Also, fun fact, playing the violin or another string instrument with no bow is called pizicatto and has been utilized in music for centuries. Any proficient violinist can easily pluck out many different tunes and it's sometimes used to practice timing with beginners. Source: I've played the violin for 15 years and taught others. 🙄
@@riddlemethis3565 i mean, obviously only one person in the world can play the violin for 15 *and* know what pizicatto is. that's like, one of newton's laws or something
Forine It was an innocent question with some reasoning behind it. Don’t be rude. It’s possible they’re different people which is why they’re asking if , not claiming, this is true.
The proof that its not "Everything wrong with" but instead "Everything I noticed and wrote down when watching the movie getting pissdrunk for the first time"
@@joeysung311 This video is to take the piss out of cinemasins. It makes a very clear distinction between what is intended purely as a joke and what is a legitimate criticism in the tone of Bob's voice and the way he edits it. Cinemasins edits and explains every single joke or notjoke exactly the same way.
If you reply to my reply I will reply to your reply of my reply, and then go on to possibly reply to the possible reply of my reply to your reply of my first reply. It's all up to you RocketJump, if you want an extra subscriber in these rough times, it might be the smartest decision you've ever made.
The “Jude Law didn’t need introducing as Watson bc he’s on the poster” is hilarious, I was 12 when I saw this film in cinemas and had no idea who RDJ or Jude Law were and would have absolutely been thoroughly confused without a proper, concise introduction.
Right? And it's not even about age. Some people are just not that familiar with Sherlock Holmes and while they might have heard of him they still have no idea that there's another major character accompanying him
I never watch trailers before I see movies and I hate the logic of "You should already know things about the movie before you watch it, therefore they shouldn't explain things in the movie" Like ??? Huh ??? Is this a piece of entertainment or a homework assignment.
"Are you really complaining that Sherlock Holmes, fucking Sherlock Holmes, is being observant right now?" Honestly I couldnt stop laughing at that point
9:32 That's also Tower Bridge, not London Bridge. (London Bridge is an arch bridge with nothing on top, whereas Tower Bridge is a drawbridge, with giant towers!!! They couldn't be more different from each other.)
Chris Cole Not to mention that “sins” are used in the theology of Abrahamic religions as essentially a tallied score of exactly how worthy you are of burning in a lake of fire for all eternity, subjected to ceaseless torture from hideous monsters that the human mind can barely comprehend. I’d say that’s pretty definitively negative.
I don't think they fought over the definition of the word "sin". This guy argue that the definision of the word "sin" isn't flexible enough not what a sin is. You know what... I'm too tired to do this. If you don't get what he ment by that then too bad for you...
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick There's no mention of torture by hideous monsters. That's kind of a weird medieval invention from what I can tell. And biblically speaking, even one sin separates you from God. This is why Jesus came as the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf.
Additional sin-sin: Pizzicato is a technique for playing a string instrument by plucking the strings with one's fingers, first described in 1602. So...No. You don't need a bow to play a violin and classical performers have been playing violins without bows for HUNDREDS of years. Sorry, Cinema Sins...try again. Source: 14 years of classical violin training.
Howie J I play the cello. I learned pizzicato in my very first lesson, long before I learned how to even hold the bow. It's not exactly an obscure technique.
George Weber my point was it’s rare that someone has any experience with string instruments not the difficulty of pizzicato- so you really didn’t contradict my point
Then you may as well direct that same point at every instance in this video where CS made a bad joke based on bad (re: lack of) research, which is the original criticism.
Wilfred Ho yea, I would say that if outside research is necessary the movie did something wrong. However, many of the sins are not necessary to research. Often you can just assume the movie did it right, or at least just accept the movie’s portrayal of situations we aren’t knowledgeable about. I’m just saying that CS is picky and has useless nitpicks, but that they are right about not researching stuff. In this scenario it is odd to see someone pluck a violin- it is a fair question to wonder why you wouldn’t use a bow. Some of CS sins are worse, but this one is a fair question in my opinion.
1:15 This is legitimately the most confusing part of CinemaSins to me. Regardless of the content, why is that timer even there? It'd be better if it was timestamps of the movie itself.
acutally no i am wathing a cinemasins video rn and the sin timer is at 00:00:26 but video timer is at 0:34 also there was the everythink wrong eith the entire harry potter franchise video that was over 1h
@@uknownada ALSO the end there is almost always an edit in the end and that can be really long depending on the film the edit does not count for sin timer
Hey Bob, I recently made a video about CinemaSins and the Kong: Skull Island situation, and used a short part of this Sherlock Holmes video of yours in it, as I think you made some great points here. I referenced your channel of course, and I hope this is alright with you. All the best.
The "How did you see that?" "Because I was looking for it," exchange is also a famous quote from the Sherlock Holmes stories by Doyle. The Guy Ritchie films are full of quotes from the original books. Also, him noticing that "That's the Irene I knew" IS in fact indicating that she's returned to a life of crime, which she'd given up to get married-again, right out of the book. She tells Holmes in the previous scene that she's now divorced and he's noting that she's back to how he remembered her. Watson is established as being a spiritualist (much like Doyle himself) in the books as a counterpoint to Holmes's rationalist approach. These guys know nothing about the story they're critiquing. Oh, and fun fact: the man Holmes is boxing in this movie (credited as "McMurdo") is actually the same guy he's speaking with in the quote from The Sign of Four that you used, where he's initially unwilling to let Holmes into a house he's guarding until Holmes reminds him that he's the man who once kicked his ass in an amateur boxing match.
>"How did you see that?" "Because I was looking for it," It also, in two sentences, is a great illustration of the difference between Holmes and Watson. Holmes is observant enough to think about there might be an invisible weapon, maybe from the way that Blackwood was just standing there, while Watson is the one ready to rush to the girl's defense and be all brave and all that. It's why they make such a good team and (partly) why Watson marrying and moving out scares Holmes so much and is the major theme of the film and oh my god I'm getting mad at cinemasins again
As someone who used to enjoy CinemaSins, a major thank you for making this video. The final straw for me was when they criticized James Gunn in his recent controversy involving Disney. CinemaSins has made some VERY questionable "jokes" in the past, including making light of Chris Brown physically beating Rihanna. So they have very little room to claim others are incapable of changing their views on certain subjects, and learning to abstain from problematic behavior. James Gunn, at the very least, has apologized for his remarks (afaik). CinemaSins is purely brainless, and if I want comical movie commentary, there are infinitely better sources for it. You've earned a subscriber, friend.
Fun fact: the last witch trial in Britian happened in 1944, and there were trials for it in the 1890s, so it could absolutely happen that someone be sentenced for black magic
I remember when CinemaSins first started and the videos were 2 to 3 minutes long and they weren't quite so bad but now they've bloated into 20 minute nitpick and shitty jokeathons
+Houston Bass Yeah! I remember when CS was good like when they did their 1st video of EWW Amazing Spider-Man and there were 3 separate joke sins about Bing or that classic sin about Uncle Ben unsolving a Rubik's cube, a personal favourite it really made a strong comment on the quality of the film. Oh how about in that video when they made that lap-dance sin, what a great choice!... Now you see what that was would be called satire, the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticise people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues, such as what CinemaSins actually is, a fact that many people seem to just straight-up not realise or ignore. CS is a satire of movie reviews as a whole, the entire concept is a comedy channel that focuses on people that make stupid, absurd commentary about movies and film and satirising them by using a character that embellishes and exaggerates that act to such an extreme manner that people constantly complain and whine about how wrong they are and how they're so stupid for not doing research. Honestly all videos like this go to prove is how effective CS really are and what a great job they are doing at their videos. Thanks, +Shesellssheshells you unaware, ignorant, ridiculous, cotton-headed, ninny-moggin.
@@DaveyDDial1 you kind be wrong tho. if CS were only a satire of bad critics it would be fine but they are not. their video are not meta. I agree that a lot of the joke are exaggerated, made up or self refereed. but the lake of research and contexte is not a positive. their goal is to make people critical of the movies, not of themselves in my opinion. and they make a bad job at it.
