Why do Tesla in Europe advertise range in WLTP, then use EPA in the car? Both are wrong!
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The first thing I did was turn the display to percent and just use the satnav. If the satnav says I’ll get to the destination I’m 99.9% sure I’ll make it.
100%
The navigation estimate is a GOM. It is not based on EPA range. It estimates range according to how you drive, what kinds of roads, elevation, temperature... It kind of makes sense to not use a guess-o-meter if the car does not know the route since driving slow can make the range over 500 miles and driving highway or uphill will make the range way lower, downhill can add range, etc...
Did exactly this, week one with the car, back in 2019.
If you are navigating the car does know the route, the elevation changes, outside temperature etc. That is why it is so absurdly accurate
6:02. Recommendation for all Tesla owners who could be confused by that main screen miles range number. Touch it so that the battery percentage is shown, instead. Use your navigator. You can pretty much trust the percent at arrival number for your next destination on the displayed triptick, it is based on how the car is expecting you to drive plus elevation changes and possibly even wind and weather. It is quite accurate, though you can push it a little up or down by driving a little slower or faster.
Travelling from Hungary to the UK for the everything electric show in Harrogate, regularly drive throughout Europe. I always use the percentage and the sat nav, not had a problem yet. Very occasionally I will confirm with Google maps that the route offered is the most appropriate. PS, your videos helped with me getting the Model S. Keep up the good work.
Glad I have been useful!
My philosophy didn't change from the time I had an ice car. When I was doing a long trip, I knew I could find a gas station, Now with my Y, the computer provided me stops to recharge and if the weather interfere, it will readjust. For sure, in our first trips we had some concern, but after we realize the system gave pessimiste projection, that put me at ease.
The OEMs by law have to display the range according to either the WLTP or EPA drive cycle ( which are both done at an ambient of 23C). You will only get that range in your car if you drive the car to the EPA or WLTP drive cycle @23C. The EPA or WLTP range figures are only useful if you are comparing different vehicles. So if car A has a 10% better EPA or WLTP range than car B , then in the real world car A is probably going to give you 10% better range than car B.
The fault is the car Salesman who doesn’t understand how the EPA and WLTP is determined.
Whatever system Tesla uses in the car to give you a range estimate. The car still has the same capabilities, no changes to the actual range. I would never trust a gas car telling me how much range I have left and most gas cars get around 300 miles of range so the situation is pretty similar...
Over 2000 miles since new in my MY RWD and the car is averaging 234 wh/mile which is 4.25 mpKWH. On a long run, with current temperatures I’ll get 4 mpKWH x 57.5 kw battery size = 230 miles. But as others have said, I have the display set on % and I use the satnav to tell me where to stop for charging. Absolutely no range anxiety at all.
Hi Ian, never used the miles range on my screen since I had my model Y, Sept 22. Always keep it on %, much more logical. Especially the way I drive 🤣
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In the EU, the law means that you have to advertise WLTP, and EPA is a lot more conservative which will help keep people from running out of energy.
I always have the battery % on screen instead. Prefer this over mileage.
The single best bit of advice for a new ev driver is to change from miles to percentage.
In the winter /cold spell months i as a rule look at my summer range and calculate that i will lose 25% off my total summer useage which to be honest using my calculations is usually bang on what mileage i get
"Ian" Tesla and all EVs should never display range on main screen, only a percentage or better still 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, full, just like all the vehicals i have ever owned over last 50 years, they have never shown range, in the last few years with ECUs you can usualy access the range left in a sub menu, which is still a type of guessometer as the sub menus do not have access to weather, terrain etc. Our mod 3 from 2019 is allways set to show % how it should be. There would then
be no probs with newbys being fazed with range. P.s keep up these excellent vlogs.
Totally disagree here. Range of most EVs is still too low and the charging infrastructure is still too bad not to need to know range. I'm talking for road trips here (obviously not day to day driving where these are non issues).
I’m new to EV’s I’ve a Tesla model Y and I’m going to the D-Day celebrations in June.
Range anxiety ? Nope I used to ride a motorbikes that had around 200 mile range when ridden? It’s no different. Change your mindset and it’s not an issue.
