Try Rocket Money for free: RocketMoney.com/danerade p.s. I’m sure a lot of questions I pose have answers/theories that could apply. I’m all for it so I’m down to read your guys’ thoughts, just remember everyone’s perspectives differ :). Also please consider checking out Design Frame’s video on Steel Wool: ua-cam.com/video/miufGZJSKL4/v-deo.htmlsi=-wkJiKGU5-_GDlN4 He goes way more in-depth than I do and is worth a watch for your own knowledge (and before I get comments, I finished this script before his video came out, yes we have similar talking points).
I left another comment explaining in more detail, but this mess of a story calls into question what is real and what is artist interpretation about the original six games. Everything we see in those games likely was in this universe's version as well, thus explaining Ennard, Scrap Baby, and the other one you mentioned being in Help Wanted 2. However, none of this explains why Cassie's dad was in the pizzaplex before Cassie (judging by him being turned into the staff bot) or why him giving Roxy the mask in VR gives it to her physically.
Probably the stupidest thing Scott has done, and he has done a good bucketful of stupid things. How are they gonna make the game follow the story... if you don't tell them the story?
He didn't have to do it for Help Wanted, which was way more simple in terms of story and it worked out wonderfully. He assumed he could do the same for SB, but with just how story driven that game is it crashed and burned. Just remember though, Scott always learns from his mistakes
@@the_cat_the_catthe FNaF lore has always just been like that Wallace and Gromit scene with the penguin laying train track directly in front of a moving train, it's wild that these people thought there was a master plan
@@Imperial_Squid Technically there was. Scott had planned the Mimic since 2019 and Burntrap(as it was originally intended to appear) was supposed to be buildup for the Mimic reveal.
Honestly I don’t totally blame steel wool for security breach but I will totally blame Scott for being a bad producer and bad project lead. As someone who could’ve made the call for cutting back on the scope of security breach. That’s the role of a producer and Scott only really works as a solo developer and doesn’t really function best when leading a team
@@crashbandit0483 That's because Into The Pit was based on a book, so there wasn't anything to fumble around with, just a nice an easy game adaptation. They had a solid structure from the beginning, so it all just took translating it into a game format.
Feels like you’re blaming steel wool a bit too much for the story being bad, especially since it’s entirely Scott’s fault for not explaining the story to the team. They worked with what they were given, and that was just a bunch of blank puzzle pieces they had to mash together. Scott should’ve corrected any errors Steel Wool made in interpreting his story before the game launched.
RIGHT exactly. Scott shouldve been the one to communicate what story he wanted to tell if he had such a specific vision in mind. throwing what probably seemed like random easter eggs at the studio during production isnt how it shouldve been handled
@Adventist1997 In the latest interview Dawko had with Scott, he admitted he hadn't shared the plot of the game with Steel Wool during development. Instead he just gave them ... pieces? I'm not sure what he meant by that, but even he understands that it was a mistake and that it isn't Steel Wool's fault that they tried to make sense of whatever he was giving them. There's interviews with Steel Wool employees that verify this too, with them saying that there were sooo many miscommunications with Scott. He'd just tell them to add something to the game without further explanation so they... came up with an explanation themselves, which maybe they shouldn't have, but the game had to make sense to the player as well so... I wouldn't be so harsh on them. Scott asked way too much of them with FNaF SB, considering they were a small team of VR game developers before FNaF. Overall, if we're blaming someone, it should be Scott. Even if this was his first time working with a team, having everyone on the same page is like... something you learn in highschool? Team Project 101, if you may. It's the first thing you do when you arrange a team!!!!! How he never caught up with what was going on during revisions is beyond me.
@anonymouswinter I interpreted that FNAF SB was the one they messed up on. He mentioned how SB was meant to have Burntrap just be an illusion/ghost. I don't recall him saying HW was messed up.
There's only 2 people in the world that knows the full truth of fnaf's lore, and that's Scott and matpat, and neither of them are gonna actually tell us
And both of the above have different ideas about what the full lore should be too (Almost like it's a hodge podge of random ideas cobbled together over the years... Nah, that couldn't be the case!)
Yeah no, MatPat most definitely did not get told the lore Bro was on a GTLive stream saying how the MCI didn't happen in 1985 but instead 1986 and will still time to time spurt crap about the books being exclusively parallels to the games. He probably just met Scott, chatted with him over some food and then said goodbye
It was a culmination of pandemic, scott's bad communication, and steelwool's ambitions. Weather they improve, is left to be seen, but in the end it depends on the person. Some like the current ai driven story, some don't. All i know is i have more hope for the movie series then the games.
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad dude, sure the Devs overscoped, but Steel wool wanted a delay so they could finish and polish the game, at least somewhat Sony said no so no delay (which people blame fans for sending death threats for it) If Sony hadn't denied their delay than the game would've been alot better over scoped or not
3:38 as an artist I can confirm that it’s not okay to trace any images, that are not your own and posting them publicly as if they were. Especially as a company with such a huge audience you should know better…
Yeah, and I’m pretty sure you could even sue if they used your art for commercial purposes, right??? Not a lawyer, or a professional artist, but it just seems like something you’d be allowed to sue for…
Though this isn't really tracing, it's editing renders, that are (to their knowledge at least) was owned by scott the team made an error and accidentally grabbed a fan render
I'd say both scott and steel wool lmao 😭so far i havent liked all of games from steel wool (yes, even ruin DLC, that one is overrated) it took so long for me to finally like a modern fnaf game which was the Into The Pit one.
I'm glad people get to catch on, how much Scott fumbles as a creator, instead of pretending he's some mastermind with high IQ master writing, and it only took him surpervising an indie game studio for people to finally realize that. Remember guys, Steel Wool is ran by people who try their hardest, to keep the legacy alive, while they do deserve criticism, don't forget they're still dependent on Scott as the person with the copyright... or however this legal thing works between them. Edit: Ok, watching the video till the end, Steel Wool really needs to lock in, the fuck were those interview responses
Dependent on Scott or not, they suck as a development team. They're over-ambitious, and their leadership is garbage. Blame Scott for the lore (although the miscommunication should be blamed on both of them, not just Scott), but know that Scott is not responsible for the development of Security Breach being absolutely horrible.
@reaperz5677 yes true they definitely need to scale it down with their projects, but saying it was mainly their fault feels rather bad, and makes them seem like a scape goat for the community. Look, i've been out of the fandom ever since Sister Location, and i'm still confused on that whole Scott's retired thing.
Well, you yourself said it: Supervising a indie game is not the same as writing it ._. And trying your hardest does not justify major bugs, 0 game design and awful writing xD
@@no_fishman9669 blaming it on Scott seems to be the scapegoat for Steel wool. People need to stop defending them so they aren’t complacent to keep producing shit.
The saddest part of security breach is that the endings aren't just "comic books", they are literally just the storyboards with added color and animation, they just completely fucking gave up.
Think I read up somewhere that the comic endings were more of a visual clue. The fully rendered and animated one is the canon route while the others that are comic book form aren't which means no one but Glamrock Freddy and Gregory were saved.
If I have my FNAF lore right, everyone here is right. At one point in time the fully rendered cutscene was canon, but with Ruin's introduction, the Princess Quest ending became canon and Burntrap is no longer a part of the timeline
3:41 As an artist - Do I condone tracing? Yes but actually no. On your own, tracing can be proven to be a learning tool. Like if you're having trouble with a pose, expression, anatomy and etc... I traced a bit as a learning/younger artist myself and was able to get a better understanding of anatomy through it thankfully. HOWEVER, a line needs to be crossed if you straight up copy a person's art 1:1. If you say it's your original work and post it on social media, you're likely to get backlash and that's probably earned. Like I don't see Steelwool crediting the original artist/modelers here. So hence why I think this was only meant to be a concept image. Or at least practice for the artists working on help wanted. To nail down proportions or get a feel of the characters. Something along those lines- and then when Scott asked: "Hey do we have any promo material?" Steelwool sloppily finished and handed it over. OR option B they didn't think anyone would look that deeply into it.... But whose to say I'm just an Artist and former FNAF fanboy .p.
this isn't tracing, it's editing renders, which is different to tracing as it uses the photo itself as the art instead of it being a base to create a new piece , and steelwool most likely assumed the spring Bonnie render was one of Scott's render and didn't know it was a fan render until it was pointed out to them
@quintonheimann I was mostly responding to the "is tracing ok for artists to do." point. Think it's still incredible unprofessional to use someone else's work (and a fans' at that!) Without credit or knowledge of it being used for that purpose.
Cannot completely confirm but I understand why artists would trace to learn. as I have never traced art, like ever. I only do stuff without references or anything and it’s still fun, but I can’t get even close to drawing people. Tracing stuff and then bragging or even selling stuff is outrageous tho.
They’ve been improving That’s what annoys me Sure story wise they haven’t done a good job displaying all of it but I feel ruin and the vr games to A lot of people that is It’s made a fair amount of people feel like steel wool can do good Something that annoys me with this videos how it comes off like I’m being talked down to and listening to a passive aggressive narrator while buying and wasting their money for people to see because it’s funny to themselves
Obv fnaf sb wasn’t great I agree to that but I feel all the points have already been made and feels tiresome And then twisting words of what steel wool say or what steel wool does and assuming a fair amount
My apologies for the long replies but I feel it was the best way for me to express why I personally dislike this video and what annoys me about those who are avid steel wool haters like danerade
@@skelebonez1349don't worry, it's important to make yourself the most understandable. I agree with you here, although I don't think he is an actual hater (mainly because I've seen WAY worse), he is quite passive agressive and it does feel like he's just repeating the same SB critics over and over again.
@ I agree a lot And yeah I got a bit to wrathful there but yeah it’s something I dislike about his content(or more so with this video at least) He’s passive aggressive with the criticisms and repeats the same stuff It’s no different than other things like the mascot horror stuff
I don’t like how the Mimic copied the Form of Springtrap/William Afton to pretend as if he survived the Fire at the end of Pizzeria Simulator when in reality the real Springtrap/William afton is dead.
@@uncorpscelestethank god the Mimic was a fake copy of William Afton, because God for big that William Afton comes back over & over again much like Sigma from Mega Man X.
While I agree that letting such an amateur studio like Steel Wool handle a game like Security Breach was a bad call, and the leadership on Scott’s part absolutely could have been better, I still can’t really deny the clear passion and care that the studio seems to have for this franchise. You honestly just have to look at an event like PaxWest 2024 to see that. They could have just set up a small area to play their new game demo, but no, they commissioned a well-known community cosplayer to make props for the whole event, added in games like arts n’ crafts, and gave away some of their props for free at the end of the event. I also heard that they even asked the people who played their demo for feedback on the game so they’d know what to improve. Honestly, this action as well as Ruin and Help Wanted 2 have showed me that Steel Wool does care about doing right by this franchise as well as the fan base, no matter how “in over their heads” they can be sometimes. It’s why despite everything, I’m actually really optimistic for Secret of the Mimic and everything that will come afterwards. Heck call me too positive and trusting, but I actually feel confident about FNAF being in the hands of Steel Wool now that I know from countless accounts just how sweet and dedicated the staff really seems to be.
as an artist myself of well over 10+ years, i can say that tracing isn't inherently bad. Many artists use tracing as a way to learn and develop new skills. However it IS bad when you decide to post the traced work on social media and doing so without crediting the original artist or without asking for permission. Tldr: tracing good if kept offline / for practice reasons. Tracing bad when posted
I 100% am onboard with the idea that Steel Wool scope crept themselves into trouble with Security Breach. An interesting approach could have been to tweak the game setting slightly; make the megaplex be under construction. Some areas could be fully built while some would be rough. This could be a way to build out a slice of gameplay and do it well, then expand with DLC .
