I think a lot of people get too obsessed over the 285 / "33s" number. 285 vs 265 are just 20mm difference in width, 0.787". With a 275 it's even more difficult to see the difference unless you're sitting beside a truck with 285s and you're looking down the length of the truck. In any case, your wheel style with the Duratrac tread looked good man!
If you disabled the traction control and manual shift starting in 2nd gear when your 4 wheeling in sand. You’ll be able to get more power from your engine without it restricting you. Hold down the traction control button for 8 seconds to disable.
I run 285/70/r17 nitto grapplers with a 17x9 method double standard on a 2019 Toyota Tacoma with blistein 2 inch lift kit with Dakar rear leaf springs and Total Chaos Upper control arms, and with all the suspension work done to it, the truck rides better than when it did stock to me. I personally feel when I change the UCAs, it made a huge difference.
will you please give me the bilstein 2" lift details I am all over the place with how to lift to fit fuel vapor 18x9 -12 with ridge grappler 285/65/18 your help will be appreciated!
MPG is not difficult to calculate. Use the difference of stock v 285s and as a % multiple that to the mileage read out and add those two together...then divide by gallons put into the truck. It isn't as simple as adding 1 mpg
Thanks for the honest review. One suggestion. Power output has not changed. Rather, more power is devoted to turning the heavier wheels thus reducing the torque applied to the road which moves the ruck.
Have 285/70/17’s on my truck, three inch lift, 1.5” spacers all the way around, stock gearing. Have had the tires on for about 30-35k miles, about to upgrade and install some 285/75/17’s, nearly a 34” tire. So far the truck has never let me down, over 120k miles put on since I bought it new, haven’t even changed the battery yet.
@@bryceboland2908 Nope. Not problems at all. I wouldn’t have installed the spacers if I didn’t have to but I have stock control arms and a 285 or wider tire will rub on the upper ball joint mount. I think you could likely trim the upper control arm enough to get it to work and it would still be plenty strong. In my opinion though, trucks look a little strange with a lift without either adding spacers or offset rims. I installed the lift first with the stock 265’s and it looked very odd.
@@TheKurtTribute I'm doing that same set up this week to my 2019 tacoma 3 - 1 lift 285-70-17 Mt tires on stock wheels Was a lil unsure of what size wheel spacers to go with. Do you have any pics of your truck ? Thanks in advance
For transmission, try driving in sport mode (don’t manually shift). It seems to hold gears a little longer and it won’t automatically go above 4th gear. Which is much better for around town driving. I find on the highway it drives better in 5th gear. You can set the cruise control and it won’t hunt as bad as it does in 6th gear. I believe that’s cause 6th gear is double overdrive and really too high for the power of this truck. If you’re on i80 in the middle of the country 6th gear might work.😎
The drop in mpg is well worth having a nice looking truck. I myself am debating on upgrading to the 285’s, but I’ll probably be going with the wild peaks
I’m running 265 70 17, 17x8.5 0 offset. on stock suspension, nitto ridge grapplers. waiting on coil overs for a 2 inch front lift, then a 1 inch rear block, it’ll keep a 1 inch rake if all math is right. That being said I can go anywhere and never scrub on what I got. Perfect for someone who doesn’t want a lift but wants aggressive tires. Did take off the mudguards, cause they are ugly 😂.
285s are heavier but you could also go with a C load or even a P rated tire. The rolling resistance would be significantly less. A small truck like the taco, I drive a 4Runner, there is no need for an E rated tire unless you’re towing or carrying a full overland kit. For the record I went to a stock sized Falken Wildpeak, love the look but kept the same MPG and improved ride quality.
One thing, Wider tires don't give you a larger contact patch because the contact patch is measured from front to back not side to side, this is why skinnier tires actually get you un stuck more often than fat tires. Pizza cutters are the slag term for such tires.
Thank you for sharing Mike... I like your presentation and you do a great job explaining and providing essential detail. I too am debating the tire size pros and cons for my Tacoma, and your video has provided me some good information to make an educated decision. Thanks!
Kevin Lew it depends on what you are using the truck. I’ve seen serious off roadies use 265/75/R16. It’s a taller tire and narrower, but it easily gets through sand and other terrain. That tire size also puts a lot of rubber on the surface when you deflate. Plus you keep your power and have good gas mileage.
My stock tire on my Sr was 245/65/16s my speedometer was 5 miles faster than posted I did the math and i went with 285/70/17s and now my speedometer is on the money with the posted speed
i have a 2023 trd off road with 17x9 0offset racline boost wheels with a 285/70/17 bfg k02 with no upgraded suspension doesn't rub on anything but the mudflaps so i took those off. i definitely saw a decrease in mpg exactly like you said
I have the manual shift. I do not have to down shift barely at all with my 285's the manual shift has different diff gears. I love it. It's like night and day compared to the automatic.
265 70 r17 is the perfect size tire to me. Lifted the front of mine to match the back with adjustable coilovers. Simple nothing too crazy but looks so clean! Tacomas are too small for too big of a tire, can start to look goody to me.
I have a FJ 2014 with bilstien adjustable son front and back and run 275 17. I didn’t experience any change in mpg and the ride improved a bunch on bumpy surfaces. I run the 17 SEMA TRD wheels. I think the weight is the big player for your taco.
With 17" wheels there are a number of options in the 285/70/17 size tires than are the lighter non e-rated tires. That's the main advantage to going with 17" over 16".
@@epicone2449 The 285/70/17 size generally comes in lighter ratings like C or D rating (6/8 ply) as opposed to the heavy E-rated 10 ply tires that you can sometimes only get with 16" wheels or in a 275/70/17. Lighter rating means not as durable off road, but gives an all around more comfortable ride and better fuel efficiency. I would personally rather go with a C rated tire as I dont carry a lot of weight or off road much and with gas prices going up every bit counts.
