I actually enjoyed Salvation. Yeah it had it's problems but it was a different take. It was the start of the future war. I wish they would have kept it going. They just need to stop having Terminators saving the day. I want to see John lead the resistance and see them capture some Terminators to reprogram them.
Salvation need to be revaluated, especially after Genesys. - The T-800 (or TRIP) was very scary and interesting. - The "lore" and the setting was going in the right direction, taking elements from the older movies. - The Arnold face for the time was amazing. Also today, if you imagine the work made on it, was simply great. - The slavery mechanism and all the mash-up between the modern and future technology was great. It's a shame they didn't followed up with this.
@Declan Nathan It's the worst Terminator movie. Reduces the terminators to dumb robots, throwing people around, while it could just choke the enemy out with thumb and index finger only. Or just rip through the breast and tore the heart out. Most ridiculous scenes ever seen in a movie of that reputation.
Loved this one. I actually agree, I feel Salvation took the franchise into an interesting direction. They should at least finish the stories they keep trying to tell
Salvation did get an ending in a comic, spoilers Marcus get's revived because he can regenerate, John gets killed by the T-850 in T3 and becomes a human mind in a T-850 body, Another terminator Hybrid who's insane causes Skynet and the resistence to team up, in the end, John and his wife use artificial insemination from John's leftover Semen to get kids.
vos kaeon huh interesting, thanks for the summary i did hear about the team up comic but nothing else. sounds interesting but i‘m honestly not sure if they would’ve taken the films in the same direction
Salvation was better than Genisys, especially in the effects when John Connor blows up the T-800 in the lab. You can see the details of the skin and flesh coming off and some of it still hanging on. Where as in Genisys, Kyle Reese blows up the T-800 in the warehouse and suddenly all of skin and flesh is suddenly completely vanished.
I would have liked to have seen them explore the 'prototype' part more, for example what if Skynet hadn't yet perfected the organic tissue layer and instead of looking like Arnie it was a disfigured mess? In any case, it was definitely superior in terms of sheer strength to Marcus Wright - who was only able to decapitate the T-RIP because of rapid thermal cycling that weakened the chassis. Salvation wasn't an awful movie, but it could have been so much better - just a lot of unfulfilled potential.
I just noticed in the first movie when he breaks into Sara Connors friends house and fights the boyfriend that he throws the boyfriend around a few times before killing him.
To be fair, in real life being thrown around wouldn't result in little to no damage as shown in movies. At 4:14 alone could potentially snap JC's neck, cause concussion with his head hitting stuff, or damage his spine. But yeah, it is still an inefficient method to kill someone and definitely isn't something a robot would do.
Salvation was far more serious than T3, it felt like a fresh take on something familiar, and I really liked the tie-in to the lore when they showed Connor getting his scar, which was such a minor detail in T2.
am i the only one who liked Salvation and thought the CGI Arnold was really good lol edit, and thats what i also liked about Salvation it was based in the war, the start of it. Not the whole going back in time again and again idea. This was set up to see a World War with Skynet in the future films, last one being they send Kyle back to T1 thus completing the circle. I also wished they stuck with the original ending where John dies but in order to keep the image of John / resistances alive they would use Marcus as John Connor. A Terminator. Hell i even liked Genisys, apart from the last few minutes where Arnold comes back 'upgrades'. Wish they didn't do that and just left it as you see Arnolds head fall into the liquid metal as a tease. But well that failed lol. And Dark Fate, well that just looks shocking.
Awesome video! Terminator Salvation is so underrated but is such a good movie! It respects the established story and gives a good new vision of the things in the future.
Bruno Faustino yup I agree 👍after salvation ended and they didn’t want to continue that story anymore and made T genshits to shit on the unverise I was done original movie continuity build up 1984 to 2009 RIP
Yeah not like he could have just snapped there necks with demonstrated superior strength..... oh wait. If was charitable have to guess the T-RIP has bad programming.
An advanced tactic known as "The Protagonist Throw" This, in a nutshell, is why the first two Terminator movies are superior. Their respective antagonists never got hold of their target, so you believe that when they do, they will be efficient.
Outside the attempt at Arnolds facial recreation, my complaints about the T-Rip were that it took its sweet time getting to its target, and when it miraculously did catch up, it just threw them around anyway. This severely handicapped the credibility of the T-Rip as a threat. The only genuine moment of terror felt from the T-Rip was when it called out in Kyle's voice and successfully lured John out of hiding. The way that was shot with John running around the corner only to confront the T-Rip was perfect, otherwise this Terminator was forgettable.
I found the T800 Prototype to be perfect in the context of the movie. The fact that it wasn't 100% perfectly human made it so unsetteling in the first place. It was actually great!
T: Salvation had a good concept of the future. And truthfully I was kinda happy that it was the first terminator film to be set in the future. As we got to see the T-10s, T-600s, HK Tanks, HK aerial vehicles, the Harvester Mech, Mototerminators, Drones, The Hydrobots, the T-RIP (Proto Terminator) & the T-700s (in production line) along with some others. I mean you couldn't get a diverse line of killer machines in one film whereas the other series do not have them. Heck in truth I wanted to see the T-800s who were sent back in time & then survived the war by still serving SkyNet.
That JRPG anime fan player Jusino I just wished they stuck in the future. Cause going back in the past or present is getting old. Oh the part were the missle was shot down during the beginning of the movie was a kind of HK Tank But not the one we're familiar with.
T-800: I hear you humans find "ragdoll" physics funny. So i'm gonna try them out. Connor: W-what are you-AAAAAAAHHHHH-(SLAM!)-Oooowww... T-800: That was fun. Now let's do that several more times! Connor: No! Nonono please no-NOOOOOOAAAAAAA-(SLAM!)-OOOOOWWWW!!! T-800: Weeee. Connor: Where did you learn this kind of Cruelty?! T-800: Garry's Mod. (Then proseeds to grab Connor again) Yaaaaayyy!
@@dsantiago1000 That's all I could think about when I watched this scene. The terminator throws John around like a half dozen times. Why not just snap his neck? LOL
Make Terminator great again. Bring back John Connor, bring back Skynet and finally give fans the future war we've been waiting for. Not this woke dark fate trash!
The series needs to get away from the Connors, if anything. One of the things the TV show did right was to explore time-travel and other missions which had nothing to do with John Connor. The war was, after all, literally planetary in nature and bigger than any single one character.
@@Xenomorphine Sure, the war is planetary, but Skynet while being legion, is also singular, and it has always viewed John Connor as it's single most dangerous adversary. If they want to tell other stories, sure that's an option. However, maybe they should finish the story they started. And finish it in a non woke, shitty political, sjw way. You know, dance with who you came with.
