Gilbert Arenas Defines What Makes An NBA Player A BUST
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Gilbert Arenas Defines What Makes An NBA Player A BUST as he, Kenyon Martin and Rashad McCants break down Stanley Johnson's comments about being considered a bust and apply it to their own careers.
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Hearing Rashad McCants talk about himself while everyone else quiet is hilarious 😂😂
😂😂😂. Talking about he aint no bust. Man please😂😂
He can’t be a bust if nothing was expected of him
Nobody cared lol 😂 McCan't
McCant was out of nba in 3 years. Lol
@@mrtappingoutwell not out, he chose to make more money overseas which was smart
I have never heard Kenyon Martin described as a busy despite being a number 1 pick. Because he clearly wasn't a bust. He had a good career with flashes of greatness. A bust is a guy who disappoints so badly that his career is barely a footnote. Kenyon Martin played 15 years and was a important player on multiple teams. He was never a MVP level player but he was a starter for a decade plus. Definitely not close to a bust.
Yeah but u expect a first pick to become a star. Kmart was like andrew bogut, never a star but a really important player, not a hall of famer tho
Never have a beard Kmart being labeled a bust. Anthony Bennett on the other hand didn’t even play 2 seasons and showed no flashes of talent
He wasnt labelled bust because 2000 was worst draft of alltime. Only 2 of first 20 made allstar. Crazy bad draft
Yea I didn't either he got hurt though because he was getting 16-18 with 7-10 boards and played good defense until he got hurt theb he was just defensive mainly
@@xavierb9061 is English your 2nd language?
Gil is the blueprint he clawed his way up the rotation for playing time and made himself into best player on the wizards with pure hardwork and studying the coaches and players around him. More ppl should just keep they head down and grind
He wasn't supposed to be a second rounder he played for Arizona when that meant more.
You ain’t lyin’, Gil come out of nowhere. And he was cooking opponents that were flat footed.
And he was so different as a person, he even had his own signature “leatherman” 😂
Dude was a fucking worker!!!
I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say Martin was a bust
He wasn’t he’s just being humble
For what we all thought Kenyon was gonna be. He was 70% of what we expected out of Cincy.
He aint a bust making an all star and playing in two finals. But he was a BU
Agreed
I didn’t know he was number 1 though
But I believe he was all time great I. His prime. Man was big time
He was just a very good, but not elite player. I would say he didn't live up the expectations
Why all y’all Keep using the same comment , damn be original
Kenyon only making 1 all-star team actually surprised me
Was it during the finals run??
He was an All Star his contract year in 2004. But he was the best in his draft class and maximized his potential. A very fine player
@@eboooothat’s saying much bc it was one of the weakest drafts. Stromile swift,Darius miles, Marcus fizer, Mike miller, demar Johnson, Chris mihm, Jamal Crawford in that order were the picks after Martin. That being said smack anyone that calls Kenyon Martin a bust
Me too
Not when you look at what he was up against in his position out West. KG, Timmy, Gasol, Stat, West, Dirk, KD etc Just too much.
I've always known KMart was the #1 pick and I've never considered him a bust. He always played hard , got buckets age never backed down. Never considered Camby a bust neither. 2 guys who played in the league when it was at its peak as far as talented PF/C. Sheed Wallace, Shaq, Duncan, Stat, KG, Dirk, Gasol, ZBO, Yao, Jamison , Odom, Elton Brand, Mutombo, J O'Neal , Shareef Abdur Rahim, Glenn Robinson, Glen Rice, Mcdyess etc etc . Last last great era of bigs
Don’t get how y’all don’t consider C Webb when talking about best pf/c. He was better than Timmy, kg, dirk, z no, Rasheed, amare during his prime. He kind of was in between with the Barkley & Malone era and the kg, Timmy, dirk era similar but c Webb, LJ, Shawn kemp & Derrick Coleman.
@@mikemike7264Webb was a shell of himself after 2005. Although I do agree that he should've been mentioned, I think he's forgotten because Kmart is remembering guys after he went to the west which is you guessed it; 2005. He only faced good CWebb in one year after he moved to the west.
Camby was an injury prone player, but ELITE Defender
@@mikemike7264CWebb was an MVP candidate and on another level than most guys during his time with SAC. He averaged around 24/25-11-5 with 1.5 steals and blocks during his time in SAC. That 2000 year he should've probably been runner up for MVP bc SAC was a doormat before he got there. I remember SAC won about 26 games before CWebb then 27 his 1st year during the lockout season.
