A step in the right direction - Nvidia RTX 4070 Super
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
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This generation of NVIDIA GPUs has been an odd one. With confusing names, questionable VRAM amounts, and high price tags, picking a GPU to power your system took a bit of research. With the new Super cards here, does Adam think this makes your choice a little easier or even MORE convoluted?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Adam speaks for you
0:18 The included cable
0:44 Comparison to the 4070
3:41 Thoughts on pricing
5:05 Sponsor - MotionGrey
5:35 Gaming - Cyberpunk 2077
6:41 Thermals and LABS test results
8:11 Outro - Наука та технологія
The 4070 Super is what the 4070 should have been to begin with
Just like the 20 series supers except they didn't get shamed into it as fast this time
my 1070 should have been the 4070 super bruh to begin with
@@srobeck77 my 970 should've been a 4070 super to begin with
Not even because they both should've been cheaper.
just with minimum 4 more gigs of vram
It's a step when they needed a leap. They made it a little bit faster when it needed more VRAM and a much lower price
It only amd would drop the 7800xt to $350
why doesnt your precious AMD drop the price then? I thought they care about customers over profits?
You now starting to realise both dont care ahuh?
@@Freestyle80 spot the Nvidia fan boy
*slobbing over nvidia noises*@@Freestyle80
@@Freestyle80Both companies suck, yeah, but don't forget Nvidia had their hand in fucking up the market in the first place.
You don't have to respect sticking to your guns, especially when the 12pin connector is objectively worse that the previous solution.
Its 16 pins
@@bayo2001TIL
Not all heros wear capes@@bayo2001
I have no problem with the new connectors IF they fix the placement and if more modern power supplies had stock support for it
@@bayo2001 I understand why OP got 12 and 16 mixed up, since apparently nvidia did also when outfitting this card with vram.
@OP it's 12 volts, not 12 pins :)
“you gotta respect sticking to your guns”. no, i don’t think i will
I love that digital foundry and shortcircuit managed to have the same title
I guess It's part of the nvidia talking point package.
"independent" journalism
Reminds me how all those game "journalists" were saying that Horizon 2 is like Mass Effect 2.
DF came out first
It's pretty funny how tiny the 4070 super looks at this point
That's because it's really a 4060.
I'll wait for the 5060 TI to provide the same performance.
better wait for the 6060 ti for more performance or the 7060 ti when do you stop? you're not getting this year of waiting back dude just buy whatever and enjoy gaming.
lol better wait for 6060 ti same performance like 4090
@@Adrian-ep4qm Seeing as how I already have a 3060 TI i think upgrading is a bit premature.
Yeah, but it'll also be $500, two years after it's introduced.
Just don' expect more than 8 GiB of VRAM hahaha :D
My second hand RTX 3080 for $400 is still one of my best used buys. Been using it for 11 months now.
10 or 12gb version?
Killer deal. I paid over $1300 for s 3070 during the GPUpocalypse.
I was eyeing for one but the lackluster Vram and 300W+ power draw turn me off after seeing the power efficiency of the latest gen
@@LuigiVNThat's painful. I got my 3080 for £600 but came with £100 of games and extra. Took months to get lucky enough to get it during the GPU hell, I missed out on it a fair few times before when restocks came in
I raise you 490 euro for 3090 few months back. But your deal also rocks 😁
the entire 40 series linup "it's a great card, but it's still too expensive"
Costs the same as a 3070 ti at release while being worlds better in performance and features. If it's too expensive or not "good value" I just want to give you the solid life advice of get a job. Honestly the amount of time people spend crying online the words "it's too expensive" if they actually worked a job they could easily afford luxuries.
@@donkeymoo1581 How out of touch can you be? You know there's more expenses to life than a fucking GPU, right?
@@flagwashere I do, like going out on a saturday night for 1 night of entertainment is £300-£500 with food drinks and entertainment and then I spend the same 500 on a gpu that lasts me at least 2 years.
Bit ironic calling people out of touch when in comparison to what people spend on 1 night/1 week holiday is fraction of what a gpu costs that lasts for years isn't it lol. People dropping 2-3k on a 1 week holiday to a 4* hotel in a boring place like turkey and you wanna cry about value for money in graphics cards 😆It's like people think oh big cost and then it's gone. It's literally an investment for years of your life and I would pray you have the bare minimum intelligence to buy lower tier gpus if you understand you don't game much.
