Mandalorian Season 3 Was Important... (Also Very Clunky)
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The third season of the Mandalorian is going be divisive amongst Star Wars fans, because lets be honest there's no franchise that has a more passionate fanbase. I actually believe despite the problems with pacing and occasionally cheesy dialogue (which have always been apart of star wars) the message behind the third season is extremely important.
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Meh 😑
A great way to summon up Bo and the Mandalorian's is that poem by Tennyson. To barrow from B5 again, 'Though we are not now of that strength, Which in old days moved earth and heaven, That which we are, we are. One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, But strong in will, To strive, to seek, To find and not to yield.'
I'm sorry, but when did "god awful" become "very clunky?" I realize you have a Star Wars themed YT channel, but at some point, bad TV is just bad TV. This season was undeniably bad. Not just for Star Wars, but TV in general.
@@TK199999 wow, thanks for that Tennyson! another significant line just before that is:
" Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world."
I just feel it's wrong to not make your own lightsaber. It would be neat if there were kits with essential bits but required that you find some things on your own.
My favourite moment of the series, was when Din and Bo went to bathe in holy Mandalorian water and Din went underwater. She didn't even blink. She just jumped right after him. She really is Din's friend and her chemistry towards Mando was in my opinion super natural and well acted, you could pick crystallised respect out of thin air when these two were together. She even respected that Dark Sabre should be Din's, until he rightfully gave it back to her. Best team in entire show.
They’ve also ALWAYS had very different purposes in life. Bo-Katan found her purpose in the protection and unity of her people back in The Clone Wars. Djarin found his purpose in protecting this child and growing into his humanity in the first season of the show. That’s what made the appearance of these characters like Bo-Katan, Ahsoka, Luke, and even Boba Fett so impactful. There is this galaxy spanning loom of fate spinning with these legendary figures weaving in and out of it, and at the very edge there is a father and a son borderline oblivious to the gravity of it all, just trying to survive, do what’s right, and find some kind of peace.
@@uhwaykin This is what i liked about Mandalorian. Moving legendary figures to the second plane, and experiencing them as Mando, almost like for a first time. I got really tired of Jedi being the bread and butter of Star Wars. Mandalorian, Bobba and Anor gave focus to what is going on in the background, (real talk, with a real folk ;) and added depth to already rich lore. Almost shrouding Jedi in a fog of mystique. The idea of force users not jumping at you from the screen every 10 seconds with a new and more ridiculous force power, flashing laser swords left and right is very refreshing. Jedi/ Sith is a dish best served sporadically and in meaningful way.
Yeah natural chemistry when she was coming back out to tell him to piss off permanently the second time the ship came back or when she met him originally and made fun of him for being in a cult...bo-katan was there to make Din and the rest of the mandalorians look inept and needing rescuing repeatedly just to get to her getting the darks error back and being the leader,even tho they wrote her as uninterested in anything after doing what no member of deathwatch would do and that is surrender....they wanted her to rule just by having the dark saber she could never win even tho she turned her back on that whole supposed absolute rule when maul won it...then they give it to her and she forgets she has it most the timeit just so they can kill off Paz Vizla and then easily destroy it forgetting it was made of beskar...every interaction between those 2 was forced for plots sake
They should have banged.
@@claybirdgod Did you have a hate boner for Bo-Katan in season 2 or are you hopped up on reactionary star wars fan gossip and suddenly view her as the evil Kathleen Kennedy self-insert that's ruining your star wars?
Clone Wars season 3 was fairly clunky too if I remember. It also doesn’t help that Boba Fett was all over the place, Andor was a smash hit, and I really do think they tried to shove Rangers of the New Republic into Mando. Season 4 and maybe 5 we’re going to see all those random storylines make sense.
Which makes me sad that Bad Batch, which has been consistently good season to season (with some filler that csn be a little clunky, but overall fantastic series) is only getting one more season
@@scottnoseworthy975 kind of like Rebels. Received a lot of hate because of clone wars being cancelled and the animation was very wonky. But rewatching with Ahsoka coming up, it’s a solid show. Hell, even Resistance once completed ended up being OK.
Since BB had the nerve to, as of right now, kill of Tech, season 3 will be solid. Clone Wars wasn’t always a smash hit every episode either, but overall, a masterpiece.
I think part of the challenge with Clone Wars is that it’s not currently ordered chronologically. I’ve been rewatching it and I come across episodes that were meant to happen before others.
Andor should have been a smash hit, but was not. I think more people are discovering it, but a lot of eyes stayed off it in the beginning-to their loss.
Andor was a smash hit COPIUM
Bo Katan has the narrative thrust for this season, for sure. But you know who was beside her the entire time, and was actually the source of character growth? It was always Din Djarin. Even if Bo became the face of season 3, Din was still the core of the season.
Bo was left in a state of depression. Din came along lifted her out of it, gave her a place to call home, and then through that gave her a reason to keep fighting for what she believed in. And every step of that Journey for her Din was right there to support her.
I always laughed at people saying Din did nothing with the darksaber, so why did he ever have it.
Din having the darksaber enabled Bo-Katan to not only fall from her throne and station, but climb back up to that point on her own.
The dynamic at play, is something I love seeing in storytelling.
The “hero” isn’t the one to actually fix the problems and save the day… but merely the initial spark, supporting hand, and enabler to bring the fires to bear against the problems.
Din is the protagonist. But his role is not to save the world. He is the spark, that ignited the flames that forged a new era, through the hands of others who carried the strength to do so.
