First of all, a huge thank you to BobVids for the incredible support throughout this whole ordeal. I'm truly grateful to have met him; he's genuinely a goodsoul. So, thank you so much, Bob! I'm feeling really down and upset with myself for helping someone like Artur. It bothers me that I let myself be manipulated and deceived. I keep wondering, what could I have done differently to see through him? When he first reached out, as the video details, he completely lied about who he was and his past. I believed he was a new indie developer, and I sincerely wanted to help, because that's just who I am-I like to help people. I won't pretend that this experience hasn't shaken my trust; it definitely has. I often help indie developers for free, spending hours on calls to offer advice and assistance wherever I can. But this has really knocked my confidence, and I'll find it hard to trust as freely as I did before. However, I refuse to let Artur change who I am. I want to continue being the kind person I know I am, and I’ll do my best to move past this. Lastly, if you're racist, transphobic, or hateful in any way, I have a simple message: please leave. For everyone facing racism or any form of hate, I am so, so sorry! Do what makes you happy and live your best life, because you deserve it. Love to all of you, and yeah, it’s going to take some time to process all of this!
Fuck yeah, Joe! You rule! I'm glad you're out there helping people, because you actually care. Not just about helping people who are just starting out but the marginalized as well!😊
A lot of people, especially on UA-cam, have a tendency to go softer on the person they’ve been criticizing after the have the opportunity to actually speak to them, and I really respect that you’re refusing to let him off the hook.
Hearing this guy say something was not good enough to be in his game is comical. Also I'm from Poland. I am also gay. There is problem with discrimination here, but there is also a lot of good people. This guy is an embarrasment.
nothing quite like using your whole country as a shield to be a horrible person so you can keep perpetuating this oh yeah poor little poland is so unaware that it's not common knowledge racism and transphobia is bad.... get the fuck out with this shit
There is problem with discrimination in all slavic countries. I'm a gay person from ruzzia and I always try to double check devs from this Mordor hellhole. Most of them are into some reactionary nazi shit and openly homophobic. I don't want to support bigots that want to take away my human rights.
It's true that we didn't have as much problems with racism as e.g. USA, France or UK because there weren't as many people of color here in the past (in the 19th century for example). Tbh after getting independency in 1918 and before WWII our country was seen as very open one in comparison. Of course as an European country we had a lot of problems related to antisemitism, even after the German occupation. People of color started to settle here in the 50s as an element of cooperation between Poland, USSR, China and North Korea and mostly in the 90s after the fall of USSR and the opening of the market. Then there were some racism issues which weren't really covered by officials - mostly in language (like offensive terms that have entered linguistic usage) and isolated racist attacks. The effect is that many folks who were raised before 2000s had limited knowledge and views on racism. I think Artur is a perfect example of it - not really racist but with limited moral compass from lack of knowledge. Anyway, not gonna lie - we're living in 2024, there were over 2 decades of the huge expansion of the internet, when we all here had chance to learn and become better. So not really defending the guy, just wanted to share an interesting context in my opinion.
also, LGBT-free zones are no more a thing as we've changed the government few months ago. It's not a very safe country for LGBTQ+ people beside few biggest cities and our current government is centrist-right-wing something but they started cooperating with EU again so hopefully we'll see a change soon. Warsaw is for example a very friendly city and I met there a lot of LGBTQ+ people who feel good here but there is still a lot to do after the last pro-catholic antitrans pro-life trump-esque govnmt which ruined a lot of things.
I'm still bewildered and horrified over the fact he used leaked audio of a *women getting brutally assaulted in front of her infant on a 911 call* and still thinks he or his terrible game has any merit. Like WHO TF DOES THAT?! Not to mention people willing to support it because he's "anti-woke" or sum BS.
Well, he claimed that the voice-acted set didn't feel authentic and emotive enough. So, uh, I guess an argument can be made for him going straight for genuine trauma to sell his tripe. A _deplorable_ argument, but still....
liking a video of a black child falling off a roof is beyond fucking horrific. seriously sickening to imagine, how can you live with yourself liking a video of a child in a life-threatening situation. i can't believe i have to live on the same planet as someone like that
_"How can you live with yourself liking a video [of a black child being in danger]?"_ When you think that the black child is less than human. You either like it because the child is black, and you're a racist piece of shit who gets off on seeing black people suffer; or you're _not_ racist, but you're still a psychopath because _it's still a child suffering._
I am from Poland. I live in Poland. His "oh sorry I live in poor little country I no know sorry" excuse had my blood start actually fucking boiling. Artur, wiem, że będziesz w tych komentarzach. Czy naprawdę tak bardzo nisko nas oceniasz? Oj biedna mała Polska nie wie że transfobia jest zła :((
Zrozumiałbym jeśli miałby 14 lat, wyobrażam sobie że w gimnazjum lajkowałbym podobne tweety bo faktycznie w takim byłem środowisku... Tylko że gościu ma przynajmniej 20-parę lat, nie wierzę że można być tak nieświadomym społecznie jako dorosła osoba XD
If you live in Poland, you should already know it's a racist shithole filled with white supremacists but your biggest concern is about a made up bigotry? 😂
something seems off to me about the fact that arthur put an actual real-life 911 call of a sexual assault victim in a game and he handwaves it as "oh I just looked it up on youtube"
in all fairness it is widely available on youtube - i heard it years ago (i recognized the transcript of it shown in the last vid), it's really awful. this doesn't excuse his behaviour at all.
You have creators who find what they're looking for and don't dig too deep into it, so they use it. Then you have "reporters" who dig so deeply into a person they find things the person themselves probably forgot about a decade ago. There's also the assumption that easy access to something on the internet must mean it's okay to use and is not directly linked to a horrific event. Someone found out they somehow bought a murder weapon on Etsy, once. Shit happens. He should probably have removed the game and reworked that audio file once he found out, though.
I try my best not to swear when I'm online, but this is supremely fucked up. Joe seems like the nicest guy. I genuinely hope Artur changes, but like you said, it could be entirely fake and he's just placating. I've lied before to protect myself. When I finally realized just how I hurt people, including my friends at the time, I felt like garbage and I vowed to never do it again. I like to believe people can change too, Bob.
Even if Artur genuinely feels bad and wants to change, there's very little reason to believe that he actually will. People don't go through movie magic change of hearts that instantly change who they are. This guy lies about everything, even completely inane shit that does literally nothing to benefit him. His word is worthless, we'll just have to wait and see if his actions do anything to fit what he says.
People can change though. It won't happen overnight, and it's more likely to happen if we handle it with care. It's unlikely to happen if we don't allow the space for people that do awful, heinous things to feel that they actually do have a road to redemption that we're rooting for them to take.