The last section on "Steel Wool's Legacy" genuinely blows. The amount of misinterpretation you do in the interviews is really baffling, and I am not even gonna start about the outsourcing part, since I do not even know what you were trying to do there cause "outsourcing" especially ports and animation, is mostly normal in game development, especially considerating Steel Wool IS a fucking indie studio without a Nintendo ass budget to work with and limited time. The most ironic thing was you calling them "arrogant" when you through that ENTIRE SECTION sound pretentious as fuck, actually embarrasing, OH, and "I make my criticism out of love" isn't a excuse lmao. As someone who genuinely thinks your videos present a lot of fair and interesting observations on game criticism, I am super fucking disappointed, which sucks cause the rest of video is genuinely pretty good :/
Yeah, like, the bit about JTop saying:"Oh, I wouldn't really change It cause that might be a person's favorite part". That doesn't mean that Steelwool thinks sb was flawless, all It means is basically:"That's the game that came out, It could have been better but now that it's out, that's what It is. We are proud of what we made and would rather move forward than change the past". Geniualy mind boggeling how he could have missinterpreted It so badly. Edit: And before anyone says:"Oh, but you can't know what they meant; you don't know these people". I am not saying that there's no critisims you can give to Steelwool; but I geniualy don't think anyone can extrapolate what he got, unless actively being malicious.
@Chaotic_Overlord Yeah, besides that, the fact this video also ignores that a LOT of the problems these games suffer can go to Scott since like, the dude still owns the franchice and is the producer, which franfly from the way the Fanverse was handled between other dramas, the man is a TERRIBLE producer. Still respect his work obviously, but it's clear he isn't the best in a executive producer role, probably would help to have someone else to help him. Steel Wool definitely deserves some blame over how Security Breach was handled, but Scott is also a big factor on why that game came out as it did tbh.
@@ORandomRicky I'm sorry but this video isn't really that good, just because Steel Wool made one bad FNAF game doesn't mean that they broke FNAF forever.
@FiremanSamBoy2008 True, I just think some of the observations he makes about the games ARE fair, but yeah, those faults don't mean they ruined the franchise, if anything the PRODUCER ruined it's own franchise by being a bad producer (Scott).
Yes they can be considered an indie studio. That doesn’t excuse them demanding so much money and fucking up so badly. Scott told them to do some things. But only they decided to make SB as bloated as they did. Even forgetting Vanessa/Vanny. She did next to nothing in SB for all her build up. They overshot. They can take the criticism.
Good video other than the last section. Completely dropped the ball there. It's just a whole section of seemingly purposefully taking stuff out of context in order to make Steel Wool look bad. I'm not saying that Steel Wool isn't at fault for the buggy state of security breach, but you're purposefully manipulating the framing of the words of the devs in order to convince us of your point. The worst part of the modern state of the franchise-the lore-is ultimately the fault of Scotts' terrible management. Also, outsourcing is extremely common in game development, especially considering Steel Wool's small size. Ultimately, your conclusion of Steel Wool being the main issue with the franchise nowadays is completely unfounded. Steel Wool isn't the reason the lore is busted, which is ultimately the reason we aren't happy with the current state of FNAF. Steel Wool could've made a great game with connected lore had Scott gave them more information and time.
The lore was handled terribly by Scott, but that doesn't excuse Steel Wool's handling of general storytelling. And the lore is only one aspect alongside the dozen other post-launch issues. The quotes are not taken out of context. If you want to know the truth behind Steel Wool, I lay out overwhelming evidence in a dedicated Steel Wool case study.
@MutantMasterRace all of their games had horribly story telling and honest they were all somewhat lackluster. If i had to pick the best game it would be HW2 simply because from a gameplay perspective it was actually fun, non repetitive, and somewhat unique. However, i don’t think the quality of any of the 3 fnaf games they made are very high, and defending them like you are only makes them complacent to keep generating shit games and pass it off as “good enough” because they know people will defend them.
@@shutup4748 Security Breach definitely isn't great but people need to realise that just because Steel Wool made one bad game doesn't mean they broke FNAF forever.
He’s so addicted to his own trash lore he doesn’t even tell steel wool the whole story when they are literally trying to make a game based off the story east talking about now that’s just dumb
I completely disagree with the last part. Feels like you are blaming SW for a lot of things that they couldn't account for and misrepresent a lot of stuff. Like, how are they supposed to know what Scott wants them to do with the story, when Scott DIDN'T tell them what the story is supposed to be? Ofcourse they had to do the course correction together with Scott, when he realized that he messed up. They also had to deal a lot with COVID and Sony's deadlines, which is A LOT of pressure, ESPECIALLY when you yourself just have said that some of them are not even game developers. And why are you putting off sourcing as a negative? Many companies do that, there is nothing special about it. Overall, a good video that went downhill at the end. Looks like a lot of negative bias. I'm glad that i have a lot more confidence in Steel Wool. They clearly love the franchise and clearly are good artists. If they learned at least something from SB (which they most likely did, Ruin and HW2 are a proof of that), then SOTM and whatever comes next looks quite promising. Hope they will give DJ Sterff to Q&A their games more, he is one of the main reasons why Ruin had almost no bugs on release.
Good for them for listening to criticism and gives people hood games like help wanted and ruins. but you don't have a right to be offended on their behalf
These are common excuses from the fandom and I implore you not to engage with lies. The lore is only one aspect with the dozen of other post-launch issues, and Scott's incompetence with the lore doesn't excuse Steel Wool's handling of general storytelling that wasn't in Scott's control, though I'll go into excessive detail in a future case study. The issues occurred in preproduction before covid, and a further deadline can't fix a fundamentally broken game (not talking about the bugs). If you want to know the truth behind Steel Wool and Security Breach, I lay out overwhelming evidence in dedicated case studies.
@@DesignFrameCaseStudies I know about your video and i can't handle watching it because you do not hide your disdain toward SW there. And since you have the right to do it, i have the right to not engage with your content and search for this topic from someone with less aggressive approach.
@@NocturnalLaVenge Ah, yeah, the fanbase tends to hide behind the lies of attaching disdain to the topics alongside the obvious production lies that you mentioned, so I understand.
@@dylanhudec979I agree. RUIN has my least favorite moment in the series from a story perspective. When we find Roxy under the forklift she completely loses all of her personality and for some reason starts to talk about Cassie’s birthday as if everything is fine.
And let's not forget the idiocty in the New Lore regarding Afton = Does he "always come back" or not??? Afton says "I Always Come Back" literally the first time that he has ever "come back" and then if you don't count Glitch/Burn to be Afton that means he "came back" once, THEN said "I always come back," then disappeared forever! If that line was meant to be a throwaway, Scott needs to SAY SO
Bro... the amount nitpicking you did is ridiculous. Yes, Steel Wool deserves legit critiques. But bro. Youre mad cause Nightmare Bonnie is a darker purple? Cause Lolbit had a couple eyebrows? White Eyebrows on its white face? Come on bro. Lol stick to their legitimate failings. They have plenty enough to not have to poison the water with these non issues.
At least the vr games are great. Cant complain when only really one game of theirs is bad. They are very talented people and sorta helped fnaf get as far as it has in recent years
i wouldn't complain at all if they only make VR games but no they have to make something they never make before: a free roam game where they put too much stuff in it and later become a disaster known as Overscoping
Don't be soft on them either. Yes I agree they shouldn't be a fault for the issues with the story because that was Scotts Job but they are responsible for everything else. They made a buggy and a objectively bad game that was still not fixed after many patches with them saying they were content with the game. I think it is crucial we criticize steel wool so they will clearly know what to improve. I really recommend you watch design frames recent video on Steel Wool, it goes into more detail than I can write here.
@@HallowzDev While that still does not excuse them fully, I think that it is important to remember that being told the story bit by bit and having to constantly change/add/remove story stuff can also impact the development of the gameplay and systems severely.
FNaF fans when Scott literally has shown time and time again he has trouble communicating with other people (as seen by cut ITP mini games about Vanny being Williams daughter.): "steel wool ruined fuhnaff" It was Scott's fault SB happened the way it did. Not steel wool. Scott didn't tell them shit. Also, mimic sweep. He factually has more characterization, more voice lines, and more of a backstory than William Afton at this point.
What was William Aftons biggest feat? I have to ask. I love Afton but like...did he have any feats? He was just a dude with a knife mostly. Not to sound like a power scaler or anything, but that's the best way I can say this. The way the mimic was introduced was lame and annoying, yes. The Mimic himself is such a cool character though, it makes up for it in spades.@@dylanhudec979
"If he cut his face off hed be dead" .... No? Not even close? Sure it would hurt a lot and sure blood loss could eventually get him but no he wouldnt just be dead, do you have the alightest idea of how human anatomy works?
You’re not totally wrong, but any normal human would’ve probably passed out due to the physical trauma, shock, excruciating pain, and extreme blood loss, and would quickly die to said blood loss. Jeremy wouldn’t survive his face getting cut off like that
@@at_witts_end3470 so remnant disappears when it's a paper guillotine, also as others have said you probably wouldn't immediately die. Bite of 87 guy didn't die.
Security Breach was supposed to be the biggest milestone ever that also started the new era of the franchise, and they fumbled it. I'm just glad that they redeemed themselves with Help Wanted 2 and Into the Pit.
45:04 I honestly couldn't believe that they had a magnitude of arcade machines in this game. And NONE of them were playable. Like, what?! Arcade games have been a staple of the franchise since the second game. It's the top thing people look for in every sequel. So how could they have so many arcade machines, but NO arcade games to play?
I know nothing about fnaf, but I’m pretty sure this video is solely putting steel wool down to put mega cat up and campaign for them to be in charge of every single fnaf game onwards. And I mean, from what I’ve seen the vast majority of people enjoyed security breach and some of the most popular characters from the series (glamrock freddy, sun and moon) are from SB. I mean, UA-camrs are really good at exaggerating how bad something is anyway And also, why do so many UA-camrs put steam reviews with changed text in their thumbnails? Probably a weird tactic to gain traction
danerade has always been very skeptical about steel wool and a hater of security breach since the beginning. i dont think he's the best source for an unbiased analysis of steel wool's actions, as he's been negative towards them since day one it seems. while certainly an entertaining video, not the most accurate by a longshot. again, *scott openly admitted to barely communicating to SW.* if the man with all the answers in his mind didn't give the answers to the developers, how are they supposed to write the right directions? while it is true steel wool made these inaccurate games, the lack of communication from scott is the most prominent problem, NOT steel wool themselves.
@StingRai08 you guys are making me kinda nervous, like you’re acting like steel wool is problematic in some way and they’re morally corrupt. did the ceo get exposed for something or are you guys just upset with how they handled security breach
@@MochaSlushes I mean they did take a beloved game and made it a buggy mess with a confusing story (can it even be called a story?) because they're incompetend, set out to do more than they were capable of and STILL double down trying to pretend like the game was a success despite the majority of the fandom either hating it or being painfully neutral towards it
@@demonfromunderyourbed4580 that’s not what im concerned about. I’m concerned about if anyone was exposed for grooming or having an abusive relationship or something. Not whatever expectations they didn’t live up to.
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1:14:35 I am pretty sure the answer to this question is him being in safe mode after his system crashed in the opening cutscene. 1:17:05 While Roxy is alive after her "death"; (Honestly, I think that's also implied to just be a reboot but I may be wrong in that) that final line could be of Mr mimic since he can be heard mimicking Roxy during the fight between them.
yeah Freddy literally reboots in the opening and Cassie does the same thing to Roxy that she did to Eclipse so it makes sense she didn't die. She rebooted them which flushed the virus out of them just like freddy
“Safe mode” on computers is typically a mode that boots with only the basic software needed for it to run, no extra applications or software. Freddy starting in safe mode would run only his default programming, not whatever additional software was added to the others to make them aggressive. Hes friendly because his basic software is designed to interact with and entertain children, not hunt down and kill them
The reason the save system is like that is because it's what Alien Isolation does. It would build stress and terror because knowing the animatronics are right behind you as the save slowly goes through should be scary but the animatronics aren't the Xenomorph
To be fair, I don’t think Nightmarionne being in HW is them incorporating non canon stuff (at least not now) since it feels like they’re kinda retconning Nightmarionne into Nightmare’s original spot, which I don’t really mind.