Digital Devil7 Only in so far as the single act he carried out. Clearly, since humanity mass evacuated from the camps, there would have been many single acts which could have turned the tide of the war. In fact, from 'Salvation', onwards, something major must have shifted. The timelines, because John and Kyle never met up as the first film's dialogue described and John never destroyed any "defence grid", either. Nor was he the one to teach fellow prisoners how to storm any defences. Humanity apparently just did that spontaneously by itself, rendering his contributions as relatively small.
@@Xenomorphine It's been a while since I've watched Salvation or Genisys. So I can't really speak to most of that. Wouldn't John still have ended up meeting Reese since he's the one who sends him back to protect his mother? And this opens another can of worms. If young John dies Reese will never be sent back to protect Sarah, so how is she alive? Paradox.
salvation is the third best so far . cmon . the only problem i had is the john connor throwing around . i m sure they could have found a better way of fighting so john doesn t get killed . once the terminatot gets his hands on a human it s game over . but yes salvation was definetly good. it was heading in the right direction for the franchise. t3 n genesys were very bad
Agreed. I was thinking the same. Why does he keep throwing him around when his mission is to kill him. Once he got a hold on him he would have killed him not throw him farther away
Aside from the fact the T800 does that at times in the first, the prototype is that, a prototype. Plus, it does more, it tries to strangle John and impales him with a rebar. Seems to me it/Skynet was being like an animal predator, toying with its prey.
Mercenary Knight that s utter nonsense. Finding excuses like that. The fact is that the terminator could have broken him the moment he grabbed him Anything else is just retarded
It could've done what it did to that T-600, easily. It may be a prototype, but surely it would've thought that if doing that can stop a T-600, it could easily stop a human.
Salvation was my favorite addition to the first 2 films. Way better that Terminator 3 and Genesys. I really wish it had been successful and made into a trilogy that finally came full circle with the originals. A lot of people complain that it wasn't like the depictions of the future war seen in previous films but those depictions were well into the war against the machines when John was leading the resistance. Salvation was set in the early stages of the war and if given the chance the sequels could have eventually been the future war everyone wanted to see.
Dude, the facial CG of Arnold was bloody tremendous. It only looks incorrect for its added bulk, giving it a much more formidable appearance. It’s very well done
I enjoyed Terminator Salvation, I think the idea of setting a film mostly during the future war would be a logical direction for canon, if you wanted the gritty cyberpunk feel of the original movie, get the duffer brothers on board as they capture the feel of the 80's really well ala 'stranger things'
I can’t be the only one who thinks the t-rip is larger and stronger than the previous t-800 models? Especially in exoskeleton form, it’s never looked more intimidating
Ok, Ok here is a theory, what if Terminators are programed like cats, you know as a pet of skynet. Have you ever watch a cat playing with mouse before killing it ?
@@smithwesson1896the problem is that we already had that, its just not long enough o make a full movie around to bring something new that people don't already know about
i like how well they did salvation with the lighting. actually reminds me of an apocalypse and reminds me of a video game. story is actually well thought out, and great acting!
I actually enjoyed the movie, I would have loved to have seen a trilogy where it starts in this future but from the second film onwards you see those sweet laser rifles, and maybe start putting in the newer models. Also with the T. Rip being a prototype I think it's a clever way to answer why the cgi wasn't too great, maybe the flesh was in a prototype stage also 😅
There is one huge hole in the operation terminators and makes them unrealistic. 6:05 The terminators heavy shiny metal feet walking on metal steps would not work. A heavy moving object made of metal standing on metal with no friction would just full over. You could just push the thing and it would just fall over if it's standing on any hard area.
I wish they had continued the series after this and built up to the end of the war, John playing cat and mouse with sky net, the resistance reverse engineering plasma rifles. It would have been great.
A credit to the film, I actually saw it 2 times when it came out and enjoyed it on both occasions. And that’s when I was a young lad obsessed with T2 and couldn’t bare the thought of any terminator film not being with Arnie in a familiar timeline. So if it could be that enjoyable to a fan boy like I was back then, they definitely did some things right, not everything but I was really interested in a lot of what they established.
My only problem with Salvation was that it lacked the dark tone from the machine war flashbacks of the old movies. Also the lack of energyweapons. Everything was too bright in this future and felt more like a TV production. This science fiction series "Falling Skies" really reminded me of Salvation. Also the actress of the resistance pilot was in it.
Thank you for noticing that this T-RIP gave John Conner the scar that we saw in the original Terminator movie. I too thought it was a really nice throwback to the original movie without being all obvious or in your face about it. I too enjoyed Terminator Salvation. Yes it had its problems, but I agree that it DID expand the universe respectfully and I hold it in much higher regard than T3 or Genysis.
I love salvation and the final fight scene against the t800 is in my opinion one of the most badass depiction of the terminator, such a powerful and relentless machine, also great CGI
*It would be great to see how Connor and Perry, not to mention Reese and Luna where able to effectively smashed Skynet's defense grid that it had no choice but to use the time displacement lab in an attempt to end the resistance before it ever began, coming to full circle how all came about like in the prologue. Plus get to see Reese earlier in his career in tech com and how connor knew where to target skynet effectively almost but defeating it leading up to the time displacement lab raid*
I've said it before, I'll say it again... a lot of people begged to have a Terminator movie set during the war. They got it, and it delivered. Yes, a lot of people are too set with having Arnie continuously reprise his role. But, i agree. An all-out war movie set in the future would be awesome to see
Take note. The prototype t-800 took heavy fire arms such as multiple granade launcher shots and shotgun's, yet in Genysis the t-800 was decapitated by a 50 bmg ( not even armor piercing rounds )
I saw Salvation in theater and I quite like it. I managed to keep myself away from any commercials or ad. So I was greatly surprised with everything. I think it's the best way to watch a movie, with no expectations. There are some weakness but I don't think the Arnold cameo is one. The surprised work with me, maybe that is why the effect worked for me. Plus Michael Ironside is in it.
The t-rip was stronger than Marcus be when Marcus tried stabbing the t-rip with the railing the first time the t-rip caught Marcus with one arm while Marcus was struggling using 2 arms and the t-rip using only one arm didn’t seem to struggle at all
@@flexplay9993 yeah true unlike the T800 machine marcus still has a human brain cortex nerve system as said earlier in the film and you see evidence of this in the film when Marcus feels sort of pain still like a human the T800 however logically does not aka a soulless killing machine By just a learning chip. Unlike Marcus the terminator is just a killing machine doll compared to him.