@@donkeymoo1581 still to expensive and the 4070ti is the 3070ti replacement and is 800 dollars
@@yamsbeans But according to your miss information content creators even 12gb of vram is dead so your 3070 ti is beyond dead right? That would make sense why it costs more then seeming according to linus.... hw unbox and so on you can't game on a measily 12gb of vram on cards like the 4070 or 3080 and the 3080 12gb released for 800 dollars too so seems to line up according to what these content creators are telling millions what is "usable" now.
Great thing about these amd shill channels. The miss information they are spreading only promotes people into buying more expensive nivida cards than they even need to. Instead of buying a 4070 super for 600 they gonna give nivida 200 dollars more because they think they need 16gb vram. Short sighted shilling doesn't realise they are actually giving nivida more money from it. No one is gonna drop rtx card premium features to go amd just for more vram so all they are doing is pushing them up the nivida card stack wp guys show that off to your amd contact.
You know Nvidia has lost its mind when a $999 gpu is consider "reasonable"
You know consumers* have lost their minds when a $999 GPU is considered "reasonable".
Not to be “that guy” but the simple fact we can….as consumers….purchase a piece of equipment with BILLIONS of transistors is a manufacturing miracle…even if it’s a couple hundred overpriced.
amd had multiple gpus that released last year over $1k why are you targeting only nivida? Smells a bit like fanboy in here lol
@@matthew5395 Yeah I get people's point and can agree to a certain extent. But your milk is like 6 to 7 dollars now, what did you think would happen to high-end electronics.
The RX 7600 XT is 128-bit bus unlike 192-bit that Adam mentioned. Also the reason Nvidia can't put 16GB on the 4070/4070Ti/4070Super is because they use the AD104 which has a 192-bit memory bus. Since memory size determined by (bus width/32-bit)*(VRAM chip size) you can only have 6GB/12GB/24GB on a 192-bit bus. They sure as hell won't put 24GB on a 4070 Super.
Would really love to see a few 30 series cards in the graph maybe smaller labeled last gen at the bottom? I have a 3070 and I would really like to see how a direct upgrade would effect gameplay for me.
So glad I got the 7800xt instead of waiting for the 70 super...
You know what pisses me off about this generation. NO CUSTOM DIE SIZES. All we get for their convenience is 4GB dies. We don't get 6GB or 10GB anymore, almost as if the industry gave up manufacturing 1 and 2 gigabyte chips. What a nightmare Unreal Engine 5 has become for PC hardware. It gave Intel, AMD, and especially Nvidia excuses to push consumers beyond their comfort zone by price gauging obscene hardware to match games coming out of the one platform. I remember when 2GB was enough to run basically anything ever, and now people say 8GB is the minimum when it should still be the max for most games.
I don't think "A step in the right direction" is the right words for it but for me it's "This should have been to begin with" or "Correcting a wrong decision which was a year too late" lmao. And 4060 Ti prices are a complete dog shit.
Yeah, it's a shame because I literally just bought this card because it's at least a reasonable proposition now. If they launched with this they'd have bodied AMD. Maybe that wasn't possible but it seems like a missed opportunity.
_RTX_ _4070_ _Super_ is AU$1100-AU$1300 while _RX_ _7800_ _XT_ is AU$800-AU$900. So, for AU$300-AU$400 more the _4070S_ only nets 10-20fps higher in specific games, and also has better raytracing performance. Although, most raytraced games still require DLSS frame generation to go above 60fps. Pricing also makes little sense currently given US$600 is AU$912 + 10% GST = AU$1003. So, the extra AU$200 somehow comes out of shipping and custom cards. As usual new GPUs are overpriced on release day.
GPU being relegated to Short Circuit? LMG just slapped NVIDIA in the FACE!
Wdym? They said previously that they wanted to divide the more relevant hardware reviews to Short Circuit because that's initially what they made the channel for.
Why
They literally said they were going to cover the entire SUPER lineup on LTT at the end of this month tho
I wouldn't call it a step in the right direction. I would call it ''too little, too late''.
depends, if you have a 60 series card from previous generation, or anything before that generation, this is a reasonable upgrade at a reasonable price looking at the market today.
