Gilbert Arenas DEBATES The Best Scorer In NBA History
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- Gilbert Arenas DEBATES The Best Scorer In NBA History as he challenges the Gils Arena Crew to name the best bucket getter to ever grace the hardwood. Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce and Vince Carter all come to mind but who will Gil says is the best to ever put the ball through the net??
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What separates KD from Melo is the efficiency..KD is a 50/40/90 guy and has excellent shot selection..you can add him to a team and he can his without compromising other players numbers
Literally longevity whooped melo ass for sum years
Carmelo’s competition during his prime and at his position !! Is at a different level than KD lol.
@@cashgetscoochie1622we talking bout scoring not who was defending I’m a melo fan no excuses kd a better scorer
@@deeshotcha2250 KD Is a better shooter. He can’t get to the rim like Melo, post up like Melo, he can’t triple threat like Melo. And don’t forget Melo was the scoring champion in 2013-14!!! chill out bro lol. He’s not a better scorer than Carmelo, same way Curry isn’t a better scorer than Kobe Bryant.
it’s not all about shooting from range.
@@deeshotcha2250 just for a second think about Carmelo’s competition at his position vs Kevin Durant’s…. Lol Carmelo was killing the best of the best !!! at SF.
Kevin Durant has been a mismatch since 2015, I remember Lamarcus Aldridge used to give him work lol
I agree 100% with Gil about Vince! I don’t think people understand how naturally gifted this man was and he also had very underrated skill. Could post, had a nice enough handle, could shoot the 3 ball (from distance too! Look up his range) and wasn’t a bad passer (check some of his passing with Kidd & RJ in NJ). Also B Jennings has to watch some film about prime/pre-injury Mac & Penny. To even question Mac as a scorer makes me think maybe he was too young (lol hell I was born after 89’ too though) or just not interested in basketball when Mac was in Orlando at his peak! Lol that’s the only way I can excuse that bs he talking about with Mac man lol!
Yeah, Richard Jefferson said the same thing about Vince, too.
Mac was odee
So was Vince
Shit nuts
As great as Vince was, scored over 25,000pts, numerous iconic moments, the game winners and all that, one still looks at how supremely skilled he was and can't help but feel that he did not maximize his immense potential in terms of winning. Conversely, the expectations that came with his unreal talent were immense too. People didn't just watch Vince to see him win, people watched in awe and expected him to do something out of the ordinary every night. I expected a great performance from Kobe, TMac, LeBron etc, but with Vince, because of his antecedents, not only did I expect a great game, I expected to see something that would make me jump out of my seat in unbelief. That's a lot of pressure to meet those expectations every night you take the court.
Tmac was my favorite player growing up but if you check his stats compared to somebody like Kd it’s tuff to put him in the top 5
Nigga everyone understands how good he was and could've been
Great discussion. I got KD scoring over Melo. What’s funny is on another episode Gil said KD got the deepest bag of all time
Mfs just b talking
Melo post up more but kd can give it too u like that 2
that’s my issue with gil sometimes he be contradicting himself..he did it in this episode…straight up said “posting is a up is a scoring tier that melo has that kd don’t” then turned around and said “kd does post up but it’s not to the level of a melo” lol fam so which 1 is it 😂
I think you and all the weirdos that liked this dumb ass post missed his point.
I got teary eyed when Gilbert Arenas brought up T-Mac’s scoring greatness 🥹
Tissue him please
That’s how I felt when he brought up Vince only if those 2 stayed together 🥹🥹
@@mikewill4839 it would’ve been a rap
Oh lord ..
I wonder what they Consider Joe Johnson
I can’t believe they had to think about that when Gil said that Prime healthy Mac was better than Melo. A Prime healthy Mac was better than anybody favorite player today. I didn’t have to think about that, T Mac was a fool with it. He was damn near like a Penny Hardaway but without the facilitation. Mac was a scorer with crazy athleticism.
Right.. When BG said they did nothing for him I was like HUH???????
Whoa hold up now 😂 it’s taken me 34 years to get over him taking my cuz number on the Magic.
He averaged over 30 ppg in the toughest defensive era of all time. Adjusting for scoring inflation, its probably closer to 40 ppg. Like, 30 points in a game that ended 89-75 is different than scoring 30 in agame that ended 118-105.
@@K1ngHardaway You do realize Penny was once his favorite player, right? He wore the #1 as a sign of paying homage and respect.
Facts! TMac was tuff!
In his prime; 1 of the few players i think could beat Jordan in 1 on 1.
the thing with tmac that people dont talk about when it comes to his scoring was tmac was GODLY off ball. his backdoor cuts, him navigating screens off ball to get open, transition filling the lanes, tmac was flawless. watchign him navigate screens and getting his defender lost behind the screen for an open jumper was pure beauty, also greatest pump faker ever.
I agree with everything except him having the greatest pump fake
he got everyone off their feet he didnt even have to jump into the defenders theyd always lunge at him
@@uppercutshurt5199
Tmac a better scorer than melo
Bro was steph , bron , & Kobe put together 😂😂😂 BJ trippin 😅😂
What do movin without the ball gotta do wit scorin ? It’s about what happens when you get the ball …
Vince Carter was Jordan-like. He had hangtime, could palm the ball, post up, drive, had range. He cruised on natural talent. If his ambition matched the greats, he would’ve ended up as one of the GOATs. Vince should’ve been the best player of his era.