I’ve located superchargers on the way and around my location and taken out a French ‘chargemap’ account ( same sort of thing as the Electroverse Card), so on the off chance I get caught out I’m not held up by non working apps etc.
It’s a case of all the P’s
Changing to %age is fine, and I have but ridding big super bikes during the early 80’s is a great help.
Range anxiety, wots that 🤣🤣
Missed the new opening theme!
I wonder if we just had a gauge would that reassure us? Is it a problem with a precise number? Maybe it should say “ish” after the number. I would prefer if they put the 30 mile number up there anyway.
Just had range anxiety yesterday. In an ICE car.
Rented a car in Miami (Atlantic Ocean coast), wanted to go visit Fort Myers (Gulf of Mexico coast) via the Everglades (swamps with services for swamp puppies (a.k.a. alligators) but no services for travellers), was worried if the rental car will have enough gas.
9:30 Yes and Amen. Get a Tesla and it will help you schedule your charging (pretty much, it does it for you) and the car will tell you at what percent of battery you'll have upon arrival at the charger, to within a few percent, even if it is hundreds of miles down the road. It will also attempt to route you to an available charger and away from charging locations that are in heavy use, though you can override it. Use the technology and you will be less likely to feel the need to curse it.
Hi Ian, got my MYLR in December 22, set the range to % and when I am on a journey charge it when the Satnav says to do so. Friends with ICE cars seem obsessed with my EV range, how far will it go?
I reply that I charge when it tells me to and it depends how much I start with. The example when pressed is I can go from Torbay to south Birmingham and usually arrive with about 28% and they seem happy with that.
Why did I buy a Tesla? Because I never wanted range anxiety. Unlike other cars. An Audi E tron in France was out of juice, on a Autoroute, because it told the driver there was a charger in 20 kms. There was but it was only in the other direction. In France the exits are often 20 or more Kilometers apart. So the Audi was over 10 kms short and ran out.
Great video
If every petrol station had EV chargers then the range anxiety would not even be an issue. No one ever had it with ICE cars because there are so many petrol/ gas stations around. Not likely to happen any time soon but would solve this issue.
9:05 I could be way wrong about this, but I think I heard on a review that the new Porsche Taycan has pretty high efficiency, which it achieves in part by having that silly two-speed transmission. I remember the Porsche's efficiency being around what the Y has. I doubt there are many if any others out there with both the performance and efficiency of the Model 3, though.
Look at the efficiency of say 3.4 x your battery size is a good indicator of your range using long-term stats
Isn’t it the same as quoted mpg for ICE vehicles compared to actual real world mpg, they’re as far apart as the sun and the moon.
%age and go with it
My model Y is fairly accurate, for miles and that's all I care about, not what system it uses. On long trips I usually aim to charge before it gets to 10% remaining which is about 30 miles left. As long as there is a charger within range, I don't get phased. It tells me. In other EVs it is a worry and I would not let the range drop that low. I would aim charge at no less than 25% And hope the charger was working when I got there.
Confused me when first got mine did expect 285 expected range to be around 220 230 real life but allways said 260 on speedo. After giving my head a shake I actually prefer it to be lower and i get close to 235 miles on full charge which plenty thats none motorway driving town countryside and is what i expected. I will be buying the extra range when available though peace of mind .
Hi Ian, did you notice after the Christmas 2023 update, the range of the Model Y LR changed. I was worried I had something wrong with the battery, but it was Tesla messing with the EPA numbers 😮
As I never show the EPA number I hadn’t noticed!
Hello Ian, interesting dare I say “ controversial my friends” video. Been doing a few road trips recently from Dorset to Cornwall and Lancashire in my 2022 RWD M3 and getting 210 wh/mile which actually gives me a range quite close to my estimated 100% range of 261. Despite this efficiency my projected 30 mile or trip range is always above the average line in the brown rather than green.
