The Coast Guard didn't mobilize for the Fitzgerald. They stated that the winds were too fast and sent two loaded freighters back out into a storm that could have done them all in. They also didn't maintain the Whitefish Point lighthouse properly, after knowing via radio transmissions that the Fitz had lost its radar and was running on visuals. Just admit your faults, don't cover them up.
@@danlowe8684 Hey thanks Dan, we all know that bureaucratic red tape can hamstring the well intentioned men and women fighting the good fight. We hope for the best and look to weed out the deadwood. I hear ya brother ...PH
Probably up forward at the 'forepeak' below the forcastle and the chain locker. The cargo holds are encapsulated by ballast tanks all around and the rat runs (passageway tunnels, also used by mariners to move fore and aft within the ship during heavy weather) which lie below and aside of them. Below the cargo holds are the double bottom tanks. The bottoms of the cargo holds look like a giant ice cube tray, and have 'gates' that open and close. These are controlled by operators during unloading and discharge of their cargo onto 1-3 conveyor belts in the belly of the ship that run 'alongships' under the cargo holds. The cargo is transported along the tunnel conveyor(s) abaft of the cargo holds and transferred into a hopper and uptake conveyor that takes the cargo up to weather deck where it moves along the boom conveyor, where it is then transported over the shipside and then discharged shoreside into hold areas or (a) receiving hopper(s).
It had left Duluth around 6AM heading to Sault Ste Marie...not sure it would have stopped at Two Harbors for anything before it suddenly diverted course to Thunder Bay
After the Fitz sank, the Canadian Coast Guard did a new survey of the bottom profile along its route and found that a rock reef extended over a mile further into the lake than the charts had previously shown. Because the radar on the Fitz was out, the Arthur Anderson, about 3 miles ahead of her, was giving them positions to chart their course from. The positions transmitted to the EF showed that they could have hit that reef when plotted on the new charts. Could there be another uncharted reef where the Michipicoten struck?
@@vet-7174 Jason Hansen (Spy and Survival Briefing) has a theory that it was a test run for a system to deliver an EMP nuke to the middle of the country.
Why didn’t they report that the GOTT, another 1000+ footer Laker, accompanied her? The GOTT went out of her way, turned around and was less than a mile from her all of the time after her call to the USCG. TERRIBLE INCOMPLETE REPORTING!
@@gwuengr2 Lake Superior is one of the deepest lakes known & is very unforgiving... There was even a song noting/written about it... It is 1 of the 5 Great Lakes Surrounding Michigan... 💜🙏
@@gwuengr2 ps The Titanic was not what sank, it was the Olympus (sister ship) & reportedly it was not an iceberg that gave it that hole & why it went down... Research who the bank ers were that passed away💜🙏
@@gwuengr2 Fyi you'll have to read the ps i originally wrote in your notifications - it appears it wasn't posted when i noted the O l y m p u s & passengers etc...
@@gwuengr2There are no icebergs in Lake Superior. The lake does not stay cold enough during summers for icebergs to be able to form, something that takes longer than a single winter to happen.
I’m glad everyone is safe. These ships only have a few crew members compared to the size….it would be super hard for them to fight leaks so I’m glad the water tight doors did their job. That being said…I read the title as “A ship carrying Taco Night” and if that was the case…they can find safe harbor at my dinner table anytime.🎉🎉🎉
@@mikemondano3624 Taconite isn't usually in the regular American English lexicon, unless one's job or hobbies take them near steel-making or shipping. I wonder if "sciolist" is in your vernacular...
@@johnbigelson7471 I suspect most people have heard of taconite. But even toddlers can tell two words from a single one unless they have water on the brain. Pretense is assuming others' ignorance.
When the Edmund Fitzgerald went down, the Arthur M. Anderson turned around from the safe bay they had just entered and went back out directly into the storm.
@@GWNorth-db8vn yes I know - the Anderson is one of my fave ships for that reason - the videos show the weather being reasonable for the Michipicoten thank goodness
For those reading the captions: Mission Pecan = Michipicoten Also Michoacan = Michipicoten I'm not sure why a caption writer would spell the ship name wrong, twice. But it is written right there on the hull of the ship.
@ThananLebb-yd4lh for one doesn't make me American. Tacos are a common thing internationally. So there claims your IQ. Another note our family is strictly whole foods and organic. Twit
Ever been on one of those old Freighters? Its frightening. The hold where store's are kept flex's and creaks with the Water. You have to have Ballz of Steel too work the Lakes on one of those.
