I came to the Lord 40 years ago as a very lost, unsaved Jew in the middle of a psychotic episode... I was drawn to a neighbor because of a love I saw in her that was different than anything I had ever experienced... She introduced me to My Messiah and prayed with me to receive Him as My Savior and Lord! As I started reading the Scriptures and praying, I started understanding what a great salvation I had received,... Within a year of giving my life to Jesus, I was totally healed of a serious, chronic mental disorder... I knew that there was nothing else that I wanted to do for the rest of my life other than to love, worship and serve this awesome and loving God that I was coming to know better and better... I didn’t come to Jesus to escape hell... I came to Jesus because I was DEAD, and I was presented the GOOD NEWS that Jesus had come to give me LIFE! Still rejoicing in My Savior and Lord 40 years later!
*"I have never heard a preacher say it's ok the way you are. "* And yet millions upon millions of "Christians" believe (falsely) that they can live in open sin (i.e. in rebellion against God) and still enter the Kingdom of God. After all, didn't they pray the sinner's prayer?
@@mahlonfisher2590 Today's church has been taught that Jesus did it all. Nothing is expected of them except to _believe on Jesus._ Everybody gets a participation trophy. They might _say_ that God cares if they sin or not but they don't _live_ like they think He cares. Go to any church in America and it will be full of people who live together out of wedlock, who are divorced and remarried, who are homosexuals, who cheat people in their business dealings, etc. God says to have nothing to do with those kinds of "Christians," to not even eat with them. _I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people._ _What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”_ (I Cor. 5:9-13, NIV)
Dead Planet btw it was James who said faith without works is dead not Paul. And you calling people numskulls shows that u are in danger of judgment. According to Jesus
The unbeliever is moved to repentance by the fear of damnation; but the believer is moved to obedience be the unfathomable depth of His love, knowing that "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us," and that "we love him because he first loved us."
It says the goodness of God leads men to repentance so I can't say I agree completely. Fear of punishment isn't repentance. True repentance is godly sorrow that leads to repentance not to be repented of.
The hell worshipers need HELL because the need to use fear. Eventually all will be reconciled through Yeshua Messiah. Even the 'unbeliever' or those that practice other faiths. The hell worshipers hate this truth.
"I will never, no never, reject one of them who comes to Me." - Jesus God loves unconditionally by offering salvation to all, but only those who receive the gift of Jesus’ sacrifice will be able to know and experience that love.
Dean Dean, "And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; And to depart from evil is understanding.'" (Job 28:28) It is no longer the beginning but the entirety of Wisdom.....
Tom Foolery Actually His Word says that For God SO loved the world, that He GAVE His only begotten Son. Sounds like 🤔 God made the “warm and fuzzy love” you speak about. I think maybe you mean revere and awe of who He is but fear is not nor should it be the driving force of your relationship with Him, fear eventually fades away but His Love is eternal my friend.
Mark Sisson Correct. Calvinists who say God never loved some people are wrong too. But once someone has ultimately rejected Jesus, that love is no more. The Bible never says God loves those in hell. It says He hates the wicked just as He hates satan.
@@IAmisMaster how do you reject jesus? how? if you are covered by the blood.. sanctified made new, under the new covenant and he rose from death... and he said if you love me KEEP MY COMMANDMANTS ...again to love god, and love others as yourself...stop creating your standards of righteousness..jesus already demonstrated that..
@@richgonzales8468 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren. Proverbs 6:16-19 NKJV GOD hates sinners who He knows will never live according to His Commandments after accepting the Blood of JESUS. Read the Word by the Holy Spirit and you will see that GOD's love is exclusive, it is only in JESUS CHRIST, so those who are not living to His Commandments are not in Him and therefore are not in the love of GOD
@@richgonzales8468 Sounds like you read your Bible.... selectively. God calls us. God selects us. If we are dead in our sins then we are helpless to initiate our salvation. God does that for us. It's not the other way around. It's not about works (as you say). He saves us. Not everyone loves God. Not everyone will be saved.
What does the Spirit say? Do you have children? Could you love your children more than God loves you? No, of course not. God’s love is infinitely greater yet my love for my children is unconditional. Does that mean my child won’t suffer the consequences of their actions? Of course not! We have the opportunity to choose to listen and obey the Spirit or not. We will receive the consequences of our actions, except for those found in Christ Jesus. They are not loved more, but they have chosen humility and forgiveness.
@@vernonleewarren280 None of Gods children will ever or can ever be lost because we have been chosen in christ before the foundation of the world. This mean God has predestined His children into salvation and they WILL ALL be 100% saved!! They cant be saved, then unsaved! A baby cant go back inside a mother's womb. If we are born again we cannot be unborn again. Thus Gods love is unconditional. If Gods love is NOT unconditional then this is to say christs sacrifice isn't very secure. It's to say let me try and be good today so that God will not stop loving me. Let me work my way into His good books. We can never work our way into Christs good books, if we are truly in christ we will always be in christ. If we fall away into sin and die in our sin, we were never saved in the first place. Gods love is unconditional, it has to be otherwise no one would make it to heaven. No one would be good enough. That's why we need Christs righteousness which He imputed to us when we ate truly saved and He never takes back.
I have never heard unconditional love preached the way they talk. God accepts you as you are and loves you enough to not leave you that way. You can do nothing to earn that love.
@Collin Lutz It's unconditional towards you who have had your sins forgiven, but it's not towards Christ who had to pay for them and live a perfect life for us. In a sense God's love is conditional because he placed the conditions on himself, but because he did that it's unconditional towards us. This is the paradox of The Gospel. God has to be just and loving at the same time so he places the burden of the conditions upon himself.
I came to the Lord through suicide in my family. I saw death personally, I took it personally. I thought if that was me would God let me into heaven, then I thought of all the sins I was bringing with me to heaven. I said no way, show me the exit to hell, I have judged myself guilty. I went to the Bible for the 1st time in my life; & guess who found me? Jesus, who knew, he would come in a volume of a Book.
The way I came to Christ was when I realized I had to face Him with all my sins on judgement day. That made me tremble so hard. So then, I came to Christ begging for mercy and shortly awhile after, He showed me the most beautiful thing ever. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” Praise the Holy Spirit who first convicted me and then saved me. AMAZING LOVE JESUS!!
Same here! I got saved because I was terrified of the wrath of God, I realized I was lost and going to hell. Without that I would’ve felt justified in my sin
Same here!! I was brought face to face with my fate as I was dead in my sin. I always here that only hearing the Gospel can save and I always get fearful that I didnt repent to God in the right manner or with a heart placed in love. It makes sense to me to first hear about the fate of hell and then the Gospel....but I might be wrong... May God have mercy is all I can say. May we be granted Grace through our Saviour Jesus Christ.
due to being terrified of going to hell you chose to follow god that's not a true following and that's not truly what being saved means we should follow god because of love not fear he wants what's best for us he wants us to be free from sin we should freely chose to follow him for he is our father and our salvation and not because of an inner fear of punishment.
You should not be so afriad, you should have peace following God. Please turn from these teachers, they ard traching works and thats not peacefuL at all. Only relying on Jesus will help, only JESUS ALONE no work or ttying to keep tje law.
"God hates the sin but loves the sinner?? Just remember that God sends the sinner to hell and not the sin". That's a msg people need to hear. God hates sin & wickedness.
VredesStall so be like Paul and repent of the sin of unbelief and accept Gods unconditional love for you and receive His life by grace through faith! Sounds nearly too good to be true doesn’t it? That’s the gospel.
God does not send people to hell. Their own sin does. The generational sin committed by Adam/Eve which prevents us from being in the presence of God, which we choose to walk in and not repent from, is what sends us to hell. This whole "God sends people to hell" is not biblical theology.
Hell Does not exist because that word “Hell” did not come into existence until 725 AD. Stop lying to people. The original scriptures don’t talk about Such a place at all. That’s a fact
Jesus says to love your enemies. When Jesus was hung on the cross, he prayed to God to forgive his executioners. He also healed the ear of the soldier (Malthus) who came to capture him. He sacrificed his life for others and he called us to follow him in doing the same. God loves everyone, even the very worst of us. He didn’t call us to condemn each other, to judge each other, or to bully each other with the Bible. HE CALLED US TO BE OVERFLOWING WITH LOVE FOR EACH OTHER.
Religious Talk, “38 h“You have heard that it was said, y‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, zDo not resist the one who is evil. But aif anyone bslaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And zif anyone would sue you and take your tunic,8 let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone cforces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 dGive to the one who begs from you, and edo not refuse the one who would borrow from you. Love Your Enemies 43 f“You have heard that it was said, g‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, iLove your enemies and jpray for those who persecute you, 45 kso that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and lsends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 mFor if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers,9 what more are you doing than others? Do not even nthe Gentiles do the same? 48 oYou therefore must be pperfect, qas your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt 5:38-48 If Christians truly loved this way towards others, even towards our enemies, how different the church would be. Christians need to be known for our radical love for others.
I do have to say that we need to take God seriously though. Jesus wasn’t a permissive man. He did speak out again sin and hypocrisy. He wasn’t a coward when it came to him being afraid of getting into trouble with powerful people. He was a rebel and a radical in confronting the Pharisees and anyone else who was a sinner. He told people to repent and sin no more.
@@TonyWKoo Some sins are not just sins. When it comes to murder, rape, slavery, genocide, oppression, etc, I don't use the word sin to describe them, I use the word immoral or evil. Jesus spoke about love, forgiveness, care for the poor and downtrodden more than anything else and he also had contempt for those with great wealth and power.
As I grew up my dad quoted this a lot. It stuck in my head. It's out of the last chapter of Ecclesiastes, and it's something people do not want to hear: "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
The judgement will come at the end, it is not now, in this life. This is the age of Grace. In The Old Testament times, the Jews only had The Law. We have Jesus 😊
Exactly , the (sic) modern church makes god out to be this kind daddy in the sky that will let you off the hook no matter what you've done. The scriptures tell us that God is angry with sinners every day. Ever hear them preach that in church?
@@IansDrumsandBass like to know which scripture you mean? Not saying you're wrong, though. Sadly, there are churches that have "re-worked" God and scripture to make them more 'comfortable'.
@@rachelm7525Also Romans 9: 13 is another example of how God can hate sinners....."Esau I have hated. " You hate all who do iniquity. Psalm 5:4-5 The LORD examines the righteous, but he hates the wicked and those who love violence. Psalm 11:5 You must not follow the statutes of the nations I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and I abhorred them. Leviticus 20:23 There are many more ,but I'm sure you get the picture...... He HATES sinners/the wicked.
@@dfischer1709 He was talking about the nation that would arise from Esau and in regards to him having the birth right. He didn't just hate Esau personally for no reason. That's only nonsense Calvinistic belief that would cause you to take that verse hyper literally.
Brian Masters there weren’t any Christians or anyone righteous when Christ died on the cross. God so loved the world that He sent His only son. There was no one worthy of that in the world. How can anyone be worthy of the Love of God? That’s the amazing thing about our creator!
@@bobbyflamez8857 Yes, no one is worthy of His love..and when He died for us ungodly enemies and children of wrath, He showed amazing love for whole world.. But salvation is only for true believers.. People need to realize that if God didnt sent the saviour and let whole human race into hell, He will still be holy, loving and just God and worthy of all praise.. He is angry every day at sinners..but He also showed crazy love toward us by sacrificing Himself on the cross so we could be made righteous by His work.. And when man see that, he humble himself...repent..believe in the gospel in Jesus christ..and that faith gave him acess to grace and righteousnes of God manifested in Cross of Chirst.. But to know is that faith true or false it is ongoing lifestyle of repenting..neglecting your flesh and will, for Gods will...standing for the truth and not being ashamed of the gospel..as James said faith without works is dead..will you be perfect no, but when you sin, you feel sorry angry disappointed..and you than repent pray and get up stronger in Holy spirit..and not keep on doing whatever you want cold as a stone.. God is our Lord..therefore we are His servants.. Freest man on the face of the earth is one who make himself slave to the perfect Master.. Love of God is for everyone..but not everyone see there depravity and need for Gods mercy and his righteousness..cause maybe they think they are righteous on there own or dont believe in God at all..so they dont gie glory and praise to God in way he deserves anyway... And dont cling at cross of God where his love is manifested..
Ok - then make sure to show them these verses - “As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive” - 1 Corinthians 15:22 “Christ is the savior of all men, especially believers” - 1 Timothy 4:10 “And through Him to reconcile all things to Himself” - Colossians 1:20 “As one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so one act of righteousness resulted in justification and life for all people” - Romans 5;18 This is just the surface my friend.
simisola fafowora Good question- This simply means that God will favor some in this life, and disfavor others; it all depends on God’s purpose at that time. Paul answers your question, also, in Romans 9:14-16: “What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.” Hope this helps.
Gods the potter. He makes one vessel in honour and another vessel in dishonor out of the same lump of clay Can the clay vessel ask the potter why you make me this way? Romans 9:21
I agree although I was not scared Into believing... I was loved into it. It is the goodness of God that calls people into repentance you must look at all scripture.
It’s the terror of the Lord that persuades men but is the kindness of the Lord that leads to repentance. That the Lord has been so kind to save you from his wrath. The wrath and his love coincide together and are both necessary.