My “problem” with Tesla superchargers is deciding which empty one to use and then having plugged in, used the loos and brought a coffee being nagged the car is nearing charge limit so no time to finish my drink. Also worth remembering with the LFP battery Tesla recommends charging to 100% at least once a week, advice that I follow even if the battery is at a state of charge where this is not necessary.
Yes, charger anxiety - it charges too quickly. I had that yesterday whilst filming!
Latest Epa from this year is more accurate. But still optimistic. Only get close on long journey on Motorways
My m3blr us rated at 360 miles, I got 360 miles, I got what it said on the tin.
If people read the manual, instead of asking stupid questions on social media or making daft assumptions, we wouldn’t have this confusion. RTFM!
Human nature. People don’t. Especially when you advertise something it can’t do - “read the manual where it tells you our advertising was a lie” doesn’t help them…
You are more likely to get way more range than they advertise than less range. A vast majority of driving is done at slow speeds and in city traffic. At slow speeds a model 3 or Y can get around 500 miles of range or more if carefully driven...
Some of us live in places with little traffic and fastish roads.
Ian, surely Tesla don’t need either ‘lab’ range type. If as I understand it Tesla are collecting billions of terrabytes of data from all Tesla cars driven then they have real world data from each car to empirically calibrate the mileage range. If it’s good enough data to be able to launch truly hands free FSD then it’s good enough to equip each car with authentic mileage displays.
Exactly!!!! Why use EPA at all!
80% of my total range at this time of year (MYLR) is 252 miles. I notice yours is around 30 miles lower. My MYLR is only 2.5 months and 2500 miles old though. Makes me wonder about battery degradation a which I know is fastest in the first year or so and my charging habits won't have had any impact yet. I've only charged to 100% once, and usually charge up to between 55% (apparently better than 60%-80% to degrade battery as slow as possible) and 80% depending on what driving I know I will do the next day.
Remember that my range is based on driving style and conditions. Speed, types of road, length of trip all make an impact.
10:33 AMEN!!!! that EPA range is a joke, not as big a joke as the WLTP range, but a joke, nonetheless. Leave the main screen set to show percent of charge available and use your navigator on trips. That should be accurate enough. I wish that in addition to the %, it would also show energy left in kilowatt-hours, but I realize I can't have everything,
Well, if you drive in a city, not over 40 mph, then a Model 3 will easily get 500 miles of range, even more if you try to drive efficient... EPA is based on two numbers, city efficiency and highway efficiency. The combined EPA rating will never match either city or highway very well as a result... Tesla is better at re-gen and slower speed efficiency than most other EVs and so Tesla's combined EPA is further away from the lower highway efficiency than most EVs are. Plus, Tesla has a larger buffer below 0% than most EVs, and government tests mandate running until dead, so another reason why the range display seems lower than it should be...
Taycan is heralded because its Combined EPA range is close to what people test at highway speeds. In the EPA testing, default settings are used. And when they did the test, Taycan used zero re-gen as a default setting. So it's city efficiency is terrible according to EPA tests, and so the combined EPA range pretty much matches the end user tested highway range...
Hi. Unrelated question but has anyone in the UK received the new UI update? It’s been a month since Tesla announced it for Europe. I can see UA-cam videos for people who have the update in Europe, the USA and Australia but when I was at the Tesla Service Centre the technician had no idea what I was talking about so I had to show him the official Tesla Europe post on X dated 16 April. Frustrating it’s the biggest UI update which hasn’t come through yet and no one has posted about it in the UK.
I’m several weeks behind releasing videos, but as of today (17th May) I still don’t have it
None of the display or test drive cars in the service centre seemed to have it either. I just found it odd the service centre technician who was working on my Model Y had no idea what UI update I was talking about. I get if it’s a couple weeks to roll out like with the Xmas Update but the first big Spring Update and still nothing a month after it’s announced.
I'm on 14.6 and on Atom powered Model 3 (also NE Scotland). Seems to show a lot more cars, moved energy indicator to the right and now vertical making it less visible. Got it midweek.