Probably up forward at the 'forepeak' below the forcastle and the chain locker. The cargo holds are encapsulated by ballast tanks all around and the rat runs (passageway tunnels, also used by mariners to move fore and aft within the ship during heavy weather) which lie below and aside of them. Below the cargo holds are the double bottom tanks. The bottoms of the cargo holds look like a giant ice cube tray, and have 'gates' that open and close. These are controlled by operators during unloading and discharge of the cargo onto 1-3 conveyor belts in the belly of the ship that run 'alongships' under the cargo holds. The cargo is then transported along the tunnel conveyor(s) abaft of the cargo holds and transferred into a hopper and uptake conveyor that takes the cargo up to weather deck where it moves along the boom conveyor, where it is then transported over the shipside and then discharged shoreside into hold areas or (a) receiving hopper(s).
@PhilipDeLamarter --- In a much younger man's day. I haven't heard that saying in many a year, thanks for bringing a smile to my face...and may the wind always be to your back...
I follow Great Lakes shipping. They are trying to get every last dollar out of that ship. It looks like a piece of crap. That is the type of ship that snaps in two during a November storm.
There is no wonder what happened to the Fitz, it was carrying too much for winter, bottomed out, took on water, nose dived and broke on the bottom. The reason it’s a “mystery” is to make sure the company doesn’t have to pay out the families for their reckless operation.
@@AppalachianMountaineer1863--- That's the 'scuttlebutt'. And the Fitz was missing several forward hatch cover, taking on water and down by the bow. Her radar was out and she was running blind in a snow squeal in a following sea and getting apoximate waypoint coordinates sent to her by the Armthur Anderson over the radio, who was running several miles behind her. If that were to have got out, the the ships owners 'Oglebay Norton Corporation' could have been sued for negligence, and found liable for 'unlimited damages' which would have bankrupted the company.
@AppalachianMountaineer1863 --- Yep, That's the 'scuttlebutt". And the Fitz was missing several forward hatch cover, taking on water and down by the bow. Her radar was out and she was running blind in a snow squeal in a following sea and getting apoximate waypoint coordinates sent to her by the Armthur Anderson over the radio, who was running several miles behind her. If that were to have got out, the the ships owners 'Oglebay Norton Corporation' could have been sued for negligence, and found liable for 'unlimited damages' which would have bankrupted the company.
@@XX-qd6ke id like to point out, for the second time, that there are more wrecks on the lakes than the Big Fitz. Although this is the one that got me into great lakes wrecks.
@@gwuengr2 we had "spotters" on the bow during spring thaw to avoid collision. Even after passage is broken into the ice, jams piled into bergs, and refrigerator into masses. They could appear out of nowhere, and little actually shows above water level
Is Thunder Bay close to Thunder Island? If so, rescue the two lovebirds stuck there. Chasin love, out on thunder island. She is the color of the Indian summer, that will help you identify one of them.
@@drizler - Haven't heard that one. Thunder Bay is just a town to us. The name brings a lot of things to mind, but a song about a different place isn't usually high on the list.
@@P.Rack25 what other “name” would they doing that for? To break even? To lose money? And steel itself doesn’t lose strength unless it’s corroded or damaged previously by fatigue. Steel is iron interspersed with tiny amounts of carbon and other alloying elements. It doesn’t change chemistry. I think you have an issue with free enterprise.
In the first picture it looks like the keel is bent/broken. It may just be collapsing due to rust/age. They clearly stated they don't know why it was taking on water. It probably did not hit anything.
@@rand49er "Previously damaged by fatigue"...you answered your own question. By the way my previous response was not meant to be derogatory or an attack in anyway. These ships experience tremendous stresses through storms, overloading, lack of maintenance, immense temperature changes, etc. They are a lot like a paper clip. Bend them back and forth enough and they will break. That's exactly what the above mentioned forces do. Seventy years of these stresses likely caused this one to do just that. There are plenty of similar ships sitting at the bottom of the lakes for the same reason. Some of which songs were made about. I have absolutely no issues with free enterprise, in fact, just the opposite. I was just making a statement that many mariners who work on these ships will back me on.
that ship is scrap now. broken beam in the hull of the ship is clearly visible. zero maintenance was done while the taconite mines were previously closed.
I can tell you what happened without an investigation. Theyre operating a 70 year old ship that should have gone to the breakers a long time ago. Sure, theres older ships still afloat, but most of them are museums. Merchant ships like that dont lead gentle lives. Retirement for that ship will be well earned.
@@thereissomecoolstuff - Most of it's true. She's one of only a few old school lakers with the forward pilothouse even still around. Superior is one of the toughest places to operate a ship. Long reaches where the wind can build up huge waves, and it's so big that air pressure zones in the atmosphere cause a tide-like effect that causes an entire area of the lake to flow away like a current and generate more waves. It's a huge lake and it beats a ship constantly Lakers don't become museum ships, unfortunately. They become Hyundais.
