Facile Furret vs Roaring Raticate
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
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2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, or save states
4. No movepool evasion-boosting moves before level 100*
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-- I make no attempt to have the exact same rule details between generations.
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- Evasion boosting is allowed if the move is not obtained from the Pokemon’s movepool. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed.
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1 & 4, banned in gen2, and allowed only to bypass terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
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-- The footage is sped up & slowed down to match the pace of my narration
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If you're new around here, Venomoth is a Psychic/Flying type, you can't change my mind.
Rollout: Hello handsome, Fury Cutter: Help human resources
Fury cutter is underrated
I hope furret wins. little known fact, furret is actually the coolest pokemon ever, and recently won a furret only smogon tournament.
Woah nice to see people bring interesting mons to a metagame!
This is incredible. Getting to associate with a super star like Furret is unbelievable.
Lol, This gave me a good laugh when I needed one, thank you.
Last time I was this early Venomoth was Psychic/Flying
Thought it was a dragon/fairy
@@kalkkar Nah it's obviously rock/fire
Guys, Guys... Look at it, it is obviously Grass Dragon with how it resist grass moves and dies so fast to bug moves.😅
Mah gooshness, y'all are so silly. It's so obviously sound/cosmic type!
@justsomeone3926 Rock/Fire? Youre talking about its Hoennian form. Orginal one is Metal/Thunder.
Fun fact: out of Furret, Raticate and Gligar one of these pokemon can't learn mud-slap, guess which one
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh................ is it Furret? Or Radicate? There's no way Gamefreak wouldn't give such an obvious move to the premier ground type of Johto.
(#Obvious-sarcasm-is-obvious)
* Sad non-learner noises *
He can in gen 9 fight me bro
I feel like the chess scale, by its nature, is a very pre-hoc sorta scale, very decision focused as opposed to results focused. Sometimes you'll see a game where 4 moves in a row are blunders from both sides, ultimately not changing the game state a ton. These moves are still bad, even if your overall outcome was still good. This does kinda fit pokemon, and i like how this accounts for how a decision is impactred by tge things that /could/ have happened
Also Ideal is a potential alternative to the term optimal path. Optimality implies that something is an option, a possibility, but many pokemon simply can't take the ideal path!
The IT crowd reference….
You had me the moment I saw the meme.
The Walking pokemon vs the biting pokemon, this is going to be interesting
A good example of a blunder would be forgetting to castle before leaving Johto.
It's Furret Friday, folks
Lol I got the notification only about an hour or so ago (I'm at 30-ish minutes in) and your comment says it happened approximately a half hour ago.
way to make me feel old with that intro Scott. _Windows 98 sounds playing_
Other Pokemon have cleared
And earned a time to be S tiered
But I can walk!
(They can walk!)
Other Pokemon can grab
More one-hit KOs with their STAB
But I can walk!
(They can walk!)
And sure, you might expect that I might be worse
But I’ll just walk slowly and boost up as I Curse
And I’ll use Return to strike both hard and true
And walk right back to you!
Meme vs Meme, both related to some degree. This is the content we come here for.
That and any time Bruno comes in to play Red.
I love the idea of implementing chess terms in the runs ahaha!!
If Steve sees this he gonna love what you said about Price’s pilowswine fury attack
Excellent video as always =)
The splits are cool, but I think I prefer the alternating style for the first play-through.
Scott's "try not to be frustrated at not getting a run just so" challenge, impossible difficulty
Furret straight walks to place 1. One of my fav Pokemon, because it's just sooooo cute
I knew furret would run some numbers. It was a surprisingly good mon when you consider how easy it was to get and how early it evolves
Proud of Scott for remembering Quick Attack.
So at this point, I think we've sussed out the secret sauce for doing well in Crystal:
1. Be a Normal Type
2. Learn the Elemental Punches
3. Learn Amnesia
4. Don't have a dogshit starting moveset.
Fairly certain you can cut some of the prep for Whitney by using fury cutter since you’ll already have it in your bag, you don’t need to get rollout and back track. Also, not shocked that roar came up, that’s actually a strategy in competitive Pokémon called phazing, ie pseudo haze, to force out set up Pokémon, create better matchups, rack up entry hazard damage and hilarious block trick room because it’s one stage of negative priority faster. And hey, this run also supports the theory that sometimes using theoretically sub-optimal hidden power types is actually optimal.
Before watching:
Raticate just seems like the better mon, when it comes to stats. Better Attack, better special attack (which Furret could use more, given its access to the elemental punchess), better speed... Furret might be a bit bulkier, since it has more HP, but Raticate even has better special defense, so it's not even a straight forward comparison there. Raticate gets early Hyperfang, which is fricken 80 base power, while Furret gets Fury Swipes. So, Raticae will definitively have an easiert time during the early game. Raticate even gets a dark type move at level 30 to hit ghosts... So yeah, I don't see much that speaks for Furret here. My guess is, they will both play similar and fairly straight forward, and Raticate will simply have an easier time. Maybe Furret can benefit from the Elemental Punches and Surf? Fire Punch against Steelix' weaker Special Defense might be better than Raticate having to use ground moves... but this won't make much of a difference. Raticate will win.