I didn't mind CinemaSins until I listened to their podcast and realised how seriously they take what they're doing, one of the hosts in particular has a real snooty attitude, now I can't listen to either without cringing.
thank god someone called them out on their bull shit, I've watched a few of their videos and more then half of the things that don't understand are literally explained at some point or another or are just blatantly obvious, they just use these things to get a higher number on their idiotic sin counter
@@spartanretro yes but the film is. Pointing oui flaws of a film is a smart and good idea that they respected at the beginning. But some film are just flawless so they create Sins from scratch which is wrong in my opinion. Is like the firefire who stare to long at the flame and becomes an arsonist.
"That's the Irene I know" confusion from cinemasins was the most frustrating thing I heard in their video. Thank you for pointing out how obvious it was!
im really late to the comments but im 99% sure that cinemasins made fun of all of sherlock’s autistic-coded characteristics which is honestly on-brand for them considering the whole “cancer awareness month puts manly men in pink” joke
Sherlock Holmes isn’t coded autistic, he’s hopelessly addicted to cocaine which gives him those traits He’s not neurodivergent (in that way at least) he’s a massive junkie Edit: on second thought (with the particular case of the movie) yeah I can see him being autistic in that… as well as being a junkie
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC Ik this is old, but Sherlock has always been autistic coded, and sometimes he can be interpreted as adhd coded. Him having a cocaine addiction is likely him trying to self medicate, whether he realizes that or not. Autistic people, as well as disabled people in general, are at risk for developing addictions because of systemic ableism barring them access to proper accommodations and treatment. Addiction is also a disability btw.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING MINDFUL OF WHO SHERLOCK IS MENTALLY POINTING OUT HIM HAVING A SENSORY OVERLOAD MADE ME SO HAPPY BC MOST PEOPLE DONT CALL IT THAT AND JUST GO "oh its too loud in this room" WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM SENSORY OVERLOAD
tbh this movie has probably the best depiction of what sensory overload actually feels like that i've seen in a movie or show. a point that people tend to not get is that it's not just "too loud", it's the inability to tune out background activity. it's trying to pay attention to your conversation when you can't tune out the conversation next to you. It's noticing every laugh, every movement, how your clothes rub against your skin, the flickering of a light, the temperature of a room all at once and it's so overwhelming you can't even hear yourself think.
I love how the director complimenting RDJ's English accent went from "it's pretty good" to "it's flawless, best I have ever heard, maybe the only good one there is" in the span of like a few seconds.
My dad somehow missed all the promotional material for BvS when we went to see it in theaters, and he had no idea who Wonder Woman was until she pulled out her lasso of truth. Being that he was used to the Linda Carter look and not familiar with her origins or given name this is understandable. That was my lesson in why character introductions are actually needed in stories.
Quick point about the shipyard fight that makes it even worse: Not only did Holmes & Watson's fight basically destroy a shipyard and cause thousands of pounds in damage, it also resulted in the premature launching and subsequent sinking of a ship into the River Thames, the most heavily trafficked body of water in the world then and now, so it's a miracle they didn't damage or sink any other ships that may have been sailing by. Further, one can tell by the half-complete ship's iron hull and distinctive ram bow that this wasn't just any ship they sank, it was a warship. So not only did Holmes and Watson just cause tens of thousands of pounds in damages and destroy months of work, they're also now in deep shit with the British Royal Navy.
Great vid. One note: In bare knuckle boxing, slapping your opponent is not mockery. The human head is almost literally skin and bone, so punching someone in the head with your bare fist is a good way to break your hand. Thus, slaps and palm strikes are preferable over knuckle to skull contact since our palms are padded and what gets KOs is the force more than the hardness of the object striking you.
its litt you get clocked hard enough almost anywhere in the skull and you’ll get knocked out. Also your fist and your hand weigh the same. Also it’s more about the force of the object than the hardness.
The fist is heavier and more powerful, but hands are full of delicate small bones. Punching hard stuff improperly is a good way to get rid of your ability to fight completely, no matter how strong you are.
I really feel like Cinemasins has become a strong example of the belief that if someone has to state their work is satire, then it wasn't very good satire. The sins inbetween the jokey jokes sound like legitimate criticism, and are not easy to deduce as another joke. But then there is the fact that they made many comments about the videos not being serious, and that's how many fans even know it's all one big comedy series. So then they go into the video knowing it's satire. And then when people take it seriously, or are trying to point out that it's just not very good satire, the fans say it's all on them for missing the obvious comedy. But it's not always obvious, and it's definitely not always funny. I like Cinemasins, but I have yet to find any legitimately good defense made by fans in regards to these videos. And yet they have the gall to say you're taking this too seriously. Like someone balls-deep in the fandom like they are might not be the most unbiased opinion on Cinemasins.
Some asshole makes a video series entirely about making nitpicky comments about movies. Some dude decides to take it all as legit criticisms and makes a video saying how wrong they are. This is literaly only a step or 2 away from being argueing with trolls. Cinemasins is great when you realise its all a joke and not all jokes are funny for all people.
In order to get a "joke", Cinemasins takes each movie apart and treating each scene and moment as if it exists in its own space. He's essentially making things up. For comedy to work, there needs to be some element of truth. Good satire makes you think, highlights the absurd, can evoke change, and is always clearly satire.
I stopped watching cinemasins probably three years ago... they used to make short 3 to 5 min videos which had genuine plot holes that were pointed out but now it is just negative and stupid...
Dark Knight he wishes he was a writer and he was in Hollywood, rich, and had enough money to fill a swimming pool. so he's jealous, which leads to his ignorance and stupidity.
+Brett DuVale Indeed, a real catharsis for having watched some of those maddeningly stupid and thoughtless riff-fests. Like Mystery Science Theater if it had a bitchy attitude, and a lobotomy.
One of the biggest departures from the source material was the hate-hate relationship between Watson's wife to be/wife and Holmes. In the books they got along quite well and she would often encourage Watson to accompany Holmes on his investigations.
8:52 Punching wrong is a great way to break your knuckles. In barekuckle boxing, it would actually be a bad idea to always punch, all the time. While I agree that the applause is to frustrate his opponent and goad him into fighting poorly, many of the slaps are less to aggravate, and more to try to trauma his opponents various different nerve clusters, and try to stun him. Holmes has no problem with a balled-fist punch later in the bout, but it's less damaging and risky to Holmes to make liberal use of elbow strikes, palm strikes, and slaps or chops to sensitive places, as much as is practical. As you rightly point out, Holmes is an avid student of anatomy, and he sees no reason to risk breaking his knuckles, some of the softest bones in the human body, on strikes that ultimately won't do much damage to his opponent, like the forehead, when the mandible, for example, is a far better target. If you want to box his ears and disorient him, a punch would actually apply less force and be less effective than open handed slap. Boxing fans often wax romantically about how it is a "science", and Holmes is the quintessential scientist. Of course every strike is going to be a calculation, "How can I hit something soft of yours with something hard of mine?"
I like cinema sins, but I really don't like how they take scenes out of context or purposefully misunderstand what's happening in order to force in a cheap "sin." Great video.
@@didac3859 I can't speak for Aussie Ducky but in my case: The stupid jokes and when they trash a movie I absolutely hate. And they do have some good points sometimes
@@empressfreya9872 You could also watch a real review of a movie, especially a bad one and they'll still trash it while not having good points sometimes, but all the time.
@@empressfreya9872 There are plenty reviews that are funny. Also honestly I don't find cinemasins in the slightest bit funny whatsoever. I find the guy extremely annoying and I just think he's being a huge dickhead with no passion.