I wanna speak, as a Naval Architect, that Great Lake Lakers are very well known for long service lives. 1950s is getting on the older range, yes, but these boats tend to have large service lives due to Lake Superior being freshwater and the fact they are laid up over the winter in Sturgeon Bay. It is not uncommon to see a 20 year old ship in the Atlantic look dilapidated, meanwhile a 60 year old Laker look pristine.
This ship is capable of another 70 years of service if it’s properly maintained, lake boats don’t weather like ocean going ships do. The reason a lake freighter looks rough is because of the beating they take on the lakes during storms
@@AppalachianMountaineer1863 Key phrase: if it's properly maintained. How many merchanters out there could pass a mechanical inspection with flying colors? Not many. Proper maintenance eats into profit margins. Just ask the owners of that container ship that took out the Key bridge. I'm not a sailor, but if I can't convince my boss to replace a couple tires on my three year old truck, how much luck has the crew of a 70 plus year old freighter got?
@@gregorymalchuk272 Taconite by definition is,..... "Taconite is a variety of banded iron formation, an iron-bearing sedimentary rock, in which the iron minerals are interlayered with quartz, chert, or carbonate." ( Wikipedia )
@@1Long2Short Yes, and a lot of shipspotters call the freighters lake boats. I honestly don't know why people get so butt hurt when people say boat instead of ship, or ship instead of boat.
True, I have sailed upon them and mariners have a special affinity for them and they are referred to as 'boats'. Laker's of course are Great Lakes freighters, and the real, old graceful laker prior to the addition of the self-unloading boom were also know as straight deckers. Salt water freighters freighters are referred to as Salties. Another noteworthy addition is that mariners crew Merchant vessels, and sailors crew navy vessels. Merchant mariners should be referred to as mariners...not sailors. Sailors are found in a Navy. Also, merchant marine also stands as the plural usage. The term merchant marines should never be used. Marines are a combat force, and US Marines are under the Department of the Navy. In the US Merchant Marine, using the term Merchant Marines is never used out of our respect for the United States Marine Corp.
So did the Coasties or any government agency provide pumps to the ship? Or did the ship's emergency pumps carry the day? Are government agencies taking credit for saving a ship that in reality, was able to pump itself out and return to port? Is really their only contribution retrieving a crew in distress? Of course everyone is grateful for a good outcome, but did flying over in a helo really save the day?
This company has been having a lot of problems lately. Rand Logistics is the main company, and this ship is owned by their subsidiary Lower Lakes Towing, they also own Grand River Navigation and American Steamship Company. All of their ships have been either suffering mechanical problems, lay-up fires (although many other companies have been having that issue here as well), and a lot of groundings.
So what did they hit? Whatever it is it's still there waiting for some other ship. Or did the freighter go in shallow water? Why not get the whole story?
Taconite is deadly not because of the amount of tacos, but because of the methane that you create and release through flatulence. The nite part comes in when you go to bed and your farts get trapped under the covers, that's when the real troubles start in the form of a Dutch oven. Farts so thick, you can easily suffocate. Be safe out there citizens.
Lake Freighters are called boats. No matter how big they are, if they don't leave the Great Lakes they are Lake Boats, even if they technically are ships.
@@lisacheney7904 - Never heard that before. Learn something new every day. We use both terms. Usually it's a ship if you're talking about one particular one, and "the iron boats" for the whole bunch. They're all lakers, and this is an oldschool laker.
True, I have sailed upon them an mariners have a special affinity for them and they are referred to as 'boats'. Laker's of course are Great Lakes freighters, and the real,old graceful laker prior to the addition of the self-unloading boom were also know as straight deckers. Salt water freighters freighters are referred to as Salties. Another noteworthy addition is that mariners crew Merchant vessels, and sailors crew navy vessels. Merchant mariners should be referred to as mariners...not sailors. Sailors are found in a Navy. Also, merchant marine also stands as the plural usage. The term merchant marines should never be used. Marines are a combat force, and US Marines are under the Department of the Navy. In the US Merchant Marine, using the term Merchant Marines is never used out of our respect for the United States Marine Corp.
And a hats off to the United States Coast Guard from this old United States Merchant Marine. The United States Coast Guard, Semper Paratus - Always Ready!!!
Many thanks to the coast guard for helping these mariners in their time of need. Well done!
Sounds more like it was national park personnel from Isle Royale along with the Edwin Gott who minimized the danger to any of the crew
Probably more like "lakers" than "mariners".
Coast Guard, always willing, always able. Thanks to them all !!
They didn’t do as much as THE GOTT, another Laker did!
@@RioJudy roger that, all souls safe is the goal for all involved, thx !!