@@clumsyninja925 a lot of the conversation surrounding artur has been very spiteful and angry towards him - and rightfully so, he's done despicable shit, make no mistake. but the internet has a bad habit of building up peoples' identities on the things they've done, or whatever they're known for, which kind of results in them being codified as that one thing forever. like how james somerton is known by most people as The Plagiarism Guy now. it doesn't matter if people like artur do _want_ to change if they're simply not given that chance, because so much of the discourse surrounding them involves people spitting in their face for what they've already done. it can make them feel like they'll never be forgiven, or like they don't _want_ to associate with the people who are mad at them, and if we're not careful, it's possible they'll just double down on their old habits. hate and anger can be comfortable things to stew in, especially if they're already familiar to you. it's already so easy to fear and loathe what you don't understand, and if the unknown is openly hostile to you, it only gets easier to shrink away from it. i'm not saying anyone needs to forgive artur or make excuses for him; if he does want to be a better person, that _will_ hinge on him putting in the effort. and it'll probably be less daunting to get started if he gets some breathing room first. let the poor sod be on his own for a bit and think about what road he wants to take without people spitting in his face every other moment
@@glassphoenix9095If he can't handle people criticizing him for things he wants to change on, something he'd have to do to himself if he really wanted to change, then he ain't changing.
Man, it really sucks that my country is shown in this light, but then again, the people here really are super intolerant for anyone that's even slightly different. Just wanted to say that there are also many good guys here, unfortunately they are not the ones in power... Thanks for the vid Bob
this is extremely disappointing to watch unfold. I feel bad for Joe getting wrapped up in all this and hope he doesn't feel less inclined to help struggling devs in the future.
I'm really glad you and Joe got a chance to really communicate to Artur just how and why his behaviour is unacceptable, and the human cost of that misanthropic charlatanism. I would hope that Artur is able to take it to heart, deliver on those promises he made, and grow as a person in doing so. However, I also know that people who are habitually stuck in an echo chamber of toxic ideologies are not apt to change their ways so easily. Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.
for the past few years ive looked up to you as a youtuber. not only are your videos just excellently put together, you actually use it to spread kindness and the best for others while calling out those who deserved to be. i feel thats something we dont see much of these days although it really can make all the difference. great work as usual bob
A thrilling conclusion, thanks for keeping us updated Bob! I believe that people can change, no matter how horrible, but that belief is not owed and must be proven with action.
One of the worst things about this is that I really do want to believe Artur can change. I want to believe that terrible people can change. We’ll have to wait and see. At least this brought my attention to the KPH and motivated me to though a couple of bucks their way, as I’m sure it has others. Keep fighting the good fight, bob.
Man, I really hope Joe and his sister are alright, them thoughts are hard to deal with, and honestly hope he has looked into therapy after an experience like that, hearing how he felt is just downright awful. He defo seems like a great guy. And the indie dev scene can be hard place to get footing in speaking from experience trying to find people to work with ect can be rough, so him going out of his way just for this to all backfire is horrendous.
The Artur Saga has honestly opened my eyes to the hellscape that can exist in indie game spaces; I hope the people conned by Artur haven’t had their passion for horror games destroyed by this malicious fraudster and instead find other devs who are at least decent people who deserve the support
I wonder to what extent cultural upbringing actually explains bigotry? I'm from Poland, but I've had the privilege to be born to well-off parents who moved a lot between countries and sent me to a boarding school in England. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I ended up identifying as firmly left-wing, with ambiguously European sensibilities. I imagine I would be far less so if I had stayed in Poland and fallen in with the wrong crowd. But still, it feels weird to hear someone bring up their country of origin as an explanation(?) for why they did a racism. There has to be some deeper emotional introspection there than just "my culture made me"...
If he were trying to use a smaller, more personal circle of influences on himself growing up as an explanation, rather than a broad culture, it would be easier to swallow.
i believe people can change, but they have to want to change. i dont know if artur does. i dont know how much of what he told you and joe was genuine remorse and how much was lip service to make the problem disappear. only time will tell. thanks for the update. another great vid.
You’re a modern day Sherlock homes old sport! Thanks for sharing your discovery and uncovering this shady and disturbing individual and bringing him to light. He won’t change, but less people will fall for his future ploys thanks to you.
Definitely a heavy watch, but I'm certainly glad Joe was able to get some type of closure after being caught up in the splash zone. Interesting to see if Artur actually follows through and grows from this.
Listening to Joe really broke my heart. Nothing but love and good vibes to him. Also, beyond thankful to have someone like you in our community who really cares. Thank you, Bob for being one of my favorite internet people for over a decade.
Good on you for keeping on top of him. I do also believe people deserve a second chance to improve. Actions will always speak louder than words, though, so we'll see how much he owns up to this.
I had to mute the video when Artur started talking to explain why he used the 911 call. And followed by Joe's genuine plea to explain why no one would ever want their call used for entertainment really hurt to hear. While I want to believe anyone can change, someone who's prime entertainment on Twitter being videos of black people being hate crimed/dying going on to using real audio of a SA strike me as someone who has a very, very long and cruel journey ahead of them for change. Poland does, in fact, have a shockingly large volume of violent Nazis in the country surrounded by an extremely Catholic community. Is that the entire country? No. Just like any other country, the majority of the people are normal, kind, empathetic people. For him to say as an adult he thought any of this was okay and blaming it on Poland is just ingenuine. Right now he's not looking to actually change, he is looking to cover up his violent racist, transphobic, misogynistic beliefs in order to still get money. At the very least I hope he never makes it in the game industry for many years to come.
Yeah, the whole 'Look, Im in Poland, so like, Im just doing as the culture demands' doesn't really explain why you then went on to lie and manipulate multiple people. That implies a level of understanding that you are in the wrong. So yeah, Im not holding my breath to see if he actually does what he said he''ll do
I hope Artur does change as a person. Even if he keeps making bad bad games he could make good art if he honestly tries to change. I'd rather it be because of lack of talent or developing skills. Not because of harmful ideas in his head. He could make something if he takes the time to change and grow. There is something to tap into and help the space. And if he doesn't...well, not ever horror story is fictional.
"Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, _also_ shame on me. Fool me three times, and I am sent to my death." - Heavy Weapons Guy, _Poker Night at The Inventory._
Fellow horror game lover here. Loved what you just said about silent hill 2 it really is more than just a game : ) Thanks for doing the right thing bobvids. I too hope Artur can change his vile ways. Like come on buddy, you don't have to be a pos like that!
I Don't think so. He had a chance to change when he became an adult. He still liked weird ass posts about people suffering..etc "I was a dumb kid" isn't really an excuse when you do something more than stupid. I mean putting someone's traumatic experience into game isn't really a dumb kid mindset. But whatever,I am way too sceptic towards him.
Love the fact that you made him donate to LGBTQ fund. All the weirdos that supported the dev because of his transphobia should know where their money have gone😂
I am Polish and I do not agree with Artur's statement that many people here have "unpleasant thoughts about people outside". Only a small group of crapheads do and we condemn that rigorously! That's disgusting Artur said something like that about his Fatherland!
I will give Arthur this: after seeing do many horrible apologies full of people trying to shift the blame of what they did into a vague "thing" that "happened", at the very least it was refreshing to correct himself every time he tried to say "we did" and say "I did". I hope he does reflect on this and change. I don't know that he will, but I think it would be nice if he did.