10:39 Another mistake with cinemasins video that bobsvids didn't mention: This movie is set in the 19th century (and the very end of the 19th century at that), not the 18th, and the London police force didn't even exist in the 18th century as it wasn't invented until the 1820s. The guys who run cinemasins are such idiots and their "film criticism"/poor attempts at humour are so inconsistent that I can't even tell if this mistake is intentional or not
7:00 Another note about this sin: Mary says right after his observations about Watson that it isn’t really fair because *Holmes already knows Watson* and that he should try it on a stranger, such as herself. The film, quite literally, points out what he considers a “sin”. But does take it out? Nope, because that would require going back after watching the next 10 seconds of movie and editing his script
Another thing about 3:30 - in actual fact, lots and lots of people will watch this movie without seeing the poster, trailer, or DVD cover. Lots of people decide which movies to see in theaters by checking the titles of currently playing movies and seeing if any of them sound interesting (and maybe glancing at its Rotten Tomatoes score). Lots of people go to see movies that their friends/spouses/family members pick out without themselves knowing anything about the film beforehand. When this movie inevitably ends up on Cable TV, lots of people will see it because they saw "Sherlock Holmes" while scrolling through the channel guide and decided to check it out. The bottom line is that assuming that the audience knows absolutely nothing about your movie beforehand is good filmmaking practice, because if your movies is successful then lots of people *will* see it without knowing anything about it beforehand.
cinemasins was pretty funny when they started and all their videos only lasted for 5 minutes, once they started nitpicking the smallest shit for 20 minutes it got old fast and very annoying, i havent even subscriped them any more
I didn't try watching their vids until recently, starting with Pacific Rim and Wonder Woman. Couldn't get 3 minutes into either because I didn't get why most of what he was whining about was bad.
Two things - 1) I absolutely love this video! It is great to see someone critique cinemasins. You really summarised how I often feel. 2) One of the sins is about London geography - I understand that the London Bridge shot is planting for later pay-off but to go via the river (even without crossing it) which is significantly further south and literally the opposite direction to reach pentonville prison is still illogical. I live in London and have studied the history of it. Even in a late 1800s to pre WW1 era, the roads still have existed. It is, I believe, simply a case of a film wanting the iconic landmark and set up more than perfect accuracy, which is fine but I thought I would say. While your criticism of their sin stands, the point that their route would still make no sense is actually valid based on London's geography. I hope you aren't offended.
SNail Man what’s so different about them? They cater to the same groups of people. Not all of tumblr is social justice, a lot of people post their art or photography as well.
I had never fully realized how harmful and toxic Cinema Sins’ videos were before encountering your channel. While I always took their videos with a grain of salt and got some level of enjoyment out of them if only for them occasionally having a funny bit of commentary regarding a movie I’d seen and enjoyed (poking fun at it, essentially) I never considered what kind of impact their inaccurate criticisms could have on their typical demographic. Thank you for opening my eyes to this and for your detailed and thoughtful critiques of their videos, and their entire channel as a whole.
Imagine some dudebro sitting in the cinema spending most of the time on his phone but paying just enough attention to make "witty" MST3k comments out loud as if that shit wasn't the most annoying thing to listen to. Cinemasins is the youtube embodiment of that guy.
+Gnome de Plume On their Twitter, CS retweeted some guy who posted that both he and someone else were yelling CS-style snarks at the stage during a play. Not funny, just rude and distracting for the actors.
+Gnome de Plume just because you personally dont enjoy something doesnt mean its sh*t. if the majority of their 5.5miĺlion subscribers hated the way they did things they might change, they might not. comedy is completely subjective and just because the reddit circlejerk is anti cinemasins at the moment, doesnt represent even 1% of their viewers.
Except he's doing it in a channel that's clearly there for people who want to hear that. It's not like you go online and you're forced to watch one of his videos. You now have the knowledge of what they offer. Don't watch them.
+Yuki Ahmed the way CinemaSIns does their videos requires very little actual effort from what i can tell. the only actual work the guy does is selecting the clips from the movies to include in the video, some mild audio mixing, and sometimes he has to make a PNG of an arrow or a circle appear to highlight a detail. very little work required
Thank you for opening my eyes to this. I often put cinema sins on in the background and although I've never just blindly accepted their criticisms I hadn't realised just how cynical, manipulative a cash grab it really was until now.
+Jack Tilley uhhh, no. they've just gotten lazy. their videos used to bring light to actual problems. now they just complain about random shit. every video they make now sins the fact that movies open up with logos. it's just lazy and anyone who says differently is ignorant.
Thats such a "defending the channel i like" cliche and a "your wrong" cliche and a "your not getting it" cliche so my final thought on this is that is is an ex machina. This is sarcasm if you dont know.
+Saint Solitaire i recommend watching the man from uncle, too, if you havent already. same director. just rewatched it last night. really love that movie
15:38 Also, 2 other *very* long-term effects of the Civil War: "In 1864, the Navy had 51,500 men in uniform, and almost 700 ships and about 60 monitor-type coastal ironclads which made the U.S. Navy the second largest in the world after the Royal Navy. By 1880 the Navy only had 48 ships in commission, 6,000 men, and the ships and shore facilities were decrepit but Congress saw no need to spend money to improve them. The Navy was unprepared to fight a major maritime war before 1897." And.... During the Civil War, a single Confederate commerce raider, CSS Alabama, "damaged Union merchant shipping around the world. The Confederate cruiser claimed 65 prizes valued at nearly $6,000,000 (approximately $94,000,000 in today's dollars)" Other Confederate raiders would destroy some 135 more prizes, and driving many hundreds more to be sold into foreign hands, devastating the US merchant fleet such that it would not recover until World War I.
Thank you for this, I really dont get the love for these things, I remember flipping out during everything wrong with age of ultron when they sinned it for "I guess captain america can telepathically call his shield back to him?" when he was saving the woman on the bridge in the 3rd act WHEN IT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN AT THE FIRST 5 MINS OF THE MOVIE HE HAS MAGNETS ON HIS SLEEVE THAT STARK HAS DESIGNED FOR HIM! this is the type of careless shitty jokes seen in all their vids
+Shesellssheshells I would LOVE to see you take down their video on Labyrinth, particularly because one of the first shitty jokes they make is about not being able to find Jennifer Connely "hot" because she's 14.
I have genuinly smiled, chuckled and outright laughed my ass off in your videos dissecting and debunking cinemasins videos then on any of their videos. I am so glad I found your channel.
18:25 The whole history lesson about engagement rings here is maddening. Cinema Sins waited until the fucking end of the movie to try doing actual research.
as a cinemasins fan i whuld argue that the main goul(grammar go byebye) of the chanel is not to give actual quality critique. like i migh be wrong but at least when I whatch ther videos I go expecting reddit level jokes and out of this whord nitpicking never an acutal video to tell me if the movie is good
15:14 also in the occult a symbol of good is traditionally shown upright and a symbol of evil is traditionally used upside-down such as pentagrams and crosses. They make it a point to explain that Standish and the rest of the order use magic for good and what is commonly referred to as "white magic" and Blackwood uses "black magic" for evil.
As far as accents go, i'll trust the Brit to inform me on British accents, sort of like how people from Boston complained about the accents in the Departed.
Nice deconstruction! I love it when people get serious about their research. Thanks for pointing out the pentagram thing too, a lot of people seem to think it only has one meaning/orientation.
He says "do some goddamn research", but then he has a research fail of his own. CS "Sinned" the fact that Blackwood was convicted of using black magic, wondering if society was really that backwards. In fact, it was not. By the time period of the movie, the only law in England regarding black magic was that you can be convicted of fraud for pretending to practice it. He could still be hung for murdering people, but the Sin about him being convicted of being a magician is correct.
13:09 Oh, the honesty of this statement is so revealing. Yes, they were probably joking about the cocaine (I assume) but they were obviously completely honest about the fact hat their attention had slipped. Cinema Sins should use that line as a caveat to every complaint they've ever made... It would explain so much.
I love and adore you for doing this. I despise everything about CinemaSins and their lazy jokeyjoke nonsense I see shared every day by what I can only assume are erstwhile good and worthwhile people. Now, off to your channel to see if you do any more of those. I might as well subscribe while I'm at it. Again, hugs and kisses to you forever for this.