Family I been telling people this
Almost All nba players can palm the ball, 98% of the nba is 6 ft so course they have big enough hands to palm the ball, idk why I commented on that part guess every other thing u said I agree wit, but that part erked me cuz I’m like obv they can palm ..
Dude definitely underachieved
Fr bro had no weakness
@@ColbyGulley-ni3cu only mental ☹️
Nice shout out to Vince Carter around 13:45. I watched him, when he was on Toronto, play on the road against the Bucks late 90s/early 00s and he had well over 30 pts. Although he was better known for his dunking at that time, he was making it rain from three (and scoring in other ways) that night. MJ (and Kobe) had been on record saying they play hard every night to give the fans a show, for the kid who might be seeing them for the first time. Vince Carter's performance that night, more than any other by any basketball player I've seen, in person, lived up to that maxim--fantastic player on an obscure small market team playing another small market team on the road and putting on a show to the rafters even when it seemingly didn't matter much.
Mad respect for Melo, making it to the top 10 all time scoring list and he was a complete scorer, but KD was just mad efficient. I have him a bump over Melo, who was only a better post up player coz of his heft. Either way, you can’t be making a mistake.
Melo WAS if Allen Iverson were 6'8.... just about, at least talent wise, if Melo had Iversons heart of a lion then he'd be the GOAT I promise
thats some Paul Pierce logic. "give Melo KD's height and he'll be better"
Paul Pierce said "Give me Lebron's teammates and ill be better than him"
McCants shows not every basketball player can talk about basketball at a high level. perfect example of brains of a jock.
Pierce > Melo
It’s because people like you choose to hate rather than understand and comprehend.
What Pierce is saying is you need teammates to win and he isn’t wrong.
What this guy was saying is that Melo is pound for pound more skilled than KD which also is not wrong.
KD is a 7 footer that really only does one thing really well. That one thing is at an all time great level but it’s simply rise up in the midrange and knock it down. Now obviously he can shoot and rise up in the post but look at the skills. KDs foot work isn’t impressive, his finishing is average, his handle is average but at his size it’s impressive but still just average, he doesn’t have a signature move like a Dirk. He just rises above smaller defenders and knocks it down. He’s like Dirk with a handle.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943whats ironic about Pierce’s statement is, he had the team that lebron pleaded the cavs for. KG and ray allen? Rondo was the icing on the top. So when he says give me lebron teammates, most people look at it as if he already had that. Ray and KG were both franchise players in their primes and got together towards the end of their franchise primes similar to wade and bosh. The reality is Pierce individually is not a better basketball player than lebron which is the main difference. So he was incorrect in two ways.
I agree with melo having more arsenals to score and better footwork than kd but you cant take physicals away from a player to make a case. Pound for pound sure, melo could be seen as a better scorer. But the same argument can be made for AI or Steph. Shit, give both of them 6’6 height and they are better than MJ. Is that really the convo we want to have? Something that cant happen?
Nigga please. who are you to judge? Everybody has their irrational takes
@@jamesonedwardsii4943thats the dumbest thing ive seen kd is a 5 level scorer only thing melo got on him is the post which kd knows how to do not as good as melo but it still part of his game everything else kd clears so idk wat ur sayin kd better iso player kd better at gettin to the rim kd can come off screens kd a better mid range shooter head on and a 3 point shooter mind kd has 4 scoring titles to melos 1 kd also has more 30 40 nd 50 games ya melo had 1 60 game kd also has made 50/40/90 so what would u want a guy like melo shot chucker or a efficient scorer no one can guard
1:53 Carmelo also has that element of some crazy bully-ball that will wear down the defender terribly. KD with all his height will just shake you and shoot right over, or step right around you which is just discouraging as a defender. With melo, he’s extremely quick, can hit shots just as tough, bully, crush, and destroy with a timely bump and score every time and you could never get a hand up because his shot is so quick. If he misses, he would just football yo a$$ to the basket to get second chance points. And hurt you. Then he could sauce with a max of 4 or 5 dribbles. Or stun you with jab steps, or teleport to the basket if you let him.
Saying Carmelo is “dangerous” from three is a joke lol.
Where was all this at when Indiana clamped him in the playoffs?
Where did you watch Melo do all of that? In the NBA?
@@willpomeroy7711 yeah. He wasn’t really. Just his mid range game was sick.
@@elbowgang9715 idk but I saw what he did to KOBE BRYANT. Still lost tho.
If im not mistaken...Kobe checks all these boxes right? His post up game was legit his iso game his finishing his 3 ball and he is higher on the scoring list then everyone mentioned
And he had more time off the bench than the others his complete first two years and T-Mac may have had more time off the bench as well, both broken down by injuries similar to KD as well
He said Kobe, Jordan and Bird
Ya but his fg% wasn’t all that ….