9:43 y'know when the big titted anime demon girl vtuber avatar expressed disappointment at the situation i *felt that* (for real though all seriousness shit sucks)
Big props to you bobvids for this little 'supernormal series', this is a huge mess that's just not worth anybody's fuckin time but im glad something good may have come out of this.
I hope he changes for the better, that's all I can really say here. You've said everything else. I hope he changes for the sake of himself and those who may come in contact with him.
Very good video Bob! I'm so sorry for Joe... lots of love to all people who are united by horror no matter who they are, except racist, homophobic, transphobic people...! I just wanna say it's a real horror how this person can laugh about his lies... giving me goosebumps and I just wanna vomit.
Having lived in Poland as a kid… yeah. It’s really bad to be non-white or gay in that country, so to a degree I understand being born and raised in that environment and not questioning that mindset. However, that’s not an excuse for your behavior, it’s an explanation. You need to do the other half of that and improve yourself, and if you’re not willing to do that… that explanation becomes just another excuse that the rest of us should completely ignore.
If Artur Łączkowski had just recognized the awful nature of his hateful actions and resolved to change, all of this could have been avoided. A lot of people are unconsciously bigoted or hateful, so Artur's situation isn't really abnormal or irredeemable. The staunch refusal of Artur and bigots like him to become better people is mind boggling. I don't understand how people can admit to being pieces of shit and be proud about it.
I really do want Artur to improve himself, to redeem himself, to be better. The Discord call gives me a bit of hope (funny enough, especially the part where he admitted he was shorter than 6ft). Please do keep us updated
Wait, the actual audio itself was from the real 911 call? I thought that whole thing with that was just about using exact dialogue from a real call for a recreation. I mean, both would have been incredibly shitty, but jesus christ, I was happier when I misunderstood that one. Fuck that shit, seriously.
Hey Bob. I have been a fan since the subtitled homecoming lets play. Thank you for videos. I just wanted to say as much as I myself believe being extra stern with these transphobes, racist, bigots online I can’t say I was comfortable with the tone at the end of the video. you have much bigger perspective about this whole situation than us so you have your reasons to find his apologies insincere. Hell even I am not sure he deserves a second chance. That being said I consider his apology a positive. Being skeptical about his sincerity is where I would end things. You can still be angry for all the fucked up things he has done and I honestly am angry as well but if we are going to say “ok show it then” to him, I am not comfortable starting it with angry shouts. Or I am still naive I don’t know.
yeah, Artur has zero integrity and finding out more about him is certainly fascinating content but I felt a bit weirded out by the tone of the video. not for Artur's sake, i just don't find "defeating the Bad Guys" to be a great atmosphere to be in
I can't describe how bad it feels to be an indie horror developer who tries to do things right and works as hard as possible on their projects, and see that there are people like Arthur with more visibility. It really makes me feel awful, lol.
bro could've literally just had the voice actor do another take instead of seeking out a person's real life trauma. Joe seems like a genuinely nice guy.
That stuff about Poland and its zones? Yeah I don't need to look it up, I've heard about it directly from a few polish people over Discord. It's messed up.
In the guy's mildest defence, I think his regret over using the real 911 call sounded genuine and real, and the way he talked seemed to indicate making some kind of meaningful change in attitude-- he just talked with a flattened affect and in a second language, so him trying to think up the right words could come off as seeming suspect. I mean-- hopefully.
Yeah the problem is that...well he has lied multiple times before and trusting someone who says they want to make amends gets harder and harder the longer they have lied.
im from poland he shouldnt excuse transphobia and racism based on a country you live in yes back when i was young i would tend to be transphobic and racist but never because of living in poland i blame my parents (who arent from the same country as me i was just born in poland) for that but now im an ally for everyone man artur sucks
I'm crying soo hard, thank you bob i really think videos like this one make a difference. I'm very touched and emotionnal that people like you and Joe exist. You managed to not keep quiet in face of violence and belitteling and i look up to you thank you Bob and Joe. I'm gonna wipe my tears i can't see my screen You are really sweet people and i really wish you the best.
I hope Arthur was genuine in his voice call, he seemed upfront but I'm not counting on it. He's an asshole, but if he wants to be, he seems smart enough to become a better person
I am sure he is developing his games in some middle of nowhere bumfuck village near Wąchock. As someone who lives in one of bigger Polish cities (Wroclaw) I am sure he is not one of big city developers, because being pro LGBTQ here is not that uncommon.
In fact that this is not the first time that indie game dev uses real 911 call for the horror game Puppet combo Dev uses Ruth Price Call 911 for the scream sound effects in nun massacre
I'd be curious to see if Artur does actually want to change down the line. I've seen folks do a heel-turn before, so its not impossible. But it's good you're not giving him the benefit of doubt. Its so easy saying you can change as person, but the actuality of doing it is long and bloody hard, and lots of folks balk the moment they get the first sign of pushback. It's something you have to truly, deeply want and work for despite if no one believes you.
You know, I don't think the folks saying they're gonna buy 5 copies of a game because the creator(s) are garbage human beings are actually going to do it. I doubt they'll even buy a single copy. It's easy, borderline effortless to say that sort of thing and then hear all the other garbage humans agree with you and metaphorically slap you on the back for "sticking it to the libs" and whatnot. These people, I'd bet, by and large aren't even willing to support their own disgusting beliefs.
Hi, sorry this is off topic. but I watched both Voidburger playtrough's of SH: The short message. And am now watching a VOD of you two theorizing about it. I was wondering, have you come up with a solid theory that explains everything? I've been digging into it for a weak now, and I think I actually figured it out. It's really hard to find people interested in it. . My problem is that I really think the common consensus on the game is wrong. Most people get the main plot but there is a lot more if you want to explain most of the stuff that seem out of place at first.
Like I wanna be mad about you not giving him the chance to actually show he's making amends, before calling him a liar again. But then at the end, finding out he's not actually 6foot, I mean dude, screw this guy! 😆HOW COULD HE! Wish he does put in the work to fix this mess. It wouldn't take much, not as much as some. He's already done the hardest part by admitting he lied, now all he has to do is not lie again. But if he screws it up this time, he's just going ruin the rest of his life as being the guy who can't keep his word.
amazingly I come from a similar small country that was also very much similar but once i got access to more diverse books AND Internet i was able to recognise things and unlearn so much so uh the comment about being from Poland etc is such a cop out. He clearly has access to internet and other point of views and like...not an excuse man.