My tacoma SR came with 245 tires and I have since upgraded to the 265. For me it's an improvement but 285 I would be worried about rubbing, mpg, handling, odometer/speed mis calculation. Maybe I'm just a worry wart.
I'm actually considering 275/65r18 tires on an 8.5" wheel with 0 offset. 2" from coilover lift and 1" rear block. I know the setup will fit just fine and it is a touch smaller than your setup. I believe the dimensional difference between the two is about 1/2' shorter and about 1/2" narrower. The biggest difference is the weight. The total works out to about 18lbs per wheel/tire combo lighter which should help with mpg. What are your thoughts?
Do you mind me asking how you run those tires? Would have to be CMC, what suspension are you running? And negative offset wheel? Thanks for any info you can provide
@@jonathanwilliams1342 Hi, there has been no cab mount modifications. I do have a stage 3 Icon 3"+ suspension lift. Its got MB rims, I'm not sure about the rim offset but if needed I could pull a wheel for a good measurment. You can tell by the pics the tires look/fit good with the flares. Ive got a lot of miles on the tires and the next set, BF Goodrich KO2's will be the same size (305-70R-16) that im running now. Lots of owners run 17 or larger rims (bigger radius) which when turning might be a problem for clearance. Mine on occasion when backing up lock to lock has rubbed a bit on the driver side but never going forward ?!? I think the coil over has to be jacked up a bit more. It is very slight because there are no rub marks, and it doesn't always do it. Might have to do with whatI had for lunch! Any more questions, ask
@@gtnoslp no I was just curious. Looking to figure out what setup I’m going for and what all would need to be done to fit the tires. I appreciate your response. Thanks man.
Thanks for the vid Mike. I love the aggressive look of your taco. I’m staying stock for now. I take my 2018 TRD Off-road into quite a few “hairy” back area, no real road places and am satisfied with the performance...no problems. I did add the Pedal Commander and like the feel of added acceleration touch. I live in Idaho.
I’m real late to commenting but I feel like commenting will convince me even more but after watching this video I have convinced my self to not get bigger tires and to also remove the 2.25 inch front leveling and the 1 inch block in the rear since I’ll never put bigger tires, might as well be stock.
Been driving my Tacoma for about a year now on 285/75/16 KO2s and I'm going to a 265 Pathfinder AT. I'm trying to get milage up a little and the KO2s are a little sketchy in the rain.
I have same wheel/tire setup with a 3 inch lift kit. I'm getting some rubbing on the back of the front tires. It's hitting part of the bumper. Maybe alignment.
I have 285 75R17's on my 2015 Tacoma, and I love them. The ride quality is a bit stiffer like he said, I do have the stock bilstien shocks that came with the Sport package. The turning radius is garbage now too because the stops had to get changed so that the wheels won't rub. But she looks great and she looks aggressive with that wide stance.
@@gregsam3856 I have a 2" lift. I'm sure the stock rims would have sufficed but they weren't stock when I bought my truck. I did buy another brand of rim, they look better for the red and black theme I have. Since that comment I made on here I've actually replaced the shock absorbers and the struts with rancho brand stuff. I'm also going to replace the blocks on the rear with new leaf springs that will give me the same lift. If you do a lift and you don't have a TRD pro, you will WANT to replace the rear shock absorbers for aftermarket that have extended travel. The ones I replaced were shot and the driver side didn't even spring back out. It was bad.
I've got a 2013 Tacoma DCSB with 285/75/16 BFG KO2's and initially my truck ran like dog shit. I put a scan gauge 2 in to track my mileage and eventually I ended up doing the nitro 4:88's and it runs sooooo much better.
I definitely felt the same power loss with my 255/85s as well as a pretty significant drop in fuel economy, lost maybe 1.5-2 mpg from stock 41lb Goodyears to 58lb Coopers if I base it on computer-estimated L/100km. I'll have to do a real world test again and do some averages. That being said I don't worry too much about my fuel economy because I drive a truck and I'm never going to get the same l/100km as my Civic. I think a regear is in my future as well but we'll have to see how the next few months go and whether I can return to work or not.
I have a manual TRD off road and I didn't feel that much of a drop off. The manual has a 4.30 vs 3.91 rear end and I believe it helps keep the power loss down (my tire size is 285/75/16Road one Cavalry MT E load). We also own a bone stock manual TRD pro so I was able to compare back to back.
I like my Tacoma, but damn Toyota... why did you put a Camry motor with a lazy 6 speed auto and a car like 3.90 gear? Mine downshifts twice with cruise set just going over a bridge. If I’m going against the wind at 80, it never shifts into 6th.🤦🏻♂️
Chris L , yeah, the cruise likes to maintain the exact speed. With my foot on the gas I allow it to drop in speed. It’s not the transmission it’s that the 3.5 lacks low end torque. My 2018 4x4 4Runner with the 4.0 and the 5 speed tows so much better. The 4 liter kicks ass. Wish they would’ve left that motor and attached it to the 6 speed.
Rated at 23 MPG? In what universe? Stock I have never gotten above 20 mpg- unloaded, downhill with a tail wind. I am still going for the 285/70 /15 combo with 4runner TRD wheels though. Nice setup you got.
Have you removed your anti sway bar? Your ride quality will be better on trails and over rough roads if you don't mind removing a safety feature. It was a night and day difference when I removed mine. I'm also running 600lb springs on 6112s (~2.5" shock), with just a steel skid plate, and have not noticed much body roll around corners. I drive conservatively in the taco.
