357mag has higher case capacity for powder...357sig has higher pressure rating than 357mag....357sig is rated for 40k psi and proof loads higher than that..
Also 357 Sig is max loaded with 40,000psi while 357 Mag has 35,000psi as max pressure. Many complain about the blast of 357 Sig. But since there is no cylinder gap like with the 357 Mag revolvers it still must be less . Or is it the higher pressure?
Is it not a popular round because it's so expensive or is it just the opposite? I contemplated buying a piece in that caliber but I don't want to have order all my a_m_m_o on line. I never see it on the shelves.
I would say its a circular problem. Not popular so its expensive, then its expensive cause its not popular. Weirdly, i think the bottle neck design makes ppl feel funny about it. It looks odd.
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. 357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65gr Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside. Keep in mind that mag dumping 9mm into a target may not be justifiable. Back in the old days when the revolver was supreme, you were trained to take two shots and then assess the effectiveness. Essentially those first two shots may be justifiable, but the next 15 shots may not be. Again with that in mind, a more powerful caliber will require less shots to stop a threat, while decreasing the chances of any wrongdoing. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you? 10mm vs 357 Sig, both properly loaded out of a compact barrel are equal in power. Out of the same full size length barrel lightly loaded (weak) 357 Sig is more powerful than lightly loaded (weak) 10mm. Properly loaded 10mm out of a full size is more powerful than properly loaded 357 Sig but at that point 10mm is typically more expensive than 357 Sig. But for urban carry 357 Sig is highly enjoyable to carry. I love 10mm, especially in 155gr and under but the firearms need to be larger to outshine 357 Sig. For woods with larger predators I would absolutely chose 10mm over 357 Sig but truthfully if I was going into said woods, would 10mm be enough? I would have to step in up to 44 Mag. 10mm is in a position that has little use for me even with it being the awesome round that it is. Unless I was carrying a 4.5-5” full size in urban areas but that would be overkill with what 357 Sig achieves.
Thanks for good useful information. This is exactly what I do. I practice with 9mm I use 45.50 rounds, then I put .40 s&w I use 25 rounds. Then I put on the .357 sig and fire 10 rounds. carry the .357 sig for me it is better for self defense.
I dont think that 357 Sig will make a comeback. Even the Secret Service used it but went with 9mm now. No one say 9mm is equal to 40S&W or 357 Sig but its good enough. At least that is their point of view. There are no guns in production in 357 Sig. Just Glock has the Gen 4 357 Sigs didnt even updated for the Gen 5. It was a kind of surprise that they updated the 27/23/22 to Gen 5. But 40S&W also was much more popular than 357 Sig.
@@Gieszkanne truthfully speaking, it doesn’t even ever have to make a comeback. It will always be available. During the pandemic when you couldn’t find 9 mm guess what 357 was available. And even with those cases aside, you will always be able to get 357 if you wanted it. Does it cost more money? Sure but only the best for my family and I.
@@TransformersHoarder We are talking about two different things here. 357 Sig for pistols in production is almost dead. But of course you can still get ammo for much more exotic calibers that never were a thing like 9 mm Ultra/Police. Fiocci is the only one that offer ammo in that caliber. I guess in your life time you will not experience that no manufacturer will offer 357 Sig.
@@blicky35 man i wanted that c model but couldn’t find one. Make a video, crono the speed with Remington green and white box. I will crono mine and we will compare comp vs non.
Glock 31...32 & 33 owner here...and shield 357sig...LOVE the caliber!!
How big difference in carry size feeling g31vs g32?
@@Alex1Tremo it's the same size as glock 19
@@kevinrichardson8859 is 31 vood 4 edc iwb?
@@Alex1Tremo 32 is honestly better
Great choice, my brother... We need more people to get into this caliber.
too expensive to train & practice with.
@nolagospeltracts8264 It's too expensive for broke people. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ All ammo is expensive, along with everything else in Joe Bidens America.
Glock 31 owner here as well and love the round. I definitely wish it was more popular.
The most concise way of explaining 357SIG is this, it's a 9mm cartridge but for straight men.
One week ago today (last Friday) I picked up my new Glock 31 .357 Sig just like you have here. I love that pistol & I am a big fan of.357 Sig
not sure why it never caught on ... great penetration and great expansion ...
357Sig is my Fav caliber ....
Best gun for human sized issues
357mag has higher case capacity for powder...357sig has higher pressure rating than 357mag....357sig is rated for 40k psi and proof loads higher than that..
