I loved what Camouflaj did with Crane. They retroactively made him the subtle big bad of the Arkham series who initially worked in the system to unleash the inmates' shadows & (in)directly led to them being villains. This is what I hoped out of Strange in Arkham City & it now makes his defeat in Knight much more cathartic imo.
Exactly in fact Arkham Shadow really makes me hate Crane way more then Arkham Aslyum and even Arkham Knight it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Killer Croc leaving only his damage face and his ending in Arkham Knight a lot more deserving and satisfying for his actions in Shadow.
Scarecrow taking Hugo Strange’s job at blackgate is really interesting, because it’s clear when you go into Stranges former office in game that he didn’t really clean up after himself and all of his experiments and equipment were left behind. There’s a straight up torture chamber left in there. I think it’s highly probable that Craine saw all of this (Or Harley told him what her predecessor was like. It was probably both) and he figured out that Strange was preparing for a war against crime/Batman and he was using criminals as test subjects for his game (something that Craine was obviously inspired by). He obviously didn’t know everything about Stranges plan but he knew enough to evade capture from Tyger, operate both inside and outside of Arkham city and stay hidden during protocol 10. If Arkham city was a chess game between Strange and Bruce: Scarecrow was able to predict the chess openings that the 2 sides would use and use that knowledge to his advantage so he could survive and challenge the victor.
8:37 You can find a picture of his first wife on his desk in Arkham Origins. As for what happens after that, it's confirmed that like the comics they divorced and Jim remarried to detective Sarah Essen because in Arkham City the code officer Elvis Jones tells Batman Gordon gave them was "Sarah" which is an obvious reference to her.
There's also the whole thing Gordon having Lancelot syndrome that Harvey Bullock mentions on the extortion files in Arkham Origins as a way of subjugating Gordon.
Scarecrow's toxin in the comics, on the other hand, helped Batman get laid, a few times. Seriously. In Dark Detective, he and Silver St. Cloud were high on fear gas and had sex in the Batcave, to feel safer (while she had a fiancé). And in The Brave and the Bold 197, Batman married and had a daughter with Selina because he faced his fear of being alone, which the toxin had revealed.
Yayyyy I love seeing more arkham shadow content since I can’t play this game. Cool that the question is in the game and honestly he would work so well in these games. That’s so cool to get another Martian manhunter reference . Scarecrow being the true villain of this series is so correct he’s responsible for sm.
Anarky and the question talking is a great deep cut reference. If you don’t know originally the question was created by Ditko and based on objectivist principles ( O’Neil fixed him later). Anarky ( at least the later part of his run) was also based on objectivism principles.
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Let's not forget that with Crane as head of the rehabilitation dept. he would have had access to ALL the prisoners put in Blackgate during Origins. This includes people like; Croc who seemed like a big scaly mob enforcer in that game but in city he's a cannibalistic psychopath who's more animal than man (the animal being his Shadow), Mad Hatter whose psyche seemed to be MUCH worse in City and Knight comparatively to Origins (proceeds to use men, children, and even Batman to play "Alice"), and even Joker himself who was treated by Harley using the program Crane had employed to bring Joker's Shadow out (he literally experiences the same hallucinogenic dream sequence down to almost the exact same Shadow Batman that Batman sees, because they both see Batman as a killer and that is the manifestation of his killer instinct, only in Origins Joker projects that onto the night Batman tried to save his life from the vat).
This needs to be remastered into a full blown Arkham PS5 XBox game. The more I learn is in this game it's upsetting we got Suicide Squad instead of this on the main consoles
Joker may be Batman’s greatest nemesis, but he’s never really the “main” villain. As Dent said in TDK, “The Joker’s just a mad dog.” He’s chaos. Some utilize that chaos, but it never goes well for them.
You can make the argument that the joker was the main villain for Batman himself the same could be said for Scarecrow while Strange and Ra’s al Ghul given their actions in city starting with origins Based on the recordings tapes themselves are the real true Overarching villains of the franchise given their actions within the game. But in terms of simplicity you could say that, Joker, scarecrow, strange, and Ra’s al Ghul were the real main villains of the franchise as a whole!