The low memory bus bandwidth not being upgraded is disappointing.
Yeah $349 gpu moment
For AD104, it appears that 192-bit *is* a fully enabled bus. They designed themselves into a corner.
@@joeykeilholz925 The last gen 3060 Ti for $400 has a 256-bit bus. Even the $180 Intel Arc A580 has 256-bit memory bus width. Crazy NVIDIA cut corners with that in 4000 series.
Yeah the selective downgrades are annoying. With that being said I don't see much evidence it's hurting performance, at least at 1440p which is what I think the cards really for.
Im probably gonna wait til the 5070 ti/super or the 5080 ti/super to upgrade. Seeing as im still running on the 980ti, im well beyond the point where I should be upgrading but I cant bring myself to support these still overly-inflated prices.
Look into a 7800xt, yeah yeah i know “AMD suxxx lol” but look at the less than 10fps difference compared to the 100 dollar more 4070 super in this video. Its a great card (and it has 16gb of Vram) unless youre dead set on using ray tracing in all your games
Lmao sheesh thats old but good job sticking to it. I have a 3080ti and plan on upgrading when the 5080 ti super comes out too.
@android175 you would think it is, but I play all my games on 1080p, so I still dont have trouble getting 144 fps on most games even when I moderate or high graphics on.
you think 50 series is going to be less inflated? its only going to get worse dude i'm afraid.
@@TroublesomeOwl its about performance value, not necessarily inflation.
Cant wait for the 70 series. Thats when the 4090 might be worth it.
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Really hard to get excited about graphics card. Last time I was excited about one Nvidia was in the 1000 series
The 1060 was a champ in affordable gaming
@@android175 Even AMD released its legendary RX 480/580 at time.
Yeah I went from a GTX 1080 to a Radeon 6800XT when I got a 3440x1440p monitor. Every RTX series has been disappointing. That said, sayonara Nvidia - they're just an AI company with a gaming legacy.
@@pieterrossouw8596 This 6800XT and non-xt cards are amazing. But still, getting excited about something new is really hard. As you said, NVidia is now more an AI company than anything else.
@@pieterrossouw8596 The prices are disappointing. The jump from 30 to 40 in terms of performance is actually pretty incredible and its rumored the jump to 50 will also be pretty good.
What I really took from this is that is a dope Noctua hoodie...
no particularly related to only this video, but adam seems like a great addition to the lmg.
2:55 Thought you were going to open it up and show us a comparission of insides side by side.
L2 cache is bigger on super right?
edit: yes it's bigger 36mb on 4070 and 48mb on 4070S
I really wish that LABS would put the base rig they use for thesting on the graphs or at least make the host mention the base rig before showing the result.
My guess is, for these test showed, something-something motherboard, a 7800X3D, 32GB DDR5 with thight-ish clocks at 6000 MHz.
@abnormaln8 You should be checking *anyone* against a couple different sources if you’re looking to make a major purchasing decision.
And I can’t speak to Digital Foundry, but I’ve seen results where GN was the odd man out among 8 different reviews and never address why that may be or acknowledge it at all. I’ve seen GN make suspect recommendations based on over-engineering snobbery that they failed in the video to connect a tangible benefit for the buyer. I believe he deleted the video, but Steve said once he doesn’t believe in responsible disclosure of (and this was *his* chosen example) something like an account hijack 0-day if it was his “belief” the company was untrustworthy and/or if giving them a chance to patch would “lessen the impact of our expose.”
If you watch him that’s great, but don’t hold “Tech Jesus” up as a definitive source of truth and neutrality.
That was pretty much the laziest review I've seen from LTT on a video card release to date. At least at the end there were a few useful graphs but for a serious review I'll still take hardware unboxed and gamers Nexus as my preferred review sites. A quick overview of the test system specs would have been useful and a few more insightful comments like RT on/off, frame gen comparisons just to name a few details that were grossly dismissed. Anyway at least there was some data and I've already watched several reviews earlier so it's enough to confirm I'll be waiting for the next gen cards at this point
@abnormaln8 I mean, Ijust want them to improve. I've already watched HUB and GN reviews. With some improvement, I think they could be a good "at a glance" review.
