Anyone who comments anything along these lines will have their comment removed 1) being overly defensive of how i criticized cTechno and cDream. Disagreeing with my analysis is more than fine, but making criticisms that amount to "you had to watch all of his streams to Get It" will not be allowed. I don't engage in analysis with stans, ever. (This goes for any of the streamers fyi) 1.5) cDream apologism 2) complaining about me making too many references to whiteness and identity politics in general. if leftist analysis of media isnt your thing then dont stick around. 3) nitpicking shorter segments or side comments i made. over half this video is about cWilbur and cTommy and if you get tilted over a minor comment in the intro or a small dig at one of the streamers then that's not worthwhile engagement with the video itself. give me responses that are worth chewing on and munching like a delicious feast for my brain 4) yes i know my audio quality is bad. It will be fixed if I do this again. No need to comment it several times 5) do not respond to my doyalist criticism with a watsonian answer.
I think maybe my most controversial take is that, although they're metal as hell and very cool, the SAD-IST animatics ultimately created the wrong kind of motivation for the content creators. There were a few moments (particularly from Techno, if I'm being honest) that felt like "animatic bait" - not decisions made to further a story, but a line to be cut for a cool moment in the animatic. The stakes kept increasing for that reason, things had to get angstier and angstier because it would add fuel to a really cool fire. They weren't viewing it as "how do we represent abuse", they were viewing it as "this is gonna go so hard when SAD-IST contextualises it".
yes especially at the end, it felt like that n this is coming from someone who’d only non stop theorise everything while it was still going on-- as I’m doing with c!quackitys final ending from 3 days ago after so long 😭
This was actually the reason i stopped watching the SMP lore in late 2021. I had been watching since prior to the roleplay and the animatics and the difference was drastic. I love SAD-ist, their work is beautiful and incredible, and im incredibly proud of how far they have come, but i think some of the CCs took advantage of it and started just making it about wanting the cool animation of them. I just started realising the inflection change and didnt enjoy those streamers as much anymore
In regards to your analysis of Techno, you are very much correct that he had no clue why Tommy was acting the way he was. He joined late in the story, and never bothered catching up, meaning he didn't know about the early stuff, or really what was happening between other characters. This was all made worse by the fact that he actually was not online for around three months soon after Doomsday, when L'Manburg was destroyed the final time, because of his cancer treatments. Also, I am an avid Techno enjoyer, so I can't get too mad at him for stuff. His character arc could have been a lot better, but at least it existed.
His last few lore streams for better though, he rewatched his old streams and some lore and really started to turn his character around! His apology to Tubbo showed that, I really wish this was able to be showed more before, y'know
@@zolline That is true. I never disliked his stuff, either. I find his character to be one of the great tragedies of the SMP, because he never got to really bring it to fulfillment like he wanted to. He did finally make some progress in character development, in the last few streams, I agree.
I like to assume c!techno’s alignment(is that the term? Correct me if I’m wrong it’s 5am rn) as Neutral Chaos. He wasn’t good, definitely powerful and considered unkillable throughout the arcs, especially with dream’s imprisonment and the battle in l’manburg when the withers were spawned. However he also doesn’t care for the government and likes to live in peace with those he trusted until it is disturbed. That’s when he starts to be violent. Techno himself definitely didn’t know much about Tommy & the others and basically just ran with the storyline with his own character, but I do like the narrative he displayed despite it (unfortunately) being cut short. (Rest in paradise techno💕) hopefully this makes sense, like I said it’s 5am my brain is just processing whatever memory it has left
As a teenager with ptsd honestly Tommy’s portrayal is more respectful than a lot of portrayals I’ve seen. He very obviously did research on PTSD and I find that commendable even if a lot of his ptsd symptoms were pretty textbook vs like cWilbur I feel like used his mental health as a driving force for the plot rather than something he has to live with every day and that constantly pops out at him through things his friends do or that he does like c!Tommy treats it. Obviously it’s not perfect but I think Tommy took the initiative to make sure he was accurately portraying what he believes his character would feel based on what happened and how he would interpret it. I really enjoyed that choice that Tommy made.
I don't think Technoblade is meant to be a good or evil character. I think he's meant to be more of a neutral character who has goals that sometimes align with the more moral characters and other times align with the more evil characters. As for the egg storyline, it was basically a second main story, characters like Badboyhalo, Skeppy, and others played much more pivotal roles here, the egg would basically drain people's color and brainwash them into being obsessed with it until an event called the Red Banquet. It was meant to be used to kill those that opposed the egg, but Quackity, Technoblade, Purpled, and I think some others came in and saved the people who were there. One of the few things I watched live.
Yeah I think his alignment would be either Lawfully Neutral (considering he doesn’t like associating with the government but that’s just a techno thing…and I can’t blame him) or Chaotic Neutral. (He’s pretty much in his own world till he crashes out on his enemies when they come to oppress him)
yeah i saw a video a while ago on why he is lawful neutral and i agree he follows his morals if a side doesn’t align with his morals he switches like how he did when manburg blew up but he sticks to his morals and doesnt betray his rules and thats why his lawful
I see dreamsmp’s story Similarly to the show Miraculous. Bad actual story but with headcanons and real world justification it becomes good. I don’t see it as a bad thing like yeah it’s disappointing but womp womp we had good times even if we had to make our own rose tinted glasses to see what we wanted. TLDR Read fanfic that shit eats
@ AND THEY HAVE!!! Lots of DSMP fics are legitimately good! Both alternative canon and AUs!!! Lots of new writers/artists got their start with either making their own smps (Fable smp, Mersmp, etc), Turning dsmp designs into OCs, or turning what was originally a AU into an original story!!!
The dreamsmp had so much potential as well. It’s not just because it’s all improv, there are GOOD improv storylines that don’t have plot holes or misguided concepts, but the smp just struggled to stick to that. Maybe it’s due to the drama between members or how everything worked. Who knows what happened behind the scenes, but I really wish our headcanons were the reality of the SMP rather than the missing potential the fans are discussing about.
what i really like is how people can create different stories in that world/setting without having to completely start from scratch. i didnt keep up with it since maybe mid 2021 but from what ive seen most people who are still fans treat most of their fanworks as their own seperate universes (atleast thats how ive come to understand it) since a many of the things that were written sucked or the creator did crappy things. its a great stepping stone into writing generally and creating your own stories and worlds.
Dream is a very predictable character. You always know what he's going to do. It's always going to end in violence. I actually find Quackity to be a much more scary villain, because he's so unpredictable. Having said that, though, I do enjoy Dream's character arc. I love villainous characters who actually do something, like Dream. He was good at what he did, and he usually won. That's why it's so satisfying when he loses for once.