Its probably just a nitpick but I hate how pronounced his ums are, it feels like its almost purposesfully annoying but its probably just language, but also maybe not
come on artur is not gonna change because some dude told him he should lol and of course he blamed being polish on his racism, I'm polish and not any of the things he is, see? it's easy
omg dude i actually have a little bit of context for that video of the kid falling that tweet... it's from a brazilian shitpost account😭 a very famous one i don't think they posted the video out of malice and i think the kid is fine
This comment might get deleted or whatnot and I don't expect most of Bob's audience to agree but I am kind of weirded out by the practice of constantly saying you'd like someone to change while publicly telling everyone that you don't believe they're capable of it and that they will continue to lie about their progress. This isn't really about Artur, I don't give a wet fart about the guy nor should I care about some dude who seems to be making some of the worst cruft on the Steam horror page, but it's just this tendency I see not just in Bob but in a lot of folks on the left or who purport to believe in restorative justice. It is true, as a few commenters have pointed out, that Artur seems at least regretful of putting the 911 call in his game, and from the little Bob has shown us I don't find much reason to believe OR disbelieve him either way when he says he thinks it was a stupid decision. I did watch Bob's previous video on the guy and was obviously appalled, and I could believe that any behind-the-scenes interactions with Artur might have cemented Bob's conviction that the dude is incapable of change, but barring the possibility that there's stuff Bob just can't show us out of a respect for privacy (which: I assume Joe and/or his sister were OK about publicizing the attempt, right?), I don't know if blasting around that he seems like a piece of shit who can't change is gonna be, like, terribly conducive to actually changing someone's mind out of motivations that aren't plain shame or guilt? Ironically enough I'm writing this comment in the first place because I do think Bob of all people is capable of at least reflecting on issues like this. I'm sorry Joe and everyone else had to get caught in the crossfires of Artur's bad behavior.
Many people out there profess regret or intentions to change in order to enjoy an immediate reprieve, then have no follow-through. It's hard to say if this is because they never had the intention at all, or they were banking on people just forgetting their history once it's out of mind. It is deeply frustrating to have your trust in someone who claims they're going to change be betrayed like this. I understand having your guard up, and leaving room for people who aren't ready to forgive them yet. There is the further matter that even if someone does change, it doesn't erase what they've done before; that's still factually the case, and it's often worth it to remember the past even if someone does change for the better.
Yeah, I personally don't have any sympathy for Artur in particular (and he does seem to be a compulsive liar) but I don't think the rhetoric and tone around this is something people should be so comfortable with. It feels a bit like using the obvious moral superiority as "content" for a good video; look at this call of us telling him how to be good like us, the good guys! This kind of tactic can very easily be used against people who aren't as clearly bankrupt as Artur, and are more vulnerable as well. I know this is a tough topic for people to talk about, especially when they feel on guard from bad faith "so much for the tolerant left" criticism, but it's very, very worth people bringing up.
He's not sorry he did it, he's sorry he got caught. Until we can definitively say he's sorry he did it, there's nothing wrong with criticizing him further, as he should be ready and willing to listen to that criticism if he truly wants to change.
@@Peasham idk, ideally you'd be right, but also: he's some guy on the internet. it's not like i or really anyone else in this comment section is personally deeply invested in his wellbeing or his growth. nor *should* we be; he's a stranger to us. i think there's more than a small element of performativity to statements like this, where all of us minding our own business after learning that a racist transphobe guy made some games (and staying away from those games) is probably slightly more conducive to whatever path of self-redemption he tries to take. it obviously depends on the person etc but i guess over the years ive grown skeptical of people masking a certain performative false morality as "criticism" that usually isn't even in good faith
@@Cerise4697 And if he was just a random racist and homophobe it'd be one thing, but rememberer, he got into this situation by scamming people and saying he'd sue anyone pointing that out, and he has a sizable audience that he gained through lying to someone.
Great video but I'm going to go ahead and guess Joe's sister didn't consent to her suicide attempt being public knowledge? Unless you point out she did at any point? Don't know if she'll love knowing all your viewers know that now 🙃
We also can't just float past some of the people mentioned in this video did some stupid and awful things too. Horrovisuals is notorious for defending anti-content warning sentiments and vehemently shared that sentiment to all of his followers saying the games were more important than people's feelings. The vtuber thing at the end sucks sure, but keep in mind we're talking about someone who made a joke out of the idea of sexualizing women and the objectification and commoditization of female streamers in online spaces with hypersexualized anime avatars. She does not give a fuck and it's telling her first reaction was "oh no what will they think of ME". I hate Artur and I adore horror games, but let's not pretend he came out of nowhere. He is solely a product of a very real rot that exists in this community, and always has.
Artur attempted to profit off the worst day of a woman's life. A guy tries to normalise traumatic media in public spaces. Woman has big tiddy; realisation that her first sponsor is a shithead. One of these things is not like the others.
classic "women choosing to be sexy is oppressing themselves" moment, i can't believe you have 14 upvotes for this absolutely appalling misogyny - except i can because people just like you say this kind of thing about us online every single day
Hey, my comment is filtered out in "popular comments" view so I have to make a second comment pointing out that the way you talk about that Vtuber is appalingly offensive (certain body types are too inherently dirty for women to have, I guess), and that you have 15 upvotes is even more so. It's becoming a serious issue to me that people talk about women like this and it needs to be pointed out.
First of all, a huge thank you to BobVids for the incredible support throughout this whole ordeal. I'm truly grateful to have met him; he's genuinely a goodsoul. So, thank you so much, Bob!
I'm feeling really down and upset with myself for helping someone like Artur. It bothers me that I let myself be manipulated and deceived. I keep wondering, what could I have done differently to see through him? When he first reached out, as the video details, he completely lied about who he was and his past. I believed he was a new indie developer, and I sincerely wanted to help, because that's just who I am-I like to help people.
I won't pretend that this experience hasn't shaken my trust; it definitely has. I often help indie developers for free, spending hours on calls to offer advice and assistance wherever I can. But this has really knocked my confidence, and I'll find it hard to trust as freely as I did before.
However, I refuse to let Artur change who I am. I want to continue being the kind person I know I am, and I’ll do my best to move past this.
Lastly, if you're racist, transphobic, or hateful in any way, I have a simple message: please leave. For everyone facing racism or any form of hate, I am so, so sorry! Do what makes you happy and live your best life, because you deserve it. Love to all of you, and yeah, it’s going to take some time to process all of this!
You are an amazing example of compassion and empathy, and I wish only good things for you.
Well-said, man. You have a heart of gold. Don't let anyone take that from you.
hey, thank you for coming forward.
I'm so sorry you got caught up in this, Joe. You're an amazing person and didn't deserve to be used or lied to. ❤
Fuck yeah, Joe! You rule! I'm glad you're out there helping people, because you actually care. Not just about helping people who are just starting out but the marginalized as well!😊
A lot of people, especially on UA-cam, have a tendency to go softer on the person they’ve been criticizing after the have the opportunity to actually speak to them, and I really respect that you’re refusing to let him off the hook.
More than letting him off the hook, Bob felt very comfortable taking the piss out of him, which I'll admit was fun to watch.
Hearing this guy say something was not good enough to be in his game is comical. Also I'm from Poland. I am also gay. There is problem with discrimination here, but there is also a lot of good people. This guy is an embarrasment.
nothing quite like using your whole country as a shield to be a horrible person so you can keep perpetuating this
oh yeah poor little poland is so unaware that it's not common knowledge racism and transphobia is bad.... get the fuck out with this shit
Poland def has a lot of people who absolutely can’t stand this bigoted crap.