There are 98 bible translations: only 3 translations of the bible translate the English Anglo Saxon word into hell. Tradition of men make the word of God to no effect
I was a very religious Methodist for 19 years. But as I began to read the Bible I came across 1 John 3:4-10. Verse 8 says it clearly: I was of the devil because I practiced sin. I repented of my sins and called on Jesus to save me. Jesus saved me radically. From deathto life, from darkness to light, from being a child of the devil to being a child of God.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. - John 4:18 I think that God loves us unconditionally and we should keep the Law and ask for forgiveness as thanksgivings and as an expressions of our love to Him. If you want to keep the Law because you fear for your own life and soul you don't do it for your Father but for yourself.
They just have a Military mindset and they try to feed people on obedience by fear. Unconditional love doesn't give me a pass to Sin, its gives me a thankful heart❤ and that leads me to obedience.
If statements are conditionals. Jesus clearly says that there are conditions on his love - John 15:10 (ESV Strong's) 10 *If* _you keep my commandments,_ you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
If you become a Christian bc you are scared of hell, an not because God loves you while yet a sinner, then you miss the point. The point isn’t to escape hell, the point is to have imputed righteousness because of God’s love that was expressed on the cross. That weather has been fulfilled for those that believe. That sacrificial love. God’s Love is for all, but I guess you could say the condition is believing and calling Him Lord. Generally it is unconditional, but you have to accept it to gain the “benefits”.
Right. The idea is to not want to escape hell, but to be in the presence of Almighty God! It shouldn't be about hell avoidance, but accepting His love that was so great He created me, and I can have eternal life! I mean think of how awesome that is we can have a relationship with the Creator of the universe and one day be in His presence in heaven!
@@markanderson77 but God also made hell in case you stay a rebel at heart. If you truly love God and doesn't want salvation just to escape hell, you can just enjoy staying in hell getting roasted forever.
I think for both reasons are legit. I mean who wants to go to Hell and not be saved? That being said as you mature as a Christian you realize it's not just about being saved from Hell, but all about his love for us and growing in the knowledge of that love.
I don't know what Bible these two men read, but I know for a fact from the Christian Bible that God's love is unconditional. That isn't to say that Jesus Christ didn't have to shed his blood and die on the cross for remission from sin, but that was done for everyone because God unconditionally loves everyone. Jesus came not to purchase love or to make love from God possible the sinners. Jesus is not God protecting us from God, which is a major heresy. First John says, among every other passage on the subject, that the father sent Jesus because he loved every sinner, even his worst enemies.
I’ve never done anything super bad, but I have been fearful of God and His fiery wrath. Feared of being thrown into the lake of fire, condemnation. At 19 years old I was baptized and gave myself over to Him. I’m 21 now. ❤️🙏🏻
I have a rant, hopefully it ends up being coherent enough. What annoys me is a select few Christians seem to think its their duty to embody a hateful attitude towards those who have yet to believe in Jesus. You see some of those street preachers who make threats to invoke a petty primitive fear in people, like a shotgun Christianity. "Convert now! God hates you because you're a sinner and if you don't oblige, you'll go to God's torture chamber where he will torture you forever in righteous fury!" To me, people like that lack a sober and holistic view of who God is, as was and is perfectly revealed in Jesus. Their problem is not new, its an ancient problem, and Jesus completely condemned that attitude in the pharisees. I've heard testimonies of people who were like that and changed, and when they would reflect back on their heart when behaving that way, they said they had no love in their hearts. Jesus came to save, not to put the world under judgment, because we're already under condemnation by being separate from him. He told us to follow his example, and he commanded us not to condemn others, but to receive his righteous spirit and share the love and holiness of God. My view of hell, is that its a place where God isn't. I get a pretty good picture of what hell is when I imagine earth without God's presence, and is where people go who want the absence of God. I believe hell is a place of privation, agony and torment. Its a privation of all things good, including hope and love. I view it like a prison, where people deceive one another and tear each other apart in every way, all in the name of self-worship.
Angry, but merciful and kind to a sincere heart that turns to Him and away from a constant sinful lifestyle.. and instead, seeks the Savior and lives to promote the Kingdom of God 👑
I'm not even a calvinist and I have a ton of respect for R.C Sproul. My hope is that he's joyfully singing praises to our God who mightily saved him right now in heaven, in the presence of the Lamb.
@@marukchozt6744 Sarcasm? what are you talking about, Maybe you don't listen to too many of these guys sermons but I came out of Calvinism and heard many sermons of How Christ Died for all he loves everyone a propitiation for the whole world only to find later and in other sermons they say the opposite They are not being sarcastic but speaking the language of the serpent These men live in contradictions and they don't even blush about it they are soo comfortable even have sayings like preach like and Armenian and doctrine like a calvinist sick very sick
@@victorcritelli5790 Well, that’s nuanced. I think I’ve listened to them enough regarding this issue and indeed, they do live in a contradiction because the flesh and the spirit are both present in the life of a believer, as Paul labors. We are still sinful, but we are now able to resist sin with our new life, though not perfectly. Martin Luther labors this point also that the life of a believer is paradoxically, simultaneously just and sinful at once. These men don’t preach sin nor a sinful way of life. They acknowledge the reality of it and reminds true believers the comfort of their salvation at hand, that they may return to the father and repent of their sins without the fear of the death of judgement.
It's all very simple: reject Jesus and you are rejecting Gods love he is offering you. Accept Jesus and you are accepting Gods love. There is no middle ground no matter how much some may hope there to be one. God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. This is God offering his love to us. If we do not accept His terms and accept His Son the only thing left is his wrath. If you are outside of Christ you are lost and without hope and outside the love of God.
Brother Stacy wait, that confuses me. So did Jesus die to save all men or just some upon a precondition? Don’t take that as argumentative, just curious.
@@jtbtdlkt2012 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV Pray and study the verse context. God bless you
@@jtbtdlkt2012 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him (that is Jesus) should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
rita symons “I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;” JOHN 17:9 Is it possible that John 3:16 is a descriptive verse rather than prescriptive?
Father, thank You for Your everlasting love beyond our short comings. “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.” (1 John 4:10) Thanks be unto God! Hallelujah ❤️💗❤️❤️💕❤️💗
No. this is not self righteous nonsense. You just want to go on believing that being good gets you into heaven, It does not. Also, you can respond to God and still be wicked because we are all wicked on a daily. We all fall short. God hates unrepentance and rebellion. Your statement is one of rebellion. He will forgive only if there is Godly sorrow and a turn from sin. Most people say they love God but their is no fruit of the spirit. I'd rather be righteous though Christ and run towards the narrow path than believe that God loves me no matter what. God says he will spit us out of his mouth in the end for that belief. read the bible.
@@cindyortiz4552 1 John 4:8 “Whoever does not LOVE does not know God, because God is love. When you don’t fear God, you will know Him because perfect love casts out ALL fear. Your still filled with fear of a “conditional”, tormenting pagan God created by the ancient Roman church. Read the real, earliest known manuscripts, today’s bibles are mistranslations with inserted words by the Latin scribes to foster the turn or burn gospel. You are a religious slave that needs to be set free sister. Much love to you and may the father give you His eyes to see with, and pure love that will set you free of endless religious and ritual works. Peace
If you think about it from a parent child perspective, a parent may always love the child, but there are times where the parent "detests" the child. There appears to be an overarching love from God towards all men but that doesn't negate his other feelings towards them. That said, God loves us too much to leave us in the state he finds us when we come to Him :)
why would you think of it in "a parent child perspective" instead of through the lens of scripture. trying to understand God based off what you would do in His shoes makes for poor theology.
@@wnburns1076 Because the parent child relationship is expressly stated in scripture, even going as far as comparing God's love for us with a parent's love for a child. Why else would He say we cry out to him Abba if He didn't expect us to make the connection with our earthly parents. My point also didn't need a parent child relationship metaphor, but it fits. Basically God is love but love is not God. IOW, love is not the only characteristic of God. He is also just and holy and has other "emotions", such as anger(righteous anger but still anger).
@Order Power If you don't want God in this life...why would you want Him in the next? Plus there is the whole thing about breaking countless laws, which have consequences. If I'm pulled over for speeding, I can't say "hey, i don't believe in you police officer so let me go". God literally died...literally died on this Earth so we wouldn't have to spend eternity without Him. Not sure what else he could have done .
I am fully convinced that God loves those who choose to separate themselves from Him. His salvation and His blessings are not unconditional, but His love surely is. Without freewill love would not be true. Love does not force it's own way. God takes no pleasure in those who perish.
Daniel James Quartararo so you’re saying God’s wrath and his discipline are equal? I think his discipline is upon those he loves, but his wrath is upon those he hates.
More people need to read Jonah and realize the story isn’t about a fish, it’s about God’s love for the multitude who were lost and even in Jonah’s eyes a lost cause
@@jtbtdlkt2012 its scriptural. Without free will your a robot incapable of making any choices and or entering in any relationships. Your truly a meat ball with puppet strings and even this very conversation is not of my own writing and your thoughts and reaction to it is all not your own.
Jon Cross yeah but we’re talking about two different friends here friend. I don’t reject free will, rather when I talk about man being incapable-in and of himself-of making a choice to love God first, then I’m talking about will within the nature of a creature (or creaturely will). A for instance, you are perfectly free to grab a child and boil it for food, you can overpower the kid and nobody is stopping you (all things being equal), BUT it is absolutely outside of your nature to do this...I imagine even if you were dying of hunger you would not even entertain the notion. A rabbit, if locked in a cage and two bowls were placed in front of it (lettuce and raw meat), the nature of the rabbit’s will would dictate it’s choice. A lion, even if starved and you placed in a cage with only a bowl of veggies, it’s nature would sooner let it die than freely choose that food. Man, in his natural state, is like those animals, in that when given a choice that he is free to act upon, will never choose God; Why not? Because He is incapable, in his natural state, of pleasing God (Romans 8:7-8). It’s truly a humbling thing to realize that you had no part to play in your salvation, the choice was made by God Himself in eternity past; man talk about grace! Now don’t get me wrong, I know that assaults the sensibilities of man because it crushes the last vestige of pride to understand that even the choice to love God was only made possible because He first loved you...I don’t think I’m wrong here but if I am then please help me to understand.
@@infinitefather I watched the video... What I am saying is that God's love is unconditional. He's clearly mixing up Holiness with Love. You think God hates Satan or any of his creatures who sin against him? His Holiness is a different matter it is what causes him to be fair and just and righteous and if he goes against his Holiness he cannot be God. If God's love is not unconditional why would he die for sinners who he knows would choose against him and go to Hell?? Why didn't he just die for some instead of all? It's our decision to not love God back that keeps us away from him, God continues to love.
@@jordandavis3867 God is Father to us.. imagine a dad love his kids, is it because the kids give him something? No.. but normal dad want his kid / son to be good in this world, to be save, because he love, so God version is much more if we are human can love our son or daughter no matter what.. God is more.. what do you think?
Holyspirit will convince people of "sin, righteousness, and judgment" (John 16:8). This is what needs to be preached! BUT! saying Gods love is 'not unconditional' is saying that Gods love IS conditional. If that's true, on what condition did you deserve Gods love?
God's love is not quantitatively conditional - no amount of service, religious striving, repeating of prayers, keeping of the Law, in short no merit of out own does anything with regard to our salvation. Our works don't make us more righteous. God's love is qualitatively conditional in that it is dependent on our relationship with Him through Christ. Trusting in Christ as our sin-substitute, trusting in Him as our living hope, trusting in Him to be our advocate, trusting in Him for our forgiveness... in essence having a living relationship with Him through prayer as our lifeline for everything is the only "condition" necessary for salvation.
No guys what they mean here is that believers are under a different Love than what sinners are. Not too sure about that tho but its something to meditate, pray and read on. Get your own revilation.
God is Love. He can’t help but Love us! Gods love is unconditional but that doesn’t mean He will allow us to live in His presents forever no matter what we do.
God is also Holy, you cannot seperate Holiness from Love thus perfect Love (Agape) needs to hate evilness and you cannot hate the acts withowt the one who does it. You will not understand the gospel withowt understanding from Who you are saved from. And no we are not saved from the Love of God but by His righteous wrath on mankind, withowt understanding this there is no gospel.
For the Child of God, His love is complete because God is important and who He is, not sin. For the sinner, the love of God is a war making love against sin. This is to set the sinner free and make him experience God's love as a son.
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. - Romans 5:10
God is love and love is just and therefore must judge sin which is contrary to love. "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments" (1 Jn. 5:2). If we do not love others by keeping His commandments we will be judged for not loving as He loves. In other words, because God is love He is to be feared by those who do not love which is evident by their disobedience. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb. 10:31). Not for the just, but the unjust. Christ says in Matthew 10:28, “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” "For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience (Eph. 5:5-6). "That all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thess. 2:12). People leave the church primarily because they love their sin more than they love God. If that is the case with you, you should indeed fear the God of love who must necessarily judge the sin of not loving God and neighbor by disobedience to His word (Jn. 14:21).
@@TheWSYNkatevy153 I am very much aware of the verses you refer to but I believe you are taking them out of context. “I will never leave thee nor forsake thee” is also found in Deuteronomy 31:6; Joshua 1:5; 1 Chronicles 28:20. Basically the same expression is found in each of those places, and all of them contain the principle that though the faithful and obedient might face hardship or persecution they are to trust in the fact that He will never leave them nor forsake them. This has nothing whatsoever to do with not forsaking those who profess to be Christian yet walk in disobedience to His word. It is absolutely true that NOTHING can separate the true Christian from God's love. However, this must be understood in the context of the biblical description of what a true Christian is. One of the clearest is found in 1 John 3:9, 10, which says, “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.” To interpret those verses in the sense that God will love us and never forsake us irrespective of how we live, and many have, is to pervert the truth according to Scripture.