After watching:
Well... certainly has been a while since I got anything THIS wrong.
I overestimated Raticate and seriously underestimated Furret. The fact that Furret is THIS good really caught me off-guard. I didn't consider how useful Amnesia is and how important its coverage is. I also thought Raticate would hit harder, so it could just brude force itself through the game. To be fair, it still did pretty excellent, I don't actually think I would have expected Raticate to end up higher in the ranking than it did, but I did expected Furret to do worse.
Great runs, great video as usual! Keep up the good work :-)
When I watched the live stream of aipom, I had a hypothesis that the best Pokémon in crystal might be the one that has the following stipulations. 1. Normal type for stab 2. Have Headbutt and Return 3. At least about 70 speed and attack, but whoever has the highest would do the best 4. Elemental punches, or at least ice punch for sure 5. Fast/med slow growth rate. And after looking at everyone from gens 1-2, Furret was the best that checked all those boxes. I thought that assumption was wrong since furret was the best available based on those reasons that I didn’t even comment it, but am glad to see how well it did! Hahaha
Yessss Furret! I do love that noodle, hopefully it will win the race too.
I just clicked and haven't watched the video yet, just wanted to post that Raticate is the best and will clearly win.
The fluffy scarf mon gets the top spot of the tietlist, you love to see it
For the luck-axis, I think we could just invent adequate terminology.
Say, from extremely unlucky to extremely lucky:
Disastrous -> Unlucky -> Unfavorable -> Expected -> Favorable -> Lucky -> Fortunate.
Fortunate seems too weak. but I can't think of a superlative for it. Blessed?
In the UK we might use the term “jammy” to mean someone with luck beyond what anybody thinks you deserve
So maybe jammy is the right word
I think Serendipitous is good for high positive luck
Since the Snorlax is the most inconsistent part of the Red fight, I think Toxic might be an interesting solution. Yes it can rest it away, but that stalls out it getting a crit with Body Slam making that part more consistent
Furret is unironically fantastic in Pokemon Radical Red, bro carried me through Hardcore mode.
Just under 20 minutes in and I love the chess vocabulary. I'm thinking of incorporating the scale myself now, only it might involve more colorful language.
I dunno why, but I've long had a soft spot for Furret. I just find him cute and rather overlooked for a Normal-type. Sure, he's no Diggersby (with added STAB Ground and Huge Power as his Hidden Ability), but he's still got a decently good physical movepool and decent stats for a HeartGold playthrough.
Furret is the student who doesn't even try and gets top marks and Raticate is the student who sacrifices his social life and relationships by studying to get a mediocre grade.
Excellent versus video. Furret was incredible. Poor Raticate, but A tier isn't bad.
I think in chess, a blunder loses you a piece. So a blunder would be a decision that makes you reset that could have been avoided.
Or digging out of victory road
As far as explaining how the AI works goes, there's a good deep dive into it at the start of pimanrules' "Scientifically Ranking All The Pokemon Crystal Trainers" video. Not saying that pre-empts you also making a video explaining it or anything, just thought it might be worth knowing about other similar work that's out there.
Found my shiny Ho-Oh while watching this, wanted to make sure you received appropriate contributor credits ❤
FINALLY FURRET RUN!!!!!!!
FURRET IS THE BEST
furret for the win!!!!!!!!!
You could measure luck based on the numerical chances of whatever happened for you to be lucky, whether an opponent misses or chooses a wrong move and scale it as kinda lucky, lucky, and very lucky.
Furret is a ferret, which are weasels, such as mink, otters, skunks and polecats. I see a lot of people call ferrets rodents and I don't get why since rodents have those connected buck teeth incisors while ferrets have typical carnivore teeth, no hands, fur covered tail etc.
Most people aren't concerned with categories, esp taxonomic ones, and tend towards the 'lumping' strategy. Small(ish), furry, somewhere on the negative side of the generally positively/generally negatively regarded scale. Perhaps the pointed faces make people tend to put them in the same category.
47:48 youre right about that -- there are niche uses for HP fighting even the weak af one (tyrogue)
I feel like the chess ordinal scale is a bit unnecessary. Maybe if all of your viewers played chess it would make sense to use it, but because that isn’t the case, I think using it is just making the language less clear to people who aren’t in the know. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think your past videos have had an issue with how you describe things as good.
Based on the comment you showed early in the video, it seems “great” is used for plays that are better than “excellent”. Which doesn’t feel right to me, but maybe in a broader context great is widely considered better than excellent. And if that’s not what the comment means by “Outstanding play” and it’s a different metric, then that’s a perfect example of the ambiguity this scale holds, defeating the point of using it.
I thought for sure you were going to say you used Quick Attack against Red as your weird Raticate strategy. Throughout you mentioned being outsped because of Curse strats, and reven resported to quick claw strats, so expected you solution to be to circumvent the speed issue entirely.
Now I'm actually kinda curious if Quick attack could have done enough damage to help Raticate in the Red fight
I love Raticate but Furret getting better move pool access, specifically the punches means Furret should clear easy.