There is problem with discrimination in all slavic countries. I'm a gay person from ruzzia and I always try to double check devs from this Mordor hellhole. Most of them are into some reactionary nazi shit and openly homophobic. I don't want to support bigots that want to take away my human rights.
It's true that we didn't have as much problems with racism as e.g. USA, France or UK because there weren't as many people of color here in the past (in the 19th century for example). Tbh after getting independency in 1918 and before WWII our country was seen as very open one in comparison. Of course as an European country we had a lot of problems related to antisemitism, even after the German occupation. People of color started to settle here in the 50s as an element of cooperation between Poland, USSR, China and North Korea and mostly in the 90s after the fall of USSR and the opening of the market. Then there were some racism issues which weren't really covered by officials - mostly in language (like offensive terms that have entered linguistic usage) and isolated racist attacks. The effect is that many folks who were raised before 2000s had limited knowledge and views on racism. I think Artur is a perfect example of it - not really racist but with limited moral compass from lack of knowledge. Anyway, not gonna lie - we're living in 2024, there were over 2 decades of the huge expansion of the internet, when we all here had chance to learn and become better. So not really defending the guy, just wanted to share an interesting context in my opinion.
also, LGBT-free zones are no more a thing as we've changed the government few months ago. It's not a very safe country for LGBTQ+ people beside few biggest cities and our current government is centrist-right-wing something but they started cooperating with EU again so hopefully we'll see a change soon. Warsaw is for example a very friendly city and I met there a lot of LGBTQ+ people who feel good here but there is still a lot to do after the last pro-catholic antitrans pro-life trump-esque govnmt which ruined a lot of things.
I'm still bewildered and horrified over the fact he used leaked audio of a *women getting brutally assaulted in front of her infant on a 911 call* and still thinks he or his terrible game has any merit. Like WHO TF DOES THAT?!
Not to mention people willing to support it because he's "anti-woke" or sum BS.
Well, he claimed that the voice-acted set didn't feel authentic and emotive enough. So, uh, I guess an argument can be made for him going straight for genuine trauma to sell his tripe.
A _deplorable_ argument, but still....
God damn.
@@Noxedwin It's one of those weird 'you're not incorrect, but you're still wrong' moments
liking a video of a black child falling off a roof is beyond fucking horrific. seriously sickening to imagine, how can you live with yourself liking a video of a child in a life-threatening situation. i can't believe i have to live on the same planet as someone like that
They really do get off sexually to black children suffering smh. Twitter fully encourages it too.
_"How can you live with yourself liking a video [of a black child being in danger]?"_
When you think that the black child is less than human. You either like it because the child is black, and you're a racist piece of shit who gets off on seeing black people suffer; or you're _not_ racist, but you're still a psychopath because _it's still a child suffering._
Was the kid alright? Like seriously, thats messed up. I hate that people post shit like that.
Props to Joe for coming forward 👏
I am from Poland. I live in Poland. His "oh sorry I live in poor little country I no know sorry" excuse had my blood start actually fucking boiling.
Artur, wiem, że będziesz w tych komentarzach. Czy naprawdę tak bardzo nisko nas oceniasz? Oj biedna mała Polska nie wie że transfobia jest zła :((
No właśnie, mamy 2024, a nie 2007. Jprdl.
Yea that pissed me of too/Ta mnie też to wkurzyło
W pełni się zgadzam. Jego tłumaczenie jest obraźliwe dla nas wszystkich.
Zrozumiałbym jeśli miałby 14 lat, wyobrażam sobie że w gimnazjum lajkowałbym podobne tweety bo faktycznie w takim byłem środowisku... Tylko że gościu ma przynajmniej 20-parę lat, nie wierzę że można być tak nieświadomym społecznie jako dorosła osoba XD
If you live in Poland, you should already know it's a racist shithole filled with white supremacists but your biggest concern is about a made up bigotry? 😂
something seems off to me about the fact that arthur put an actual real-life 911 call of a sexual assault victim in a game and he handwaves it as "oh I just looked it up on youtube"
in all fairness it is widely available on youtube - i heard it years ago (i recognized the transcript of it shown in the last vid), it's really awful. this doesn't excuse his behaviour at all.
You have creators who find what they're looking for and don't dig too deep into it, so they use it.
Then you have "reporters" who dig so deeply into a person they find things the person themselves probably forgot about a decade ago.
There's also the assumption that easy access to something on the internet must mean it's okay to use and is not directly linked to a horrific event.
Someone found out they somehow bought a murder weapon on Etsy, once. Shit happens.
He should probably have removed the game and reworked that audio file once he found out, though.
I try my best not to swear when I'm online, but this is supremely fucked up. Joe seems like the nicest guy. I genuinely hope Artur changes, but like you said, it could be entirely fake and he's just placating.
I've lied before to protect myself. When I finally realized just how I hurt people, including my friends at the time, I felt like garbage and I vowed to never do it again. I like to believe people can change too, Bob.
sometimes a swear word is the best one to use.
Even if Artur genuinely feels bad and wants to change, there's very little reason to believe that he actually will. People don't go through movie magic change of hearts that instantly change who they are. This guy lies about everything, even completely inane shit that does literally nothing to benefit him. His word is worthless, we'll just have to wait and see if his actions do anything to fit what he says.
People can change though. It won't happen overnight, and it's more likely to happen if we handle it with care. It's unlikely to happen if we don't allow the space for people that do awful, heinous things to feel that they actually do have a road to redemption that we're rooting for them to take.
@joebrown6778 do you have a point? All you did was reword OPs comment.
@@clumsyninja925 a lot of the conversation surrounding artur has been very spiteful and angry towards him - and rightfully so, he's done despicable shit, make no mistake. but the internet has a bad habit of building up peoples' identities on the things they've done, or whatever they're known for, which kind of results in them being codified as that one thing forever. like how james somerton is known by most people as The Plagiarism Guy now.
it doesn't matter if people like artur do _want_ to change if they're simply not given that chance, because so much of the discourse surrounding them involves people spitting in their face for what they've already done. it can make them feel like they'll never be forgiven, or like they don't _want_ to associate with the people who are mad at them, and if we're not careful, it's possible they'll just double down on their old habits. hate and anger can be comfortable things to stew in, especially if they're already familiar to you. it's already so easy to fear and loathe what you don't understand, and if the unknown is openly hostile to you, it only gets easier to shrink away from it.
i'm not saying anyone needs to forgive artur or make excuses for him; if he does want to be a better person, that _will_ hinge on him putting in the effort. and it'll probably be less daunting to get started if he gets some breathing room first. let the poor sod be on his own for a bit and think about what road he wants to take without people spitting in his face every other moment
@@glassphoenix9095If he can't handle people criticizing him for things he wants to change on, something he'd have to do to himself if he really wanted to change, then he ain't changing.
Man, it really sucks that my country is shown in this light, but then again, the people here really are super intolerant for anyone that's even slightly different. Just wanted to say that there are also many good guys here, unfortunately they are not the ones in power... Thanks for the vid Bob
Good Lord, Joe sounds so... so deeply kind and empathetic.
my heart melted the moment i heard Joe speak. his voice seems to reflect a truly caring person
this is extremely disappointing to watch unfold. I feel bad for Joe getting wrapped up in all this and hope he doesn't feel less inclined to help struggling devs in the future.