Thank you very much for the explanation of God's love. I now seem to understand the Benevolent, beneficent and salvific love. Gods love has really fallen in place now and I can teach others to understand that God's love is for everyone but not unconditional. Thanks a lot
Jesus said "he that believeth not is condemned already" (John 3:18). Only those who believe will have everlasting life (John 3:16) and they are the ones who are called the children of God (John 1:12). So right there, the condition is you have to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to escape the wrath of God.
That scripture does not in anyway say that we earn Gods love. It dose not say we must believe to be SO God Can love us. It says we must believe to be Saved. So we must believe that God already LOVED US while we were yet sinners hence it is by GRACE that you are saved as Paul the apostle wrote. So there was no condition on Gods love. God loves because He IS LOVE not because we fullfull any condition. The condition of believing is for RECEIVING salvation NOT for earning anything. The subject matter in that scripture is salvation NOT LOVE.
leadlefthand what about Acts 2:38 Mark 16:16 1 Peter 3:21. Even Satan believes and Trimble. You have to Hear, believe, confess, repent and be baptized into Christ for the remission of your sins. Don't just look at one scripture, look at all of them. If you truly have faith and believe, then you will have faith that baptism saves. Without that then you really didn't have faith
Yep and near all of Gods promises are conditional too, God owes us nothing, its for us to make amends with Him and He s faithful and just to forgive us, cleanse us and upkeep His word and promises so much as we meet those conditions. Its called responsibility. God bless
God definitely loves each one of us unconditionally. Saved and unsaved he loves. Now this may not mean he accepts us unconditionally but his love for each one of his children is undoubtedly unconditional.
Jeff Furrow Don’t disagree with you one bit. Unfortunately that’s not what the Preachers in the video say. They’re pretty much saying that Gods love is not unconditional and that’s not true.
1 Peter 3:12, "For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil." Does this sound unconditional???? Hmmmm... not a chance. There are SEVERAL scriptures like this in the Bible, too. Remember... "For my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...", "...study to show thyself approved..."
Lakisha Hammond “Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 ESV bible.com/59/1co.13.4-8.esv
Lakisha Hammond God's love and hatred towards sin and towards sinners aren't mutually exclusive. He can still punish sinners and still love them. 1 Corinthians 13:6 "It does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth." Remember that love is perfect, and perfect means to lack nothing. If God's love was only towards a certain group of people, then it would not be perfect. He loves everyone, but His love can either be grace for some, and justice for others
Freed by Yeshua: John 17:9"I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me.." and 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but for those who will believe in Me through their word;"
Otto Matts I never said that he loves believers and unbelievers in the same way. My point is that his love is unconditional, meaning that it doesn't depend on you meeting the conditions. Am I saying that we shouldn't love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength? Absolutely not, we should love him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. However, we must not forget that he loved us while we were yet sinners. God loves all, but that doesn't mean that he wont pour out his wrath for many on judgment day. God bless
very true from the scriptures, though the difficulties in communicating this whole truth can be hard to overcome... I think the aspect of God's love and mercy and grace towards his people needs to be emphasized just as much as his wrath for the wicked
I don't think even Satan could have offered up a better reason for rejecting God than this panel. They have embraced emotionalism and the sinful methods and ideas of men and applied it to the Infinite One.
And it's kind of strange also because Jesus specifically in the Bible encourages us to even love our enemies, do good to those who hate us and despitefully uses us, so why wouldn't god love the sinner if he encourages us to even love our enemies??
There's no room for humor & laughter around this topic...but as we can see...they have a form of godliness, while denying the power thereof with their mixture of silly and sober...hell is ETERNAL!
Agape. First speaker is wrong, God does love Unconditionally. That is literally what AGAPE means. This does not mean acceptance of sin. Parents love children but hate things they do. Same principle. We are loved in spite of sin, not accepted in spite of it.
I was only 6 when my Dad passed away and because my Mum hardly spoke of him to me I do not remember anything about him nor know what kind of father her was. I would like to think that he did not use fear to draw me close to him.
I love the gospel. the whole gospel the whole truth. i love Jesus so much for is love and for his wrath. when you understand God in that way its truly an amazing feeling. God is good
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. PSALM 7:11 IF ye keep my commandments, ye shall ABIDE in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. JOHN 15:10 Where you see the word "if", it is always followed by a conditional statement.
So sad that these fearmongers have deceived so many people about our Source and keep people under bondage. Actually they are saying that God is love and fear(absence of love) at the same time.
Love and acceptance are different things. God loving you means that God wants the best for you. It doesn’t mean that you don’t have to repent or that what you doing is awesome because you’re awesome as you are. If feel that R.C. is strawmaning unconditional love. When they say that parents love their kids unconditionality it doesn’t mean any wrong they do is great and peachy.
The Fundamentalist God loves us less than a parent. His God gives no second chances after death. If my kid gets hooked on meth, I watch him steal from me, abuse me, wreck my home... but I love that kid. You know what I do? Do I frame him for murder and give him life in the big house with the rapists? Do I shoot him and say it was the just recompensation for my indignity? Do I immortalize him and put him in a padded room with an infinite supply of drugs? No! I rat him out, and I bribe the judge into giving him 18 months instead of 6 (the amount of time it takes to heal as much as possible from meth addiction) and give him another chance at life. Sure, detoxing from Meth is hell. It hurts. Meth replaces your ability to feel pleasure. But he will get better. He gets through the hell. Then I bribe someone into giving him a job and put him in a group home. I don't give up on him, even if he's hooked again and again, because I love him, and I'm rich enough to expend any amount of resources on him. If I love my kid, I don't stop till the day I die. MacArthur's God throws his kid in the Big House to drop the soap every day. I'm not too dignified to take my kid's insults. I love him too much to give up on him, and justice will be served with each violation of the law the kid makes. But MacArthur's God's ego is infinite. His God pretends to humble himself as a man on earth while still holding his nose when pulling us out of the crack house of sin. MacArthur's God plays favorites and chooses which kid to give up on. MacArthur's God is not love.
After 30 years in fundamental Christianity I finally found the unconditional Love of God. And it had nothing to do with the dogma of an angry God or the fear of condemnation in Hell. I'm sorry, but, I now know beyond a shadow of doubt that the scare tactics and threat of condemnation is completely overshadowed by God's unconditional Love. And it is beyond comprehension. "If you say you love God and hate your brother, you are a liar" 1 John 1:20
To say God's love is conditional is to say it can be earned, and that goes against Romans 5:8 and John 3:16. We can't earn His love neither can we repent of our own strength; it comes by His Spirit *in* us. He does the work! We love Him because he first loved *us* (1 John 4:19). He doesn't love us because we love Him. You got it backwards! Not the gospel!
Of course RC didn’t believe or teach works based salvation. Jeepers. I doubt or hope you don’t believe or espouse antinomianism. Not an “either or” argument. Both Rom 5:8 and Matthew 7: 15-20 are true (you will know them by their fruits). Conversion by true faith is always accompanied with godly repentance 2 Cor 7:10. “Conditional” in the sense of arguing against someone claiming that no change will be seen in a true believer’s life.
@Dead Planet By definition a gift is something that you get free and if you want a vers look at Romans 3:24. Keeping the commandments is works and we are saved by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone in Christ ALONE (Ephisians 2:8-9, Galatians 5:4). You need to look at verses in both the context of the chapter and overall book and historical context and to place them in the right dispensation to get the meaning. And repentence is just a change of mind, if repentence means to turn from your sins than God sinned 38 times in the Old Testament alone and NOWHERE in the Bible says to repent of your sins to be saved and Jesus never said that either. And I don't want the law gone, I just don't want people to think that they can be saved by the Law. And I don't preache lawlessness, sin is awful and has bad consequences, it's just that for the saved person Hell isn't one of them. God Bless.
The elect of the Father are drawn to Jesus, who then fall upon Him in faith and trust. I didn't accept Jesus into my heart, I was chosen and drawn to the Son, and I cried out to Him to save me from damnation and my sin.
Same here. I still have many unanswered questions regarding Calvinist theology, nevertheless, I have great respect for these men and their clear love for God.
God does love unconditionally and he also does forgive our sins, but what he doesn't do ... and this is the part preachers leave out ... he doesn't remove consequences for our sins. So yes, God does not have conditions we have to meet in order to receive his love and in that context his love is unconditional. However, under the condition of sinful behaviours, there are consequences and those God will not remove otherwise there would be nothing in place to change or modify sinful behaviours.
@@biblicalbacon So you don't believe what these 2 men said in the video? You do realize that you are fighting the inspired words of God that they quoted, showing that God hates some people. Let me be blunt with you, you have conflated "unmerited" with "unconditional".
Hmmmm even though it's written clearly in scripture that the ALMIGHTY ONE abhors the wicked ...."abhor"....You say..."awww HE loves everyone unconditionally" This is sheer madness and anyone who listens to you will be in danger because you are speaking completely opposite of what is actually written in scripture. This is not a situation where you can construct who and what you want HIM to be...which so many have come to do in our society. ..to their own damnation... This is a Being that has intelligence and power beyond your limited scope... if it is stated that HE abhors the wicked...where do you place yourself (in reference to authority) to say/teach others something different? Do you not know that you will be held accountable for this? In the matter of forgiveness....meaning to pardon...if you were truly forgiven for your sins....why then do you still suffer the consequences?....this is not being pardoned. If the wages of sin is death. ..and Jesus paid the price .. .why then do Christians still die? This alone should be a red flag.
@The world doesn't understand the power of jesus.... Why not? They understood it back then....lay hands on the sick and they shall recover...cast out demons....jesus didn't have tea and a conversation with the demon posessed or the ill...he said it...once...and it was done. Power? What you are seeing is skilled communication ....Christianity preys on the hurting who are looking for hope...it preys on the broken dreams and sicknesses. ...and yet claimed Christians still commit suicide, are alcoholics, depressed, murderers, etc. It's a false hope...and it's sad. Jesus was not God...he was a man...and he said so many times. He was not GOD...but I know the ONE who is.
@@ginajustiniano84 Yes there is a God and you should be grateful because if there was not you wouldn't exist either. Seek for Jesus with an open heart and you will find love, understanding and forgiveness. I pray that you do for the coming Kingdom of God is where you want to spend eternity.
Repentance. The Greek word metanoeo. Meta means change, and noeo means mind. It means to change your mind from trusting in what we do to save us, to trusting in what He did to save us. It means to go from unbelief to belief. To quit trusting our works to save us to His finished work to save us.
It doesn't mean change your natural mind... It means to die to your old natural mind and be given a brand-new mind in Jesus Christ inwardly and spiritually through repentance and faith... All those who are in Christ are a new creation... Old things have passed away... Behold All Things become new... 2 Corinthians 5
@@clarkkent3730 but if you can say your old self has passed away with arrogancy, confidence.. than its boasting about what you have done.. and i hate to break it you your still a sinnner.. An imperfect human like us all you havent been made perfect in love.. just because you are able to kick some sin doesnt mean you dont indulge in others...ever heard of pride? Greed? arrogance? judgmental? glutton? hypocrisy ?
windstorm1000 , he's a loving God but he regretted creating humans. Genesis 6:6-7And the Lord was Sorry that He had made man on the earth, and he was grieved in his heart. So the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I had made them. So your right he's loving, but he is a vengeful God. He loved us that he gave us his only begotten Son so we may be saved. But you have to show him you love him by obeying the Gospel. And I will give you a good advice. Read starting with Acts and you will find out what God expects from you.
I never had parents and when I did have my mother in my life it was filled with severe abuse. I never got that unconditional love EVERY CHILD NEEDS to grow healthy and normal. I need that unconditional love still. So instead of just BEING LOVED I have to exhaustingly and unbearingly work tirelessly to just HOPE God MIGHT accept me and love me back
MacArthur is a Calvinist. He only believes that Jesus died for some of us, unconditionally loving them, and unconditionally hates the rest of us. The condition is God's regeneration of our souls from the Original Sin that he had us born in, not our actions. When a Calvinist says we were "slaves to sin," he means "programmed to sin." Whenever a Calvinist implies you can decide to approach God, he's straight-up lying. Their doctrine says that only those chosen to approach God do so, and can't do otherwise. When a Calvinist says you "freely" do something, they mean you move "freely" like a wind-up toy. You can't steer yourself. God steers you to heaven or hell, and you roll onward with no control of your own mind or intentions.
@oron61 are you a Calvinist? God does not send any one to hell, we choose ourself to go there, “but God” is offering His Son, Jesus, so that we don’t have too. Just like a mother wants to protect her son/daughter from harm or from anything that would cause harm, same thing with God. Though we are not all God’s children still works the same.
@@aaronschoolfield7376 That's like saying you are shooting yourself by not complying when someone threatens you with a gun. Nobody chooses to be tortured forever, period. Hell is attached to other decisions, such as sin, or rejecting the atonement, not a chosen fate for itself. Because the only one who wrote the law which attaches hell to another decision we make- is God, God is the one sending people to hell. MacArthur believes the above, AND that the blood of the atonement is not actually offered to everyone. Calvinists believe that God rigidly chooses who will be saved, and thereby rigidly rejects the others, leaving them in the original sin he created them with in order to damn them. You can't call it a decision to go to hell if your will is bound and giving you no choice but to sin. Calvin himself openly says that God arranged the fall of man (Institutes 3.23.7) and causes evil to happen. MacArthur is lying to you.