Was that recently and in the last few days? Do you have the new visualisation with your Model 3 front and centre and maps in the corner like the Cyber Truck UI? I just saw a video posted 3 days ago saying 14.6 has now started rolling out to the Intel Based vehicles who missed out on the initial roll out of the big spring update that should have rolled out to all the AMD Ryzen vehicles around the world since a month ago… well except the UK for some stupid reason 😤😠😡🤬
@@michaelsamaan895 got it midweek. Think it appeared Tuesday and I installed Wednesday or Thursday. It's definitely different visualisation, probably better in car parks. Normal roads, don't notice much changes but I'm driving, not staring at the screen.
I’ve driven a few EV’s in the last years. All of them were quite in error when trying to trust the remaining range. Trust the percentage and don’t trust your right foot (it’s usually heavier than you think…). Using the trip planner in the Tesla is probably the best I’ve seen in all EV’s I know. But it is something difficult to explain to ICE drivers. But in the end they always admit that their car isn’t accurate as well. But then they come up with “cannot tow my caravan” or “ can’t drive 900 km’s on a single charge”. And all the other arguments that are easy to defuse. Most people who actually so switch never want to go back to an ICE again.
The poor range estimating is pretty much the same for all EV’s, but for Tesla’s you have far less range anxiety than others that have to use the chaotic non-supercharger network. My small EV has a WLTP range of 214 miles and I’ve never got more than 180 miles in the real world.
I would just take 10% off WLTP straight away and go from there (wish they would just do that as standard). As for EPA, it’s more conservative than WLTP so it’s a better measure. Don’t think it really matters in a Tesla though - use the Sat Nav and it will pretty much work perfectly.
Good vlog as usual but couple things on this, WLPA, if you were to drive round Edinburgh, without stopping the efficiency of the car would be such that the WLPA figure could be reached, also the car is smart enough to recalculate max distances against your driving style so if this is all you do the figures would change. However nobody drives that way and the American EPA range is closer to real world driving as a result a more realistic figure. Secondly max range as against 100% battery, alway be a discrepancy again depending on driving style, but alway remember Tesla’s have generally a 2+ Kw usable buffer in the battery, in my Model 3 that would give me an extra 9 miles range which would bring mine up to the EPA range quoted. More to talk about, keep up the good work
Can you drive efficiently enough to deliver WLTP? Sure. Will that figure ever be shown on the miles display? No.
The simple fix? Remove the miles display!
My Tesla Model 3 highland RWD according to WLTP should do 318 mile. I get between 225 to 275 mile with 10% left. On top of this you have around 10% charging losses. I get average of 4.5 mile to ever kwh charge. I would like to WLTP scrapped and real world range for winter and summer and charging losses given. After having Hyundai Ioniq BEV for 4.5 year Tesla were only one that could match the Ioniq efficiency. I also went for Tesla due to supercharger network. I have always used battery % on both EVs.
There is another 10% or so below zero. Tesla is trying to be conservative so that drivers run out of energy less often.
There has to be tougher regulations regarding range, even more so for ICE cars, they are ridiculously wrong
Not sure I agree. Other cars show a predicted range based on your driving style for the last few miles, which is also not WLTP. Tesla manual says screen shows the ‘estimated range’. Most issues I’ve seen on forums can be answered with ‘what does it say in the manual’.
The actual range estimate for a journey is highly accurate as you have shown. That’s the most important thing.
Standards are only useful for comparisons:
NEDC: not even damn close
WLTP: way less than predicted
China standards are just ridiculous.
The inaccuracy for the WLTP is the same for ICE cars, just no-one notices or has the car set on miles remaining.
My model Y showed 260 miles at 100% when new in June 2023. However after 1 year max miles is now only showing 256 miles at 100%. Is this the start of battery degradation and if so is this what’s would be expected. Car has done 7,700 miles ?
Wow. We are averaging 24000 per year in our M3.
I think this neatly highlights the issue. 260 miles was an estimate. It’s now showing 256 miles. Doesn’t matter. How many miles does your energy use screen show? That is the relevant number
@@justgetateslathe reduction in range isn’t a problem the question is really is this battery degradation and Will the miles reduce year on year. Or is it my driving style and some internal algorithm that simply making the range less.