Are you stupid? The last thing c!Dream is is predictable. If that's the case, why was it that only a small group of his fans could predict his actions, while the rest of the fandom believed that the staged finale was the real thing, and didn't understand his motivation until the end, ect. Even this video proves that people didn't understand c!Dream nor his motivation, so how can he be predictable?? The rest of the take is also trash but the "predictable" part is just lmao ://
This is kinda long but I wanted to share some of my own analysis of Techno’s character to hopefully help clarify some of the causes for his character’s flaws. I think a lot of Techno’s character flaws were either somewhat intentional or not his fault, he stated on a podcast? (I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure it was the Banter podcast) that the reason he took his character the way he did was to be an antagonist because belived the story needed more conflict, he wasn’t trying to be a hero who takes down a corrupt government, he was a selfish person who justified it by hiding behind the facade of freeing people from oppression. He let his ego get to his head and believed himself to be more important to the other characters viewing their actions only as a result of him. Another major factor like you mentioned was terrible communication, Techno stated multiple times on streams that Dream kept putting off and changing plot lines as well as making last minute changes (I remember he specifically talked about this with the prison break and second bombing of L’manberg) he didn’t know about these changes in some cases and had no way of planning for. He also mentioned people skipping over massive parts of the plot during lore streams and how they cut out quite a few of his moments/monolouges which would have likley developed his character better. Not to mention the real life restrictions that interfered with his ability to participate in the smp at times. While obviously I can’t know for sure I think Techno wanted to do more with his character but couldn’t, I mean the guy was an english major, he definitely knew what made a good story and talked a lot about mythology and trying to draw parallels to it with the story. It seemed like he wanted to put a lot of cool concepts into the story but never got the chance. I think a lot of your criticism is definitely valid, but I think the reason why I and a lot of the fandom doesn’t see it that way is because of all the above. I really enjoyed seeing your takes and dissection of the story, amazing video and I commend the effort you put in to research the insane amount of plot in this crazy smp lol. Hope to see more of these kinds of videos from you in the future :)
I just thought of something to add on, your point about him making jokes to break the tension in moments definitely adds to the selfish nature of his character, he wants to be the center of attention so he feels the need to to make jokes and one liners to bring the attention back on him. Your point is fair though this may not have been intentional on Techno’s part because that is just kinda his sense of humor, but even if accidental I do think it adds to his character.
@kalasoi I’m pretty sure it’s on youtube, if I remember correctly it’s just called “BANTER podcast” Karl hosted it, but if that’s wrong you can probably just look up “Technoblade podcast” it should be one of the first results!
I remember that these days I did some personal analysis on the Dream SMP characters, focusing on Quackity since I started doing it when I saw his Final Lore video. It occurred to me that Tommy is not a hero, but a character who is forced to be the hero of his story without wanting to, it also occurred to me that Technoblade was a Gary Stu, But after thinking about it a lot I said to myself... Such a lack of respect to that character by calling him Gary Stu is very far from it. But what made me think the most was realizing how UNDERVALUED the Slimecicle character is
YESS I will forever love Slimecicle’s characters (unrelated I haven’t caught up on his content in years so I really hope he’s not problematic or did smth illegal)
@jeritheweirdchild Me too! The Slimecicle character is very well written, I would say better than many other DSMP characters, I wonder why no one has talked about it (Fortunately, nothing illegal has been reported done by Charlie.)
@Valeria-3524 Maybe it’s because he came into the story later on then the others, and also because his story was in a away centered around quackity’s lore (sorry I don’t think I worded this right)
1:58:20 I think c!Wil leaves c!Tommy because it's easier to reject others than to be rejected yourself. C!Wil probably didn't think c!Tom would ever forgive him, so he figured it would be easier to leave than deal with potential rejection from one of the people he was closest to
37:40 I don't know how that ended up on Google but it was Philza that only ever had one life, because he's known for his hardcore world playthroughs. Techno always had three and never lost one, though he got close during the execution
I’m happy that you’re talking about this instead of right off the bat saying it was ‘cringe’ / ‘dumb’ (I mean kinda cringe ), so THANK YOU! I felt like this needed to be talked abt , some people think it’s so “perfect” , there’s imperfections in it and some want them to be said. I love dsmp , but cmon , you gotta admit it wasn’t ALL just perfect acting / improv / script , there is sooooo many things that could have been improved , like Wilbur (c!) wasn’t ALL perfect and I need to get that straight , and I watched one of Tommy’s streams back, and they were just going off track for like 3 mins in lore , which I found weirdly funny- Stop claiming its ALL perfect (like I mean ALL the time , ALL ). thanks.
not sure if you saw, maybe you did but the video was already finished, but quackity actually decided to re-wrap up his character in a recent stream using his characters from his other roleplays as foils that ultimately lead to his outburst. as someone who also didnt love the previously final ending i highly suggest it because it really wraps up his character in a bittersweet way. a problem i felt with the og ending was that after slime betrays him, he decides to just become good and apologize to everyone, when i truly felt like this event couldve driven him further into madness. but when the fuse ran out nothing happened. this extra stream was the explosion it needed to wrap up cquackity in a more satisfying way. i felt like the og ending didnt let him end as a bad guy, as a terrible person, who KNEW he was terrible and still ran with it anyway, but this one REALLY does in my opinion. best character in the smp besides sam imo.
21:56 GREEN MILE MENTION ‼️‼️‼️ edit about the actual video: there was actually a point when technos character was HEAVILY criticized in the fandom (especially on tumblr, you couldn’t go anywhere without seeing c!techno crit) but that was basically all dropped as soon as irl technos cancer got more serious, which is understandable as it got a bit hard to heavily criticize technos character without remembering what the real person was going through
i am a little biased as a technoblade enjoyer but i can see why you don’t find the appeal in such. the reason i sort of gravitate towards watching techno more than any other streamer though, is that he sort of reminds me of that improvised era in the early stages of the dreamsmp. nothing was ever planned or scripted: and stuff is left to the fans to interpret in whatever they like. techno never really planned to take the lore streams seriously. he loves seeing fanart and he loves seeing everyone’s interpretations. in a server where everyone is increasing the production quality, techno is mainly here to indeed: cause anarchy. he never took sides unless it benefitted him in a way and once he’s done he buzzes off to channel farm. its hilarious.
I was a big fan of the dream SMP and it's a guilty pleasure. Technoblades character is bad (NOT THE PERSON) but that's because of Wilbur's writing, Tommy wrote the finale but because he was 16/17 i can excuse the mistakes but Wilbur being in his twenties at the time and writing some horrible characters and using horrible cliches is just stupid. Jack's new dream smp stream was written way better than every other stream even though it was improvised and it shows jack and Tommy care about the SMP more than dream and George.
well of course Jack and Tommy cared about the SMP way more than Dream and George, the server practically gave them a clout boost. Meanwhile, for the other 2 it was legitimately just a random server they made on a whim after doing a vote to screw around that accidentally turned into a profitable venue - something neither of them could predict.