Kobe just shot the ball way more the. Everyone… inefficient… not a better shooter then any of them
Vince, Kobe, Melo, T Mac, Jordan, Bird, Dantley, Pierce…
-Post Up
-Face Up
-1-4 Dribble Pull Up
-DEEP BALL
-OFF THE DRIBBLE DEEP BALL
-Floaters, Hooks, Double Pumps, Ambidextrous Release Hands
-Bully Ball, Finesse, Footwork, and Handle
Grant hill better than all of them
Jordan didn’t have deep 3s
@@Jm3rv Jordan was just as good at 3’s as Vince, Kobe and melo
@@zackt3904na he wasn’t a better 3pt shooter then vince vince shot like 40% 3 for 10 years straight jordan obviously a better player though jordan could shoot the 3 but that wasn’t his main focus
@@Jp2timezz Jordan played in a time when the 3pt shot was not a common play call. A majority of 3pt shots back then were to beat the shot clock or game winners. Mj had a higher peak and a lower peak than Vince but if you look past the numbers and look at the gameplay you see them being pretty similar in skill
This is why Gil’s has the best podcast. They have the conversations we wanna hear.
It’s an interesting show but McCants is awful and cringe-worthy. He talks over people and makes things awkward. You can tell he just memorizes his talking points but then can’t get analytical and logical when someone else disagrees with him and tries to advance the conversation.
@@willpomeroy7711totally agree ...he's the worst lol
With a non casual opinion
@@willpomeroy7711 no its not just your opinion dumb fuck, btw, this ain't fuckbook.... so, he is only bad because of your perspective of what you think he should be, you're the worst type of person because you're basically saying you don't like his presence; you don't like people based on appearance, you're a shallow fuck with no mind training... it's called an untrained.. it's called a balance dumb ass, he doesn't NEED to get analytical and all that, wtf you think Gil does... wannabe perfectionist, type people, you know you're white or an oreo, I could keep going, but it's the mindset of stupid fucks like you that I can't stand.
And you tried to type that as if that is the only reproach to all things life, I read between the lines like no other, you just talk, full of emotion
Still remember what Vince does facing 76er Iverson in playoff. really definition of unstoppable for both of them.
James Harden perfected traveling lol
He’s right about Vince , something about his attitude. The game was so easy for him , but he didn’t have that alpha mentality
He was in the club every night.
Nah Vince just needed a solid team around him. Early 2000s raptors and nets were ass
@@aiyachristianhuh the Nets they went to the finals
Did not want to play in Toronto
@@greenbay3164 he was on the team the year after they went to the finals ... furthest he got with them is 2nd round and got eliminated by baby bron and wade and miami shaq
vince to me was the greatest underachiever. He was so talented and athletic and scored so easily. He just never had that drive to be one of the greats. Vince played for fun. Vince had potential to be in the lebron, kobe class. vince just didn't have that killer drive like those guys.
Also Derrick Coleman was like the same too. Same goes for Rasheed Wallace
Vince's shortcoming proves why Jordan is the GOAT. Both men were given comparable physical gifts, but produced VERY different results.
Vince did play more for fun, but you can't question a player's will to win. The Raptors management didn't set up their players for success when Vince was playing alongside Tracy. They had two of the most talented players that put up strong numbers, too. The rest of the team wasn't championship level. Arguably, Jordan had the drive and will to win more than any player I have watched play. The man was merciless. There's Jordan, and then there's Mamba mentality.
Carter could've been the GOAT. I believe the pressure was just too much for him.
@@thirtyacres7504 Thank you cuz people who think they know so much think it all bears on the shoulders for greatness to happen, The establishment as whole all have to be clicking. Toronto Raptors was a horrible front office, and Vince had 4 different coaches his 6 seasons there
Prime, healthy T-mac is better than Melo, Pierce, and in the same tier as KD and Kobe. And, he was the most gifted passer of all of them too.
More athletic. Not better
@@Jiggy771 T-Mac had 4 seasons as good or better than Melo's best season. He was a better passer and way better defender. Pierce didn't dominate enough in the regular season to be in this conversation.
T-Mac and Melo (and Iverson) are my favorite players. So this is hard for me. Idk if this means he’s a better scorer, but I’d rather guard T-Mac than guard Melo. Melo had a quick release, was unstoppable once he faced the basketball, could shoot off the dribble, pull up, post up, mid range was elite, aggressive as hell, a bit of a bully. After guarding Melo for a whole series, I might have to take an ice bath
Nah if T Mac couldn’t get the basketball he was just a 3pt shooter
@@neurophilicneither passed
When i got into the NBA to me, my pure scorers were Melo, KD & Tmac… that being said this man KD is just different. On whoever, whenever.
not on Tatum tho..
@@jaysheat631stop it dude averaged 25+ points and was getting double teamed most of the time i can tell you didn’t watch the series even though he got swept don’t @ me
Yeah but don't forget KD is 7feet.. makes everyone drown but Melo? No matter how you bring it.. his getting a bucket
@xkid.darkskin5178 boy KD drop 50 that game. Boy a bucket
@@kavalioA1that’s literally it. When you look at skill set head to head. KD isn’t more skilled of a scorer than Melo. Melo has jab steps, drop steps, spin moves, fadeaways, stepbacks any move you name Melo has that. KD simply perfected the ability to rise over defenders without losing his focus but everything else is pretty average….. go skill for skill and Melo is the better scorer.