He is not the savior, he is the one who pushed the real heroes to get up and move.
@@twowheelcrusader8234 Exactly. The more people shoved around the tvtropes page of Reluctant hero, the more I was glad they didn't go the easy and predictable route of that. They had Din causing great things because he was present and let others do what they needed to do.
@@daefaron Yes but the show is about Din not Bo, That is why people say this. We're introduced as Mando as the main character, of course people think he SHOULD HAVE done SOMETHING with it HIMSELF. I mean it's only logical to expect this feeling from the fans lol. This isn't the "Bo Show", The critique is written into the third season, not like they're just making up the criticisms.
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 Yes, but what he did with it was help unite the two groups, not become mandalore.
Just because he had it didn't mean he had to become the king, and fans got too stuck on that singular idea. I never viewed him as becoming king based on his literal on screen showings.
I’m starting to notice a thread possibility in this season which, if I’m right, is a very gutsy and possibly genius story telling move on Fav-loni’s part, especially going forward.
They could use the Dins as our view into major Galactic events from the viewpoint, not of the “main” character (Bo, Ahsoka, the Skywalkers, etc.) but rather from the eyes of a pair of extremely competent “support” characters who come in, help the “heroes” resolve their conflict, and then ride off into the sunset and the next adventure.
That way they can “cross paths” with, say, Sabine or Boba, or even Po or Ray, help them, and move on.
In season four of “their” show I can see them taking various missions that lead to them uncovering information leading up to the Thrawn movie. They will also come across things needed for their own growth like a Holicron for Grogu’s training as an example.
The possibilities are endless.
This does make sense.
As Filonis involvement suggests going to that Lucas style concept of the main characters are not the "heroes" they're just side characters in someone else's story watching the events unfold, ala c3po
This is actually a well known story telling technique. In the first Star Wars film we were experiencing a brand new world through Luke’s eyes. By the time we get to Mando we have longtime casual Star Wars fans who know about Boba Fett and deeper fans who’ve seen everything including the animated stuff.
It was necessary to write the story in a way that allowed it to introduce casual fans into a deeper lore without alienating them, hence the covet of hidden Mandalorians who had little contact with the rest of Mandalorian society, and the main character of Din Djarin who is our narrator, who knows basically nothing about Mandalore’s history. We get told that story as he learns it.
Yes, well said. Love that we’re back to the lone cowboy theme.
don't forget the droids. R2-D2; IG-11; R-5, I don't know if "the droid network" is going to be cannon. I hope it is; but you're right. the two Dins can (and should ) be used to weave the stories together. I just have this image: the house on Navvaro ; and two young Jedi coming up; after the sequel trilogy; to see 'a master Jedi" . Only to be told by IG-11; "there are no Jedi on Navvaro"
the lucky luke story line.. ;)
As always, your commentary is on point and shows your maturity. Ignore the naysayers and never stop evaluating shows that are your passion.
An elegantly put and strong message Alan. Fans may have our differences of taste in Star Wars media but we are all fans nonetheless. The franchise has come a long way since generations ago and we can continue to celebrate it bringing us together!
In today’s world we need more bringing together like Star Wars! Good job Alan thank you for your insight.
Dude, you've gone from my favorite informational Star Wars show to a really wonderful Star Wars philosophy show. I'm here for it.
I liked that season 3 was about the Mandalorians being stronger together and actually coming together. They came together largely because people kept on doing the right thing like rescuing children. I think one of the problems with this season were all the theories and anticipation for things that just never intended and may have even undermined they story arc. Sometimes simple stories with hope is the way to go.
I'm probably in the minority who has season 3 as their favourite season but I truly love Mandalore, the history of it, it's inhabitants, and how insanely developed the lore behind it is. I know that Legends and Canon differ greatly, especially in the future of Mandalore post-ROTJ, but I enjoy both "timelines" and I'm very excited to see how Bo-Katan will rebuild Mandalore!
You're not alone!! I love season 3 :)
Me too
Same
I loved it as well
Bo Katan has consistently been a favorite part of this show for me. For a bit, I wished this was actually her show -- kind of like Crosshair in The Bad Batch. Her story is one of the most powerful character growths told in the universe yet.
Speaking of biases, I think mine comes from Andor and shows like it, where the depth of character is much more efficiently expressed. I was able to understand the stakes and care about pretty much all of these brand new characters (with just a few exceptions) incredibly quickly. With Bo, it takes more time. I don't think I would have cared nearly as much if not for her Clone Wars and Rebels arcs.
My favorite part of the season was episode 2, the part where Bo talk about her father and how he died. Din stops and says this is the was was so powerful for me. She comes out ready to fight from her castle and sees a grogu needs help, without hesitation goes to help, Din falls in the water, without hesitation she jumps in to help. When she saved Din willfully giving back the dark Saber. wielding it with ease, letting you know she isn't conflicted. Episode 2 was awesome. That's why the rest hurt because it took away from how I felt after that one
I can appreciate you feeling this way. But I hope you can understand you can't build a story that structures itself on that type of feeling alone. I really loved this season for the journey that it was and how things wrapped up. It's understandable to not feel the same rush and be disappointed by it.