I've never watched any sort of dsmp video essay that I've agreed with so much!! Despite all the shit with this story it still means so much to me, and I've loved hearing you thoughts on everything!! It was so refreshing to hear someone who feels the same about techno's character, and all your analysis of all the different parallels between characters was super interesting!! So glad this was in my recommended :D
Only thing I'd change would be moving Fundy into the "Recurring Characters (Who respect the sincerity of the roleplay)", He had a pretty massive part in the whole L'manburg stuff, but overall, good stuff!
ranboo was never the main character in my opinion, and i think tommy was one of the ones that had their role as the main protagonist, MOST of the time. But i think it should end with dream getting locked up. since i think we need more characters to have their own lore and storyline roles.
Personally I was really happy that it continued since some of the (my opinion) best arcs came out of it. I get that a lot of them weren’t really that popular but otherwise we would’ve have really gotten las nevadas let alone the egg. It did get kinda messy after season 2 but I honestly really liked it (but I’m also really biased since my favorite characters are sam and quackity)
You lost me very early into your video's presentation. Didn't grow up with the dream SMP (I was already in my late teens by the time it came out), but I just found the way you presented things to be dismissive. If you're gonna take a story seriously and dissect it, do that, but from the first 20~ish minutes, it feels like you're being forced to watch all of this, which just takes fun out of the video, if you're constantly going the equivalent of "this is super unpleasant and the people involved are boring" it makes it feel like you don't want to be making this, which rubs off onto the viewer and makes me wonder if sitting through 2 hours of this is the best idea. That being said, I'm still going to like this video and subscribe to your channel, as your editing and scripting is very solid, and I think with a topic you're more passionate about, you could make a banger video.
Haven't made it through the video yet so don't know if you ever mention it but there's a google docs which lists out a summary of every (or atleast a majority of them) lore stream if you wanna see it, its around 200+ pages long iirc
Although I disagree with you on several points, and agree on only a few, it's nice to hear your perspective, especially since they feel so well thought out. The video seems like you have put a lot of time and effort into it, and I wanted to credit that.
Wow, okay, that's a lot to break down. I love your analysis of what the main theme is, by the way. I would add that a secondary theme is of legacy, though. What the characters left behind, their marks on the world. And I, too, hate the way it ended. Actually, I don't like much of the lore after Doomsday. The Egg arc was interesting, but it was technically a side story, not even the main focal point. It could have ended a lot better than it did, but things threw everything off, and so we got what we got, and that's that. I do still love everything that's come from the fandom, though, and some of the fan fictions are incredible. All that is to say, amazing story, and thank you for doing such a deep dive into everything!
I always Say dream smp is like the once upon a time of Minecraft servers with it's weird representations of abuse and it's zillion story lines and a room of plotholes
17:54 i used to be like into dreamsmp. maybe i like rejected this from my memory. BUT SEAPEEKAY WAS IN DREAMSMP???? oh my days, i don't like that crazy craft and dream smp have an overlap now....
techno's character started as an antagonist before he read up about anarchism and i think the result was a morally grey character but the intent is a bit murky because it was a messy retcon, hence why he acts like he'd been used as a tool by tommy when previously he was always acting in self interest. it's because he had to come up with a proper motivation when he realized his actions weren't necessarily evil, and had to retrofit prior story beats into it
I have a little criticism concerning your editing cuz I keep having to stop and rewind, so I can catch what you wrote. I‘m not that fast at reading but am very interested in your deductions and opinion, so I hope you‘ll either lenthen the reading time or voice them instead if you‘re gonna do that in your future videos again. Thanks for hearing me out, and thanks for some form of dsmp content, haha
thank you for telling me this, i think i agree the text is a bit distracting, if i do another video like this in the future i'll try to be more thoughtful about retro-actively adding in analysis like that
Probably one of the worst videos to get recommended to me in the height of the resurgence of my dsmp hyperfixation LOL regardless, I’m coming to comment to remind people that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and just bc someone else may not enjoy what you do does not mean you have the right to be rude or treat them any less than a human being! (Just wanted to get that out of the way bc ik how toxic this fandom can be at times)
I was not expecting to watch a 2 hour video on a fandom that I frankly would never touch with a 50 foot pole, but here I am. ALSO SEAPEEKAY WAS APART OF THIS? That just brought back so many dormant memories of watching his Crazycraft content omfgggggGGGGG
Maybe if someone (not saying who) were to make a short manuscript for a dream smp book, change the names and title, it might do well. Wilbur’s writing in the “hitting on 16” vod was sorta good. And I think a techno like character would serve as a good antagonist
8:10 Oh hey I heard of this concept tmnt fans have this too actually! Pretty common to see this around in modern fandom culture. Really hope it actually starts being utilized more.
damn I enjoyed karl jacobs lore with the otherside and what not I thought it was one of the most interesting part of the story in combination with the egg arc which I’ll be honest wasn’t the best.
CONNOREATSPANTS PUT IN SUCH A HIGH CATEGORY OH MY GODDD i’m only 20 minutes into the vid but this made my night LMAOO dreamsmp is how i was introduced to connor and he was my transition away from dreamsmp 😭 love the video so far!!!
(I struggle with putting thoughts and tones into words, especially text, so if anything is unclear or offensive that is mainly the reason.) I don’t like how most of the fandom treats c!dream, the black and white thinking is annoying to me in general and I do not like how his character is written off. Example, the prison arc. He is portrayed as a character that can handle it and isn’t traumatised at all blah blah blah when that is very much untrue the acting wa just so shit to the point it’s unclear. Either absolute demonic monster worse than the devil himself and deserve torture or a silly little guy that didn’t do anything wrong, which I hate. His character is very much inbetween morality and distinctively human, at least to me, but that may be caused by how I relate to him in some ways. I like the discduo dynamic to, along with positive discduo handled properly (example being On Temporizing, it is non-linear but the creator made another fanfic where stuff was put in a linear format) but I don’t want to talk about that. I just hate how the fandom and storyline treats c!dream.
