Pepperon Pazzi They use it so much after the whole thing in season 2 where he was upbeat and kept saying it in such a corny fashion. It just gets sadder and sadder but I love it.
Rewatching the series after the finale there's so much stuff you see with different eyes. The first time you see this, it's a moment of hope for Bojack, when he was full of guilt for Sarah Lynn's death Diane was there for him, to making him realize he can be good, he can change. Now it's kinda depressing, it's a demonstration of how sometimes life can't change, everything will go against you and there's nothing you can do about it
I don't think I really took that fact in when I first watched the show. BoJack watched his old _Horsin' Around_ episodes a ton before season 4, but I never really picked up on it's absence after that point.
It’s probably why he tries to create a better version of the past with Ethan Around and when that doesn’t seem to work in the next season he decides to go further into the past to when he was a small child hanging out at the family summer home in Michigan, only to find that even that past as idyllic as it seems is also tainted by the ghosts of the past and the lingering pain of his own choices. And thus heads forward a hopefully better future which will be represented by Hollyhock
I think it's a good thing. He's always held on to his past but, at the end, he had to start to look forward because there was nothing in his past for him anymore
My father said that to me mulitple times but the most recent time I just got done watching this show and I stopped and said to him. "Oh my god Dad your Bojack Horseman." And he looked at me with a puzzled look and said "Who's Bajack Horseman?" Then I started laughing and then he started laughing as well.
I find it so interesting that Diane brings up the staircase thing. It's not that funny of an observation, the detail was too subtle to notice, and yet the writers of this show are clearly talented, making sure each line has a purpose. Then I thought about how Diane's observation was one on architecture...
I think it was also meant to show how fake and situational the show is. Bojack is trying to find solace in watching it, but the relationship on screen isn't real. It's fiction.
Yes, I have. My bestfriend’s place has two sets of stairs. One in the foyer and one in hallway leading to the kitchen. It is not uncommon in McMansions
He's already like lying by omission even relative to what we saw in the previous episode because Diane doesn't seem to realize he started the bender and supplied the drug that killed Sarah. Aside from the moment they caught them breaking into her house, but she didn't see what happened after that.
Y'know, BoJack talked about being nothing but poison and destroying everything he touches, but then he turns around and tells Diane that she's too good to be writing Instagram captions. I think Diane's the one person who he not only hasn't ruined, but she's the only character so far who's actually benefitted from knowing BoJack. Remember Season 1 where he writes her that letter from her prom date and how happy that made her? That's gotta count for something. No matter what he says about himself, he made her less miserable. So there's his redeeming quality, folks.
Or this could make things worse for Bojack if he realizes this. What if he realizes that Diane is his only way to happiness/self-fulfillment? It could go to him making moves on her again. I have a theory that Mr. Peanutbutter is going to die at some point in the series, and if that happens, Bojack could seriously ruin his relationship with Diane by coming on to her at this time, seeing her as his only hope for happiness. He's done similar things with Wanda, Princess Carolyn, and Sarah Lynn, believing he was in love with them.
Jakob Thomas, you've got a point there. Although it might not. I think BoJack is aware that he and Diane are better off as friends. I'm hoping he's learned something after trying to sleep with Charlotte then Penny. Something along the lines of "Okay, Diane's the last person I have left. Whatever it is, is it worth losing her?" But then again, he'll probably make moves on her and she'll cheat on Mr. Peanutbutter, who'll finally break. That seems likely. But that would depend on the two of them, not just BoJack.
If you think about it, they already have stuff set in place that could lead to that. Mr. Peanutbutter is running for governor, and Diane is working on that web page where she might have to out her husband. What Diane outs Mr. Peanutbutter and ruins his campaign for governor? Diane has done similar things in the past, pushing her own agenda , even if it means hurting her husband. It could be the straw the breaks the camel's back. There's no telling the extent this could damage their marriage. And when Diane has trouble with Mr. Peanutbutter and wants to avoid him, who does she always turn to? Bojack. And what if Bojack sees this as an opportunity? What if he hasn't learned and tries something? And depending how damaged Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's marriage is at this point, she might even go through with it.
god every time he says “I did this to her” the double meaning hits me like a truck. because… yeah, he did. It was NOT bound to happen. He did that to her to save himself.
"And I have nobody in my life who's better off for having known me" I've never related to a cartoon more than I have to this one. Just so fucking real and deep. This is the most ADULT adult cartoon I've ever seen.
After season six, this scene hits even harder. Here, Diane tells Bojack millions of people are better off for what he did in Horsin' Around, only for his legacy on that show to be destroyed because of his mistakes. At the end, all what Bojack could have as a conforting thought was Horsin Around as a way to help people out of their problems for half an hour... and now he doesn't even have that.
tfw your feelings to this scene change because you realise that he waited 17min and sarah lynn could've lived if he called an ambulance instead of wasting those 17minutes :/
@@AP-ex6qz he wanted to fool the cops into believing Sera called him to com and get her so they wouldn’t know he was there with her. So he calls his own phone and waited for 17 minutes so it would look like he drove there.
@@squashmallow2006 kind of. But if someone is never taught to swim then how can they be blamed for drowning? Bojack never stood a chance because he went from being abused by his horrible parents, to being used and enabled by horrible Hollywood. It doesnt excuse his horrible choices, but it does make us feel for him. All he ever wanted was love and peace. By the end thats all we can hope for.