I'm really glad you and Joe got a chance to really communicate to Artur just how and why his behaviour is unacceptable, and the human cost of that misanthropic charlatanism.
I would hope that Artur is able to take it to heart, deliver on those promises he made, and grow as a person in doing so.
However, I also know that people who are habitually stuck in an echo chamber of toxic ideologies are not apt to change their ways so easily.
Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.
And to top it all off, he's not even 6 ft. Damn.
for the past few years ive looked up to you as a youtuber. not only are your videos just excellently put together, you actually use it to spread kindness and the best for others while calling out those who deserved to be. i feel thats something we dont see much of these days although it really can make all the difference. great work as usual bob
A thrilling conclusion, thanks for keeping us updated Bob! I believe that people can change, no matter how horrible, but that belief is not owed and must be proven with action.
One of the worst things about this is that I really do want to believe Artur can change. I want to believe that terrible people can change. We’ll have to wait and see.
At least this brought my attention to the KPH and motivated me to though a couple of bucks their way, as I’m sure it has others. Keep fighting the good fight, bob.
Man, I really hope Joe and his sister are alright, them thoughts are hard to deal with, and honestly hope he has looked into therapy after an experience like that, hearing how he felt is just downright awful.
He defo seems like a great guy. And the indie dev scene can be hard place to get footing in speaking from experience trying to find people to work with ect can be rough, so him going out of his way just for this to all backfire is horrendous.
The Artur Saga has honestly opened my eyes to the hellscape that can exist in indie game spaces; I hope the people conned by Artur haven’t had their passion for horror games destroyed by this malicious fraudster and instead find other devs who are at least decent people who deserve the support
I wonder to what extent cultural upbringing actually explains bigotry? I'm from Poland, but I've had the privilege to be born to well-off parents who moved a lot between countries and sent me to a boarding school in England. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I ended up identifying as firmly left-wing, with ambiguously European sensibilities. I imagine I would be far less so if I had stayed in Poland and fallen in with the wrong crowd. But still, it feels weird to hear someone bring up their country of origin as an explanation(?) for why they did a racism. There has to be some deeper emotional introspection there than just "my culture made me"...
If he were trying to use a smaller, more personal circle of influences on himself growing up as an explanation, rather than a broad culture, it would be easier to swallow.
i believe people can change, but they have to want to change. i dont know if artur does. i dont know how much of what he told you and joe was genuine remorse and how much was lip service to make the problem disappear. only time will tell.
thanks for the update. another great vid.
You’re a modern day Sherlock homes old sport! Thanks for sharing your discovery and uncovering this shady and disturbing individual and bringing him to light. He won’t change, but less people will fall for his future ploys thanks to you.
Definitely a heavy watch, but I'm certainly glad Joe was able to get some type of closure after being caught up in the splash zone. Interesting to see if Artur actually follows through and grows from this.
Listening to Joe really broke my heart. Nothing but love and good vibes to him.
Also, beyond thankful to have someone like you in our community who really cares. Thank you, Bob for being one of my favorite internet people for over a decade.
Finding it funny that he’s trying to cover up his views by punching down his own country.
We’re at the center of Europe and not a deserted island.
My thoughts
Good on you for keeping on top of him.
I do also believe people deserve a second chance to improve. Actions will always speak louder than words, though, so we'll see how much he owns up to this.
Oof now am crying after that
🫂
I had to mute the video when Artur started talking to explain why he used the 911 call. And followed by Joe's genuine plea to explain why no one would ever want their call used for entertainment really hurt to hear. While I want to believe anyone can change, someone who's prime entertainment on Twitter being videos of black people being hate crimed/dying going on to using real audio of a SA strike me as someone who has a very, very long and cruel journey ahead of them for change. Poland does, in fact, have a shockingly large volume of violent Nazis in the country surrounded by an extremely Catholic community. Is that the entire country? No. Just like any other country, the majority of the people are normal, kind, empathetic people. For him to say as an adult he thought any of this was okay and blaming it on Poland is just ingenuine. Right now he's not looking to actually change, he is looking to cover up his violent racist, transphobic, misogynistic beliefs in order to still get money. At the very least I hope he never makes it in the game industry for many years to come.
insane how this hasnt blown up yet - hope the algorithm picks it up
This is journalism. Thank you for everything, Bob.
I really think some people lie as much as they can to see how much they can get away with.
Yeah, the whole 'Look, Im in Poland, so like, Im just doing as the culture demands' doesn't really explain why you then went on to lie and manipulate multiple people.
That implies a level of understanding that you are in the wrong.
So yeah, Im not holding my breath to see if he actually does what he said he''ll do
I hope Artur does change as a person. Even if he keeps making bad bad games he could make good art if he honestly tries to change. I'd rather it be because of lack of talent or developing skills. Not because of harmful ideas in his head. He could make something if he takes the time to change and grow. There is something to tap into and help the space. And if he doesn't...well, not ever horror story is fictional.
His goal is to make money from the weirdly lucrative "Horror Game Community", I don't think he has any interest in making "good" games.
12:22 An old pal of mine had a really great take on that. They said, "Fool me three times, I'll cut you!"
"Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, _also_ shame on me. Fool me three times, and I am sent to my death."
- Heavy Weapons Guy, _Poker Night at The Inventory._
I aaaaaain't havin that shit!
Fellow horror game lover here. Loved what you just said about silent hill 2 it really is more than just a game : )
Thanks for doing the right thing bobvids. I too hope Artur can change his vile ways. Like come on buddy, you don't have to be a pos like that!
here's to hoping he changes his ways
hope in one hand, horseshit in the other see which piles up quicker
I Don't think so. He had a chance to change when he became an adult. He still liked weird ass posts about people suffering..etc "I was a dumb kid" isn't really an excuse when you do something more than stupid. I mean putting someone's traumatic experience into game isn't really a dumb kid mindset. But whatever,I am way too sceptic towards him.
Love the fact that you made him donate to LGBTQ fund. All the weirdos that supported the dev because of his transphobia should know where their money have gone😂
I am Polish and I do not agree with Artur's statement that many people here have "unpleasant thoughts about people outside". Only a small group of crapheads do and we condemn that rigorously! That's disgusting Artur said something like that about his Fatherland!
True!
Oh, Bob. This video is so sad. I feel so terribly for everyone affected by this entire scam.
In my experience, people like this who promise to change, don’t
But we’ll just have to wait and see
I will give Arthur this: after seeing do many horrible apologies full of people trying to shift the blame of what they did into a vague "thing" that "happened", at the very least it was refreshing to correct himself every time he tried to say "we did" and say "I did". I hope he does reflect on this and change. I don't know that he will, but I think it would be nice if he did.
9:43 y'know when the big titted anime demon girl vtuber avatar expressed disappointment at the situation i *felt that*
(for real though all seriousness shit sucks)
You're doing good work, Bob. Thank you.