aww thank you so much. you dont need to compare yourself to other transmascs im sure your voice is great or is going to be great in the future, and if the auto subtitles are good it might be watchable on mute
(This is going to be VERY poorly written, its like 4 am rn TvT also GREAT VIDEO) (this might be far fetched but I was thinking so might as well share my bad idea) I think that maybe with the 'ending' that since he as from fused beings and he was unstablized, that maybe those that fused to make him were in an abusive/toxic relationship or that one was forced by the other to fuse to create him and so that lead to him being unstable. With the abusive/toxic stuff it would at the very least back up the seeming ptsd sympotoms (this seems out of place but if this wasn't here, nothing else would make sense til the end) Honestly, I DEFINETLY get what you mean with c!ranboo, as far as I remember believing when I was watching and relating to his character was that it seemed like either he had something in the past that caused his to have ptsd just to begin with. With that ending tho, it could be both of those fused lives or whatever that was passing on the memories to him, and since he was created/fused and not born, it would make sense if his body remembers those bad instances and sorta makes him black out. With ptsd, sometimes those with it can have 'black out periods' in time where they see, smell, taste, touch, or hear that triggers them so badly that the adrenaline in their body makes the person just forget in a way to protect themselves from further harm and get them away from the incident as fast and quickly as possible. (for example, the victims smells their abusers colon and then they are randomly at the park and its somehow 30 minutes later. they don't know how they got their they just did.) its super easy to manipulate someone when they are in this state of mind since they are in 'animal brain mode' and they aren't using critical thinking properly. So it wouldn't be out of the norm for dream to be able to get him to do something, especially with his people pleasing shit. Speaking of, I think your 'c!ranboo is c!tommy's reflection' thingy is RIGHT ON POINT. going back to the fused/being created thingy, something might've happened with one or both of those counter parts to give his symptoms of seemingly ptsd might've also been why he was people pleasing all the time and the 'i don't pick sides'. its very much a survival/coping thing with those who have ptsd that if their abuser tended to be violent (emotionally or physically) then the easiest way sometimes to get them to stop is to say your sorry, follow along with what they say, and do what they tell you to do or else you will have massive consequences or your past experience tells you that you'll get bad consequences even if you have tubbo and his nukes on your side. And if he had the ptsd from one or both of his fusers (idk what else to call those who created him) WITH more on top of that (that he hopefully remembers) then his actions in the some parts of the story where he was confrontational would make a little more sense, because those with people pleasing tendencies like c!ranboo would've NEVER to almost 0% chance have tried defending tommy from being called selfish (even if he knew it was the right thing to do) by tubbo unless they were either actively going through therapy or having done therapy and since its the dream smp iiiii don't think that happened I think that's the main reason why he had the panic room too, other than the reasons in the lore. To m, in the panic room is when he seemed the most unstable (with new info involved) and conflicting. the c!dream hallucination stuff might've been the more abusive, constricting fuser trying to call back down or gain more control onto its victim fuser and c!ranboo was playing as the victim in the situation since the victim fuser seemed to have had more of the control over c!ranboo. The obsidian walls being a stabilizer for the fusers to stay in one form in a way if they get too unstable since he came from the nether and you need obsidian to get to the nether. Obsidian might've been the stabilizer between worlds too in minecraft lore too so it could make sense! I'd be curious what the consequences would be if his 2 fusers somehow got so unstable that they fell apart. Would we see both the fusers?(maybe know what the 2 creatures are???) Would c!ranboo just be a lost consciousness? would he just poof like he never existed and nobody remembers him? I feel like if he had learned how to control his unstable-ness or something similar that he'd just turn op asf since he could just potentially control his and others consciousness in my little theory Now I definently get how ALL THIS could possibly have plot holes but thats what I've always thought abt it, and now added more since after 21-22 I stopped following it! I might add, my feet are cold Also, with all the ptsd talk, I do myself have diagnosed ptsd from age 4-6 and have most of these tendencies if not all either past or preasant so thats why I felt like I could talk about his character in this way. I felt really seen by his character at that point so it might've just been me projectinggg, if thats so then my bad TvT Also, Also, sorry for this being so long, I was planning only 10 sentences but then my fingers wouldn't stop typing)
Really liked ur take (?) on Technoblade. He really never was the good guy, quite literally the way i see it, he is just there for war. even his "retirement" was just him preparing for another one
Idk why but seeing minecraft servers videos makes me miss karmaland, it was better than dsmp since I wasn't bored while watching it ig. But maybe that's because I watched mostly spanish content, still I'm glad things like dsmp exist since the fanmade content was really good
16:55 you must be living good because it was THAT popular in the minecraft scenes you can’t see anything else besides it at the time. Especially the POV
19:05 okay that’s something. And I agree that they lack interesting story to play. But when does this sexism stuff happen? (Is dream smp sexist? Find out more in this video)
Where's the timestamp !cPunz. I could talk for ages about how pointless his character was. His only role was to glaze dream and his character development of "Sorry dream but you should of paid me more!" just goes out the window.
I think his character was meant to be an instigator because in the ending we see he was into the revival plan more than c!dream was while both c!staged were desensitized to death due to over using the revival book. C!punz stuck to the plan more.
Anyone who comments anything along these lines will have their comment removed
1) being overly defensive of how i criticized cTechno and cDream. Disagreeing with my analysis is more than fine, but making criticisms that amount to "you had to watch all of his streams to Get It" will not be allowed. I don't engage in analysis with stans, ever. (This goes for any of the streamers fyi)
1.5) cDream apologism
2) complaining about me making too many references to whiteness and identity politics in general. if leftist analysis of media isnt your thing then dont stick around.
3) nitpicking shorter segments or side comments i made. over half this video is about cWilbur and cTommy and if you get tilted over a minor comment in the intro or a small dig at one of the streamers then that's not worthwhile engagement with the video itself. give me responses that are worth chewing on and munching like a delicious feast for my brain
4) yes i know my audio quality is bad. It will be fixed if I do this again. No need to comment it several times
5) do not respond to my doyalist criticism with a watsonian answer.
you should probably pin this, it's at the bottom of the thread as of now
there we go :)
In response to 2) talking about people being white as a way to make them sound worse or more lame isn’t leftist analysis, it’s just racist?
@RedrumSketches dude I'm a leftist chill it just sounded really rude
I think maybe my most controversial take is that, although they're metal as hell and very cool, the SAD-IST animatics ultimately created the wrong kind of motivation for the content creators. There were a few moments (particularly from Techno, if I'm being honest) that felt like "animatic bait" - not decisions made to further a story, but a line to be cut for a cool moment in the animatic. The stakes kept increasing for that reason, things had to get angstier and angstier because it would add fuel to a really cool fire. They weren't viewing it as "how do we represent abuse", they were viewing it as "this is gonna go so hard when SAD-IST contextualises it".
NOT CONTROVERSIAL IN MY OPINION I AGREE 200000%
Thats a good thing
yes especially at the end, it felt like that n this is coming from someone who’d only non stop theorise everything while it was still going on-- as I’m doing with c!quackitys final ending from 3 days ago after so long 😭
This was actually the reason i stopped watching the SMP lore in late 2021. I had been watching since prior to the roleplay and the animatics and the difference was drastic. I love SAD-ist, their work is beautiful and incredible, and im incredibly proud of how far they have come, but i think some of the CCs took advantage of it and started just making it about wanting the cool animation of them. I just started realising the inflection change and didnt enjoy those streamers as much anymore
I agree pls thats why i started not liking c!techno's arc you worded it perfectly
In regards to your analysis of Techno, you are very much correct that he had no clue why Tommy was acting the way he was. He joined late in the story, and never bothered catching up, meaning he didn't know about the early stuff, or really what was happening between other characters. This was all made worse by the fact that he actually was not online for around three months soon after Doomsday, when L'Manburg was destroyed the final time, because of his cancer treatments. Also, I am an avid Techno enjoyer, so I can't get too mad at him for stuff. His character arc could have been a lot better, but at least it existed.