@@jcoigny They did say tha a full video with all 3 nvidia gpu release would be coming later. I imagine they just wanted to give a sneak peak. Still, I would still have given the base test specs.
@abnormaln8 So tired of this garbage take based on a few anomalies and some misrepresentation of what they present. LTT is clearly very invested in trying to bring accurate data to the table when they bring out their charts. The labs is a multi million dollar investment purely for that purpose, they didn't throw that money around just for brownie points. They are not flawless but neither is anyone else, and they've done a lot to improve their processes to iron out the mistakes that were getting through.
A 4K graphics card in 2023 should have 16GB VRAM, minimum
the 4070 is not marketed as a 4k card though.
Seems like the RX 7800 XT is still a pretty good deal, for $100 less with almost the same rasterization performance.
Right? It's within about 5-10% of the performance of the 4070S, right? If AMD drop the price by another £/$50 it'll be a no brainer. Or perhaps they release a 7800XTX
@@ThePizzaMan_ it will get even better when more unoptimized games hit the shelfs needing more than 12GB VRAM.
But it comes with higher power draw
@@keonxd8918 Measely a 40 watt difference.
But it doesn’t have dlss 3
me who just scraped enough together to go from 2070s to 3070 ti: 'oh, i'm not even on the charts any more...'
sorry to say it's a terrible choice, most expensive card with only 8GB vram, did you get a great deal though? I see some people asking €400 used for that card lmao.
@@santeenl i don't want to change my power supply, and it's a good fit to run wtih my processor. so yes, for me a good deal!
I’m glad for you US folks, but it’s like 800$ on EU Amazon. I bought a 4070 for 630€ a couple of days before CES and I was worried I might’ve made a mistake - but the super variant is way over budget, and the prices of the base 4070 haven’t decreased here either.
7800 XT it's still $100+ cheaper in the USA and you get Avatar game worth 40-60 included
Man, I just don’t have the money for any of that. All I can do is just pay my rent and food. If I have any extra, it’s basically food and work
Is the productivity benchmark still on NDA? Even in this one does not have it.
Maybe in a year we'll have the 4070Ti Super Pro Extreme Edition that's actually decent value.
those graphs make it very easy to choose a 7800xt over a 4070 Super
Actually, HUB did a cost per frame calculation and found that the 4070 Super is just a tiny bit more expensive than the 7800 XT (30-ish cents) but much cheaper than the regular 4070. Take it as you will. We were on the fence between the 7800 XT and the 4070 Super for my bro's next rig. We were this close to get the 7800 XT until I saw the benches and say, "yeah, OK, the overall gains plus the performance advantage in RT, if needed, for the extra cash is kind of worth it." The only big downside, to me, is the paltry 12GB of VRAM...
My 2¢.
me when i cope cus i can’t afford it
@@beamed7770 why would I pay an extra 100 dollars for like 5% better frames
@@Alborah Encoder, dlss3, rt, efficiency.
@@cainesy7913 raytracing on a 4070 Super is pointless unless your using frame gen and DLSS, which adds input delay and creates weird artifacts. I’d rather get a 7800xt and undervolt and adjust my settings properly
where is the 3090 comparison nvidia was talking about?
A step? more like a shuffle... like jesus 12gb for $600 SHOULD NOT EXIST
LOVE THE TABLE!
I love how blunt you are about the stupid naming, stupid pricing and stupid VRAM in nvidias lineup.
This is the same video title Digital Foundry used.
this vga undervolt + underclock and play at 1080p high and limit fps to 100. Is it possible to get below 100 watt for power consumption?
I ended up upgrading my 2060 laptop to a 4060 laptop at 140watts and even though it's a significant power bump, I feel like Nvidia is convoluting this whole "which GPU would you want"... it's like they're putting out so many different options and not being totally transparent, them doing that is just going to make more people with buyers remorse..
Don't get me wrong I love how powerful my new laptop is but looking at the numbers of all of the GPUs, it's disheartening to know the power difference between a 140w rtx 4060 and everything else...
The only reason I got this new laptop was because it was close to 1k compared to most other laptops that were still $1,500 or more...