@@Unclecrispyguy duuuudddeee the things that this guy did were sometimes high key fucked up. You can't blame everything on trauma/parents/upbringing/experiences. Sometimes we are just shitty people. It's okay to admit that. It's okay to admit that Bojack was shitty without any buts for excuses
@@SRR-rh7id I never said they weren't. It's not about excusing Bojack. He cannot be excused. To me bojacks story is about being trapped in a cycle, and all the tragedy that can result from not breaking that toxic cycle. Bojack serves as a tragic worst case scenario, but it also allows the space for even someone like Bojack to make peace with themselves and become better.
@@Unclecrispyguy okay. Sorry that I misinterpreted. It is a very important aspect of the show that I absolutely love. How different people deal with their trauma, and the different consequences of it.
We used to have some imaginary entity that gave all of us purpose, the one we called god... Now that we know he may not exist, many of us that feel like we don't have anything to show for the lives we live.
“It doesn’t get better and it doesn’t get easier” it’s amazing to notice that line when you remember about the running guy in the ending of the season 2.
The worst (and best part about this show) is that i relate way to much to Bojack. Whenever Bojack gets a tough reality check, its like Im getting it to. This show really is unique.
That “You are the shitty things you do” rant from Todd really hit me. Uncomfortably close to home, that bit. After I first saw that scene, I just shut the tv off and thought for a while.
I don't get the surprise. It's not rare in old houses. The living room stair was used by the habitants and the kitchen stair was used by the help. My grandparents' house has two sets of stairs too. It's a stupid concept and a ridiculous waste of space, but it exists in real life.
The thing that I love about this is that even though the show makes fun of shows like Full House, this scene understands why someone would watch it. Even if they're cheesy and aren't that insightful, they make for a good escape for someone going through a terrible home life. And sure, I can criticize and make fun of Full House-type shows all I want, but one thing I don't want to do is go after the people who love them, because at the end of the day, I'm never going to know what a show means to someone, whether it's good or bad.
I know people absolutely hate Diane (and ofc everyone have a right to hate any character) but this scene here is the exact reason why I can’t even dislike her. They had fights and friction this season but she never truly casts Bojack out of her life. Her honesty with Bojack’s impact with other people is this episode’s saving grace. She doesn’t erase his guilt, but her words does encourage Bojack to try be a better person.
I really love BoJack and Diane’s friendship. They get each other in ways no one else does. Even if it’s not romantic, I just absolutely love seeing them together and having these moments.
I love this scene so much, it reflects back to the scene on S2E1 with making Secretariat. Bojack just lost the race to the oscars, the closest thing he had to a family member recently died, and he realizes something in him is broken and can't change. Then his first line is "what are you doing here?".
I see good in Bojack, and I hope that one day he in least get rid of his guilt. He has to understand that there is no way to make an amend with the past. Some people think that he hasn't changed in all since the beggining of the series, but I see the small changes on him, he is changing slowly, and one day, maybe he will finally be better, his past will not be fixed, but he will be better.
I actually saw Sacrhiffilas Productions do a review of season three of this show, and when he got to this point when covering said episode, he said, and I qoute: Counterpoint... yes it was. As long as Sarah Lynn kept hanging around Bojack, this would have been her fate. Looking back, I understand what he meant. Bojack has had a long history of hurting people, whether unintentionally or through his own will. He got Herb fired from Horsing Around and never kept contact, resulting in them losing their friendship. He betrayed Charolette, by almost sleeping with her daughter. He slept with Todd's childhood friend to relieve his stress and pressure from the Oscar campaign, he broke into Diane's and Mr. Peanutbutter's house, he undermines Princess Carolyn multiple times as both one of his girlfriends and agents. Sarah Lynn was doomed to suffer from his actions because of how close they were from Horsing Around. It didn't matter how long they were together, anyone who has a relationship with Bojack suffers in some way. And it's because Bojack cares more about his owns feelings and wants above his so called friends. This is evidence by the fact that he went to Sarah Lynn when she was at her lowest and needed a friend because she felt she was just another celeb who had no one that truly cared for her. When she saw Bojack, she thought he wanted to have a chat with her, only to find out he wanted her on his talk show. Similar to how he ruined his relationship with Herb by choosing his fame over his friends. He also was with Sarah Lynn for years and saw her as a daughter, but that didn't stop him from being inappropriate with her, like what he did to Charolette's daughter. During season three, Sarah Lynn wasn't present that much in those episodes until the 11th one, where we see that she is trying to make the most of her life. It's not perfect, as the paparazzi's still harassing her, and she is struggling with dealing with her addiction problems. But we see that she is nine months sober, giving us and her hope that she is getting better. The problem comes when Bojack calls to go on a bender. This explains why she wasn't present to begin with. It's almost as if the writers were really pointing out the fact that Bojack not being in her life was actually helping her. And we see that in those nine months without him, she was getting better. But he throws her on the drug wagon again just so he can lament about his feelings, and ignore Sarah Lynn's. She kept talking about 'how child actors should not be a thing' or 'how she wanted to go to school again'. But he doesn't listen, he uses Sarah Lynn as a vessel so he can project his problems onto someone else, to get out his sadness. Bojack not hearing Sarah Lynn's problems and not seeing how much she was in pain, is what caused her to die. He ignored her own problems, when she was clearly as broken as he was. He puts himself first! That's the poison Bojack is talking about. Not only that, Bojack was the reason that Sarah Lynn got this complex that she needed to be famous and please everyone to get people to like her. A cycle of abuse Bojack had, which he repeated into her. But it took a bigger toll on her. Had Sarah Lynn managed to see how toxic Bojack was and how it was hurting her, had she managed to cut him out of her life just as Hollyhock did, maybe she could have become a better person and managed to achieve her own dreams. But... sadly, Bojack was all she had left. She saw him as a father figure because she never truly had one, and even though he wasn't perfect, she was willing to see through his flaws because he was broken just as her. The thing I can take away from this: Broken people don't fix other broken people, they may end up shattering them even more to the point they don't recognize themselves.