I just think it's funny that both Security Breach and RUIN copied Terminator in different ways. SB: Chica gets crushed in a trash compactor, and tries to reach out and grab the player. RUIN: Everything about the Mimic is a direct copy of the T-800. They are both robotic endoskeletons with red glowing eyes, and human-like teeth, which mimic voices to lure in their target to kill. They also both reach through bars and try to grab the protagonist at the very end, in very similar fashions.
Scott's a HUGE terminator fan, and wrote a T2 joke script for the movie. So...it's very likely T2 was a huge source of inspiration for Glam Freddy and Roxys dynamic
@at_witts_end3470 Which makes a lot of sense for Freddy. Though, I will mention that I wish they would've gone more in the direction of the first movie, since it's more horror-centric.
Start is misinformed and disingenuous. I'm still looking over the video, but the reason that happened is because Scott had not properly provided them with reference models by showing them his own models for them to base it off of. And the Poster and Cupcake you saw were placeholders before the full release of the game. Developers tend to do that, especially if they're making a game inspired on a pre-existing franchise, using pre-existing models to layout the way things should be and slowly replacing those models with their own. It is NOT a sloppy approach to designing games. Many games - Fangames, and ESPECIALLY Triple A game franchises picked up by another company, do this. Using placeholder/reference models to be able to layout the way you want the game to look and the models you'll have to make. Also, the 'Bug' you showed of Foxy's head is a counter-measure of the player not losing an key item to progressing the gamemode. If you toss it too far for you to be able to reach, it respawns, it was just convenient that it respawned and collided with Foxy's head, activating progress.
Best way to describe post UCN Fnaf, imo, is that it wants to be a forest without the trees. It wants to be a mystery, but there's nothing mysterious to put together, because all of the information is either front and center, or it's never shown at all until the story demands it so. Edit: Additionally, Post UCN feels like it's trying _so_ hard to justify it's shitty story and character writing. It calls back to itself like "see, guys? Isn't this character/situation/whatever super cool?" while also failing to justify itself _because_ of that.
Okay, I have to admit you made a few good points in this video but just because Steel Wool made one bad game (Security Breach) doesn't mean they broke FNAF forever. It's been 3 fucking years, get over it.
almost 4 years after they took over, we still have people arguing that Springtrap isnt afton and it was actually a retcon robot that first appeared in non-canon books
@@haja. Andrew is...canon? Return to the Pit plays on PitLoop theory very heavily. The tales literally have a story all about Gregory being the other person in therapy. And about a guy living through the experiments in FNaF 4. And about the indie dev. And about a security guard who finds an abandoned Glamrock Mr Hippo and gives an origin for the magnet and a bunch of other stuff and has a map that is an exact replica of the one in the games, featuring DJ MM reaching into the bathroom and generators in the daycare structures, and the like. This isn't like frights where one story is "FazGoo" and the next is "William Afton is in a hospital going through Ultimate Custom Night". The stories not only all interconnect but all basically tell the story leading into Security Breach. Removing them from continuity is just asking for questions.
@@at_witts_end3470 "no, you don't understand. when MY theories are contradicted by canon, they're actually secretly canon. when THEIR theories are contradicted by canon, it was always like that." do you seriously think it was a coincidence that the only explicitly canon version of itp would completely remove a character as important as Andrew and give his one defining trait to Cassidy for no reason? right after the game adaptation drilled into your head that something was up with the sixth victim? i respect the dedication but this is just cope
You see, Danerade sacrificed whatever memory anyone had for his previous plush series for the sake of becoming the next Theft King. We all owe Danerade from rescuing Theft from that abyss. I aplaud you, sir.
There have been some highest of highs and lowest of lows with the Steel Wool run of FNAF but I really am confident in that they have been gradually learning from their missteps and that they really do have the potential to take this franchise places.
Dude, it's been like 3 years... Just because they made one bad game doesn't mean they "broke FNAF forever". What about the RUIN DLC, or Help Wanted? Those games didn't break anything.
Not gonna lie, this video just sounds petty and just a cheap shot at saying "I just don't like Steel Wool! And I'm proud of it." Most things you mention are not constructive, they are Unfair, Nick-picks, and also seem very petty. Also how are you still Blaming Steel Wool for how SB came out Scott has already stated it was HIS FAULT!? Hold up for second, let me also add Covid had also beaten up the development when making SB just like MANY OTHER GAMES!!! On top of that the last section, is HORRIBLE you also had to pull the "most criticisms are out of love" is COMPLETELY A LIE (for this video) Most of these 'Criticisms' are just stupid Nick-picks and many sources taken out of context.
I'd recommend Design Frames video on steel wool as a better source of constructive and valid criticism. He really gets into the real problems at steel wool and does good research.
I highly doubt it was Scott’s idea to remove the save system after 6 AM. Steel Wool might not be entirely to blame but they are definitely not a competent game studio.
For the people going "at least Scott took accountability", I have a question: When did Security Breach come out? And what year is it now? Does that look like accountability? No. He had them release not only a buggy game but one that at it's core didn't make sense...and then he did nothing to TELL us that. All the time people spent trying to figure out the damn story for nothing, it was broken. His idea of "fixing it" was releasing the Tales books. Which the community just fought over whether they are in games continuity or not. And he didn't answer clearly on that EITHER, so his "fix" is also broken. Face it, he did everything to avoid accountability, trying to soften the failure and "make it work" and just like Steel Wool, left us in the dark on everything. All this isn't to say I or anyone else hate him, I don't. But that interview confirmed that he can't be trusted and that's enough. At this point nobody should be saying "he knows what he's doing, he has a plan/intention even if we can't see it yet, it will be revealed". No, because now we have proof SB was always wrong. And if that could exist like that for years, anything could be.
The Tales books were literally being written since Help Wanted, that is just factually proven due to metadata in the digital version of Lally's game. Security Breach also does objectively have a lot of things solvable when you look back at it and Help Wanted, the rest could reasonably be treated as just hints to the ongoing mystery on top of that which are either already answered in books or still building up. There are some things incorrectly connected due to Scott not telling them the story, but Scott did have his hands full with RUIN which was explicitly made to clear up all the mistakes and steer the story back on track. He definitely made a mistake, but he wasn't dodging accountability, he just focused on fixing the mistake before apologizing so it wouldn't be empty.
Actually the likely route the Mimic is going is that it is mimicking Roxy after the elevator fall, using her casing as a costume and mimicking her voice to trick Cassie into leading it out of the sinkhole
We'll likely see this in EftPP as the other books seem to push the loop idea, so Cassie's bonus route being her removing the Vanny mask would make sense.
@mrp_izza they're doing a series of interactive novels (Choose Your Own Adventure Books). There's The Week Before (about Phone Guy), Return to the Pit, and Escape from the Pizzaplex (about Cassie)
@@at_witts_end3470 You forgot V.I.P. I would like to make a slight correction though, Monty is in perfect condition in Escape from the Pizzaplex so it is most likely Cassie backstory and not part of a loop
I stand by the fact that the jeremy story is one of the best moments in all of fnaf. An actually really unnerving story told in a very concise package. Jeremy has been built up in the previous tapes along with his eventual fate and that moment is just an awesome payoff. Tape girls ideas about ink and the Halloween mask also just add some classic fnaf confusion into the mix while also being a really creepy way of describing the situation. Also to comment on the idea that jeremy couldn’t have cut his face off, that is 100% what happened and it is definitely possible. You can cut or rip your face off and survive as long as you only go for the outer skin and appendages like the nose and lips. Tape girls mention of tape girl not being able to see his face along with the ink and mask make what happened pretty clear. Glitchtrap tried to control jeremy, jeremy cuts his own face off to prevent this, he briefly survives and tries to do something in the VR game before he dies, and then he dies probably from bloodloss. He could have also potentially survived due to some HW2 info but I digress.
I once described FNAF lore as the "Western Kingdom Hearts" at this point because you need a whole damn bible to explain everything then and now to someone who doesn't understand it. Them retconning things over and over again just makes it all spiral and make it even MORE confusing. My brain hurts when I have to piece it all together sometimes.
Istg Scott thinks he’s the goddamn riddler from Dora The Explorer and I feel he needs to realize if he isn’t coherent enough he won’t have a good game that he initially wanted… everyone’s perspectives on specific things are different
man i can't believe Steel Wool didn't listen to Scott when he told them the story, which he clearly did, god i hope Scott fires them and make Mega Cat the lead devs for future fnaf games i'm totally NOT being sarcastic
I sure hope mega cat studios doesn't think Vanny is William Aftons daughter who gave candy to the Glamrocks to make them sentient? What the fuck WERE those Vanny mini games supposed to be saying? Aside from non-canon nonsense.
@@at_witts_end3470 don't worry, Mega Cat are the Good Guys, they'll do the right choice actually now i think about it, why was Vanny planned in ITP? she wasn't in the original short-story. did they make those minigames just to cut them? or maybe it's remnants (no pun intended) of what the original SB story was in minigame form for some reason? or maybe it's meant to be Mega Cat showing the middle finger to Steel Wool?
@@raikojanes5972 definitely don't think it's like that. I think they saw people wanted more Vanny and so they tried to add her to the game and then Scott had to pull them aside and was like "no. Guys. Stop. Just adapt the Stitchline stories and tease fetch. Please. I already have enough shit on my hands with Steel Wool messing up SB."
I do get the struggles of suddenly switching from practical offices to 'work from home', the game still was full price so that is a negative. Security breach was also the first time (I believe) that steel wool made an original fnaf game. The issue was that for some reason Scott decided to become the riddler. Mutliple story and techincal mishaps like this made security breach dog water. Yet, you can still see some scary and eerie portions throughout the game.
The reason why SB didn’t get shit was mainly because: 1) Fans went out their way to treat the game like it was completely made by 1 person even thought it was made by a WHOLE studio 2) Fans where adamant that criticizing the game is like “bullying people for liking it” or criticizing the whole franchise 3) Fans connected with some of the characters since it’s basically the only game (Other then Fnaf:World) to give the animatronics actual character and personality. Thus defended the game like crazy, cause they’re usually like 15, and at that point don’t understand its okay to like media is that’s bad even for 1 thing. 4) Fans didn’t play it, just watched videos of it so didn’t experience the annoyance of poorly designed sections, the pain of random game breaking glitches, and low preformance. They just saw some glitches.
It wasn’t the fans’ fault. They weren’t pressuring the devs. I’ve been into FNAF since FNAF 2, we only just wanted some breadcrumbs of information, because between February and September of 2021 we had no news about security breach. In reality, Scott never told Steel Wool the plot for the game, and Steel Wool does not know how to make a game like security breach. Resulting in the game not only being glitchy, but fundamentally flawed at its very core, that will take years for it to be “fixed”. The Security Breach section in this video goes into detail about how flawed Security Breach is. They only made VR games before, and even those are wishy washy in terms of gameplay. Also, when you look at the biographies of the *main people behind Steel Wool as a company and dev studio,* you’ll notice that all of them *never worked at a proper game studio before.* They all worked at Pixar or other *animation* studios, not game studios. Jason Topolski, one of the main CEOs, did work at TellTale Games. But games made by TellTale don’t provide that much in gameplay. It’s mostly, if not entirely, cutscenes, visuals, and stories. Steel Wool Studios is an animation studio pretending to be a video game studio. Simple as that.
@@ItsMemeTimeBoi that doesn't exclude the impact Help Wanted 1&2 had made on the franchise btw. Both of these games alone shows that Steel Wool is worth for the franchise even after everything that happened with Security Breach.