Hi, while it's true that some of cinemasins' jokes really are less funny if you have a good understanding of the movie, most of the factual basis of the joke is justifiably irrelevant... such as how ridiculous it is that a reclusive agoraphobic investigator is in some sort of street boxing match. Yes, sherlock boxing is canon, but that really doesn't matter here.
He is willing to leave the home for investigations and dangerous shenanigans; how is boxing out of character? He just doesn't like leaving with purpose, and he doesn't like interacting with others unless he knows he can get something worthwhile out of them.
After six years, this video remains fantastic as it truly encapsulates why Cinemasins' videos are bottom-of-the-barrel in quality and entertainment value. Despite what their most fervent fans and apologists claim, Cinemasins' videos are overwrought, poorly written clickbait with a creator that has capitalized off having it both ways with film criticism and comedy.
To add to the supernatural thing, the Sherlock Holmes stories regularly had supernatural elements in them and Holmes very often did appear to skirt with the idea of supernatural occurences being as they are before denouncing them. Whether it's just a way to keep the reader engaged or to show how Holmes was not entirely as 'grounded' as his reputation would suggest, they are undeniably parts of his original character.
Funny how you put that in quotes like he ever claimed these were reviews. People like to nitpick movies. This channel provides that. What's wrong with that?
What research? It's a movie. Not a homework assignment. If it can't make sense in the context if the movie without going onto google, then it's on the movie.
But without that knowledge about the horse and buggy, it doesn't make sense in context. Especially since they're going to the same place and Watson, his partner, is with the police. So Sherlock is just out there running around when logic dictates that the buggy should have gotten him there faster. Now yes, taking it from the perspective of an average movie goer, it's not going to be a big deal. They don't need to know any facts about horses and buggies and that isn't going to effect their enjoyment. But that's why it's called nitpicking. It's not supposed to be a big deal.
1) well critiquing implies that you're genuinely going through the faults of it to see if it holds up. Cinemasins half the time comments on stuff you'd never care about like what a newspaper said when you're clearly just supposed to read the headline. 2) But they are there with the idea that the answer in context isn't obvious (which is the fault of the movie anyway), or something you need to research to find out (which is again the fault of the movie).
Nice. I don't know if this can be a series, but I would really like it to be one. Even as a one-off it was more entertaining and educational than the original video.
Cinema Sins' lazy, misleading jokes are on purpose the same way my lumpy anime drawings as a teen were part of a purposeful and intended style.
+Mr.Aptronym lol
+Mr.Aptronym CinemaSins would shit himself in an art gallery and claim it to be a criticism of a painting.
+Jason Litzau
"Jokie jokes" thats terrible
It's just my style man
Also, fun fact, playing the violin or another string instrument with no bow is called pizicatto and has been utilized in music for centuries. Any proficient violinist can easily pluck out many different tunes and it's sometimes used to practice timing with beginners. Source: I've played the violin for 15 years and taught others. 🙄
Jeremy is dumb
Are you Build Environment TV? Said ~the same thing a year earlier but was only 14 years at the time.
@@riddlemethis3565 i mean, obviously only one person in the world can play the violin for 15 *and* know what pizicatto is. that's like, one of newton's laws or something
Forine It was an innocent question with some reasoning behind it. Don’t be rude. It’s possible they’re different people which is why they’re asking if , not claiming, this is true.
@@SomeOne-vf1rs if you think a sarcastic answer with 0 insults is rude, I emplore you to browse the internet further.
CinemaSins: "Why didn't the studio logo show its name? I have no idea who they are."
CinemaSins: "Why mention the name of Jude Law's character?"
The irony
exactly
The proof that its not "Everything wrong with" but instead "Everything I noticed and wrote down when watching the movie getting pissdrunk for the first time"
Jeremy is the one guy who asks "Why don't the eagles just fly the ring to Mt. Doom?"
Hello, 911? I just witnessed a 20-minute-long murder
Justified. The murdered killed his victim with 'facts', a weapon people hardly use these days.
@@neilimax5650 and LOGIC. he got DEBUNKED
Unnecessarily repeating the name of who you're calling for the benefit of the viewer cliche. DING
Neil Imax BUT SATIRE
Jeremy: "Commenter says it was a 20 minute murder when the video is only 19 minutes and 9 seconds long. DING"
That James Bond edit + "its pronounced shit, not sh*t" = more hilarious than all of CinemaSins jokes combined.
Sub Roy okay ill admit the james bond clip was pretty funny ...but i still dont like these guys😡
only if you hate cinemasins as much as bob does!
@Michael Zambos
It's the exact kind of 'jokey-joke' that cinema sins would have made. Somewhat hypocritical of bob to have said that.
CinemaSins would have said something more like "Hawkeye talks to birds" since they'd be pulling their Hawkeye knowledge out of their butteye
@@joeysung311 This video is to take the piss out of cinemasins. It makes a very clear distinction between what is intended purely as a joke and what is a legitimate criticism in the tone of Bob's voice and the way he edits it. Cinemasins edits and explains every single joke or notjoke exactly the same way.
The one thing this video is missing is a joke about how arbitrary it is to tally up random jokes about a movie into a score.
What are you, of all people, doing here?
Simon him and bobvids are lovers
hbomberguy I'm glad hbomb hates CS like me.
Yay hbomberguy also thinks CS sucks.
Арсений Брилёв ESTRANGED lovers.
Thank you.
If you reply to my reply I will reply to your reply of my reply, and then go on to possibly reply to the possible reply of my reply to your reply of my first reply. It's all up to you RocketJump, if you want an extra subscriber in these rough times, it might be the smartest decision you've ever made.
+RocketJump YEaaaaaaaaaaahhh RocketJummmpppp yeahhhh!!! #YYZ
+RocketJump thank YOU. im not alone on hating Cinema sins.
holy its them
Holy shit it's actually RocketJump. What an honor
The “Jude Law didn’t need introducing as Watson bc he’s on the poster” is hilarious, I was 12 when I saw this film in cinemas and had no idea who RDJ or Jude Law were and would have absolutely been thoroughly confused without a proper, concise introduction.
Right? And it's not even about age. Some people are just not that familiar with Sherlock Holmes and while they might have heard of him they still have no idea that there's another major character accompanying him
I never watch trailers before I see movies and I hate the logic of "You should already know things about the movie before you watch it, therefore they shouldn't explain things in the movie" Like ??? Huh ??? Is this a piece of entertainment or a homework assignment.
"Are you really complaining that Sherlock Holmes, fucking Sherlock Holmes, is being observant right now?"
Honestly I couldnt stop laughing at that point
If expectedOutcome then "Cliche"
Else "Ex-Machina"
End
Yeah.
I can't believe this guy turned years of content into an accurate programming code.
@@messofabeing9392
Not that difficult if it's all so stupidly predictable.
funny
This gave me a firm nose exhale
9:32 That's also Tower Bridge, not London Bridge.
(London Bridge is an arch bridge with nothing on top, whereas Tower Bridge is a drawbridge, with giant towers!!! They couldn't be more different from each other.)
+Larry Bundy Jr yup, i noticed that early on but assumed cinemasins wouldn't make THAT big of an inaccurate statement. silly me!
You are everywhre Larry boy.
I see you in the comment sections of more random videos than any other UA-cam content creator. Hello, you!
Dude this annoyed me sm, I live in central london and i was just about to comment this
The London Bridge that would have been around during this time is now residing in Lake Havasu, Arizona, isn’t that neat?
"...a more flexible & nebulous definition"
This dude realizes that entire wars have been fought of the concept of "sin" right?
Chris Cole Not to mention that “sins” are used in the theology of Abrahamic religions as essentially a tallied score of exactly how worthy you are of burning in a lake of fire for all eternity, subjected to ceaseless torture from hideous monsters that the human mind can barely comprehend.
I’d say that’s pretty definitively negative.
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I don't think they fought over the definition of the word "sin". This guy argue that the definision of the word "sin" isn't flexible enough not what a sin is. You know what... I'm too tired to do this. If you don't get what he ment by that then too bad for you...