@@oron61 The Law was never intended to send people to hell, it’s a school master to reveal our sinful nature so that we turn to God and accept His atoning work on the cross by Jesus Christ. Now John MacArthur is a hypercalvinist in salvation. I don’t agree with it at all. If God sent people to hell that would be unjust and God is just, Romans 7:12 “wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good”, “in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us”, if God sent us to hell then why are we not in hell right now? We deserve death hell and the grave, but Eph 2:4 “But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us”. We choose hell ourselves, period. Eph 2:3c “and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others”.
@@aaronschoolfield7376 "Where there is no law, there is no transgression." If we are children of wrath by nature, how can we be children of wrath by decision? That would mean that we decided to be evil before we were born that way. If God doesn't send us to hell, who did Jesus tell us to fear, who can cast us into hell after destroying the body? We are not in hell right now, according to Augustinian theology, because the deadline of physical death hasn't been reached yet. For Augustine, we are born bad by nature and held guilty for what we cannot help. We embraced that in the Dark Ages when we forgot the Greek Language and only knew Latin, which Augustine wrote, while the Greek Church had many other theologians for consensus, not just Jerome and Augustine.
If God's love is conditional on me, what standard of holiness do I use to work on myself to be sure that God loves me because of me? If God is angry towards us and hates you us so much, how come He could still kindly give up His Only Son to be a sin sacrifice for our sins?
if God don't have a unconditional maybe going back 2016 years ago Jesus Christ didn't die to pay every SIN that we are carried even on our present time right now God give a son for everyone no matter who you are no matter what you are God love us unconditional (agape)
Untrue. His love is unconditional to those who are *in* Christ. If His love is unconditional to all then there is no consequence for sin. Which means there is no hell. Which means the Bible is a lie and Jesus' sacrifice (the Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep) doesn't mean anything. Agape is sacrificial love. There is no sacrifice if God loves everyone despite their wanton rebellion against Him.
he have been shown me the love that people need that's why I believe .sorry for you if you can't appreciate and understand the world . I know why I'm leaving and continue breathing because I do seeking his name. unconditional love in not impossible to have just love and resist the madness in your heart . and about that consequences in our second death don't be so ignorant obviously it just pushing us to be afraid and fear the sin .
Yes that's exactly what I thought. It was a little bit confusing, because after this video I heard Paul Washer preaching about God's unconditional love. But he was speaking about christians.
"God's love is unconditional" -- it is God's character. "God gave the conditions for transform to his image". -- It is desire of God Finally, God is conditions God, but not conditional God
Those who die without Christ will indeed be separated from His love for all of eternity. Why anyone would find comfort in believing that God still loves them as He is casting them into the lake of fire, Rev. 20:15, is inexplicable to me.
Pretty much as Sproul and MacArthur say here, the Bible NEVER says that God's love is unconditional. Sure, His love is steadfast and a sure foundation toward those who believe in Him, but even for believers, the Bible never says "unconditional." That's a modern psychology concept, loving someone regardless of what they do. Maybe family members or other people should love each other in a way that's similar to "unconditional", but again, people are going to offend each other and will need to apologize (repent of the offense) and the offended party will exercise forgiveness toward the offender (See Luke 17:3-4). But in reference to God, Bible knows the love of God in a way that is far greater than this term "unconditional."
I wish someone would show this video to Greg Laurie and Harvest Crusade. They preach the most diluted Gospel EVER!. God bless R.C Sproul,and MacArthur for having the backbone to preach the TRUTH!
God is smiling at us. On our best day we are the righteous of God. On our worst day we are the righteous of God. That’s because Christ gave us righteous not our own efforts
God’s love is presented as an unconditional gift on earth. Ezekiel 18:23 says, “have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? Says the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways and live?” But it can still be a difficult line to draw at times.
You sir have completely left out the Finished Work of Jesus the savior on the cross. Gods wrath was satisfied then .Jesus either bore all the Fathers wrath ,bore all the sin of the world and nailed it all to that cross or He did nothing and we are all on our own,,as you men must admit! No amount of goodness,character change or external showmanship will ever inter into the family of God. Just simple faith and belief in the saving Grace of Jesus Christ ,the Son !
Thank you ever so much that really clears my understanding unconditional love. You have no idea appreciated and the wisdom I just came from this panel. Thanks again and shalom!
pastors teach all that say the sinners prayer go to heaven because God loves you unconditionally. Have you ever heard a pastor say you MAY go to heaven. nope. JESUS said "Not everyone that says "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom, but he that DOES the will of my Father in heaven." Jesus closes with depart from me you who act as if I never gave you a law to obey, I never knew you. Clearly His "unconditional love" wont keep the unrepentant from hell.
Waiting to say the prayer called the sinners prayer myself everyday, is like waiting to explain our to our horse put on the bridal my horse has its own mind and controlling it is a whole lot harder in those horse and buggy days gone by. Well I'll be darn, god can love us unconditionally from above existentially, but we can even love our neighbor conditionally. My total attitude is that which we speak is relative when we speak of liberty or love, it has to have a bridal on it. Otherwise it is fanaticism.
If you guys had a problem with what these gentlemen said, then I think you folks misunderstood their explanations. Now although they didn't speak much on the love of God, they didn't diminish His love towards people. His dying on the cross experience was clearly a demonstration of His love, romans 5:8. However, you guys need to understand context. Don't simply pick and choose bible verses to try to make your point because then what your verse may be directing may loose its meaning. God loves the world, John 3:16. But understand that this verse also says "whoever believes in Jesus shall not perish." God loves the world, and in showing so He gave his only begotten Son, why? So we would believe in Him and be saved. But whoever doesn't believe in Him WILL PERISH. His wrath is on people who don't believe in Him, romans 1:18. The Bible clearly states here that His wrath is on the wicked people. So apart from Christ the only thing that remains in you is His wrath. People don't get saved because they realize they were on their way to heaven, they were on their way to hell, Matthew 25:46. Now although His wrath is on people, He's still patient with them wanting them to repent, 2 peter 3:9. But if we don't repent, we perish. And as they keep denying Him, they're His enemies, Romans 5:10. With Christ I have peace with God, romans 5:1. The only reason why I have peace with Him is because I'm in Christ. And because I'm in Christ I entered into this grace, Romans 5:2. And he basically treats us as if I'm His Son because I'm in Him. Now that I enter in Him I'm righteous, 2 Corinthians 5:21. But ONLY because I'm in Him. The reason I'm saved is because our atonement Jesus bore our sins on the cross and suffered "the wrath of God." He drank from the cup of God's wrath. And so my sins are atoned for because they were crucified with Him. What these men were trying to say is that people who typically say "God loves you unconditionally," usually make people think they don't have to die to sin, and that's wicked. The love of God should be explained with detail. God has killed people solely for their sins because He hated them, Hosea 9:15. Conclusion: If you're not in Christ, He's gracious and merciful and is offering you to believe in Christ today. If you're not interested, His wrath remains in you. And although you may live a good life, you won't be fulfilled and ultimately the road you're in will lead you to destruction.
Agree,, some people don't realize that God's love is conditional because of man's condition. They only see God as a loving God,, but they missed to see His anger and justice toward sin..
While I recognize what you say has the potential to be true, at most its only what you believe. The bible is just as fallible as you and I are, so it is not a reliable authority on how things really are. I understand that the bible is the governing text of the Christian faith, so to Christians it is an absolute authority, but to everyone else who isn't Christian the bible is not definitive proof. Like any religious texts one must first have faith that the text is true, and faith is not the same as fact. Many have just as much reason to believe God's love is unconditional. Be it from texts other than the bible, first-hand experiences of meeting God (yes, there are many who claim they have spoken/met God), and/or because the Holy Spirit has confirmed to them this truth. But like I said, these people have just as much potential to be true as anybody else, but like you, they can be wrong. Sadly Christianity is one of many religions who claim that if people don't follow them (before a certain time) then they will be eternally damned. This is basically trying to scare people into believing in their religion, which we know is not a healthy way (or loving way) to base a religion off of. Which is why so many people have a hard time with certain versions of Christianity.
I can't find one scripture that says it's the reprimand of God that leads men to repentance, but there is "Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" Romans 2:4 You know what changed me? getting a revelation of the love of God, it broke me, it let me receive the grace of God for transformation in my life, and I stand here today a FORMER drug dealer, porn addict, womanizer, lier, angry frustrated person, because the love and goodness of God exposed the lie, so TRUTH can manifest.
The Reformed believers confuse God's love with His fellowship. He does commend His love towards all men and women without condition, or else no one would have ever been saved. God does however place very certain conditions on sharing His fellowship with men.
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I came to the Lord 40 years ago as a very lost, unsaved Jew in the middle of a psychotic episode... I was drawn to a neighbor because of a love I saw in her that was different than anything I had ever experienced... She introduced me to My Messiah and prayed with me to receive Him as My Savior and Lord! As I started reading the Scriptures and praying, I started understanding what a great salvation I had received,... Within a year of giving my life to Jesus, I was totally healed of a serious, chronic mental disorder... I knew that there was nothing else that I wanted to do for the rest of my life other than to love, worship and serve this awesome and loving God that I was coming to know better and better... I didn’t come to Jesus to escape hell... I came to Jesus because I was DEAD, and I was presented the GOOD NEWS that Jesus had come to give me LIFE! Still rejoicing in My Savior and Lord 40 years later!
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He is so awesome!; thanks to God for your testimony.
AMEN, MY SISTER IN CHRIST, HALLELUJAH 🙌
God bless you
I have never heard a preacher say it's ok the way you are. But come as you are and accept Christ. Then through the spirit of GOD the heart changes.
Amen Robin! That’s right
Factsss
*"I have never heard a preacher say it's ok the way you are. "* And yet millions upon millions of "Christians" believe (falsely) that they can live in open sin (i.e. in rebellion against God) and still enter the Kingdom of God. After all, didn't they pray the sinner's prayer?
Isaac Nussbaum go ask any Christian if they think God cares if they sin or not 9 times out of ten if not more they will say yes
@@mahlonfisher2590 Today's church has been taught that Jesus did it all. Nothing is expected of them except to _believe on Jesus._ Everybody gets a participation trophy. They might _say_ that God cares if they sin or not but they don't _live_ like they think He cares. Go to any church in America and it will be full of people who live together out of wedlock, who are divorced and remarried, who are homosexuals, who cheat people in their business dealings, etc. God says to have nothing to do with those kinds of "Christians," to not even eat with them.
_I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people._
_What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”_ (I Cor. 5:9-13, NIV)
We are all living and breathing now thanks to the mercy of God.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:8 KJV
So heaven wasn't always stable, either?
Su Nam (Kevin) Jang wrong
Dead Planet no one said saved. Just not in hell.
Dead Planet btw it was James who said faith without works is dead not Paul. And you calling people numskulls shows that u are in danger of judgment. According to Jesus
The unbeliever is moved to repentance by the fear of damnation; but the believer is moved to obedience be the unfathomable depth of His love, knowing that "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us," and that "we love him because he first loved us."
K. G. R. Amen brother or a sister. Thank you for sharing the wisdom that God has given through you.
It says the goodness of God leads men to repentance so I can't say I agree completely. Fear of punishment isn't repentance. True repentance is godly sorrow that leads to repentance not to be repented of.
K. G. R. Romans 2:4b: "the kindness of God leads you to repentance".
This is bull crap. The fear of damnation does not lead people to repentence. God's love leads people.
The hell worshipers need HELL because the need to use fear. Eventually all will be reconciled through Yeshua Messiah. Even the 'unbeliever' or those that practice other faiths. The hell worshipers hate this truth.
"I will never, no never, reject one of them who comes to Me." - Jesus
God loves unconditionally by offering salvation to all, but only those who receive the gift of Jesus’ sacrifice will be able to know and experience that love.
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise them up at the last day.
Who comes to him how? To be changed, like many did? Or to challenge him, like many did?
@@DecepticonLeader1 I think a comment was deleted. Doesn't make sense now.
God doesn't love unconditionally
It takes a weak faith to think that God’s gift of Salvation isn’t complete once it’s accepted.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9:10
The BEGINNING of wisdom. Not the end.
Dean Dean,
"And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; And to depart
from evil is understanding.'" (Job 28:28)
It is no longer the beginning but the entirety of Wisdom.....
Amen... and when your wisdom is perfected --- you will only fear His absence.
Tom Foolery Actually His Word says that For God SO loved the world, that He GAVE His only begotten Son. Sounds like 🤔 God made the “warm and fuzzy love” you speak about.
I think maybe you mean revere and awe of who He is but fear is not nor should it be the driving force of your relationship with Him, fear eventually fades away but His Love is eternal my friend.
If you fear God then you’ll believe Him when He warns you that the only way is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ!
God's unconditional love melt me and changed me. Nothing but His love. He loved me before I loved Him. He was good to me when I was not.
Disobey him and get back to me
God loves rapist
@@charlesking3384HAHAHAHA!!!! Spot on !!!
If God's love is unconditional, why does hell exist?
And I say that a a Christian. He may love you but that doesn't mean he loves everyone
@@charlesking3384CORRECT
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Mark Sisson
Correct. Calvinists who say God never loved some people are wrong too. But once someone has ultimately rejected Jesus, that love is no more. The Bible never says God loves those in hell. It says He hates the wicked just as He hates satan.
@@IAmisMaster how do you reject jesus? how? if you are covered by the blood.. sanctified made new, under the new covenant and he rose from death... and he said if you love me KEEP MY COMMANDMANTS ...again to love god, and love others as yourself...stop creating your standards of righteousness..jesus already demonstrated that..
you dont have to belong to a religion to love God and to demonstrate that love by helping your community..READ YOUR BIBLE.