@@mikemike7264C Webb should be mentioned but no fucking way was he better than Duncan, KG, or Dirk, talking about 3 guys that are in the top 15 all time players ever!
Kenyon! I can’t speak for everybody but I’m certain most ppl would agree with you. You not a bust. You a testament of what the landscape of being successful in your craft looks like: being consistent, dedicated, and of service to the business/craft/art i.e. success looks like. Thank you bro🙏🏾.
He’s definitely not a bust. He was an amazing playoff player
Tyson Chandler was supposed to be the next kevin Garnett coming out of highschool I believe Chicago destroyed his confidence offensively and all he had left to stay in the leauge is play defense
there wasn't a lot of hype that I know of around Tyson Chandler. But he developed into a good player. Was a key component in Dallas getting their only championship.
And not keeping him was a key component in why they haven't come close to getting back.
Centers take longer to develop anyway. They can't work on individual moves by themselves like other positions can. Being the biggest on the court they need another big person to really thoroughly work on things.
So coming out of high school where it's even rarer to go against a similar size player makes it even worse.
Dwight Howard should've played in college. It would've help his career long problem with bad footwork and being off balance posting up with his back to the basket.
@@gregorylagrangeChandler was definitely being touted coming outta HS (and was expected to be like a KG). I was in HS around the same time. If not mistaken he also got caught up in all the hoopla around that time around superstar HS players (Bron, Telfair, etc). Anyway CHI definitely fucked his mental up, and his potential. Then he has to rebrand his game as a lank, defensive anchor. 😂
Being from Chicago, Chandler and Curry was supposed to be the next Scotty and Mike they let us down. It’s too much pressure. You play for the great Chicago bulls that pressure will do that to anybody!
@@StinkMello12No he wasn't. Snd if he was...it was by people who didn't know ow hoops. Chandler was never supposed to be KG, THAT'S BIG CAP
No one ever said this 😭 his draft comparison was Rasheed Wallace and they literally said “Wants to be like Kevin Garnett and play on the perimeter, but has very underdeveloped ball skills.” in his WEAKNESSES area.
I love what Gil said here. You gotta make it happen, you gotta give yourself a chance by staying ready. It's all about earning it.
What do you call an baller whose straight buckets that didn’t ‘earn’ his playing time?
The great ones would stand out eventually. Melo or wade would have become a star regardless, whether it was year 1 or year 3
Even when Darko was drafted, many commentators questioned the pick because what the roster was and the coach was notorious for NOT playing rookies.. Darko was just put in a shit situation from jump
I've been saying that myself for years. Darko was set up to fail from the jump. Larry Brown generally wouldn't play rookies and he loved to instigate stupid mind games with players too. LeBron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh, and all those other solid to good dudes wouldn't have had a chance to play. Melo really would've had problems there given all the off the court shit and legal drama he got into in Denver. LeBron came into power and he and Larry really would've beefed.
Excuses. Gilbert already showed that using the situations as an excuse, the “coach don’t play rookies” as an excuse isn’t good enough. You train, prepare and whenever your number is called? Deliver. So that coach and/or other coaches see what you’re made of.
Darko came into a situation where he wasn’t asked to carry a franchise. He wasn’t asked to produce right away. Unlike other rookies. And he had good veterans to learn from. If anything he should have been amazing when the smoke cleared. Instead he sulked, complained and let his frustrations get the best of him. Mentally weak.
And for whatever it’s worth Larry brown has a long list of rookies who got significant minutes under him. Larry Hughes, Tim Thomas and Soeedy Claxton.
@@skillz78wrong how me going to play not to mention they bring in Chris Webber, now that’s 6 forwards! Where are you going to play in two minutes?
@@delmarfrazier2727if you balling in practice a good coach will play you
Lol I don’t recall them questioning the pick when they knew before the draft he was the pick .. they said more good then bad about darko on draft night lol
What helped Gilbert get his chance all the guards got hurt and he took advantage of his opportunity and proved he was a star right away on the court
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Lol finally someone said it. Hughes, JRich both suffered injuries that allowed Gil to step into a more prominent role. You have to be given a fair shot unlike. Even Gil said when his teammates wanted the rock he’d pout and not play😂 so how can you then turn around and criticize someone for being broken down mentally over time
Not to mention, he’s a point guard with the mentality that he’s going to shoot soon as he get it!