Taxes taxes! If only Federal income taxes were legal. That’s the bitch of it. Good video.
Also 357 Sig is max loaded with 40,000psi while 357 Mag has 35,000psi as max pressure. Many complain about the blast of 357 Sig. But since there is no cylinder gap like with the 357 Mag revolvers it still must be less . Or is it the higher pressure?
Federal hst and gold dots are good too
I absolutely love my 31 😎
U recomend it 4 edc iwb?
It was like I was saying it myself
Yeah, I accidentally ordered 3_5_7 sig ammo before. it was almost impossible to find the magnum back in 2020.
Is it not a popular round because it's so expensive or is it just the opposite? I contemplated buying a piece in that caliber but I don't want to have order all my a_m_m_o on line. I never see it on the shelves.
I would say its a circular problem. Not popular so its expensive, then its expensive cause its not popular.
Weirdly, i think the bottle neck design makes ppl feel funny about it.
It looks odd.
Maybe because the rounds too powerful? That’s why it’s not to talked about , but yeah as a 357 SIG. Owner, it’s really expensive.
Here in Commifornia we can't get newer then gen 3 glocks😢
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.
Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter.
It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage.
It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots.
357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths.
Underwood has a 357 Sig 65gr Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear.
One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion.
I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round.
Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round.
9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times.
I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down.
In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside.
Keep in mind that mag dumping 9mm into a target may not be justifiable. Back in the old days when the revolver was supreme, you were trained to take two shots and then assess the effectiveness. Essentially those first two shots may be justifiable, but the next 15 shots may not be. Again with that in mind, a more powerful caliber will require less shots to stop a threat, while decreasing the chances of any wrongdoing.
There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
10mm vs 357 Sig, both properly loaded out of a compact barrel are equal in power. Out of the same full size length barrel lightly loaded (weak) 357 Sig is more powerful than lightly loaded (weak) 10mm. Properly loaded 10mm out of a full size is more powerful than properly loaded 357 Sig but at that point 10mm is typically more expensive than 357 Sig. But for urban carry 357 Sig is highly enjoyable to carry. I love 10mm, especially in 155gr and under but the firearms need to be larger to outshine 357 Sig. For woods with larger predators I would absolutely chose 10mm over 357 Sig but truthfully if I was going into said woods, would 10mm be enough? I would have to step in up to 44 Mag. 10mm is in a position that has little use for me even with it being the awesome round that it is. Unless I was carrying a 4.5-5” full size in urban areas but that would be overkill with what 357 Sig achieves.
Thanks for good useful information.
This is exactly what I do.
I practice with 9mm I use 45.50 rounds, then I put .40 s&w I use 25 rounds. Then I put on the .357 sig and fire 10 rounds. carry the .357 sig for me it is better for self defense.
I dont think that 357 Sig will make a comeback. Even the Secret Service used it but went with 9mm now. No one say 9mm is equal to 40S&W or 357 Sig but its good enough. At least that is their point of view. There are no guns in production in 357 Sig. Just Glock has the Gen 4 357 Sigs didnt even updated for the Gen 5. It was a kind of surprise that they updated the 27/23/22 to Gen 5. But 40S&W also was much more popular than 357 Sig.
@@Gieszkanne What you wrote unfortunately is true!
@@Gieszkanne truthfully speaking, it doesn’t even ever have to make a comeback. It will always be available. During the pandemic when you couldn’t find 9 mm guess what 357 was available. And even with those cases aside, you will always be able to get 357 if you wanted it. Does it cost more money? Sure but only the best for my family and I.
@@TransformersHoarder We are talking about two different things here. 357 Sig for pistols in production is almost dead. But of course you can still get ammo for much more exotic calibers that never were a thing like 9 mm Ultra/Police. Fiocci is the only one that offer ammo in that caliber. I guess in your life time you will not experience that no manufacturer will offer 357 Sig.
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This guy just yaps.
Looks like its time you to buy a glock 31, and make some content.
I’ll be waiting to watch.
@@sandozman6085 I own a Gen 4 Glock 31C.
@@blicky35 man i wanted that c model but couldn’t find one. Make a video, crono the speed with Remington green and white box. I will crono mine and we will compare comp vs non.
40 S&W is more powerful... .357 sig is a gimmick.
@@power_of_Christ_God math is real.
@@sandozman6085357 mag is king!
Bullshit