Big props to you bobvids for this little 'supernormal series', this is a huge mess that's just not worth anybody's fuckin time but im glad something good may have come out of this.
wow i love joe, poor guy. Whole situation sucks. What a good dude.
UM, I think what you meant to say was “Fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.”
Famous Dubya words.
I hope he changes for the better, that's all I can really say here. You've said everything else. I hope he changes for the sake of himself and those who may come in contact with him.
Very good video Bob! I'm so sorry for Joe... lots of love to all people who are united by horror no matter who they are, except racist, homophobic, transphobic people...!
I just wanna say it's a real horror how this person can laugh about his lies... giving me goosebumps and I just wanna vomit.
It's good for you to bring all of this to light, although I think the entire games industry is a cesspool.
I am SHOCKED, just speechless... BTW great video Bob!❤️🏳️🌈
Having lived in Poland as a kid… yeah. It’s really bad to be non-white or gay in that country, so to a degree I understand being born and raised in that environment and not questioning that mindset. However, that’s not an excuse for your behavior, it’s an explanation. You need to do the other half of that and improve yourself, and if you’re not willing to do that… that explanation becomes just another excuse that the rest of us should completely ignore.
👏🏼
Thanks again, Bob. What a shame for Joe.
That deleted comment is hilarious. The 13 year old codtuber energy is strong in that one.
If Artur Łączkowski had just recognized the awful nature of his hateful actions and resolved to change, all of this could have been avoided. A lot of people are unconsciously bigoted or hateful, so Artur's situation isn't really abnormal or irredeemable. The staunch refusal of Artur and bigots like him to become better people is mind boggling. I don't understand how people can admit to being pieces of shit and be proud about it.
I really do want Artur to improve himself, to redeem himself, to be better. The Discord call gives me a bit of hope (funny enough, especially the part where he admitted he was shorter than 6ft). Please do keep us updated
Wait, the actual audio itself was from the real 911 call? I thought that whole thing with that was just about using exact dialogue from a real call for a recreation. I mean, both would have been incredibly shitty, but jesus christ, I was happier when I misunderstood that one. Fuck that shit, seriously.
That ending P.S. ... Ouch...
Incredible right, how he can still laugh about his lies and is so chilled? I‘m getting aggressions!!
I can't believe he's not 6ft.
Hey Bob. I have been a fan since the subtitled homecoming lets play. Thank you for videos. I just wanted to say as much as I myself believe being extra stern with these transphobes, racist, bigots online I can’t say I was comfortable with the tone at the end of the video. you have much bigger perspective about this whole situation than us so you have your reasons to find his apologies insincere. Hell even I am not sure he deserves a second chance. That being said I consider his apology a positive. Being skeptical about his sincerity is where I would end things. You can still be angry for all the fucked up things he has done and I honestly am angry as well but if we are going to say “ok show it then” to him, I am not comfortable starting it with angry shouts. Or I am still naive I don’t know.
yeah, Artur has zero integrity and finding out more about him is certainly fascinating content but I felt a bit weirded out by the tone of the video. not for Artur's sake, i just don't find "defeating the Bad Guys" to be a great atmosphere to be in
I can't describe how bad it feels to be an indie horror developer who tries to do things right and works as hard as possible on their projects, and see that there are people like Arthur with more visibility. It really makes me feel awful, lol.
Always the wrong people get the visibility and hype sadly… he not deserve this succes with supernormal and supernatural
bro could've literally just had the voice actor do another take instead of seeking out a person's real life trauma. Joe seems like a genuinely nice guy.
3:05 when I hear things like this, I just can't help seeing Dennis say "why don't we buy THREE WEEKS of a timeshare"
I honestly hope you continue to find and expose people like Artur for their horrendous actions. It's an ocean of potential content out there.
who had money on Arthur being a little birthday boy?
That stuff about Poland and its zones? Yeah I don't need to look it up, I've heard about it directly from a few polish people over Discord. It's messed up.
In the guy's mildest defence, I think his regret over using the real 911 call sounded genuine and real, and the way he talked seemed to indicate making some kind of meaningful change in attitude-- he just talked with a flattened affect and in a second language, so him trying to think up the right words could come off as seeming suspect.
I mean-- hopefully.
Yeah the problem is that...well he has lied multiple times before and trusting someone who says they want to make amends gets harder and harder the longer they have lied.
@@fireair100 "You see, his real crime was being a human."
Aside from the actual video, I'd like to commend the lyrics from GOLIATH by WOODKID.
im from poland he shouldnt excuse transphobia and racism based on a country you live in yes back when i was young i would tend to be transphobic and racist but never because of living in poland i blame my parents (who arent from the same country as me i was just born in poland) for that but now im an ally for everyone man artur sucks
Fair play Bob and Joe ofc
Artur feels like a single parent kid whose parent didn't put attention to him very much
How much more horrible stuff can this one guy do wth
Do you think his mother's really proud of him
Or was that the other serial liar? xD
@@nicreven You mean to tell us that Artur was the first Pole to develop horror games?!
*don't trust him*
Round two baby, let's fucking GO
I'm crying soo hard, thank you bob i really think videos like this one make a difference. I'm very touched and emotionnal that people like you and Joe exist.
You managed to not keep quiet in face of violence and belitteling and i look up to you thank you Bob and Joe.
I'm gonna wipe my tears i can't see my screen
You are really sweet people and i really wish you the best.
I hope Arthur was genuine in his voice call, he seemed upfront but I'm not counting on it. He's an asshole, but if he wants to be, he seems smart enough to become a better person
I am sure he is developing his games in some middle of nowhere bumfuck village near Wąchock. As someone who lives in one of bigger Polish cities (Wroclaw) I am sure he is not one of big city developers, because being pro LGBTQ here is not that uncommon.
In fact that this is not the first time that indie game dev uses real 911 call for the horror game
Puppet combo Dev uses Ruth Price Call 911 for the scream sound effects in nun massacre
btw i would like to ask, since she used the phone call for the scream sound effects is it worse or better ? I'm just unsure.
@@cappedminer369 it depends on you because its loud and distorted
@@soblake3326 I never played it, though I think just using a specific noise is less hurtful than what happened in cold world.
Do we have an update on this?
I'd be curious to see if Artur does actually want to change down the line. I've seen folks do a heel-turn before, so its not impossible.
But it's good you're not giving him the benefit of doubt.
Its so easy saying you can change as person, but the actuality of doing it is long and bloody hard, and lots of folks balk the moment they get the first sign of pushback.
It's something you have to truly, deeply want and work for despite if no one believes you.
You know, I don't think the folks saying they're gonna buy 5 copies of a game because the creator(s) are garbage human beings are actually going to do it. I doubt they'll even buy a single copy. It's easy, borderline effortless to say that sort of thing and then hear all the other garbage humans agree with you and metaphorically slap you on the back for "sticking it to the libs" and whatnot. These people, I'd bet, by and large aren't even willing to support their own disgusting beliefs.
Aaaaaand Twitter likes are now ALL private.