Same here. When Sarah Lynn was talking to Bojack during the show when she was little, I just see Mabel having the same conversation with Grunkle Stan, while Dipper is Ethan.
Everyone talks about how Bojack helps Diane in the end, even if he was a bad guy. And that’s not untrue. But it’s also easy to forget how they even came into each other’s lives in the first place. She, just like us, has an incredibly intimate, front row perspective on Bojack’s motivations and traumas. Its ESPECIALLY hard to know and love someone for exactly who they are, to see every possibility for who they could become, and still force yourself accept that they’ll never change.
You know, I came here on this video now and then, and I always thought: "Poor Bojack". But after the revelation that he waited 15 minutes or so to call an ambulance for Sara Lynn, all I can think off is that he deserves this pain for the rest of his life.
I mean, I would've forgiven him ACCIDENTALLY causing her death by forgetting to call out of panic, but as far as I know it seems like he waited with calling an ambulance pretty deliberately, which is absolutely unforgivable
when he was shooting the secretariat scene he wanted to stall or ruin it so he says in a very happy voice in a sad scene WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE! when he was supposed to say it the way it is in this scene, so people are taking that what are you doing here happy thing and putting it in this scene.
i love this show deeply and am extremely glad it was made but it has also managed to make me depressed. bojack’s entire character-especially after season 6-makes me sad. literally just thinking about him, everything he did, and where it all left off has made me extremely sad. for the audience, it’s such a conflicting battle due to the fact that we can’t help but sympathize with bojack because we know that he has very good intentions and understand the fact that he truly has nobody (anymore). he has nothing except himself. but at the same time, when you look at all the things bojack has done, you can’t help but feel sadness, irritation and even anger towards him because we know that he basically did this to himself. he is the reason he ended up alone. he is the reason he has nobody in the end. he is the reason all of his relationships were destroyed, even after he changed for the better. i want him to be happy and cared for so badly, and the last fucking thing i want is for him to truly spend his days alone. i constantly think about “what could’ve been” for bojack in terms of maintaining happy relationships with sarah lynn, hollyhock, pc, etc- he never HAD to be alone. he could’ve had family and friends who stuck with him till the end and just thinking about it makes me feel sad for him. but at the same time, i know he deserves it due to his own decisions. it just sucks because we want him to be happy and healthy but we also can’t help but root against him due to all the shit he’s done
While this is a well written monologue on BoJack’s part, I think the writers subtly used the “I’m poison” bit as a way to illustrate BoJack’s subtle narcissism. Think about it: in light of Sarah Lynn’s death, he’s making it all about him. It looks like he used his self-loathing to steer Diane into sharing that personal story of how much BoJack’s work meant to her, because he knew she would tell him what he wanted to hear all along. On repeated viewing of this scene, that undercurrent would always rub me the wrong way when it came to BoJack’s character.
This isn't the first character I've seen it pointed out with, but focusing on self-loathing is still being self-abdorbed. Highlighted further in 'stupid piece of sh##', he was too busy feeling bad about himself to actually notice there being anything wrong with Hollyhock
At first I thought watching season three while tripping on acid was a huge mistake. It sent me into a depression like no other. But now, I'm glad I did it. I truly know what is important and I'm not making the foolish, BoJack like decisions I've made in the past. This show has literally changed my life for the better.
Honestly, right after learning what happened in season 6, what he is feeling right now is completely understandable. He knows he’s a piece a shit, but he doesn’t let himself change yet because he viewed himself that way.
Oh shit., Diane does the exact same god damn arm rub that Bojack does, ....They must have found ways of I can't think of any other reason she'd do the exact same thing as him under the exact same circumstances, in that this is all a part of her "damage".
The "it doesn't get better and it doesn't get easier" line really lives in my head rent free when my mental health gets bad... Such a great subversion of the monkey's message in season two
You are not poison, you might come from it but you are not poison. It does get better and it will take time but it gets easier, you just have to do it every day
Diane pretty much sums up the reason I love Full House so much. I know it's a cheesy dumb show but that show provided a safe place for me when I needed it.
"I did this to her," ubderstatement of the century man you handed her the fucking gun for decades when at any other point you could have been a friend.
yeah but like diane said, she needed him in her life at that time. maybe shes better off without him, but she needed him to become the person she did. maybe theyre bettr off without him currently, but they needed him at one point
Okay I know this scene is sad and honestly, just watching it has made me re-evaluate my life (which is similar to the effect every other episode of Bojack Horseman has on me), but I feel like I'm the only person who ship these two... please don't chew me out, it's heart wrenching to see these two have these sad conversations. I'm not saying that them being together would be a healthy relationship, but they seem to connect to eachother on a really deep level
I feel the same often. It really doesn't get any better or it doesn't get any easier. I've burned many bridges, there's no one that's been better off knowin' me.
"You can't not be a part of my life." I mean that's sounds well intentioned but it's subtly toxic. You can't constantly *depend* on friends and demand or force them to stay in your life. If people are uncomfortable with you or need space you either need to work out it or just accept it.