I've always loved seeing more Arkham Shadow content. It's so awesome that the question is in the game and definitely would work very well in these games 💯❤️🎮🕹️
I really loved how this game recontextualises Two-Face's origin in such a clever way as they were very careful with what lore they established in previous Arkham games and used said small details to make this very compelling take on Two-Face's origin as the Rat King and his and Harvey's brotherly bond with Bruce Wayne. It is also crazy to think that Scarecrow played a substantial role in creating multiple Batman villains like Two-Face, Harley Quinn, Ventriloquist, and Poison Ivy (?); it really makes his build-up as the main villain of Arkham Knight feel a lot more earned. BTW, the amount of hidden details in this game really is cool to see, especially since I never knew there were references to The Question, Martian Manhunter, James Gordon Jr and Peyton Riley.
The Question is one of my favorite heroes and I love that he is in the Arkham verse now. I suggest reading the run by Dennis O’Neil for anyone who is interested in the character.
something i found interesting in arkham knight is after talking to harvey in the gcpd , joker will say that harvey is at least halfway interesting thanks to batman. direct quote "Oh, Bats, you just bring out the best in everyone! Your enemies, your friends- even your bestest frenemies like Harv, here: he's at least halfway interesting these days, and it's all thanks to you" showing batmans guit for turning harvey into two-face from arkham shadow although the devs of knight never knew the rat king storyline would be created.
12:09 When you mentioned how there is one Scarface puppet, you showed the clip from Arkham Knight that says the one in GCPD lockup isn’t the original and is a Joker knock-off which means there is definitely more than one Scarface puppet
In the comics Gordon’s ex-wife (Barbara & Jr. mother) leaves for some reason I can’t remember which leads to Gordon getting remarried to his new wife Sarah which she is mentioned in City, so I’m assuming James Gordon Jr. becomes that psychopath and Joker probably kills Sarah which is why Gordon says Barbara is the only family he has left.
Also I just wanted to say that Elijah Wood did an amazing job as Dr Crane (plus he sounded a lot like dino andrade who voices the scarecrow in Arkham Asylum.) I think he would be great as a live action Scarecrow/Crane in either in James Gunn's DCU Batman story or more likely in Matt Reeves's The Batman 2?
Scarecrow didn’t ruin Batman’s legacy. His legend is still intact and Crane lost in front of the camera. If he ever recovers from Arkham Knight, everyone will make fun of him by being beaten by his own toxin
11:55 I know you don't consider it canon but if it means anything, in the SS:KTJL tie-in comic "Kill Arkham" Arnold Wesker is shown to be alive and receives Scarface again before being accidentally killed during a riot.
Get what you’re saying here but it’s also worth saying outside of what you head canon as canon those comics are barely canon to just SSKTJL like there’s things in those comics that are contradicted by the game so I think we just have to assume like most Arkham tie in comics they aren’t really canon.
I hope all new Arkham games take place between Arkham Shadow and Arkham Asylum. There's so much that can be explored then something after Arkham Knight.
Not gonna Arkham Shadow really makes me hate Crane way more then Arkham Aslyum and even Arkham Knight it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Killer Croc leaving only his damage face and his ending in Arkham Knight a lot more deserving and satisfying for his actions in Shadow.
So i have a question, is kill the justice league not being canon stated by any of the companies that own the franchise and actually control the cannon like rocksteady or wb? Or is it just that the community doesnt like it so we dont consider it canon? The reason i ask is that there were a ton of people back in the day saying that origins isnt canon and then knight and now shadow confirm that it is.
Do you ever feel like when you play in Arkham City as Batman and there's like no music and it's just the ambience of the city and all the thugs and inmates talking do you ever feel like you're getting stalked in that game cuz I have that feeling a lot when I play it
Why tf isn’t Martian man hunter in sstktjl? Also do you think the John jones on the white board in Arkham knight is another Easter egg towards Martian man hunter or is that someone completely different? I thought it was a different spelling traditionally.