The Coast Guard didn't mobilize for the Fitzgerald. They stated that the winds were too fast and sent two loaded freighters back out into a storm that could have done them all in. They also didn't maintain the Whitefish Point lighthouse properly, after knowing via radio transmissions that the Fitz had lost its radar and was running on visuals. Just admit your faults, don't cover them up.
@@danlowe8684 Hey thanks Dan, we all know that bureaucratic red tape can hamstring the well intentioned men and women fighting the good fight. We hope for the best and look to weed out the deadwood. I hear ya brother ...PH
@@paulhastings6052 Great answer!!
Taconite pellets can absorb about 5-10% of their weight in water so even with the pumps operating, weight is being added.
You can break a ship that way.
Thanks for explaining. I was like taco nite?? Never knew of this stuff what is used for?
Probably up forward at the 'forepeak' below the forcastle and the chain locker. The cargo holds are encapsulated by ballast tanks all around and the rat runs (passageway tunnels, also used by mariners to move fore and aft within the ship during heavy weather) which lie below and aside of them. Below the cargo holds are the double bottom tanks. The bottoms of the cargo holds look like a giant ice cube tray, and have 'gates' that open and close. These are controlled by operators during unloading and discharge of their cargo onto 1-3 conveyor belts in the belly of the ship that run 'alongships' under the cargo holds. The cargo is transported along the tunnel conveyor(s) abaft of the cargo holds and transferred into a hopper and uptake conveyor that takes the cargo up to weather deck where it moves along the boom conveyor, where it is then transported over the shipside and then discharged shoreside into hold areas or (a) receiving hopper(s).
@@ypcomchic Taconite is used to make steel. It is iron ore that has been processed into small pellets for easy shipping.
It wasn't heading to Thunder Bay, it diverted to Thunder Bay once the problem was discovered.
plus, what is this "built in the 50's" comment. It was built in 1952. fact. poor reporting
@@beverlyweber171built in the fifties covers 52.
It had left Duluth around 6AM heading to Sault Ste Marie...not sure it would have stopped at Two Harbors for anything before it suddenly diverted course to Thunder Bay
@@kevinduveneck1504 Many ships top off in Two Harbors after leaving Duluth because Duluth's harbor is too shallow.
After the Fitz sank, the Canadian Coast Guard did a new survey of the bottom profile along its route and found that a rock reef extended over a mile further into the lake than the charts had previously shown. Because the radar on the Fitz was out, the Arthur Anderson, about 3 miles ahead of her, was giving them positions to chart their course from. The positions transmitted to the EF showed that they could have hit that reef when plotted on the new charts. Could there be another uncharted reef where the Michipicoten struck?
Great info thanks, however the Arthur Anderson was running behind the Fitz, not ahead of her...
@@XX-qd6ke My mistake. It has been a while since I read the history.
Probably one of those Chinese subs that sneeked in to the lake from the Atlantic, Like the Spy Balloon did not long ago.just saying!
@@vet-7174 Jason Hansen (Spy and Survival Briefing) has a theory that it was a test run for a system to deliver an EMP nuke to the middle of the country.
Taco night! Now that's an important mission.
ship was packed to the ceiling with migrants
@lotwizzard1748 were those Canadian migrants?
@@MasterBojangles canadian tacos? i doubt it
@lotwizzard1748 yea but it's the wrong border
Her hair is messed up just a little bit. WOW, she's fine !
The iron boats go
As the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered
Why didn’t they report that the GOTT, another 1000+ footer Laker, accompanied her? The GOTT went out of her way, turned around and was less than a mile from her all of the time after her call to the USCG. TERRIBLE INCOMPLETE REPORTING!
Better inspect the ship that carries burritonite to make sure it’s safe to go out into the water.
Refried beanite is more dangerous
What Ship ?
.......oh yeah, that. She's so hot I don't think I really heard about what she said about the wine importation tax.
Was there any salsanite on board?
@@NopiusMaximusYes you are correct. Refried Beanite is more dangerous as in flammable and explosive 🧨 😂
They are Truly Blessed to have been rescued & survived🙏
@@gwuengr2 Lake Superior is one of the deepest lakes known & is very unforgiving... There was even a song noting/written about it... It is 1 of the 5 Great Lakes Surrounding Michigan... 💜🙏
@@gwuengr2 ps The Titanic was not what sank, it was the Olympus (sister ship) & reportedly it was not an iceberg that gave it that hole & why it went down... Research who the bank ers were that passed away💜🙏
@@gwuengr2 Fyi you'll have to read the ps i originally wrote in your notifications - it appears it wasn't posted when i noted the O l y m p u s & passengers etc...
@@gwuengr2There are no icebergs in Lake Superior. The lake does not stay cold enough during summers for icebergs to be able to form, something that takes longer than a single winter to happen.