Also, I very much think of Techno as a villain. He's not a good guy, and I haven't ever really thought of him as one.
His last few lore streams for better though, he rewatched his old streams and some lore and really started to turn his character around! His apology to Tubbo showed that, I really wish this was able to be showed more before, y'know
@@zolline That is true. I never disliked his stuff, either. I find his character to be one of the great tragedies of the SMP, because he never got to really bring it to fulfillment like he wanted to. He did finally make some progress in character development, in the last few streams, I agree.
@KeaStarfireyeah, I think techno could have had one of the best characters but life decided to take hold and ruin that.
I like to assume c!techno’s alignment(is that the term? Correct me if I’m wrong it’s 5am rn) as Neutral Chaos. He wasn’t good, definitely powerful and considered unkillable throughout the arcs, especially with dream’s imprisonment and the battle in l’manburg when the withers were spawned. However he also doesn’t care for the government and likes to live in peace with those he trusted until it is disturbed. That’s when he starts to be violent. Techno himself definitely didn’t know much about Tommy & the others and basically just ran with the storyline with his own character, but I do like the narrative he displayed despite it (unfortunately) being cut short. (Rest in paradise techno💕)
hopefully this makes sense, like I said it’s 5am my brain is just processing whatever memory it has left
As a teenager with ptsd honestly Tommy’s portrayal is more respectful than a lot of portrayals I’ve seen. He very obviously did research on PTSD and I find that commendable even if a lot of his ptsd symptoms were pretty textbook vs like cWilbur I feel like used his mental health as a driving force for the plot rather than something he has to live with every day and that constantly pops out at him through things his friends do or that he does like c!Tommy treats it. Obviously it’s not perfect but I think Tommy took the initiative to make sure he was accurately portraying what he believes his character would feel based on what happened and how he would interpret it. I really enjoyed that choice that Tommy made.
I don't think Technoblade is meant to be a good or evil character. I think he's meant to be more of a neutral character who has goals that sometimes align with the more moral characters and other times align with the more evil characters. As for the egg storyline, it was basically a second main story, characters like Badboyhalo, Skeppy, and others played much more pivotal roles here, the egg would basically drain people's color and brainwash them into being obsessed with it until an event called the Red Banquet. It was meant to be used to kill those that opposed the egg, but Quackity, Technoblade, Purpled, and I think some others came in and saved the people who were there. One of the few things I watched live.
Yeah I think his alignment would be either Lawfully Neutral (considering he doesn’t like associating with the government but that’s just a techno thing…and I can’t blame him) or Chaotic Neutral. (He’s pretty much in his own world till he crashes out on his enemies when they come to oppress him)
yeah i saw a video a while ago on why he is lawful neutral and i agree he follows his morals if a side doesn’t align with his morals he switches like how he did when manburg blew up but he sticks to his morals and doesnt betray his rules and thats why his lawful
I see dreamsmp’s story Similarly to the show Miraculous. Bad actual story but with headcanons and real world justification it becomes good. I don’t see it as a bad thing like yeah it’s disappointing but womp womp we had good times even if we had to make our own rose tinted glasses to see what we wanted.
TLDR Read fanfic that shit eats
literal 13 year olds on wattpad could have written a better ending to dsmp
@ AND THEY HAVE!!! Lots of DSMP fics are legitimately good! Both alternative canon and AUs!!! Lots of new writers/artists got their start with either making their own smps (Fable smp, Mersmp, etc), Turning dsmp designs into OCs, or turning what was originally a AU into an original story!!!
The dreamsmp had so much potential as well. It’s not just because it’s all improv, there are GOOD improv storylines that don’t have plot holes or misguided concepts, but the smp just struggled to stick to that. Maybe it’s due to the drama between members or how everything worked. Who knows what happened behind the scenes, but I really wish our headcanons were the reality of the SMP rather than the missing potential the fans are discussing about.
what i really like is how people can create different stories in that world/setting without having to completely start from scratch. i didnt keep up with it since maybe mid 2021 but from what ive seen most people who are still fans treat most of their fanworks as their own seperate universes (atleast thats how ive come to understand it) since a many of the things that were written sucked or the creator did crappy things. its a great stepping stone into writing generally and creating your own stories and worlds.
Dream is a very predictable character. You always know what he's going to do. It's always going to end in violence. I actually find Quackity to be a much more scary villain, because he's so unpredictable. Having said that, though, I do enjoy Dream's character arc. I love villainous characters who actually do something, like Dream. He was good at what he did, and he usually won. That's why it's so satisfying when he loses for once.
I agree, I did wish dream made c!dream more unpredictable as I felt there was potential there.., he just never took it.
I actually like Schlatt’s character a lot more since he did feel like a political figure that kept making personal decision.
Oh I LOVEDDDDD Quackity’s arcs especially him and Slimecicle
Are you stupid? The last thing c!Dream is is predictable. If that's the case, why was it that only a small group of his fans could predict his actions, while the rest of the fandom believed that the staged finale was the real thing, and didn't understand his motivation until the end, ect. Even this video proves that people didn't understand c!Dream nor his motivation, so how can he be predictable?? The rest of the take is also trash but the "predictable" part is just lmao ://
@@jeritheweirdchild Yessss. Exactly!
This is kinda long but I wanted to share some of my own analysis of Techno’s character to hopefully help clarify some of the causes for his character’s flaws. I think a lot of Techno’s character flaws were either somewhat intentional or not his fault, he stated on a podcast? (I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure it was the Banter podcast) that the reason he took his character the way he did was to be an antagonist because belived the story needed more conflict, he wasn’t trying to be a hero who takes down a corrupt government, he was a selfish person who justified it by hiding behind the facade of freeing people from oppression. He let his ego get to his head and believed himself to be more important to the other characters viewing their actions only as a result of him. Another major factor like you mentioned was terrible communication, Techno stated multiple times on streams that Dream kept putting off and changing plot lines as well as making last minute changes (I remember he specifically talked about this with the prison break and second bombing of L’manberg) he didn’t know about these changes in some cases and had no way of planning for. He also mentioned people skipping over massive parts of the plot during lore streams and how they cut out quite a few of his moments/monolouges which would have likley developed his character better. Not to mention the real life restrictions that interfered with his ability to participate in the smp at times. While obviously I can’t know for sure I think Techno wanted to do more with his character but couldn’t, I mean the guy was an english major, he definitely knew what made a good story and talked a lot about mythology and trying to draw parallels to it with the story. It seemed like he wanted to put a lot of cool concepts into the story but never got the chance. I think a lot of your criticism is definitely valid, but I think the reason why I and a lot of the fandom doesn’t see it that way is because of all the above. I really enjoyed seeing your takes and dissection of the story, amazing video and I commend the effort you put in to research the insane amount of plot in this crazy smp lol. Hope to see more of these kinds of videos from you in the future :)
I just thought of something to add on, your point about him making jokes to break the tension in moments definitely adds to the selfish nature of his character, he wants to be the center of attention so he feels the need to to make jokes and one liners to bring the attention back on him. Your point is fair though this may not have been intentional on Techno’s part because that is just kinda his sense of humor, but even if accidental I do think it adds to his character.