KasperochSiri Man, what do YOU mean by that? If this was supposed to be an answer, then I don’t think I like the question.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick There's no mention of torture by hideous monsters. That's kind of a weird medieval invention from what I can tell.
And biblically speaking, even one sin separates you from God. This is why Jesus came as the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf.
Additional sin-sin: Pizzicato is a technique for playing a string instrument by plucking the strings with one's fingers, first described in 1602. So...No. You don't need a bow to play a violin and classical performers have been playing violins without bows for HUNDREDS of years. Sorry, Cinema Sins...try again.
Source: 14 years of classical violin training.
Build Environment TV clearly the average moviegoer has 14 years of violin experience- CS represents the dumbass in the room not the violin expert
Howie J I play the cello. I learned pizzicato in my very first lesson, long before I learned how to even hold the bow. It's not exactly an obscure technique.
George Weber my point was it’s rare that someone has any experience with string instruments not the difficulty of pizzicato- so you really didn’t contradict my point
Then you may as well direct that same point at every instance in this video where CS made a bad joke based on bad (re: lack of) research, which is the original criticism.
Wilfred Ho yea, I would say that if outside research is necessary the movie did something wrong. However, many of the sins are not necessary to research. Often you can just assume the movie did it right, or at least just accept the movie’s portrayal of situations we aren’t knowledgeable about. I’m just saying that CS is picky and has useless nitpicks, but that they are right about not researching stuff. In this scenario it is odd to see someone pluck a violin- it is a fair question to wonder why you wouldn’t use a bow. Some of CS sins are worse, but this one is a fair question in my opinion.
1:15
This is legitimately the most confusing part of CinemaSins to me. Regardless of the content, why is that timer even there? It'd be better if it was timestamps of the movie itself.
thats actually a really good idea, but that would take actual effort.
acutally no i am wathing a cinemasins video rn and the sin timer is at 00:00:26 but video timer is at 0:34 also there was the everythink wrong eith the entire harry potter franchise video that was over 1h
@@CarlaSantos-tu7if Well the intro is probably about 8 seconds long.
@@uknownada does not matter sin time counts sin conting time video tells you video duration
@@uknownada ALSO the end there is almost always an edit in the end and that can be really long depending on the film the edit does not count for sin timer
Hey Bob,
I recently made a video about CinemaSins and the Kong: Skull Island situation, and used a short part of this Sherlock Holmes video of yours in it, as I think you made some great points here. I referenced your channel of course, and I hope this is alright with you.
All the best.
Left on delivered 😂
@@NolenGYT it's been 4 years, he probably over it.
Aye, filmento is my favorite film commentary channel.
"Hawkeye has a hoverbike, fuck you" Favorite part.
I have to admit, the James Bond scene with his name taken out really works for me, I love how tense it feels
I think he meant that, they couldn't skip his name everytime he introduces himself despite of you already knowing who he is, but yeah, is tense tho
because you know the original scene... if not you would be hella confuse.
I thought the scene was fucking hilarious.
The "How did you see that?" "Because I was looking for it," exchange is also a famous quote from the Sherlock Holmes stories by Doyle. The Guy Ritchie films are full of quotes from the original books. Also, him noticing that "That's the Irene I knew" IS in fact indicating that she's returned to a life of crime, which she'd given up to get married-again, right out of the book. She tells Holmes in the previous scene that she's now divorced and he's noting that she's back to how he remembered her. Watson is established as being a spiritualist (much like Doyle himself) in the books as a counterpoint to Holmes's rationalist approach. These guys know nothing about the story they're critiquing.
Oh, and fun fact: the man Holmes is boxing in this movie (credited as "McMurdo") is actually the same guy he's speaking with in the quote from The Sign of Four that you used, where he's initially unwilling to let Holmes into a house he's guarding until Holmes reminds him that he's the man who once kicked his ass in an amateur boxing match.
>"How did you see that?" "Because I was looking for it,"
It also, in two sentences, is a great illustration of the difference between Holmes and Watson. Holmes is observant enough to think about there might be an invisible weapon, maybe from the way that Blackwood was just standing there, while Watson is the one ready to rush to the girl's defense and be all brave and all that. It's why they make such a good team and (partly) why Watson marrying and moving out scares Holmes so much and is the major theme of the film and oh my god I'm getting mad at cinemasins again
As someone who used to enjoy CinemaSins, a major thank you for making this video. The final straw for me was when they criticized James Gunn in his recent controversy involving Disney. CinemaSins has made some VERY questionable "jokes" in the past, including making light of Chris Brown physically beating Rihanna. So they have very little room to claim others are incapable of changing their views on certain subjects, and learning to abstain from problematic behavior. James Gunn, at the very least, has apologized for his remarks (afaik). CinemaSins is purely brainless, and if I want comical movie commentary, there are infinitely better sources for it. You've earned a subscriber, friend.
Fun fact: the last witch trial in Britian happened in 1944, and there were trials for it in the 1890s, so it could absolutely happen that someone be sentenced for black magic
YES! 1,000% agree!
+Film Riot Hi there
Yeaaaaay!!!
1000% is for people who don't know how math works
Says the clickbatiest clickbater.
+T Gill Okay, and... what's your point?
I remember when CinemaSins first started and the videos were 2 to 3 minutes long and they weren't quite so bad but now they've bloated into 20 minute nitpick and shitty jokeathons
+Houston Bass and back before they sold out and upload like 20 videos in a week now
+Houston Bass Yeah! I remember when CS was good like when they did their 1st video of EWW Amazing Spider-Man and there were 3 separate joke sins about Bing or that classic sin about Uncle Ben unsolving a Rubik's cube, a personal favourite it really made a strong comment on the quality of the film. Oh how about in that video when they made that lap-dance sin, what a great choice!... Now you see what that was would be called satire, the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticise people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues, such as what CinemaSins actually is, a fact that many people seem to just straight-up not realise or ignore. CS is a satire of movie reviews as a whole, the entire concept is a comedy channel that focuses on people that make stupid, absurd commentary about movies and film and satirising them by using a character that embellishes and exaggerates that act to such an extreme manner that people constantly complain and whine about how wrong they are and how they're so stupid for not doing research. Honestly all videos like this go to prove is how effective CS really are and what a great job they are doing at their videos. Thanks, +Shesellssheshells you unaware, ignorant, ridiculous, cotton-headed, ninny-moggin.
DaveyDDial1 you okay?
This.
@@DaveyDDial1 you kind be wrong tho. if CS were only a satire of bad critics it would be fine but they are not.
their video are not meta.
I agree that a lot of the joke are exaggerated, made up or self refereed. but the lake of research and contexte is not a positive.
their goal is to make people critical of the movies, not of themselves in my opinion. and they make a bad job at it.
I didn't mind CinemaSins until I listened to their podcast and realised how seriously they take what they're doing, one of the hosts in particular has a real snooty attitude, now I can't listen to either without cringing.
They are idiots
thank god someone called them out on their bull shit, I've watched a few of their videos and more then half of the things that don't understand are literally explained at some point or another or are just blatantly obvious, they just use these things to get a higher number on their idiotic sin counter
I quit watching Honest Trailers for the same reasons.
I've come to accept that most of the stuff in their videos isn't meant to be taken seriously.
@@spartanretro Honest Trailers' or CinemaSins' videos?
@@redforest9269 Yes
@@spartanretro yes but the film is.
Pointing oui flaws of a film is a smart and good idea that they respected at the beginning.
But some film are just flawless so they create Sins from scratch which is wrong in my opinion.
Is like the firefire who stare to long at the flame and becomes an arsonist.