Still have the sway bar installed and probably will keep it on. I don't do any crazy offroading so the capability is plenty good as it is for my needs.
Mike, would you comment about the Tacoma Recall or video. It's up to over 1 million Toyota trucks and suv s'. Malfunction of the low pressure fuel pump. How many miles on your truck, have you had any chk engine lights or stalling.Toyota is not dealing with the problem until this.Sept. Can we keep driving??
@@lrlapua8035 Call your dealership schedule a pump replacement ASAP. FYI; Did mine month ago. Before, truck running fine(I thought)During acceleration at times ok, other times seem to hesitate(stall) a bit. After pump replacement, acceleration/cruising smoother. The faulty pump IMO was not delivering a consistent stream of fuel to engine.(The truck runs w/no issues but not at full efficiency)
Here's the full rundown: ua-cam.com/video/qgiJAUAq-Hs/v-deo.html Chop and trimming were needed and i've still got a little rubbing on the wheel well liner on occasion.
Do you have a sprint booster or pedal commander just curious if that helps. im rocking stock 265/70/16 and want to go lift and 33s but i dont want it to feel that much more sluggish
I'm still trying to decide if 285/70/16s is the direction I'm going towards. I'm being told the lift I got will accommodate the 285s with 16 or 17 inch wheels. If I go the 16s wheel size ...it might be a good comparison episode for your channel.
Why not 255/85s? I didn't have to cut anything on stock suspension, only had to remove my mud flaps. A difference in wheel backspacing and offset won't make a massive difference in that either. The only thing I dislike about the size is a limited tire availability. I went with Cooper ST MAXX because of the awesome reviews and even though they ride like flintstones wheels on the street they're extremely durable offroad.
Mike i have a q. You are the one motivated me to do all mods on my sr5 now looks like off road my q. is that i put bilstein 5100 front and rear and adda leaf rear. I have an exact set up you had 265s good year wrangler but really want to put 285s do you think they are going to be ok? I know i am going to trim a bit i get that. I will go for the look plus my 265s needs upgrade
hey, btw 285 is the width, which does not affect ground clearance. Yes I am a smart ass, but I still gave you a view. I love my black 2nd gen on cooper sst pro's.
@@DrivenCompanion I'm an asshole. lol. 31.7 vs 33 dia. You sir did not misspeak. Nothing better than a blacked out taco. I also had 285/55/20's and they really pulled left and right in the wear grooves of the roads compared to 265s. You rock. I also liked your 4runner vs. taco vid. Sorry again from a stranger on the etherwebs.
Nice truck and video. I run the exact same setup. I just ordered new tires and could not find the duratracs in a 285/70/17 without raised white lettering. Ended up with with trail grapplers 🙄 Where did you buy them?
Tires are too wide. Too much strain on from suspension parts (will wear out parts over time) and can cause problems with wheel clearance when going over rough terrain.
My 2016 or tacoma only got about 16m/g when it was brand new before lift and stock tires. Only lost a little with 285 tires and 3" lift. That 23mpg # from Toyota is simply made up. Maybe going downhill you can get that or maybe lowering it with trailer tires. So I don't pay much attention to it. The gearing is wrong from the factory. 285 looks great 👍
Icon coilovers and rear shocks making the ride harsher... ughh no. My experience is the ride is improved greatly over stock. they soak up bumps, pot holes, etc in the road and make the ride feel so much smoother. the ride is slightly stiffer for cornering yes, but when your hitting any sort of imperfection in the road or riding dirt roads with washboard sections, Icons are a massive improvement.
Hey man great info. I have 265/70/17 falken wildpeak at’s on my 4runner. I did a lift so kind of want to upgrade to bigger tires but would rather not take the mpg and power loss with the 285’s. do you think the 275s would be the sweet spot ? Or negligeable…
You're saying you went from 23mpg to 16mpg from increasing your tire diameter by ~1"? That seems like that can't possibly be right, that's a 30% decrease.
Not quite. My original gas mileage was around 20 mpg prior to making any modifications. After lifting the truck and installing larger and heavier tires my average is about 16.
Mike C ah gotcha. I put 285s on my 4Runner but haven’t calculated my mpg. I know the computer’s readout on it is off, but not sure by how much in reality.
I’ve only watched one vid of yours don’t know full description of what your truck is and don’t wanna look I just wanna guess. Okay. We got pro grill scooped good but not color match bumper no pro emblem and silver Tacoma emblem on door gonna guess. And this is ion the first frame of vid before I’ve seen stickers. Off road hood swap faux (or oem pro grille) am I right? Not even gonna watch the vid until I get an answer lol nice truck.
Beautiful truck! Finally picked me up a taco and the first thing I'm looking to put on are tires haha! Just one question. Did you need to put spacers behind your tires to avoid rubbing when you turn your wheel? Thank so much appreciate you!
I've got a whole playlist on the Tacoma you can watch that goes over everything. There are quite a few variables to consider but the short answer is that a spacer probably won't solve anything (and might even make things worse). You will likely need a lift and body mount chop along with some plastic trimming to fit 285s.
@@nicagutierrez4441 Not yet! Couldn’t pull the trigger so close to the holidays and blow a lot of money on myself 🤣 Soon though. Already found the kind I want 😎🤙🏽
So basically you sacrifice so much just for a better/more aggressive look, I'll just stick with 265/70 17 wildpeak at3w and do a bilstein 6112/5110 1" upfront and leave rear stock
Hi, does this setup change the height difference between the front and back? Will it look level? I'm new to all this. This is the exact setup I am considering.
Hey Mike, love the build! I just got a 2008 taco with 285’s and I am getting some pretty bad wobbling with the wheels, I.e. the steering wheels shakes on pretty much every speed and terrain. Any suggestions on extra components to help mitigate this? Thanks in advance!