I agree with you. There were distractions in Season 3, but it was clear in the Boba Fett episode with the Armorer that the Season 3 was about Mandalorians overcoming their devisions in order to retake Mandalore. This story was embodied in Bo-Katan overcoming her irreverence to the core principles of the Creed, that moment when she says that her father was 'a great man', and she stops thinking of Din as some zealot when he honors her father and then does it again when he takes the Creed. Katee Sackhoff has Bo-Katan swelling with reverence for what it means to be Mandalorian. Yet she continues to be pompous and entitled. Her redemption, or the reversing the curse, was not rushed in one episode. I particularly like the scene with the Ugnaughts, when she announces herself basically as the Princess and is completely ignored. Din then has to teach her a lesson in how to respect other cultures. Paz Vizsla then teaches her a lesson in selflessness. After she saves Din Djarin over and over again over the last two season, it is the littlest among them, little Grogu who saves her life; it was not her shield that saved them. Takes a lot to humble Bo-Katan. Thanks for your post.
Even during the final fight Bo Katan shows that she is not invincible because Moff Gideon defeats her, it is only after Din, Bo, and Grogu come together that they are able to defeat him.
I agree with your assessment of Bo-Katan. My favorite part of this season has been watching her grow as a leader. I also believe that the dark saber being destroyed is the best thing that could have happened to the Mandalorians. Having the ruler of a planet being the person who could fight better is not a sustainable way to choose a leader. I've met people in my life that were amazing in a fight, but otherwise very nasty people. Bo is a true leader, she doesn't try to change people, she works with them for the greater goal. The Armorer understood what was needed to bring the groups together and did a brilliant job of communicating that to Bo. Working together with Bo, the Armorer helped restore the Mandalorians. There are a lot of people on the internet that wanted Din to be the ruler of Mandalore, but he had no desire for that. Designating a person to be in charge who actively doesn't want to do it can be devastating. Yes, this season was clunky. But it also told a great story of Bo-Katan and true leadership, and the winning back of Mandalore through her leadership. This is the way.
This is the way
This is the way.
Bo has probably had as much growth as Luke Skywalker!!
Wow, this is the commentary the fandom needs right now. Alan always bringing his A game to the table.
Alan (hope I spelled it correctly), what a wonderfully written video essay, probably 1 of my favorite of yours. I do agree with your assessment of Bo-Katan's character arc, and she - an imperfect, but yet totally human character, perfectly played by Katee Sackhoff both in animation & now in live-action, is actually my favorite part of season 3. And love your eye-opening insight into the Star Wars fandom, comparison with the mandalorian factions, and the humanity in everyone. I think you should change your closing statement to "remember my allegiance is to the republic, to democracy, & most of all, to humanity", because I think you have the mind of a humanitarian.
I can only agree with you in all you have written, with the exception of Alan (it's Allen, apparently) all else is bang-on. Allen is the very best at dissecting these episodes and seeing the humanity in others.
I loved the whole season, but I am a fanboy and already know all of the lore in CW and rebels. Loved the family din, bo and gogurt are.
I feel season 3 was made since they were unsure if there would be a season 4, but also setting up things for a season 4 and 5 , id rate it a 7 out of 10 it still has it moments but defently feels like its a season setting up new arcs new stories and finishing the main one we have had over 2 seasons. Bo-katan is one of the best characters in Star wars played brilliantly by Starbuck.
I love the power dynamic between bo-katan and din djarin they work as great leaders cause no leader can lead alone.
Allen, thank you for always putting real life lessons into view from the lense of Star Wars. It is truly beautiful
2:32 I guess you could say the curved hilt has a… learning curve
😂
@@GenerationTech lol 😆
There are few YT hosts that I truly respect and Alan, you are at the top of the list. Your videos are intelligent, insightful, and thought provoking without being preachy or overbearing. You've challenged me on several issues and while I didn't always agree, I always felt like there was respect. Truly outstanding.
No pants reviews, thoughts, and discussions are the best! Thanks for a great season of breakdowns and thoughts! Looking forward to more!
Something about you covering these real topics during this season really resonate with me as a man maturing into my middle 20's. It's something that I have learned to see in the world around me during these years of my life. Thank you.
As long as you have strong connections and take compassion into every new encounter I feel you'll come out on the other side all the better. This is the way
This season has been such an intriguing parallel to the current fan community. A lot of the same problematic viewpoints are in the story. The Children of the Watch are dogmatic and recluse. The Nite Owls are xenophobic and dress uniformly. Neither are accepting of those they consider to be “outsiders”. You can see different factions of fandom in both of them, yet we seem to be wiser about them than we are about ourselves.
I enjoyed season three, especially after watching them in one binge. The formula was the same as previous seasons with an overarching quest of mandalorians are stronger together with a different quest for each episode. In seasons one and two, Din was continually doing something for others to get what he was looking for, whether it be Boba Fetts armor or the location of other Mandalorians. The Jack Black Lizzie episode was necessary for Din and Bo learn about each other and to work together instead of just fighting off enemies. I think one of the reasons season three was not as popular is viewer and critic expectatios. There was so much to tie together to get to the culmination of the retaking of Mandalore, but viewers expected it to take most of the season for Din Jarin to be redeemed in the living waters. Instead, Din teamed up with Bo and brought her to his covert where she was accepted. And then there was the when is Thrawn going to show up expectation. It is like Gideon was suddenly relegated to minon in viewer expectations, instead of remembering he had a plan and some end goal relating to Grogos blood all along.
There was growth and change in multiple character arcs, including both Mandalorians groups. TheArmorer has even relaxed her beliefs for the sake of all Mandalorians, accepting that the sighting of the mythasaur is heralding in a new age, which means re-evaluating and possibly changing or updating your beliefs. She took the ill refugee Mandalorians to the fleet where they could get better medical, and they were not even part of her sect. The Armorer also did not include the keep the helmet on part of the creed in the ceremony, and the helmeted and not helmeted Mandalorians are standing mixed instead of in 2 groups at the forge lighting.