@@richgonzales8468 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19 NKJV
GOD hates sinners who He knows will never live according to His Commandments after accepting the Blood of JESUS. Read the Word by the Holy Spirit and you will see that GOD's love is exclusive, it is only in JESUS CHRIST, so those who are not living to His Commandments are not in Him and therefore are not in the love of GOD
@@richgonzales8468
Sounds like you read your Bible....
selectively.
God calls us.
God selects us.
If we are dead in our sins then we are helpless to initiate our salvation.
God does that for us.
It's not the other way around.
It's not about works (as you say).
He saves us.
Not everyone loves God.
Not everyone will be saved.
God’s Love is unconditional. That does not mean there aren’t consequences to your actions.
That's not true. The love describing God in the Bible never means unconditional. Study your word. Get a concordance and a Bible dictionary
What does the Spirit say? Do you have children? Could you love your children more than God loves you? No, of course not. God’s love is infinitely greater yet my love for my children is unconditional. Does that mean my child won’t suffer the consequences of their actions? Of course not! We have the opportunity to choose to listen and obey the Spirit or not. We will receive the consequences of our actions, except for those found in Christ Jesus. They are not loved more, but they have chosen humility and forgiveness.
@@vernonleewarren280 None of Gods children will ever or can ever be lost because we have been chosen in christ before the foundation of the world. This mean God has predestined His children into salvation and they WILL ALL be 100% saved!! They cant be saved, then unsaved! A baby cant go back inside a mother's womb. If we are born again we cannot be unborn again. Thus Gods love is unconditional. If Gods love is NOT unconditional then this is to say christs sacrifice isn't very secure. It's to say let me try and be good today so that God will not stop loving me. Let me work my way into His good books. We can never work our way into Christs good books, if we are truly in christ we will always be in christ. If we fall away into sin and die in our sin, we were never saved in the first place. Gods love is unconditional, it has to be otherwise no one would make it to heaven. No one would be good enough. That's why we need Christs righteousness which He imputed to us when we ate truly saved and He never takes back.
Not unconditional my friend psalm 5:5
“The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.”
Psalms 5:5
@@pgtips4240 you are incorrect with this doctine
I have never heard unconditional love preached the way they talk. God accepts you as you are and loves you enough to not leave you that way. You can do nothing to earn that love.
@Collin Lutz It's unconditional towards you who have had your sins forgiven, but it's not towards Christ who had to pay for them and live a perfect life for us. In a sense God's love is conditional because he placed the conditions on himself, but because he did that it's unconditional towards us. This is the paradox of The Gospel. God has to be just and loving at the same time so he places the burden of the conditions upon himself.
All you have to do is believe in salvation and love it. Love the God who gives it to you.
I came to the Lord through suicide in my family. I saw death personally, I took it personally. I thought if that was me would God let me into heaven, then I thought of all the sins I was bringing with me to heaven. I said no way, show me the exit to hell, I have judged myself guilty. I went to the Bible for the 1st time in my life; & guess who found me? Jesus, who knew, he would come in a volume of a Book.
Divine appointments
Amen, we all got a story to tell. Thank the Lord for his goodness and mercy and He loves His children!! Sorry for your loss..
Go with Judaism. There's no hellfire for eternity
Have you been born again of water and spirit as JESUS commanded😇
@John Carboni Are you saying JESUS didn't speak of hell???
The way I came to Christ was when I realized I had to face Him with all my sins on judgement day. That made me tremble so hard. So then, I came to Christ begging for mercy and shortly awhile after, He showed me the most beautiful thing ever. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” Praise the Holy Spirit who first convicted me and then saved me. AMAZING LOVE JESUS!!
You're brainwashed
Same here! I got saved because I was terrified of the wrath of God, I realized I was lost and going to hell. Without that I would’ve felt justified in my sin
Same here!! I was brought face to face with my fate as I was dead in my sin. I always here that only hearing the Gospel can save and I always get fearful that I didnt repent to God in the right manner or with a heart placed in love.
It makes sense to me to first hear about the fate of hell and then the Gospel....but I might be wrong...
May God have mercy is all I can say. May we be granted Grace through our Saviour Jesus Christ.
@@jmilitala14 For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins
due to being terrified of going to hell you chose to follow god
that's not a true following and that's not truly what being saved means
we should follow god because of love not fear he wants what's best for us he wants us to be free from sin we should freely chose to follow him for he is our father and our salvation and not because of an inner fear of punishment.
So fear was your motivator? Is that healthy?
You should not be so afriad, you should have peace following God. Please turn from these teachers, they ard traching works and thats not peacefuL at all. Only relying on Jesus will help, only JESUS ALONE no work or ttying to keep tje law.
"God hates the sin but loves the sinner??
Just remember that God sends the sinner to hell and not the sin".
That's a msg people need to hear. God hates sin & wickedness.
VredesStall “Sinners” send themselves to hell, by rejecting God’s free gift of love and salvation.
VredesStall so be like Paul and repent of the sin of unbelief and accept Gods unconditional love for you and receive His life by grace through faith! Sounds nearly too good to be true doesn’t it? That’s the gospel.
God does not send people to hell. Their own sin does. The generational sin committed by Adam/Eve which prevents us from being in the presence of God, which we choose to walk in and not repent from, is what sends us to hell. This whole "God sends people to hell" is not biblical theology.
Very well said i agree
Hell Does not exist because that word “Hell” did not come into existence until 725 AD. Stop lying to people. The original scriptures don’t talk about Such a place at all. That’s a fact
Jesus says to love your enemies.
When Jesus was hung on the cross, he prayed to God to forgive his executioners. He also healed the ear of the soldier (Malthus) who came to capture him. He sacrificed his life for others and he called us to follow him in doing the same.
God loves everyone, even the very worst of us. He didn’t call us to condemn each other, to judge each other, or to bully each other with the Bible.
HE CALLED US TO BE OVERFLOWING WITH LOVE FOR EACH OTHER.
However if you reject God's love and forgivness, you're condemned by God to hell
Religious Talk, “38 h“You have heard that it was said, y‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, zDo not resist the one who is evil. But aif anyone bslaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And zif anyone would sue you and take your tunic,8 let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone cforces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 dGive to the one who begs from you, and edo not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies
43 f“You have heard that it was said, g‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, iLove your enemies and jpray for those who persecute you, 45 kso that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and lsends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 mFor if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers,9 what more are you doing than others? Do not even nthe Gentiles do the same? 48 oYou therefore must be pperfect, qas your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt 5:38-48
If Christians truly loved this way towards others, even towards our enemies, how different the church would be.
Christians need to be known for our radical love for others.
@@HIMYMTR Or, if you continue in sin (unscriptural divorce and remarriage). God cannot forgive.
I do have to say that we need to take God seriously though.
Jesus wasn’t a permissive man. He did speak out again sin and hypocrisy. He wasn’t a coward when it came to him being afraid of getting into trouble with powerful people. He was a rebel and a radical in confronting the Pharisees and anyone else who was a sinner. He told people to repent and sin no more.
@@TonyWKoo Some sins are not just sins. When it comes to murder, rape, slavery, genocide, oppression, etc, I don't use the word sin to describe them, I use the word immoral or evil. Jesus spoke about love, forgiveness, care for the poor and downtrodden more than anything else and he also had contempt for those with great wealth and power.
As I grew up my dad quoted this a lot. It stuck in my head. It's out of the last chapter of Ecclesiastes, and it's something people do not want to hear:
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
The judgement will come at the end, it is not now, in this life. This is the age of Grace. In The Old Testament times, the Jews only had The Law. We have Jesus 😊
Exactly , the (sic) modern church makes god out to be this kind daddy in the sky that will let you off the hook no matter what you've done.
The scriptures tell us that God is angry with sinners every day.
Ever hear them preach that in church?
@@IansDrumsandBass like to know which scripture you mean? Not saying you're wrong, though. Sadly, there are churches that have "re-worked" God and scripture to make them more 'comfortable'.
@@rachelm7525 Thanks. It's Psalm 7: 11 - 13. 🙏🏻
@@rachelm7525Also Romans 9: 13 is another example of how God can hate sinners....."Esau I have hated. "
You hate all who do iniquity. Psalm 5:4-5
The LORD examines the righteous, but he hates the wicked and those who love violence. Psalm 11:5
You must not follow the statutes of the nations I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and I abhorred them. Leviticus 20:23
There are many more ,but I'm sure you get the picture......
He HATES sinners/the wicked.
God does love you unconditionally, he just doesn’t want you to stay the way you are. He wants you to grow in Christ.
Jacob I loved Esau I hated, how do you rectify that into your view?
@@TheBrotherOfPeter that's absolute poppycock
@@dfischer1709 He was talking about the nation that would arise from Esau and in regards to him having the birth right. He didn't just hate Esau personally for no reason. That's only nonsense Calvinistic belief that would cause you to take that verse hyper literally.
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ." St. Paul
us = Christians.
Brian Masters there weren’t any Christians or anyone righteous when Christ died on the cross. God so loved the world that He sent His only son. There was no one worthy of that in the world. How can anyone be worthy of the Love of God? That’s the amazing thing about our creator!
@@bobbyflamez8857 Yes, no one is worthy of His love..and when He died for us ungodly enemies and children of wrath, He showed amazing love for whole world..
But salvation is only for true believers..
People need to realize that if God didnt sent the saviour and let whole human race into hell, He will still be holy, loving and just God and worthy of all praise..
He is angry every day at sinners..but He also showed crazy love toward us by sacrificing Himself on the cross so we could be made righteous by His work..
And when man see that, he humble himself...repent..believe in the gospel in Jesus christ..and that faith gave him acess to grace and righteousnes of God manifested in Cross of Chirst..
But to know is that faith true or false it is ongoing lifestyle of repenting..neglecting your flesh and will, for Gods will...standing for the truth and not being ashamed of the gospel..as James said faith without works is dead..will you be perfect no, but when you sin, you feel sorry angry disappointed..and you than repent pray and get up stronger in Holy spirit..and not keep on doing whatever you want cold as a stone..
God is our Lord..therefore we are His servants..
Freest man on the face of the earth is one who make himself slave to the perfect Master..
Love of God is for everyone..but not everyone see there depravity and need for Gods mercy and his righteousness..cause maybe they think they are righteous on there own or dont believe in God at all..so they dont gie glory and praise to God in way he deserves anyway...
And dont cling at cross of God where his love is manifested..
In other words, nothing is preventing you from being saved by the Gospel of Salvation through Jesus Christ.
@@bobbyflamez8857 Salvation plan was made before the foundations of the world.
If you truly love someone you must give the complete truth.
Ok - then make sure to show them these verses -
“As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive” - 1 Corinthians 15:22
“Christ is the savior of all men, especially believers” - 1 Timothy 4:10
“And through Him to reconcile all things to Himself” - Colossians 1:20
“As one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so one act of righteousness resulted in justification and life for all people” - Romans 5;18
This is just the surface my friend.
But how can God love someone He hates?
simisola fafowora
Good question-
This simply means that God will favor some in this life, and disfavor others; it all depends on God’s purpose at that time.
Paul answers your question, also, in Romans 9:14-16:
“What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.”
Hope this helps.
Austin Willis
It doesn’t really....
Because I asked if Perfect love cast our fear...
but thank you for the reply!
Gods the potter. He makes one vessel in honour and another vessel in dishonor out of the same lump of clay Can the clay vessel ask the potter why you make me this way?
Romans 9:21
I agree although I was not scared Into believing... I was loved into it. It is the goodness of God that calls people into repentance you must look at all scripture.
It’s the terror of the Lord that persuades men but is the kindness of the Lord that leads to repentance. That the Lord has been so kind to save you from his wrath. The wrath and his love coincide together and are both necessary.
@@gooseg7988 So Lovely Said. God Bless Your Graceful Heart.
They are answering questions, not heaping fear. The truth is greater than love.
Gods mercy endureth forever
Love never fails
Gods love never fails
Gods love for mankind will not fail
Gods is rich in love and mercy
Amen
@@gooseg7988 I like that
This is amazing and it's scary how most modern churchs avoid this truth. It's a terrifying revelation but the most necessary
John 3:16 FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD..
God loves the people another completely different thing is that poeple reject that love
This is no truth, Romans 8:38-39 debunked this lie.
There are 98 bible translations: only 3 translations of the bible translate the English Anglo Saxon word into hell. Tradition of men make the word of God to no effect
@@rafaeliacsity5315
To what lie do you refer?
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God"
-literally Jesus
I was a very religious Methodist for 19 years. But as I began to read the Bible I came across 1 John 3:4-10. Verse 8 says it clearly: I was of the devil because I practiced sin. I repented of my sins and called on Jesus to save me. Jesus saved me radically. From deathto life, from darkness to light, from being a child of the devil to being a child of God.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. - John 4:18
I think that God loves us unconditionally and we should keep the Law and ask for forgiveness as thanksgivings and as an expressions of our love to Him.
If you want to keep the Law because you fear for your own life and soul you don't do it for your Father but for yourself.
They just have a Military mindset and they try to feed people on obedience by fear. Unconditional love doesn't give me a pass to Sin, its gives me a thankful heart❤ and that leads me to obedience.
Garcia Andre amen!
He's talking about nonchristians. I think you misunderstood.
Aaron Joseph non Christians would be atheists or other religious followers, why would any of this apply to them, if they don't believe what we do?
Garcia André that’s fundamentalist for you.
God's love IS unconditional... but salvation is NOT.