Furret isn't really a rodent. It's more of a mustelid I believe.
Many people call the early game Normal types 'regional rodents' but only about a third of them are actually based on rodents. 'Regional mammal' would be a more accurate term.
Furret is not just a meme! He's the dream! (Dream solo runner)
Furret is one of my favorite Pokemon; easily in my top 10
Fortune and Misfortune would be good word descriptors for your good and bad luck when it comes to critical hits or instances where the enemy fails its attack that would've otherwise taken you out. Or instances where you would've survived but a crit or status condition compromises the battle like Burn, Freeze, or Paralysis.
Expanding that out to a scale, you could have Disastrous, Misfortune, Unlucky, Expected, Lucky, Fortunate, Serendipitous
I know it would probably be way to much work but it would be really cool to just keep adding an early route rodent the to VS video with every gen.
These results give me hope for Wigglytuff, I wouldnt expect S tier bc of her terrible starting moves.
The rat vs the ferrat
Furret's result is INSANE!
It's be interesting for a run where the level up movesets were reversed.
E.g., Raticate would start with Super Fang, then learn Pursuit, then Scary Face, etc.
Who do you think would be most fun?
9:52 for anyone wondering what changed between videos
You mention going to azalea and buying a charcoal but you know if you go into the house south of the mart in azalea you can talk to the kid who lost farfetch'd and he'll just give you a charcoal
You don't have to buy charcoal, unless it's a speed issue in which case I'd say backtracking to azeala already warrants saving money for potential move tutor moves
Man, Ratticate in gen 2 is such a shame, in the next generation it becomes an insane sweeper with Guts, but without it its just a kind if fast kind of okay physical attacker
It feels a lot better in gen1 if you ask me (I know nothing of its gen3 roles)
Instead of rare candies on Jasmine, do you think using surf there may save any time for furret? You don't have any major battles before gaining access to the move deleter, barring the rival fight. I have no calcs, but I'd assume that the 20 more base power would grant a two shot on the steelix. The learn time for amnesia may interfere though.
1:27:00 My guess for the crucial Raticate move is Attract
RAT POWER!
Also Furret is based
16:58 fun fact, in chess slang, the word often used for this is Patzer, the German word for blunder, and colloquially also meaning a bad chess player. It also happens to be my middle name, lol
Furret is my favorite Pokemon :^)
after you pick up the nevermeltice (at 48:32), do you use RockSmash, or do you walk around?
I'd argue not using the ether against morty is more like a mistake, not a blunder. My reasoning is that it doesnt add a lot of time to the run. A blunder would be something like not saving before a gym leader and losing, causing you a massive time loss. or if you face Red and have a totally wrong moveset.
Notably we shouldn't consider results when assessing the quality of a move. Not saving against a fight is intrinsically a decision balancing time to save vs the probability of loss. Its a mistake or a blunder based off how wrong that assessment is, not how much time you happened to lose
3:57 Is there supposed to be a 1 frame image of what appears to be the thumbnail for a 3-way normal type race in pokemon Crystal?
Kangshaskan will destroy everything if Furret can mange first place. Kanga is not a SLOW Exp group mon btw
Since i saw it for a very quick moment when you showed the screenshot of your community discord:
May i ask what's been the issue with Curse + Quick attack + Silk Scarf?
Is the damage range insufficient even for Charizard?
A true rat race, lets go!!
I miss Dennis. Ive never seen him in the comments
Furret was always somewhat tempting to use but stat wise I never bothered
Looking at the Tier list, i think Electabuzz is gonna be awesome in gen 2
Then Raticate vs. Linoone, right?.... right?!?!?!? Lol I think that'll be cool
Going on a limb (actually not at all) but I highly doubt chess lingo is a must to add to your vocabulary. Just a hunch.
Pinkbow (e)Raticate ftw!
Cool video love it contests
confused why you did not just teach furret ice and thunder punch immediately, since it is prefect type coverage.
Oh no, the video got reuploaded! I guess ill just have to watch it again!
Who do you think is the harder post-league final boss, Red or Steven?
Furrat 🔥🔥🔥
I'm a Raticate truther let's go Raticate 🗣️‼️
IT Crowd voice: have you tried turning it off and on again?
YES GODS YES I HAVE!
*I have, in fact, not tried to*
Regional Furret when, Game Freak?
Don't have to watch this (still will though). Furret sweeps. It's too cute to compete against.
Can you do a nidorino run please
You can get a free charcoal by going to the cut workshop after helping corralling the Farfetched. No need to spend 9k on it.
before watching i think raticate ridiculous moveset variety
Forretress & Steelix please!!
Gj Scott
Roar riolu is a real set in gen 5
Its furret friday
It's a real shame how your PP let you down.
Hi Dennis
5:36 I love Furrat, what do you mean
peak vs peak
Dennis!
Wait if Furret is this good how good is Kanghaskhan
Whats good Denis?
W Scott
speaking of communication you say "as a result" a lot lol
🍞
Wild play with the rodents today