Though the facial recreation wasn't great, once the skin is blown off, I personally think the T-RIP looks fantastic. Aside from maybe 2 or 3 shots, I think it looks like, dead-on real and physically there. All the detail of the bits of "gristle" still left on it, everything just looks so good. I'm with you on Salvation; some major missteps, but a lot done really well. For one, at least it's different from the other films, it finally showed at least the beginning of the future war, it's a visually beautiful movie (even though it doesn't fit the previously established future war aesthetic) it has some great action pieces and I actually really liked the Marcus character and the Terminator Hybrid idea and really wish that it could have been more expanded.
1000000 PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU!! They should just set the next three movies in the future war. The first movie could show that the events of T2 prolonged the start of the war but they could have easily had other developments happing for Skynet at a different facility. It could been explained that Dyson didn't have complete access to the entire project. Then of course Skynet gets developed from there and the bombs are set off. The movie could show the war and be based on how Connor and his men find out Skynet has developed time travel and the focus of the film is to stop send Reese back in time to protect Sarah Connor. The film ends showing him and the T800 getting sent back. The second film could show more of the war with its secondary storyline being how Skynet sends the T1000 back and the focus being Connor getting a T800 model to reprogram and send back. The third movie could show how Skynet will try yet again to send something back in time by Connor and the resistance stop the plan and finally win the war.
I could not agree with you more. I have been waiting my entire adult life to see the future Wars post judgment day. I actually enjoyed salvation and thought it was a good opener to a new series of movies.
I liked Salvation. Especially after the hot mess that was rise of the machines. I noticed the T 800 at the end looked bigger when I watched it the first time. Never thought about it being a prototype. Honestly love this theory. Makes a lot of sense.
The Terminator series is like a good nut you hold in. It feels good after a while, but then hurts like hell and your body is begging you to find a climax.
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In my humble opinion, Skynet warned Marcus that if he disobeyed the AI then he would be marked for termination as if he was a traitor or human. As you stated all terminators are linked to Skynet so, therefore, the AI deemed Marcus a threat and the models acted accordingly. The facility that housed the captured Kyle Reese was indeed an RnD building, more accurately that facility was probably that main RnD site for the infiltration models. This could explain why the facility looks bigger compared to the one at the beginning of the movie. I believed that the T-Hybrid was scrubbed by Skynet as it could be vulnerable to the areas containing its organic components and the instance where Marcus was not controlled by the AI and rebelled. It wanted an infiltration unit that looked and acted human but was still controlled by the AI. It was afraid that if the infiltration units were left to themselves without limitations set by Skynet then it would see the T series robots act more like Carl from dark fate walking around not killing humans.
I felt that the addition of the prototype was the one thing that really worked as lore expansion. Salvation is one that, while I don't love it with the same fervor that I do the first two films, is one that I find incredibly watchable and at least gave us something of the future war, though I would have liked to have it look as it did in the first two films. John Connor was finally a leader that I could believe was going to become the man we got to see in the flashbacks. If only it could have continued.
I am personally a fan of this movie. Yes, I understand the criticisms that it received. But I believe that it was a great addition to the franchise. Could have used a sequel though to expand the lore to the point of the opening scene of Terminator Genisys (laser guns man). The addition of a Terminator/Human hybrid was pretty awesome too.
The uncanny valley stuff actually works in the film's context precisely because the T-RIP was a prototype. Cameron himself stated that Arnold's accent was an indication that Skynet hadn't fully perfected the Terminator technology yet.
We need a future set film series in terminator. No more going back, a war film set in the future is what we need. Salvation really offered such a nice new feel that has not been given since t2
You are right, the T-RIP endoskeleton definitely looks more bulkier than how we saw the T-800 endoskeleton in the first movie. That ain’t the only difference, the T-RIP is also more shinier where the T-800s in both T1 and T2 are matte gray (prolly was made of a different type of alloy metal), and another difference is that it sounds like the T-600s when it moves and the HUD vision is different. Ofcourse tho to be fair this is only a prototype to back up what the directors of the movie were making with the effects...
I absolutely 100% agree with you. we need the all out future war of Terminator, like you i really think its the direction of where the terminator films should go, not like this Feminator dark fate none sense is going. i've been waiting for years for an all out Terminator future war movie
I , personally enjoyed Terminator : Salvation, however I was hoping for a full on epic battle with the Resistance and Skynet, like all of those flashbacks we had seen in the previous movies. I was hoping this film would do it but was then expecting the sequel would contine those battles. Yes, as you have just said "AN ALL OUT WAR FILM". That is what I want to see.
Keep in mind that the facility was also a research, design and factory for all types of terminators. So the fact that the TRIP was there simply shows on how many levels Skynet was involved in making specific models for specific circumstances. It’s easy to see that the TRIP was in fact a prototype and may not have been readyFor what it’s intended purpose was, but the fact that Skynet needed to stop John while inside of the factory made it reasonable that Skynet would activate the TRIP being that it was the closest thing to get to John.
I think the T-RIP being bulkier than the production model T-800 makes sense, prototypes are often less refined than what's actually put into wide service. Miniaturizing the tech, even slightly, would allow T-800s to pass for a larger variety of humans when sent on infiltration missions, serve as smaller targets on the battlefield, and would make them require less resources to construct leading to Skynet being able to create more of them. Though I do have to wonder why when trying to kill John Conner it kept on throwing him away. But if it just grabbed him and quickly killed him we'd have no movie and the timeline would get mudded up even more.
The war movie is the painfully obvious choice, as to where they should take future movies, but I think it'd be far to expensive, I think that's what has always stopped them from doing it.
I liked Salvation as it was the only film to show more of the future war that was only teased in the first two films. I know some games do this, but for a movie, I've been wanting a movie with the future war with humans in hiding and the resistance trying to survive and fight off the machines.
I think 9:22 shows well, who's the stronger model. Marcus uses both arms, while trying to pry it off, while the T-800 have no problems forcing him back, with just one arm
Tbh I enjoyed salvation. It definitely had more respect for the franchise than the films that came out later, and it was cool seeing that little bit of the future war.
There was a DOS game where you piloted an experimental pre-terminator power armor, in order to take out Skynet's forces... I'd love to see you do a segment on that piece of gear!
5:24 This was a question I had for a while. When talking to one of my teachers about it he always said that It seemed as though the Terminator was going easy on John Conner lol but the conclusion I came was that since this is a prototype it's not as combat skilled or a fast and reactive as the other T-800's we see. It acts very slow and takes some time to react when it gets hit it is shown to make mistakes as we see it go in for a punch on John Conner and miss, In contrast with the other movies we See the T-800 move quickly with precision and agility There hits almost never miss and when they get knocked down they are quick to get back up unless they are hit with something like a huge explosion. We all know if John Conner was confronted by the average T-800 we all know and love, he and Marcus would be killed in that situation I see to many differences between this prototype and the one we see throughout the other movies.