" I can't keep lying to myself that I'm going to change, I'm poison, I come from poison, I have poison inside me and destroy everything I touch, I have nothing to show for the life I've lived, and there is no one who is better off for having known me" "that's not true!" *well, only the very last two parts. If you count material wealth. Otherwise BJ's srtraight spittin facts up in here*
It's weird taking the fact that Diane watched Horsin' Around in, especially when you think back to the time that BoJack tried kissing her. It's ironic really. Like just... Wow, it adds to a layer of messed up, a little like what happened with BoJack and Sarah Lynn, but I'm glad they didn't take it to that extent.
He basically raised Diane too. He raised a lot of women when you really think about it. How many women during that period saw Bojack as some sort of father figure and how many of those same women slept him. Definitely food for Frued.
It was intentional by the writers. By pointing this out, she's drawing attention to the fact that the television show--the story, the characters, the relationships--none of it is real. It's a fantasy.
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You got it UA-cam!
Odd thing is, this manages to be one of the most hilarious shows on tv at the same time.
"What are you doing here?" They really found a way to just make those 5 words hurt after awhile huh?
I think that line impacted me a little more than the "poison" dialogue.
Pepperon Pazzi
They use it so much after the whole thing in season 2 where he was upbeat and kept saying it in such a corny fashion. It just gets sadder and sadder but I love it.
That's too much man!
The fact that I was counting if it really has 5 words.
What are YOU doing here?! :D
"You can't not be a part of my life."
The End of Season Six: "I'm about to end this man's whole career."
Noooo 😭😭
“Wouldn’t it be funny if this was the last time we’ll see each other?”
Rewatching the series after the finale there's so much stuff you see with different eyes. The first time you see this, it's a moment of hope for Bojack, when he was full of guilt for Sarah Lynn's death Diane was there for him, to making him realize he can be good, he can change. Now it's kinda depressing, it's a demonstration of how sometimes life can't change, everything will go against you and there's nothing you can do about it
Alessandro Mazza honestly every time bojack had a chance to make the right choice and be a good person he disappointed us every time.
I laughed at your comment then proceeded to cry
Now he cant even look back on the glory days.
I don't think I really took that fact in when I first watched the show. BoJack watched his old _Horsin' Around_ episodes a ton before season 4, but I never really picked up on it's absence after that point.
Maybe it's actually for the best.
@@grass7864 It definitely is better for him
It’s probably why he tries to create a better version of the past with Ethan Around and when that doesn’t seem to work in the next season he decides to go further into the past to when he was a small child hanging out at the family summer home in Michigan, only to find that even that past as idyllic as it seems is also tainted by the ghosts of the past and the lingering pain of his own choices. And thus heads forward a hopefully better future which will be represented by Hollyhock
I think it's a good thing. He's always held on to his past but, at the end, he had to start to look forward because there was nothing in his past for him anymore
"I have nobody in my life who's better off for having known me"
help
Fuck...
My father said that to me mulitple times but the most recent time I just got done watching this show and I stopped and said to him. "Oh my god Dad your Bojack Horseman." And he looked at me with a puzzled look and said "Who's Bajack Horseman?" Then I started laughing and then he started laughing as well.
@@jamesmacasieb576 u ok?
+1
@@jamesmacasieb576 does he act like bojack horsemen?
I find it so interesting that Diane brings up the staircase thing. It's not that funny of an observation, the detail was too subtle to notice, and yet the writers of this show are clearly talented, making sure each line has a purpose. Then I thought about how Diane's observation was one on architecture...
Oh my God. Architecture. I never realised... Great observation Little1Cave.
Yet when you re-watch the scene you start noticing the other staircase.
I think it was also meant to show how fake and situational the show is. Bojack is trying to find solace in watching it, but the relationship on screen isn't real. It's fiction.
Yes, I have. My bestfriend’s place has two sets of stairs. One in the foyer and one in hallway leading to the kitchen. It is not uncommon in McMansions
Can someone tell me what is related between Diane and architecture?
This scene hits different when you find out Bojack could have saved Sarah Lynn this whole time and everything he tells Diane here are just half-truths
He's already like lying by omission even relative to what we saw in the previous episode because Diane doesn't seem to realize he started the bender and supplied the drug that killed Sarah. Aside from the moment they caught them breaking into her house, but she didn't see what happened after that.
@@gamerguy425Sara
@@gamerguy425This drug was called Bojack
Y'know, BoJack talked about being nothing but poison and destroying everything he touches, but then he turns around and tells Diane that she's too good to be writing Instagram captions. I think Diane's the one person who he not only hasn't ruined, but she's the only character so far who's actually benefitted from knowing BoJack. Remember Season 1 where he writes her that letter from her prom date and how happy that made her? That's gotta count for something. No matter what he says about himself, he made her less miserable. So there's his redeeming quality, folks.
Agreed. I think if anything, if Bojack can change, it is going to be through knowing Diane.
Or this could make things worse for Bojack if he realizes this. What if he realizes that Diane is his only way to happiness/self-fulfillment? It could go to him making moves on her again. I have a theory that Mr. Peanutbutter is going to die at some point in the series, and if that happens, Bojack could seriously ruin his relationship with Diane by coming on to her at this time, seeing her as his only hope for happiness. He's done similar things with Wanda, Princess Carolyn, and Sarah Lynn, believing he was in love with them.
Jakob Thomas, you've got a point there. Although it might not. I think BoJack is aware that he and Diane are better off as friends. I'm hoping he's learned something after trying to sleep with Charlotte then Penny. Something along the lines of "Okay, Diane's the last person I have left. Whatever it is, is it worth losing her?"