As CS Lewis pointed out-He loves you so much he wouldn't violate your free will and force you to be with him-The choice of destination is up to you!
@@peterwalton4165 Exactly
Thank you. :)
If statements are conditionals. Jesus clearly says that there are conditions on his love - John 15:10 (ESV Strong's)
10 *If* _you keep my commandments,_ you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
Read Deuteronomy chapter 28 KJV of the bible
If you become a Christian bc you are scared of hell, an not because God loves you while yet a sinner, then you miss the point. The point isn’t to escape hell, the point is to have imputed righteousness because of God’s love that was expressed on the cross. That weather has been fulfilled for those that believe. That sacrificial love. God’s Love is for all, but I guess you could say the condition is believing and calling Him Lord. Generally it is unconditional, but you have to accept it to gain the “benefits”.
Right. The idea is to not want to escape hell, but to be in the presence of Almighty God! It shouldn't be about hell avoidance, but accepting His love that was so great He created me, and I can have eternal life! I mean think of how awesome that is we can have a relationship with the Creator of the universe and one day be in His presence in heaven!
@@markanderson77 but God also made hell in case you stay a rebel at heart. If you truly love God and doesn't want salvation just to escape hell, you can just enjoy staying in hell getting roasted forever.
I think for both reasons are legit. I mean who wants to go to Hell and not be saved? That being said as you mature as a Christian you realize it's not just about being saved from Hell, but all about his love for us and growing in the knowledge of that love.
I don't know what Bible these two men read, but I know for a fact from the Christian Bible that God's love is unconditional. That isn't to say that Jesus Christ didn't have to shed his blood and die on the cross for remission from sin, but that was done for everyone because God unconditionally loves everyone. Jesus came not to purchase love or to make love from God possible the sinners. Jesus is not God protecting us from God, which is a major heresy. First John says, among every other passage on the subject, that the father sent Jesus because he loved every sinner, even his worst enemies.
I’ve never done anything super bad, but I have been fearful of God and His fiery wrath. Feared of being thrown into the lake of fire, condemnation. At 19 years old I was baptized and gave myself over to Him. I’m 21 now. ❤️🙏🏻
Keep at it with the strength the Lord provides
@@zarasocho3524 I have been. For 2 and a half years now. Still following God. ☺️🙏🏻❤️
@@katherineruppelius2580 praying Ephesians 3:16-19 for you @Katherine. Love from India.
@@zarasocho3524 I love you brother ❤️❤️❤️
Amen 🙏🏽
I have a rant, hopefully it ends up being coherent enough.
What annoys me is a select few Christians seem to think its their duty to embody a hateful attitude towards those who have yet to believe in Jesus. You see some of those street preachers who make threats to invoke a petty primitive fear in people, like a shotgun Christianity. "Convert now! God hates you because you're a sinner and if you don't oblige, you'll go to God's torture chamber where he will torture you forever in righteous fury!" To me, people like that lack a sober and holistic view of who God is, as was and is perfectly revealed in Jesus. Their problem is not new, its an ancient problem, and Jesus completely condemned that attitude in the pharisees. I've heard testimonies of people who were like that and changed, and when they would reflect back on their heart when behaving that way, they said they had no love in their hearts.
Jesus came to save, not to put the world under judgment, because we're already under condemnation by being separate from him. He told us to follow his example, and he commanded us not to condemn others, but to receive his righteous spirit and share the love and holiness of God.
My view of hell, is that its a place where God isn't. I get a pretty good picture of what hell is when I imagine earth without God's presence, and is where people go who want the absence of God. I believe hell is a place of privation, agony and torment. Its a privation of all things good, including hope and love. I view it like a prison, where people deceive one another and tear each other apart in every way, all in the name of self-worship.
@Dan Sutton Where did he say that?
@Dan Sutton I just came across this guy just now. Dont be a dick.
@@KlaustheViking Don't worry about Dan. Are you christian?
@@User-hy6ur I am.
@@KlaustheViking Awesome. Are you asking when Mcarthur said taking the mark is redeemable?
Thought I was gonna be triggered, but this is actually pretty solid
Angry, but merciful and kind to a sincere heart that turns to Him and away from a constant sinful lifestyle.. and instead, seeks the Savior and lives to promote the Kingdom of God 👑
I'm not even a calvinist and I have a ton of respect for R.C Sproul. My hope is that he's joyfully singing praises to our God who mightily saved him right now in heaven, in the presence of the Lamb.
Same here
Why he talks out of both sides of His mouth especially on this subject
@@victorcritelli5790 Sarcasm...
@@marukchozt6744 Sarcasm? what are you talking about,
Maybe you don't listen to too many of these guys sermons but I came out of Calvinism and heard many sermons of How Christ Died for all he loves everyone a propitiation for the whole world only to find later and in other sermons they say the opposite
They are not being sarcastic but speaking the language of the serpent
These men live in contradictions and they don't even blush about it
they are soo comfortable even have sayings like preach like and Armenian and doctrine like a calvinist sick very sick
@@victorcritelli5790 Well, that’s nuanced. I think I’ve listened to them enough regarding this issue and indeed, they do live in a contradiction because the flesh and the spirit are both present in the life of a believer, as Paul labors. We are still sinful, but we are now able to resist sin with our new life, though not perfectly. Martin Luther labors this point also that the life of a believer is paradoxically, simultaneously just and sinful at once. These men don’t preach sin nor a sinful way of life. They acknowledge the reality of it and reminds true believers the comfort of their salvation at hand, that they may return to the father and repent of their sins without the fear of the death of judgement.
"I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me" (Proverbs 8:17) "And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands"(2 John 1:6)
Commands: Love God, love thy neighbor, love thy enemies.
It's all very simple: reject Jesus and you are rejecting Gods love he is offering you. Accept Jesus and you are accepting Gods love. There is no middle ground no matter how much some may hope there to be one. God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. This is God offering his love to us. If we do not accept His terms and accept His Son the only thing left is his wrath. If you are outside of Christ you are lost and without hope and outside the love of God.
And you are rejecting Gods will for us when you reject Jesus.
Brother Stacy wait, that confuses me. So did Jesus die to save all men or just some upon a precondition? Don’t take that as argumentative, just curious.
@@jtbtdlkt2012
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 KJV
Pray and study the verse context. God bless you
@@jtbtdlkt2012 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him (that is Jesus) should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
rita symons “I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;”
JOHN 17:9
Is it possible that John 3:16 is a descriptive verse rather than prescriptive?
Father, thank You for Your everlasting love beyond our short comings. “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.” (1 John 4:10) Thanks be unto God! Hallelujah ❤️💗❤️❤️💕❤️💗
God doesn’t send anyone to hell. Man sends himself to hell by not believing in Jesus Christ.(John 3:18)
God’s Love is unconditional. Don’t believe self righteous nonsense. It is the goodness of God that causes people to respond to him, not fear of Him.
No. this is not self righteous nonsense. You just want to go on believing that being good gets you into heaven, It does not. Also, you can respond to God and still be wicked because we are all wicked on a daily. We all fall short. God hates unrepentance and rebellion. Your statement is one of rebellion. He will forgive only if there is Godly sorrow and a turn from sin. Most people say they love God but their is no fruit of the spirit. I'd rather be righteous though Christ and run towards the narrow path than believe that God loves me no matter what. God says he will spit us out of his mouth in the end for that belief. read the bible.
@@cindyortiz4552 1 John 4:8 “Whoever does not LOVE does not know God, because God is love. When you don’t fear God, you will know Him because perfect love casts out ALL fear. Your still filled with fear of a “conditional”, tormenting pagan God created by the ancient Roman church. Read the real, earliest known manuscripts, today’s bibles are mistranslations with inserted words by the Latin scribes to foster the turn or burn gospel. You are a religious slave that needs to be set free sister. Much love to you and may the father give you His eyes to see with, and pure love that will set you free of endless religious and ritual works.
Peace
If you think about it from a parent child perspective, a parent may always love the child, but there are times where the parent "detests" the child. There appears to be an overarching love from God towards all men but that doesn't negate his other feelings towards them. That said, God loves us too much to leave us in the state he finds us when we come to Him :)
why would you think of it in "a parent child perspective" instead of through the lens of scripture. trying to understand God based off what you would do in His shoes makes for poor theology.
@@wnburns1076 Because the parent child relationship is expressly stated in scripture, even going as far as comparing God's love for us with a parent's love for a child.
Why else would He say we cry out to him Abba if He didn't expect us to make the connection with our earthly parents.
My point also didn't need a parent child relationship metaphor, but it fits. Basically God is love but love is not God. IOW, love is not the only characteristic of God. He is also just and holy and has other "emotions", such as anger(righteous anger but still anger).
@Order Power If you don't want God in this life...why would you want Him in the next? Plus there is the whole thing about breaking countless laws, which have consequences. If I'm pulled over for speeding, I can't say "hey, i don't believe in you police officer so let me go".
God literally died...literally died on this Earth so we wouldn't have to spend eternity without Him. Not sure what else he could have done .
@Order Power Then there is no justice in God? come on the scriptures teach God is just. You are looking at it in a humanistic point of view.
I am fully convinced that God loves those who choose to separate themselves from Him.
His salvation and His blessings are not unconditional, but His love surely is.
Without freewill love would not be true.
Love does not force it's own way.
God takes no pleasure in those who perish.
Daniel James Quartararo so you’re saying God’s wrath and his discipline are equal? I think his discipline is upon those he loves, but his wrath is upon those he hates.
More people need to read Jonah and realize the story isn’t about a fish, it’s about God’s love for the multitude who were lost and even in Jonah’s eyes a lost cause
Daniel James Quartararo Music “without free will love would not be true”, is this scriptural or through philosophy?
@@jtbtdlkt2012 its scriptural. Without free will your a robot incapable of making any choices and or entering in any relationships. Your truly a meat ball with puppet strings and even this very conversation is not of my own writing and your thoughts and reaction to it is all not your own.
Jon Cross yeah but we’re talking about two different friends here friend. I don’t reject free will, rather when I talk about man being incapable-in and of himself-of making a choice to love God first, then I’m talking about will within the nature of a creature (or creaturely will). A for instance, you are perfectly free to grab a child and boil it for food, you can overpower the kid and nobody is stopping you (all things being equal), BUT it is absolutely outside of your nature to do this...I imagine even if you were dying of hunger you would not even entertain the notion.
A rabbit, if locked in a cage and two bowls were placed in front of it (lettuce and raw meat), the nature of the rabbit’s will would dictate it’s choice. A lion, even if starved and you placed in a cage with only a bowl of veggies, it’s nature would sooner let it die than freely choose that food. Man, in his natural state, is like those animals, in that when given a choice that he is free to act upon, will never choose God; Why not? Because He is incapable, in his natural state, of pleasing God (Romans 8:7-8). It’s truly a humbling thing to realize that you had no part to play in your salvation, the choice was made by God Himself in eternity past; man talk about grace! Now don’t get me wrong, I know that assaults the sensibilities of man because it crushes the last vestige of pride to understand that even the choice to love God was only made possible because He first loved you...I don’t think I’m wrong here but if I am then please help me to understand.
God's love is unconditional but He is also Holy.
whats ur argument, or did you just not watch the video
@@infinitefather I watched the video... What I am saying is that God's love is unconditional. He's clearly mixing up Holiness with Love. You think God hates Satan or any of his creatures who sin against him? His Holiness is a different matter it is what causes him to be fair and just and righteous and if he goes against his Holiness he cannot be God. If God's love is not unconditional why would he die for sinners who he knows would choose against him and go to Hell?? Why didn't he just die for some instead of all? It's our decision to not love God back that keeps us away from him, God continues to love.
@@jordandavis3867 God is Father to us.. imagine a dad love his kids, is it because the kids give him something? No.. but normal dad want his kid / son to be good in this world, to be save, because he love, so God version is much more if we are human can love our son or daughter no matter what.. God is more.. what do you think?
@@ianiskandar4165 Hey bro! I agree bless God for your comment it's powerful!
@@jordandavis3867 glad this helps.. God bless you brother.. Love from Indonesia.. Happy new year 🙏🏼
Holyspirit will convince people of "sin, righteousness, and judgment" (John 16:8).
This is what needs to be preached!
BUT!
saying Gods love is 'not unconditional' is saying that Gods love IS conditional. If that's true, on what condition did you deserve Gods love?
I agree. God IS Love.
God's love is not quantitatively conditional - no amount of service, religious striving, repeating of prayers, keeping of the Law, in short no merit of out own does anything with regard to our salvation. Our works don't make us more righteous.
God's love is qualitatively conditional in that it is dependent on our relationship with Him through Christ. Trusting in Christ as our sin-substitute, trusting in Him as our living hope, trusting in Him to be our advocate, trusting in Him for our forgiveness... in essence having a living relationship with Him through prayer as our lifeline for everything is the only "condition" necessary for salvation.
@@Winchester1973 condition for salvation is not the same as condition for his love
No guys what they mean here is that believers are under a different Love than what sinners are.
Not too sure about that tho but its something to meditate, pray and read on. Get your own revilation.
@Redeemed I dont get it, whats your point?
God is Love. He can’t help but Love us! Gods love is unconditional but that doesn’t mean He will allow us to live in His presents forever no matter what we do.
Hence a condition
God is also Holy, you cannot seperate Holiness from Love thus perfect Love (Agape) needs to hate evilness and you cannot hate the acts withowt the one who does it. You will not understand the gospel withowt understanding from Who you are saved from. And no we are not saved from the Love of God but by His righteous wrath on mankind, withowt understanding this there is no gospel.