The Mandalorian is an escape from our day to day life, and it definitely entertains. The hero vs villain plot line leads us to speculate on who is actually the villain in each episode. Is it Bo, the Armorer, Elia Kane, Ax, the other group of Mandalorians?
I enjoy your thought provoking posts. Thanks for sharing!
I'm looking forward to doing this tomorrow - watching the season in one gulp. I watched each ep at least twice and a couple three times but the complete season watch is Always the best.
I’ve had friends rag on this season, especially people that were annoyed Mando kept his helmet on. I’ve been saying a version of what you talked about: that this season is about coming together, despite our differences.
It would have been better if Din had taken his helmet off in the final scene at their Nevarro cabin, and that might have been an option if Pablo Pascal had been available. They could have pasted his face over the guy in the armor, but it must have seemed the wrong moment to Favreau. Now that Din Djarin and Grogu are formally family, they should be able to go helmetless around each other. I would have loved to see Pablo with a smile on his face watching Grogu play. Thanks for your post.
The way Bo-Katan is portrayed here actually reminds me a lot of old interviews with Queen Elizabeth II from soon after she took the throne. The stoicism is not masculine, rather it is noble in the best sense of the word. It is rising to the occasion, and doing what is expected of you, even when you would rather be doing something completely different.
Shame that they didn't bring Temuerra Morrison to reprise as Boba Fett in The Mandalorian Season 3 and get involved in helping reclaim Mandalore.
Not sitting around in Tatooine teaching Sand People how to ride a Bantha.
To be fair, fett said he didn’t care for mandalore and unless someone told him that mando was in danger, he wouldn’t come running
Eh I’d rather see him become a new benevolent crime lord who’ll bring order to the underworld (at least I hope that’s what they’re doing with him). He doesn’t need to be on Mandalore imo
Arent clones not considered Mandalorians by Mandalorians? Technically clones are Mandalorians due to being created from Jango Fett, but Mandos always didnt see them as such. We see this playout in the Clone Wars series. Im glad Boba didnt come to save the day, it wasnt his fight. But now the Mandalore arch is over, meaning we will go to a New Republic arch with Dinn Djarin being a bounty hunter in that world. We will see more connections to Thrawn making season 3 be a great season that setup Dinn Djarin and Grogu's next chapter. We might even see Boba team up with Djarin. Im excited with Season 4 cause season 3 already had created the backstory of Mandalorian and Ahsoka to connect that we will see in possible future crossovers.
At one point i had thought that Boba Fett would make an offer to the Mandalorians, similar to the one Greef Karga gave them. Then they'd set up on tatooine and usea Boba's palace as a base of operations
@@Colombiarican31 doesn't really matter due to the plot of season 3 which is to bring the Mandalorians together regardless of whether you consider them a Mandalorian or not. IMO if Boba was told that Din needed his help he definitely would've gone to help and it has to do with the conversation Din and Boba had before they fought the pikes in the BOBF finale.
I absolutely love how you bring Star Wars, fandom and societal challenges together into a wholesome message.
Another great video! I enjoyed Season 3 very much despite some flaws, watching the dynamic dual of Bo-Katan and Din was a real treat.
Bo Katan is a FAR better character than Rey. Mostly because of how flawed and checkered of a life she's lived. It's the tenacity she's shown in spite of her failures, mistakes and flaws that makes her one of the Top 10 characters for me tbh.
She rebelled against and overthrew her own sister by fighting alongside a Warband of Mandalorian Terrorists, who in spite of how morally bankrupt and radical they were, genuinely believed that Satine's mandate of pacifism was making the Mandalorians to weak for their own good. A chapter in her life which probably haunts her now after having the time to reflect upon her days as a youth during Deathwatch's reign of terror.
In spite of all that, she managed to turn herself around from that and would go on to become the leader that her people needed in such a turbulent time in Mandalorian History during the Imperial Era. A leader who in spite of her flaws and how massively she has failed her people time and time again, she never gave up at trying her best for her people. A quality I respect her for.
Bo is flawed complicated And has regrets. That what makes her so perfect
@@bluejedi723 Not perfect. Compelling.
@@MrJakeros she's broken. Complicated. Has a past. Done good things, done bad things. Has Regrets. Shame. Desperate to make things right. That is what makes her so compelling..and such a good character.
This is why I subscribe to this guy and not the haters because stories have to grow and bloom into something you’ve never expected
Beautifully said Allen. Not only did the mandate finale bring a tear to my eye but your elegant words have done so as well with even greater effect. To anyone who takes the time to read this, you are not alone, we are one entity compartmentalized and I love you.
Alan, your thoughtful perspective and fair, active listening approach to dialog is a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your hard work.
I have zero problems with Bo Katan. I just wanted another season of Din Jarin and Grogu. Instead of that, we had a lot screen time about Bo Katan. I feel like it was imagined as a spin-off and they decided to put it as part of season 3.
If they used the content of Boba Fett as part os season 3, everything would be better. Less screen time for Bo Katan, more adventures of Din Jarin and Grogu. Same explanarion on the main series of how Din Jarin and Grogu got back together. It would be a Win-Win.
One thing i really appreciate about your content is that you always use the star wars universe to pass to your audience valuable lessons about real life itself! That does not only make your content far more exciting and educational but it also gives more depth to the star wars universe itself !! Keep up the great work
Honestly through watching the videos about season 3 and reading comment I have never encountered anyone disliking Bo as a character. People often complain how she "took the show" from Din but it's more of a criticism aimed at showrunners. Even Ahsoka gets more unjustified hate. So yeah, that group gotta be really small.