But then again, he'll probably make moves on her and she'll cheat on Mr. Peanutbutter, who'll finally break. That seems likely. But that would depend on the two of them, not just BoJack.
If you think about it, they already have stuff set in place that could lead to that.
Mr. Peanutbutter is running for governor, and Diane is working on that web page where she might have to out her husband. What Diane outs Mr. Peanutbutter and ruins his campaign for governor? Diane has done similar things in the past, pushing her own agenda , even if it means hurting her husband. It could be the straw the breaks the camel's back. There's no telling the extent this could damage their marriage. And when Diane has trouble with Mr. Peanutbutter and wants to avoid him, who does she always turn to? Bojack. And what if Bojack sees this as an opportunity? What if he hasn't learned and tries something? And depending how damaged Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's marriage is at this point, she might even go through with it.
Maybe.
I love how they put a giant blue tarp right behind BoJack when he's feeling blue.
Holy crap, you're right! Damn, this show's meta is just... too much, man.
That's from when he drove his car into the pool after partying.
“The darkness is a metaphor for darkness!”
The writers did a great job for the symbolism
does no one notice.... behind the blue tarp?! it says HollyWoo.
god every time he says “I did this to her” the double meaning hits me like a truck. because… yeah, he did. It was NOT bound to happen. He did that to her to save himself.
He straight out confessed and Diane did not pick it up.
"And I have nobody in my life who's better off for having known me" I've never related to a cartoon more than I have to this one. Just so fucking real and deep. This is the most ADULT adult cartoon I've ever seen.
protectyaneck__ Probably the most realistic cartoon yet
What about MTV's Aeon Flux, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Spawn TAS, Duckman, Ninja Scroll, Princess Mononoke etc.?
After season six, this scene hits even harder. Here, Diane tells Bojack millions of people are better off for what he did in Horsin' Around, only for his legacy on that show to be destroyed because of his mistakes. At the end, all what Bojack could have as a conforting thought was Horsin Around as a way to help people out of their problems for half an hour... and now he doesn't even have that.
tfw your feelings to this scene change because you realise that he waited 17min and sarah lynn could've lived if he called an ambulance instead of wasting those 17minutes :/
Especially the moment at 0:29 when he tells her in the show thst he'll always be there for her, hurts a lot for me..
Why the fuck didn't call the ambulance earlier. What even was the reason damnit
@@AP-ex6qz he wanted to fool the cops into believing Sera called him to com and get her so they wouldn’t know he was there with her. So he calls his own phone and waited for 17 minutes so it would look like he drove there.
@@yuvalbiger6702 oh man. That's so messed up BoJack. :(
@@AP-ex6qz it was so he could cover it up sadly
BoJack is so self-destructive... but you can’t help but feel bad for him I mean just look at him here, the poor guy needs a break from trauma.
He's only gonna get a break if he gives himself a break. Every horrible thing that happened to him after he left his parents' home were 100% on him.
@@squashmallow2006 kind of. But if someone is never taught to swim then how can they be blamed for drowning? Bojack never stood a chance because he went from being abused by his horrible parents, to being used and enabled by horrible Hollywood. It doesnt excuse his horrible choices, but it does make us feel for him. All he ever wanted was love and peace. By the end thats all we can hope for.
@@Unclecrispyguy duuuudddeee the things that this guy did were sometimes high key fucked up. You can't blame everything on trauma/parents/upbringing/experiences. Sometimes we are just shitty people. It's okay to admit that. It's okay to admit that Bojack was shitty without any buts for excuses
@@SRR-rh7id I never said they weren't. It's not about excusing Bojack. He cannot be excused. To me bojacks story is about being trapped in a cycle, and all the tragedy that can result from not breaking that toxic cycle. Bojack serves as a tragic worst case scenario, but it also allows the space for even someone like Bojack to make peace with themselves and become better.
@@Unclecrispyguy okay. Sorry that I misinterpreted. It is a very important aspect of the show that I absolutely love. How different people deal with their trauma, and the different consequences of it.
"I have nothing to show for the life that I've lived"...................too......fucking.......real.
Thats too much man!
*cheesy laughter*
@Italianmobster ...I both hate and love you for that comment.
Isaac Rader yh GB cos JD MSC
We used to have some imaginary entity that gave all of us purpose, the one we called god... Now that we know he may not exist, many of us that feel like we don't have anything to show for the lives we live.
So deep, even for BoJack's standards,
That's too much man!
Italianmobster Indeed, it has been a wild ride for BoJack.
That's not enough boy!
"you cannot be apart of my life" - BoJack then proceeds not to be apart of her life for most of season 4
Wait till you see the ending.
"i did this to her" yeah you kinda did
“It doesn’t get better and it doesn’t get easier” it’s amazing to notice that line when you remember about the running guy in the ending of the season 2.
The worst (and best part about this show) is that i relate way to much to Bojack. Whenever Bojack gets a tough reality check, its like Im getting it to. This show really is unique.
I've been feeling that too
That “You are the shitty things you do” rant from Todd really hit me. Uncomfortably close to home, that bit.
After I first saw that scene, I just shut the tv off and thought for a while.
it's scary how relatable he is. :(
@@LowkeylieIt’s you are all the things what’s wrong with you
This is one of the most powerful shows of all time
MrHomestarJughead I agree 100%
Fuck this show for hurting my heart. I love it. But I hate it. But I love it.
That's too much mn!
Stop fetishizing your sadness Bojack!