"That's the Irene I know" confusion from cinemasins was the most frustrating thing I heard in their video. Thank you for pointing out how obvious it was!
im really late to the comments but im 99% sure that cinemasins made fun of all of sherlock’s autistic-coded characteristics which is honestly on-brand for them considering the whole “cancer awareness month puts manly men in pink” joke
Sherlock Holmes isn’t coded autistic, he’s hopelessly addicted to cocaine which gives him those traits
He’s not neurodivergent (in that way at least) he’s a massive junkie
Edit: on second thought (with the particular case of the movie) yeah I can see him being autistic in that… as well as being a junkie
@@TulpechaidoplaysMC Ik this is old, but Sherlock has always been autistic coded, and sometimes he can be interpreted as adhd coded. Him having a cocaine addiction is likely him trying to self medicate, whether he realizes that or not. Autistic people, as well as disabled people in general, are at risk for developing addictions because of systemic ableism barring them access to proper accommodations and treatment. Addiction is also a disability btw.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING MINDFUL OF WHO SHERLOCK IS MENTALLY
POINTING OUT HIM HAVING A SENSORY OVERLOAD MADE ME SO HAPPY BC MOST PEOPLE DONT CALL IT THAT AND JUST GO "oh its too loud in this room" WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM SENSORY OVERLOAD
why am i all capsing this
tbh this movie has probably the best depiction of what sensory overload actually feels like that i've seen in a movie or show. a point that people tend to not get is that it's not just "too loud", it's the inability to tune out background activity. it's trying to pay attention to your conversation when you can't tune out the conversation next to you. It's noticing every laugh, every movement, how your clothes rub against your skin, the flickering of a light, the temperature of a room all at once and it's so overwhelming you can't even hear yourself think.
@@mammoneymelon EXACTLY‼️
@@mammoneymelon SO TRUE!!!! i have autism and like, yeah thats what it feels like for me.
I love how the director complimenting RDJ's English accent went from "it's pretty good" to "it's flawless, best I have ever heard, maybe the only good one there is" in the span of like a few seconds.
That's why one shouldn't take him in as good refrence.
@@philipppaasch8929 ?
My dad somehow missed all the promotional material for BvS when we went to see it in theaters, and he had no idea who Wonder Woman was until she pulled out her lasso of truth. Being that he was used to the Linda Carter look and not familiar with her origins or given name this is understandable. That was my lesson in why character introductions are actually needed in stories.
Quick point about the shipyard fight that makes it even worse: Not only did Holmes & Watson's fight basically destroy a shipyard and cause thousands of pounds in damage, it also resulted in the premature launching and subsequent sinking of a ship into the River Thames, the most heavily trafficked body of water in the world then and now, so it's a miracle they didn't damage or sink any other ships that may have been sailing by. Further, one can tell by the half-complete ship's iron hull and distinctive ram bow that this wasn't just any ship they sank, it was a warship. So not only did Holmes and Watson just cause tens of thousands of pounds in damages and destroy months of work, they're also now in deep shit with the British Royal Navy.
You both missed a key sin at 09:31
That's not London Bridge; that's TOWER Bridge. They are 2 very separate bridges in London.
"Hawkguy has a hoverbike. Fuck you."
+Nathan Zimmerman Hawkguy? Or HawkEYE? 2.bp.blogspot.com/-WKBNtSksEm8/UNPHEDkIo4I/AAAAAAAACPA/GTy2SkU5AaU/s1600/Hawkguy.jpg
Great vid. One note: In bare knuckle boxing, slapping your opponent is not mockery. The human head is almost literally skin and bone, so punching someone in the head with your bare fist is a good way to break your hand. Thus, slaps and palm strikes are preferable over knuckle to skull contact since our palms are padded and what gets KOs is the force more than the hardness of the object striking you.
its litt you get clocked hard enough almost anywhere in the skull and you’ll get knocked out. Also your fist and your hand weigh the same. Also it’s more about the force of the object than the hardness.
The fist is heavier and more powerful, but hands are full of delicate small bones. Punching hard stuff improperly is a good way to get rid of your ability to fight completely, no matter how strong you are.
Wow I didn't know that, v interesting!
"Noone told Sherlock that he needs a bow to play the violin"
Pizzicato technique: "Am I a joke to you"
6:06 baffles me to no end, as a Sherlock fan. Jeremy literally just describes how most of the Sherlock stories start
You've said everything I've felt about CinemaSins in one concise video. Thank you.
the bond part is funny.
I really feel like Cinemasins has become a strong example of the belief that if someone has to state their work is satire, then it wasn't very good satire. The sins inbetween the jokey jokes sound like legitimate criticism, and are not easy to deduce as another joke. But then there is the fact that they made many comments about the videos not being serious, and that's how many fans even know it's all one big comedy series. So then they go into the video knowing it's satire. And then when people take it seriously, or are trying to point out that it's just not very good satire, the fans say it's all on them for missing the obvious comedy. But it's not always obvious, and it's definitely not always funny.
I like Cinemasins, but I have yet to find any legitimately good defense made by fans in regards to these videos. And yet they have the gall to say you're taking this too seriously. Like someone balls-deep in the fandom like they are might not be the most unbiased opinion on Cinemasins.
Some asshole makes a video series entirely about making nitpicky comments about movies. Some dude decides to take it all as legit criticisms and makes a video saying how wrong they are. This is literaly only a step or 2 away from being argueing with trolls. Cinemasins is great when you realise its all a joke and not all jokes are funny for all people.
In order to get a "joke", Cinemasins takes each movie apart and treating each scene and moment as if it exists in its own space. He's essentially making things up. For comedy to work, there needs to be some element of truth. Good satire makes you think, highlights the absurd, can evoke change, and is always clearly satire.
skitskatskootlybopbag. There thats a joke im sure someone will laugh.
lucas nope
Well plenty of people take it seriously. Like this guy. And comedy is subjective.
"Are movie sins just observations now? Is that what's happening?"
Guy perfectly sums up what I don't like about cinema sins DING
I just unsubbed
From cinemasins to be clear
Your doing the lords work
Don't believe him he's lying.
Do you like this guy better
I stopped watching cinemasins probably three years ago... they used to make short 3 to 5 min videos which had genuine plot holes that were pointed out but now it is just negative and stupid...
Dark Knight he wishes he was a writer and he was in Hollywood, rich, and had enough money to fill a swimming pool. so he's jealous, which leads to his ignorance and stupidity.
John Jamele I'm pretty sure he's talking about CinemaSins, not Dark Knight.
This video is a public service. Thank you. *claps*
+Brett DuVale Seconded
+Brett DuVale Indeed, a real catharsis for having watched some of those maddeningly stupid and thoughtless riff-fests. Like Mystery Science Theater if it had a bitchy attitude, and a lobotomy.
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EVERYTHING WRONG WITH EVERYTHING
favorite comment ever
10:15
Also, plucking a violin is perfectly acceptable. Actually, it's *required* at times.
It's called pizzicato.
One of the biggest departures from the source material was the hate-hate relationship between Watson's wife to be/wife and Holmes. In the books they got along quite well and she would often encourage Watson to accompany Holmes on his investigations.
Three years late, but the sequel definitely built towards the books relationship.
8:52 Punching wrong is a great way to break your knuckles. In barekuckle boxing, it would actually be a bad idea to always punch, all the time.
While I agree that the applause is to frustrate his opponent and goad him into fighting poorly, many of the slaps are less to aggravate, and more to try to trauma his opponents various different nerve clusters, and try to stun him.
Holmes has no problem with a balled-fist punch later in the bout, but it's less damaging and risky to Holmes to make liberal use of elbow strikes, palm strikes, and slaps or chops to sensitive places, as much as is practical.
As you rightly point out, Holmes is an avid student of anatomy, and he sees no reason to risk breaking his knuckles, some of the softest bones in the human body, on strikes that ultimately won't do much damage to his opponent, like the forehead, when the mandible, for example, is a far better target. If you want to box his ears and disorient him, a punch would actually apply less force and be less effective than open handed slap.
Boxing fans often wax romantically about how it is a "science", and Holmes is the quintessential scientist. Of course every strike is going to be a calculation, "How can I hit something soft of yours with something hard of mine?"
great comment
In order for you defend something by saying "it's a comedy series," first it must actually be funny
Well comedy is subjective. And I know plenty of people who find it funny.