This is so right, I hope the cc sees this and considers it! Where can I watch the podcast, I don’t think I’ve heard of it?
@kalasoi I’m pretty sure it’s on youtube, if I remember correctly it’s just called “BANTER podcast” Karl hosted it, but if that’s wrong you can probably just look up “Technoblade podcast” it should be one of the first results!
I remember that these days I did some personal analysis on the Dream SMP characters, focusing on Quackity since I started doing it when I saw his Final Lore video. It occurred to me that Tommy is not a hero, but a character who is forced to be the hero of his story without wanting to, it also occurred to me that Technoblade was a Gary Stu, But after thinking about it a lot I said to myself... Such a lack of respect to that character by calling him Gary Stu is very far from it. But what made me think the most was realizing how UNDERVALUED the Slimecicle character is
YESS I will forever love Slimecicle’s characters (unrelated I haven’t caught up on his content in years so I really hope he’s not problematic or did smth illegal)
@jeritheweirdchild Me too! The Slimecicle character is very well written, I would say better than many other DSMP characters, I wonder why no one has talked about it (Fortunately, nothing illegal has been reported done by Charlie.)
@@Valeria-3524 it is insane to know how loud I cheered when I read that (thank goodness and thank you!)
@Valeria-3524 Maybe it’s because he came into the story later on then the others, and also because his story was in a away centered around quackity’s lore (sorry I don’t think I worded this right)
as a utahn we don't claim c!wilbur
12:36 The "Canon Death" thing reminds me of how in Homestuck god tiers can only die if their deaths are "just" or "heroic"
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I think c!Wil leaves c!Tommy because it's easier to reject others than to be rejected yourself. C!Wil probably didn't think c!Tom would ever forgive him, so he figured it would be easier to leave than deal with potential rejection from one of the people he was closest to
37:40 I don't know how that ended up on Google but it was Philza that only ever had one life, because he's known for his hardcore world playthroughs. Techno always had three and never lost one, though he got close during the execution
I’m happy that you’re talking about this instead of right off the bat saying it was ‘cringe’ / ‘dumb’ (I mean kinda cringe ), so THANK YOU! I felt like this needed to be talked abt , some people think it’s so “perfect” , there’s imperfections in it and some want them to be said. I love dsmp , but cmon , you gotta admit it wasn’t ALL just perfect acting / improv / script , there is sooooo many things that could have been improved , like Wilbur (c!) wasn’t ALL perfect and I need to get that straight , and I watched one of Tommy’s streams back, and they were just going off track for like 3 mins in lore , which I found weirdly funny- Stop claiming its ALL perfect (like I mean ALL the time , ALL ). thanks.
not sure if you saw, maybe you did but the video was already finished, but quackity actually decided to re-wrap up his character in a recent stream using his characters from his other roleplays as foils that ultimately lead to his outburst. as someone who also didnt love the previously final ending i highly suggest it because it really wraps up his character in a bittersweet way. a problem i felt with the og ending was that after slime betrays him, he decides to just become good and apologize to everyone, when i truly felt like this event couldve driven him further into madness. but when the fuse ran out nothing happened. this extra stream was the explosion it needed to wrap up cquackity in a more satisfying way. i felt like the og ending didnt let him end as a bad guy, as a terrible person, who KNEW he was terrible and still ran with it anyway, but this one REALLY does in my opinion. best character in the smp besides sam imo.
21:56 GREEN MILE MENTION ‼️‼️‼️
edit about the actual video:
there was actually a point when technos character was HEAVILY criticized in the fandom (especially on tumblr, you couldn’t go anywhere without seeing c!techno crit) but that was basically all dropped as soon as irl technos cancer got more serious, which is understandable as it got a bit hard to heavily criticize technos character without remembering what the real person was going through
i am a little biased as a technoblade enjoyer but i can see why you don’t find the appeal in such. the reason i sort of gravitate towards watching techno more than any other streamer though, is that he sort of reminds me of that improvised era in the early stages of the dreamsmp. nothing was ever planned or scripted: and stuff is left to the fans to interpret in whatever they like. techno never really planned to take the lore streams seriously. he loves seeing fanart and he loves seeing everyone’s interpretations. in a server where everyone is increasing the production quality, techno is mainly here to indeed: cause anarchy. he never took sides unless it benefitted him in a way and once he’s done he buzzes off to channel farm. its hilarious.
I was a big fan of the dream SMP and it's a guilty pleasure. Technoblades character is bad (NOT THE PERSON) but that's because of Wilbur's writing, Tommy wrote the finale but because he was 16/17 i can excuse the mistakes but Wilbur being in his twenties at the time and writing some horrible characters and using horrible cliches is just stupid. Jack's new dream smp stream was written way better than every other stream even though it was improvised and it shows jack and Tommy care about the SMP more than dream and George.
well of course Jack and Tommy cared about the SMP way more than Dream and George, the server practically gave them a clout boost. Meanwhile, for the other 2 it was legitimately just a random server they made on a whim after doing a vote to screw around that accidentally turned into a profitable venue - something neither of them could predict.
haven't watched this yet but c!wilbur and c!tommy making up about half the video is so accurate lmao
I've never watched any sort of dsmp video essay that I've agreed with so much!! Despite all the shit with this story it still means so much to me, and I've loved hearing you thoughts on everything!! It was so refreshing to hear someone who feels the same about techno's character, and all your analysis of all the different parallels between characters was super interesting!! So glad this was in my recommended :D
Only thing I'd change would be moving Fundy into the "Recurring Characters (Who respect the sincerity of the roleplay)", He had a pretty massive part in the whole L'manburg stuff, but overall, good stuff!
always love seeing a warrior cats reference in a video essay because 9/10 times if i look down at my canvas im drawing warrior cats while listening
I still believe that the main story should’ve ended with Dream getting locked up lol
nah thats too marvel to me and marvels not cinema
ranboo was never the main character in my opinion, and i think tommy was one of the ones that had their role as the main protagonist, MOST of the time. But i think it should end with dream getting locked up. since i think we need more characters to have their own lore and storyline roles.