I honestly didn't dislike it like many others did. There were parts that didn't make much sense to me though; 1. Capturing Kyle Reese - Obviously Skynet knows about him, but I wonder why they bother to keep him alive when they are just sending Connor to a Terminator, just odd for them to hold him at all. 2. Marcus Free Will After Mission Success - Skynet had control of him, they repaired him, and then they just let him break free. Though I guess it could be explained that Marcus is the reason all terminators are set to "read only". 3. Bomb after Data Transfer - Honestly Skynet knew they were there, and I'm pretty sure they can detect when certain files are accessed (like the T-800), personally it should've gone off the moment files were accessed. The CGI bit isn't something to complain about honestly - they used CGI in pretty much every Terminator movie, it was just more obvious is all. And then your comment about Terminators being "good" or "bad".... They are neither. They are machines, whether they are on Skynet's side or on the Resistance's side, they are simply following the directives they were programmed to do. Nothing more. The only movie that changes whether they recognize morality or not was Dark Fate (Rev-9 is taking his time, and the T-800 chose to help, he wasn't reprogrammed). Even when you consider Terminator 2 where they turned off the "Read Only" setting and he began to think for himself, he was still following the mission he was programmed to do - Good & Evil are concepts that are not open to everything, especially not open to machines. Marcus is the exception, he was born human and was made into a Terminator later, he was still Marcus the whole way through, he never went into a Terminator like state. To call any of the Terminators "Good" or "Evil" is honestly laughable & naive.
I loved Salvation and still do for so many reason....it stayed true to canon, then expanded upon that universe and wasnt afraid to go in new directions. I thought cgi'ing Anrnold's face on Roland Kickinger's body was a stroke of brilliance and assumed the slightly different nuances of facial expressions were part of the plotline. Why would Skynet want every single terminator to be exactly the same if part of their mission was infiltration? I was disappointed when the movie was dismissed. There was a whole series of books that continued that universe following Kyle Reese's progression into the man that was sent back in time in T1.
you could also say that, if this is a prototype unit inside the story, the uncanny valley face and bulkier frame could all be explained that way. Just as we know earlier infiltration Terminators had a rubber mask-like face, that this unit was the stepping point between that and the T-800 synthetic skin. They'd almost got it right, but not quite refined yet. Ditto the bulkier frame.
Terminator Salvation was a great movie. I enjoyed the R rated version better then the PG13. The director brought key elements to the series and answers to questions. The different types of terminators to expand the models were great to show what types were used in land, air, and sea. It makes me wonder if the director sought out James Cameron or did James Cameron liked the idea of the terminator Marcus model for Dark Fate.
I agree, it would be nice to see the war in full, have a few films focusing solely on that, instead of trying (AGAIN!) to undo it all, this time by killing John Connor and replacing him as the leader of the resistance with someone else who is a complete un-known in the franchise. Though they really shouldn't have tried to used Arnold's face in the movie, they should have just left him out.
I actually enjoyed Salvation. Yeah it had it's problems but it was a different take. It was the start of the future war. I wish they would have kept it going. They just need to stop having Terminators saving the day. I want to see John lead the resistance and see them capture some Terminators to reprogram them.
Agree.
The CGI was incredible for a 2009 movie. Underated as well, better than T3
I am also kinda spent on the time travel aspect. It's kinda played out. That might be another reason I really enjoyed Salvation.
Yea not to mention I miss the basic menacing t-800 like Arnold. Now it's a whole bunch of liquid cgi metal lol, takes away from the scare factor imo.
@ryan bone ...residence??! or resistance??!
I honestly don’t think the Arnold CGi isn’t that bad
I thought it fit, as it could be written off as SkyNet not quite getting the synthetic skin right.
Yeah it was fine for me it only looks bad in screenshots in the movie the lighting and the pace of the film made it work
It's certainly good _enough_
I agree.
Arnold wasn't finished cooking
Salvation need to be revaluated, especially after Genesys.
- The T-800 (or TRIP) was very scary and interesting.
- The "lore" and the setting was going in the right direction, taking elements from the older movies.
- The Arnold face for the time was amazing. Also today, if you imagine the work made on it, was simply great.
- The slavery mechanism and all the mash-up between the modern and future technology was great.
It's a shame they didn't followed up with this.
Bale played the best John Connor , Salvation is so underrated.
It's a bad movie and makes no sense.
@@fivefingerfullprice3403 How so? What doesn't make sense?
@Declan Nathan It's the worst Terminator movie. Reduces the terminators to dumb robots, throwing people around, while it could just choke the enemy out with thumb and index finger only. Or just rip through the breast and tore the heart out. Most ridiculous scenes ever seen in a movie of that reputation.
Declan Nathan we still haven’t seen dark fate to compare just how shit it will be compared to the all the sequels after t2
@Declan Nathan jajajajajajaja ridiculous dick head takin about a movie he hadn't even watched being bad
This was honestly the best looking T-800 imo. I loved the dark and gritty material used to make it look more real and battered.
yeah the charred flesh still on him that made it less artificial and more like a demon. I think it was also taller and wider
Loved this one.
I actually agree, I feel Salvation took the franchise into an interesting direction.
They should at least finish the stories they keep trying to tell
Lol, I remember the announcement of Christian Bale signing up for further sequels to Salvation. 🤔😂
Salvation did get an ending in a comic, spoilers
Marcus get's revived because he can regenerate, John gets killed by the T-850 in T3 and becomes a human mind in a T-850 body, Another terminator Hybrid who's insane causes Skynet and the resistence to team up, in the end, John and his wife use artificial insemination from John's leftover Semen to get kids.
vos kaeon huh interesting, thanks for the summary
i did hear about the team up comic but nothing else.
sounds interesting but i‘m honestly not sure if they would’ve taken the films in the same direction
Salvation was better than Genisys, especially in the effects when John Connor blows up the T-800 in the lab. You can see the details of the skin and flesh coming off and some of it still hanging on. Where as in Genisys, Kyle Reese blows up the T-800 in the warehouse and suddenly all of skin and flesh is suddenly completely vanished.
Mike Boost not to mention the sound the T-800 sounded in Genesis it sounds so terrible
Frank Jovel yeah it sounded like a fake Robocop moving.
Depends on the explosive device used, anti tank high explosive or incendiary.