@@JR-zm2yu
Yes, The Wreck of The Edmond Fitzgerald Song. A great song!! Glad you/others survived!!
I’m glad everyone is safe. These ships only have a few crew members compared to the size….it would be super hard for them to fight leaks so I’m glad the water tight doors did their job.
That being said…I read the title as “A ship carrying Taco Night” and if that was the case…they can find safe harbor at my dinner table anytime.🎉🎉🎉
Many towns have free adult reading courses.
@@mikemondano3624 Taconite isn't usually in the regular American English lexicon, unless one's job or hobbies take them near steel-making or shipping. I wonder if "sciolist" is in your vernacular...
@@johnbigelson7471 I suspect most people have heard of taconite. But even toddlers can tell two words from a single one unless they have water on the brain. Pretense is assuming others' ignorance.
That’s a lot of tacos….
The Edwin H Gott was shown on one TV station side by side with the Michipicoten in case it needed aid - it's a 1000 footer....Shout - out to them too.
When the Edmund Fitzgerald went down, the Arthur M. Anderson turned around from the safe bay they had just entered and went back out directly into the storm.
@@GWNorth-db8vn yes I know - the Anderson is one of my fave ships for that reason - the videos show the weather being reasonable for the Michipicoten thank goodness
Clearly buckling and failing framework. Hit something or not, that thing should be dry docked and rebuilt.. or put to pasture.
yes these lakers all suffer from that.
Unfortunately I think you’re correct.
@@thereissomecoolstuff built in the fifties. end of an era.
Considering that the "service" life was twenty years when they were built
I'm suspecting a hull failure. Too deep of water to have collided with anything
For those reading the captions: Mission Pecan = Michipicoten
Also Michoacan = Michipicoten
I'm not sure why a caption writer would spell the ship name wrong, twice. But it is written right there on the hull of the ship.
Could be the SS 'Misbegotten'.
There probably isn’t an actual caption writer. That would cost money.
the captions were auto generated by ai
Taconite pellets make good slingshot ammo.
They do, and they are free!! If you live by the right railroad tracks that is....
Or bag them up and sell them. If they are as common as the rail road spikes around here.
And they're great to stitch into a leather sap.
lol, i live next to those ore docks in duluth so i have a constant supply of ammo haha!🤣
Bringing back horrific memories of the Edmond Fitz Gerald.
If Edmund fits Gerald- who does Gerald fit?
Seems all this woke talk needs to be thrown out with the bath water
@@rdallas81 what are you going on about??
They have shadow vessels now to prevent that from happening
@@rdallas81 You just want to start a deluge of comments.
@@rdallas81wtf
Who else read this as "taco nite" ? Lol
Happy everyone is safe❤
@ThananLebb-yd4lh for one doesn't make me American. Tacos are a common thing internationally. So there claims your IQ. Another note our family is strictly whole foods and organic. Twit
Ever been on one of those old Freighters? Its frightening. The hold where store's are kept flex's and creaks with the Water. You have to have Ballz of Steel too work the Lakes on one of those.
Glad they were rescued!
Carrying a load of taco night.
That's how I feel Wednesday morning.
Poor old ship needs to be replaced, great job by all involved,so glad all hands were safe👍🇨🇦🇨🇦
I bet that Richard Speck sailed on that ship.
Probably up forward at the 'forepeak' below the forcastle and the chain locker. The cargo holds are encapsulated by ballast tanks all around and the rat runs (passageway tunnels, also used by mariners to move fore and aft within the ship during heavy weather) which lie below and aside of them. Below the cargo holds are the double bottom tanks. The bottoms of the cargo holds look like a giant ice cube tray, and have 'gates' that open and close. These are controlled by operators during unloading and discharge of the cargo onto 1-3 conveyor belts in the belly of the ship that run 'alongships' under the cargo holds. The cargo is then transported along the tunnel conveyor(s) abaft of the cargo holds and transferred into a hopper and uptake conveyor that takes the cargo up to weather deck where it moves along the boom conveyor, where it is then transported over the shipside and then discharged shoreside into hold areas or (a) receiving hopper(s).
You must have come through the hawsepipe.,
@PhilipDeLamarter --- In a much younger man's day. I haven't heard that saying in many a year, thanks for bringing a smile to my face...and may the wind always be to your back...
I follow Great Lakes shipping. They are trying to get every last dollar out of that ship. It looks like a piece of crap. That is the type of ship that snaps in two during a November storm.
None of us need any more Edmund Fitzgerald's.. everybody's still wonders what really happened there
Mataafa. Daniel J. Morrell. Carl D. Bradley... The list goes on.