For the Child of God, His love is complete because God is important and who He is, not sin.
For the sinner, the love of God is a war making love against sin.
This is to set the sinner free and make him experience God's love as a son.
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. - Romans 5:10
And stuff taught in this video is the reason I left the church years ago. I got saved out of fear. God isn't about fear, but God is love.
God is love and love is just and therefore must judge sin which is contrary to love. "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments" (1 Jn. 5:2). If we do not love others by keeping His commandments we will be judged for not loving as He loves. In other words, because God is love He is to be feared by those who do not love which is evident by their disobedience. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb. 10:31). Not for the just, but the unjust. Christ says in Matthew 10:28, “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” "For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience (Eph. 5:5-6). "That all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thess. 2:12). People leave the church primarily because they love their sin more than they love God. If that is the case with you, you should indeed fear the God of love who must necessarily judge the sin of not loving God and neighbor by disobedience to His word (Jn. 14:21).
@@TheWSYNkatevy153 I am very much aware of the verses you refer to but I believe you are taking them out of context. “I will never leave thee nor forsake thee” is also found in Deuteronomy 31:6; Joshua 1:5; 1 Chronicles 28:20. Basically the same expression is found in each of those places, and all of them contain the principle that though the faithful and obedient might face hardship or persecution they are to trust in the fact that He will never leave them nor forsake them. This has nothing whatsoever to do with not forsaking those who profess to be Christian yet walk in disobedience to His word. It is absolutely true that NOTHING can separate the true Christian from God's love. However, this must be understood in the context of the biblical description of what a true Christian is. One of the clearest is found in 1 John 3:9, 10, which says, “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.” To interpret those verses in the sense that God will love us and never forsake us irrespective of how we live, and many have, is to pervert the truth according to Scripture.
Thank you very much for the explanation of God's love. I now seem to understand the Benevolent, beneficent and salvific love. Gods love has really fallen in place now and I can teach others to understand that God's love is for everyone but not unconditional. Thanks a lot
Jesus said "he that believeth not is condemned already" (John 3:18). Only those who believe will have everlasting life (John 3:16) and they are the ones who are called the children of God (John 1:12). So right there, the condition is you have to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to escape the wrath of God.
leadlefthand amen
That scripture does not in anyway say that we earn Gods love. It dose not say we must believe to be SO God Can love us. It says we must believe to be Saved. So we must believe that God already LOVED US while we were yet sinners hence it is by GRACE that you are saved as Paul the apostle wrote. So there was no condition on Gods love. God loves because He IS LOVE not because we fullfull any condition. The condition of believing is for RECEIVING salvation NOT for earning anything. The subject matter in that scripture is salvation NOT LOVE.
I agree Tony i dont understand why so many mix salvation and Gods unconditional love.
Amen
leadlefthand what about Acts 2:38 Mark 16:16 1 Peter 3:21.
Even Satan believes and Trimble. You have to Hear, believe, confess, repent and be baptized into Christ for the remission of your sins. Don't just look at one scripture, look at all of them. If you truly have faith and believe, then you will have faith that baptism saves. Without that then you really didn't have faith
God does love us unconditionally. This does not mean he will pursue us unconditionally if we continually reject him.
Yep and near all of Gods promises are conditional too, God owes us nothing, its for us to make amends with Him and He s faithful and just to forgive us, cleanse us and upkeep His word and promises so much as we meet those conditions. Its called responsibility. God bless
God definitely loves each one of us unconditionally. Saved and unsaved he loves. Now this may not mean he accepts us unconditionally but his love for each one of his children is undoubtedly unconditional.
Jeff Furrow Don’t disagree with you one bit. Unfortunately that’s not what the Preachers in the video say. They’re pretty much saying that Gods love is not unconditional and that’s not true.
He loves His children, he gives mercy and blessings to the saved and unsaved(while on earth), that is true.
Sorry I missed your reply. I disagree with the preachers too. It’s not responsible.
God's love is unconditional, if it wasn't then He would not be God since He doesn't change and neither does His love for us which is unconditional
1 Peter 3:12, "For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil."
Does this sound unconditional???? Hmmmm...
not a chance.
There are SEVERAL scriptures like this in the Bible, too.
Remember... "For my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...",
"...study to show thyself approved..."
Lakisha Hammond “Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-8 ESV
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Lakisha Hammond God's love and hatred towards sin and towards sinners aren't mutually exclusive. He can still punish sinners and still love them. 1 Corinthians 13:6 "It does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth." Remember that love is perfect, and perfect means to lack nothing. If God's love was only towards a certain group of people, then it would not be perfect. He loves everyone, but His love can either be grace for some, and justice for others
Freed by Yeshua: this is a general statement not dealing with the love God has for people.
Freed by Yeshua: John 17:9"I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me.." and 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but for those who will believe in Me through their word;"
Otto Matts I never said that he loves believers and unbelievers in the same way. My point is that his love is unconditional, meaning that it doesn't depend on you meeting the conditions. Am I saying that we shouldn't love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength? Absolutely not, we should love him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. However, we must not forget that he loved us while we were yet sinners. God loves all, but that doesn't mean that he wont pour out his wrath for many on judgment day. God bless
When you are in the light. Nothing but waves and waves of love ❤️
Define Love Biblically according to propitiation and The description of Love by Paul
@@einarabelc5they explained it in the video
very true from the scriptures, though the difficulties in communicating this whole truth can be hard to overcome... I think the aspect of God's love and mercy and grace towards his people needs to be emphasized just as much as his wrath for the wicked
This is beautiful truth! A great antidote to most false doctrines today.
I don't think even Satan could have offered up a better reason for rejecting God than this panel. They have embraced emotionalism and the sinful methods and ideas of men and applied it to the Infinite One.
And it's kind of strange also because Jesus specifically in the Bible encourages us to even love our enemies, do good to those who hate us and despitefully uses us, so why wouldn't god love the sinner if he encourages us to even love our enemies??
There's no room for humor & laughter around this topic...but as we can see...they have a form of godliness, while denying the power thereof with their mixture of silly and sober...hell is ETERNAL!
Agape. First speaker is wrong, God does love Unconditionally. That is literally what AGAPE means. This does not mean acceptance of sin. Parents love children but hate things they do. Same principle. We are loved in spite of sin, not accepted in spite of it.
I was only 6 when my Dad passed away and because my Mum hardly spoke of him to me I do not remember anything about him nor know what kind of father her was. I would like to think that he did not use fear to draw me close to him.
I love the gospel. the whole gospel the whole truth. i love Jesus so much for is love and for his wrath. when you understand God in that way its truly an amazing feeling. God is good
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. PSALM 7:11
IF ye keep my commandments, ye shall ABIDE in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. JOHN 15:10
Where you see the word "if", it is always followed by a conditional statement.
Truth!
why is it so hard to love everyone is really the question why do we condemn and put people down or want to be right and just instead of merciful??
So sad that these fearmongers have deceived so many people about our Source and keep people under bondage. Actually they are saying that God is love and fear(absence of love) at the same time.
Love and acceptance are different things. God loving you means that God wants the best for you. It doesn’t mean that you don’t have to repent or that what you doing is awesome because you’re awesome as you are.
If feel that R.C. is strawmaning unconditional love.
When they say that parents love their kids unconditionality it doesn’t mean any wrong they do is great and peachy.
The Fundamentalist God loves us less than a parent. His God gives no second chances after death.
If my kid gets hooked on meth, I watch him steal from me, abuse me, wreck my home... but I love that kid. You know what I do? Do I frame him for murder and give him life in the big house with the rapists? Do I shoot him and say it was the just recompensation for my indignity? Do I immortalize him and put him in a padded room with an infinite supply of drugs? No!
I rat him out, and I bribe the judge into giving him 18 months instead of 6 (the amount of time it takes to heal as much as possible from meth addiction) and give him another chance at life.
Sure, detoxing from Meth is hell. It hurts. Meth replaces your ability to feel pleasure. But he will get better. He gets through the hell. Then I bribe someone into giving him a job and put him in a group home. I don't give up on him, even if he's hooked again and again, because I love him, and I'm rich enough to expend any amount of resources on him. If I love my kid, I don't stop till the day I die.
MacArthur's God throws his kid in the Big House to drop the soap every day. I'm not too dignified to take my kid's insults. I love him too much to give up on him, and justice will be served with each violation of the law the kid makes. But MacArthur's God's ego is infinite. His God pretends to humble himself as a man on earth while still holding his nose when pulling us out of the crack house of sin. MacArthur's God plays favorites and chooses which kid to give up on. MacArthur's God is not love.
R.I.P R.C. Sproul. You will be dearly missed!
After 30 years in fundamental Christianity I finally found the unconditional Love of God. And it had nothing to do with the dogma of an angry God or the fear of condemnation in Hell. I'm sorry, but, I now know beyond a shadow of doubt that the scare tactics and threat of condemnation is completely overshadowed by God's unconditional Love. And it is beyond comprehension. "If you say you love God and hate your brother, you are a liar" 1 John 1:20
God Does Love everybody and sent His son to die for all an He had the power to SAVE all.But many will not come to him.simple as that.
To say God's love is conditional is to say it can be earned, and that goes against Romans 5:8 and John 3:16. We can't earn His love neither can we repent of our own strength; it comes by His Spirit *in* us. He does the work! We love Him because he first loved *us* (1 John 4:19). He doesn't love us because we love Him. You got it backwards! Not the gospel!
Of course RC didn’t believe or teach works based salvation. Jeepers. I doubt or hope you don’t believe or espouse antinomianism. Not an “either or” argument. Both Rom 5:8 and Matthew 7: 15-20 are true (you will know them by their fruits). Conversion by true faith is always accompanied with godly repentance 2 Cor 7:10. “Conditional” in the sense of arguing against someone claiming that no change will be seen in a true believer’s life.
If God is real you are absolutely right God's love cannot be unconditional!
There ARE no conditions IN Christ!
Romans 6:23🎁⚘🤗😊🎁⚘
Mmmm
@Dead Planet He is saying that Eternal Life is a free gift.
@Dead Planet By definition a gift is something that you get free and if you want a vers look at Romans 3:24. Keeping the commandments is works and we are saved by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone in Christ ALONE (Ephisians 2:8-9, Galatians 5:4).
You need to look at verses in both the context of the chapter and overall book and historical context and to place them in the right dispensation to get the meaning. And repentence is just a change of mind, if repentence means to turn from your sins than God sinned 38 times in the Old Testament alone and NOWHERE in the Bible says to repent of your sins to be saved and Jesus never said that either.
And I don't want the law gone, I just don't want people to think that they can be saved by the Law. And I don't preache lawlessness, sin is awful and has bad consequences, it's just that for the saved person Hell isn't one of them.
God Bless.
There are conditions to be saved. Believing in christ.
@@dv4740 That's the 1 and only condition to be saved. Once Saved there's no conditions to keep it, it's FOREVER.
but i think gods wrath makes people more loving
if you preach to save someone from hell, thats kinda the ultimate act of love for a human
The elect of the Father are drawn to Jesus, who then fall upon Him in faith and trust. I didn't accept Jesus into my heart, I was chosen and drawn to the Son, and I cried out to Him to save me from damnation and my sin.
God is merciful loving and kind..patient with all mankind. He is patient because he wants that none should be lost / perish.
5:03 MacArthur's and Lawson's thumbs up 👍, priceless!!!
I might not believe in the 5 points of Calvinism, but when these servants of God our heavenly father speaks. I do listen. God bless them 🙏 ❤
Same here. I still have many unanswered questions regarding Calvinist theology, nevertheless, I have great respect for these men and their clear love for God.
God does love unconditionally and he also does forgive our sins, but what he doesn't do ... and this is the part preachers leave out ... he doesn't remove consequences for our sins.
So yes, God does not have conditions we have to meet in order to receive his love and in that context his love is unconditional.
However, under the condition of sinful behaviours, there are consequences and those God will not remove otherwise there would be nothing in place to change or modify sinful behaviours.
His love is unconditional, His salvation is not. There are conditions to salvation, but His love is available for all that choose to accept.
@@biblicalbacon exactly 👍
@@biblicalbacon So you don't believe what these 2 men said in the video? You do realize that you are fighting the inspired words of God that they quoted, showing that God hates some people.
Let me be blunt with you, you have conflated "unmerited" with "unconditional".
Hmmmm even though it's written clearly in scripture that the ALMIGHTY ONE abhors the wicked ...."abhor"....You say..."awww HE loves everyone unconditionally"
This is sheer madness and anyone who listens to you will be in danger because you are speaking completely opposite of what is actually written in scripture.
This is not a situation where you can construct who and what you want HIM to be...which so many have come to do in our society. ..to their own damnation...
This is a Being that has intelligence and power beyond your limited scope...
if it is stated that HE abhors the wicked...where do you place yourself (in reference to authority) to say/teach others something different? Do you not know that you will be held accountable for this?
In the matter of forgiveness....meaning to pardon...if you were truly forgiven for your sins....why then do you still suffer the consequences?....this is not being pardoned.
If the wages of sin is death. ..and Jesus paid the price .. .why then do Christians still die?
This alone should be a red flag.
@The world doesn't understand the power of jesus.... Why not? They understood it back then....lay hands on the sick and they shall recover...cast out demons....jesus didn't have tea and a conversation with the demon posessed or the ill...he said it...once...and it was done. Power?
What you are seeing is skilled communication ....Christianity preys on the hurting who are looking for hope...it preys on the broken dreams and sicknesses. ...and yet claimed Christians still commit suicide, are alcoholics, depressed, murderers, etc. It's a false hope...and it's sad. Jesus was not God...he was a man...and he said so many times. He was not GOD...but I know the ONE who is.