"hes the perfect retconning tool" As if he wasnt planned the whole fucking time. The books were being written in 2019. 🙄 Just admit you fell for it. I think almost everyone did. Even Steel Wool did, lmfao.
If Steel Wool made a game with no idea about the Mimic it isnt player foult for not beliving in the Mimic, if the game was made with no Mimic in mind it is kinda a redcon
@@kubaxterg9994 he was Scott's plan and was hinted in HW and in SB. SWS just didn't know what Scott's Easter eggs meant. While SWS never planned him, Scott 100% did.
@@at_witts_end3470 if there was no plan of him in SB it is kinda a Redcon, doesn't matter who made a mistake at the end of the day the studio who didnthe gamę didnt plan him
@@kubaxterg9994 He was planned by Scott and Scott left plenty of clues(ones that are particularly obvious in hindsight like the sticky note room and the drawing of Glitchtrap's ears coming out of an Endoskeleton). Wether Steel Wool knew or not, it being the Mimic does not contradict anything and has enough clear hints.
Uhh guys, the mimic isn't a retcon, but the 2019 copyright date isn't good evidence since its literally outlined 6 months before release (covers are finished before the story is even written
With all due respect, and I dont usually do this, but I would just like to analyse some of ur points about Steel Wool, now, I know usually, u do very well-researched videos, seeing ur PVZ video long ago, and how well-researched it was, I would like to say that I dont think Steel Wool is as bad as u make them out to be, they aren't perfect, but they are no triple A studio levels of dickbags, and im not sugar coating it, lets be real, as much as I liked Security Breach, its a bad game, period. But I wouldn't say they're souless and terrible at their job, u can tell that they have a passion for this series, which is very hard to find nowdays in studios, I think we shouldn't paint Steel Wool as they're villains, and start to criticise them from an actual constructive view point. I think the biggest fuck-up Steel Wool did, was in the release of Security Breach, the game came out way more expensive here in Brazil for one day, but it felt more like an accident than a scam. I think Steel Wool isin't a bad studio, they are just...new...which isin't necessarilly bad, you also seemed to have miss-interpreted some of the interviews. I really am not coming out as someone who hates this video, I just want to tell u what I think is wrong. And for the people saying: Blaah blaaah blaaaaah, we cant be nice to them either cuz they need to learn!!11!!!!11 I agree, a 100%, but theres a clear difference between saying things that are accusatory at best and actual criticism. FNaF comunity has been in a pretty divisive spot, and I honestly feel like we all just need to start being more critical about Steel Wool rather than explosive.
Everything goes wrong in discussions when Steel Wool is placed into lore discussions and not about game design, stability, etc. When clearly it was Scott who screwed up the lore which apparently did the same thing with Mega Cat Studios on Into the Pit. Parece que tu é BR conhece o Toy Core?
The amount of comments on this glazing Steel Wool and trying to shield them from criticism is truly sad. Even if Scott didn't tell them the story... they're still responsible for the quality of the rest of the game? The plot of the game is honestly small potatoes when literally everything else about it is truly unfinished and awful.
I don't really blame those who are glazing on Steel Wool tbh. Just because they made one bad game (that being Security Breach), doesn't mean that they broke FNAF forever. People need to get the fuck over it.
@FiremanSamBoy2008their one bad game was fnaf's big jump to triple e games, and it flopped hard. this game was meant to be people's introductions to fnaf, it was in E3, it was in the game awards, it was in a playstation direct, yet because of steel wool's negligence the game came out with more glitches than any human can count. stories dont make games, gameplay makes games, and this game somehow managed to be less fun than watching paint dry
@@haja. I'm aware but people like you are so god damn stupid for acting like Steel Wool broke FNAF forever just because of Security Breach. Get over it
@FiremanSamBoy2008 If the community doesn't voice our opinions on the issues in security breach and ruin (even 3 years later) steel wool and scott wont know what to improve upon. That one bad game made a HUGE impact and permanently changed fnaf forever whether it was good or bad.
If Scott already had a secret story that all the little puzzle pieces Steel Wool was given fit into and thus he didn’t want them creating their own story for those pieces then why the hell didn’t he at least tell them that?? Like it’s weird enough to just not tell them the lore at all but you’re also not going to tell them that there’s already existing lore for the game they’re making???? That’s so super weird
@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad I did it was awful. It had the exact same problems but worse. Acting like SW is the devil by using out of context quotes and playing JonTron clips to mock them isnt insightful criticism. And the focus of his video is all over the place. Its 1/3 criticism, 1/3 mocking and 1/3 shilling his consulting business. The business part is funny because i dont think anyone would seriously consider hiring him with the douchebag way he carried himself in that video. Plus his thumbnail is actually awful, idk if he changed it or not but he had 3 different fonts and visual clutter everywhere. Not exactly what i would call "good design" which is ironic considering his channel.
Genuinely fantastic video i have a..lot of mixed views on SW Studios SB was mostly Scott's fault, no doubt about it, but SW should not be babied as they, the company, still chose to release a broken and practically unplayable game that was $40 on release w borderline false advertising which shouldve been illegal
The way steel wool continually talks about SB as if it was some rousing success genuinely annoys me. They either dont care in the slightest about the sorry state of the game, or are genuine morons who cant comprehend the idea of something they worked hard on being bad.
@superlagbro192 theyre probably ashamed of it and just try to ignore how bad it was as much as possible unfortunately, SB is why they don't advertise fnaf games anymore
I'm barely getting halfway through this video and I'm so annoyed 😭 The fact you wonder how an indie dev, who was hired by FAZBEAR ENTERTAINMENT the damn guys whod know any and eveyrthing in their companys history (they literally remade the animatronics for the funtime delivery service come on dude think!), knew of characters ennard just to go and complain about confusion lore is very frustrating to me There's also the filler in this near 2 hour long video, don't get me wrong your analysis of HW Curse of Dreadbead and SB are fantastic, but I'm here to see steel wools impact on fnaf I don't care about your feels about the plushbabies, I want to hear about minor details about textures, glitches, ACTUAL problems with the lore (not your misunderstanding or personal gripes) NOT how good the Danger Keep Out game was
Yeah this video is far less factual and a LOT more emotional. It would be fine if he titled/ framed it as the reasons HE doesn't enjoy the games made by SteelWool, but he frames it like it's all legitimate reasons why the games are some kind of "downfall" or "ruining the franchise". A lot of the story elements being weird and fucky are literally Scott's fault, since he's never thought about the future of the story for a SECOND while making each individual game, and is far too precious about his storytelling to actually tell SteelWool enough to figure out what the hell is going on, so they can actually implement it into the games properly. This video with a title like that should've talked about the more technical side of the rushed and unfinished products, instead of all of the personal gripes he has with the story of the entire series.
the Mimic wasn't a retcon he was just very, very badly hinted (and maybe Steel Wool thought it was Afton), since the only ways it came up was in Help Wanted Glitchtrap was repeating Tape Girl's words just really distorted & the remade rooms from Help Wanted in Security Breach
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad okay, but they didn't really have a story to work with in the first place? I'm sure that if Scott just told them the story, it would've been a great game.
@@impixel7564no I doubt that it still would’ve been a buggy mess. Like hello neighbor was buggy. Ruin is less buggy and sb is buggy. I doubt this would’ve made a difference. It only would’ve like. Made the story more straight forward. Scott is to blame for sb being confusing asf and not like telling them to story but steel wool are pretty unexperienced in free roam games. And that’s the truth. Now im Optimistic over sotm but this is still the truth of steel wool are
@@crashbandit0483wouldn't have fixed the bugs. But would have fixed the lore substantially rather than resorting to books half of the fan base refuse to read because they're illiterate.
honestly i still find it baffling that nobody aside scott knew what the story was nor did scott have the foresight to ask them about the plot they written. like imagine if anybody else done that in any industry, like imagine deadpool and wolverine if the lead writer just told the set designers to make a tva set without showing the script and then told the directors to make the scene up from just the sets, absolute fucking madness, that's a mistake a novice wouldn't even make like HOW!??
Sigh this comment section is mainly bad. All I’m seeing are it’s Scott’s fault mainly That is so stupid, is it that hard to say the word both TLDR. Scott should’ve been more trustworthy and told the lord to steel wool BUT I don’t think it would’ve mattered cuz steel wool are still very unexperienced with making free roam games. TLDR. Both easy. Anyone agrees?! Anyways I just hope that ruin, Sb and help wanted 2 flat mode gave them better experience for free roam games at least But these are just my opinions
Yes. But the story would have been greatly improved had Scott communicated the mimic twist properly. Also 3/4 of the FNaF projects steel wool have done have been good. Help Wanted, Ruin, and Help Wanted 2 are all great. OP seems kinda salty William is gone
@@crashbandit0483 Ruin is super fun. Super spooky. Love the set design. Adore the lore. Just overall like...second favorite FNaF game after HW2 I think.
I just started playing this game a few days ago for the Nintendo Switch and I noticed lots of bugs happening every now and then. Such as Moon disappearing when he was just about to catch me. When Montgomery was running towards me I glitched right through him and almost every room didn't load properly.
As a person who made FNaF Art for about 2 - 3 years, I think it's wrong to use Fanmade Renders for an official product considering Steel Wool could have contacted Scott for at least an image of the official model which they could trace and not risk using a fanmade one by searching for the model on the internet. This stuff is accepteble only if you make it for fun and don't try to use it for profit and at least credit the render's creator or smth...
Had to comment to say fantastic video and thanks for making it. Steel Wool and Scott are not getting anywhere near the level of critical feedback I feel they’ve earned. Gonna have to hard disagree that the Mimic is an “intriguing antagonist” lol.
Burntrap is still William. Mimic is overrated and boring. I hate it. And i hate that people will now say EVERYTHING is the mimic. The mimic literally feels like someone inserting their crappy OC into the main titles Overall, though, i tend to agree. Steelwool can't really be trusted with fnaf and i know that's an unpopular opinion, but I've been here since the start, so saying i care about fnaf is an understatment.
The fact people still think Glitchtrap is William or mimic is a retcon makes me happy. Because it shows that despite yall apparently "hate the mimic", youre still falling for his act. Hes been tricking you and you fell for it every single time.
Well, when you have a character that it's only explained on books... That's exactly the point, tricking sounds more like make confusing something simple
@@nokrot Ugh. Do I need to quote Handunit again: "RECREATING PERFORMANCES AND PERSONALITIES IN AN INSTANT." RECREATING AS IN REPLICATING. AS IN MIMICKING. HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF A PLOT TWIST IN YOUR LIFE BEFORE?!?!
@@friendhuman he said there was one retcon and it was seamless, lol. Mimic was never a retcon. He was a plot twist. Matpat literally predicted the mimic in his first help wanted theory. The pieces were all in place the whole time. ORGN proves this. Its a teaser and scrapped Easter egg (after it was connected back to Showbiz) showing a beaten up looking Endo head. That's the Origin of Glitchtrap. The old head of The Mimic.
Yes, Scott made the mistake of not telling the plot to Steel Wool, but why didn't the guys working on SB pressed Scott to tell them more You're telling me Scott was cryptic and the folks at Steel Wool went like "Ight, fair enough" We can't blame one or the other, we need to blame both, Scott for being unclear and Steel Wool for just accepting things as they were
Scott's entire thing is that he's cryptic, literally everyone just goes with it because it hasn't failed until Security Breach where the poor communication just didn't work. Steel Wool not only understood that he was worried about leaks if he told everything, but also weren't communicating that much since Scott "retired" at the time. It takes a lot of reaching to blame Steel Wool whatsoever.
