Gilbert Arenas Defines What Makes An NBA Player A BUST

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
  • Gilbert Arenas Defines What Makes An NBA Player A BUST as he, Kenyon Martin and Rashad McCants break down Stanley Johnson's comments about being considered a bust and apply it to their own careers.
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  • @jayrebirth7213
    @jayrebirth7213 Рік тому +486

    Hearing Rashad McCants talk about himself while everyone else quiet is hilarious 😂😂

  • @georgeparker8198
    @georgeparker8198 Рік тому +619

    I have never heard Kenyon Martin described as a busy despite being a number 1 pick. Because he clearly wasn't a bust. He had a good career with flashes of greatness. A bust is a guy who disappoints so badly that his career is barely a footnote. Kenyon Martin played 15 years and was a important player on multiple teams. He was never a MVP level player but he was a starter for a decade plus. Definitely not close to a bust.

    • @blablablabla2572
      @blablablabla2572 Рік тому +43

      Yeah but u expect a first pick to become a star. Kmart was like andrew bogut, never a star but a really important player, not a hall of famer tho

    • @CraZzy3n3rGy
      @CraZzy3n3rGy Рік тому +23

      Never have a beard Kmart being labeled a bust. Anthony Bennett on the other hand didn’t even play 2 seasons and showed no flashes of talent

    • @xavierb9061
      @xavierb9061 Рік тому +28

      He wasnt labelled bust because 2000 was worst draft of alltime. Only 2 of first 20 made allstar. Crazy bad draft

    • @rellllzzz2473
      @rellllzzz2473 Рік тому +3

      Yea I didn't either he got hurt though because he was getting 16-18 with 7-10 boards and played good defense until he got hurt theb he was just defensive mainly

    • @IVANOOZE69
      @IVANOOZE69 Рік тому

      @@xavierb9061 is English your 2nd language?

  • @joshuasabater5221
    @joshuasabater5221 Рік тому +115

    Gil is the blueprint he clawed his way up the rotation for playing time and made himself into best player on the wizards with pure hardwork and studying the coaches and players around him. More ppl should just keep they head down and grind

    • @eboooo
      @eboooo 7 місяців тому +2

      He wasn't supposed to be a second rounder he played for Arizona when that meant more.

    • @jamestownstudios8543
      @jamestownstudios8543 6 місяців тому +2

      You ain’t lyin’, Gil come out of nowhere. And he was cooking opponents that were flat footed.
      And he was so different as a person, he even had his own signature “leatherman” 😂
      Dude was a fucking worker!!!

  • @iAintSayDat
    @iAintSayDat Рік тому +131

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say Martin was a bust

    • @TheFilmSpace1
      @TheFilmSpace1 Рік тому +25

      He wasn’t he’s just being humble

    • @capitanawesome44
      @capitanawesome44 Рік тому +3

      For what we all thought Kenyon was gonna be. He was 70% of what we expected out of Cincy.
      He aint a bust making an all star and playing in two finals. But he was a BU

    • @JTS1128
      @JTS1128 Рік тому

      Agreed
      I didn’t know he was number 1 though
      But I believe he was all time great I. His prime. Man was big time

    • @apierre6
      @apierre6 Рік тому +1

      He was just a very good, but not elite player. I would say he didn't live up the expectations

    • @Fayn757
      @Fayn757 Рік тому

      Why all y’all Keep using the same comment , damn be original

  • @fdub301
    @fdub301 Рік тому +131

    Kenyon only making 1 all-star team actually surprised me

    • @jcc3333
      @jcc3333 Рік тому

      Was it during the finals run??

    • @eboooo
      @eboooo Рік тому +15

      He was an All Star his contract year in 2004. But he was the best in his draft class and maximized his potential. A very fine player

    • @dmvbawse4265
      @dmvbawse4265 Рік тому +6

      @@eboooothat’s saying much bc it was one of the weakest drafts. Stromile swift,Darius miles, Marcus fizer, Mike miller, demar Johnson, Chris mihm, Jamal Crawford in that order were the picks after Martin. That being said smack anyone that calls Kenyon Martin a bust

    • @chadrobertson8167
      @chadrobertson8167 Рік тому

      Me too

    • @Gemini050788
      @Gemini050788 Рік тому +1

      Not when you look at what he was up against in his position out West. KG, Timmy, Gasol, Stat, West, Dirk, KD etc Just too much.

  • @StayRilla215
    @StayRilla215 Рік тому +66

    I've always known KMart was the #1 pick and I've never considered him a bust. He always played hard , got buckets age never backed down. Never considered Camby a bust neither. 2 guys who played in the league when it was at its peak as far as talented PF/C. Sheed Wallace, Shaq, Duncan, Stat, KG, Dirk, Gasol, ZBO, Yao, Jamison , Odom, Elton Brand, Mutombo, J O'Neal , Shareef Abdur Rahim, Glenn Robinson, Glen Rice, Mcdyess etc etc . Last last great era of bigs

    • @mikemike7264
      @mikemike7264 Рік тому +1

      Don’t get how y’all don’t consider C Webb when talking about best pf/c. He was better than Timmy, kg, dirk, z no, Rasheed, amare during his prime. He kind of was in between with the Barkley & Malone era and the kg, Timmy, dirk era similar but c Webb, LJ, Shawn kemp & Derrick Coleman.

    • @apolloc3131
      @apolloc3131 Рік тому +2

      ​@@mikemike7264Webb was a shell of himself after 2005. Although I do agree that he should've been mentioned, I think he's forgotten because Kmart is remembering guys after he went to the west which is you guessed it; 2005. He only faced good CWebb in one year after he moved to the west.