Don't own a Tesla yet so don't take my view as gospel but I've watched a lot of content on them and they reckon the degradation is up to 10% (worse case) at 50k miles and it drops off after that to hardly anything. All depends on how you charge it ofc, a lot of supercharging, running the battery dry and charging to 100% (if you don't have an LFP battery) will all affect the rate of degradation.
I think this shows the battery health. 256/260 *100 equals 98.5%.
My Model 3 SR after 2 years and 50,000 mls shows 416 km. That was 439 when new. Therefore, 94.8% SoH imho.
This degradation curve should flatten out after the first couple of years. Fingers crossed 🤞
Ian, what I don't understand is why Tesla uses either WLTP or EPA and then calculates range based on the percentage of battery remaining, That can never be realistic. I have a VW ID.3 and that uses recent driving history to calculate range. That is also not foolproof and the predicted range can increase as you drive if the previous journeys have been inefficient and now you are driving more efficiently and vice versa.
The Tesla system guesses more accurately than other systems. My Leaf a decade ago was hopeless. Tesla? Told me I would arrive at the Supercharger on 2% 100 miles back. Mix of motorway and fast country roads. Sleet. Arrived on 2%. I trust it absolutely.
@justgetatesla Yes I know that Tesla's calculations are very good taking into account head winds, gradients and temperatures etc, which is my point. Why not display that rather than WLTP x battery percentage remaining. Surely that would be more accurate . Also never understood why you can't display or have the option to display, miles/kWh.
4:50 If you are talking about highway (speed) miles, the car will not get 283 (WLTP) , nor even 257 (EPA). It will get less, making the EPA number wrong (too large), but not as wrong as the WLTP number would be. Of course if you are doing all your driving at 30 or 40 mph on flat level roads, you might get more than the WLTP, even, don't know, never tried that.
Maybe this worry all started with the very early EVs which were not too good
My suggestion... Have a switch on one of the menus called 'Range Type'. Then have 3 options: Real world, EPA, and WLTP. Then the USER can decide which BS they want to see ;-)
They should just set the battery to percentage and not even bother with miles. We manage just fine with all other tech using %
10:59 I disagree. Tesla can't possibly believe you are likely to get the EPA range shown, though some may believe it (I once did, too, but I very quickly learned otherwise). The car does have an accurate expected range, if it knows the route you will be driving. You could use the backward-looking expected range based on you 30-mile average, but it isn't necessarily accurate, or you can use the usually extremely accurate range used in calculating remaining charge on reaching your destination (or next intermediate stop, possibly a charging station). I use that last exclusively on long trips, and aim for the car to have 10% to 20% available upon arriving at my next charging stop. Some less risk-averse folks (see the Out-of-Spec people) aim at having even less than 10% at the next charging stop.
So far I've only done one really long trip from Alabama to San Diego and back (4,000 miles plus another 500 miles driving around in CA and Tucson), and a 1,167 mile eclipse chasing trip, but by using the Navigator and Autopilot for the San Diego trip and FSD 12.3.4 for the eclipse chasing trip, I never had any surprises nor had to stress about range, though I did have to take parts of two legs of the San Diego trip a about 5 or 10 mph slower than I had planned. Once due to heavy wind (40mph) and once on purpose due to starting the leg with less charge than I would need to have sufficient extra charge left upon reaching the next charging station. On the last I had decided to cut my charging short and just drive a little slower, probably came out about even.
I'm glad Tesla chose EPA range over WLTP in the display, since this is the lower number and therefore closer to reality.
My main problem with it is that they advertise WLTP. So a load of new owners think their car is broken because it never displays that range…
Forget the range, just look at efficiency and work it out yourself
My model 3 2022 is showing an average wh/ mile as 216 @13000 miles, and this is going to drop back to 214 by the end of the summer I am sure. Just stop where and when you are told and you will be fine
I do not think your average driving estimate is right. I do not anyone neither believe that if you got just 5 miles trip daily (one way + 5 miles return as to come to average 10 miles journey as per your estimate) you will buy a 50-60K vehicle or if it worth at all to have any vehicle for that 10 miles daily journey. I am in London and just in London I travel at least 30 miles and some times more on daily basis.