Yes I get why people don’t want it to be canon but we have to treat it as canon especially for theorising the studio currently treats it as canon so any Easter eggs and references in that can and should be factored in to theory’s. E.g. James Gordon Jr yes he’s referred in shadows but outside of knowing the comics (not a reliable way to theorise as these games have always been very different to the comics) we would have no idea if he becomes a killer in this world but because of SSKTJL we know he does and that the character is clearly in the mind of developers and writers meaning we might see him in a future thing
I genuinely disagree on Scarecrow being the "real villain" due to him creating those villains. The point of Batman villains are that most of them were turned that way either because of batman, society, or no reason at all. The fact that some of the villains were made by Scarecrow makes those villains 1 dimensional
Scarecrow is a unique villain tho. He focuses a lot on concepts like id and fears which is the reason why villains are villains in the first place. I don't think this steals from other characters and just makes Scarecrow's views stronger
@@umtic If those "concepts" and fears are acutally a thing to put into their minds, wouldn't that make those villains who stayed like that for years be 1 dimensional?
@@MrAnt728 it's not a thing he puts to their minds. they are already there, he just makes them easier to come out, believing people obeying their instincts would be better for them. Crane didn't make Arnold commit a crime or Harvey lash out at a defendant. They probably would have become villains anyway, he just accelerated the process
I loved what Camouflaj did with Crane. They retroactively made him the subtle big bad of the Arkham series who initially worked in the system to unleash the inmates' shadows & (in)directly led to them being villains. This is what I hoped out of Strange in Arkham City & it now makes his defeat in Knight much more cathartic imo.
Exactly in fact Arkham Shadow really makes me hate Crane way more then Arkham Aslyum and even Arkham Knight it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Killer Croc leaving only his damage face and his ending in Arkham Knight a lot more deserving and satisfying for his actions in Shadow.
Wait I didn’t think of that one, yeah it makes a lot of sense if Scarecrow created the other villains
Scarecrow taking Hugo Strange’s job at blackgate is really interesting, because it’s clear when you go into Stranges former office in game that he didn’t really clean up after himself and all of his experiments and equipment were left behind. There’s a straight up torture chamber left in there. I think it’s highly probable that Craine saw all of this (Or Harley told him what her predecessor was like. It was probably both) and he figured out that Strange was preparing for a war against crime/Batman and he was using criminals as test subjects for his game (something that Craine was obviously inspired by). He obviously didn’t know everything about Stranges plan but he knew enough to evade capture from Tyger, operate both inside and outside of Arkham city and stay hidden during protocol 10. If Arkham city was a chess game between Strange and Bruce: Scarecrow was able to predict the chess openings that the 2 sides would use and use that knowledge to his advantage so he could survive and challenge the victor.
8:37 You can find a picture of his first wife on his desk in Arkham Origins. As for what happens after that, it's confirmed that like the comics they divorced and Jim remarried to detective Sarah Essen because in Arkham City the code officer Elvis Jones tells Batman Gordon gave them was "Sarah" which is an obvious reference to her.
There's also the whole thing Gordon having Lancelot syndrome that Harvey Bullock mentions on the extortion files in Arkham Origins as a way of subjugating Gordon.
The true villain was us the players for giving the enemies brain damage and probably ptsd.
Straight up facts Peter
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Would you rather take down criminals ethically or epically
Batman beats up poor people - idiot who doesn’t read Batman
We all know that the true villain in the Arkham universe is the one and only: GothamPaladin.
I’ll take it honestly
19:15 I will always see Scarecrow as Batman's secondary archenemy if Joker is not on the scene.
Either him, Riddler, or Penguin
“Maybe the real villain was the friends we made along the way” 🤪🤪🤪
Arkhamverse Scarecrow ain't just a villain to Batman but Gotham itself.
Scarecrow's toxin in the comics, on the other hand, helped Batman get laid, a few times. Seriously. In Dark Detective, he and Silver St. Cloud were high on fear gas and had sex in the Batcave, to feel safer (while she had a fiancé). And in The Brave and the Bold 197, Batman married and had a daughter with Selina because he faced his fear of being alone, which the toxin had revealed.
Damn Scarecrow being a good wingman 😅😂
I’ll have what he’s having 😂😅
"you can see his hot wife" lol
Yayyyy I love seeing more arkham shadow content since I can’t play this game. Cool that the question is in the game and honestly he would work so well in these games. That’s so cool to get another Martian manhunter reference . Scarecrow being the true villain of this series is so correct he’s responsible for sm.