Have you seen Grave of the Fireflies or Wolf Children? those are other animations that hit you emotionally
What are YOU doing here!!
Perfect profile pic.
“You can’t not be a part of my life”
Well that aged poorly
The Full House house had two staircases. So did Boy Meets World. What is up with these 90s sitcom houses?
the real reason is it makes it easier for characters to enter a scene from multiples places
Andrew Richardson and the Cosby Show
And the George Lopez sitcom
I don't get the surprise. It's not rare in old houses. The living room stair was used by the habitants and the kitchen stair was used by the help. My grandparents' house has two sets of stairs too. It's a stupid concept and a ridiculous waste of space, but it exists in real life.
Don’t forget about shameless
1:11
This 20-second speech is just _agonizing_ after watching Season 6.
"What are you doing here?" He seems to always get that line perfectly when he's most broken.
The thing that I love about this is that even though the show makes fun of shows like Full House, this scene understands why someone would watch it. Even if they're cheesy and aren't that insightful, they make for a good escape for someone going through a terrible home life. And sure, I can criticize and make fun of Full House-type shows all I want, but one thing I don't want to do is go after the people who love them, because at the end of the day, I'm never going to know what a show means to someone, whether it's good or bad.
The world needs more people like you
That last line cuts pretty deep after having watched the series finale
"You cant not be a part of my life"
That shit made me cry for real
In hindsight 17 minutes can make one hell if a difference.
I know people absolutely hate Diane (and ofc everyone have a right to hate any character) but this scene here is the exact reason why I can’t even dislike her. They had fights and friction this season but she never truly casts Bojack out of her life. Her honesty with Bojack’s impact with other people is this episode’s saving grace. She doesn’t erase his guilt, but her words does encourage Bojack to try be a better person.
I think people come around to liking Diane by the end of the show tbf, but yea in the middle she got a lot of hate, mostly unfairly lol
I really love BoJack and Diane’s friendship. They get each other in ways no one else does. Even if it’s not romantic, I just absolutely love seeing them together and having these moments.
I love this scene so much, it reflects back to the scene on S2E1 with making Secretariat. Bojack just lost the race to the oscars, the closest thing he had to a family member recently died, and he realizes something in him is broken and can't change. Then his first line is "what are you doing here?".
Fun fact, you can find this video searching: Asian Daria
I found it searching "diane diacount daria" because there was a joke about it in the show.
Okay but I LITERALLY searched that
I see good in Bojack, and I hope that one day he in least get rid of his guilt. He has to understand that there is no way to make an amend with the past.
Some people think that he hasn't changed in all since the beggining of the series, but I see the small changes on him, he is changing slowly, and one day, maybe he will finally be better, his past will not be fixed, but he will be better.
Jose Dorda Then season 5 happened, he has a long way to go.
LOL, I randomly found this old comment of mine and I didn't even remenber about it.
This scene hit different after the season 6 finale
“And you can’t not be a part of my life.” WELL...
I actually saw Sacrhiffilas Productions do a review of season three of this show, and when he got to this point when covering said episode, he said, and I qoute: Counterpoint... yes it was. As long as Sarah Lynn kept hanging around Bojack, this would have been her fate.
Looking back, I understand what he meant. Bojack has had a long history of hurting people, whether unintentionally or through his own will. He got Herb fired from Horsing Around and never kept contact, resulting in them losing their friendship. He betrayed Charolette, by almost sleeping with her daughter. He slept with Todd's childhood friend to relieve his stress and pressure from the Oscar campaign, he broke into Diane's and Mr. Peanutbutter's house, he undermines Princess Carolyn multiple times as both one of his girlfriends and agents. Sarah Lynn was doomed to suffer from his actions because of how close they were from Horsing Around. It didn't matter how long they were together, anyone who has a relationship with Bojack suffers in some way. And it's because Bojack cares more about his owns feelings and wants above his so called friends. This is evidence by the fact that he went to Sarah Lynn when she was at her lowest and needed a friend because she felt she was just another celeb who had no one that truly cared for her. When she saw Bojack, she thought he wanted to have a chat with her, only to find out he wanted her on his talk show. Similar to how he ruined his relationship with Herb by choosing his fame over his friends. He also was with Sarah Lynn for years and saw her as a daughter, but that didn't stop him from being inappropriate with her, like what he did to Charolette's daughter.
During season three, Sarah Lynn wasn't present that much in those episodes until the 11th one, where we see that she is trying to make the most of her life. It's not perfect, as the paparazzi's still harassing her, and she is struggling with dealing with her addiction problems. But we see that she is nine months sober, giving us and her hope that she is getting better. The problem comes when Bojack calls to go on a bender. This explains why she wasn't present to begin with. It's almost as if the writers were really pointing out the fact that Bojack not being in her life was actually helping her. And we see that in those nine months without him, she was getting better. But he throws her on the drug wagon again just so he can lament about his feelings, and ignore Sarah Lynn's. She kept talking about 'how child actors should not be a thing' or 'how she wanted to go to school again'. But he doesn't listen, he uses Sarah Lynn as a vessel so he can project his problems onto someone else, to get out his sadness. Bojack not hearing Sarah Lynn's problems and not seeing how much she was in pain, is what caused her to die. He ignored her own problems, when she was clearly as broken as he was. He puts himself first! That's the poison Bojack is talking about.