I ended up going with the Acer Nitro 17 specifically the AN17-41-R7G3 model. And I'm rocking an GigaByte M27Q-X 1440p/240hz. It works well but I feel like I'm not getting the full amount out of this 4060 card...
My current card is my 2070 Super it’s been really decent i think i will keep it a few more years, then maybe switch to the next 50 series 😅
yeah , i got 1650 and it does pretty much everything as i dont game too much and i play valo and csgo they doesnt rquire that much of power huhh and it gives almost 60 constant in rdr2 , watch dogs and gta on medium setting which i good for now
thats cute
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@@abhinav8110I’m the same until I recently got starfield and it’s erm… it’s struggling 😂. But I got all the mods and setting and it’s on ~50 fps so it’s playable at least, on a HHD aswell not to mention.
@kryzenzlol I had the 5700xt for a week then got huge visual glitch with it, because it was early launch and the drivers were not good, so I send it back, and got the 2070super, what did you buy ?
They should have used the faster vram they put on the 4080 Super on this card too. A core increase paired with a small memory bandwidth increase at the same price would make this more appealing.
the graphics processor of the card doesn't support that though. that's why the 4070 ti super has the chip of the 4080.
I bought a 3080 Ti Founders a year and a half ago for £750. The 4070 Super is the same performance for only £600. I’m still happy with the 3080 Ti for now until maybe the 5080.
This is an improvement but I still don't think it's worth $100 more than a 7800 xt, the 7800 xt is even still beating it in some things which is kind of astounding. If this thing was at the price point the 4070 currently is, it would be fairly compelling I think.
Shifting into pure personal opinion here but I think this series of cards is pretty ugly as well. I just don't like the design of the shroud at all.
No more Nvidia cards for me because of the low VRAM and price/performance ratio compared to AMD cards.
On Linux a Nvidia card is also a sub optimal solution.
Let’s see how it differs from its older brother *indeed*
Na I ain't going to replace my 3080 12gb zotac trinity card for a 4070 super. My Zotac card is a BEAST! :D
awesome job being the main host!
guess im sticking with pascal
Thumbnail made me ask why is Donut covering a video card.
not paying $600 for any gpu lmao
ditto, I'm a xx60 series enjoyer now, wild what GPU pricing has become
I wanted this card, but they stuck with that awful power connector... Guess I'll settle for the 4060 Super
I’m gonna keep holding and hope the 5070 is a big leap like the 3070 was.
Putting this on short circuit is gold
Wait that's the exact same video title as DF!
1:19 aren't the shader cores the CUDA cores? Cuda is the pipeline dude.
A rename RTX 4060 Super with a 4070 Super price tag
You're really trying to run Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out in 4K on a 4070 Super? Come on now.
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no light with Geforce RTX logo?
that Noctua hoodie looks SUPER comfy! can i get one?
nvidia will offer more ram in the 4060ti 16gb but limit it to clamshell 128 bit config rather than bump up the 4070 super to 16gb and 256 bit which would probably give it a decent boost. they do this on purpose since it will get people to upgrade sooner than later as soon as people cave and buy their products. Remember when they had to offer those $100 gift cards and free ram to make it somewhat enticing for the regular 4070? They'll need to do that for the super too. the reports from moore's law is dead suggests it isn't selling well
They boxed themselves in when they only gave the AD104 die a 192 bit bus. Their options were to move it to AD103, do a 24gb clamshell, cut the bus down to 160-bit and do a 20gb clamshell (as on the RTX 4000 Ada), wait to do a refresh until higher density memory to becomes available (I think I heard rumor of 3GB GDDR6 chips?) ...or just leave it at 12gb.
They probably don't want to cut down AD103 that much, don't want AI buyers to get this for cheap VRAM instead of a 4090 or a Quadro, and don't want to wait on GDDR6 chips that may not even becoming, so it gets stuck with the last option; have the marketing guys go yell really loud about how you don't need it anyway because DLSS or something.
I was gunna buy this card then I found a used 4080 for the same price I was hyped
Im looking forward to to the 4070 ti super
Should have come with 16gb vram. Not going to touch it I'm waiting till next gen and hope NVidia pull fingers out. This card is not future proofing you're setting yourself up for hitting VRAM limits going forward with it (despite it being otherwise capable). Should have had more VRAM and been £100 cheaper.