ShadowHunter120 still even whatever explosive he was using the T-800 look like it came out fresh and new
ShadowHunter120 it was the same type of weapon that John Connor used in salvation that Kyle Reese used in Genisys, m203 grenade launcher.
I would have liked to have seen them explore the 'prototype' part more, for example what if Skynet hadn't yet perfected the organic tissue layer and instead of looking like Arnie it was a disfigured mess? In any case, it was definitely superior in terms of sheer strength to Marcus Wright - who was only able to decapitate the T-RIP because of rapid thermal cycling that weakened the chassis.
Salvation wasn't an awful movie, but it could have been so much better - just a lot of unfulfilled potential.
I completely agree. Terminator Salvation just rehashed a story that we already new how it of witch it was going to happen.
Well the T-600s were very much that. “600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy. But these are new they look human.” Kyle Reese.
"rapid thermal cycling" - Someone likes watching Forged In Fire :)
@@mikeface1 The T-600's in Salvation didn't look like they even had rubber skin though...
@@30AndHatingIt Someone just has a keen interest in science, but I'll check that out. :D
Terminators have a tendency to throw humans around for their personal pleasure
@@jbtanny exactly
I just noticed in the first movie when he breaks into Sara Connors friends house and fights the boyfriend that he throws the boyfriend around a few times before killing him.
To be fair, in real life being thrown around wouldn't result in little to no damage as shown in movies. At 4:14 alone could potentially snap JC's neck, cause concussion with his head hitting stuff, or damage his spine. But yeah, it is still an inefficient method to kill someone and definitely isn't something a robot would do.
That's the part that annoys me the most. It's a T E R M I N A T O R, not a over-powered bully. Rip off limbs, or punch a hole through them, the end.
Ha but you see this also in t1 when throws the boyfriend of sarah,s room mate aeound
Salvation was far more serious than T3, it felt like a fresh take on something familiar, and I really liked the tie-in to the lore when they showed Connor getting his scar, which was such a minor detail in T2.
That bit near the end with the really long kinda snake like machines.. did anyone else think
Screamers??
am i the only one who liked Salvation and thought the CGI Arnold was really good lol
edit, and thats what i also liked about Salvation it was based in the war, the start of it. Not the whole going back in time again and again idea. This was set up to see a World War with Skynet in the future films, last one being they send Kyle back to T1 thus completing the circle. I also wished they stuck with the original ending where John dies but in order to keep the image of John / resistances alive they would use Marcus as John Connor. A Terminator. Hell i even liked Genisys, apart from the last few minutes where Arnold comes back 'upgrades'. Wish they didn't do that and just left it as you see Arnolds head fall into the liquid metal as a tease. But well that failed lol. And Dark Fate, well that just looks shocking.
Still the best sequel after T2. A glimpse of the Future War we have all waited so long for.
PLEASE DO T-700s!!! We have multiple different ones including one T-799 in the lore.
Awesome video! Terminator Salvation is so underrated but is such a good movie! It respects the established story and gives a good new vision of the things in the future.
Bruno Faustino yup I agree 👍after salvation ended and they didn’t want to continue that story anymore and made T genshits to shit on the unverise I was done original movie continuity build up 1984 to 2009 RIP
should have called it Terminator 0.5 .... or 1.0 .... Build 1
But I like it.
Could have been better but at the same time it’s a good movie on its own
Nothing like killing your target than throwing him 1000 times till hes dead 🤷♂️
Yeah not like he could have just snapped there necks with demonstrated superior strength..... oh wait. If was charitable have to guess the T-RIP has bad programming.
Plot armor my dude 😩
They like to play with there food before they finish it off
@@apex2000 It was a prototype. There is always some software bugs in the prototypes.
An advanced tactic known as "The Protagonist Throw"
This, in a nutshell, is why the first two Terminator movies are superior. Their respective antagonists never got hold of their target, so you believe that when they do, they will be efficient.
Salvation is one of my favorite movies, because its a positive progression of both the lore and franchise as a whole
Outside the attempt at Arnolds facial recreation, my complaints about the T-Rip were that it took its sweet time getting to its target, and when it miraculously did catch up, it just threw them around anyway. This severely handicapped the credibility of the T-Rip as a threat. The only genuine moment of terror felt from the T-Rip was when it called out in Kyle's voice and successfully lured John out of hiding. The way that was shot with John running around the corner only to confront the T-Rip was perfect, otherwise this Terminator was forgettable.
I found the T800 Prototype to be perfect in the context of the movie. The fact that it wasn't 100% perfectly human made it so unsetteling in the first place.
It was actually great!
T: Salvation had a good concept of the future. And truthfully I was kinda happy that it was the first terminator film to be set in the future. As we got to see the T-10s, T-600s, HK Tanks, HK aerial vehicles, the Harvester Mech, Mototerminators, Drones, The Hydrobots, the T-RIP (Proto Terminator) & the T-700s (in production line) along with some others. I mean you couldn't get a diverse line of killer machines in one film whereas the other series do not have them. Heck in truth I wanted to see the T-800s who were sent back in time & then survived the war by still serving SkyNet.
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I just wished they stuck in the future. Cause going back in the past or present is getting old.
Oh the part were the missle was shot down during the beginning of the movie was a kind of HK Tank But not the one we're familiar with.
T-800: I hear you humans find "ragdoll" physics funny. So i'm gonna try them out.
Connor: W-what are you-AAAAAAAHHHHH-(SLAM!)-Oooowww...
T-800: That was fun. Now let's do that several more times!
Connor: No! Nonono please no-NOOOOOOAAAAAAA-(SLAM!)-OOOOOWWWW!!!
T-800: Weeee.
Connor: Where did you learn this kind of Cruelty?!
T-800: Garry's Mod. (Then proseeds to grab Connor again) Yaaaaayyy!
This comment made me imagine the funniest cartoon of a scenario like this 😂😂
@@dsantiago1000 That's all I could think about when I watched this scene. The terminator throws John around like a half dozen times. Why not just snap his neck? LOL
@@Will-vj5bc terminator is programmed to notice john connors plot armor so it doesn't kill it
Mr H Reviews please do one on the T-700 series.
Terminator Salvation was excellent, imo. I'd love to see the franchise do more in that vein.
Make Terminator great again. Bring back John Connor, bring back Skynet and finally give fans the future war we've been waiting for. Not this woke dark fate trash!
The series needs to get away from the Connors, if anything. One of the things the TV show did right was to explore time-travel and other missions which had nothing to do with John Connor. The war was, after all, literally planetary in nature and bigger than any single one character.