    • @ricosuavepr1207
      @ricosuavepr1207 10 місяців тому

      Camby was an injury prone player, but ELITE Defender

    • @ricosuavepr1207
      @ricosuavepr1207 10 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@mikemike7264CWebb was an MVP candidate and on another level than most guys during his time with SAC. He averaged around 24/25-11-5 with 1.5 steals and blocks during his time in SAC. That 2000 year he should've probably been runner up for MVP bc SAC was a doormat before he got there. I remember SAC won about 26 games before CWebb then 27 his 1st year during the lockout season.

    • @edwardnigma4087
      @edwardnigma4087 5 місяців тому

      @@mikemike7264C Webb should be mentioned but no fucking way was he better than Duncan, KG, or Dirk, talking about 3 guys that are in the top 15 all time players ever!

  • @billybompton9814
    @billybompton9814 Рік тому +29

    Kenyon! I can’t speak for everybody but I’m certain most ppl would agree with you. You not a bust. You a testament of what the landscape of being successful in your craft looks like: being consistent, dedicated, and of service to the business/craft/art i.e. success looks like. Thank you bro🙏🏾.

    • @warmbeergamingdude
      @warmbeergamingdude Рік тому +1

      He’s definitely not a bust. He was an amazing playoff player

  • @SSSMOR.
    @SSSMOR. Рік тому +43

    Tyson Chandler was supposed to be the next kevin Garnett coming out of highschool I believe Chicago destroyed his confidence offensively and all he had left to stay in the leauge is play defense

    • @gregorylagrange
      @gregorylagrange Рік тому +4

      there wasn't a lot of hype that I know of around Tyson Chandler. But he developed into a good player. Was a key component in Dallas getting their only championship.
      And not keeping him was a key component in why they haven't come close to getting back.
      Centers take longer to develop anyway. They can't work on individual moves by themselves like other positions can. Being the biggest on the court they need another big person to really thoroughly work on things.
      So coming out of high school where it's even rarer to go against a similar size player makes it even worse.
      Dwight Howard should've played in college. It would've help his career long problem with bad footwork and being off balance posting up with his back to the basket.

    • @StinkMello12
      @StinkMello12 Рік тому

      ​@@gregorylagrangeChandler was definitely being touted coming outta HS (and was expected to be like a KG). I was in HS around the same time. If not mistaken he also got caught up in all the hoopla around that time around superstar HS players (Bron, Telfair, etc). Anyway CHI definitely fucked his mental up, and his potential. Then he has to rebrand his game as a lank, defensive anchor. 😂

    • @delmarfrazier2727
      @delmarfrazier2727 Рік тому

      Being from Chicago, Chandler and Curry was supposed to be the next Scotty and Mike they let us down. It’s too much pressure. You play for the great Chicago bulls that pressure will do that to anybody!

    • @laterrydorsey303
      @laterrydorsey303 Рік тому +1

      ​@@StinkMello12No he wasn't. Snd if he was...it was by people who didn't know ow hoops. Chandler was never supposed to be KG, THAT'S BIG CAP

    • @niqowyd
      @niqowyd Рік тому

      No one ever said this 😭 his draft comparison was Rasheed Wallace and they literally said “Wants to be like Kevin Garnett and play on the perimeter, but has very underdeveloped ball skills.” in his WEAKNESSES area.

  • @keexko
    @keexko Рік тому +15

    I love what Gil said here. You gotta make it happen, you gotta give yourself a chance by staying ready. It's all about earning it.

    • @4363HASHMI
      @4363HASHMI Рік тому

      What do you call an baller whose straight buckets that didn’t ‘earn’ his playing time?

    • @FurdgeBJJ
      @FurdgeBJJ 10 місяців тому

      The great ones would stand out eventually. Melo or wade would have become a star regardless, whether it was year 1 or year 3

  • @octavius9685
    @octavius9685 Рік тому +69

    Even when Darko was drafted, many commentators questioned the pick because what the roster was and the coach was notorious for NOT playing rookies.. Darko was just put in a shit situation from jump

    • @phoenixmg
      @phoenixmg Рік тому +5

      I've been saying that myself for years. Darko was set up to fail from the jump. Larry Brown generally wouldn't play rookies and he loved to instigate stupid mind games with players too. LeBron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh, and all those other solid to good dudes wouldn't have had a chance to play. Melo really would've had problems there given all the off the court shit and legal drama he got into in Denver. LeBron came into power and he and Larry really would've beefed.

    • @skillz78
      @skillz78 Рік тому +9

      Excuses. Gilbert already showed that using the situations as an excuse, the “coach don’t play rookies” as an excuse isn’t good enough. You train, prepare and whenever your number is called? Deliver. So that coach and/or other coaches see what you’re made of.
      Darko came into a situation where he wasn’t asked to carry a franchise. He wasn’t asked to produce right away. Unlike other rookies. And he had good veterans to learn from. If anything he should have been amazing when the smoke cleared. Instead he sulked, complained and let his frustrations get the best of him. Mentally weak.
      And for whatever it’s worth Larry brown has a long list of rookies who got significant minutes under him. Larry Hughes, Tim Thomas and Soeedy Claxton.

    • @delmarfrazier2727
      @delmarfrazier2727 Рік тому +1

      @@skillz78wrong how me going to play not to mention they bring in Chris Webber, now that’s 6 forwards! Where are you going to play in two minutes?