I love how players give Melo love and thank you Gil showing T-Mac love
1 of my fav debate/ discussions, always come back to it ..
Aye the #1 podcast out right now for basketball junkies 💯💯
Facts and they git the answer right
Definitely not
it aint better than JJ Redick's podcast but this is more entertaining.
🧢
For sure
Absolutely agree with Gil about Vince. As a Raps fan living in TOR we were treated to such greatness for those few years. Too bad he didn’t take the game seriously until he was past his prime. I STILL think about what could have been if TMac would have stayed instead of going to ORL…
These guys are also disrespecting Dirk. He was an absolute killer who is still SIXTH all time on the scoring list. KD may not even catch him.
Right talk about dumb by Tmac...it was like when OKLA had Durant, Harden, and Wedtbrook on the same team and they split up like WTF!? Dumbest thing in the history of the game...the crazy dynasty they would have had omg. The thing is these players are dumb enough to think they need to be "HIM" on the team to make the most money but no it's about WINNING...winning makes you the most money because of the exposure.
Seriously at this point I'm not taking KD over Dirk no way.
Gil is 100% right on this one!!!... Vince was like an updated version of Clyde drexler....... All the natural talent in the world but just never seemed to wanna kill every night!!
He dint have the work it like kobe
"James harden perfected something". "What a travel" is just wild...😂😂
Yo that part had me weak 😂
“James Harden perfected something”
“What? The travel? “
🤣
😂💀💀💀
😂😂😂😂
You don’t hoop. Bro watched highlights
@@KP-zk9kf get your childish a$$ out of here, with your 8th grade arguing methods 🤣
I’ve played for 15 years and coached for 10. The only way you don’t see harden travel, is if your head is up his ass.
@@KP-zk9kfnah you’re just biased to todays bullshit they allowed to get away with. A friggin “gather step” you leave both feet, you jumped, that’s travel in any other era except todays. Plus everyone think they invented this bs today, all they doing is allowing the crazy shit from the And 1 Street Ball league!
You are my favorite players growing up man I would love to be part of this . This makes my day going thru everything I’m going thru
Saying "if he was 7 feet" is a nonsensical argument. Their body type and dna would have to change beyond recognition. Its like saying 'if a mouse was as large as a cat, the matchup would be even" 😂
He already made his argument and explained why
He was saying if he was 7 foot it wouldn’t even be a conversation
@TheChamp845 That's a stupid argument though because Melo is not 7 feet lol. The question is who is the best scorer, not who the best inch for inch scorer is.
@@Youngster543210What if Isaiah Thomas is 10 feet 😳😳😳 Greatest of all time? 🔥🔥🔥
What if giannis was 6’6?? Like what 😂😂
7 foot Steph 🤣
Vince one of the few players to average 20 ppg or more for 10 straight seasons!!! He that man! 5 time all start vote leader . Best dunker and he can shoot that thang too!
One of the greatest 3pt shooters too dude was unique
Like 30-40 guys averaged 20+ for 10 or more straight seasons. More than just a few
I'm going with what Kobe said. Tmac, Melo, Iverson and KD were his toughest matchups.
But he 6-16 vs Bron 😂😂😂😂
@@franknatti5367fr
@franknatti5367 Team game
Dont forget Brandon Roy. Kobe said he was a complete scorer. Could go left or right. Use either hand. Hit the three and pull up from anywhere. He was explosive and fundamentally sound. Plus, clutch.
His toughest match-ups. It's not like kobe was an elite defender. So ur better off taken the answer from some1 who was great at defense. 😉
Man I love your content bro!! Love the basketball knowledge you have and listening to a player of your stature is very enlightening💯🔥
Gill was spot on about the different levels of Melo’s scoring ability. He literally could score from anywhere with any style.
In Melo's prime...he was also a great slasher and finisher.
He could score from anywhere at a low percentage you mean. He was never a good three point shooter so I don’t know why he gets credit for that “level”.” Durant can post up too, I don’t get what KD can’t do that Anthony can. KD is a much better offensive player than Melo and Arenas comparing Durant to Harden was just absurd.
And KD can’t?😊
KD has led the league in post play efficiency multiple times so how can Gil say he don’t post up?
KD is not the banger in the post that Melo was.
I appreciate you guys recognizing KD's greatness but you left an important detail out... You focused a lot on he's a natural scorer - sure he has genetic advantages, but his greatness comes from the work he puts in - which is a lot more than most!
Exactly. There are a lot of 7-foot dudes in the league that can’t put up numbers.
It's not even a question.
Kd by 20 had already scored more points per game than melo had in every season melo played except maybe 2.
By 23 kd had outscored melo 3/4 years and had better efficiency 4 years straight.
You can debate skill but kd was and is just a better scorer.
The 3 point is also more prevalent in KDs time compared to melos but i agree with you theirs actually almost nothing u can do to stop KD
@@pennynohardawaytm5438 it is but KD and melo played in their prime together from 2010-2015.
KD was just better.
@@Christopher._Mthat probably wasn't melo prime
@@quintidwell99 either from 2005-2008 or 2010-2014.
That was his prime/scoring prime.
Whatever version of melo you want to call a better scorer is up to you.