@@delmarfrazier2727 usually that hurt point guards back then he got fortunate
Been saying Sebastian telfair got an unfair bust label. Dude lasted 10 yrs in the league out of high school at 6 ft
He had a tough situation. He really needed that time with Patino at Louisville, but he felt like he had to make the NBA move because he had to get his mom's out the PJs...
People considered Kenyon Martin a bust? I don’t see how. The draft was seen as a weak draft so the expectation wasn’t there.
I literally have never heard anyone call him a bust, he did exactly what we thought he would
Nobody ever did
hes saying that he could be considered one if you look at his numbers vs his draft position retrospectively.
@@FromTheHipp Kwame Brown is a bust. Anthony Bennett was a bust. Michael Olowokandi was a bust. Kenyon had a respectable career. No one really questioned his knowledge of the game or his efforts like the other guys I named.
@@GOODMuzikBoi i dont understand your rebuttal. im telling you what kenyon is saying, not stating a position.
100% with Gil. You want someone to GIVE you a chance rather than TRYING to earn more minutes. Accept the challenge or sit on the bench and deflect your misfortune towards others. If you’re not built to fight for what you want then you’re not built for the league. And that’s why Darko was a BUST.
Or Detroit just sucks at young player development why waste a draft pick if you know you not goos play them they would of been better of trading the pick for a piece to complement their crew
And how do you try to earn more minutes if the coach rarely plays you
You can be 100% with whatever gil named scrubs he had to get passed compared to the Hof caliber players in front of darko and why draft a player first you aren't going to develop correctly sounds idiotic
Kenyon Martin is one of my top five favorite Power Forward, when he said “y’all can kiss me dead in my ssa” I died several times 2:23
Mine too. Bad ass yella boy 🔥
6:17 That’s not fair Larry Brown broke Darko. He wasn’t a coach that played rookies. So even if Joe D drafted Mr. Lala his career might’ve turned out differently. No numbers. Slow start. And Tayshaun was already there roaming around the paint.
Guarantee you with the skill set Melo had he would’ve been starting. It’s the same shit that was said about Nick Saban until he started recruiting guys who were bussing people’s asses in practice at a level he hadn’t seen in guys that young
@@pandabear1576bro that coach didn't even play those rookies(03) in the olympics.
But now Melo would have been raised right in the game with vets like Chauncey, Ben, Rasheed and Rip. The pressure on him would have been way less than what it was in Denver especially the first year.
Love Gil’s mentality. Kenyon is dead on too if he never left the east he would have be a all star every year.
4:00 I started thinking of forwards in the East at the time & I’m surprised Josh Smith never made an all star team.
I remember being pissed TWICE when he was snubbed and that Matters long-term in such conversations
Josh never made it because he was an idiot. Always played to his weaknesses and ignored his strengths. His replacement Paul Millsap made like 4 straight all stars right after Smoove left
Kenyon Martin needs to give himself more respect, not only was he not a bust but he was one of the best PF in the league. Him and JKidd ridiculous
Rashad explained why he didn’t pan out. That he can empathize with that mentality to give up, speaks a lot to him
Mfer like you never gave up on something. Mfers get righteous in these comments like they perfect. Knock it off mfer
Detroit is has been a poor organization for developing talent for decades.
Been a pistons , you're absolutely right 🗣️ our best years had vets
I’m impressed Kwame wasn’t mentioned a single time 😂😂
Gilbert’s points always somehow lead to a self congratulatory speech lol
He was supposed to be Ron Artest lite but never developed a handle or jumpshot I believe him hanging out with Doofus Drummond had somethin to do with his development and not taking it serious. It is what it is at this point if you're putting in the work another team is going to take notice and give you a shot ! Oh well it is what it 🤷 is.
What hurt Stanley Johnson the leauge changed to a 3 point leauge a few years after he got drafted he would of had a 10 year career between 1970-2010
He was a poor man Ron Artest... higher jumping and less skilled... he could have had a better career...
Cap. He’s another guy that struggled to shoot 40% from the field. For his size and physicality, that’s terrible. He wouldn’t have panned out in any era
If he had a good mid he would still be in the league
stanley johnson's coaches never utilized him properly either. he was a center in high school that took it upon himself to change his game and developed, on his own, a 2-guard/small forward skillset. he has post game and the ability to play out of the post and all coaches ever do in the nba is play him off the ball 23 feet away from the basket. i agree with Gil but at the same time, a coach using players wrongly hurts just as much as not taking your opportunity.