    • @kevothegoat9891
      @kevothegoat9891 Рік тому

      @@delmarfrazier2727if you balling in practice a good coach will play you

    • @poe_productofourenvironment
      @poe_productofourenvironment Рік тому +1

      Lol I don’t recall them questioning the pick when they knew before the draft he was the pick .. they said more good then bad about darko on draft night lol

  • @SSSMOR.
    @SSSMOR. Рік тому +26

    What helped Gilbert get his chance all the guards got hurt and he took advantage of his opportunity and proved he was a star right away on the court

    • @St_1786
      @St_1786 Рік тому

      Dreamworl..Bert is not cognizant...Trash effort on D, average passer- at best, average compared to many local park top Gs typa average...Chuckers and hoggers yanight..unyte... Point being..ijit wack spew S.." b .." " you shoulda.."... TF!.Yap yipping names in the same paragraph...This S is dumb And especially, Ilber typa, weak and dumb...Best leave names outta mouff.ShouldDig, eh AND duh- labels ...Fem FTar is clueless and likely shant...b brandin' mugz Figuredealit

    • @phresh1388
      @phresh1388 Рік тому +3

      Lol finally someone said it. Hughes, JRich both suffered injuries that allowed Gil to step into a more prominent role. You have to be given a fair shot unlike. Even Gil said when his teammates wanted the rock he’d pout and not play😂 so how can you then turn around and criticize someone for being broken down mentally over time

    • @delmarfrazier2727
      @delmarfrazier2727 Рік тому

      Not to mention, he’s a point guard with the mentality that he’s going to shoot soon as he get it!

    • @SSSMOR.
      @SSSMOR. Рік тому +1

      @@delmarfrazier2727 usually that hurt point guards back then he got fortunate

  • @anthonysmith2671
    @anthonysmith2671 Рік тому +11

    Been saying Sebastian telfair got an unfair bust label. Dude lasted 10 yrs in the league out of high school at 6 ft

    • @laterrydorsey303
      @laterrydorsey303 Рік тому +3

      He had a tough situation. He really needed that time with Patino at Louisville, but he felt like he had to make the NBA move because he had to get his mom's out the PJs...

  • @GOODMuzikBoi
    @GOODMuzikBoi Рік тому +38

    People considered Kenyon Martin a bust? I don’t see how. The draft was seen as a weak draft so the expectation wasn’t there.

    • @stringer2295
      @stringer2295 Рік тому +9

      I literally have never heard anyone call him a bust, he did exactly what we thought he would

    • @davidchandler6885
      @davidchandler6885 Рік тому +4

      Nobody ever did

    • @FromTheHipp
      @FromTheHipp Рік тому

      hes saying that he could be considered one if you look at his numbers vs his draft position retrospectively.

    • @GOODMuzikBoi
      @GOODMuzikBoi Рік тому +2

      @@FromTheHipp Kwame Brown is a bust. Anthony Bennett was a bust. Michael Olowokandi was a bust. Kenyon had a respectable career. No one really questioned his knowledge of the game or his efforts like the other guys I named.

    • @FromTheHipp
      @FromTheHipp Рік тому +1

      @@GOODMuzikBoi i dont understand your rebuttal. im telling you what kenyon is saying, not stating a position.

  • @jklee0323
    @jklee0323 Рік тому +100

    100% with Gil. You want someone to GIVE you a chance rather than TRYING to earn more minutes. Accept the challenge or sit on the bench and deflect your misfortune towards others. If you’re not built to fight for what you want then you’re not built for the league. And that’s why Darko was a BUST.

    • @andrewstokes6859
      @andrewstokes6859 Рік тому +7

      Or Detroit just sucks at young player development why waste a draft pick if you know you not goos play them they would of been better of trading the pick for a piece to complement their crew

    • @the_dark_knight5140
      @the_dark_knight5140 Рік тому

      And how do you try to earn more minutes if the coach rarely plays you

    • @Btheonly33
      @Btheonly33 10 місяців тому

      You can be 100% with whatever gil named scrubs he had to get passed compared to the Hof caliber players in front of darko and why draft a player first you aren't going to develop correctly sounds idiotic

  • @GrimmjowJaegerjaquez1003
    @GrimmjowJaegerjaquez1003 Рік тому +13

    Kenyon Martin is one of my top five favorite Power Forward, when he said “y’all can kiss me dead in my ssa” I died several times 2:23

    • @aironenise
      @aironenise Рік тому +2

      Mine too. Bad ass yella boy 🔥

  • @Magicstockton
    @Magicstockton Рік тому +18

    6:17 That’s not fair Larry Brown broke Darko. He wasn’t a coach that played rookies. So even if Joe D drafted Mr. Lala his career might’ve turned out differently. No numbers. Slow start. And Tayshaun was already there roaming around the paint.

    • @pandabear1576
      @pandabear1576 Рік тому

      Guarantee you with the skill set Melo had he would’ve been starting. It’s the same shit that was said about Nick Saban until he started recruiting guys who were bussing people’s asses in practice at a level he hadn’t seen in guys that young

    • @cjpe2265
      @cjpe2265 Рік тому +1

      ​@@pandabear1576bro that coach didn't even play those rookies(03) in the olympics.

    • @habavdekar
      @habavdekar Рік тому

      But now Melo would have been raised right in the game with vets like Chauncey, Ben, Rasheed and Rip. The pressure on him would have been way less than what it was in Denver especially the first year.

  • @devonmccalla498
    @devonmccalla498 Рік тому +13

    Love Gil’s mentality. Kenyon is dead on too if he never left the east he would have be a all star every year.