I'm a biological woman and I truly appreciate you speaking about toxic feminism/hate towards men. We need each other to thrive! We all have some form of trauma and none of it is a good enough reason to hate the opposite sex.
This just goes to prove why you have always been my favourite star wars channel. Our thoughts and beliefs have always lined up nearly perfectly. Down to star wars (despite star wars being my life) not being some masterpiece in any way, and we should stop taking it as seriously as such. Please do keep it up my man, with or without pants i'll keep watching every video, as i have done for the last 3 years
This might be one of my favorite uploads from you guys tbh. Dope commentary
Alan, you are by far my favorite Star Wars UA-camr. Thank you for all you do.
I like how it wasn't until Bo Katan failed so much she didn't want the Saber, that she was given the responsibility to take it. I also like the relationship the armorer has with her.
Bro as a former SWT subscriber I cannot emphasize how much I appreciate your nuanced, in depth takes on such complex stories. I've followed Bo Katan since the Clone Wars but this video helped me put it all together and really appreciate her story!
Hi Allen! I've been following Geetslys, and EckhartsLadder since I my deployment. I'm glad I've been following you guys over the years.
I do want to add I really enjoy the amount of growth we have seen in Bo Katan over the years. I just try to keep my critique fair.
Really excellent, thoughtful points raised here. Bo Katan has a huge backstory compared to Din Djarin and Grogu. There's a timeline established and she is the live action embodiment of that [tho not really accurate age-wise]. Her growth reflects the growth to be of Mandalore. The Armorer has given lessons, interpreted events she may or may not have been on site for, and not only shaped the CotW but held them together against the odds. Part of her must be exhausted, another part exhilarated to see the new age arriving. The efforts these two characters made to expand their own horizons must have been awesome but alas, it was all off screen and I admit, I resent that, greatly.
That's MY biggest complaint with this season. In Season 1&2, we saw Din Djarin and Grogu confronting moments that changed them, advanced their understanding, healed a few of their aches and fears. IF this season had say, 10 extra minutes an episode, we might have seen the Armorer and Bo Katan interactions - not to mention Din Djarin and either, or Paz Visla and any others, or any Night Owl and anyone! To have those type of moments so Season 3 wouldn't feel so much a cast of extras tossed in overwriting the "main characters" of this show. The creators and writers surely saw / felt the Frustration of Mando, Luke & Grogu "stealing" Boba Fett; to do this again in the neglect of character moments was an error they didn't have to make. IMHO it is why the marketing rumors of who is the other spy made such a hash of it all. It simply wasn't Obvious Enough for the average viewer watching and nibbling snacks with friends or on the sly on their phone during their lunch break that the 'other spy' was the small group returning to Mandalore and discovering not only survivors but Imps. That is clunky writing, not gullible to controversy fans, IMO.
Life IS busy. Shorter episodes make sense in the I've only got 41:21 to spare lives that we lead. BUT that means the pacing and moments and writing must be perfect. We *know* the creators and writers can do this, we've seen that. Season 3 missed the mark. But, in the larger scheme of the Galaxy, far, far away, it's one season, out of hopefully many. It will be a footnote attached to the overall groovy content you can't wait to recommend to a friend, or fifty.
Wow what an amazing take on this subject 😃, I LOVE Bo because a simple fact which is that she is not perfect, I have seen her journey from the TCW and I love how she still has flows even after so much experience, this is the female character I would love to see more of in SW, she is the opposite of everything which is wrong with Rey character from the sequels! , btw this channel is a true force for good in the SW community, well done to all those who put the effort to make those videos ☺
Your content really is always refreshing to watch. I really appreciate your perspective and it makes a lot of the opinions I have about Star Wars currently feel a lot more valid.
I love your outlook/ There is room for everyone at this table. There is so much to offer, and so much to enjoy sharing. There is nothing I like more than to sit with a friend and see their eyes when Vader and Kenobi duel for the last time who hadn't seen it yet. Those moments of sharing a passion for something and being able to enjoy it openly are truly one of the great things in life. BRING ON MORE STAR WARS!
Great episode and good message.
Honestly, I wished they didn't make Moff Gideon the main antagonist of this season and instead, they should have focused on uniting the tribes this season and at the beginning of season 4, they could have introduced Thrawn’s protege and criminal overlord Tyber Zann as the one who has taken over Mandalore.
This could have led to a whole season as the united Mandalorian people led by a proper Mandalore for the first time in hundreds of years fought a small war against Tyber Zann and his criminal consortium headquartered in Satine’s old palace.
I feel like Gideon should have been placed in a series like rangers of the republic. He just felt like he was haphazardly stapled back to the show.
@@kanekikingstorm2113 Same. He just feels a lot less like someone who should be fighting mano-e-mano in Beskar armor like he’s Ironman and more like the spider in the center of a web where he can manipulate to his heart’s content as he gets others to fight his battles for him.
Kind of like how Allied special forces hunted down top Nazi officials after WW2.
Alan, I was subscribed to many Star Wars lore channels at one point but I reduced my subscriptions and decided to just keep your channel because I absolutely love you combine talking about the lore to relevant world events, morality, and philosophy in general. I have written down many quotes you have said because I found what you said to be very profound. Love your videos.
Great takes - really enjoy your insightful, balanced discussions around Star Wars.