Hey buddy, I can tell the last section was inspired by my Steel Wool case study ;) The problem is, without the overwhelming evidence that I spend much time on, the fanbase will shut down and throw a fit, as you've seen in the comments. Although, some of the younger audience will do that anyway, as I've become too aware of. Feel free to point folks to my Steel Wool case study for excessive evidence on many Steel Wool (and post-patched Security Breach) topics, so you don't have to go through the insane time and effort investments that I went through. I'll likely pull out your section on speedrunning in a future case study since that's fascinating, and I'll credit you in the video 😄
Heyo! That last section I knew would be a tough pill to swallow for quite a few haha. Though I will say, I actually had finished my script before your video, and then proceeded to watch your video (while editing this video) and think, “Damn, he beat me to it!” I would totally credit you if I pulled something from your video, but some pieces of evidence was genuinely coincidence haha. If it’s true, then two people can independently reach the same conclusion…? :). I still will though edit the pinned comment toward your video just because it is very good and extensive. That’s the problem with writing about FNaF, there’s always more. Even 20-30 minutes per game felt like scratching the surface in some cases. As for speedrunning, go for it! The more we can get information into peoples hands the better.
@@Danerade Oh, I wasn't saying you stole from me! Sorry if I gave that impression! I appreciate the clarification and I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees SW for who they truly are, though I have new behind-the-scenes sources that reveal a worse picture than either of us thought... You're right that it never ends 😅 I'm always glad to work with other creators, so I appreciate your willingness to spread the speedrunning info! Much love!
Yeah, I’m sure dismissing the people disagreeing with and criticising the last portion of the video that nosedives into bad-faith “grrr this indie studio ruined fans forever!!!!!!” slop as just “angry fans throwing a fit” is sure to win over support. Totally. No flaws in this plan whatsoever The arrogance on display is unreal. You’re not the main character exposing government secrets. You’re a UA-camr
I know it's a pretty obvious opinion but besides Security Breach I think the gameplay has been fun, I just wish the story was better and didn't revolve around old characters coming back every two seconds
Only one old character has come back, that being the Bonnie Bully from FNAF 4(I'm not counting Jeremy Fitzgerald since if he is back he's probably just also been the Bonnie Bully the whole time. I wouldn't really call Candy Cadet old nor would I count the Help Wanted versions as anything other than perfect replicas by the Mimic. Everyone else, including William, is gone.
1:43:28 youre off base on this one. in the game dev industry, a common saying is "a game is never finished, just released" because there's ALWAYS polish and improvements you can add... but games are so expensive to make and funding is so tight, deadlines and budget limits force a game out the door at a certain time, no matter if its done or not. maybe they overscoped, maybe they overpromised, maybe their devs arent skilled enough to deliver. but without being in the industry, it would be pretty uninformed, irresponsible, and horrivly disrespectful to make a take on it.
so basically cassie's dad knows stuff and he is on the fnaf 6 location (in the real world) doing the stuff he does on the game with the vanni mask (doing the princess quest 4 ending and destroying whats left from glitchtrap) but well mimic doesnt like this so he ends up killing him and he ends up as the mask bot AND he gives roxy her mask she has in ruin after he becomes the MASK bot (and gives cassie the vanni mask) Also about this 1:35:34 what gregory does is to delete all the of the glitchtrap virus that was on the pizza plex systems and also with this making vanessa free, NOT totally deleting glitchtrap (cuz thats what cassie's dad does on HW2) and you can see glitchtrap waving at vanny so it could be a representation of vanessa with the vanny costume (now free without being controled) fooling glitchtrap to shortly after end him. So this could mean that vanny is not anymore a glitchtrap tool or something like that but its now vanessa who has control over it sorry if i explained it wrong or a lil bit confusing
I'm just not a fan of steel wool, It was Scott's fault for the way security breach was but his own fnaf games were better. The sci fi style isn't for me and it ruins it. I miss when fnaf was a point and click ghost story where the animatronics acted like actual robots. Never was a fan of the glamrocks, yes including glamrock Freddy, they are my least favourite groups of animatronics. I just hope Scott will come back to make the games himself, and make them the way they used to be.
@FiremanSamBoy2008 oh I know and what happened three years ago was terrible and I hope Scott and his family is doing well, it goes to shows the fnaf community is filled with psychopaths.
I have my own takes on this but I mainly think the issues can stem out both ways to steel wool and Scott. Scott being a bad lead is entirely his fault, but steelwool could’ve potentially hindered the mass lore break by like, rechecking with Scott to know the way it’s SUPPOSED to be laid out? Scott just straight not saying anything is worse, but it can go to both of them, but a little more on Scott’s side
THIS IS NOT A HATE COMMENT but please read I deleated my old comment since it got a lot of backflash after I said that I don't like Security Breach and prefered the og games.Though I do think I've should've explained why I personlly felt that these games fell flat (If you like Steel Wool FNAF go ahead all I wanted to do was give my two cents about one of my favorite franchises) 1: All I did was simply say " I wounder what this game would be like if it wasn't rushed" since there is A LOT about this game that I did like like The graphics Gregory and Glamrock Freddy ESPECIALLY An official free-rom FNAF game I love the concept of a kid and his friend snooping around a closed location overnight I KNOW Scott didn't give them the full scope and it's not really a reboot but the game looked like it was gonna be a new era of FNAF kinda like a soft reboot like how in Sonic Fronteirs the characters felt like how they were rather than being characatures like in Sonic Forces)after the og story ended in FNAF 6 and I think that if given another year it could be the best one because I REALLY WANTED TO LIKE THIS GAME AND I SEE POTENTIAL 2: I just don't like the new villains Vanny BARLEY exist Mimic sucks The glitch dude isn't even a threat just take the mask off 3: I just think Ruin is mid simple as that 4: I don't care for the books because they don't interest me hel I didn't even like the original novel trilogy All I said was I wanted a reboot to give this franchise a nice make over because even back then the lore was hard to follow and we've already delt with The Afton Family in FNAF 6 so I though we needed a new villain with a new story but this one simply just didn't do it for me Sorry if you like these games and that I'm not a big fan of this era but i'll stick to the first seven and Help Wanted one and two being the best
Before the lore of FNaF was difficult to understand, but most of it was in the games and the books were just separate stories. Now if you want to understand the lore it depends on you reading all the books including the Fazbear Fright books, which on top of that have filler stories and a lot of unnecessary symbolism, so now you also have to know what story is canon or just filler, know what is symbolic and what is literal. Someone who doesn't read the books doesn't know who Cassidy is no matter how much research they do, they're more likely to believe that Crying Child is Golden Freddy (which made some sense with that line "I'm gonna put you back together" but it didn't come to anything). To top it off, the triple A game in the franchise, which was sponsored as a game that sells consoles, the same game that was at Playstation events alongside God Of War and Spider-Man 2 as one of the main announcements, Security Breach, also, has this, to this day I don't know who Gregory is and I've played the full game, if you want to know about him you have to buy the prequel book series... Was it so difficult to put this in the game? I don't know, at least as an easter egg type, instead of putting those useless emails with garbage information, put, I don't know, a biography section where Gregory explains a summary of his story, it would be mediocre but it would be something. What is a Mimic? It pisses me off, it really pisses me off, FNaF didn’t have a good story but I was genuinely into the story, it was fun to find these hidden details in the games and I was expecting something interesting… but wow, now it turns out that Glitchtrap and Burntrap are… Mimic, a villain introduced in a book and the only way to know is by reading the books because the game doesn’t give any clues and the few that there are are forced references to the book… and to top it off there are 2 characters called Mimic? Seriously this was what killed my interest in the franchise, to top it off Mimic and all this wasn’t necessary, Vanny was already good enough to be a replacement, Fazbear Entertainment could be the antagonist, but god this sucks.
EXACTLY. Candy Cadet spells it out in Ruin. "They all died." Just move on bro. We got a new cast. There's Old Friends (Mimic, Jeremy), and New Friends (Gregory, Cassie, Vanessa), and even a Bear (Glam Freddy)
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p.s. I’m sure a lot of questions I pose have answers/theories that could apply. I’m all for it so I’m down to read your guys’ thoughts, just remember everyone’s perspectives differ :).
Also please consider checking out Design Frame’s video on Steel Wool: ua-cam.com/video/miufGZJSKL4/v-deo.htmlsi=-wkJiKGU5-_GDlN4 He goes way more in-depth than I do and is worth a watch for your own knowledge (and before I get comments, I finished this script before his video came out, yes we have similar talking points).
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I left another comment explaining in more detail, but this mess of a story calls into question what is real and what is artist interpretation about the original six games. Everything we see in those games likely was in this universe's version as well, thus explaining Ennard, Scrap Baby, and the other one you mentioned being in Help Wanted 2. However, none of this explains why Cassie's dad was in the pizzaplex before Cassie (judging by him being turned into the staff bot) or why him giving Roxy the mask in VR gives it to her physically.
@ClassicTnJ the server died
I do blame scott for not telling them the lore, which really fucked up the entire timeline that they have to fix
Agree that is really a dumb move. But I guess he kinda kept it a secret so it doesn't have a chance to leak out idk.
@@Blueguy404
To me, that’s a good sacrifice for the lore to be leak so a game’s story is good.
Pretty much. At least he took accountability for it in his second interview.
Probably the stupidest thing Scott has done, and he has done a good bucketful of stupid things. How are they gonna make the game follow the story... if you don't tell them the story?
He didn't have to do it for Help Wanted, which was way more simple in terms of story and it worked out wonderfully. He assumed he could do the same for SB, but with just how story driven that game is it crashed and burned.
Just remember though, Scott always learns from his mistakes
a whole studio of professionals vs scotts "solve my 3 riddles"
it's insane that all scott had to do was just tell them that they didn't have to try to connect the dots he was giving them
word for word
@@the_cat_the_catthe FNaF lore has always just been like that Wallace and Gromit scene with the penguin laying train track directly in front of a moving train, it's wild that these people thought there was a master plan
@@Imperial_Squid Technically there was. Scott had planned the Mimic since 2019 and Burntrap(as it was originally intended to appear) was supposed to be buildup for the Mimic reveal.
I wouldn't call them professionals
The robotic animal folk do in fact act out of the ordinary when dusk strikes indeed 🇬🇧
If William Afton actually was the phone guy
@@msgen02 He's more concise lmao
This is Michael as PG.
Honestly I don’t totally blame steel wool for security breach but I will totally blame Scott for being a bad producer and bad project lead. As someone who could’ve made the call for cutting back on the scope of security breach. That’s the role of a producer and Scott only really works as a solo developer and doesn’t really function best when leading a team
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Yup!!!
Into to the pit went fine thougj
@@crashbandit0483 That's because Into The Pit was based on a book, so there wasn't anything to fumble around with, just a nice an easy game adaptation. They had a solid structure from the beginning, so it all just took translating it into a game format.
Feels like you’re blaming steel wool a bit too much for the story being bad, especially since it’s entirely Scott’s fault for not explaining the story to the team. They worked with what they were given, and that was just a bunch of blank puzzle pieces they had to mash together. Scott should’ve corrected any errors Steel Wool made in interpreting his story before the game launched.
RIGHT exactly. Scott shouldve been the one to communicate what story he wanted to tell if he had such a specific vision in mind. throwing what probably seemed like random easter eggs at the studio during production isnt how it shouldve been handled
@@dyspunktional
When did Scot say he had any oroblem with this specific game?
@Adventist1997 In the latest interview Dawko had with Scott, he admitted he hadn't shared the plot of the game with Steel Wool during development. Instead he just gave them ... pieces? I'm not sure what he meant by that, but even he understands that it was a mistake and that it isn't Steel Wool's fault that they tried to make sense of whatever he was giving them.
There's interviews with Steel Wool employees that verify this too, with them saying that there were sooo many miscommunications with Scott. He'd just tell them to add something to the game without further explanation so they... came up with an explanation themselves, which maybe they shouldn't have, but the game had to make sense to the player as well so... I wouldn't be so harsh on them. Scott asked way too much of them with FNaF SB, considering they were a small team of VR game developers before FNaF.