  • @ADAJ3KINGANGEL
    @ADAJ3KINGANGEL Рік тому +11

    4:00 I started thinking of forwards in the East at the time & I’m surprised Josh Smith never made an all star team.

    • @lightsoutdso
      @lightsoutdso Рік тому +1

      I remember being pissed TWICE when he was snubbed and that Matters long-term in such conversations

    • @cwellcpg
      @cwellcpg Рік тому +2

      Josh never made it because he was an idiot. Always played to his weaknesses and ignored his strengths. His replacement Paul Millsap made like 4 straight all stars right after Smoove left

  • @PrimordialBeing360
    @PrimordialBeing360 Рік тому +4

    Kenyon Martin needs to give himself more respect, not only was he not a bust but he was one of the best PF in the league. Him and JKidd ridiculous

  • @barryle8413
    @barryle8413 Рік тому +18

    Rashad explained why he didn’t pan out. That he can empathize with that mentality to give up, speaks a lot to him

    • @6Hustles
      @6Hustles 6 місяців тому

      Mfer like you never gave up on something. Mfers get righteous in these comments like they perfect. Knock it off mfer

  • @conchobar
    @conchobar Рік тому +19

    Detroit is has been a poor organization for developing talent for decades.

    • @naquanbennett3713
      @naquanbennett3713 Рік тому +1

      Been a pistons , you're absolutely right 🗣️ our best years had vets

  • @therealjayz8036
    @therealjayz8036 Рік тому +4

    I’m impressed Kwame wasn’t mentioned a single time 😂😂

  • @jonathanterrazas8486
    @jonathanterrazas8486 Рік тому +5

    Gilbert’s points always somehow lead to a self congratulatory speech lol

  • @DreChilly
    @DreChilly Рік тому +5

    He was supposed to be Ron Artest lite but never developed a handle or jumpshot I believe him hanging out with Doofus Drummond had somethin to do with his development and not taking it serious. It is what it is at this point if you're putting in the work another team is going to take notice and give you a shot ! Oh well it is what it 🤷 is.

  • @SSSMOR.
    @SSSMOR. Рік тому +9

    What hurt Stanley Johnson the leauge changed to a 3 point leauge a few years after he got drafted he would of had a 10 year career between 1970-2010

    • @terryjones662
      @terryjones662 Рік тому +2

      He was a poor man Ron Artest... higher jumping and less skilled... he could have had a better career...

    • @cwellcpg
      @cwellcpg Рік тому

      Cap. He’s another guy that struggled to shoot 40% from the field. For his size and physicality, that’s terrible. He wouldn’t have panned out in any era

    • @mrking1785
      @mrking1785 6 місяців тому

      If he had a good mid he would still be in the league

  • @FromTheHipp
    @FromTheHipp Рік тому +15

    stanley johnson's coaches never utilized him properly either. he was a center in high school that took it upon himself to change his game and developed, on his own, a 2-guard/small forward skillset. he has post game and the ability to play out of the post and all coaches ever do in the nba is play him off the ball 23 feet away from the basket. i agree with Gil but at the same time, a coach using players wrongly hurts just as much as not taking your opportunity.

    • @jordanned3075
      @jordanned3075 Рік тому

      I hear what you saying. But I disagree on Stanley. When he got to the league his size and strength were not an advantage. Yes he worked on his game but not to the level that he could consistently give 10-12 points a game. And his Defense wasn’t great. Avg def avg off.

    • @FromTheHipp
      @FromTheHipp Рік тому

      @@jordanned3075 you're not going to come to the league and impact the league right away on either end of the floor. even blue chip star players need time to develop and its wildly unreasonable to expect him to do that. the ones that do are all outliers. his **skillset** is what should have been utilized. 6'7" with a 7 foot wingspan is more than big enough to be able to get post work in the league.

    • @1z2x3c45b
      @1z2x3c45b Рік тому +4

      Stanley was not a Center in HS. He played at Mater Dei in Cali which I'm sure you are aware is a basketball powerhouse. They had plenty of size so didn't need him to play Center. He played the SF and SG positions. Went to many of their games when he was there back in the early 2010s.

    • @FromTheHipp
      @FromTheHipp Рік тому

      @@1z2x3c45b "At powerhouse Mater Dei High in Santa Ana, Calif., Johnson started as a center before moving to forward (sophomore year) then shooting guard (junior year) and finally, point guard (senior year)."
      i dont know why youtube keeps deleting my reply but this directly from a sports illustrated article.
      "When he entered high school at Mater Dei in Southern California, Johnson primarily played center and power forward. By the time he was a junior rising up the rankings to become a top-30 prospect, he was fully entrenched on the wing."
      this is directly from SB nation....and ive heard stanley talk about it as well. you're wrong my boy.

    • @aquartermil
      @aquartermil Рік тому +2

      That MAN WAS NOT A CENTER IN HIGHSCHOOL 😂😂ayo !!?

  • @isahabdullah8786
    @isahabdullah8786 Рік тому +4

    Man Kenyon brought an edge to teams. I loved watching him.

  • @jjjr20
    @jjjr20 Рік тому +1

    Tyson Chandler was considered a bust on the Bulls but grew out of that label when he showed his worth defensively on better teams.

  • @priztucker
    @priztucker Рік тому +17

    NBA had a lot of years in the early 2000's where there were a lot of crappy players and busts. The product suffered tremendously in that decade.