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The one thing that struck me this season is how Bo Katan's story arc was the most interesting.
I feel like her uniting the tribes (just two) and returning to Mandalore was the more interesting story.
I wish they had done a Bo show, and had Mando (who is bounty hunting with Grogu) show up in it.
There were some good ideas this season. Some bad ones. All interconnected by disjointed storytelling.
Let's hope for better in season 4.
I find the idea that season 3 is clunky very funny to me. Honestly in my opinion season 3 is the first one that is NOT clunky compared to one and two. And don’t get me wrong I like seasons 1 and 2. But this felt much more concise and to the point we have all of these characters finally coming together for a cause and it’s building into the sequel trilogy. There was significantly less filler and way more main story. The story was ALWAYS going to have Bo Katan be more important, and that’s exactly how it should be. In fact I think all of the characters are where I want them going forward. This season did almost everything I wanted. My only complaint was that one boring ass section on Coruscant in episode 3 because MAN was that a stinker.
Ryan, you are honesty one of the wisest people I have ever heard talk on this platform, especially pertaining to Star Wars. Your commentary is absolutely spot on and provides such an incredible perspective and insight on ourselves, the world, and the people around us. I truly wish more people could come to see and examine the world as you do. In times with so much division and hatred, the way you analyze Star Wars, of all things, shows that despite what everyone says, humanity isn’t doomed just yet. Keep up amazing work brother. This is the way.
Another mighty rewatchable essay. Thank you.
I thought this season was great! I feel like the series itself had some growing pains in the third season and i think when the Mandalorian is all over, the third season will be like a bridge in the story telling to move everything from point A to point B
fantastically said. I have to agree while i saw everyone disliking episodes this season that i saw as fun or having relevent messages even if a bit clunky at times. I still saw them as good episodes overall and the season as a whole brought us some fantastic would building along with a very well constructed mirror to look back on ourselves with. All done very tastefully and not to on the nose and while making sense in universe. This season is much better than most seem to think and I think might just age better as we go back and rewatch it.
I always enjoy your insights. I often find the hyper-critical reviews of others who don't have to budget, cast, and produce these shows to be tedious. I respect that the show creators have a place they wish to take us and they do it in their own way and at their own pace.
I find it very cool to see you start making your videos much more philosophical and connected to the real world. In a way that not many other star wars channels would dare do
I think the biggest issue with bo katan, or this season overall, is that there is no one who really questions Bo-katan. Someone who challenges her right to rule, it doesn't need to be in a conflict sense, but in a character sense, someone who brings question to her time in death watch, someone who questions if she truely learned from those mistakes. If we had a character like that, I think it would be overall better but the show seemed to be struggling on time, and giving every character screen time
This was one of your best videos, no cap.
I was just about to check your channel for vids and you delivered 😂😂
Amazing perspective......which I also share ....it gets tiring arguing with all different fans of our beloved franchise which I have a long 46 year relationship with...its videos like this that make you my favorite when it comes star wars videos.....thank you Allen
Spot on with this one. I don't think any fan has had a problem with the strong female lead. There are plenty of popular examples throughout movies and games. What we are seeing is a strong reaction (over reaction?) to the un-deserving characters being forced down our throats based specifially on gender. (looking at you, Rey) But Boka Tan is actually a very well fleshed out character with a long history of failures and succeses. She is one of my favorite Star Wars characters, unfortunately she gets lost in the whole "Force is Female" conflict. It's one of the biggest problems I have with the current Lucasfilm leadership. They seem intent on splitting the fandom. And we are falling for it.
It’s literally full of fans who have problem with all women are not the typical sexy damsel in distress and who loathe anything approaching a strong female lead . But the thing is that they are a minority , a very loud and very revolting minority so they shouldn’t be mistaken for representing the normal fandom
@@rexlevitak1 I have no disagreement that sex appeal has been a component for the popularity of many characters. But there have long been many popular female characters in many franchises who’s characters where not based on sexuality. There has never been any major fan rejection of them. You said the fandom is “full of fans” who have this “revolting” problem. But then you say they are a loud minority. Seem contradictory. No, I think that when the creators attempt to push strong female leads like it’s new thing and people feel preached to as if they are guilty of something they are not; It adds to the toxic splitting of the fandom. Especially with established franchises. I do agree with you that normal fans do not have a problem with well written, strong and interesting female characters. Im fact let’s just have more good characters that are not given more or less value because they have an immutable trait.
Boka Tan
Sadly, Star Wars is a franchise that easily attracts those who only want to revel in negativity. Most of the people who are doing nothing but complaining are typically people who don't even consume that much SW content. Not saying that negative reactions and criticisms aren't warranted. But for the longest time, people just like flocking to SW to just stir up all the negative thoughts. Which makes it all the more difficult for the rest of us to just enjoy good content when we get it.
Thank you.
Did you have to mention Tech? Still hurts 😢
Thank you for this! I appreciate your work to bridge the divide and provide much needed context into our beautiful fandom ❤️
Personally I loved the third season. Bo Katan was a character I hated but, grew to love as you she learned and changed. My favorite scene from her was when Din said his creed to her because to me it was her first real big success. She got her clan back because she had the dark saber, she got the children of the watch because the Armoror pushed her, but she got Din's friendship due to her character. Loved it.
Season 3 was a perfect example of 10 lbs of sh..stuff in a 5 lb bag. There just was not time to have things smoothly move from one to the other, there were events that were never setup, setups for events that never happened. It just felt awkward. It almost felt like one of those AI written stories that reads like a shopping list.