Anarky and the question talking is a great deep cut reference. If you don’t know originally the question was created by Ditko and based on objectivist principles ( O’Neil fixed him later). Anarky ( at least the later part of his run) was also based on objectivism principles.
The true villain will always be Harley Quinn for being there in the middle and the. Getting her undeserved win on Arkham Batman in that fan game.
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Let's not forget that with Crane as head of the rehabilitation dept. he would have had access to ALL the prisoners put in Blackgate during Origins. This includes people like; Croc who seemed like a big scaly mob enforcer in that game but in city he's a cannibalistic psychopath who's more animal than man (the animal being his Shadow), Mad Hatter whose psyche seemed to be MUCH worse in City and Knight comparatively to Origins (proceeds to use men, children, and even Batman to play "Alice"), and even Joker himself who was treated by Harley using the program Crane had employed to bring Joker's Shadow out (he literally experiences the same hallucinogenic dream sequence down to almost the exact same Shadow Batman that Batman sees, because they both see Batman as a killer and that is the manifestation of his killer instinct, only in Origins Joker projects that onto the night Batman tried to save his life from the vat).
This needs to be remastered into a full blown Arkham PS5 XBox game. The more I learn is in this game it's upsetting we got Suicide Squad instead of this on the main consoles
Joker may be Batman’s greatest nemesis, but he’s never really the “main” villain. As Dent said in TDK, “The Joker’s just a mad dog.”
He’s chaos. Some utilize that chaos, but it never goes well for them.
You can make the argument that the joker was the main villain for Batman himself the same could be said for Scarecrow while Strange and Ra’s al Ghul given their actions in city starting with origins Based on the recordings tapes themselves are the real true Overarching villains of the franchise given their actions within the game.
But in terms of simplicity you could say that, Joker, scarecrow, strange, and Ra’s al Ghul were the real main villains of the franchise as a whole!
I've always loved seeing more Arkham Shadow content. It's so awesome that the question is in the game and definitely would work very well in these games 💯❤️🎮🕹️
I really loved how this game recontextualises Two-Face's origin in such a clever way as they were very careful with what lore they established in previous Arkham games and used said small details to make this very compelling take on Two-Face's origin as the Rat King and his and Harvey's brotherly bond with Bruce Wayne. It is also crazy to think that Scarecrow played a substantial role in creating multiple Batman villains like Two-Face, Harley Quinn, Ventriloquist, and Poison Ivy (?); it really makes his build-up as the main villain of Arkham Knight feel a lot more earned.
BTW, the amount of hidden details in this game really is cool to see, especially since I never knew there were references to The Question, Martian Manhunter, James Gordon Jr and Peyton Riley.
The Question is one of my favorite heroes and I love that he is in the Arkham verse now. I suggest reading the run by Dennis O’Neil for anyone who is interested in the character.
They did something a different with Scarecrow too. Instead of spraying people with fear toxin he was obsessed with bringing out people's dark sides.
something i found interesting in arkham knight is after talking to harvey in the gcpd , joker will say that harvey is at least halfway interesting thanks to batman. direct quote "Oh, Bats, you just bring out the best in everyone! Your enemies, your friends- even your bestest frenemies like Harv, here: he's at least halfway interesting these days, and it's all thanks to you" showing batmans guit for turning harvey into two-face from arkham shadow although the devs of knight never knew the rat king storyline would be created.
12:09 When you mentioned how there is one Scarface puppet, you showed the clip from Arkham Knight that says the one in GCPD lockup isn’t the original and is a Joker knock-off which means there is definitely more than one Scarface puppet
In the comics Gordon’s ex-wife (Barbara & Jr. mother) leaves for some reason I can’t remember which leads to Gordon getting remarried to his new wife Sarah which she is mentioned in City, so I’m assuming James Gordon Jr. becomes that psychopath and Joker probably kills Sarah which is why Gordon says Barbara is the only family he has left.
Also I just wanted to say that Elijah Wood did an amazing job as Dr Crane (plus he sounded a lot like dino andrade who voices the scarecrow in Arkham Asylum.) I think he would be great as a live action Scarecrow/Crane in either in James Gunn's DCU Batman story or more likely in Matt Reeves's The Batman 2?