    • @Turk_2023
      @Turk_2023 Рік тому +5

      Straight from hs produced a ton of trash.... So did 1 and done in the 2010s

    • @EllisMcCollum-ww8tk
      @EllisMcCollum-ww8tk Рік тому

      2000s best era of basketball tbh

    • @priztucker
      @priztucker Рік тому +2

      @@EllisMcCollum-ww8tk how?

    • @JWhack
      @JWhack Рік тому

      ⁠@@priztuckerlast era of true post play before the 3 point revolution. Stars were giving more effort in the regular season compared to now and it’s not close. Star wise as well in that era was more entertaining to watch

    • @priztucker
      @priztucker Рік тому

      @@JWhack When 2000’s? That time period the NBA didn’t really grow. Remember when they had a bunch of games where teams scored 60 and 50 points and they had to rethink everything? Now 2010s had drama from Lebron going to South Beach, Pop and Spurs and Warriors clashing against Bron. NBA leaped past NFL during that time period. 2000s was just Lakers and Spurs. Remember how Spurs used to go to finals and nobody cared or watched? Omfg don’t remind me!

  • @rjejames28
    @rjejames28 Рік тому +2

    Gilberts mindset is next level I liked his take on a player only getting a couple minutes.

  • @GoatedCulturePodcast
    @GoatedCulturePodcast Рік тому +4

    They were naming all the top West PF ahead of Kenyon … how could they leave out Chris Webber , he was arguably top 3 at his peak , just as good as Duncan & KG imo …

    • @orlandochristopher7325
      @orlandochristopher7325 Рік тому +1

      I noticed that too

    • @Bigedub101
      @Bigedub101 Рік тому +1

      I mean he just naming them, they not gonna sit for 10 minutes trying to think of every PF

    • @GoatedCulturePodcast
      @GoatedCulturePodcast Рік тому

      @@Bigedub101 obviously 🙄 my point is cwebb should feel disrespected his name wasn’t mentioned in the first few names without even thinking , remember these aren’t casuals up here talking , this is KMart who was actually out there battling cwebb

  • @borganfreeman
    @borganfreeman Рік тому +1

    Kenyon Martin was at least a 3 time allstar in the east had he stayed there he was never the same after he broke his leg in college. He was a freak athlete with a mean streak and was Shawn Kemp 2.0. Had he not got hurt he probably was a 20 10 player. He's humble and he knows he was blessed to still go number one so by default he gave 120% effort but that's the type of player he was anyway. Look him up in college. He was similar to Zion Williamson and is an example how players can get somewhat forgotten 25 years down the road. Kenyon was an absolute nightmare coming out of college and is one of the what ifs in NBA history. He had a great run regardless but his career was riddled with injuries that started on that lob attempt in Cincinnati.

  • @MrBeaujangles51
    @MrBeaujangles51 Рік тому +3

    12:06 mccants built differently? I mean you made it, but you closer to Stanley Johnson and than you are to Gil

    • @RamSahuri
      @RamSahuri Рік тому

      Lol he talks like he was an all star.

    • @RamSahuri
      @RamSahuri Рік тому

      I only know him because of this podcast honestly lol.

    • @recodatruth8860
      @recodatruth8860 9 місяців тому

      Lmao..damn..what was his numbers like??

  • @2020mademeagamer
    @2020mademeagamer Рік тому +1

    Scouts also have to be held accountable for picking players that have no business being picked that high.

  • @nate_warthunder97
    @nate_warthunder97 2 місяці тому

    I like, you guys discussions. I played High school ball could have played college ball, but avenues took me in another path. Agent Zero is 100% right. You must make the most out of whatever time you have and just stay ready. My son plays middle school basketball now, and he complains about his minutes because he believes he should get more. I tell him to continue working on the things he can control and just stay ready. Don’t be vindictive to your team or other players. Just give effort and make things happen when you get an opportunity. Don’t have a pitty party, force the coaches to give you more time by being ready when your number is called.

  • @chelseadelon9628
    @chelseadelon9628 Рік тому +2

    Kmart was always respected, crazy he only had 1 all star… but he definitely was spot on to why it was only 1

  • @dumisatonyjohnson8145
    @dumisatonyjohnson8145 Рік тому +3

    He was one hell of a rebounder a solid 14 ppg scorer and a beast on defense
    Based on what I’ve seen
    I’m surprised he was never on a first team all defense

  • @johnQrl
    @johnQrl Рік тому +2

    Its harder for big men though. Gil being the point and SG had the ball in his hands in those limited minutes.

  • @blackmist1981
    @blackmist1981 Рік тому +4

    Wait a minute. 2 beers per Gatorade bottle is crazy 😂😂😂

    • @djshowout8001
      @djshowout8001 Рік тому

      Right I ain’t catch what player he was talking about

  • @michaelmamitesarmecin5137
    @michaelmamitesarmecin5137 Рік тому +2

    DARKO'S disadvantage, which made it impossible for him to have hustled the way Gil did, was that he was really new to the language and the culture as someone NOT from the US. That was the big difference. He really had NO chance.

    • @papertags
      @papertags Рік тому

      Darko spoke English lol

  • @dariushodges5893
    @dariushodges5893 Рік тому +3

    Kenyon Martin was a beast a grown man when he came in the league nothing about him is a bus

  • @jpp6429
    @jpp6429 Рік тому +2

    K Mart was ALWAYS contributing to winning for his teams. He was a defensive specialist and enforcer when those guys were needed in the league. Plus he wasn't an offensive liability.