0:54 this actually just opened my eyes to make an effort to make a change in my life and god will see me and help me!
No god what is wrong with you people
Allow the Holy Spirit to take your life 💜
Hi Nick. Its been 3 years and I just wanted to see how you were doing. Have you found Christ?
@@ginajustiniano84 Yes there is a God and you should be grateful because if there was not you wouldn't exist either. Seek for Jesus with an open heart and you will find love, understanding and forgiveness. I pray that you do for the coming Kingdom of God is where you want to spend eternity.
"Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
Repentance. The Greek word metanoeo. Meta means change, and noeo means mind. It means to change your mind from trusting in what we do to save us, to trusting in what He did to save us. It means to go from unbelief to belief. To quit trusting our works to save us to His finished work to save us.
Someone with a brain at last
It doesn't mean change your natural mind... It means to die to your old natural mind and be given a brand-new mind in Jesus Christ inwardly and spiritually through repentance and faith... All those who are in Christ are a new creation... Old things have passed away... Behold All Things become new... 2 Corinthians 5
@@clarkkent3730 but if you can say your old self has passed away with arrogancy, confidence.. than its boasting about what you have done.. and i hate to break it you your still a sinnner.. An imperfect human like us all you havent been made perfect in love.. just because you are able to kick some sin doesnt mean you dont indulge in others...ever heard of pride? Greed? arrogance? judgmental? glutton? hypocrisy ?
its called growth
you are a new creation because of what christ did so sit down and shut up and humble yourself
God is loving, just repent, that's it
Rowlo Eightyeight that is not it. You also have to be baptized into Christ. Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38. Also obey all the commandments of Christ.
Wow! This video segment went right over your head.
Keith Archie over who's head?
Exactly. He's a loving God. Not vengeful one.
windstorm1000 , he's a loving God but he regretted creating humans. Genesis 6:6-7And the Lord was Sorry that He had made man on the earth, and he was grieved in his heart. So the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I had made them.
So your right he's loving, but he is a vengeful God. He loved us that he gave us his only begotten Son so we may be saved. But you have to show him you love him by obeying the Gospel. And I will give you a good advice. Read starting with Acts and you will find out what God expects from you.
I never had parents and when I did have my mother in my life it was filled with severe abuse. I never got that unconditional love EVERY CHILD NEEDS to grow healthy and normal. I need that unconditional love still. So instead of just BEING LOVED I have to exhaustingly and unbearingly work tirelessly to just HOPE God MIGHT accept me and love me back
God's love is unconditional, "in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us". He became man so that we could be rescued
MacArthur is a Calvinist. He only believes that Jesus died for some of us, unconditionally loving them, and unconditionally hates the rest of us. The condition is God's regeneration of our souls from the Original Sin that he had us born in, not our actions. When a Calvinist says we were "slaves to sin," he means "programmed to sin."
Whenever a Calvinist implies you can decide to approach God, he's straight-up lying. Their doctrine says that only those chosen to approach God do so, and can't do otherwise.
When a Calvinist says you "freely" do something, they mean you move "freely" like a wind-up toy. You can't steer yourself. God steers you to heaven or hell, and you roll onward with no control of your own mind or intentions.
@oron61 are you a Calvinist? God does not send any one to hell, we choose ourself to go there, “but God” is offering His Son, Jesus, so that we don’t have too. Just like a mother wants to protect her son/daughter from harm or from anything that would cause harm, same thing with God. Though we are not all God’s children still works the same.
@@aaronschoolfield7376 That's like saying you are shooting yourself by not complying when someone threatens you with a gun. Nobody chooses to be tortured forever, period. Hell is attached to other decisions, such as sin, or rejecting the atonement, not a chosen fate for itself.
Because the only one who wrote the law which attaches hell to another decision we make- is God, God is the one sending people to hell.
MacArthur believes the above, AND that the blood of the atonement is not actually offered to everyone. Calvinists believe that God rigidly chooses who will be saved, and thereby rigidly rejects the others, leaving them in the original sin he created them with in order to damn them. You can't call it a decision to go to hell if your will is bound and giving you no choice but to sin.
Calvin himself openly says that God arranged the fall of man (Institutes 3.23.7) and causes evil to happen.
MacArthur is lying to you.
@@oron61 The Law was never intended to send people to hell, it’s a school master to reveal our sinful nature so that we turn to God and accept His atoning work on the cross by Jesus Christ. Now John MacArthur is a hypercalvinist in salvation. I don’t agree with it at all. If God sent people to hell that would be unjust and God is just, Romans 7:12 “wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good”, “in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us”, if God sent us to hell then why are we not in hell right now? We deserve death hell and the grave, but Eph 2:4 “But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us”. We choose hell ourselves, period. Eph 2:3c “and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others”.
@@aaronschoolfield7376 "Where there is no law, there is no transgression." If we are children of wrath by nature, how can we be children of wrath by decision? That would mean that we decided to be evil before we were born that way.
If God doesn't send us to hell, who did Jesus tell us to fear, who can cast us into hell after destroying the body? We are not in hell right now, according to Augustinian theology, because the deadline of physical death hasn't been reached yet. For Augustine, we are born bad by nature and held guilty for what we cannot help. We embraced that in the Dark Ages when we forgot the Greek Language and only knew Latin, which Augustine wrote, while the Greek Church had many other theologians for consensus, not just Jerome and Augustine.
God is kind, generous and gracious, but also a perfectly just Judge.
Riiiiiiight...'cause eternal hell is just LOL
If God's love is conditional on me, what standard of holiness do I use to work on myself to be sure that God loves me because of me?
If God is angry towards us and hates you us so much, how come He could still kindly give up His Only Son to be a sin sacrifice for our sins?
if God don't have a unconditional maybe going back 2016 years ago Jesus Christ didn't die to pay every SIN that we are carried even on our present time right now God give a son for everyone no matter who you are no matter what you are God love us unconditional (agape)
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Untrue. His love is unconditional to those who are *in* Christ. If His love is unconditional to all then there is no consequence for sin. Which means there is no hell. Which means the Bible is a lie and Jesus' sacrifice (the Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep) doesn't mean anything. Agape is sacrificial love. There is no sacrifice if God loves everyone despite their wanton rebellion against Him.
he have been shown me the love that people need that's why I believe .sorry for you if you can't appreciate and understand the world . I know why I'm leaving and continue breathing because I do seeking his name. unconditional love in not impossible to have just love and resist the madness in your heart . and about that consequences in our second death don't be so ignorant obviously it just pushing us to be afraid and fear the sin .
Yes that's exactly what I thought. It was a little bit confusing, because after this video I heard Paul Washer preaching about God's unconditional love. But he was speaking about christians.
First we define that "unconditional election" is not the same as "unconditional love". Second, bible spoke also about those whom God hated.
"God's love is unconditional" -- it is God's character.
"God gave the conditions for transform to his image". -- It is desire of God
Finally,
God is conditions God, but not conditional God
Thank you
I believe God's love is unconditional but dwelling with His spirit is not.
None of us can separate ourselves from His love.
Those who die without Christ will indeed be separated from His love for all of eternity. Why anyone would find comfort in believing that God still loves them as He is casting them into the lake of fire, Rev. 20:15, is inexplicable to me.
God's unconditional love has completely healed my heart. They are equivocating terms for the sake of being dramatic I think
If God never loved the sinner he would never had sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins
Pretty much as Sproul and MacArthur say here, the Bible NEVER says that God's love is unconditional. Sure, His love is steadfast and a sure foundation toward those who believe in Him, but even for believers, the Bible never says "unconditional." That's a modern psychology concept, loving someone regardless of what they do. Maybe family members or other people should love each other in a way that's similar to "unconditional", but again, people are going to offend each other and will need to apologize (repent of the offense) and the offended party will exercise forgiveness toward the offender (See Luke 17:3-4). But in reference to God, Bible knows the love of God in a way that is far greater than this term "unconditional."
I wish someone would show this video to Greg Laurie and Harvest Crusade. They preach the most diluted Gospel EVER!. God bless R.C Sproul,and MacArthur for having the backbone to preach the TRUTH!
God is smiling at us. On our best day we are the righteous of God. On our worst day we are the righteous of God. That’s because Christ gave us righteous not our own efforts
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God’s love is presented as an unconditional gift on earth. Ezekiel 18:23 says, “have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? Says the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways and live?” But it can still be a difficult line to draw at times.
Lord I come to you in fear and trembling.
You sir have completely left out the Finished Work of Jesus the savior on the cross. Gods wrath was satisfied then .Jesus either bore all the Fathers wrath ,bore all the sin of the world and nailed it all to that cross or He did nothing and we are all on our own,,as you men must admit! No amount of goodness,character change or external showmanship will ever inter into the family of God. Just simple faith and belief in the saving Grace of Jesus Christ ,the Son !
Thank you ever so much that really clears my understanding unconditional love. You have no idea appreciated and the wisdom I just came from this panel. Thanks again and shalom!
pastors teach all that say the sinners prayer go to heaven because God loves you unconditionally. Have you ever heard a pastor say you MAY go to heaven. nope. JESUS said "Not everyone that says "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom, but he that DOES the will of my Father in heaven." Jesus closes with depart from me you who act as if I never gave you a law to obey, I never knew you. Clearly His "unconditional love" wont keep the unrepentant from hell.
R Lyle do u think He will forgive me if I repent from living like this
Waiting to say the prayer called the sinners prayer myself everyday, is like waiting to explain our to our horse put on the bridal my horse has its own mind and controlling it is a whole lot harder in those horse and buggy days gone by. Well I'll be darn, god can love us unconditionally from above existentially, but we can even love our neighbor conditionally. My total attitude is that which we speak is relative when we speak of liberty or love, it has to have a bridal on it. Otherwise it is fanaticism.
If you guys had a problem with what these gentlemen said, then I think you folks misunderstood their explanations. Now although they didn't speak much on the love of God, they didn't diminish His love towards people. His dying on the cross experience was clearly a demonstration of His love, romans 5:8. However, you guys need to understand context. Don't simply pick and choose bible verses to try to make your point because then what your verse may be directing may loose its meaning. God loves the world, John 3:16. But understand that this verse also says "whoever believes in Jesus shall not perish." God loves the world, and in showing so He gave his only begotten Son, why? So we would believe in Him and be saved. But whoever doesn't believe in Him WILL PERISH. His wrath is on people who don't believe in Him, romans 1:18. The Bible clearly states here that His wrath is on the wicked people. So apart from Christ the only thing that remains in you is His wrath. People don't get saved because they realize they were on their way to heaven, they were on their way to hell, Matthew 25:46. Now although His wrath is on people, He's still patient with them wanting them to repent, 2 peter 3:9. But if we don't repent, we perish. And as they keep denying Him, they're His enemies, Romans 5:10. With Christ I have peace with God, romans 5:1. The only reason why I have peace with Him is because I'm in Christ. And because I'm in Christ I entered into this grace, Romans 5:2. And he basically treats us as if I'm His Son because I'm in Him. Now that I enter in Him I'm righteous, 2 Corinthians 5:21. But ONLY because I'm in Him. The reason I'm saved is because our atonement Jesus bore our sins on the cross and suffered "the wrath of God." He drank from the cup of God's wrath. And so my sins are atoned for because they were crucified with Him. What these men were trying to say is that people who typically say "God loves you unconditionally," usually make people think they don't have to die to sin, and that's wicked. The love of God should be explained with detail. God has killed people solely for their sins because He hated them, Hosea 9:15. Conclusion: If you're not in Christ, He's gracious and merciful and is offering you to believe in Christ today. If you're not interested, His wrath remains in you. And although you may live a good life, you won't be fulfilled and ultimately the road you're in will lead you to destruction.
Agree,, some people don't realize that God's love is conditional because of man's condition.
They only see God as a loving God,, but they missed to see His anger and justice toward sin..
While I recognize what you say has the potential to be true, at most its only what you believe. The bible is just as fallible as you and I are, so it is not a reliable authority on how things really are. I understand that the bible is the governing text of the Christian faith, so to Christians it is an absolute authority, but to everyone else who isn't Christian the bible is not definitive proof. Like any religious texts one must first have faith that the text is true, and faith is not the same as fact.
Many have just as much reason to believe God's love is unconditional. Be it from texts other than the bible, first-hand experiences of meeting God (yes, there are many who claim they have spoken/met God), and/or because the Holy Spirit has confirmed to them this truth. But like I said, these people have just as much potential to be true as anybody else, but like you, they can be wrong.
Sadly Christianity is one of many religions who claim that if people don't follow them (before a certain time) then they will be eternally damned. This is basically trying to scare people into believing in their religion, which we know is not a healthy way (or loving way) to base a religion off of. Which is why so many people have a hard time with certain versions of Christianity.
valegorn a curtain version or truthful version. Lets just water it down to make it palatable. Because we cant handle the truth.
I can't find one scripture that says it's the reprimand of God that leads men to repentance, but there is "Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" Romans 2:4 You know what changed me? getting a revelation of the love of God, it broke me, it let me receive the grace of God for transformation in my life, and I stand here today a FORMER drug dealer, porn addict, womanizer, lier, angry frustrated person, because the love and goodness of God exposed the lie, so TRUTH can manifest.
The Reformed believers confuse God's love with His fellowship. He does commend His love towards all men and women without condition, or else no one would have ever been saved. God does however place very certain conditions on sharing His fellowship with men.