I'm thinking of going from 2080TI to 4080 Super. Smart?
Can't wait for when they come up with a new affix, so we can have RTX Ti Super "Insert new affix" GPUs. Oh, maybe we can go really silly and get an RTX Ti Super Titan?
I bought a 4070 ti on September. The news at that time was nvidia not making super cards this gen due to lack of competition and will go straight to 50 series in 24-25. :(
@unholydonuts Yh. But if i waited a few months. I would have got the 4070ti super for the same price. :(
Having ti is not that confusing for me, as it usually just mean better performance, or upgraded release
As for any even series card. I will be waiting for the better odd series cards
Just you wait for the 50 series to be just as shit.
the 10 series were gods though
@@sherr6847 10, 20, 30, 40 are all even.
This is why people only looked at the first digit when considering even vs odd.
I love the honesty / rant of Adam. More of this please! Also: yes, the Furmark test DOES look like a butthole.
I expect max settings and longevity for this price point. This can do neither.
in the right direction, but still not in price
Love the dad cap
remember when we could get a full 80 series gpu for that price? xd
many will ignore the 4070 ti super of this is 16gb vram,
I'm hoping the SUPER series will let me get a good deal on a used regular 4070. Am I too naive? Lol
you get the cheapest 4070 super for around 650 bucks in germany. The 7800xt is around 500 euros. Thats not even a competition.
4070 super is only $50 usd more than 4070?? In Canada it's over $150 cad more!
the 4070 super and 4070 ti super are £250 appart for less then 10% more preformance and 4gb more vram.
i wanted the ti super for the 16gb vram just in case but with a almost 50% increase in price its not worth it they want it to sell then lower the price by at least 50-100
Why do they make their product's naming confusing
The fourth Gen is like the 2000er Series. It´s Okay but the differenz between the 4000er and 5000er Series will be huge.
It won't be but it will at least be better than what we've had for the past few years.
i still can't understand how people can afford that... i got a 3070 that cost me 46$... yes it's a miner card... yes i got it in a bundle where i sold most of it... but i can't find myself to spend so much on one component...
Great cards, I can't wait to not afford them. They should be 16GB across the board though, my RTX3080m has 16GB so why can't the newer generation?
Remember when 700 dollars was the price of a top of the line gpu?
why not compare it to the 4070ti in the tests?
04:49 wait for the RTX 4070 Super Ti 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My 3080 just died 2 days ago after needing to take it out to get to the SATA port to switch to another for my HDD
A lot of people are forgetting programs use tensor and RT it's not just about games these features upgrade with every new gen it's no logical reason to not upgrade if a person is using programs that use those features or upscaling as I do
I don’t understand how people don’t like this monster when its a 3080 modded that card and this can run all games on the setting below max with great fps on 1440 and 4k and destroys game in 1080p
Man, I can't stand it when people give Nvidia praise for the whole "revolutionary pass through cooler design."
I had a Vega 56 that had a cooler like that, and I'm sure it wasn't the first, or the best. Though, it was a cool card, especially for being Vega.
I've been waiting since the 30 series released...I can wait until next gen.
*gently pats 5700xt on the head*
3:10 that would mean using a higher tier die as well as 4gb more vram no wsy nvidia would do that for this price.
same title as the digital foundry video
im confused why not just by the 7800xt
I just want the 4080 super, in the UK the 4070 super sold quick time they still currently out of stock, I just hope I can bag a 4080 super
They're not out of stock anymore. The fact is that sales have slowed. These are overpriced, underwhelming cards and anyone who's smart isn't falling for it this time.
These videos are not on LTT anymore? Bit weird..
can we call the ti super 4070 STI?? because it sounds like an infection to the naming schemes
with raytracing, most games go above 12gb of vram even at 1080p. that should be a dealbreaker.
Stole digital foundrys video name
I'm still on a 1070, just pulled the trigger on one of these I think I've waited long enough lol
Terrible decision. Should have spent the extra 150 for the rx 7900xt
I just did the same and am loving the card. Bozo above “just spend more money!”
With that reasoning, might as well buy a 4090