Thank you. I haven't had similar issues so don't have any suggestions. Makes me wonder if something was done incorrectly with the install. Have you got an alignment done?
Mike C I’ll be getting one done today actually! Have you had any gearing issues either? I might try a pedal commander as I’ve heard good things about it! Have you heard of this?
Anything gets better gas mileage than an excursion. If you're gonna worry about that, get prius lol. Your thoughts are the only ones that matter. You drive it every day
Great review. Just curious what you think here. I have 2 inch lift front, 1.5 in the rear. Arb front bumper which increases clearances. Truck has the stock Chrome clad 18 inch wheels. I found some bfg 285/65/18 locally, think they’ll fit without rubbing? Currently running 265/65/18. 2012 trd sport
My guess is they'll rub, but a body mount chop isn't that expensive and would solve most of the problems. A little trimming might be needed but thats easy as well.
Are you getting any rubbing on the fender corners while off roading? I was thinking about getting the 285s but not wanting to get any suppension lift, I may consider a 3" body lift instead which will keep the truck having a better ride rather then having a harder ride with any suspension lift.
I had do some minor trimming and use a heat gun to push in the inner fender liner to prevent rubbing - nothing major though. Spacer lift will help maintain the stock ride as well. I did a 2/1 lift (Rough Country in the front and Toytec Block in the rear) before doing the Icons and it had zero impact on ride quality - highly recommend if you're just looking to improve the appearance.
So you’d say 285s on my 2.7 manual would be a no go? I have 265/75r16’s now and I didn’t notice much powerloss from stock at all... a little but not much
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I think a lot of people get too obsessed over the 285 / "33s" number. 285 vs 265 are just 20mm difference in width, 0.787". With a 275 it's even more difficult to see the difference unless you're sitting beside a truck with 285s and you're looking down the length of the truck. In any case, your wheel style with the Duratrac tread looked good man!
If you disabled the traction control and manual shift starting in 2nd gear when your 4 wheeling in sand. You’ll be able to get more power from your engine without it restricting you. Hold down the traction control button for 8 seconds to disable.
I have a 2019 off-road and I just switched to method wheels and put 275/70/17 Wild peaks on and love them. They are C rated ...
Any rub? Also did you lift?
I’d be curious too! Negatives as pronounced as described in this video?
Would love to see you regear that beast Mike. Nitro gears are supposed to get fuel economy up as well as boost performance
Nitro gears worked on my Tacoma. Can't say enough about them. They're awesome.
Rick Nieto what year ? Tacoma.
@@Lexusgx550 2019 TRD OffRoad. Doing the suspension and tires tomorrow
@@ricknieto4264 what gears you do and what mpg
@@epicone2449 5.29s and depending I get between 18 and 21 mpgs.
Sweet. I'm 2 years late but just lifted my 2021 TRD Off Road and looking to upgrade from the 265s that came with it.
I run 285/70/r17 nitto grapplers with a 17x9 method double standard on a 2019 Toyota Tacoma with blistein 2 inch lift kit with Dakar rear leaf springs and Total Chaos Upper control arms, and with all the suspension work done to it, the truck rides better than when it did stock to me. I personally feel when I change the UCAs, it made a huge difference.
You see Mike c you need chaos UCA's
will you please give me the bilstein 2" lift details I am all over the place with how to lift to fit fuel vapor 18x9 -12 with ridge grappler 285/65/18 your help will be appreciated!
skrimpdaddy it’s a kit by headstrong off-road. www.headstrongoffroad.com/store/p402/Coil%2FBilstein_5100_Kit_w%2F_Dakars_%28HS16BK-1-Dakar%29.html
I thought you don’t need upgrades uca with a 2 inch lift. How exactly did it improve your ride?
I appreciate the honesty sir =) You helped me stick with my first choice which is 275/70R17
Are you on a leveling kit, and did you have to trim anything?
@@jacobnguyen7099 I have a 2023 trd pro. the stock lift doesn't rub
MPG is not difficult to calculate. Use the difference of stock v 285s and as a % multiple that to the mileage read out and add those two together...then divide by gallons put into the truck. It isn't as simple as adding 1 mpg
Thanks for the honest review. One suggestion. Power output has not changed. Rather, more power is devoted to turning the heavier wheels thus reducing the torque applied to the road which moves the ruck.
Have 285/70/17’s on my truck, three inch lift, 1.5” spacers all the way around, stock gearing. Have had the tires on for about 30-35k miles, about to upgrade and install some 285/75/17’s, nearly a 34” tire. So far the truck has never let me down, over 120k miles put on since I bought it new, haven’t even changed the battery yet.
Does it scrub any with the spacers?
@@bryceboland2908 Nope. Not problems at all. I wouldn’t have installed the spacers if I didn’t have to but I have stock control arms and a 285 or wider tire will rub on the upper ball joint mount. I think you could likely trim the upper control arm enough to get it to work and it would still be plenty strong. In my opinion though, trucks look a little strange with a lift without either adding spacers or offset rims. I installed the lift first with the stock 265’s and it looked very odd.
@@TheKurtTribute
I'm doing that same set up this week to my 2019 tacoma
3 - 1 lift
285-70-17 Mt tires on stock wheels
Was a lil unsure of what size wheel spacers to go with. Do you have any pics of your truck ? Thanks in advance
For transmission, try driving in sport mode (don’t manually shift). It seems to hold gears a little longer and it won’t automatically go above 4th gear. Which is much better for around town driving. I find on the highway it drives better in 5th gear. You can set the cruise control and it won’t hunt as bad as it does in 6th gear. I believe that’s cause 6th gear is double overdrive and really too high for the power of this truck.