There is no wonder what happened to the Fitz, it was carrying too much for winter, bottomed out, took on water, nose dived and broke on the bottom. The reason it’s a “mystery” is to make sure the company doesn’t have to pay out the families for their reckless operation.
@@AppalachianMountaineer1863--- That's the 'scuttlebutt'. And the Fitz was missing several forward hatch cover, taking on water and down by the bow. Her radar was out and she was running blind in a snow squeal in a following sea and getting apoximate waypoint coordinates sent to her by the Armthur Anderson over the radio, who was running several miles behind her. If that were to have got out, the the ships owners 'Oglebay Norton Corporation' could have been sued for negligence, and found liable for 'unlimited damages' which would have bankrupted the company.
@AppalachianMountaineer1863 --- Yep, That's the 'scuttlebutt". And the Fitz was missing several forward hatch cover, taking on water and down by the bow. Her radar was out and she was running blind in a snow squeal in a following sea and getting apoximate waypoint coordinates sent to her by the Armthur Anderson over the radio, who was running several miles behind her. If that were to have got out, the the ships owners 'Oglebay Norton Corporation' could have been sued for negligence, and found liable for 'unlimited damages' which would have bankrupted the company.
@@XX-qd6ke id like to point out, for the second time, that there are more wrecks on the lakes than the Big Fitz. Although this is the one that got me into great lakes wrecks.
Fake News. Taco Night is Tuesday.
You beat me to the joke! 😂😂😂
Tuna Tuesday 😻
I was a galley chef on a taconite ore boat years ago, and that literally became one of my "dad-joke" menus. I love a good pun.😎
@@gwuengr2 we had "spotters" on the bow during spring thaw to avoid collision. Even after passage is broken into the ice, jams piled into bergs, and refrigerator into masses. They could appear out of nowhere, and little actually shows above water level
@@vapormissilethat comes after the tacos
Taco night disasters are bound to happen here and there. Like last night we got the ground beef but no taco shell 🙄 🙄🙄
Just slap some FlexSeal tape "Max" on her hull and the ship will be as good as new...
Thanks Coast Guard and thanks God!
I saw that ship loading iron ore last summer in Duluth. I took a video of it.
Is Thunder Bay close to Thunder Island? If so, rescue the two lovebirds stuck there. Chasin love, out on thunder island. She is the color of the Indian summer, that will help you identify one of them.
I'm guessing you're not from anywhere near the Great Lakes.
@@GWNorth-db8vn. He’s tossing a few lines in from one of Gordon Lightfoot’s hit songs. I believe it was called Thunder Island .
@@drizler - Haven't heard that one. Thunder Bay is just a town to us. The name brings a lot of things to mind, but a song about a different place isn't usually high on the list.
And then you have Running Bear and Little White Dove. I'm sorry to say neither of them survived.
@@drizler”Thunder Island” was a song by Jay Ferguson.
It hit its end of life cycle
I mean pretty sure everyone knows that should only happen on Tuesdays.
Ever think maybe these VERY OLD SHIPS need replacement and redesign?
Hell no, they're like Boeing jets - take a lickin and keep on tickin.
Probably won't be long, average lifespan for lake ships is usually 50-80 years, this one is 72 years old I think.
Yea, like back in the 1980's when they dropped this design and scrapped most of this style, and then built 13, 1000 Footers.
The legend lives on from the chippewa on down to the big lake they call gitchee-gumee...the legend of how taco-nite was saved. Pass the salsa!! ❤
I read it hit something about 35 miles southwest of Isle Royale in Michigan waters. There're no shallow spots out there. What gives?
It's surprisingly easy to hit debris in open water, happens in the ocean too
It's 70 year old steel plating is what gives. Those ships are pushed way beyond their life cycles in the name of profit.
@@P.Rack25 what other “name” would they doing that for? To break even? To lose money? And steel itself doesn’t lose strength unless it’s corroded or damaged previously by fatigue. Steel is iron interspersed with tiny amounts of carbon and other alloying elements. It doesn’t change chemistry. I think you have an issue with free enterprise.
In the first picture it looks like the keel is bent/broken. It may just be collapsing due to rust/age. They clearly stated they don't know why it was taking on water. It probably did not hit anything.
@@rand49er "Previously damaged by fatigue"...you answered your own question. By the way my previous response was not meant to be derogatory or an attack in anyway. These ships experience tremendous stresses through storms, overloading, lack of maintenance, immense temperature changes, etc. They are a lot like a paper clip. Bend them back and forth enough and they will break. That's exactly what the above mentioned forces do. Seventy years of these stresses likely caused this one to do just that. There are plenty of similar ships sitting at the bottom of the lakes for the same reason. Some of which songs were made about. I have absolutely no issues with free enterprise, in fact, just the opposite. I was just making a statement that many mariners who work on these ships will back me on.