It just felt weird, like they were building on mando to grow, like he would beat and accept his fears and wield the saber.
They just went full speed in the whole different direction by now focusing on Bo katan. Like Filoni just wanted to "revive" his characters at thr expense of the show.
It's almost like all those episodes written by Favero were actually ghost-written by a bunch of people who didn't talk to each other.
You do realize that Din Jarin is his character as well, right?
I really like your content because you actively try to view the stories as they come without biases.
The one part I appreciate from this season is world building the New Republic
I think Bokatan was a little weak when they first introduced her (in the mandalorian) but I think that was mostly the actress getting used to playing her. Definitely a much more interesting character now that she's had a couple seasons to build herself up. The dynamic between her and Dinn in particular is something I think will really shine as the seasons continue.
Considering that Katee Sackhoff (Bo's actress) was also the one that voiced her in TCW and Rebels, it is difficult to translate a character like Bo from animation to live action, it just brings up questions like: "How does she move? What's her face doing when she talks/listens?" and so on...
Season 2 of Mando wasn't Sackhoff's first rodeo as Bo, she voiced her in TCW and Rebels many years ago.
ITA switching from all characterization having to be through your Voice to the physical evolution of characterization must be a funky & fun transition. I think she [the actress] has grown in to her character and the challenging difference in this format. I kinda wonder if Pedro will face that same transition [& fan fuss] IF the helmet comes off more in the next seasons. His voice carries so much of the character up to this point; it might be a distraction to have his expressions & growth in to that before us at first.
@@unclebozo9845That doesn't mean she was instantly able to act the part of Bo Katan in live action seamlessly. Voice Acting divides the voice from the rest of the body, meaning VAs don't have to care about facial expressions, posture, and movements of their limbs and so they don't think about it. Instead, everything goes into the tone, inflections, and other parts of the voice to make it as immersive as possible.
Now, all of the sudden, you have to add in everything else without a baseline animation showing what your lines are for, or how the character will be moving. That's a real challenge for anyone who goes from voice acting a character to playing said character in live action. She was pulled in not because she was the best actress for the job, but because she has been in the role for a long time. Not that this makes her a worse choice, but it does explain why it takes a while for Bo Katan to feel more alive with her actions. Just look at her introduction in season 2 to her final scene in season 3 and you can see extravagant improvement on the actress's part.
I wouldn't say weak, more like reserved and cautions which makes sense. As her and Din relationships went on and stuff happened she became more open to the world and different people.
Always love seeing your perspective it gives you something to think about
I’m glad you’re feeling better Alan, and that was a great character analysis of Bo Katan, you are a lingual poet and a wise man, the Force will remain with you.
I won't be surprised if Season 4 would start with either the Nite Owls leave Bo-Katan again because she lost the Darksaber but this time permanently.
Or Bo-Katan trying to tame Mythosaurus and make it the new symbol of Mandalore.
i think it should be about the mythasaur. it was hinted this season
Season 4 closing:
Grogu rides the mythosaur with a lightsaber built with the kyber crystal from the now broken darksaber.
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Good vid Al. Ture reflection on ones own bias is often difficult. The Hate that female and minority characters still have to face in this day in age is still shocking to me at times. We must talk about it more and without judgement. Those who have suffered at the hands of the opposite gender are just sounding an alarm to others in a way that looks toxic to everyone else. We scorn those individuals/groups when they are the people that need the most support likely.
Very true, and I can attest personally. I grew up with a narcissistic mother who seemingly enjoyed hurting the men in her life, my father, my two older brothers, and myself were all victims of her abuse many many times to the point where it just seemed normal, and I carried that belief that it was normal into adult hood. Took me about 29 years before I figured out why I had such a bias against women, so little trust in women, etc. Of course too many bad relationships where you get cheated on, etc, don't help heal that wound. Unfortunately in my experience, whenever a man voiced his feelings on this matter it was met with scorn, mockery, and just the usual insults too. Which obviously doesn't help either. I'm glad at least that it's becoming more normal to talk about this subject, when I was young it was still abnormal to seek therapy
My name is Matt. Good work mate, your clips continue to inform and inspire in equal measure.
Have a good day matt
This video along with the one you did on "Why fans hate these characters" is why I keep watching your channel.
Quite a few other creators have gone down the micro criticize route.
It's almost like a star wars versuon of the weird Nickleback hate.
Good Job Alan and crew.
While I think Bo had too much attention this season (it was basically her show after Din took a bath), I do overall like her. She's a good character, and I admire how she perseveres.
I think the fact that Djarin was more of a second protagonist this season plays more into his archetype of the Gunslinger/Ronin. He came into town, found a situation in need of addressing, found the person/people who needed help in addressing said situation and moved along to the next town leaving this one a little bit better. This felt very much like that.
Please stop with the strong female characters trop for dismissing bad writing .
The Alien series
The Terminator series
There are a million good stories with good strong female lead characters, it is no excuse for shit writing
i love that the people that start the cry of "for mandalore" are her sergeants finally seeing there captain achieve her goal
the best star wars commentary channel on youtube. love your philosophical views.
My main issue with this season was the scientist ep that went nowhere.
They wasted an entire episode on something barely even worthy of a throwaway line.
They really need to look at how they connect episodes like that to the show they're a part of.
I think we need to remember that this show is connected to other shows. We're only beginning to really understand the new republic which wasn't fleshed out by the sequel trilogy at all. But I'm sure in the coming shows like Ashoka we'll learn a lot more about them and how incompetent they are to withstand Thrawn.