Not only that, Bojack was the reason that Sarah Lynn got this complex that she needed to be famous and please everyone to get people to like her. A cycle of abuse Bojack had, which he repeated into her. But it took a bigger toll on her. Had Sarah Lynn managed to see how toxic Bojack was and how it was hurting her, had she managed to cut him out of her life just as Hollyhock did, maybe she could have become a better person and managed to achieve her own dreams. But... sadly, Bojack was all she had left. She saw him as a father figure because she never truly had one, and even though he wasn't perfect, she was willing to see through his flaws because he was broken just as her.
The thing I can take away from this: Broken people don't fix other broken people, they may end up shattering them even more to the point they don't recognize themselves.
I cant stop hearing Mabel's voice in Sabrina
Same here. When Sarah Lynn was talking to Bojack during the show when she was little, I just see Mabel having the same conversation with Grunkle Stan, while Dipper is Ethan.
If you close your eyes during that one scene in downer ending, it just sounds like Mabel and Jesse Pinkman trying to kill Lego Batman
The moment he elbow kick Diane's fresh plaster is subtle but really telling about their relationship dynamics. Makes me mad every time.
so true omg. This show
How did I never realize that till now like I don't hate bojack but what a ass
So weird, knowing that he killed Sarah Lynn and this takes place immediately after, and his first impulse is to throw himself a pity party
It’s interesting comparing this scene to season 6.
Bojack's words here become heavier after you watch season 6 (part 1).
Everyone talks about how Bojack helps Diane in the end, even if he was a bad guy. And that’s not untrue. But it’s also easy to forget how they even came into each other’s lives in the first place. She, just like us, has an incredibly intimate, front row perspective on Bojack’s motivations and traumas.
Its ESPECIALLY hard to know and love someone for exactly who they are, to see every possibility for who they could become, and still force yourself accept that they’ll never change.
i don’t know to be Diane, it doesn’t get better and it doesn’t get easier.
this scene hit me so hard.
Does Bojack ever lock his door?
He doesn’t care about his life that’s why
I think it's how he's secretly lonely and wants people to visit him anytime.
Do you not see the hole in the wall behind them?
You know, I came here on this video now and then, and I always thought: "Poor Bojack". But after the revelation that he waited 15 minutes or so to call an ambulance for Sara Lynn, all I can think off is that he deserves this pain for the rest of his life.
He waited 17 minutes after taking Sarah Lynn’s phone and calling himself for 2 minutes.
I mean, I would've forgiven him ACCIDENTALLY causing her death by forgetting to call out of panic, but as far as I know it seems like he waited with calling an ambulance pretty deliberately, which is absolutely unforgivable
0:51 What are YOU doing here?!
IsiahGames *cheesy laughter*
when he was shooting the secretariat scene he wanted to stall or ruin it so he says in a very happy voice in a sad scene WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE! when he was supposed to say it the way it is in this scene, so people are taking that what are you doing here happy thing and putting it in this scene.
taltigolt Actually he only said it that way because he was happy and couldn't pretend to be sad. Bojack really isn't a very good actor.
@@ethanbrock5453 nah hes pretty good as shown in philbert. He qas just too used to sit-coms
i love this show deeply and am extremely glad it was made but it has also managed to make me depressed. bojack’s entire character-especially after season 6-makes me sad. literally just thinking about him, everything he did, and where it all left off has made me extremely sad. for the audience, it’s such a conflicting battle due to the fact that we can’t help but sympathize with bojack because we know that he has very good intentions and understand the fact that he truly has nobody (anymore). he has nothing except himself. but at the same time, when you look at all the things bojack has done, you can’t help but feel sadness, irritation and even anger towards him because we know that he basically did this to himself. he is the reason he ended up alone. he is the reason he has nobody in the end. he is the reason all of his relationships were destroyed, even after he changed for the better. i want him to be happy and cared for so badly, and the last fucking thing i want is for him to truly spend his days alone. i constantly think about “what could’ve been” for bojack in terms of maintaining happy relationships with sarah lynn, hollyhock, pc, etc- he never HAD to be alone. he could’ve had family and friends who stuck with him till the end and just thinking about it makes me feel sad for him. but at the same time, i know he deserves it due to his own decisions. it just sucks because we want him to be happy and healthy but we also can’t help but root against him due to all the shit he’s done
My house has two stairs, one in the living room and one in the kitchen.
This is where horsing around was filmed hahahaha
While this is a well written monologue on BoJack’s part, I think the writers subtly used the “I’m poison” bit as a way to illustrate BoJack’s subtle narcissism.
Think about it: in light of Sarah Lynn’s death, he’s making it all about him. It looks like he used his self-loathing to steer Diane into sharing that personal story of how much BoJack’s work meant to her, because he knew she would tell him what he wanted to hear all along.
On repeated viewing of this scene, that undercurrent would always rub me the wrong way when it came to BoJack’s character.
This isn't the first character I've seen it pointed out with, but focusing on self-loathing is still being self-abdorbed.
Highlighted further in 'stupid piece of sh##', he was too busy feeling bad about himself to actually notice there being anything wrong with Hollyhock
"That's too much, man" I always do too much and like I know how bojack feels
SPOILERS
....Later on, she brutally rips on Bojack for letting Sarah Lynn die.
To be fair, it's because he says stupid shit that isn't remotely true just so he can bask in his disgusting self pity and have an excuse not to change
At first I thought watching season three while tripping on acid was a huge mistake. It sent me into a depression like no other. But now, I'm glad I did it. I truly know what is important and I'm not making the foolish, BoJack like decisions I've made in the past. This show has literally changed my life for the better.
>Have you ever been in a house like that?