If you’re on i80 in the middle of the country 6th gear might work.😎
The drop in mpg is well worth having a nice looking truck. I myself am debating on upgrading to the 285’s, but I’ll probably be going with the wild peaks
Martin Gomez They are worth it! I have the wild peaks as well, I’ve had them for over a year and wouldn’t change them!
Love the wild peaks, they clear out so well going through the mud, and grip like crazy off-road.
I love my wild peaks wouldn't go any other way
I love my wildpeaks as well..you can check them out on my ig @got_taco
I have Wild Peaks and love them!
I’m running 265 70 17, 17x8.5 0 offset. on stock suspension, nitto ridge grapplers. waiting on coil overs for a 2 inch front lift, then a 1 inch rear block, it’ll keep a 1 inch rake if all math is right. That being said I can go anywhere and never scrub on what I got. Perfect for someone who doesn’t want a lift but wants aggressive tires. Did take off the mudguards, cause they are ugly 😂.
285s are heavier but you could also go with a C load or even a P rated tire. The rolling resistance would be significantly less. A small truck like the taco, I drive a 4Runner, there is no need for an E rated tire unless you’re towing or carrying a full overland kit. For the record I went to a stock sized Falken Wildpeak, love the look but kept the same MPG and improved ride quality.
been there done that main thing is sluggishness and fuel economy now using 255//75/17 and I'm 😊 happy work great on the road and better off road
One thing, Wider tires don't give you a larger contact patch because the contact patch is measured from front to back not side to side, this is why skinnier tires actually get you un stuck more often than fat tires. Pizza cutters are the slag term for such tires.
Thank you for sharing Mike... I like your presentation and you do a great job explaining and providing essential detail. I too am debating the tire size pros and cons for my Tacoma, and your video has provided me some good information to make an educated decision.
Thanks!
Kevin Lew it depends on what you are using the truck. I’ve seen serious off roadies use 265/75/R16. It’s a taller tire and narrower, but it easily gets through sand and other terrain. That tire size also puts a lot of rubber on the surface when you deflate. Plus you keep your power and have good gas mileage.
@@deanoey1185 Reason why Tacoma TRD Pro wen this route. 265 is more than capable in most off-road cases combined with the tacoma's off-road tech.
Your living in a $1m house.... whats a couple miles per gallon?
Spoken like a hater
It also gets worse fuel economy than a 6.0l diesel excursion. Far worse.
These Tacotubers ruining thier 50k truck for views lol 😆 don't fall for the hype people these Tacotubers are not gonna last 300k miles lol
I split the difference on my 4runner. Went 275s. And no BMC required. I’m happy with the choice
My stock tire on my Sr was 245/65/16s my speedometer was 5 miles faster than posted
I did the math and i went with 285/70/17s and now my speedometer is on the money with the posted speed
Regear and get UCA's are a must for caster correction.
i have a 2023 trd off road with 17x9 0offset racline boost wheels with a 285/70/17 bfg k02 with no upgraded suspension doesn't rub on anything but the mudflaps so i took those off. i definitely saw a decrease in mpg exactly like you said
Good, honest review. Thanks.
I have the manual shift. I do not have to down shift barely at all with my 285's the manual shift has different diff gears. I love it. It's like night and day compared to the automatic.
265 70 r17 is the perfect size tire to me. Lifted the front of mine to match the back with adjustable coilovers. Simple nothing too crazy but looks so clean! Tacomas are too small for too big of a tire, can start to look goody to me.
DBoy 89 what coilovers did you go with? I plan to just level mine as well
@@Angelgrodm
Fox 2.5. 👌
I have a FJ 2014 with bilstien adjustable son front and back and run 275 17. I didn’t experience any change in mpg and the ride improved a bunch on bumpy surfaces. I run the 17 SEMA TRD wheels. I think the weight is the big player for your taco.
With 17" wheels there are a number of options in the 285/70/17 size tires than are the lighter non e-rated tires. That's the main advantage to going with 17" over 16".
Can you explain more please
@@epicone2449 The 285/70/17 size generally comes in lighter ratings like C or D rating (6/8 ply) as opposed to the heavy E-rated 10 ply tires that you can sometimes only get with 16" wheels or in a 275/70/17. Lighter rating means not as durable off road, but gives an all around more comfortable ride and better fuel efficiency. I would personally rather go with a C rated tire as I dont carry a lot of weight or off road much and with gas prices going up every bit counts.
My tacoma SR came with 245 tires and I have since upgraded to the 265. For me it's an improvement but 285 I would be worried about rubbing, mpg, handling, odometer/speed mis calculation. Maybe I'm just a worry wart.
seems like youd be happier in a pink Miata…
Love your truck I have a 2012 I'm running cooper discoverer at3 and they are amazing on and off road
Same on my 07. Had them on almost a year, not a super aggressive tire but works well in the winter and mild off roading. No impact on mpg
I'm actually considering 275/65r18 tires on an 8.5" wheel with 0 offset. 2" from coilover lift and 1" rear block. I know the setup will fit just fine and it is a touch smaller than your setup. I believe the dimensional difference between the two is about 1/2' shorter and about 1/2" narrower. The biggest difference is the weight. The total works out to about 18lbs per wheel/tire combo lighter which should help with mpg. What are your thoughts?
I had a tacoma but i have a v6 silverado now and was thinking to do the same as your set up I dont want to lose too much power to those tires or mpg
Gotta have bro tires for the bro truck
Very helpful. Answered all of my questions. Can't get over the looks, superficial as it may be, I'll likely still do it 😁👍
You aren't alone!
with tires out of fender is tiressome cleaning dirt.