Either one KD was just better.
The Melo they are describing in this podcast is the Knicks melo. That melo is the one that had 5 level scoring.
@@Christopher._M Denver melo had 5 level scoring go look at his highlights from then
Rashad and Gil are quick to change the question, lol.
They're debating the most versatile Vs the best scorer.
Gil loves to pull stats but Brandon had to ask for some.
EVERYBODY is overlooking the one fact that easily makes it clear in my opinion. Of ALL the Players they mentioned, MELO has the worst shooting percentage of them all. All of them have averaged 30 or close to it. EFFICIENCY is it 💯 ALOT of players have scored or averaged 30 but MELO was a chucker. He took horrible shots very often. His percentages show that. He would often take 35 shots to end up with 32 points. To me that shows how a better scorer. they all can score, shoot and etc but KD does it EASIER and better than most mentioned.
Of all of their movements,
T-mac was the silkiest
Vince was the most graceful
Pierce was the most methodical
Melo was a little glitchy
Fax melo had a movement where everything was a 7 moves in one. tmac was so smooth dunking on someone lmao. vince was less graceful or more disastrous. when he was in the air noone but domonique and jordan compares. pierce probably is the most disrespectful person to have a signature spot on the court lmao. kg got his top of key but let paul pierce get that long two inside the arc for game. for some reason celtics always down 1
VC was not the most graceful scorer of those three, lol. His best scoring games came when his threes were falling. VC was a power finisher, and he often looked awkward if he wasn't trying to take a three or just attacking the rim. The man had a very limited bag. He looked awkward in the low post. Silky and graceful in basketball context are pretty much the same thing btw. T-Mac was one of the most graceful scorers I have ever seen.
Pierce was a bad MF I remember Bron gave him 45 and he gave Bron 41 right back
@@QuestionEverything562 this is a dumb assessment, awkward?, no bag?, drugs is a hella of a thing
@@ltri-fehl2955 What was VC's bag? Dipsh** casual
What Gill didnt mention about vince, was physically he was the oerfect basketball player too. Thick perfect size for the position, big hands, could plam the ball like a grapfruit.
Ayooo!!!!
@@elaboraterjohnson7321 what's good?
Gil right about Vince! If he would’ve had that dog in him, ion think nobody would’ve been able to mess with him with his athleticism and vertical. Really was an honor growing up watching Vince ball.
Crazy 4 scoring titles to 1 and that 1 KD let him have.
Shows the eyes vs what’s actually happening is proof.
If VC had that "stfu and gimme the ball" attitude, he would have been the goat for sure
Tim Thomas, Lamar Odom and Vince Carter all had elite skills + size but sometimes the game came too easy. They just weren't fired up on a night to night bases. But they all could shot from anywhere, pass, had handles , but just didn't have enough dog to want to Dominant.
@@bryanttisdale2446You could add Derrick Coleman and Rasheed to that list too
@goku4life542 oh yeah definitely.
I kinda like Brandon’s thinking on this. “I don’t care how, just get the ball in the hoop.” Kinda like RJ saying Lebron is a best scorer because he got the record. If someone scores on move levels but scored less someone else scoring on less levels, then who’s “better”
LeBron ain't the best scorer so you need to stop. But in general, the guy that can score on multiple levels is better. Why? Because he can always get his. Take away one thing he can eat another way. But then you have the aliens like KD and Shaq where you can't take that one thing away from them
@@ggsimmonds1 I know. Brandon’s thinking here is just a fun way to troll these discussions
Lebron ain't the best scorer
Melo was so tough on offense and he was a great offensive rebounder
melo shot 41%. bbq chicken vs durant
@@chadjackson4786what does that have too do with who’s a better scorer?
They're talking strictly about skills. Not productivity, not stats. Simply ability to score. KD is amazing but doesn't have nearly as versatile of an offensive skill set. Better scorer statistically but not as complete skill wise
A lot of those offensive rebounds were from his own misses lmao
@@chadjackson4786and go look up kd he shoots 44 % against Carmelo lmfaoooo
“you ain’t on this show” is a crazy thing to say😂😂😂😂😂
Vince Mcgrady Pierce was shooting the 3 at a high rate 00-04 plus had that post up and dribbling ability midrange
“ I got the same shit you got” Tmac vs Kobe … Gil Never fails with the takes
That's a fact Kobe even said himself 💯💯💯💯
KD is part of the 50 40 90, Melo never broke 50%
Yeah but Carmelo creates and has a deeper bag. The question isn’t who’s a better shooter
@@om3667No he doesnt lol false. KD does everything melo does and more efficient point blank lol. KD handles up there. Post up.
The only thing melo did better is drop step and spin.
@@nimbus9954KD doesn’t post up like Melo … UA-cam KD in the post and Melo in the post … KD too light in the ass you saw the Celtics bully KD
One side is talking efficiency and the other side is talking different ways of scoring
@@nimbus9954Kd too small. Look at the teams Melo beat in the western conference playoffs. Would’ve smoked Kd
10:42 😂😂😂😂😂
"James Harden Perfected Something"..........
"What? The travel!??"