Hi, sorry this is off topic. but I watched both Voidburger playtrough's of SH: The short message. And am now watching a VOD of you two theorizing about it.
I was wondering, have you come up with a solid theory that explains everything?
I've been digging into it for a weak now, and I think I actually figured it out.
It's really hard to find people interested in it. . My problem is that I really think the common consensus on the game is wrong. Most people get the main plot but there is a lot more if you want to explain most of the stuff that seem out of place at first.
Like I wanna be mad about you not giving him the chance to actually show he's making amends, before calling him a liar again. But then at the end, finding out he's not actually 6foot, I mean dude, screw this guy! 😆HOW COULD HE!
Wish he does put in the work to fix this mess. It wouldn't take much, not as much as some. He's already done the hardest part by admitting he lied, now all he has to do is not lie again. But if he screws it up this time, he's just going ruin the rest of his life as being the guy who can't keep his word.
amazingly I come from a similar small country that was also very much similar but once i got access to more diverse books AND Internet i was able to recognise things and unlearn so much so uh the comment about being from Poland etc is such a cop out. He clearly has access to internet and other point of views and like...not an excuse man.
A man goes out of his way to deny being 6 foot, there's some amount of credibility on the table there
Will you be releasing the full call in the future?
Artur ain’t changing. He’s just a slimy coward who thinks he can fool you.
True. He is laughing about his lies and his behavior… that says everything.
YEAAAA 2.0
Its probably just a nitpick but I hate how pronounced his ums are, it feels like its almost purposesfully annoying but its probably just language, but also maybe not
"maybe you're right of the things that I actually did"
Maybe
come on artur is not gonna change because some dude told him he should lol and of course he blamed being polish on his racism, I'm polish and not any of the things he is, see? it's easy
omg dude i actually have a little bit of context for that video of the kid falling
that tweet... it's from a brazilian shitpost account😭 a very famous one
i don't think they posted the video out of malice and i think the kid is fine
This comment might get deleted or whatnot and I don't expect most of Bob's audience to agree but I am kind of weirded out by the practice of constantly saying you'd like someone to change while publicly telling everyone that you don't believe they're capable of it and that they will continue to lie about their progress.
This isn't really about Artur, I don't give a wet fart about the guy nor should I care about some dude who seems to be making some of the worst cruft on the Steam horror page, but it's just this tendency I see not just in Bob but in a lot of folks on the left or who purport to believe in restorative justice. It is true, as a few commenters have pointed out, that Artur seems at least regretful of putting the 911 call in his game, and from the little Bob has shown us I don't find much reason to believe OR disbelieve him either way when he says he thinks it was a stupid decision. I did watch Bob's previous video on the guy and was obviously appalled, and I could believe that any behind-the-scenes interactions with Artur might have cemented Bob's conviction that the dude is incapable of change, but barring the possibility that there's stuff Bob just can't show us out of a respect for privacy (which: I assume Joe and/or his sister were OK about publicizing the attempt, right?), I don't know if blasting around that he seems like a piece of shit who can't change is gonna be, like, terribly conducive to actually changing someone's mind out of motivations that aren't plain shame or guilt?
Ironically enough I'm writing this comment in the first place because I do think Bob of all people is capable of at least reflecting on issues like this. I'm sorry Joe and everyone else had to get caught in the crossfires of Artur's bad behavior.
Many people out there profess regret or intentions to change in order to enjoy an immediate reprieve, then have no follow-through. It's hard to say if this is because they never had the intention at all, or they were banking on people just forgetting their history once it's out of mind. It is deeply frustrating to have your trust in someone who claims they're going to change be betrayed like this. I understand having your guard up, and leaving room for people who aren't ready to forgive them yet.
There is the further matter that even if someone does change, it doesn't erase what they've done before; that's still factually the case, and it's often worth it to remember the past even if someone does change for the better.
Yeah, I personally don't have any sympathy for Artur in particular (and he does seem to be a compulsive liar) but I don't think the rhetoric and tone around this is something people should be so comfortable with. It feels a bit like using the obvious moral superiority as "content" for a good video; look at this call of us telling him how to be good like us, the good guys! This kind of tactic can very easily be used against people who aren't as clearly bankrupt as Artur, and are more vulnerable as well. I know this is a tough topic for people to talk about, especially when they feel on guard from bad faith "so much for the tolerant left" criticism, but it's very, very worth people bringing up.
He's not sorry he did it, he's sorry he got caught. Until we can definitively say he's sorry he did it, there's nothing wrong with criticizing him further, as he should be ready and willing to listen to that criticism if he truly wants to change.
@@Peasham idk, ideally you'd be right, but also: he's some guy on the internet. it's not like i or really anyone else in this comment section is personally deeply invested in his wellbeing or his growth. nor *should* we be; he's a stranger to us. i think there's more than a small element of performativity to statements like this, where all of us minding our own business after learning that a racist transphobe guy made some games (and staying away from those games) is probably slightly more conducive to whatever path of self-redemption he tries to take. it obviously depends on the person etc but i guess over the years ive grown skeptical of people masking a certain performative false morality as "criticism" that usually isn't even in good faith
@@Cerise4697 And if he was just a random racist and homophobe it'd be one thing, but rememberer, he got into this situation by scamming people and saying he'd sue anyone pointing that out, and he has a sizable audience that he gained through lying to someone.
I can’t believe this absolute graveyard of a channel has the nerve to criticize CinemaSins
got any idea why this channel died?
Cope
Great video but I'm going to go ahead and guess Joe's sister didn't consent to her suicide attempt being public knowledge? Unless you point out she did at any point? Don't know if she'll love knowing all your viewers know that now 🙃
People never change, not really
We also can't just float past some of the people mentioned in this video did some stupid and awful things too.
Horrovisuals is notorious for defending anti-content warning sentiments and vehemently shared that sentiment to all of his followers saying the games were more important than people's feelings.
The vtuber thing at the end sucks sure, but keep in mind we're talking about someone who made a joke out of the idea of sexualizing women and the objectification and commoditization of female streamers in online spaces with hypersexualized anime avatars. She does not give a fuck and it's telling her first reaction was "oh no what will they think of ME".
I hate Artur and I adore horror games, but let's not pretend he came out of nowhere. He is solely a product of a very real rot that exists in this community, and always has.
you could have just said nothing about the vtuber
The VTuber literally did nothing wrong. Who cares if she has breasts?
Artur attempted to profit off the worst day of a woman's life.
A guy tries to normalise traumatic media in public spaces.
Woman has big tiddy; realisation that her first sponsor is a shithead.
One of these things is not like the others.
classic "women choosing to be sexy is oppressing themselves" moment, i can't believe you have 14 upvotes for this absolutely appalling misogyny - except i can because people just like you say this kind of thing about us online every single day
Hey, my comment is filtered out in "popular comments" view so I have to make a second comment pointing out that the way you talk about that Vtuber is appalingly offensive (certain body types are too inherently dirty for women to have, I guess), and that you have 15 upvotes is even more so. It's becoming a serious issue to me that people talk about women like this and it needs to be pointed out.
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