Exactly. I find it funny too.
jun I see. My heart feels tortured by this knowledge and I'm now sinking in a never ending whirl of despair. Ouch
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You guys have poor taste in comedy.
clap clap clap clap
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JackHoward Good to see ya here Jack!
memes review
Preach!!!
I like cinema sins, but I really don't like how they take scenes out of context or purposefully misunderstand what's happening in order to force in a cheap "sin." Great video.
Then... What do you exactly like about them?
@@didac3859 I can't speak for Aussie Ducky but in my case: The stupid jokes and when they trash a movie I absolutely hate. And they do have some good points sometimes
@@empressfreya9872 You could also watch a real review of a movie, especially a bad one and they'll still trash it while not having good points sometimes, but all the time.
@@LunaDevaKitty but it's not as funny
@@empressfreya9872 There are plenty reviews that are funny. Also honestly I don't find cinemasins in the slightest bit funny whatsoever. I find the guy extremely annoying and I just think he's being a huge dickhead with no passion.
10:39 Another mistake with cinemasins video that bobsvids didn't mention: This movie is set in the 19th century (and the very end of the 19th century at that), not the 18th, and the London police force didn't even exist in the 18th century as it wasn't invented until the 1820s. The guys who run cinemasins are such idiots and their "film criticism"/poor attempts at humour are so inconsistent that I can't even tell if this mistake is intentional or not
they probably think 18th century = 1800s and 19th century =1900s.
@@_ikako_lol
7:00 Another note about this sin: Mary says right after his observations about Watson that it isn’t really fair because *Holmes already knows Watson* and that he should try it on a stranger, such as herself. The film, quite literally, points out what he considers a “sin”. But does take it out? Nope, because that would require going back after watching the next 10 seconds of movie and editing his script
Another thing about 3:30 - in actual fact, lots and lots of people will watch this movie without seeing the poster, trailer, or DVD cover. Lots of people decide which movies to see in theaters by checking the titles of currently playing movies and seeing if any of them sound interesting (and maybe glancing at its Rotten Tomatoes score). Lots of people go to see movies that their friends/spouses/family members pick out without themselves knowing anything about the film beforehand. When this movie inevitably ends up on Cable TV, lots of people will see it because they saw "Sherlock Holmes" while scrolling through the channel guide and decided to check it out.
The bottom line is that assuming that the audience knows absolutely nothing about your movie beforehand is good filmmaking practice, because if your movies is successful then lots of people *will* see it without knowing anything about it beforehand.
+Conduit657 100% agreed. thank you
cinemasins was pretty funny when they started and all their videos only lasted for 5 minutes, once they started nitpicking the smallest shit for 20 minutes it got old fast and very annoying, i havent even subscriped them any more
+Axtmoerder They got bloated.
I didn't try watching their vids until recently, starting with Pacific Rim and Wonder Woman. Couldn't get 3 minutes into either because I didn't get why most of what he was whining about was bad.
Wow, I didn't know CinemaSins was this bad. Never really watched it myself. Loved this riff on it, good job!
CinemaSins proves the existence of the fine line between seeing a movie and WATCHING a movie
Two things - 1) I absolutely love this video! It is great to see someone critique cinemasins. You really summarised how I often feel.
2) One of the sins is about London geography - I understand that the London Bridge shot is planting for later pay-off but to go via the river (even without crossing it) which is significantly further south and literally the opposite direction to reach pentonville prison is still illogical. I live in London and have studied the history of it. Even in a late 1800s to pre WW1 era, the roads still have existed. It is, I believe, simply a case of a film wanting the iconic landmark and set up more than perfect accuracy, which is fine but I thought I would say. While your criticism of their sin stands, the point that their route would still make no sense is actually valid based on London's geography. I hope you aren't offended.
Cinema Sins killed my family.
My family's sins killed cinema
They raided my village and burned down our home
Cinemasins sends my creepy text messages and dick picks
Must've been pretty awkward for you, huh?
Then the fire nation attacked.
CinemaSins is the worst kind of snarky, willfully-ignorant tumblr/reddit humor.
Horseshoe theory
SNail Man what’s so different about them? They cater to the same groups of people. Not all of tumblr is social justice, a lot of people post their art or photography as well.
Other CinemaSins episodes that NEED to be riffed:
-Big Hero 6
-Mortal Kombat
-Goldeneye
The Winter Soldier. It is easily the worst of the ones I bothered to watch.
@@swanpride watch the birdmans video on it
And the harry potter movies
@@swanpride it is the last one that I watched before unsubscribing.
I had never fully realized how harmful and toxic Cinema Sins’ videos were before encountering your channel. While I always took their videos with a grain of salt and got some level of enjoyment out of them if only for them occasionally having a funny bit of commentary regarding a movie I’d seen and enjoyed (poking fun at it, essentially) I never considered what kind of impact their inaccurate criticisms could have on their typical demographic. Thank you for opening my eyes to this and for your detailed and thoughtful critiques of their videos, and their entire channel as a whole.
I strongly believe Jeremy really loves the sound of his own voice and pace
This is the first time I've ever enjoyed a Cinema Sins video. Good on you for turning shit into good content
“Shit”
To you.
I love how you go out of the way to do the opposite of everything cinemasins does, the colorful background, the little pop sound, oh and the research!
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
For what? If you got the time I can point out every wrong with everything he points out. He's really bad at it lol
I for one would love to see Everything Wrong with Everything Wrong With Everything Wrong With Sherlock Holmes
"I have not seen someone simultaneously watch and not watch a film before"
CinemaZens. He's watching the movie by not-watching it.
this video cleansed my skin and gave me back all the years cinemasins shaved off my life i've never felt more blessed
Imagine some dudebro sitting in the cinema spending most of the time on his phone but paying just enough attention to make "witty" MST3k comments out loud as if that shit wasn't the most annoying thing to listen to. Cinemasins is the youtube embodiment of that guy.
+Gnome de Plume thats the whole point of their channel.
+Gnome de Plume On their Twitter, CS retweeted some guy who posted that both he and someone else were yelling CS-style snarks at the stage during a play. Not funny, just rude and distracting for the actors.
Alexander Brown Doing something on purpose does not automatically make that thing good entertaining or worthwhile
+Gnome de Plume just because you personally dont enjoy something doesnt mean its sh*t. if the majority of their 5.5miĺlion subscribers hated the way they did things they might change, they might not. comedy is completely subjective and just because the reddit circlejerk is anti cinemasins at the moment, doesnt represent even 1% of their viewers.
Except he's doing it in a channel that's clearly there for people who want to hear that. It's not like you go online and you're forced to watch one of his videos. You now have the knowledge of what they offer. Don't watch them.
Good video about a bad video
Improbable Lobster I think you misspelled great as good :)
No, this video is pretty bad. Good quality but everything they point out is even more wrong than the stuff they point out.
Is it me or does it look like way more production went into this than the piece he's critiquing?
+Yuki Ahmed the way CinemaSIns does their videos requires very little actual effort from what i can tell. the only actual work the guy does is selecting the clips from the movies to include in the video, some mild audio mixing, and sometimes he has to make a PNG of an arrow or a circle appear to highlight a detail. very little work required
Thank you for opening my eyes to this. I often put cinema sins on in the background and although I've never just blindly accepted their criticisms I hadn't realised just how cynical, manipulative a cash grab it really was until now.
As a former viewer of CinemaSins, I can say that I had no idea they were joking at all
Will you do more of these please. Really not a fan of their nitpicking.
+Jack Tilley Satire of what? Nitpicking?
+Jack Tilley So we should interpret CinemaSins as some sort of hyper-meta performance art? Mocking nitpicking by nitpicking poorly?
+Jack Tilley uhhh, no. they've just gotten lazy. their videos used to bring light to actual problems. now they just complain about random shit. every video they make now sins the fact that movies open up with logos. it's just lazy and anyone who says differently is ignorant.
So you’re saying let’s nitpick the nitpicker’s nitpicks because we don’t agree with their nitpicks? That’s just ridiculous.