I DIED!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Casual take
@@carnage3208 Casually Funny
@@remidibeatz8780 Nah
@@carnage3208 Yea
@@remidibeatz8780 Don't know ball smh
Vince got 12 points in 44 seconds, and a game tying 3 to take it to overtime and a alley hoop game winner in the same game against Toronto lol
That was the backwards alley oop right? He was crazy wit it
@@StreetsAintNoMyth5 yup lol
Melo was a scorer, KD is an Assassin straight sniper 💪🏾
And KD was fortunate enough to join a dynasty team
Melo tries to score everytime he touches the ball no matter what. Kd wants to pick his spots carefully, which is why he likes having another superstar next to him.
Naw that’s just his IG handle.
Say what you want but MELLO has damn near 8k MORE points.. Melo all day.
@@cvillato99has nothing to do with scoring, stop hating. He still has an MVPs and finals apperanxe.
I had to totally agree him about Tracy McGrady super legendary
Thanks Gil for showing Melo love like this. My favorite player greatest scorer of the basketball. Melo dropped 52 without a layup or free throws nobody else in basketball will ever get that
Klay enters the convo
@@stevengonzalezmarin3349 yea but klay took 20 3z bro....
@@stevengonzalezmarin3349yea but he was playing with the greatest shooter ever. Can’t double. Melo has no one to pass it to
Im glad they put respect on Paul Pierce name. The casuals dont know. Vince was a beast too. I loved the era i grew up watching with them, AI, Tmac and Gil with Melo and Kd coming behind them. Certified bucket getters.
Im so glad someone who actually played the game, giving VINCE his flowers! Please invite Vince and Tmac to your show!
You can't take away someone's height when you are comparing them. Height is part of who he is.
Facts if it was so easy every 7 footer would be like that
Kevin Durant is the better scorer. Sometimes having too many ways to score holds you back. It is hard to master 5 ways to score compared to 3 ways to score. If Carmelo is B+ at 5 levels but Durant is A - A+ at 3 levels, I'm taking Durant every time.
I'm taking Durant's 50-40-90 efficiency scoring over anything Melo does.
Wrong
KD is not driving to the lane dunking on people he’s not driving to the lane unless it’s open or he could shoot open…. Melo could he doesn’t need space. He can create space
How having to many ways to score can hold you back? Might be the dumbest shit I ever heard lol
Exactly. Melo HAS to have 5 ways of scoring due the height disadvantage. His pull up won’t be as efficient as KDs because he’s taller with a wider wingspan. KD gets it off way easier.
@@DefiLieteracy melo creates SPACE have you seen him play it doesn’t matter who is in his face
Bro prime t-mac was a better scorer than everyone they mentioned besides kd
KD doesn't have to work as hard as most scorers because when all else fails, he just raises up over his defender and shoots over anybody because of his 7ft height/length and 7'4" wingspan...KD's height, agility, length and shooting efficiency makes him unguardable 95% of the time.
99% of the time, if we are being honest.
@lourencoteles8414 ...well we know Giannis and Tatum are the only one's who have the length and athleticism to bother his shot.
@@therealist2798even they can’t really do much with him. His ability to drive to the basket is another weapon.
When it gets to crunch time 4th quarter and he’s tired and he needs to get closer to the rim in the post he can’t back his man down because he’s skinny
@@therealist2798kawaii bothers him when he plays
I don’t care what anybody say, TMac had the prettiest pull up in basketball history. It looked wet every time.
Inventor of the hesi pull..iconic amongst purest..
That pull-up from the top of the key.
KD copied it
kd handles are underrated, he gets to the bucket, and he does post to do that 1 leg turnaround
T mac Kobe and Vince was scorin on whoever for the most part. They need to get there flowers more often
Jordan is the best scorer ever. KD is top 5 scorers all time imo. KD scores at every level. KD is also ridiculously efficient; especially for him being an iso player.
Yep. Jordan is the best scorer ever. He could anyway, every way you wanted. Throw the kitchen sink and a stiff arm, mj getting buckets
Amazing how this new gen dont mention MJ.
KD top 6 scorer
1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Bron
4. Kareem
5. Kobe
6. KD
@thedepresseddog6035 i like Bron but he isn't a top 5 scorer
Getting 2 The Free Throw Line is A Level Of Scoring Also - Come On G!
Brandon Jennings is starting to be the guy who gets better than he actually was every time he talks 😂😂
He said tmac n penny game didn’t do nothing for him . He a hater 😂
Kenny Smith
@@johnnybrison4150facts he trippin, Tmac was crazy wit the ball.
Facts tho, he just be chattin at this point
@@johnnybrison4150 😂😂 wild take!
Kd posts up to get to the Dirk fadeaway. He didnt need to do more. Doesnt mean he couldnt
VC in the thumbnail over tmac is criminal
I always go to the playoffs when it comes to scoring. Average, how many times you dropped 40 and 30, efficiency against defenses tailored to stop you, when the stakes are the highest, KD outperforms Melo in all metrics. You can have all the skill in the world but how effective is it when it matters the most
Melo was just an inefficient volume scorer, I don't know why players think he is so great if he is so inconsistent.
@@Kuroganemk2I guess because from the players' perspective if you played with prime Melo 1 on 1, he cooks you and you feel terrible and hopeless throughout because of the physicality, speed and shot making. The experience of defending him back then must've been draining as hell.