Overall, if we're blaming someone, it should be Scott. Even if this was his first time working with a team, having everyone on the same page is like... something you learn in highschool? Team Project 101, if you may. It's the first thing you do when you arrange a team!!!!! How he never caught up with what was going on during revisions is beyond me.
@anonymouswinter
I interpreted that FNAF SB was the one they messed up on. He mentioned how SB was meant to have Burntrap just be an illusion/ghost. I don't recall him saying HW was messed up.
@Adventist1997 Oh sorry, I thought that went without saying, I was talking about SB too
There's only 2 people in the world that knows the full truth of fnaf's lore, and that's Scott and matpat, and neither of them are gonna actually tell us
And both of the above have different ideas about what the full lore should be too
(Almost like it's a hodge podge of random ideas cobbled together over the years... Nah, that couldn't be the case!)
Scott literally admitted that he doesn’t even know what’s in the box anymore.
He doesn’t fully know his own lore.
Yeah no, MatPat most definitely did not get told the lore
Bro was on a GTLive stream saying how the MCI didn't happen in 1985 but instead 1986 and will still time to time spurt crap about the books being exclusively parallels to the games.
He probably just met Scott, chatted with him over some food and then said goodbye
@JodiGeo yeah I ain't reading all that
@@gittattle bro, it's 3 paragraphs... Do you need Subway Surfers in the corner just to read UA-cam comments? Lmao
It was a culmination of pandemic, scott's bad communication, and steelwool's ambitions.
Weather they improve, is left to be seen, but in the end it depends on the person. Some like the current ai driven story, some don't. All i know is i have more hope for the movie series then the games.
Don't forget Sony pushing for a Christmas release and not letting steel wool delay the game
@@quintonheimann i think people often forget that security breach (and HW2) was something Sony had a hand in
@@quintonheimann Nope, don't bring Sony into this. Security breach faile solely because the decs are overscoping
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad dude, sure the Devs overscoped, but Steel wool wanted a delay so they could finish and polish the game, at least somewhat Sony said no so no delay (which people blame fans for sending death threats for it)
If Sony hadn't denied their delay than the game would've been alot better over scoped or not
I feel like the game has some big fundamental problems that just having extra time wouldn’t help tbh
3:38 as an artist I can confirm that it’s not okay to trace any images, that are not your own and posting them publicly as if they were. Especially as a company with such a huge audience you should know better…
Yeah, and I’m pretty sure you could even sue if they used your art for commercial purposes, right???
Not a lawyer, or a professional artist, but it just seems like something you’d be allowed to sue for…
@@RangerW36 if only there were laws around the right to copy something. Some sort of.. copy... right
@@azzy-551what a splendid idea
Though this isn't really tracing, it's editing renders, that are (to their knowledge at least) was owned by scott the team made an error and accidentally grabbed a fan render
Yea and you whould think they would have all the fnaf assets to use whenever and wherever
If I had a dollar for every video depicting Steel Wool as the one ruining FNAF, I'd become rich
I'd say both scott and steel wool lmao 😭so far i havent liked all of games from steel wool (yes, even ruin DLC, that one is overrated) it took so long for me to finally like a modern fnaf game which was the Into The Pit one.
I'm glad people get to catch on, how much Scott fumbles as a creator, instead of pretending he's some mastermind with high IQ master writing, and it only took him surpervising an indie game studio for people to finally realize that. Remember guys, Steel Wool is ran by people who try their hardest, to keep the legacy alive, while they do deserve criticism, don't forget they're still dependent on Scott as the person with the copyright... or however this legal thing works between them.
Edit: Ok, watching the video till the end, Steel Wool really needs to lock in, the fuck were those interview responses
Dependent on Scott or not, they suck as a development team. They're over-ambitious, and their leadership is garbage. Blame Scott for the lore (although the miscommunication should be blamed on both of them, not just Scott), but know that Scott is not responsible for the development of Security Breach being absolutely horrible.
@reaperz5677 yes true they definitely need to scale it down with their projects, but saying it was mainly their fault feels rather bad, and makes them seem like a scape goat for the community.
Look, i've been out of the fandom ever since Sister Location, and i'm still confused on that whole Scott's retired thing.
Well, you yourself said it: Supervising a indie game is not the same as writing it ._.
And trying your hardest does not justify major bugs, 0 game design and awful writing xD
@@nokrot
Yea i know, but i mean like, i don't see exactly what he can and can't work on, and if him retiring even ment anything in the long run.
@@no_fishman9669 blaming it on Scott seems to be the scapegoat for Steel wool. People need to stop defending them so they aren’t complacent to keep producing shit.
The saddest part of security breach is that the endings aren't just "comic books", they are literally just the storyboards with added color and animation, they just completely fucking gave up.
Think I read up somewhere that the comic endings were more of a visual clue.
The fully rendered and animated one is the canon route while the others that are comic book form aren't which means no one but Glamrock Freddy and Gregory were saved.
@@NibbleBiscuit64 No lol. The 3-star ending is the canon one. That's been obvious since Ruin came out.
@@NibbleBiscuit64no the fully rendered one is non-canon and burntrap doesn’t exist anymore
If I have my FNAF lore right, everyone here is right. At one point in time the fully rendered cutscene was canon, but with Ruin's introduction, the Princess Quest ending became canon and Burntrap is no longer a part of the timeline
Imagine having the fully rendered cutscene ending not be canon in your game lmao
scott being the main culprit to why fnaf story is so trash is like,so meta
3:41
As an artist - Do I condone tracing? Yes but actually no.
On your own, tracing can be proven to be a learning tool. Like if you're having trouble with a pose, expression, anatomy and etc... I traced a bit as a learning/younger artist myself and was able to get a better understanding of anatomy through it thankfully. HOWEVER, a line needs to be crossed if you straight up copy a person's art 1:1. If you say it's your original work and post it on social media, you're likely to get backlash and that's probably earned.
Like I don't see Steelwool crediting the original artist/modelers here. So hence why I think this was only meant to be a concept image. Or at least practice for the artists working on help wanted. To nail down proportions or get a feel of the characters. Something along those lines- and then when Scott asked: "Hey do we have any promo material?" Steelwool sloppily finished and handed it over. OR option B they didn't think anyone would look that deeply into it.... But whose to say
I'm just an Artist and former FNAF fanboy .p.
this isn't tracing, it's editing renders, which is different to tracing as it uses the photo itself as the art instead of it being a base to create a new piece
, and steelwool most likely assumed the spring Bonnie render was one of Scott's render and didn't know it was a fan render until it was pointed out to them
@quintonheimann I was mostly responding to the "is tracing ok for artists to do." point.
Think it's still incredible unprofessional to use someone else's work (and a fans' at that!) Without credit or knowledge of it being used for that purpose.
@@netherpearlnp33 to be fair, not even steel wool knew it was a fans
Cannot completely confirm but I understand why artists would trace to learn. as I have never traced art, like ever. I only do stuff without references or anything and it’s still fun, but I can’t get even close to drawing people. Tracing stuff and then bragging or even selling stuff is outrageous tho.
You know what, I am confident that they will improve. Only the future will tell of course but I'm hopeful because I look forward.
They’ve been improving
That’s what annoys me
Sure story wise they haven’t done a good job displaying all of it but I feel ruin and the vr games to
A lot of people that is
It’s made a fair amount of people feel like steel wool can do good
Something that annoys me with this videos how it comes off like I’m being talked down to and listening to a passive aggressive narrator while buying and wasting their money for people to see because it’s funny to themselves
Obv fnaf sb wasn’t great I agree to that but I feel all the points have already been made and feels tiresome
And then twisting words of what steel wool say or what steel wool does and assuming a fair amount
My apologies for the long replies but
I feel it was the best way for me to express why I personally dislike this video and what annoys me about those who are avid steel wool haters like danerade
@@skelebonez1349don't worry, it's important to make yourself the most understandable.
I agree with you here, although I don't think he is an actual hater (mainly because I've seen WAY worse), he is quite passive agressive and it does feel like he's just repeating the same SB critics over and over again.
@ I agree a lot
And yeah I got a bit to wrathful there but yeah it’s something I dislike about his content(or more so with this video at least)
He’s passive aggressive with the criticisms and repeats the same stuff
It’s no different than other things like the mascot horror stuff
I don’t like how the Mimic copied the Form of Springtrap/William Afton to pretend as if he survived the Fire at the end of Pizzeria Simulator when in reality the real Springtrap/William afton is dead.
the mimic is a cute concept but also an extremely dumb way to “bring back” afton. let him die !! bring in a new villain !! goodness.
@@uncorpscelestethank god the Mimic was a fake copy of William Afton, because God for big that William Afton comes back over & over again much like Sigma from Mega Man X.
Almost like it's kinda...his whole thing to mimic people or something
if you didnt know, that ending is not even canon so it doesnt really matter
afton is dead
@@at_witts_end3470what a garbage villain
While I agree that letting such an amateur studio like Steel Wool handle a game like Security Breach was a bad call, and the leadership on Scott’s part absolutely could have been better, I still can’t really deny the clear passion and care that the studio seems to have for this franchise. You honestly just have to look at an event like PaxWest 2024 to see that. They could have just set up a small area to play their new game demo, but no, they commissioned a well-known community cosplayer to make props for the whole event, added in games like arts n’ crafts, and gave away some of their props for free at the end of the event. I also heard that they even asked the people who played their demo for feedback on the game so they’d know what to improve. Honestly, this action as well as Ruin and Help Wanted 2 have showed me that Steel Wool does care about doing right by this franchise as well as the fan base, no matter how “in over their heads” they can be sometimes. It’s why despite everything, I’m actually really optimistic for Secret of the Mimic and everything that will come afterwards. Heck call me too positive and trusting, but I actually feel confident about FNAF being in the hands of Steel Wool now that I know from countless accounts just how sweet and dedicated the staff really seems to be.
from what i've heard from people who've played the demo at pax west Steel Wool was specifically asking on how to make it scarier
those games pop off because they're not overscope like security breach
I don’t like how they showcased the demo though online a bit. It would be better to get online feedback
An hour long FNAF video?
Oh, how you spoil us, Danerade.
It's actually closer to two hours my fine feathered friend 🤓🤓🤓
I see you everywhere.
And you have good taste I'll tell you that.
@Duffymuffy Heh... thanks bro 😼
as an artist myself of well over 10+ years, i can say that tracing isn't inherently bad. Many artists use tracing as a way to learn and develop new skills. However it IS bad when you decide to post the traced work on social media and doing so without crediting the original artist or without asking for permission.
Tldr: tracing good if kept offline / for practice reasons. Tracing bad when posted
I 100% am onboard with the idea that Steel Wool scope crept themselves into trouble with Security Breach. An interesting approach could have been to tweak the game setting slightly; make the megaplex be under construction. Some areas could be fully built while some would be rough. This could be a way to build out a slice of gameplay and do it well, then expand with DLC .
Burning that fnaf plush hurt my soul...
Rip Glamrock Freddy 😢
fr sure the game is a shitshow but the plushies are still cool and to my knowledge somewhat limited :(
Didn't you abuse your old editor?
what are YOU doing here 💀
The last section on "Steel Wool's Legacy" genuinely blows. The amount of misinterpretation you do in the interviews is really baffling, and I am not even gonna start about the outsourcing part, since I do not even know what you were trying to do there cause "outsourcing" especially ports and animation, is mostly normal in game development, especially considerating Steel Wool IS a fucking indie studio without a Nintendo ass budget to work with and limited time. The most ironic thing was you calling them "arrogant" when you through that ENTIRE SECTION sound pretentious as fuck, actually embarrasing, OH, and "I make my criticism out of love" isn't a excuse lmao. As someone who genuinely thinks your videos present a lot of fair and interesting observations on game criticism, I am super fucking disappointed, which sucks cause the rest of video is genuinely pretty good :/
Yeah, like, the bit about JTop saying:"Oh, I wouldn't really change It cause that might be a person's favorite part". That doesn't mean that Steelwool thinks sb was flawless, all It means is basically:"That's the game that came out, It could have been better but now that it's out, that's what It is. We are proud of what we made and would rather move forward than change the past".