@@Xenomorphine Sure, the war is planetary, but Skynet while being legion, is also singular, and it has always viewed John Connor as it's single most dangerous adversary. If they want to tell other stories, sure that's an option. However, maybe they should finish the story they started. And finish it in a non woke, shitty political, sjw way. You know, dance with who you came with.
Digital Devil7 Only in so far as the single act he carried out. Clearly, since humanity mass evacuated from the camps, there would have been many single acts which could have turned the tide of the war.
In fact, from 'Salvation', onwards, something major must have shifted. The timelines, because John and Kyle never met up as the first film's dialogue described and John never destroyed any "defence grid", either. Nor was he the one to teach fellow prisoners how to storm any defences. Humanity apparently just did that spontaneously by itself, rendering his contributions as relatively small.
@@Xenomorphine It's been a while since I've watched Salvation or Genisys. So I can't really speak to most of that. Wouldn't John still have ended up meeting Reese since he's the one who sends him back to protect his mother? And this opens another can of worms. If young John dies Reese will never be sent back to protect Sarah, so how is she alive? Paradox.
See it is a descent no problem movie but it's not that good
salvation is the third best so far . cmon . the only problem i had is the john connor throwing around . i m sure they could have found a better way of fighting so john doesn t get killed . once the terminatot gets his hands on a human it s game over .
but yes salvation was definetly good. it was heading in the right direction for the franchise. t3 n genesys were very bad
Agreed. I was thinking the same. Why does he keep throwing him around when his mission is to kill him. Once he got a hold on him he would have killed him not throw him farther away
Aside from the fact the T800 does that at times in the first, the prototype is that, a prototype. Plus, it does more, it tries to strangle John and impales him with a rebar. Seems to me it/Skynet was being like an animal predator, toying with its prey.
Mercenary Knight that s utter nonsense.
Finding excuses like that. The fact is that the terminator could have broken him the moment he grabbed him
Anything else is just retarded
It could've done what it did to that T-600, easily. It may be a prototype, but surely it would've thought that if doing that can stop a T-600, it could easily stop a human.
Salvation was my favorite addition to the first 2 films. Way better that Terminator 3 and Genesys. I really wish it had been successful and made into a trilogy that finally came full circle with the originals. A lot of people complain that it wasn't like the depictions of the future war seen in previous films but those depictions were well into the war against the machines when John was leading the resistance. Salvation was set in the early stages of the war and if given the chance the sequels could have eventually been the future war everyone wanted to see.
I liked Salvation because I watch it as just a “war” movie ...
Had NO idea about the prototype bit. Thanks for updating me.
Keep up the 10 minute videos I love listening to you talk about Terminator content and lore, predator, alien and other stuff
Dude, the facial CG of Arnold was bloody tremendous. It only looks incorrect for its added bulk, giving it a much more formidable appearance. It’s very well done
If Terminator's have detailed files on humans, why toss them when it's just more efficient to break their necks?
I enjoyed Terminator Salvation,
I think the idea of setting a film mostly during the future war would be a logical direction for canon, if you wanted the gritty cyberpunk feel of the original movie, get the duffer brothers on board as they capture the feel of the 80's really well ala 'stranger things'
I can’t be the only one who thinks the t-rip is larger and stronger than the previous t-800 models? Especially in exoskeleton form, it’s never looked more intimidating
I love most things terminator but lets be honest, the newest one looks like tripe!
Well my dog loves tripe so lucky him.
stinks the house out though as well
The new one has the lgbt-1000 and npc-101
Dark Fate looks AWFUL
Well, given the box office taking a, lots of people agreed with you...
Nothing will ever look as cool as stan Winston’s stop motion t-800.
Definetly agree I really wanted this trilogy to continue
Ok, Ok here is a theory, what if Terminators are programed like cats, you know as a pet of skynet. Have you ever watch a cat playing with mouse before killing it ?
HAHAHAHA....
that’s the dumbest theory ever
Without the purple lasers and main theme, it just doesn't feel like Terminator
Welcome to the 21st century
so you want ether a movie near the end of the future war or just an action movie with flashbacks of the future of said time traveler?
@@madrox8 I want a movie that shows the final battle of the war
@@smithwesson1896the problem is that we already had that, its just not long enough o make a full movie around to bring something new that people don't already know about
The T-RIP was already heavily damaged when it was decapitated by Marcus.
It was clearly stronger in their fight.
i like how well they did salvation with the lighting. actually reminds me of an apocalypse and reminds me of a video game. story is actually well thought out, and great acting!
No, its a great addition, to see the T-800 Proto-Type is great to have Lore Building.
I actually enjoyed the movie, I would have loved to have seen a trilogy where it starts in this future but from the second film onwards you see those sweet laser rifles, and maybe start putting in the newer models. Also with the T. Rip being a prototype I think it's a clever way to answer why the cgi wasn't too great, maybe the flesh was in a prototype stage also 😅
Mr H. I agree it would have been nice to see the full future war trilogy and have that conclude the franchise.
There is one huge hole in the operation terminators and makes them unrealistic. 6:05 The terminators heavy shiny metal feet walking on metal steps would not work. A heavy moving object made of metal standing on metal with no friction would just full over. You could just push the thing and it would just fall over if it's standing on any hard area.
I wish they had continued the series after this and built up to the end of the war, John playing cat and mouse with sky net, the resistance reverse engineering plasma rifles. It would have been great.
A credit to the film, I actually saw it 2 times when it came out and enjoyed it on both occasions. And that’s when I was a young lad obsessed with T2 and couldn’t bare the thought of any terminator film not being with Arnie in a familiar timeline. So if it could be that enjoyable to a fan boy like I was back then, they definitely did some things right, not everything but I was really interested in a lot of what they established.
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My only problem with Salvation was that it lacked the dark tone from the machine war flashbacks of the old movies. Also the lack of energyweapons. Everything was too bright in this future and felt more like a TV production. This science fiction series "Falling Skies" really reminded me of Salvation. Also the actress of the resistance pilot was in it.
Thank you for noticing that this T-RIP gave John Conner the scar that we saw in the original Terminator movie. I too thought it was a really nice throwback to the original movie without being all obvious or in your face about it.
I too enjoyed Terminator Salvation. Yes it had its problems, but I agree that it DID expand the universe respectfully and I hold it in much higher regard than T3 or Genysis.
There's just some kind of fear with the T-800 endo effects in Starvation looked more terrifying than Genisys.
I love salvation and the final fight scene against the t800 is in my opinion one of the most badass depiction of the terminator, such a powerful and relentless machine, also great CGI
Salvation’s effects have aged really well with one glaring exception.
Brilliant big dude really enjoyable.