Given the ship is 70+ years old and has very visible wear on the hull, she's either overdue for a refit or an appointment with a scrapyard.
Glad they made it back safe
The old girl is looking a bit rough along her sides. I don't know much about ships but I wonder if she is getting a bit unseaworthy
I always ask for extra Taconite in my Tacos on Tuesday.
Need a little extra iron in your diet?
that ship is scrap now. broken beam in the hull of the ship is clearly visible. zero maintenance was done while the taconite mines were previously closed.
I can tell you what happened without an investigation. Theyre operating a 70 year old ship that should have gone to the breakers a long time ago. Sure, theres older ships still afloat, but most of them are museums. Merchant ships like that dont lead gentle lives. Retirement for that ship will be well earned.
Are you crazy? None of that is true.
@@thereissomecoolstuff - Most of it's true. She's one of only a few old school lakers with the forward pilothouse even still around. Superior is one of the toughest places to operate a ship. Long reaches where the wind can build up huge waves, and it's so big that air pressure zones in the atmosphere cause a tide-like effect that causes an entire area of the lake to flow away like a current and generate more waves. It's a huge lake and it beats a ship constantly
Lakers don't become museum ships, unfortunately. They become Hyundais.
I wanna speak, as a Naval Architect, that Great Lake Lakers are very well known for long service lives. 1950s is getting on the older range, yes, but these boats tend to have large service lives due to Lake Superior being freshwater and the fact they are laid up over the winter in Sturgeon Bay. It is not uncommon to see a 20 year old ship in the Atlantic look dilapidated, meanwhile a 60 year old Laker look pristine.
This ship is capable of another 70 years of service if it’s properly maintained, lake boats don’t weather like ocean going ships do. The reason a lake freighter looks rough is because of the beating they take on the lakes during storms
@@AppalachianMountaineer1863 Key phrase: if it's properly maintained. How many merchanters out there could pass a mechanical inspection with flying colors? Not many. Proper maintenance eats into profit margins. Just ask the owners of that container ship that took out the Key bridge. I'm not a sailor, but if I can't convince my boss to replace a couple tires on my three year old truck, how much luck has the crew of a 70 plus year old freighter got?
"taconite",.. Ha,..... fancy word for rocks with iron in them !
There's different types of iron ore.
Taconite is manufactured rocks, because the natural iron deposits have been mined out to such a low grade that the blast furnaces can't take it.
@@gregorymalchuk272 Taconite by definition is,..... "Taconite is a variety of banded iron formation, an iron-bearing sedimentary rock, in which the iron minerals are interlayered with quartz, chert, or carbonate." ( Wikipedia )
@@GWNorth-db8vn Yes, there is,.. thank you for that !
@@maineman152 Don't they have to concentrate it and bake it into ore pellets that the blast furnaces can use?
It’s NOT isle “Roy- al”
It's not a "boat". It's a ship.
The term “boat” is used by most lake freighter crews.
@@1Long2Short Yes, and a lot of shipspotters call the freighters lake boats. I honestly don't know why people get so butt hurt when people say boat instead of ship, or ship instead of boat.
True, I have sailed upon them and mariners have a special affinity for them and they are referred to as 'boats'. Laker's of course are Great Lakes freighters, and the real, old graceful laker prior to the addition of the self-unloading boom were also know as straight deckers. Salt water freighters freighters are referred to as Salties. Another noteworthy addition is that mariners crew Merchant vessels, and sailors crew navy vessels.
Merchant mariners should be referred to as mariners...not sailors. Sailors are found in a Navy. Also, merchant marine also stands as the plural usage. The term merchant marines should never be used. Marines are a combat force, and US Marines are under the Department of the Navy. In the US Merchant Marine, using the term Merchant Marines is never used out of our respect for the United States Marine Corp.
Torpedoed by a Chinese submarine.
Question: Is that old tub powered by a Skinner Uniflow steam engine?
Canadian mining industry trying to do it on the cheap. That rusty ship can use some iron rejuvenation.
The only way to make money in the iron ore hauling business is on the cheap. Canadian shipping companies are no different from any other country's.
So did the Coasties or any government agency provide pumps to the ship? Or did the ship's emergency pumps carry the day? Are government agencies taking credit for saving a ship that in reality, was able to pump itself out and return to port? Is really their only contribution retrieving a crew in distress? Of course everyone is grateful for a good outcome, but did flying over in a helo really save the day?
I'm just gonna assume the owners have skipped some safety stuff here too. Statistically speaking I'm safe
This company has been having a lot of problems lately. Rand Logistics is the main company, and this ship is owned by their subsidiary Lower Lakes Towing, they also own Grand River Navigation and American Steamship Company. All of their ships have been either suffering mechanical problems, lay-up fires (although many other companies have been having that issue here as well), and a lot of groundings.