I hear what you saying. But I disagree on Stanley. When he got to the league his size and strength were not an advantage. Yes he worked on his game but not to the level that he could consistently give 10-12 points a game. And his Defense wasn’t great. Avg def avg off.
@@jordanned3075 you're not going to come to the league and impact the league right away on either end of the floor. even blue chip star players need time to develop and its wildly unreasonable to expect him to do that. the ones that do are all outliers. his **skillset** is what should have been utilized. 6'7" with a 7 foot wingspan is more than big enough to be able to get post work in the league.
Stanley was not a Center in HS. He played at Mater Dei in Cali which I'm sure you are aware is a basketball powerhouse. They had plenty of size so didn't need him to play Center. He played the SF and SG positions. Went to many of their games when he was there back in the early 2010s.
@@1z2x3c45b "At powerhouse Mater Dei High in Santa Ana, Calif., Johnson started as a center before moving to forward (sophomore year) then shooting guard (junior year) and finally, point guard (senior year)."
i dont know why youtube keeps deleting my reply but this directly from a sports illustrated article.
"When he entered high school at Mater Dei in Southern California, Johnson primarily played center and power forward. By the time he was a junior rising up the rankings to become a top-30 prospect, he was fully entrenched on the wing."
this is directly from SB nation....and ive heard stanley talk about it as well. you're wrong my boy.
That MAN WAS NOT A CENTER IN HIGHSCHOOL 😂😂ayo !!?
Man Kenyon brought an edge to teams. I loved watching him.
Tyson Chandler was considered a bust on the Bulls but grew out of that label when he showed his worth defensively on better teams.
NBA had a lot of years in the early 2000's where there were a lot of crappy players and busts. The product suffered tremendously in that decade.
Straight from hs produced a ton of trash.... So did 1 and done in the 2010s
2000s best era of basketball tbh
@@EllisMcCollum-ww8tk how?
@@priztuckerlast era of true post play before the 3 point revolution. Stars were giving more effort in the regular season compared to now and it’s not close. Star wise as well in that era was more entertaining to watch
@@JWhack When 2000’s? That time period the NBA didn’t really grow. Remember when they had a bunch of games where teams scored 60 and 50 points and they had to rethink everything? Now 2010s had drama from Lebron going to South Beach, Pop and Spurs and Warriors clashing against Bron. NBA leaped past NFL during that time period. 2000s was just Lakers and Spurs. Remember how Spurs used to go to finals and nobody cared or watched? Omfg don’t remind me!
Gilberts mindset is next level I liked his take on a player only getting a couple minutes.
They were naming all the top West PF ahead of Kenyon … how could they leave out Chris Webber , he was arguably top 3 at his peak , just as good as Duncan & KG imo …
I noticed that too
I mean he just naming them, they not gonna sit for 10 minutes trying to think of every PF
@@Bigedub101 obviously 🙄 my point is cwebb should feel disrespected his name wasn’t mentioned in the first few names without even thinking , remember these aren’t casuals up here talking , this is KMart who was actually out there battling cwebb
Kenyon Martin was at least a 3 time allstar in the east had he stayed there he was never the same after he broke his leg in college. He was a freak athlete with a mean streak and was Shawn Kemp 2.0. Had he not got hurt he probably was a 20 10 player. He's humble and he knows he was blessed to still go number one so by default he gave 120% effort but that's the type of player he was anyway. Look him up in college. He was similar to Zion Williamson and is an example how players can get somewhat forgotten 25 years down the road. Kenyon was an absolute nightmare coming out of college and is one of the what ifs in NBA history. He had a great run regardless but his career was riddled with injuries that started on that lob attempt in Cincinnati.
12:06 mccants built differently? I mean you made it, but you closer to Stanley Johnson and than you are to Gil
Lol he talks like he was an all star.
I only know him because of this podcast honestly lol.
Lmao..damn..what was his numbers like??
Scouts also have to be held accountable for picking players that have no business being picked that high.