Looks good! I'm running Cooper 305 70r 16's on my Tacoma, no real complaints except for some tire noise but do receive compliments!
Do you mind me asking how you run those tires? Would have to be CMC, what suspension are you running? And negative offset wheel? Thanks for any info you can provide
@@jonathanwilliams1342 who are you asking?
I am asking you Dan. I am sorry wondering how you’re running such a wide tire? I am wanting 295’s. But 305’a would be sick.
@@jonathanwilliams1342 Hi, there has been no cab mount modifications. I do have a stage 3 Icon 3"+ suspension lift. Its got MB rims, I'm not sure about the rim offset but if needed I could pull a wheel for a good measurment. You can tell by the pics the tires look/fit good with the flares. Ive got a lot of miles on the tires and the next set, BF Goodrich KO2's will be the same size (305-70R-16) that im running now. Lots of owners run 17 or larger rims (bigger radius) which when turning might be a problem for clearance. Mine on occasion when backing up lock to lock has rubbed a bit on the driver side but never going forward ?!? I think the coil over has to be jacked up a bit more. It is very slight because there are no rub marks, and it doesn't always do it. Might have to do with whatI had for lunch! Any more questions, ask
@@gtnoslp no I was just curious. Looking to figure out what setup I’m going for and what all would need to be done to fit the tires. I appreciate your response. Thanks man.
Thanks for that honest info. I think I've decided to just stay stock for now .
Thanks for the vid Mike. I love the aggressive look of your taco. I’m staying stock for now. I take my 2018 TRD Off-road into quite a few “hairy” back area, no real road places and am satisfied with the performance...no problems. I did add the Pedal Commander and like the feel of added acceleration touch. I live in Idaho.
Know its early but how do you like the PC, Thinking of getting one just not sure if they cause problems over time?
where in Idaho are you located? Just took a trip out to Silver City
The house looks awesome
My 265 70 17's with a 2.5 inch OME is perfect, mine is quicksand, with tires inside
I’m real late to commenting but I feel like commenting will convince me even more but after watching this video I have convinced my self to not get bigger tires and to also remove the 2.25 inch front leveling and the 1 inch block in the rear since I’ll never put bigger tires, might as well be stock.
With those wheels and tires you should re-gear it to 5.29, it makes a Huge Difference.
Doc Richardson he’s still drives on the highway not a rock crawler. 4.56 brings him back to stock gears with 285.
If he gets bumpers 5.29’s all the way. If he keeps it like this 4.88’s. Nitro recommends 4.88’s on a stock tacoma. Those guys know their shit
I got Trd Pro 17 at the auction and came with 285/75/16 and looks amazing but I prefer the stocks ones I’m gonna change in the few nex days
Been driving my Tacoma for about a year now on 285/75/16 KO2s and I'm going to a 265 Pathfinder AT. I'm trying to get milage up a little and the KO2s are a little sketchy in the rain.
I have same wheel/tire setup with a 3 inch lift kit. I'm getting some rubbing on the back of the front tires. It's hitting part of the bumper. Maybe alignment.
I have 285 75R17's on my 2015 Tacoma, and I love them. The ride quality is a bit stiffer like he said, I do have the stock bilstien shocks that came with the Sport package. The turning radius is garbage now too because the stops had to get changed so that the wheels won't rub. But she looks great and she looks aggressive with that wide stance.
How big of a lift did you do? Did you keep stock wheels for the 285s?
@@gregsam3856 I have a 2" lift. I'm sure the stock rims would have sufficed but they weren't stock when I bought my truck. I did buy another brand of rim, they look better for the red and black theme I have. Since that comment I made on here I've actually replaced the shock absorbers and the struts with rancho brand stuff. I'm also going to replace the blocks on the rear with new leaf springs that will give me the same lift. If you do a lift and you don't have a TRD pro, you will WANT to replace the rear shock absorbers for aftermarket that have extended travel. The ones I replaced were shot and the driver side didn't even spring back out. It was bad.
I got BFGoodrich 265/65r17 for winter. I don’t want spend a lot of money changing suspension and something else. For me it’s ok.
I watched the vid to learn about the truck.Screw the truck.I am wowed about how beautiful the house and location.🤗👁😀😍
I've got a 2013 Tacoma DCSB with 285/75/16 BFG KO2's and initially my truck ran like dog shit. I put a scan gauge 2 in to track my mileage and eventually I ended up doing the nitro 4:88's and it runs sooooo much better.
Great video. Thanks for posting
Yeah I'm going back to my 265 on my 04 Tacoma. I noticed drop in mpg and it just seems slower.
Have you gotten a tune for the truck yet? It helps a lot with the transmission, gear hunting, and general drivability of the truck.
Nice truck and beautiful home
I definitely felt the same power loss with my 255/85s as well as a pretty significant drop in fuel economy, lost maybe 1.5-2 mpg from stock 41lb Goodyears to 58lb Coopers if I base it on computer-estimated L/100km. I'll have to do a real world test again and do some averages. That being said I don't worry too much about my fuel economy because I drive a truck and I'm never going to get the same l/100km as my Civic. I think a regear is in my future as well but we'll have to see how the next few months go and whether I can return to work or not.
I have a manual TRD off road and I didn't feel that much of a drop off. The manual has a 4.30 vs 3.91 rear end and I believe it helps keep the power loss down (my tire size is 285/75/16Road one Cavalry MT E load). We also own a bone stock manual TRD pro so I was able to compare back to back.