  • @kingtim_ade
    @kingtim_ade Рік тому +1

    K-Mart wasn’t a bust at all!! Dude was nice on the Nets & Nuggets in his prime!! Whoever called K-Mart a bust shouldn’t talk basketball at all 😂

  • @mobetta2092
    @mobetta2092 6 місяців тому

    Gil isn’t lying. If i was great enough to make it to the league and was a player with little to no playing time I’d go all out to become a basketball and training junkie like LeBron or Kobe while being in the gym nonstop with trainers and no social life whatsoever..I’d even incorporate mma or boxing into my training in case I need to get busy with a bitter teammate in practice because I’m going so hard.
    I’d see a psychologist in order to help me tap deeper into a mental approach of being aggressive and unstoppable in whatever role I’m focusing on mastering.
    In practice the coach and my teammates would see that the team would benefit greatly from me in the rotation….then other teams would see what I have and want me also.

  • @geno8246
    @geno8246 Рік тому +1

    Gil’s first point was spot on as well, statistics don’t always reflect impact 1st round pick or not

  • @rjc9537
    @rjc9537 Рік тому +4

    I forgot that K-Mart was a #1 pick. He was a good, hard-playing, fan-favorite player. I was really sad when he left our hometown team in Jersey!
    We love you K-Mart!
    💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

  • @ericmclean4291
    @ericmclean4291 Рік тому +3

    Gil brought up a point that people leave out when discussing the Pistons in 03. Any pick that went there would have had a hard time. Larry Brown didn't play rookies and he has always been that way. Also, it would have taken a whole lot for Carmelo to win the SF job over Prince. Brown would have valued Tayshaun's defense over Melo's scoring ability. And Brown would've pulled Darko if he tried what Gil did.

  • @goatified_ysl2538
    @goatified_ysl2538 Рік тому +1

    Kenyon “yawaimsayin” got me dieing bruh

  • @kaytrout3836
    @kaytrout3836 11 місяців тому +1

    I watched Kenyon when he was with the Nets and he was a beast. He wasn’t a Tim Duncan or Garnet but he was missed when he left

  • @chrislo2007
    @chrislo2007 Рік тому +2

    If Kwame Brown was drafted in 2000 and went to a team with Jason Kidd he wouldn't be called a bust either. Kenyon Martin just doesn't wanna admit he was on a weakass draft class. Imagine K-Mart on that Jordan Wizards team and drafted #1. He would've gotten destroyed

    • @MrG__2
      @MrG__2 Рік тому +1

      I think Kenyon mental was different. I get what you’re saying. I just feel like Kenyon wouldn’t have had the same issues that Kwame did bc he would’ve gone back at MJ (which may have caused other issues but 🤷🏽‍♂️)

    • @chrislo2007
      @chrislo2007 Рік тому

      @@MrG__2 different experiences impact your mental makeup. i doubt kenyon does any differently in washington. MJ was trying to win chip #7(even if it was ridiculous) and not mentor anyone. kwame's mental is not weak either. for all the shit that he got he still had a 12 year career. pretty easy for KMart to have good "mental" when most of his career was on good teams as the 4th or 5th option.

    • @skillz78
      @skillz78 Рік тому

      Explain how KMART is getting destroyed had he been on the wizards in place of kwame????? This was a stupid take. He literally helped the Nets win and get to the finals his rookie season. MJ wanted a guy like that. He didn’t want a HS who had to go through growing pains and you had to be patient. He was in a win now mode. Kmart had 4 years of college under his belt. What are some of you dudes here talking about? Lol

  • @ccr35582
    @ccr35582 Рік тому +1

    Nah Kenyon wasn’t a bust. Also the 2000 draft was historically low as a whole. Like if you did a re-draft knowing what we know today he’s still going 1-2 easily.

  • @coolmoe3289
    @coolmoe3289 Рік тому +5

    Greg Oden is a Clear Definition of A BUST..

    • @everythingbuzzcityEBC
      @everythingbuzzcityEBC Рік тому

      How… bro suffered two career ending injuries and was 50-12 with Roy and LA Fck outta here

  • @Vorzilla
    @Vorzilla 7 місяців тому

    No way anyone calling Kenyan Martin a bust. Hes known as a beast on the board's and defense and when healthy he was finishing EVERYTHING. Solid NBA player

  • @walkoff2
    @walkoff2 Рік тому +1

    No one’s ever called Kenyon Martin a bust. Guy played in the league 15 years.

  • @thomascrowniii1693
    @thomascrowniii1693 Рік тому +2

    If you're a big you're reliant on people to get you the ball in your spots. It's easy for a guard to get up shots in limited minutes, they have the ball in their hands. Nobody was running plays for Darko during garbage time. Delfino and Delk were getting up shots.

  • @Play2Hiswill
    @Play2Hiswill Рік тому +7

    I love this discussion and especially on sportsman like conduct or sportsmanship as it pertains to the idea of not running the score up.
    I totally agree with the guys what is more sportman than to compete to the best of you ability until the end of the game. One of the biggest tenants of sports is the idea of competing. Every player is taught from childhood to compete for everything or until the last whistle but then in am actual competition you want players to stop because they have big lead. If thats truly how people feel how would they feel about instituting mercy rules.
    The whole idea goes against what you are supposed to do in sports which is compete until the end. Try to be your best amd get the most our of all hardwork and dedication you put in during practice, workouts, training etc. And bring it on game day.
    I fwel the sameway about players going for individual records why would we ever pull somebody out a game when they are getting the best our of all the effort they have put in practice and its all oozing out in actual game im this potential record breaking achievment and someone says you have enough of a great game lets put somebody else in to finish. The player should have the opportunity to jave their moment just as teams have their collective moments

  • @luddacriss
    @luddacriss 11 місяців тому

    K-Mart knows dang on well he wasn't a bust. He showed up EVERY single time he suited up. He performed the job they drafted him for.