Geniualy mind boggeling how he could have missinterpreted It so badly.
Edit: And before anyone says:"Oh, but you can't know what they meant; you don't know these people". I am not saying that there's no critisims you can give to Steelwool; but I geniualy don't think anyone can extrapolate what he got, unless actively being malicious.
@Chaotic_Overlord Yeah, besides that, the fact this video also ignores that a LOT of the problems these games suffer can go to Scott since like, the dude still owns the franchice and is the producer, which franfly from the way the Fanverse was handled between other dramas, the man is a TERRIBLE producer. Still respect his work obviously, but it's clear he isn't the best in a executive producer role, probably would help to have someone else to help him. Steel Wool definitely deserves some blame over how Security Breach was handled, but Scott is also a big factor on why that game came out as it did tbh.
@@ORandomRicky I'm sorry but this video isn't really that good, just because Steel Wool made one bad FNAF game doesn't mean that they broke FNAF forever.
@FiremanSamBoy2008 True, I just think some of the observations he makes about the games ARE fair, but yeah, those faults don't mean they ruined the franchise, if anything the PRODUCER ruined it's own franchise by being a bad producer (Scott).
Yes they can be considered an indie studio. That doesn’t excuse them demanding so much money and fucking up so badly. Scott told them to do some things. But only they decided to make SB as bloated as they did. Even forgetting Vanessa/Vanny. She did next to nothing in SB for all her build up. They overshot. They can take the criticism.
Rocket Money... more like... stop trying to Rock Chica...
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Good video other than the last section. Completely dropped the ball there. It's just a whole section of seemingly purposefully taking stuff out of context in order to make Steel Wool look bad. I'm not saying that Steel Wool isn't at fault for the buggy state of security breach, but you're purposefully manipulating the framing of the words of the devs in order to convince us of your point. The worst part of the modern state of the franchise-the lore-is ultimately the fault of Scotts' terrible management. Also, outsourcing is extremely common in game development, especially considering Steel Wool's small size. Ultimately, your conclusion of Steel Wool being the main issue with the franchise nowadays is completely unfounded. Steel Wool isn't the reason the lore is busted, which is ultimately the reason we aren't happy with the current state of FNAF. Steel Wool could've made a great game with connected lore had Scott gave them more information and time.
THIS
The lore was handled terribly by Scott, but that doesn't excuse Steel Wool's handling of general storytelling. And the lore is only one aspect alongside the dozen other post-launch issues. The quotes are not taken out of context. If you want to know the truth behind Steel Wool, I lay out overwhelming evidence in a dedicated Steel Wool case study.
@@vhs-star I'm sorry but this video isn't really that good, just because Steel Wool made one bad FNAF game doesn't mean that they broke FNAF forever.
@MutantMasterRace all of their games had horribly story telling and honest they were all somewhat lackluster. If i had to pick the best game it would be HW2 simply because from a gameplay perspective it was actually fun, non repetitive, and somewhat unique. However, i don’t think the quality of any of the 3 fnaf games they made are very high, and defending them like you are only makes them complacent to keep generating shit games and pass it off as “good enough” because they know people will defend them.
@@shutup4748 Security Breach definitely isn't great but people need to realise that just because Steel Wool made one bad game doesn't mean they broke FNAF forever.
The lore stuff was Scott's fault
He’s so addicted to his own trash lore he doesn’t even tell steel wool the whole story when they are literally trying to make a game based off the story east talking about now that’s just dumb
I completely disagree with the last part. Feels like you are blaming SW for a lot of things that they couldn't account for and misrepresent a lot of stuff. Like, how are they supposed to know what Scott wants them to do with the story, when Scott DIDN'T tell them what the story is supposed to be? Ofcourse they had to do the course correction together with Scott, when he realized that he messed up. They also had to deal a lot with COVID and Sony's deadlines, which is A LOT of pressure, ESPECIALLY when you yourself just have said that some of them are not even game developers.
And why are you putting off sourcing as a negative? Many companies do that, there is nothing special about it.
Overall, a good video that went downhill at the end. Looks like a lot of negative bias. I'm glad that i have a lot more confidence in Steel Wool. They clearly love the franchise and clearly are good artists. If they learned at least something from SB (which they most likely did, Ruin and HW2 are a proof of that), then SOTM and whatever comes next looks quite promising. Hope they will give DJ Sterff to Q&A their games more, he is one of the main reasons why Ruin had almost no bugs on release.
Good for them for listening to criticism and gives people hood games like help wanted and ruins.
but you don't have a right to be offended on their behalf
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad I missed a point, where i was offended? Pretty sure i only pointed out with what i disagree and what is my perspective.
These are common excuses from the fandom and I implore you not to engage with lies. The lore is only one aspect with the dozen of other post-launch issues, and Scott's incompetence with the lore doesn't excuse Steel Wool's handling of general storytelling that wasn't in Scott's control, though I'll go into excessive detail in a future case study. The issues occurred in preproduction before covid, and a further deadline can't fix a fundamentally broken game (not talking about the bugs). If you want to know the truth behind Steel Wool and Security Breach, I lay out overwhelming evidence in dedicated case studies.
@@DesignFrameCaseStudies I know about your video and i can't handle watching it because you do not hide your disdain toward SW there. And since you have the right to do it, i have the right to not engage with your content and search for this topic from someone with less aggressive approach.
@@NocturnalLaVenge Ah, yeah, the fanbase tends to hide behind the lies of attaching disdain to the topics alongside the obvious production lies that you mentioned, so I understand.
"The animatronics get a bit quirky at night" - phone guy maybe
Ralph the Phoney: The animatronic characters, do get a bit quirky at night
0:18
but does he blame them? no!
"Ruined fnaf forever" from one mid game is crazy
Lets ignore that Scott is still writing the story and everything that released since SB ig
His writing is terrible
@@dylanhudec979 how is that Steel Wools fault tho was the whole point i was making
@@DaGamingCore Never said it was all I said was the story is still terrible
@@dylanhudec979I agree. RUIN has my least favorite moment in the series from a story perspective. When we find Roxy under the forklift she completely loses all of her personality and for some reason starts to talk about Cassie’s birthday as if everything is fine.
And let's not forget the idiocty in the New Lore regarding Afton = Does he "always come back" or not??? Afton says "I Always Come Back" literally the first time that he has ever "come back" and then if you don't count Glitch/Burn to be Afton that means he "came back" once, THEN said "I always come back," then disappeared forever! If that line was meant to be a throwaway, Scott needs to SAY SO
Bro... the amount nitpicking you did is ridiculous. Yes, Steel Wool deserves legit critiques. But bro. Youre mad cause Nightmare Bonnie is a darker purple? Cause Lolbit had a couple eyebrows? White Eyebrows on its white face? Come on bro. Lol stick to their legitimate failings. They have plenty enough to not have to poison the water with these non issues.
"Plushtrap in this image is withered and has sharp teeth like a nightmare"
Who's gonna tell him that's just what Plushtrap looks like.
At least the vr games are great. Cant complain when only really one game of theirs is bad. They are very talented people and sorta helped fnaf get as far as it has in recent years
I agree mostly but you're pushing it towards the end
i wouldn't complain at all if they only make VR games but no they have to make something they never make before: a free roam game where they put too much stuff in it and later become a disaster known as Overscoping
@@Kasien.BKMRBBC They aren't though.
@FiremanSamBoy2008 they are they did not do all that 🙏 fnaf would have gotten this far without them
@@Kasien.BKMRBBC Btw I forgot to mention I was being sarcastic.
I feel like people are to harsh on steel wool. like didnt scott just not give them the story he had in mind? Just made them make their own
They have alright to be, they play their part in this as well not just Scott
Don't be soft on them either. Yes I agree they shouldn't be a fault for the issues with the story because that was Scotts Job but they are responsible for everything else. They made a buggy and a objectively bad game that was still not fixed after many patches with them saying they were content with the game. I think it is crucial we criticize steel wool so they will clearly know what to improve. I really recommend you watch design frames recent video on Steel Wool, it goes into more detail than I can write here.
@@HallowzDev While that still does not excuse them fully, I think that it is important to remember that being told the story bit by bit and having to constantly change/add/remove story stuff can also impact the development of the gameplay and systems severely.
FNaF fans when Scott literally has shown time and time again he has trouble communicating with other people (as seen by cut ITP mini games about Vanny being Williams daughter.): "steel wool ruined fuhnaff"
It was Scott's fault SB happened the way it did. Not steel wool. Scott didn't tell them shit.
Also, mimic sweep. He factually has more characterization, more voice lines, and more of a backstory than William Afton at this point.
... Plushtrap is already a nightmare with sharp teeth? Do you even FNaF?
@@at_witts_end3470 the mimic sucks
What was William Aftons biggest feat? I have to ask. I love Afton but like...did he have any feats? He was just a dude with a knife mostly.
Not to sound like a power scaler or anything, but that's the best way I can say this.
The way the mimic was introduced was lame and annoying, yes. The Mimic himself is such a cool character though, it makes up for it in spades.@@dylanhudec979
@ no it doesn’t William had an entire arc an actual good arc
@dylanhudec979 what was Williams arc?
"If he cut his face off hed be dead" .... No? Not even close? Sure it would hurt a lot and sure blood loss could eventually get him but no he wouldnt just be dead, do you have the alightest idea of how human anatomy works?
He'd be dead but springtrap is perfectly logical to still be alive
@wolfietronic356exactly. You literally hear bros heart beat in his salvaging section of FFPS too! Remnant and agony can do funky stuff, man.
speaking from experience
You’re not totally wrong, but any normal human would’ve probably passed out due to the physical trauma, shock, excruciating pain, and extreme blood loss, and would quickly die to said blood loss. Jeremy wouldn’t survive his face getting cut off like that
@@at_witts_end3470 so remnant disappears when it's a paper guillotine, also as others have said you probably wouldn't immediately die. Bite of 87 guy didn't die.
Security Breach was supposed to be the biggest milestone ever that also started the new era of the franchise, and they fumbled it.
I'm just glad that they redeemed themselves with Help Wanted 2 and Into the Pit.
Steel wool didn't make into the pit
@wolfietronic356Well, I speak mostly for the franchise. I'm sure Steelwool didn't make the story for security breach either?
45:04 I honestly couldn't believe that they had a magnitude of arcade machines in this game. And NONE of them were playable. Like, what?! Arcade games have been a staple of the franchise since the second game. It's the top thing people look for in every sequel. So how could they have so many arcade machines, but NO arcade games to play?
@@NoHandle44
Monty golf arcade
All 3 princess quest arcade cabinets
Bb world
I know nothing about fnaf, but I’m pretty sure this video is solely putting steel wool down to put mega cat up and campaign for them to be in charge of every single fnaf game onwards. And I mean, from what I’ve seen the vast majority of people enjoyed security breach and some of the most popular characters from the series (glamrock freddy, sun and moon) are from SB. I mean, UA-camrs are really good at exaggerating how bad something is anyway
And also, why do so many UA-camrs put steam reviews with changed text in their thumbnails? Probably a weird tactic to gain traction
omg this, like steel wool has messed up but it does feel like this creator just hates them
danerade has always been very skeptical about steel wool and a hater of security breach since the beginning. i dont think he's the best source for an unbiased analysis of steel wool's actions, as he's been negative towards them since day one it seems. while certainly an entertaining video, not the most accurate by a longshot. again, *scott openly admitted to barely communicating to SW.* if the man with all the answers in his mind didn't give the answers to the developers, how are they supposed to write the right directions? while it is true steel wool made these inaccurate games, the lack of communication from scott is the most prominent problem, NOT steel wool themselves.