I like my Tacoma, but damn Toyota... why did you put a Camry motor with a lazy 6 speed auto and a car like 3.90 gear? Mine downshifts twice with cruise set just going over a bridge. If I’m going against the wind at 80, it never shifts into 6th.🤦🏻♂️
Chris L , yeah, the cruise likes to maintain the exact speed. With my foot on the gas I allow it to drop in speed. It’s not the transmission it’s that the 3.5 lacks low end torque. My 2018 4x4 4Runner with the 4.0 and the 5 speed tows so much better. The 4 liter kicks ass. Wish they would’ve left that motor and attached it to the 6 speed.
What about 275/70/17r???????
What alphalamb said remove the sway bar and it’ll perform a lot better offroad and you honestly don’t notice anything different with it off
Nice truck, thanks for the info, could you share the specs of the wheels.?
17" VTX Rogues with a -10 offset
Rated at 23 MPG? In what universe? Stock I have never gotten above 20 mpg- unloaded, downhill with a tail wind. I am still going for the 285/70 /15 combo with 4runner TRD wheels though. Nice setup you got.
Have you removed your anti sway bar? Your ride quality will be better on trails and over rough roads if you don't mind removing a safety feature. It was a night and day difference when I removed mine. I'm also running 600lb springs on 6112s (~2.5" shock), with just a steel skid plate, and have not noticed much body roll around corners. I drive conservatively in the taco.
Still have the sway bar installed and probably will keep it on. I don't do any crazy offroading so the capability is plenty good as it is for my needs.
I drive like a grandpa and the only time I’ve gotten over 21mpg was on the drive home from the dealership on the night that I purchased it.
hi, love your video, very informative, and honest thanks.
Mike, would you comment about the Tacoma Recall or video. It's up to over 1 million Toyota trucks and suv s'. Malfunction of the low pressure fuel pump. How many miles on your truck, have you had any chk engine lights or stalling.Toyota is not dealing with the problem until this.Sept. Can we keep driving??
If it runs drive it. Even if your out of warranty. If it’s a recall that causes a failure they are liable. I have 113 k on mine with zero issues
I have a 2020 with the recall, 24k and no issues.
@@lrlapua8035 Call your dealership schedule a pump replacement ASAP. FYI; Did mine month ago. Before, truck running fine(I thought)During acceleration at times ok, other times seem to hesitate(stall) a bit. After pump replacement, acceleration/cruising smoother. The faulty pump IMO was not delivering a consistent stream of fuel to engine.(The truck runs w/no issues but not at full efficiency)
Thanks for making this video. Curious what load rating your 285's are?
Excellent comments.
You didn't talk about turning ....lock to lock? Any rubbing? Any chopping needed?
Here's the full rundown: ua-cam.com/video/qgiJAUAq-Hs/v-deo.html Chop and trimming were needed and i've still got a little rubbing on the wheel well liner on occasion.
Wonderful job of a review.
Thanks for you info King.
Wow that sucks. My 3 liter turbodiesel Isuzu Dmax gets 28 MPG on 33's and a 2" lift.
Agreed , they look good.
Do you have a sprint booster or pedal commander just curious if that helps. im rocking stock 265/70/16 and want to go lift and 33s but i dont want it to feel that much more sluggish
I'm still trying to decide if 285/70/16s is the direction I'm going towards. I'm being told the lift I got will accommodate the 285s with 16 or 17 inch wheels. If I go the 16s wheel size ...it might be a good comparison episode for your channel.
Why not 255/85s? I didn't have to cut anything on stock suspension, only had to remove my mud flaps. A difference in wheel backspacing and offset won't make a massive difference in that either. The only thing I dislike about the size is a limited tire availability. I went with Cooper ST MAXX because of the awesome reviews and even though they ride like flintstones wheels on the street they're extremely durable offroad.
285/75/16 is the same size as Mike's 285/70/17
I'm also thinking and want to stay with 16's
Richard, we'll definitely have to compare them if you go that route.
@@DirtShy weight difference would likely be negligible for most brands too, unless Mike bought C ply not E ply.
Looks great! This video reminds me of a Scotty Kilmer video. Why not to buy a lifted truck. LoL
Seems like the negatives out way the positives. Guess it depends on how one uses his truck. I actually think the 265’s looked better.
Mike i have a q. You are the one motivated me to do all mods on my sr5 now looks like off road my q. is that i put bilstein 5100 front and rear and adda leaf rear. I have an exact set up you had 265s good year wrangler but really want to put 285s do you think they are going to be ok? I know i am going to trim a bit i get that. I will go for the look plus my 265s needs upgrade
hey, btw 285 is the width, which does not affect ground clearance. Yes I am a smart ass, but I still gave you a view. I love my black 2nd gen on cooper sst pro's.
I may have misspoken but the 285/70 is still taller than a 265/70
@@DrivenCompanion I'm an asshole. lol. 31.7 vs 33 dia. You sir did not misspeak. Nothing better than a blacked out taco. I also had 285/55/20's and they really pulled left and right in the wear grooves of the roads compared to 265s. You rock. I also liked your 4runner vs. taco vid. Sorry again from a stranger on the etherwebs.
looking at some 285/75/17 ko-2s next. (33.9 dia) I run the 2019 4runner premium rims with -10 or 15 offset on my taco now. Keep it up man.
Mike how is the crawl features on the 285. Please make a video
Thanks
That was helpful
Nice house setup!👀
Best I have seen on stock taco is 21 long trip with eco minded driving on long trip 800-1000mi.
I got 26 fully loaded 65mph 1100 miles
Nice truck and video. I run the exact same setup. I just ordered new tires and could not find the duratracs in a 285/70/17 without raised white lettering. Ended up with with trail grapplers 🙄 Where did you buy them?
You sure the weren't white lettered on just one side?