Thats such a "defending the channel i like" cliche and a "your wrong" cliche and a "your not getting it" cliche so my final thought on this is that is is an ex machina. This is sarcasm if you dont know.
hold on. gotta pause this and go watch the movie again. you reminded me how much i liked it
+Saint Solitaire i recommend watching the man from uncle, too, if you havent already. same director. just rewatched it last night. really love that movie
Can you make this a series?
Tim Gonzales for real!
I hope so
15:38 Also, 2 other *very* long-term effects of the Civil War:
"In 1864, the Navy had 51,500 men in uniform, and almost 700 ships and about 60 monitor-type coastal ironclads which made the U.S. Navy the second largest in the world after the Royal Navy. By 1880 the Navy only had 48 ships in commission, 6,000 men, and the ships and shore facilities were decrepit but Congress saw no need to spend money to improve them. The Navy was unprepared to fight a major maritime war before 1897."
And....
During the Civil War, a single Confederate commerce raider, CSS Alabama, "damaged Union merchant shipping around the world. The Confederate cruiser claimed 65 prizes valued at nearly $6,000,000 (approximately $94,000,000 in today's dollars)" Other Confederate raiders would destroy some 135 more prizes, and driving many hundreds more to be sold into foreign hands, devastating the US merchant fleet such that it would not recover until World War I.
@@EETDUK the civil war, not the revolutionary war
13:37 Hahahah! You're asking Jeremy to do research?! That's funny! We all know Jeremy HATES putting in effort.
Thank you for this, I really dont get the love for these things, I remember flipping out during everything wrong with age of ultron when they sinned it for "I guess captain america can telepathically call his shield back to him?" when he was saving the woman on the bridge in the 3rd act WHEN IT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN AT THE FIRST 5 MINS OF THE MOVIE HE HAS MAGNETS ON HIS SLEEVE THAT STARK HAS DESIGNED FOR HIM! this is the type of careless shitty jokes seen in all their vids
+TheBritainboy "You know, this superhero movie isn't very realistic" followed by the smuggest shit-eating smirk you can imagine
You're going to do more right??
+Dukefrukem Seconded!
+Lich King Thirdended!
+Kevin Alford Fourtheneded!
+Shesellssheshells Fiftheneded!
+Shesellssheshells I would LOVE to see you take down their video on Labyrinth, particularly because one of the first shitty jokes they make is about not being able to find Jennifer Connely "hot" because she's 14.
this basically articulated the issues I have with CinemaSins. Excellent work Bob.
I have genuinly smiled, chuckled and outright laughed my ass off in your videos dissecting and debunking cinemasins videos then on any of their videos. I am so glad I found your channel.
18:25 The whole history lesson about engagement rings here is maddening. Cinema Sins waited until the fucking end of the movie to try doing actual research.
Clicked 'Like' after 1 minute of the video. Couldn't agree more on the part of misleading criticism. We live in the Era of nitpicking.
as a cinemasins fan i whuld argue that the main goul(grammar go byebye) of the chanel is not to give actual quality critique. like i migh be wrong but at least when I whatch ther videos I go expecting reddit level jokes and out of this whord nitpicking never an acutal video to tell me if the movie is good
15:14 also in the occult a symbol of good is traditionally shown upright and a symbol of evil is traditionally used upside-down such as pentagrams and crosses. They make it a point to explain that Standish and the rest of the order use magic for good and what is commonly referred to as "white magic" and Blackwood uses "black magic" for evil.
That James Bond clip deserves its own separate video.
As far as accents go, i'll trust the Brit to inform me on British accents, sort of like how people from Boston complained about the accents in the Departed.
4:11 I think him ignoring the question actually made that scene slightly more entertaining
Nice deconstruction! I love it when people get serious about their research. Thanks for pointing out the pentagram thing too, a lot of people seem to think it only has one meaning/orientation.
Sin Tally: 64
Sentence: Do some god damn research
+Ben Wasserman Two, no three weeks of it
He says "do some goddamn research", but then he has a research fail of his own. CS "Sinned" the fact that Blackwood was convicted of using black magic, wondering if society was really that backwards. In fact, it was not. By the time period of the movie, the only law in England regarding black magic was that you can be convicted of fraud for pretending to practice it. He could still be hung for murdering people, but the Sin about him being convicted of being a magician is correct.
Please make as many of these as possible.
13:09 Oh, the honesty of this statement is so revealing. Yes, they were probably joking about the cocaine (I assume) but they were obviously completely honest about the fact hat their attention had slipped. Cinema Sins should use that line as a caveat to every complaint they've ever made... It would explain so much.
Thank you for using that elusive thing called “context” to analyze a film.
You're doing the lord's work here.
...something tells me god doesn't care about Cinemasins videos.
PRAISE BOB
Amen
I love and adore you for doing this. I despise everything about CinemaSins and their lazy jokeyjoke nonsense I see shared every day by what I can only assume are erstwhile good and worthwhile people. Now, off to your channel to see if you do any more of those. I might as well subscribe while I'm at it.
Again, hugs and kisses to you forever for this.
those jokeyjokes are funny
Joey Sung when your jokeyjokes only work if you have zero understanding of the content of the joke, then they aren't that good
Hi, while it's true that some of cinemasins' jokes really are less funny if you have a good understanding of the movie, most of the factual basis of the joke is justifiably irrelevant... such as how ridiculous it is that a reclusive agoraphobic investigator is in some sort of street boxing match. Yes, sherlock boxing is canon, but that really doesn't matter here.
Black Metal sucks too.
He is willing to leave the home for investigations and dangerous shenanigans; how is boxing out of character? He just doesn't like leaving with purpose, and he doesn't like interacting with others unless he knows he can get something worthwhile out of them.
Dude, thank you so much for making these. I can't watch and enjoy movies now because of Cinema Sins. This makes me feel better.
@@megaball-ps8tqHow is he a rip off? By being a better version?
Dude, I know this is an old video, but the James Bond part made me laugh so hard I think I tore a muscle in my chest xD
After six years, this video remains fantastic as it truly encapsulates why Cinemasins' videos are bottom-of-the-barrel in quality and entertainment value. Despite what their most fervent fans and apologists claim, Cinemasins' videos are overwrought, poorly written clickbait with a creator that has capitalized off having it both ways with film criticism and comedy.
To add to the supernatural thing, the Sherlock Holmes stories regularly had supernatural elements in them and Holmes very often did appear to skirt with the idea of supernatural occurences being as they are before denouncing them. Whether it's just a way to keep the reader engaged or to show how Holmes was not entirely as 'grounded' as his reputation would suggest, they are undeniably parts of his original character.
Cinemasins is a pretty shitty channel though. People only like it because of his snarky voice and condescending tone towards the things he "reviews".
Funny how you put that in quotes like he ever claimed these were reviews. People like to nitpick movies. This channel provides that. What's wrong with that?
What research? It's a movie. Not a homework assignment. If it can't make sense in the context if the movie without going onto google, then it's on the movie.
But without that knowledge about the horse and buggy, it doesn't make sense in context. Especially since they're going to the same place and Watson, his partner, is with the police. So Sherlock is just out there running around when logic dictates that the buggy should have gotten him there faster. Now yes, taking it from the perspective of an average movie goer, it's not going to be a big deal. They don't need to know any facts about horses and buggies and that isn't going to effect their enjoyment. But that's why it's called nitpicking. It's not supposed to be a big deal.
They aren't even really critiquing. I mean they do the same for movies they love. It's just fun to poke holes in these movies.
1) well critiquing implies that you're genuinely going through the faults of it to see if it holds up. Cinemasins half the time comments on stuff you'd never care about like what a newspaper said when you're clearly just supposed to read the headline. 2) But they are there with the idea that the answer in context isn't obvious (which is the fault of the movie anyway), or something you need to research to find out (which is again the fault of the movie).
Actually armed crime was super common back then in fact most crimes committed involved both left and right arms... scary stuff
Holy crap the edit of James Bond not saying anything was awkwardly hilarious.
Nice. I don't know if this can be a series, but I would really like it to be one. Even as a one-off it was more entertaining and educational than the original video.