Personally I was really happy that it continued since some of the (my opinion) best arcs came out of it. I get that a lot of them weren’t really that popular but otherwise we would’ve have really gotten las nevadas let alone the egg. It did get kinda messy after season 2 but I honestly really liked it (but I’m also really biased since my favorite characters are sam and quackity)
@Rose_editsxx oh yea!! But i think it should end right after that because i kinda get confused..
You lost me very early into your video's presentation. Didn't grow up with the dream SMP (I was already in my late teens by the time it came out), but I just found the way you presented things to be dismissive. If you're gonna take a story seriously and dissect it, do that, but from the first 20~ish minutes, it feels like you're being forced to watch all of this, which just takes fun out of the video, if you're constantly going the equivalent of "this is super unpleasant and the people involved are boring" it makes it feel like you don't want to be making this, which rubs off onto the viewer and makes me wonder if sitting through 2 hours of this is the best idea. That being said, I'm still going to like this video and subscribe to your channel, as your editing and scripting is very solid, and I think with a topic you're more passionate about, you could make a banger video.
Idk, I liked the series and I quite enjoyed this video.
The creator is 23 so they were also in their late teens when dsmp came out
Haven't made it through the video yet so don't know if you ever mention it but there's a google docs which lists out a summary of every (or atleast a majority of them) lore stream if you wanna see it, its around 200+ pages long iirc
if you have that google doc then feel free to link it here, its very hard to find good sources of how to watch these streams
@@RedrumSketchesIdk if the link would go through, UA-cam doesn't really like people trying to comment them.
Red this was not the video I was expecting from you. Time to grab my drawing tablet lol
haha yea its pretty unusual for me, i just got hyperfixated on it, i hope you enjoyed it tho!
Although I disagree with you on several points, and agree on only a few, it's nice to hear your perspective, especially since they feel so well thought out. The video seems like you have put a lot of time and effort into it, and I wanted to credit that.
What are some points you disagree with? While there are points I think are wrong, I think a lot of the points made are right
Wow, okay, that's a lot to break down. I love your analysis of what the main theme is, by the way. I would add that a secondary theme is of legacy, though. What the characters left behind, their marks on the world. And I, too, hate the way it ended. Actually, I don't like much of the lore after Doomsday. The Egg arc was interesting, but it was technically a side story, not even the main focal point. It could have ended a lot better than it did, but things threw everything off, and so we got what we got, and that's that. I do still love everything that's come from the fandom, though, and some of the fan fictions are incredible.
All that is to say, amazing story, and thank you for doing such a deep dive into everything!
Yeah, it’s even explicitly said (multiple?) times when Quackity was talking to slime about taking over Las Nevadas when he’s gone
I swear to god Sam and dream have some of the most amazing voices in this thing
egg lore was underrated ive never seen someone talk about that
I always Say dream smp is like the once upon a time of Minecraft servers with it's weird representations of abuse and it's zillion story lines and a room of plotholes
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i used to be like into dreamsmp. maybe i like rejected this from my memory.
BUT SEAPEEKAY WAS IN DREAMSMP????
oh my days, i don't like that crazy craft and dream smp have an overlap now....
Whatever playlist you watched is wild bc how are sapnap and fundy not considered more central characters 😭
Sapnap and Fundy were barely relevant in main story conflicts, Fundy was a lot more relevant than Sapnap but still
never thought i'd ever watch anything dsmp related ever again but here i am
techno's character started as an antagonist before he read up about anarchism and i think the result was a morally grey character but the intent is a bit murky because it was a messy retcon, hence why he acts like he'd been used as a tool by tommy when previously he was always acting in self interest. it's because he had to come up with a proper motivation when he realized his actions weren't necessarily evil, and had to retrofit prior story beats into it
I have a little criticism concerning your editing cuz I keep having to stop and rewind, so I can catch what you wrote. I‘m not that fast at reading but am very interested in your deductions and opinion, so I hope you‘ll either lenthen the reading time or voice them instead if you‘re gonna do that in your future videos again.
Thanks for hearing me out, and thanks for some form of dsmp content, haha
thank you for telling me this, i think i agree the text is a bit distracting, if i do another video like this in the future i'll try to be more thoughtful about retro-actively adding in analysis like that
Probably one of the worst videos to get recommended to me in the height of the resurgence of my dsmp hyperfixation LOL regardless, I’m coming to comment to remind people that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and just bc someone else may not enjoy what you do does not mean you have the right to be rude or treat them any less than a human being! (Just wanted to get that out of the way bc ik how toxic this fandom can be at times)
GCSE English analysis HATES to see you coming
The fact that your disclaimer lasted over 16 minutes makes sense in the lovable shithole of a story the DSMP is
This was such a good watch!!
I was not expecting to watch a 2 hour video on a fandom that I frankly would never touch with a 50 foot pole, but here I am.
ALSO SEAPEEKAY WAS APART OF THIS? That just brought back so many dormant memories of watching his Crazycraft content omfgggggGGGGG
am i gonna sit through this whole 2/12 hours? absolutely ur so real for this.
Maybe if someone (not saying who) were to make a short manuscript for a dream smp book, change the names and title, it might do well. Wilbur’s writing in the “hitting on 16” vod was sorta good. And I think a techno like character would serve as a good antagonist
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Oh hey I heard of this concept tmnt fans have this too actually! Pretty common to see this around in modern fandom culture. Really hope it actually starts being utilized more.
I find it weird how Tommy's character was treated by c!dream and c!wilbur, considering dream and wilbur were adults, and Tommy was a minor at the time
Ah yes, The MCU for Minecraft kids.
please cut out your sniffling
yea im sorry about that, i shouldve been more diligent about the audio. will remember for next time so thanks for telling me
@@RedrumSketches all g, its a good video so once you fix that i bet the views will start rolling in, or i guess even more than now
cool video but youre kinda annoying
damn I enjoyed karl jacobs lore with the otherside and what not I thought it was one of the most interesting part of the story in combination with the egg arc which I’ll be honest wasn’t the best.
CONNOREATSPANTS PUT IN SUCH A HIGH CATEGORY OH MY GODDD i’m only 20 minutes into the vid but this made my night LMAOO dreamsmp is how i was introduced to connor and he was my transition away from dreamsmp 😭 love the video so far!!!
(I struggle with putting thoughts and tones into words, especially text, so if anything is unclear or offensive that is mainly the reason.)