Do you ever joke with your brother about not owning a house but owning all the super cars?
Thank you - nice assessment
Tires are too wide. Too much strain on from suspension parts (will wear out parts over time) and can cause problems with wheel clearance when going over rough terrain.
My 2016 or tacoma only got about 16m/g when it was brand new before lift and stock tires. Only lost a little with 285 tires and 3" lift. That 23mpg # from Toyota is simply made up. Maybe going downhill you can get that or maybe lowering it with trailer tires. So I don't pay much attention to it. The gearing is wrong from the factory. 285 looks great 👍
Icon coilovers and rear shocks making the ride harsher... ughh no. My experience is the ride is improved greatly over stock. they soak up bumps, pot holes, etc in the road and make the ride feel so much smoother. the ride is slightly stiffer for cornering yes, but when your hitting any sort of imperfection in the road or riding dirt roads with washboard sections, Icons are a massive improvement.
Prinsu rack drops 1 to 2 mpg also
Hey man great info. I have 265/70/17 falken wildpeak at’s on my 4runner. I did a lift so kind of want to upgrade to bigger tires but would rather not take the mpg and power loss with the 285’s. do you think the 275s would be the sweet spot ? Or negligeable…
You're saying you went from 23mpg to 16mpg from increasing your tire diameter by ~1"? That seems like that can't possibly be right, that's a 30% decrease.
Not quite. My original gas mileage was around 20 mpg prior to making any modifications. After lifting the truck and installing larger and heavier tires my average is about 16.
Mike C ah gotcha. I put 285s on my 4Runner but haven’t calculated my mpg. I know the computer’s readout on it is off, but not sure by how much in reality.
I’ve only watched one vid of yours don’t know full description of what your truck is and don’t wanna look I just wanna guess. Okay. We got pro grill scooped good but not color match bumper no pro emblem and silver Tacoma emblem on door gonna guess. And this is ion the first frame of vid before I’ve seen stickers. Off road hood swap faux (or oem pro grille) am I right? Not even gonna watch the vid until I get an answer lol nice truck.
Beautiful truck! Finally picked me up a taco and the first thing I'm looking to put on are tires haha! Just one question. Did you need to put spacers behind your tires to avoid rubbing when you turn your wheel? Thank so much appreciate you!
I've got a whole playlist on the Tacoma you can watch that goes over everything. There are quite a few variables to consider but the short answer is that a spacer probably won't solve anything (and might even make things worse). You will likely need a lift and body mount chop along with some plastic trimming to fit 285s.
@@DrivenCompanion Thank kind sir, I shall check that out as well.😎🤙🏽
@@gelhorner6556
Curious to know if you ever put that set up on your Taco
@@nicagutierrez4441 Not yet! Couldn’t pull the trigger so close to the holidays and blow a lot of money on myself 🤣 Soon though. Already found the kind I want 😎🤙🏽
So basically you sacrifice so much just for a better/more aggressive look, I'll just stick with 265/70 17 wildpeak at3w and do a bilstein 6112/5110 1" upfront and leave rear stock
Hi, does this setup change the height difference between the front and back? Will it look level? I'm new to all this. This is the exact setup I am considering.
Hey Mike, love the build! I just got a 2008 taco with 285’s and I am getting some pretty bad wobbling with the wheels, I.e. the steering wheels shakes on pretty much every speed and terrain. Any suggestions on extra components to help mitigate this? Thanks in advance!
Thank you. I haven't had similar issues so don't have any suggestions. Makes me wonder if something was done incorrectly with the install. Have you got an alignment done?
Mike C I’ll be getting one done today actually! Have you had any gearing issues either? I might try a pedal commander as I’ve heard good things about it! Have you heard of this?
Wheel bearing, bent wheel, alignment, carrier bearing
I have a 2020 Tacoma king cab 4x4 with 265's and I barely get 16 mpg....6th gear is almost useless...
2.7motor. 5 speed..3inch lift..32.5 inch bf KO2...MASSIVE TOURQE LOSE.. Can't wait to go back. 30.5 tall.. Love tacomas
Oh boy, it struggles enough with the 3.5. Can't imagine the 2.7!
Anything gets better gas mileage than an excursion. If you're gonna worry about that, get prius lol. Your thoughts are the only ones that matter. You drive it every day
Great review. Just curious what you think here. I have 2 inch lift front, 1.5 in the rear. Arb front bumper which increases clearances. Truck has the stock Chrome clad 18 inch wheels. I found some bfg 285/65/18 locally, think they’ll fit without rubbing? Currently running 265/65/18. 2012 trd sport
My guess is they'll rub, but a body mount chop isn't that expensive and would solve most of the problems. A little trimming might be needed but thats easy as well.
Do you have a Pedal Commander on this truck? If you don’t it would help out a lot.
No, and you're not the first to recommend it. May have to look into that.
Are you getting any rubbing on the fender corners while off roading? I was thinking about getting the 285s but not wanting to get any suppension lift, I may consider a 3" body lift instead which will keep the truck having a better ride rather then having a harder ride with any suspension lift.
I had do some minor trimming and use a heat gun to push in the inner fender liner to prevent rubbing - nothing major though. Spacer lift will help maintain the stock ride as well. I did a 2/1 lift (Rough Country in the front and Toytec Block in the rear) before doing the Icons and it had zero impact on ride quality - highly recommend if you're just looking to improve the appearance.
Are those e rated Duratracs?
I luv my Kenda Kleaver RT Tires 💪
So you’d say 285s on my 2.7 manual would be a no go? I have 265/75r16’s now and I didn’t notice much powerloss from stock at all... a little but not much
Yeah with the 2.7 you'll definitely regret the 285s. I'd go 265/75 max