The key is accepting that our own personal example may not be the average. I’m quoting government statistics and they are based off MOT tests
To me I have never ever trusted the figures quoted for cars. EV's use WLTP and a total range. However ICE cars used MPG and if you multiply that up to full range, using the size of the fuel tank, they are even further behind. Often quoted as say 45 MPG they only then average 35 MPG. So a 70L tank so approx 15.4 UK gallons. At 35 MPG that would be 539 miles, but at claimed 45 MPG, 693 miles. Now that is a huge drop and everyone accepts that. EV's can reach their WLTP and my old Kia E Niro could on certain runs. Not that often, but could. Never had a petrol or diesel equal any MPG figure.
It matters (a little) if you don't have access to a level 2 charger. If you rely on the Supercharging network for all your charging then the cost is similar per mile to an efficient ICE vehicle plus you are spending 30-45 minutes at a supercharger more often (200-300 miles of range on a full battery) than you would be spending five-ten minutes at the gas station (300-450 miles of range on a full tank).
EV's are great if you own a home and can install a level 2 charger(or if you have one available at work). If you live in an apartment/flat/condo/college dorm then it is difficult to make a case for EV's. At least from a time/cost standpoint. Of course, time/cost is not everyone's main concern. Some people just love the instant speed in an EV and some people just love the rumble of an ICE vehicle.
What I do resent is the government forcing car companies to sell a certain number of EV's or be fined.
Nope. That cost you cite must be the highest most gouging chargers and during a short period of time that is was extra expensive. Blasted on the news to try and convince everyone that those are the normal conditions... EVs like Model Y and Model 3 should normally cost 3-5x less per mile than running an efficient gas car, plus savings on maintenance and a longer lifespan... A lot of EV owners become roadtrippers after buying an EV because of the savings and the convenience of roadtripping an EV... This is a widespread phenomenon I have read about in several stories and studies...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Gas where I live right now is $3.20 a gallon. My car gets 31 MPG so that is just over 10 cents a mile. It will cost me around $31 to go 300 miles.
According to Tesla's website my local Tesla supercharger is .45 cents a kWh for NACS enabled vehicles. I'm sure it is cheaper for Tesla's so lets just say .40 cents a kWh. If conditions are perfect and I drive the speed limit and get 4 Miles a kWh then it will cost me $30 to go 300 miles.
If it is windy or cold or I drive faster and I get 3 miles a kWh then it would cost me $40 to go 300 Miles in an EV paying 40 cents a kWh for fast charging.
Supercharging, at least at current gas prices in my region cost more than gas.
Gas cost more in places like California but then so does power. I just looked at Tesla's website at a random spot in California and the NACS enable vehicle was 61 cents a kWh.
The only time I can get substantial savings on EV versus Gas is by having a level 2 home charger. Which is why I'm seriously considering getting an EV. My home power rate is one the lowest in the United States at 9 cents per kWh. For 90% of my driving I could be paying 3-4 cents a mile.
In markets where fuel is artificially cheap, then the price is a problem. In Europe? It isn't even close.
I have to disagree on this actually for the simple fact that the EPA range is more realistic than WLTP. For once the Americans are doing this better than the rest of the world. They legally have to advertise it with WLTP on the website but is it not better that the range in the car is closer to an achievable value?
As you say they also have a Guess o Meter in the energy app but that can jump around wildly so I do kind of understand why they use a fixed measurement outside of that.
Love your videos, keep it up but just had to comment from UK that while yes it might confuse some, I think it's the right call.
I’m not disputing that EPA appears to be a better test than WLTP. I just feel sorry for the people buying cars and thinking they are broken as it never ever shows the advertised range. It makes Tesla and EVs look bad and fuels the FUD
How many of these people decrying the actual vs advertised range of EVs, got/get the advertised fuel economy in their dinosaur burners?
Few to none. But as there are more filling stations its less of an issue. Unless like me you live rural. And use the dino car for early / late airport runs. Where the filling stations are shut. And you forgot to check the fuel level the day before...