But when it comes to KD it feels like he is cheating based on his genetics.
I guess that might be the line of thinking
I guess that makes sense for them to feel that he is just using his height advantage. @@КонстантинЕськов-ь1у
@@КонстантинЕськов-ь1у Players nowadays say the same shit about KD. Just go look at Jrue Holiday talking to JJ Reddick about defending KD. They hype Melo up because they played against him.
People didn’t actually watch Melo play, they jus went by the rumors from espn that he was selfish and overrated
He was my fave since hs before he got to Syracuse and I watched his whole career
He is the most tactical scorer I’ve ever seen
Those weren't rumors.
He himself has admitted he was playing selfishly and would be disengaged if he wasn't scoring.
Anyone who watched him knew it. Some tried to cover for him but that was who he was.
That said he was an all time great scorer.
I don’t think he was tactical I just think he could score at will so it just looked easy
What about Dwade? One of the best post up guards. One of the best off the ball slashers. Awesome midrange. One of the best getting to the cup. Serviceable 3pt shooter when he was on, but that would be his weak spot.
I dig the Vince point, seems like he could have been even better.
D wades weak spot is a lot more obvious than any of the others. I’m not trying to knock him because he’s obviously an all time great scorer but the others don’t really have a weakness as apparent as that. He didn’t shoot them well, but I do remember those playoff moments he hit some big ones
Dwade could only score 2 levels
Gil’s theory of Vince of him being too nice makes sense.
You gotta talk about efficiency as well if you gonna talk about the best scorers. Post scoring is dead now especially for non bigs so giving Melo the edge over KD because of a dead skill set is crazy
KD can actually post up that is the crazy part he just don't do it often because teams don't play like that anymore.
Derozan kawhi mid range is deadly and easier then chucking 3s
He keep mentioning how tall KD is but he not mentioning how crazy it is that he’s that tall and can handle the ball the way he does.
Exactly
The dude is fastest 7 footer ever and head to the rim when he dunked in his prime.
@@xart23xfacts bro
Comment i was looking for keep sayin if they were 7ft if any of the players turn 7ft they wouldnt even be able to bring up the ball they would literally play like a normal 4 kd is just different then they sayin 5 levels durant got a post up game it may not be as good as melos but he got it every other level kd clears so ion get that tbh
@ybsnipes26 facts
KD had 4-5 scoring titles in his youth. Not even in his prime. That was during Melo prime btw. Shooting 50%
Tmac, Kobe, jordan deserve a mention
Jordan deserves more that a mention, neither Vince or Melody led the league in scoring.
i'd easily take KD over Melo. Height, length, great handles, efficiency, and can score from anywhere with ease makes KD a NIGHTMARE matchup for ANY defender in NBA history!
The fact that Kobe ain’t on here is insane
Automatically can't trust anything they say with this omission
Kobe isn’t efficient he has the most missed shots in nba history
Bj speaking facts, KD scores in all ways. Idk what made Gil say he doesn’t post up 😂 I give melo second tho. KD just different and I’ve never seen a player put the ball in the hoop the way he does, it’s effortless
I like this cast cuz Paul Pierce don’t get the respect he deserves. So many people try to discredit his game. Appreciate y’all giving him his love.
MJ, Kobe, Melo those were the only 3 that used the 5 score method a lot.
Kyrie Irving
How everybody didn't say KD is beyond me. No disrespect to Melo, I always loved watching him play.
I know. KD can get you 30 on 10 shots and easy.
Kd is an overrated scorer,take the jumpshot away hes average offensively
@nooniewheeler3502 this guy. Ok off that logic. Curry overrated take away his 3s he just regular
@@phenomfacemob1011 exactly look up his games where he doesn’t hit his threes 15-20 points which is average
@@nooniewheeler3502 but what I'm saying is. EVERY NBA player would be regular if you take away what they do BEST.. but we can't go off IF.. kd is a top 3-5 score in HISTORY he definitely not overrated
Offensively, Melo and Paul Pierce are pretty much the same player. Melo iso'd more thats the only exception. KD the post isn't a part of KD's game at all. Mac is the best scorer ive ever seen...ever. Dude was unguardable his whole career, even those 5mins he played in San Antonio.
First of all, KD isn't seven feet tall. He's 6'10" without shoes, at best. Melo is 6'6" to 6'7" without shoes. Melo is always getting hate because he was seen as selfish in New York and he didn't win a ring. But judging solely on offense and skillset, Melo was a scoring machine. He has one of the best triple threat, jab step. Deceptively strong, too. Melo was cold.
To me Kyrie should be in that list. He got the 5 level scoring Gilbert mentions and is 6’2 and 50/40/90 player. Plus has the best handles and finishing package of all time. Wizard aka Young GOD 🪄
I would say he's at the same level as Carmelo, but he ain't touching KD.
Love the conversation on Melo vs Tmac
Yea but let’s not act like Kd don’t get a lot of iso. Plus when he’s backing someone up to hit the fadeaway, isn’t that technically posting someone up?