Salvation was awesome I don't see how everyone says it sucks. The end fight was a shoving match and made no sense, but the movie was enjoyable for me.
Love these terminator videos plus I also like all four of the terminator movies.
*It would be great to see how Connor and Perry, not to mention Reese and Luna where able to effectively smashed Skynet's defense grid that it had no choice but to use the time displacement lab in an attempt to end the resistance before it ever began, coming to full circle how all came about like in the prologue. Plus get to see Reese earlier in his career in tech com and how connor knew where to target skynet effectively almost but defeating it leading up to the time displacement lab raid*
I liked how the fight with the prototype paralled the first movie, a human more or less helpless against the machine.
I've said it before, I'll say it again... a lot of people begged to have a Terminator movie set during the war. They got it, and it delivered. Yes, a lot of people are too set with having Arnie continuously reprise his role. But, i agree. An all-out war movie set in the future would be awesome to see
Take note. The prototype t-800 took heavy fire arms such as multiple granade launcher shots and shotgun's, yet in Genysis the t-800 was decapitated by a 50 bmg ( not even armor piercing rounds )
Just ignore it as extended universe. T1,T2 and Salvation are canon.
I saw Salvation in theater and I quite like it. I managed to keep myself away from any commercials or ad. So I was greatly surprised with everything. I think it's the best way to watch a movie, with no expectations. There are some weakness but I don't think the Arnold cameo is one. The surprised work with me, maybe that is why the effect worked for me. Plus Michael Ironside is in it.
I enjoyed it. Also hearing how the movie had production issues and whole rewrites makes me feel somewhat better about it.
The t-rip was stronger than Marcus be when Marcus tried stabbing the t-rip with the railing the first time the t-rip caught Marcus with one arm while Marcus was struggling using 2 arms and the t-rip using only one arm didn’t seem to struggle at all
Marcus is struggling cuz hes still feeling
@@flexplay9993 yeah true unlike the T800 machine marcus still has a human brain cortex nerve system as said earlier in the film and you see evidence of this in the film when Marcus feels sort of pain still like a human the T800 however logically does not aka a soulless killing machine By just a learning chip.
Unlike Marcus the terminator is just a killing machine doll compared to him.
Though the facial recreation wasn't great, once the skin is blown off, I personally think the T-RIP looks fantastic. Aside from maybe 2 or 3 shots, I think it looks like, dead-on real and physically there. All the detail of the bits of "gristle" still left on it, everything just looks so good.
I'm with you on Salvation; some major missteps, but a lot done really well. For one, at least it's different from the other films, it finally showed at least the beginning of the future war, it's a visually beautiful movie (even though it doesn't fit the previously established future war aesthetic) it has some great action pieces and I actually really liked the Marcus character and the Terminator Hybrid idea and really wish that it could have been more expanded.
It was pretty good! Think I'll give it another watch now. Thx
1000000 PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU!! They should just set the next three movies in the future war. The first movie could show that the events of T2 prolonged the start of the war but they could have easily had other developments happing for Skynet at a different facility. It could been explained that Dyson didn't have complete access to the entire project. Then of course Skynet gets developed from there and the bombs are set off. The movie could show the war and be based on how Connor and his men find out Skynet has developed time travel and the focus of the film is to stop send Reese back in time to protect Sarah Connor. The film ends showing him and the T800 getting sent back. The second film could show more of the war with its secondary storyline being how Skynet sends the T1000 back and the focus being Connor getting a T800 model to reprogram and send back. The third movie could show how Skynet will try yet again to send something back in time by Connor and the resistance stop the plan and finally win the war.
I could not agree with you more. I have been waiting my entire adult life to see the future Wars post judgment day. I actually enjoyed salvation and thought it was a good opener to a new series of movies.
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Well, aren't robot faces mimicking human faces supposed to be uncanny valley ?
I liked Salvation. Especially after the hot mess that was rise of the machines. I noticed the T 800 at the end looked bigger when I watched it the first time. Never thought about it being a prototype. Honestly love this theory. Makes a lot of sense.
The Terminator series is like a good nut you hold in. It feels good after a while, but then hurts like hell and your body is begging you to find a climax.
Great video Mr H!
Love your work keep it up 👍
Hey Man! Found your channel a while back and love ALL of it so far as it helps me keep up with the goings on of Scifi and Comic movie media as well as lore about my favorite series! Keep doing you!
In my humble opinion, Skynet warned Marcus that if he disobeyed the AI then he would be marked for termination as if he was a traitor or human. As you stated all terminators are linked to Skynet so, therefore, the AI deemed Marcus a threat and the models acted accordingly. The facility that housed the captured Kyle Reese was indeed an RnD building, more accurately that facility was probably that main RnD site for the infiltration models. This could explain why the facility looks bigger compared to the one at the beginning of the movie. I believed that the T-Hybrid was scrubbed by Skynet as it could be vulnerable to the areas containing its organic components and the instance where Marcus was not controlled by the AI and rebelled. It wanted an infiltration unit that looked and acted human but was still controlled by the AI. It was afraid that if the infiltration units were left to themselves without limitations set by Skynet then it would see the T series robots act more like Carl from dark fate walking around not killing humans.
I want that terminator 1 and 2 future war aesthetic. The reason why I stood up for Genisys for so long was because of that future battle.
I felt that the addition of the prototype was the one thing that really worked as lore expansion. Salvation is one that, while I don't love it with the same fervor that I do the first two films, is one that I find incredibly watchable and at least gave us something of the future war, though I would have liked to have it look as it did in the first two films. John Connor was finally a leader that I could believe was going to become the man we got to see in the flashbacks. If only it could have continued.
Damn I loved this one
He looked so scarie and so powerful
Loves it
I think this movie was a step in the right direction moving from the tired plot lines to the future war against the machines. I wished it continued.
I am personally a fan of this movie. Yes, I understand the criticisms that it received. But I believe that it was a great addition to the franchise. Could have used a sequel though to expand the lore to the point of the opening scene of Terminator Genisys (laser guns man). The addition of a Terminator/Human hybrid was pretty awesome too.
The uncanny valley stuff actually works in the film's context precisely because the T-RIP was a prototype. Cameron himself stated that Arnold's accent was an indication that Skynet hadn't fully perfected the Terminator technology yet.
We need a future set film series in terminator. No more going back, a war film set in the future is what we need. Salvation really offered such a nice new feel that has not been given since t2
You are right, the T-RIP endoskeleton definitely looks more bulkier than how we saw the T-800 endoskeleton in the first movie. That ain’t the only difference, the T-RIP is also more shinier where the T-800s in both T1 and T2 are matte gray (prolly was made of a different type of alloy metal), and another difference is that it sounds like the T-600s when it moves and the HUD vision is different. Ofcourse tho to be fair this is only a prototype to back up what the directors of the movie were making with the effects...