I like, you guys discussions. I played High school ball could have played college ball, but avenues took me in another path. Agent Zero is 100% right. You must make the most out of whatever time you have and just stay ready. My son plays middle school basketball now, and he complains about his minutes because he believes he should get more. I tell him to continue working on the things he can control and just stay ready. Don’t be vindictive to your team or other players. Just give effort and make things happen when you get an opportunity. Don’t have a pitty party, force the coaches to give you more time by being ready when your number is called.
Kmart was always respected, crazy he only had 1 all star… but he definitely was spot on to why it was only 1
He was one hell of a rebounder a solid 14 ppg scorer and a beast on defense
Based on what I’ve seen
I’m surprised he was never on a first team all defense
Its harder for big men though. Gil being the point and SG had the ball in his hands in those limited minutes.
Wait a minute. 2 beers per Gatorade bottle is crazy 😂😂😂
Right I ain’t catch what player he was talking about
DARKO'S disadvantage, which made it impossible for him to have hustled the way Gil did, was that he was really new to the language and the culture as someone NOT from the US. That was the big difference. He really had NO chance.
Darko spoke English lol
Kenyon Martin was a beast a grown man when he came in the league nothing about him is a bus
K Mart was ALWAYS contributing to winning for his teams. He was a defensive specialist and enforcer when those guys were needed in the league. Plus he wasn't an offensive liability.
K-Mart wasn’t a bust at all!! Dude was nice on the Nets & Nuggets in his prime!! Whoever called K-Mart a bust shouldn’t talk basketball at all 😂
He was good on the knicks to
Gil isn’t lying. If i was great enough to make it to the league and was a player with little to no playing time I’d go all out to become a basketball and training junkie like LeBron or Kobe while being in the gym nonstop with trainers and no social life whatsoever..I’d even incorporate mma or boxing into my training in case I need to get busy with a bitter teammate in practice because I’m going so hard.
I’d see a psychologist in order to help me tap deeper into a mental approach of being aggressive and unstoppable in whatever role I’m focusing on mastering.
In practice the coach and my teammates would see that the team would benefit greatly from me in the rotation….then other teams would see what I have and want me also.
Gil’s first point was spot on as well, statistics don’t always reflect impact 1st round pick or not
I forgot that K-Mart was a #1 pick. He was a good, hard-playing, fan-favorite player. I was really sad when he left our hometown team in Jersey!
We love you K-Mart!
💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Gil brought up a point that people leave out when discussing the Pistons in 03. Any pick that went there would have had a hard time. Larry Brown didn't play rookies and he has always been that way. Also, it would have taken a whole lot for Carmelo to win the SF job over Prince. Brown would have valued Tayshaun's defense over Melo's scoring ability. And Brown would've pulled Darko if he tried what Gil did.
Kenyon “yawaimsayin” got me dieing bruh
I watched Kenyon when he was with the Nets and he was a beast. He wasn’t a Tim Duncan or Garnet but he was missed when he left
If Kwame Brown was drafted in 2000 and went to a team with Jason Kidd he wouldn't be called a bust either. Kenyon Martin just doesn't wanna admit he was on a weakass draft class. Imagine K-Mart on that Jordan Wizards team and drafted #1. He would've gotten destroyed
I think Kenyon mental was different. I get what you’re saying. I just feel like Kenyon wouldn’t have had the same issues that Kwame did bc he would’ve gone back at MJ (which may have caused other issues but 🤷🏽♂️)
@@MrG__2 different experiences impact your mental makeup. i doubt kenyon does any differently in washington. MJ was trying to win chip #7(even if it was ridiculous) and not mentor anyone. kwame's mental is not weak either. for all the shit that he got he still had a 12 year career. pretty easy for KMart to have good "mental" when most of his career was on good teams as the 4th or 5th option.
Explain how KMART is getting destroyed had he been on the wizards in place of kwame????? This was a stupid take. He literally helped the Nets win and get to the finals his rookie season. MJ wanted a guy like that. He didn’t want a HS who had to go through growing pains and you had to be patient. He was in a win now mode. Kmart had 4 years of college under his belt. What are some of you dudes here talking about? Lol
Nah Kenyon wasn’t a bust. Also the 2000 draft was historically low as a whole. Like if you did a re-draft knowing what we know today he’s still going 1-2 easily.
Greg Oden is a Clear Definition of A BUST..