  • @n_a8917
    @n_a8917 5 місяців тому

    Love having KMart on. He’s matured a ton since his Denver days

  • @thawkereynolds
    @thawkereynolds 7 місяців тому

    If Kenyon stayed on Nets, hes a borderline jersey in the rafters guy. People in NJ loved Kenyon, we always love the tough hardworking guy. Like Eli or Paul O’Neil, even Jeter wasn’t like Arod or Nomar we like the Hustle heart beat of the team leader and Kenyon was that type guy.

  • @kevinhousen2791
    @kevinhousen2791 Рік тому +1

    Gil funny as hell. "I'm getting 2 min I'm taking 5 shoots."

  • @melshotbuttonthoughts
    @melshotbuttonthoughts Рік тому

    Shoutout to Kenyan Martin and Al Harrington for not eating the “anti-Kwame Brown” hate that Gilbert Arenas tried to spin this discussion into!
    Gil made 2 contradictions:
    1. He agreed that going on teams with super stars can be a challenge, but often criticizes Kwame Brown WHO PLAYED ON A TEAM WITH JORDAN ring chasing those years
    2. He understood and accepted the idea that an ol school coach like Larry Brown wouldn’t Have even played Melo if they drafted him, but dismisses Doug Collins limiting Brown
    The more I think on it, if you look at Brown’s career and even Arenas should understand, they both played on notoriously bad teams throughout their career with the exception of maybe 2 seasons.
    Gil can do so much more when he stops trying to get people to co sign his hate for Brown. That might work for Vlad TV but not for most NBA retired players

  • @Polo22546
    @Polo22546 Рік тому

    I love to hear the player’s perspective on these things as opposed to the network “analysts” that never even shot a damn free throw.

  • @tonyochiha9798
    @tonyochiha9798 Рік тому

    Kenyon was at his worst, a solid NBA starter and role player. He was never considered a bust.

  • @makochin
    @makochin Рік тому +1

    Kenyon Martin's draft class was one of the weakest. I don't understand who is out there calling him a bust. Who else would you draft ahead of Kmart? Stromile Swift? Marcus Fizer? Chris Mihm?

  • @AJayTheDogg
    @AJayTheDogg Рік тому +1

    That’s what I be saying man! You can’t look at analytics and judge a player! You gotta watch em play!!

  • @tradingplacez
    @tradingplacez 7 місяців тому

    No one considers K-Mart a bus, Gill came out up out the blue and made himself a GOAT

  • @8400meechie
    @8400meechie Рік тому

    Whoever’s workin the audio needs a raise , this louder then most songs

  • @jonpoon3896
    @jonpoon3896 10 місяців тому

    Love Gil’s mindset of earning his minutes. “When I come in, score is 0-0”

  • @philipwest6317
    @philipwest6317 Рік тому +1

    when kmart was drafted scouts were focused on athletic ability. prime example is stromile swift and ty thomas. kmart probably would be second round in today's nba.

  • @StockMarketBiggs
    @StockMarketBiggs Рік тому +1

    That “Bust” label is how coaches and GM’s abdicate responsibility for picking poorly and not developing players

    • @MrJflomario
      @MrJflomario Рік тому

      Pretty much. The NBA is mostly about timing but the best organizations can get the most out of their players no matter what is going on in the league.

  • @YouReallyDontKnow
    @YouReallyDontKnow Рік тому +3

    Lmao I can’t take mccants seriously talking like he was worth anything in the NBA 😂 dude played like 3 seasons and was a bench warmer the whole time talking about how when he come in the team starts fighting back 😂😂

    • @justinmac9861
      @justinmac9861 Рік тому

      Right had me dead ass confused cause huh ?? Must be talking bout his games for Mr. Ice Cubes .. 🤔

  • @ddavis8988
    @ddavis8988 Рік тому

    We keep trying to re-define bust when it's been clear what a bust is forever.
    Now, people putting emotions into.

  • @naquanmcneil5320
    @naquanmcneil5320 6 місяців тому

    The self reflection in McCants makes me respect him even more

  • @Fotosynthesis858
    @Fotosynthesis858 7 місяців тому

    I was really disappointed that Greg Oden never even tried to come back after the injury. I know his injury was severe, but it’s like he didn’t even try. I was hyped on him because I watched every college game he played smh.

  • @kennethglenn4502
    @kennethglenn4502 5 місяців тому

    New drinking game every time you here “nome sayin” you gotta drink 😂

  • @brockman562
    @brockman562 Рік тому +1

    Kenyon isn't a bust. a bust is someone that doesn't try/put in the work. as Redick would say... 'I can always tell after the first day of training camp who will last and who isn't committed.'

  • @aslackjr4466
    @aslackjr4466 7 місяців тому

    Automatically if you are a starter in the NBA for 10 years you cannot be a bust

  • @BeWiseLegette
    @BeWiseLegette 11 місяців тому

    Kenyon no thinks you was a bust. Your game is respected.