I have. Old New England houses with a narrow back staircase leading to the kitchen for servants
Honestly, right after learning what happened in season 6, what he is feeling right now is completely understandable. He knows he’s a piece a shit, but he doesn’t let himself change yet because he viewed himself that way.
“we’re a family and I will always be there for you”
*hits differently when you learn he left her alone to die from an overdose*
Oh shit., Diane does the exact same god damn arm rub that Bojack does, ....They must have found ways of I can't think of any other reason she'd do the exact same thing as him under the exact same circumstances, in that this is all a part of her "damage".
Im just happy that this season ended with him and diane on good terms
Oh man, this comment didn't age well.
@@straponpigeon8566 they still sort of ended on decent terms
'You can't not be a part of my life' that sounds vaguely threatening. It's her choice who's in her life, ideally
The "it doesn't get better and it doesn't get easier" line really lives in my head rent free when my mental health gets bad... Such a great subversion of the monkey's message in season two
Maybe the extra staircase in the kitchen was so they can quickly escape upstairs in the event of a spaghetti explosion emergency.
You are not poison, you might come from it but you are not poison. It does get better and it will take time but it gets easier, you just have to do it every day
Diane pretty much sums up the reason I love Full House so much. I know it's a cheesy dumb show but that show provided a safe place for me when I needed it.
"That's... too much, man"
I return to this way too often. It hits so hard--as do most things about this show.
I'm still so sad about Sarah Lynn 😓
"I did this to her," ubderstatement of the century man you handed her the fucking gun for decades when at any other point you could have been a friend.
"You didn't answer your phone. I was worried about you."
oof
Man...rip sarah lynn. That shit is one of the saddest deaths in tv show history
"What are you doing here."
The "isn't it tho" hits different
Looking back on this hURTSSSS
1:13
"Every day it gets a little easier, but you have to do it everyday; that's the hard part."
Two sets of stairs, one for the house owners and one for the help who would live there.
Season 4's F-bomb.
Don't be Diane, don't be Diane, don't be Diane, _please_ don't be Diane!
Rumble Delta I bet it's because she finds out about him and Penny
Ysgatora Oh god please no
That's too much man
Bojack *has* to get #MeTooed at some point next year.
@@ysgatora9287 that ends up happening mid-season 5
“I destroy everything I touch.”
Nice reference to EA.
I used an old journalists trick called ME LYING.
traxfish and I used an old bojack trick called that hurts my feelings
Kinda hits hard after watching the finale. Everyone is better off without him
yeah but like diane said, she needed him in her life at that time. maybe shes better off without him, but she needed him to become the person she did. maybe theyre bettr off without him currently, but they needed him at one point
He even managed to poison people's fond memories of horsing around, oopsie
In the last scene of the video, you can see on Ethan's phone BoJack's name 2:29
stairs in the living room and kitchen, that's full house..
Paolo Alfaro Ayye!
I came back to this because I realised that the Gallagher house has a set of stairs in the living room and set of stairs in the kitchen
omg
Okay I know this scene is sad and honestly, just watching it has made me re-evaluate my life (which is similar to the effect every other episode of Bojack Horseman has on me), but I feel like I'm the only person who ship these two... please don't chew me out, it's heart wrenching to see these two have these sad conversations. I'm not saying that them being together would be a healthy relationship, but they seem to connect to eachother on a really deep level
Elysia-San Well you might get your wish since I’m pretty sure Mr.PB and Diane had a divorce
I don’t know if I should or shouldn’t ship this.
theyre better friends
*Thats TOO mUch MAAn*
"I have nothing to show for the life that I've lived and I have nobody in my life who is better off for having known me"
I feel the same often. It really doesn't get any better or it doesn't get any easier. I've burned many bridges, there's no one that's been better off knowin' me.
I never noticed his TV was on top of kegs.
"You can't not be a part of my life."
I mean that's sounds well intentioned but it's subtly toxic. You can't constantly *depend* on friends and demand or force them to stay in your life. If people are uncomfortable with you or need space you either need to work out it or just accept it.
" I can't keep lying to myself that I'm going to change, I'm poison, I come from poison, I have poison inside me and destroy everything I touch, I have nothing to show for the life I've lived, and there is no one who is better off for having known me"
"that's not true!"
*well, only the very last two parts. If you count material wealth. Otherwise BJ's srtraight spittin facts up in here*
this scene really hits different knowing EXACTLY what went down at the planetarium
damn it GOB Bluth
It's weird taking the fact that Diane watched Horsin' Around in, especially when you think back to the time that BoJack tried kissing her. It's ironic really. Like just... Wow, it adds to a layer of messed up, a little like what happened with BoJack and Sarah Lynn, but I'm glad they didn't take it to that extent.
He basically raised Diane too. He raised a lot of women when you really think about it. How many women during that period saw Bojack as some sort of father figure and how many of those same women slept him. Definitely food for Frued.
1:24 he's literally me!!!!!!!!
rip bojack and diane's friendship
She is like Daria
Go home goober!
How could Diane make a stupid question, when Bojack is grieving.
Andy Slaughter trying to change the subject i guess
Because Sarah Lynn's lasts words were "I want to be an architect", and show creators like fucking with the viewers
It was an attempt to get his mind off of it.
It was intentional by the writers. By pointing this out, she's drawing attention to the fact that the television show--the story, the characters, the relationships--none of it is real. It's a fantasy.
Dr. Sick very smart observation
17 minutes
the most depressed character in history is a sitcom tv star.
the irony