I don’t like how most of the fandom treats c!dream, the black and white thinking is annoying to me in general and I do not like how his character is written off. Example, the prison arc. He is portrayed as a character that can handle it and isn’t traumatised at all blah blah blah when that is very much untrue the acting wa just so shit to the point it’s unclear. Either absolute demonic monster worse than the devil himself and deserve torture or a silly little guy that didn’t do anything wrong, which I hate. His character is very much inbetween morality and distinctively human, at least to me, but that may be caused by how I relate to him in some ways. I like the discduo dynamic to, along with positive discduo handled properly (example being On Temporizing, it is non-linear but the creator made another fanfic where stuff was put in a linear format) but I don’t want to talk about that. I just hate how the fandom and storyline treats c!dream.
dreamsmp has made me respect contentsmp and whitepine so much more
holy shot the ContentSMP is severely underrated in its lore dept
I remember a bit of the lore but holy sh-
2:08:15 I love your politics so much, also cool fursona
I wish i could watch this video, but your voice is too fucking cool and makes me dysphoric about mine ._.
aww thank you so much. you dont need to compare yourself to other transmascs im sure your voice is great or is going to be great in the future, and if the auto subtitles are good it might be watchable on mute
@@RedrumSketches I watched it with subtitles! thanks! (also you probably dont care but i wanted to clarify that i am dysphoric in other way!)
You would love homestuck
how does this only have 900 views???????
(This is going to be VERY poorly written, its like 4 am rn TvT also GREAT VIDEO)
(this might be far fetched but I was thinking so might as well share my bad idea) I think that maybe with the 'ending' that since he as from fused beings and he was unstablized, that maybe those that fused to make him were in an abusive/toxic relationship or that one was forced by the other to fuse to create him and so that lead to him being unstable. With the abusive/toxic stuff it would at the very least back up the seeming ptsd sympotoms (this seems out of place but if this wasn't here, nothing else would make sense til the end)
Honestly, I DEFINETLY get what you mean with c!ranboo, as far as I remember believing when I was watching and relating to his character was that it seemed like either he had something in the past that caused his to have ptsd just to begin with. With that ending tho, it could be both of those fused lives or whatever that was passing on the memories to him, and since he was created/fused and not born, it would make sense if his body remembers those bad instances and sorta makes him black out. With ptsd, sometimes those with it can have 'black out periods' in time where they see, smell, taste, touch, or hear that triggers them so badly that the adrenaline in their body makes the person just forget in a way to protect themselves from further harm and get them away from the incident as fast and quickly as possible. (for example, the victims smells their abusers colon and then they are randomly at the park and its somehow 30 minutes later. they don't know how they got their they just did.) its super easy to manipulate someone when they are in this state of mind since they are in 'animal brain mode' and they aren't using critical thinking properly. So it wouldn't be out of the norm for dream to be able to get him to do something, especially with his people pleasing shit.
Speaking of, I think your 'c!ranboo is c!tommy's reflection' thingy is RIGHT ON POINT. going back to the fused/being created thingy, something might've happened with one or both of those counter parts to give his symptoms of seemingly ptsd might've also been why he was people pleasing all the time and the 'i don't pick sides'. its very much a survival/coping thing with those who have ptsd that if their abuser tended to be violent (emotionally or physically) then the easiest way sometimes to get them to stop is to say your sorry, follow along with what they say, and do what they tell you to do or else you will have massive consequences or your past experience tells you that you'll get bad consequences even if you have tubbo and his nukes on your side. And if he had the ptsd from one or both of his fusers (idk what else to call those who created him) WITH more on top of that (that he hopefully remembers) then his actions in the some parts of the story where he was confrontational would make a little more sense, because those with people pleasing tendencies like c!ranboo would've NEVER to almost 0% chance have tried defending tommy from being called selfish (even if he knew it was the right thing to do) by tubbo unless they were either actively going through therapy or having done therapy and since its the dream smp iiiii don't think that happened
I think that's the main reason why he had the panic room too, other than the reasons in the lore. To m, in the panic room is when he seemed the most unstable (with new info involved) and conflicting. the c!dream hallucination stuff might've been the more abusive, constricting fuser trying to call back down or gain more control onto its victim fuser and c!ranboo was playing as the victim in the situation since the victim fuser seemed to have had more of the control over c!ranboo. The obsidian walls being a stabilizer for the fusers to stay in one form in a way if they get too unstable since he came from the nether and you need obsidian to get to the nether. Obsidian might've been the stabilizer between worlds too in minecraft lore too so it could make sense!
I'd be curious what the consequences would be if his 2 fusers somehow got so unstable that they fell apart. Would we see both the fusers?(maybe know what the 2 creatures are???) Would c!ranboo just be a lost consciousness? would he just poof like he never existed and nobody remembers him? I feel like if he had learned how to control his unstable-ness or something similar that he'd just turn op asf since he could just potentially control his and others consciousness in my little theory
Now I definently get how ALL THIS could possibly have plot holes but thats what I've always thought abt it, and now added more since after 21-22 I stopped following it! I might add, my feet are cold
Also, with all the ptsd talk, I do myself have diagnosed ptsd from age 4-6 and have most of these tendencies if not all either past or preasant so thats why I felt like I could talk about his character in this way. I felt really seen by his character at that point so it might've just been me projectinggg, if thats so then my bad TvT
Also, Also, sorry for this being so long, I was planning only 10 sentences but then my fingers wouldn't stop typing)
great video!! you got weak ass lung, why you breathing between every word?
Really liked ur take (?) on Technoblade. He really never was the good guy, quite literally the way i see it, he is just there for war. even his "retirement" was just him preparing for another one
Idk why but seeing minecraft servers videos makes me miss karmaland, it was better than dsmp since I wasn't bored while watching it ig. But maybe that's because I watched mostly spanish content, still I'm glad things like dsmp exist since the fanmade content was really good
0:57 True, I mean, there are like 300+ fortnite lore episodes
Thanks for analyzing the white minecraft men
11:26 come on. Entertainment is a thing too
14:08 well, in some cases. It’s fun to see these kind of stuff
14:58 agree. People would see a story being played out and immediately call it ‘lore’ no matter the context
16:40 now that just an unnecessary slander
16:55 you must be living good because it was THAT popular in the minecraft scenes you can’t see anything else besides it at the time. Especially the POV
19:05 okay that’s something. And I agree that they lack interesting story to play. But when does this sexism stuff happen?
(Is dream smp sexist? Find out more in this video)
Where's the timestamp !cPunz.
I could talk for ages about how pointless his character was.
His only role was to glaze dream and his character development of "Sorry dream but you should of paid me more!" just goes out the window.
I think his character was meant to be an instigator because in the ending we see he was into the revival plan more than c!dream was while both c!staged were desensitized to death due to over using the revival book. C!punz stuck to the plan more.
LORE LORE LORE
Yay- happy to see another trans man in the wild! Great video btw
Freaking love this video
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