@@GenerationTech But they have to realise that not everyone is going to watch every show. So if I only watch Mandalorian, that episode was a complete waste.
Maybe they could do some sort of anthology series for these small stories that don't really go anywhere except to grow the world.
Loved this season of the MANDALORIAN
I WANT MORE 😮
I appreciate you putting on pants. I also appreciate your take very much. I was moved by your breakdown on how The Mando represents all the different fandoms. Like, it made me tear up. You said some things that real clicked with me about how I feel about Star Wars. Also, Congo is strong with the force. His edits are dope
Dude , very well done as always ,so many things i would love to comment on, keep up the fantastic work big fella and this is the way. :
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Of course Bo-Katan isn't a Mary Sue, I don't think anyone ever said she was. Her long story of growth into the woman we see in Mando has been played out through the Clone Wars show. Where she is getting grief is because they have used her to supplant Din Jarin, the main lead of the show and a man. This season she has constantly saved his life time and again when in the other two seasons he could take care of himself pretty good and didn't need help. They have used her to lever him out of his own show and make it about her now.
I think one of Din's strengths was he knew when he needed help & asked for it. From Kuiil to Cara to Greef Karga to Boba Fett & Fenic Shand to Mayfield and even Peli Motto. He was grounded in the covert but he knew, out in the galaxy, he needed back up, assistance and input/ info. That didn't make him weak then, and being part of a larger story doesn't make him weak now. It has expanded his universe and ours with a broader frame, characters, adventures and small step growth that is how we usually evolve.
On the Other Hand >g< I do agree with only 8 eps, the focus was jarring this season and it did feel like an abrupt switch from a tightly focused tale to an ensemble of extras that we barely got to know and plotting that felt incomplete or badly paced. Din's character growth and realizations mostly happened off screen and we were cheated of those moments. Even his earnest pledge to BoKatan was diminished by the 'little cabin with the frog pond' ending imho. Realistically, darn it, that's how life goes. Intense moments followed by the hum drum mend your gear, repair your transport, get some rest and try to stretch the budget to nourishment beyond beans and rice 3 times a day.
@@katiekofemug Yes, that's the part that I was commenting on, the jarring aside from focusing on Din to focusing on ensemble group. And yes, I agree, Din did ask for help if the quest was to hard for him, but in this season he boldly goes on a mission, gets caught or the crap kicked out of him but its ok, Bo-Katan is close by to save the day, lol ... and it's always Bo-Katan.
I actually really like her character and how Katee Sackhoff plays her and if this was a series about the Mandalorians retaking their planet then she would have been a great lead, but it wasn't sold to us on that premise. It was sold as a western style gunslinger coming into town to take care of business, as a bounty hunter going on missions and that was a very cool premise. Now its the 'The Mando Family and Friends Show', lol:)
@@ukmediawarrior Side Quests Season didn't exactly suck, but it's not the shining moment either, ITA. I'm hopeful for Season 4, but 2 long years to get there, with this not pleasant taste in our mouths, won't generate the same excitement / anticipation we greeted this Season with. But, in the meantime, there's LOTS to talk about at least. >g
I think the problem is Bo katan feels like she's just been given everything she feels like a side character with supposed to feel anything with she hasn't really had any story only focus on her and she's feels like she's only cannibalising on other shows success she doesn't feel complete she just feels like the character that's there to fix the problems that the riders have put themself in and she does not feel satisfying both when she wins and lose
That's valid, i think they definitely could've spent more time on her character and fleshing her out instead of relying on fan knowledge from the TCW and Rebels series. But i guess filoni just expects everyone to know her background and history.
@@GenerationTech if they can make a TV series on the same quality as the Mandalorian but about bo katan that could definitely help a lot about the bad feeling people feeling
I really really appreciate you sharing these things it's very refreshing to hear people share their honest opinions.
I love your humor... And Congo sounds like a civilized individual... I love your humor!
Waxing philosophical again?
Absolutely love it.
These moments when someone rolls through something like this, packed so densely with profound messaging and heavy themes in play, laying out all the parts on the table to be seen and understood plainly in their own right.
This is an important, I would say vital, component to the experience that is Star Wars.
It can be so easy to watch at face value, and completely miss the depth at stake for everything happening.
Thank you, for this, and all the beautifully written content.
The entire team, and everyone involved.
Your work is appreciated.
And respected.
Dude you have to be one of the best Star Wars commentators out there. Your takes are always so nuanced and non-toxic and your love for Star Wars and it's lore is admirable. Keep up the great work!
this season was clearly a sort of buffer season. Honestly it felt weird to me, but a lot of potential good stuff was being set up so i will at least see where it leads before casting my final judgement.
At 14:30, "Mandos protect their children." That's why they live near a lake with a 25 ton croc and take a full day to rescue a child taken by a hungry pterodactyl.
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Great vid GenTech!
imo, this is the best SW channel on youtube right now. i keep telling the algorithm to quit suggesting all these other SW channels. they are mostly very thin in content or often, just clickbait trash. thanks!
First, I am glad to see you are feeling better. I do appreciate your videos. This season had some great moments, but also had some that were eh. The problem I have with this season is how it ended. That past 2 seasons final episodes left you like WTF! What is going to happen next? This season was like ok, did the season or series just end. Could it be that we all are aware that these characters will be back if not in another season but most likely in a new series. Regardless, I loved the season and series.
Great episode and great thoughts...I love you analysis and views...
You have a good opinion, Allen, and I love this channel.