  • @jsyv9891
    @jsyv9891 Рік тому +1

    He was so important to any team he played on, yet the nets wouldn’t offer him a contract. Makes no sense. Listening to these guys relish in their heyday cracks me up. They caught the biggest fish ever haha

  • @darricksublet9833
    @darricksublet9833 Рік тому +1

    Take the money and Run, run, run

  • @phillycezaarr9963
    @phillycezaarr9963 6 місяців тому

    Expectations are important in being a bust, what’s the expectation and what actually happened. Are you expected to lead a team? Etc.. that’s how I gauge if someone is a bust. But I also don’t think bust means your bad just didn’t reach expectations, like Simmons or Fultz in more recent times. IMO

  • @harlequin2280
    @harlequin2280 7 місяців тому

    In the early 2000's offense, how was a big supposed to generate his own offense with his 4 minutes? If he rebounds the ball on the defensive end and tries to take it up the court he'll get pulled from the game. If he lingers on the perimeter in order to get a swing pass then he either has to drive or shoot the 3 to create his own shot... again he'll get taken out of the game. If he works the block and doesn't get a pass from the guard, then his only shot is working the offensive glass... and playing for the offensive board is not what a scoring big seeks to do. In that era, only guards could be greedy with their minutes.

  • @DanTheSpearMan
    @DanTheSpearMan Рік тому

    I really respected Gil’s perspective here about what makes a dude a bust and going hard no matter what amount of minutes you’re given and proving yourself.

  • @tristan10880
    @tristan10880 Рік тому +1

    I don’t think anyone would consider Kenyon Martin a bust

  • @JustGrowSG
    @JustGrowSG 10 місяців тому

    “You give me two minutes, I’m taking 5 shots”. 😂😂🔥🔥💯

  • @dpruitt1458
    @dpruitt1458 Рік тому +1

    Kenyon must’ve been on stunted growth but real ones know he was a baller

    • @phoenixmg
      @phoenixmg Рік тому +1

      He actually has a video there that came out 2 years ago

  • @chevonguthrie4098
    @chevonguthrie4098 5 місяців тому

    Rashad: You’re built differently, I’m built diff…
    Everybody’s brain: AHT AHT AHT

  • @lockavelli
    @lockavelli 10 місяців тому

    Gilbert right about Detroit because they wasn't breaking our starting 5 in 03 and it was good for those players we just didn't need the 2nd pick than year

  • @SportyRanksTV
    @SportyRanksTV 5 місяців тому

    I agree with Gil, when u get in u gotta show out. U right about Darco

  • @desean3402
    @desean3402 Рік тому

    I’ve never heard a single player say that Kenyon was a bust.

  • @DaTruthHurtzzzz
    @DaTruthHurtzzzz Рік тому +1

    Kenyon might be the most forgotten #1 pick because he's not embarrassingly bad where people remember him as one of the worst but he's nowhere near the best where people remember him for being elite. He's right in the middle

    • @realjohnlove
      @realjohnlove Рік тому

      Ppl remember his time in Denver fondly thats why. They had a roster with names ppl knew. Marcus Camby, Kenyon Martin, Carmelo, JR Smith, Billups was a great starting lineup. Then they had Ty Lawson coming off the bench at one point. The only reason that squad never made the Finals is cause they were in the West. Otherwise that squad was a great team that didnt make it

  • @atlantahawksfan8443
    @atlantahawksfan8443 Рік тому

    This is the best example and most recent for me. Anthony Bennett is a Bust. No catastrophic or chronic injuries, fairy out of shape, put up no numbers, and to make matters worse Giannis Antetokoumpo was in that draft...

  • @jamesbennett1634
    @jamesbennett1634 9 місяців тому

    I remember Stanley Johnson coming to the Lakers a couple of years ago on 10 day contracts. He was a breath of fresh air, as he played hard and played defense, two things the Lakers sorely lacked at that time. For that alone, I don't consider Stanley a bust.

  • @albertdaley9093
    @albertdaley9093 Рік тому +1

    Shaq said somtimes you got to tell the coach you got it to get your shine

  • @joshisaac2790
    @joshisaac2790 10 місяців тому

    Gil hit right on the head about the sportsmanlike conduct “unwritten rule”. Athletes are taught to play hard end to end, you can’t tell us to just stop playing because the game is outta hand. That’s exactly the narrative surrounding the tournament now. Forget all that, play hard or go home.

  • @evturnernation
    @evturnernation 10 місяців тому

    No one in their right mind has described Kenyon Martin as a bust, C'mon now that man was a PROBLEM

  • @khahimv
    @khahimv 10 місяців тому +1

    Mccants was definitely supposed to have a wayyyy better career than he did, I honestly don’t even remember him for averaging 15 i gotta look up his highlights lol

  • @Bluemaverick11
    @Bluemaverick11 Рік тому

    Context does matters. We should always bring that context to the conversation. I wish they were consistent with bringing that context.

  • @IBNZ1W
    @IBNZ1W 10 місяців тому

    I 150% agree with Gilbert Arenas. If one team down 20+ near the end of games and the second or third string sub in, let those brothers eat.

  • @Greego
    @Greego Рік тому

    I never even heard the whole narrative of Kenyon being a bust. Watching this video is the first time I ever even heard anyone allude to that at all. I guess they just need some talking points this off-season week.
    A lot of times we blame coaches and teams for someone’s “bustivity” but Kobe and maybe Gil too are prime examples of how you can work hard to excel despite all of that. A lot of times, folks just have a ceiling that they reach in their abilities/skills and mentality that just prevents them from getting to the next level.
    It is not enough to just get to the NBA. The draft process can’t weed out every single player who cannot ascend to the NBA level. Some will sneak in but then hit a wall that their abilities just won’t allow them to climb.