How… bro suffered two career ending injuries and was 50-12 with Roy and LA Fck outta here
No way anyone calling Kenyan Martin a bust. Hes known as a beast on the board's and defense and when healthy he was finishing EVERYTHING. Solid NBA player
No one’s ever called Kenyon Martin a bust. Guy played in the league 15 years.
If you're a big you're reliant on people to get you the ball in your spots. It's easy for a guard to get up shots in limited minutes, they have the ball in their hands. Nobody was running plays for Darko during garbage time. Delfino and Delk were getting up shots.
I love this discussion and especially on sportsman like conduct or sportsmanship as it pertains to the idea of not running the score up.
I totally agree with the guys what is more sportman than to compete to the best of you ability until the end of the game. One of the biggest tenants of sports is the idea of competing. Every player is taught from childhood to compete for everything or until the last whistle but then in am actual competition you want players to stop because they have big lead. If thats truly how people feel how would they feel about instituting mercy rules.
The whole idea goes against what you are supposed to do in sports which is compete until the end. Try to be your best amd get the most our of all hardwork and dedication you put in during practice, workouts, training etc. And bring it on game day.
I fwel the sameway about players going for individual records why would we ever pull somebody out a game when they are getting the best our of all the effort they have put in practice and its all oozing out in actual game im this potential record breaking achievment and someone says you have enough of a great game lets put somebody else in to finish. The player should have the opportunity to jave their moment just as teams have their collective moments
K-Mart knows dang on well he wasn't a bust. He showed up EVERY single time he suited up. He performed the job they drafted him for.
Love having KMart on. He’s matured a ton since his Denver days
If Kenyon stayed on Nets, hes a borderline jersey in the rafters guy. People in NJ loved Kenyon, we always love the tough hardworking guy. Like Eli or Paul O’Neil, even Jeter wasn’t like Arod or Nomar we like the Hustle heart beat of the team leader and Kenyon was that type guy.
Gil funny as hell. "I'm getting 2 min I'm taking 5 shoots."
Shoutout to Kenyan Martin and Al Harrington for not eating the “anti-Kwame Brown” hate that Gilbert Arenas tried to spin this discussion into!
Gil made 2 contradictions:
1. He agreed that going on teams with super stars can be a challenge, but often criticizes Kwame Brown WHO PLAYED ON A TEAM WITH JORDAN ring chasing those years
2. He understood and accepted the idea that an ol school coach like Larry Brown wouldn’t Have even played Melo if they drafted him, but dismisses Doug Collins limiting Brown
The more I think on it, if you look at Brown’s career and even Arenas should understand, they both played on notoriously bad teams throughout their career with the exception of maybe 2 seasons.
Gil can do so much more when he stops trying to get people to co sign his hate for Brown. That might work for Vlad TV but not for most NBA retired players
I love to hear the player’s perspective on these things as opposed to the network “analysts” that never even shot a damn free throw.
Kenyon was at his worst, a solid NBA starter and role player. He was never considered a bust.
Kenyon Martin's draft class was one of the weakest. I don't understand who is out there calling him a bust. Who else would you draft ahead of Kmart? Stromile Swift? Marcus Fizer? Chris Mihm?
That’s what I be saying man! You can’t look at analytics and judge a player! You gotta watch em play!!
No one considers K-Mart a bus, Gill came out up out the blue and made himself a GOAT
Whoever’s workin the audio needs a raise , this louder then most songs
Love Gil’s mindset of earning his minutes. “When I come in, score is 0-0”
when kmart was drafted scouts were focused on athletic ability. prime example is stromile swift and ty thomas. kmart probably would be second round in today's nba.
That “Bust” label is how coaches and GM’s abdicate responsibility for picking poorly and not developing players
Pretty much. The NBA is mostly about timing but the best organizations can get the most out of their players no matter what is going on in the league.
Lmao I can’t take mccants seriously talking like he was worth anything in the NBA 😂 dude played like 3 seasons and was a bench warmer the whole time talking about how when he come in the team starts fighting back 😂😂
Right had me dead ass confused cause huh ?? Must be talking bout his games for Mr. Ice Cubes .. 🤔
We keep trying to re-define bust when it's been clear what a bust is forever.
Now, people putting emotions into.
The self reflection in McCants makes me respect him even more
I was really disappointed that Greg Oden never even tried to come back after the injury. I know his injury was severe, but it’s like he didn’t even try. I was hyped on him because I watched every college game he played smh.