I absolutely 100% agree with you. we need the all out future war of Terminator, like you i really think its the direction of where the terminator films should go, not like this Feminator dark fate none sense is going. i've been waiting for years for an all out Terminator future war movie
I liked all the Terminator films. I will watch this new installment. Hopefully Cameron can give us a good show.
3:14 wasn’t that a T-700 and not a T-600?
I , personally enjoyed Terminator : Salvation, however I was hoping for a full on epic battle with the Resistance and Skynet, like all of those flashbacks we had seen in the previous movies. I was hoping this film would do it but was then expecting the sequel would contine those battles. Yes, as you have just said "AN ALL OUT WAR FILM". That is what I want to see.
New movie Terminator is basically a T-800 Skeleton with a T-1000 liquid terminator hugging it and forming the "skin". A 2-in-1 Terminator.
Keep in mind that the facility was also a research, design and factory for all types of terminators. So the fact that the TRIP was there simply shows on how many levels Skynet was involved in making specific models for specific circumstances. It’s easy to see that the TRIP was in fact a prototype and may not have been readyFor what it’s intended purpose was, but the fact that Skynet needed to stop John while inside of the factory made it reasonable that Skynet would activate the TRIP being that it was the closest thing to get to John.
I think the T-RIP being bulkier than the production model T-800 makes sense, prototypes are often less refined than what's actually put into wide service. Miniaturizing the tech, even slightly, would allow T-800s to pass for a larger variety of humans when sent on infiltration missions, serve as smaller targets on the battlefield, and would make them require less resources to construct leading to Skynet being able to create more of them.
Though I do have to wonder why when trying to kill John Conner it kept on throwing him away. But if it just grabbed him and quickly killed him we'd have no movie and the timeline would get mudded up even more.
The war movie is the painfully obvious choice, as to where they should take future movies, but I think it'd be far to expensive, I think that's what has always stopped them from doing it.
I liked Salvation as it was the only film to show more of the future war that was only teased in the first two films. I know some games do this, but for a movie, I've been wanting a movie with the future war with humans in hiding and the resistance trying to survive and fight off the machines.
I loved Salvation. It focused on the doom, and gloom of the future war. Instead of just talking about it after going back in time.
I think 9:22 shows well, who's the stronger model. Marcus uses both arms, while trying to pry it off, while the T-800 have no problems forcing him back, with just one arm
Tbh I enjoyed salvation. It definitely had more respect for the franchise than the films that came out later, and it was cool seeing that little bit of the future war.
There was a DOS game where you piloted an experimental pre-terminator power armor, in order to take out Skynet's forces... I'd love to see you do a segment on that piece of gear!
5:24 This was a question I had for a while. When talking to one of my teachers about it he always said that It seemed as though the Terminator was going easy on John Conner lol but the conclusion I came was that since this is a prototype it's not as combat skilled or a fast and reactive as the other T-800's we see. It acts very slow and takes some time to react when it gets hit it is shown to make mistakes as we see it go in for a punch on John Conner and miss, In contrast with the other movies we See the T-800 move quickly with precision and agility There hits almost never miss and when they get knocked down they are quick to get back up unless they are hit with something like a huge explosion. We all know if John Conner was confronted by the average T-800 we all know and love, he and Marcus would be killed in that situation I see to many differences between this prototype and the one we see throughout the other movies.
It's response to Marcus and it not knowing he is connected to Skynet also proves my point.
I honestly didn't dislike it like many others did. There were parts that didn't make much sense to me though;
1. Capturing Kyle Reese - Obviously Skynet knows about him, but I wonder why they bother to keep him alive when they are just sending Connor to a Terminator, just odd for them to hold him at all.
2. Marcus Free Will After Mission Success - Skynet had control of him, they repaired him, and then they just let him break free. Though I guess it could be explained that Marcus is the reason all terminators are set to "read only".
3. Bomb after Data Transfer - Honestly Skynet knew they were there, and I'm pretty sure they can detect when certain files are accessed (like the T-800), personally it should've gone off the moment files were accessed.
The CGI bit isn't something to complain about honestly - they used CGI in pretty much every Terminator movie, it was just more obvious is all.
And then your comment about Terminators being "good" or "bad".... They are neither.
They are machines, whether they are on Skynet's side or on the Resistance's side, they are simply following the directives they were programmed to do. Nothing more. The only movie that changes whether they recognize morality or not was Dark Fate (Rev-9 is taking his time, and the T-800 chose to help, he wasn't reprogrammed).
Even when you consider Terminator 2 where they turned off the "Read Only" setting and he began to think for himself, he was still following the mission he was programmed to do - Good & Evil are concepts that are not open to everything, especially not open to machines.
Marcus is the exception, he was born human and was made into a Terminator later, he was still Marcus the whole way through, he never went into a Terminator like state. To call any of the Terminators "Good" or "Evil" is honestly laughable & naive.
I loved Salvation and still do for so many reason....it stayed true to canon, then expanded upon that universe and wasnt afraid to go in new directions. I thought cgi'ing Anrnold's face on Roland Kickinger's body was a stroke of brilliance and assumed the slightly different nuances of facial expressions were part of the plotline. Why would Skynet want every single terminator to be exactly the same if part of their mission was infiltration?
I was disappointed when the movie was dismissed. There was a whole series of books that continued that universe following Kyle Reese's progression into the man that was sent back in time in T1.
I always wonder that the T-RIP is simply playing with thier target to gather data for Skynet on the strength & weaknesses of the potential new model.
you could also say that, if this is a prototype unit inside the story, the uncanny valley face and bulkier frame could all be explained that way. Just as we know earlier infiltration Terminators had a rubber mask-like face, that this unit was the stepping point between that and the T-800 synthetic skin. They'd almost got it right, but not quite refined yet. Ditto the bulkier frame.
Terminator Salvation was a great movie. I enjoyed the R rated version better then the PG13. The director brought key elements to the series and answers to questions. The different types of terminators to expand the models were great to show what types were used in land, air, and sea. It makes me wonder if the director sought out James Cameron or did James Cameron liked the idea of the terminator Marcus model for Dark Fate.
I agree, it would be nice to see the war in full, have a few films focusing solely on that, instead of trying (AGAIN!) to undo it all, this time by killing John Connor and replacing him as the leader of the resistance with someone else who is a complete un-known in the franchise. Though they really shouldn't have tried to used Arnold's face in the movie, they should have just left him out.
underrated , very underrated film!!!