@@justgetatesla 😂🤦🏻♂️
They must show WLTP in ypur County, as decided by your country. WLTP is a known failed test not representing the real customer experience. EPA is closer to it. So celebrate the fact you can see the range closer to reality, EPA estimate, in your daily use, instead of inflated WLTP value.
You have missed the point of the video. So many new owners here think their car is BROKEN because it never gets the advertised range
I’m embarrassed every time I go into a service station
The reason being that when I bought my Tesla 2 years ago I had very very mild range anxiety regardless that I rarely do long journeys. But every single time I go into a service station there’s a row of chargers and always half empty. Yesterday for example on the way down the A1 back from the Yorkshire dales decided to stop at Grantham for eats because the weather was atrocious and the road busy. And there they were, stalking me. 16 Tesla chargers and similar for ‘others’ and only 3 cars charging. Didn’t even have time to finish our burgers! There are too many chargers AND they charge too quickly. Perhaps that’s why Elon has slowed up the network expansion? BTW have you seen the Chinese news? A breakthrough in battery tech. 10 mins charge for hundreds of miles
Whilst I agree with you that most charging sites usually have capacity, that isn’t always true. With so many cars being sold we need more chargers.
The news about what the Lord Elon has done since is also revealing. Rehiring people. Contradicting his earlier statements that they will push ahead after all. Reports that he fired the whole team in a strop. And now appears to regret it
@@justgetatesla he’s a complicated man, it goes with the territory. And employment laws in the US are shocking
@@justgetatesla not for the first, nor the last, time.
Ian are you on a diet?
Looking good m8
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I’ve lost 23kg so far this year…
I shall give you 1 dollar but I will call it 1 pound because I have to give you 1 pound.
Which dollar? Australian? Canadian? New Zealand? American? “Dollar” isn’t specific enough…
The one with lowest value of course.
We did and do hold all the cards. Having not lost any trade deals with the EU and gained extra global deals previously restricted without EU permission, self appointed so called better informed Remainers 8 years down the line are still in denial about Brexit. Some people simply cannot accept they were and are wrong.
As someone who professionally imports goods into the UK I do have to snigger slightly at you waving slogans about as somehow still having any value.
@@justgetatesla What slogans are you talking about. Holding the cards isn't a slogan, it's a statement of fact. What value are you on about? What are you sniggering about? None of your comment makes any sense. You obviously just like the sound of your own voice. Brexit is done, get over it.
I disagree, everyone agrees that WLTP is a terribly inaccurate measure. It is better that Tesla shows the more accurate EPA range. Would you rather that they show a range that no driver will ever get?
I think they are obliged to show WLTP on advertising - not sure if it is down to the Advertising Standards or just due to everyone else using WLTP.
Why is everyone using WLTP? Because it’s the world standard. And so many new Tesla owners in the Uk think their car is broken because it never ever displays the advertised range
“The majority of journeys are under 10 miles”. Yes but what about the longer journeys? What about people who have to travel long distances? Sounds like you want to limit our travel. That’s the great thing about ICE - freedom. Freedom to go wherever I want, when I want, with a simple quick refuel (every 700 miles in my case).
You haven’t seen much of my channel have you? I drive the length of the country with no issues. And refuelling? Nobody drives 700 miles non-stop. When you stop and have a break, plug the car in. It’s usually ready to go before I am
Not everyone has a tank to last 700 miles. When I was doing road trips in my ICE car I stopped to refuel at least once during a 400 mile trip (not to mention for potty breaks -- little ones have small bladders)
Shove your Tesla and the climate change BS.
What always entertains me about comments like this is the burning rage on display. I don’t talk about climate change. Not because it isn’t real, because my choice of a Tesla is because it’s desirable as a car.
Angry morons think whatever they are angry about must be the truth. And project it everywhere. How terrible it must be to be so angry all the time - and so stupid
@@justgetatesla Good for you with your choice of car.
I will not be forced to buy an EV because of government diktats after 2030, by which time your Tesla will be worth less than my 2009 Ford Focus.
@@justgetatesla lol 😂 💯