It is posting up, technically. But I think they meant, posting up and getting in the paint. Similarly to Charles Barkley and other guys that were not playing center or power forward. Melo played small forward. Charles Barkley is 6'5" without shoes. He had no business playing power forward, especially during his era where there were 7-foot+ giants, and nearly 7-foot power forwards. Which made it all the more impressive.
Orlando T-Mac was the greatest scorer I have ever scene imo
Love how Agent 0 recognize Dirk for all five scoring categories. ❤❤❤❤ even Green from warriors said he better than Rodman from bulls for the all time best defender but when asked about Dirk. He said he couldn’t stop him. One you can’t foul because he loves the free throw. So now you kinda lay back on the aggressiveness because he’s good at selling his shot. Either you do/don’t jump he making you pay. He’s still gonna get his point. Dirk too nice to give his teammates a chance to get their money too. Too nice he doesn’t want max deals. WTF DOES THAT SHIII DAMN. I don’t remember any team or player even coming close to stopping Dirk. Don’t give me that BS about lebron choking that finals year against Dirk. Dirk been giving teams problem since. He just didn’t have a squad that would keep up with others teams.
Kobe said he could stop KD because he could only shoot over the right in the post. When he could go either way he couldn’t guard him anymore. If Kobe stamp KD as a post player then why is Gil saying KD not a “5 level” scorer?
KD is definitely a 5 level scorer. These dudes don’t watch ball like that.
That’s what I’m saying wtf are they saying
Kobe was talking about early in KD career not fully developed KD.
@@yoursportsnow9729 KD best scorer I ever seen. his volume and efficiency is 2nd to none
Kobe is talking about guarding a guy 6 inches taller in the post. It’s a different convo when kd is in the post without the mismatch. He’s still a level 5 scorer, but with a B in the post. Still better than most, but not as dominant in the post.
KD is better from deep, better moving without the ball.
Harden perfected traveling 😅
This a great debate
I’m only saying Melo because of the mentality of scoring. Melo wanted that ball every time that’s why he has so many ways to score. He wasn’t gonna be denied the ball. KD is KD tho. If KD adds so aspect of posting up he’ll be totally unstoppable and probably average more.
The issue with your logic is that it denies the evidence.
It took Melo being selfish and having that mentality just to average 27 ppg.
KD basically does 27 without even trying.
While melo was playing with that mentality KD out scored him 4/5 years which also happened to be Melo's best scoring seasons.
KD was smore efficient in every year during that time.
KD also has the longevity now.
KD is in year 17 and just came off averaging 29+
Melo going into year 17 was averaging like 12.
@@Christopher._M💯😭
@@Christopher._Meverything but they played head to head 17 Times …. He won F O U R TIMES 4-13 melo outscored him 8 times to 7 HEAD TO HEAD .. Out he’s own mouth Welcome to the nba happy birthday moment was who 😂 dudes speak on melo and talk about everything else but talent 😂
@@donizzo30with that being said kd is better 😂
@donizzo30 the question is "who's the better scorer". Head to head means you're considering who's the better defender as well. Not the same discussion.
Penny Hardaway was the truth. Yes, his career was cut short, but he was amazing.
Loved this debate, watched it a few times alr ..
They are underrating TMac. He was a better scorer than Melo
Player not scorer
@@Saviiq is debatable about scoring. I pick TMac cuz he is smooth, and he averaged over 30 PPG as well.
Adrian Dantley scored 30ppg on 18 shots a game
Nobody else in league history can say that
Lillard scored 60 with 29 shots
@@lourencoteles8414Adrian did it without counting on 3s...huge difference 😂
@@kiwavy obviously you are a casual or very young
jordan use to destroy dantley all the time 😂😂😂 lol
*eFG%, OBPM, Pts per game, raptor* - give you same easy answer, this is not even a debate for me
VC should have 100% been a top 10 player of all time! Great convo fellas
GTFOH...drugs are a very bad thing 😂
@@goodymob9638 should have been meaning he had all the potential to be. Anybody with eye sight and really know ball can tell u that
RIDICULOUS. Everything Gil said Melo can do, KD can and does all of that with better efficiency and a better handle… just because he don’t post up as much don’t mean he can’t post up cause he does. Rashaad talking about show me like KD ain’t been doing this and ain’t still doing it today. Can’t discredit the man cause God made him 7ft🤣
Facts bro Kd the most unguardable scorer ever besides Michael Jordan 💯😂
@@Jp2timezz I agree 💯 There’s more on that list but those 2 are in a different class to me.
None of the guys mentioned scored more than kobe in a game
Nun of em took that many shots he did in that game either
To people who didn't watch the 90s-00s, Vince was way more talented than the rest, including Kobe. I personally never felt Kobe was a S-tier talent but an A-tier. However, determination and hard work resulted in Kobe over achieved and VC under achieved, much like Shaq should've being in the GOAT conversation.
Never thinking Kobe was S tier talent is insane to me.
@davidlamar2806 right like what is he talking about lol
Kobe overachieved?....
Respect Vince but Kobe is definitely too A Tier scorer 💯
@@davidlamar2806he’s not wrong. Talent wise kobe was clearly not the most athletic or the strongest or fastest or most naturally gifted in comparison to some other players. Like clearly. And he’s my favorite player ever. The skill he developed is what took him to another level