It seems the ship industry has been lacking.
Good work coastguard.
Top secret news is it struck a submerged UFO.
Love this news anchor!
old fitz type laker from the 50's
70 year old ship (+/-) is one aspect, but it sounds like it struck a submarine.
So what did they hit? Whatever it is it's still there waiting for some other ship. Or did the freighter go in shallow water? Why not get the whole story?
The whole story isn't yet known. The investigation has just begun.
I always show up on taco nite.
Hard shells of course and shredded chorizo, never ground beef tho.
Fine weather event😮
Just saw a video of this same boat, with a large area of damage on the left? Port side. What gives?????
According to reports, it debris about 35 miles from Thunder Island.
Freighter hit a Russian submarine.
Always gotta check that rubber plug out back
This whole time I thought taco night was on Tuesday yet it’s on a boat in the Great Lakes? Explains everything.
I think the chief steward served donkey dicks and air tights that evening.
What did they hit??!!
Well whatever it was can surely be found around where it happened no? Unless, it was an object in motion, hmmm wonder what that might be.. 👽
very this morning and then Shipping is available for the first time in a bit more
Ofc no one will follow up on this story and tell us what hit the ship. 🤦♂️
Taconite is Mexico's most valuable resource. Transport with care.
For the past 3 1/2 years every night is taco night.
WTH DID IT HIT????
probably just a small wave that knocked off one of its many rusty panels🙃
Godzilla.
It struck a Russian submarine as it was approaching the coastline of Cuba.
@@waltersvg
Lake Superior is not near Cuba.
@@AppalachianPatriot
Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla, lol.
Taco Nite? Awe man they ruin everything
That vessel looks a lot like the Edmond Fitzgerald.
I hope this doesn't disrupt the taco supply too severely. 😗 - I'll see myself out.
Geeez how many Tacos do you need in one nite!😂
Im glad taco night will live another day
Its just Iron. Lol
Taconite is deadly not because of the amount of tacos, but because of the methane that you create and release through flatulence. The nite part comes in when you go to bed and your farts get trapped under the covers, that's when the real troubles start in the form of a Dutch oven. Farts so thick, you can easily suffocate. Be safe out there citizens.
Boring try again
Where’s Pete
Buttiegieg ?
Decided to take another paternity leave right after this happened.
Probably redecorating the house.
pizzanite?
0:01 Wow she's beautiful whoever she is.
US navy might tess underwater drones in Lake S.
Yeah, definitely no pollution in the water. Wink wink
Yikes!
Hell yeah, taco night!
Some people shouldn't be captains
SHIP CARRYING TACOS FOR TONIGHT😳
I love taco night!
The Russian sub getting repaired with Russian ships as backup in Cuba. This is what the cargo ship hit. It is possible.
She's a super hot News Anchor !
Taco night it's not Tuesday
I wanna know why yt features dating apps and chats in between videos, then features a child to sponsor. 😡🤬🤬
I love taco night. Better than pizza day!
Poor reporting, a vessel of that size is a SHIP not a boat. You really should do more research.
Lake Freighters are called boats. No matter how big they are, if they don't leave the Great Lakes they are Lake Boats, even if they technically are ships.
@@lisacheney7904 - Never heard that before. Learn something new every day. We use both terms. Usually it's a ship if you're talking about one particular one, and "the iron boats" for the whole bunch. They're all lakers, and this is an oldschool laker.
Boat on the lakes, ship on the ocean. That's the way its always been.
@@Joe-d7m6k I am corrected, never heard the term boats.
True, I have sailed upon them an mariners have a special affinity for them and they are referred to as 'boats'. Laker's of course are Great Lakes freighters, and the real,old graceful laker prior to the addition of the self-unloading boom were also know as straight deckers. Salt water freighters freighters are referred to as Salties. Another noteworthy addition is that mariners crew Merchant vessels, and sailors crew navy vessels.
Merchant mariners should be referred to as mariners...not sailors. Sailors are found in a Navy. Also, merchant marine also stands as the plural usage. The term merchant marines should never be used. Marines are a combat force, and US Marines are under the Department of the Navy. In the US Merchant Marine, using the term Merchant Marines is never used out of our respect for the United States Marine Corp.
And a hats off to the United States Coast Guard from this old United States Merchant Marine. The United States Coast Guard, Semper Paratus - Always Ready!!!
I love taco night
Someone has a sub in the Great Lakes. Hmmm. First ballons, now this...
I love taco night. Chicken, beef, fish, or pork?
Saved the tacos.
probably hit a Chinese Sub 😮
Nobody knows what it hit? Lol
Ship struck USO