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i think the true villain of the arkham universe is the friends we made along the way
Scarecrow didn’t ruin Batman’s legacy. His legend is still intact and Crane lost in front of the camera. If he ever recovers from Arkham Knight, everyone will make fun of him by being beaten by his own toxin
11:55 I know you don't consider it canon but if it means anything, in the SS:KTJL tie-in comic "Kill Arkham" Arnold Wesker is shown to be alive and receives Scarface again before being accidentally killed during a riot.
Get what you’re saying here but it’s also worth saying outside of what you head canon as canon those comics are barely canon to just SSKTJL like there’s things in those comics that are contradicted by the game so I think we just have to assume like most Arkham tie in comics they aren’t really canon.
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I hope all new Arkham games take place between Arkham Shadow and Arkham Asylum. There's so much that can be explored then something after Arkham Knight.
Not gonna Arkham Shadow really makes me hate Crane way more then Arkham Aslyum and even Arkham Knight it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Killer Croc leaving only his damage face and his ending in Arkham Knight a lot more deserving and satisfying for his actions in Shadow.
I do see Joker and Scarecrow being the Main Villains in this Universe
The question, hey that’s me
So i have a question, is kill the justice league not being canon stated by any of the companies that own the franchise and actually control the cannon like rocksteady or wb? Or is it just that the community doesnt like it so we dont consider it canon? The reason i ask is that there were a ton of people back in the day saying that origins isnt canon and then knight and now shadow confirm that it is.
I don't think there's been an official statement that Suicide Squad isn't canon so unfortunately it is.
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A Question video game in the Arkhamverse could be really interesting and work well (I’m imagining a mixture of Arkham gameplay and LA Noir
Do you ever feel like when you play in Arkham City as Batman and there's like no music and it's just the ambience of the city and all the thugs and inmates talking do you ever feel like you're getting stalked in that game cuz I have that feeling a lot when I play it
In the picture it's bat girl not martian man hunter I looked into this and found it was batgirl aka oracle
Maybe there wasn’t reference for Gordon jr maybe that why there in knight Gordon said Barbara was the only family
The true villain of this channel is ssktjl
Did the girl Marissa say Question figured out Batman was Bruce???
Is it still canon that from Arkham origins to Arkham Asylum that it is only about a decade or even less than that?
Why tf isn’t Martian man hunter in sstktjl? Also do you think the John jones on the white board in Arkham knight is another Easter egg towards Martian man hunter or is that someone completely different? I thought it was a different spelling traditionally.
Nah the real villan is riddler, everyone knows that.
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Do people consider ssktjl non-canon because of how bad it is?
Just looked it up and as far as I saw suicide squad kills the justice league is still canon so that is a lie and believe me I wish it was
Just cause you don't like KTJL doesn't make it not canon
7:46 you can see his hot wife 😂
SSKTJL is canon
Yes
I get why people don’t want it to be canon but we have to treat it as canon especially for theorising the studio currently treats it as canon so any Easter eggs and references in that can and should be factored in to theory’s. E.g. James Gordon Jr yes he’s referred in shadows but outside of knowing the comics (not a reliable way to theorise as these games have always been very different to the comics) we would have no idea if he becomes a killer in this world but because of SSKTJL we know he does and that the character is clearly in the mind of developers and writers meaning we might see him in a future thing
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I genuinely disagree on Scarecrow being the "real villain" due to him creating those villains. The point of Batman villains are that most of them were turned that way either because of batman, society, or no reason at all. The fact that some of the villains were made by Scarecrow makes those villains 1 dimensional
Scarecrow is a unique villain tho. He focuses a lot on concepts like id and fears which is the reason why villains are villains in the first place. I don't think this steals from other characters and just makes Scarecrow's views stronger
@@umtic If those "concepts" and fears are acutally a thing to put into their minds, wouldn't that make those villains who stayed like that for years be 1 dimensional?
@@MrAnt728 it's not a thing he puts to their minds. they are already there, he just makes them easier to come out, believing people obeying their instincts would be better for them. Crane didn't make Arnold commit a crime or Harvey lash out at a defendant. They probably would have become villains anyway, he just accelerated the process
@@umtic That wouldn't create them as villians tho, just enhance their motives since they were gonna turn villains anyway