New drinking game every time you here “nome sayin” you gotta drink 😂
Kenyon isn't a bust. a bust is someone that doesn't try/put in the work. as Redick would say... 'I can always tell after the first day of training camp who will last and who isn't committed.'
Automatically if you are a starter in the NBA for 10 years you cannot be a bust
Kenyon no thinks you was a bust. Your game is respected.
He was so important to any team he played on, yet the nets wouldn’t offer him a contract. Makes no sense. Listening to these guys relish in their heyday cracks me up. They caught the biggest fish ever haha
Take the money and Run, run, run
Expectations are important in being a bust, what’s the expectation and what actually happened. Are you expected to lead a team? Etc.. that’s how I gauge if someone is a bust. But I also don’t think bust means your bad just didn’t reach expectations, like Simmons or Fultz in more recent times. IMO
In the early 2000's offense, how was a big supposed to generate his own offense with his 4 minutes? If he rebounds the ball on the defensive end and tries to take it up the court he'll get pulled from the game. If he lingers on the perimeter in order to get a swing pass then he either has to drive or shoot the 3 to create his own shot... again he'll get taken out of the game. If he works the block and doesn't get a pass from the guard, then his only shot is working the offensive glass... and playing for the offensive board is not what a scoring big seeks to do. In that era, only guards could be greedy with their minutes.
I really respected Gil’s perspective here about what makes a dude a bust and going hard no matter what amount of minutes you’re given and proving yourself.
I don’t think anyone would consider Kenyon Martin a bust
“You give me two minutes, I’m taking 5 shots”. 😂😂🔥🔥💯
Kenyon must’ve been on stunted growth but real ones know he was a baller
He actually has a video there that came out 2 years ago
Rashad: You’re built differently, I’m built diff…
Everybody’s brain: AHT AHT AHT
Gilbert right about Detroit because they wasn't breaking our starting 5 in 03 and it was good for those players we just didn't need the 2nd pick than year
I agree with Gil, when u get in u gotta show out. U right about Darco
I’ve never heard a single player say that Kenyon was a bust.
Kenyon might be the most forgotten #1 pick because he's not embarrassingly bad where people remember him as one of the worst but he's nowhere near the best where people remember him for being elite. He's right in the middle
Ppl remember his time in Denver fondly thats why. They had a roster with names ppl knew. Marcus Camby, Kenyon Martin, Carmelo, JR Smith, Billups was a great starting lineup. Then they had Ty Lawson coming off the bench at one point. The only reason that squad never made the Finals is cause they were in the West. Otherwise that squad was a great team that didnt make it
This is the best example and most recent for me. Anthony Bennett is a Bust. No catastrophic or chronic injuries, fairy out of shape, put up no numbers, and to make matters worse Giannis Antetokoumpo was in that draft...
I remember Stanley Johnson coming to the Lakers a couple of years ago on 10 day contracts. He was a breath of fresh air, as he played hard and played defense, two things the Lakers sorely lacked at that time. For that alone, I don't consider Stanley a bust.
Shaq said somtimes you got to tell the coach you got it to get your shine
Gil hit right on the head about the sportsmanlike conduct “unwritten rule”. Athletes are taught to play hard end to end, you can’t tell us to just stop playing because the game is outta hand. That’s exactly the narrative surrounding the tournament now. Forget all that, play hard or go home.
No one in their right mind has described Kenyon Martin as a bust, C'mon now that man was a PROBLEM
Mccants was definitely supposed to have a wayyyy better career than he did, I honestly don’t even remember him for averaging 15 i gotta look up his highlights lol
Context does matters. We should always bring that context to the conversation. I wish they were consistent with bringing that context.
I 150% agree with Gilbert Arenas. If one team down 20+ near the end of games and the second or third string sub in, let those brothers eat.
I never even heard the whole narrative of Kenyon being a bust. Watching this video is the first time I ever even heard anyone allude to that at all. I guess they just need some talking points this off-season week.
A lot of times we blame coaches and teams for someone’s “bustivity” but Kobe and maybe Gil too are prime examples of how you can work hard to excel despite all of that. A lot of times, folks just have a ceiling that they reach in their abilities/skills and mentality that just prevents them from getting to the next level.
It is not enough to just get to the NBA. The draft process can’t weed out every single player who cannot ascend to the NBA level. Some will sneak in but then hit a wall that their abilities just won’t allow them to climb.