@StingRai08 you guys are making me kinda nervous, like you’re acting like steel wool is problematic in some way and they’re morally corrupt. did the ceo get exposed for something or are you guys just upset with how they handled security breach
@@MochaSlushes I mean they did take a beloved game and made it a buggy mess with a confusing story (can it even be called a story?) because they're incompetend, set out to do more than they were capable of and STILL double down trying to pretend like the game was a success despite the majority of the fandom either hating it or being painfully neutral towards it
@@demonfromunderyourbed4580 that’s not what im concerned about. I’m concerned about if anyone was exposed for grooming or having an abusive relationship or something. Not whatever expectations they didn’t live up to.
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1:14:35 I am pretty sure the answer to this question is him being in safe mode after his system crashed in the opening cutscene.
1:17:05 While Roxy is alive after her "death"; (Honestly, I think that's also implied to just be a reboot but I may be wrong in that) that final line could be of Mr mimic since he can be heard mimicking Roxy during the fight between them.
yeah Freddy literally reboots in the opening and Cassie does the same thing to Roxy that she did to Eclipse so it makes sense she didn't die. She rebooted them which flushed the virus out of them just like freddy
“Safe mode” on computers is typically a mode that boots with only the basic software needed for it to run, no extra applications or software. Freddy starting in safe mode would run only his default programming, not whatever additional software was added to the others to make them aggressive. Hes friendly because his basic software is designed to interact with and entertain children, not hunt down and kill them
The reason the save system is like that is because it's what Alien Isolation does. It would build stress and terror because knowing the animatronics are right behind you as the save slowly goes through should be scary but the animatronics aren't the Xenomorph
To be fair, I don’t think Nightmarionne being in HW is them incorporating non canon stuff (at least not now) since it feels like they’re kinda retconning Nightmarionne into Nightmare’s original spot, which I don’t really mind.
I just think it's funny that both Security Breach and RUIN copied Terminator in different ways.
SB: Chica gets crushed in a trash compactor, and tries to reach out and grab the player.
RUIN: Everything about the Mimic is a direct copy of the T-800. They are both robotic endoskeletons with red glowing eyes, and human-like teeth, which mimic voices to lure in their target to kill. They also both reach through bars and try to grab the protagonist at the very end, in very similar fashions.
Scott's a HUGE terminator fan, and wrote a T2 joke script for the movie.
So...it's very likely T2 was a huge source of inspiration for Glam Freddy and Roxys dynamic
@at_witts_end3470 Which makes a lot of sense for Freddy. Though, I will mention that I wish they would've gone more in the direction of the first movie, since it's more horror-centric.
@@Ultra04channel here's hoping we can get a SB movie with the Cawthon Cut story.
@@at_witts_end3470 the cawthon cut XD
Im not gonna lie, I thought you died for some reason.
??????
Nah, Dane just regularly goes though hibernation months on end
He did, this is his ghost, oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
After making this videoI wouldn’t be surprised…
Unrelated Comment: RIP Danerade's Czechoslovakian Server.
I'll miss being there due to some of the members being fun to chat with.
Gone but never forgotten ✊
lowkey place sucked
Start is misinformed and disingenuous. I'm still looking over the video, but the reason that happened is because Scott had not properly provided them with reference models by showing them his own models for them to base it off of. And the Poster and Cupcake you saw were placeholders before the full release of the game. Developers tend to do that, especially if they're making a game inspired on a pre-existing franchise, using pre-existing models to layout the way things should be and slowly replacing those models with their own. It is NOT a sloppy approach to designing games. Many games - Fangames, and ESPECIALLY Triple A game franchises picked up by another company, do this. Using placeholder/reference models to be able to layout the way you want the game to look and the models you'll have to make.
Also, the 'Bug' you showed of Foxy's head is a counter-measure of the player not losing an key item to progressing the gamemode. If you toss it too far for you to be able to reach, it respawns, it was just convenient that it respawned and collided with Foxy's head, activating progress.
boy, i sure do love fnaf fans who can’t let shit go, this fandom is great
Best way to describe post UCN Fnaf, imo, is that it wants to be a forest without the trees. It wants to be a mystery, but there's nothing mysterious to put together, because all of the information is either front and center, or it's never shown at all until the story demands it so.
Edit: Additionally, Post UCN feels like it's trying _so_ hard to justify it's shitty story and character writing. It calls back to itself like "see, guys? Isn't this character/situation/whatever super cool?" while also failing to justify itself _because_ of that.
10:17 pls don't cancel :(((
i agree dont cancel
Same, don’t cancel
My ADHD ass bouta watch an almost 2 hour video in full with chicken tenders as a support
that is so fire
Okay, I have to admit you made a few good points in this video but just because Steel Wool made one bad game (Security Breach) doesn't mean they broke FNAF forever.
It's been 3 fucking years, get over it.
almost 4 years after they took over, we still have people arguing that Springtrap isnt afton and it was actually a retcon robot that first appeared in non-canon books
@@haja.Tales from the Pizzaplex are canon and Glitchtrap and Burntrap are confirmed to be the mimic, lol
@at_witts_end3470 that's what people kept saying about andrew and the vengeful spirit and look how that turned out
@@haja. Andrew is...canon? Return to the Pit plays on PitLoop theory very heavily.
The tales literally have a story all about Gregory being the other person in therapy. And about a guy living through the experiments in FNaF 4. And about the indie dev. And about a security guard who finds an abandoned Glamrock Mr Hippo and gives an origin for the magnet and a bunch of other stuff and has a map that is an exact replica of the one in the games, featuring DJ MM reaching into the bathroom and generators in the daycare structures, and the like.
This isn't like frights where one story is "FazGoo" and the next is "William Afton is in a hospital going through Ultimate Custom Night".
The stories not only all interconnect but all basically tell the story leading into Security Breach. Removing them from continuity is just asking for questions.
@@at_witts_end3470 "no, you don't understand. when MY theories are contradicted by canon, they're actually secretly canon. when THEIR theories are contradicted by canon, it was always like that."
do you seriously think it was a coincidence that the only explicitly canon version of itp would completely remove a character as important as Andrew and give his one defining trait to Cassidy for no reason? right after the game adaptation drilled into your head that something was up with the sixth victim? i respect the dedication but this is just cope
You see, Danerade sacrificed whatever memory anyone had for his previous plush series for the sake of becoming the next Theft King. We all owe Danerade from rescuing Theft from that abyss. I aplaud you, sir.
Bro waded deeper and deeper into the Red lake until he couldnt find the surface.
There have been some highest of highs and lowest of lows with the Steel Wool run of FNAF but I really am confident in that they have been gradually learning from their missteps and that they really do have the potential to take this franchise places.
I agree
Can you do a gambling video next please
Hey.... that's not a bad idea...
Since you asked nicely I’ll consider
Dude, it's been like 3 years...
Just because they made one bad game doesn't mean they "broke FNAF forever".
What about the RUIN DLC, or Help Wanted? Those games didn't break anything.
He doesn't like them because he wants William Afton back.
the original title was gonna be "A Deep Dive into Steel Wool Studios" (as seen in the teaser) but... clickbait...
I don't agree steel wool "ruined" fnaf, but I think they were part of the problem.
I mean,help wanted did make the lore more complicated but it was probably Scott who came up with the lore
@@at_witts_end3470 what is FNAF without william afton?
Danerade, you have never failed to impress me with your video creation skills. Keep up the A+ work!
Burning that Funko Glamrock Freddy plush is what I actually feel about it. XD
Not gonna lie, this video just sounds petty and just a cheap shot at saying "I just don't like Steel Wool! And I'm proud of it."
Most things you mention are not constructive, they are Unfair, Nick-picks, and also seem very petty. Also how are you still Blaming Steel Wool for how SB came out Scott has already stated it was HIS FAULT!? Hold up for second, let me also add Covid had also beaten up the development when making SB just like MANY OTHER GAMES!!! On top of that the last section, is HORRIBLE you also had to pull the "most criticisms are out of love" is COMPLETELY A LIE (for this video) Most of these 'Criticisms' are just stupid Nick-picks and many sources taken out of context.
I'd recommend Design Frames video on steel wool as a better source of constructive and valid criticism. He really gets into the real problems at steel wool and does good research.
I highly doubt it was Scott’s idea to remove the save system after 6 AM.
Steel Wool might not be entirely to blame but they are definitely not a competent game studio.
For the people going "at least Scott took accountability", I have a question: When did Security Breach come out? And what year is it now?
Does that look like accountability? No. He had them release not only a buggy game but one that at it's core didn't make sense...and then he did nothing to TELL us that. All the time people spent trying to figure out the damn story for nothing, it was broken. His idea of "fixing it" was releasing the Tales books. Which the community just fought over whether they are in games continuity or not. And he didn't answer clearly on that EITHER, so his "fix" is also broken.
Face it, he did everything to avoid accountability, trying to soften the failure and "make it work" and just like Steel Wool, left us in the dark on everything.
All this isn't to say I or anyone else hate him, I don't. But that interview confirmed that he can't be trusted and that's enough. At this point nobody should be saying "he knows what he's doing, he has a plan/intention even if we can't see it yet, it will be revealed". No, because now we have proof SB was always wrong. And if that could exist like that for years, anything could be.
The Tales books were literally being written since Help Wanted, that is just factually proven due to metadata in the digital version of Lally's game. Security Breach also does objectively have a lot of things solvable when you look back at it and Help Wanted, the rest could reasonably be treated as just hints to the ongoing mystery on top of that which are either already answered in books or still building up.
There are some things incorrectly connected due to Scott not telling them the story, but Scott did have his hands full with RUIN which was explicitly made to clear up all the mistakes and steer the story back on track.
He definitely made a mistake, but he wasn't dodging accountability, he just focused on fixing the mistake before apologizing so it wouldn't be empty.
@@traehignightbooks are outlined 6 months before release
Actually the likely route the Mimic is going is that it is mimicking Roxy after the elevator fall, using her casing as a costume and mimicking her voice to trick Cassie into leading it out of the sinkhole
We'll likely see this in EftPP as the other books seem to push the loop idea, so Cassie's bonus route being her removing the Vanny mask would make sense.
@@at_witts_end3470 how lost am i? tf is EftPP?
@mrp_izza they're doing a series of interactive novels (Choose Your Own Adventure Books). There's The Week Before (about Phone Guy), Return to the Pit, and Escape from the Pizzaplex (about Cassie)
@@at_witts_end3470pretty sure eftpp is a prequel to security breach.
@@at_witts_end3470 You forgot V.I.P. I would like to make a slight correction though, Monty is in perfect condition in Escape from the Pizzaplex so it is most likely Cassie backstory and not part of a loop
Bad leadership on Scott's part.
madness of creating a map so gigantic that it is not suitable for the gameplay of the game itself on SW
I stand by the fact that the jeremy story is one of the best moments in all of fnaf. An actually really unnerving story told in a very concise package. Jeremy has been built up in the previous tapes along with his eventual fate and that moment is just an awesome payoff. Tape girls ideas about ink and the Halloween mask also just add some classic fnaf confusion into the mix while also being a really creepy way of describing the situation. Also to comment on the idea that jeremy couldn’t have cut his face off, that is 100% what happened and it is definitely possible. You can cut or rip your face off and survive as long as you only go for the outer skin and appendages like the nose and lips. Tape girls mention of tape girl not being able to see his face along with the ink and mask make what happened pretty clear. Glitchtrap tried to control jeremy, jeremy cuts his own face off to prevent this, he briefly survives and tries to do something in the VR game before he dies, and then he dies probably from bloodloss. He could have also potentially survived due to some HW2 info but I digress.
I once described FNAF lore as the "Western Kingdom Hearts" at this point because you need a whole damn bible to explain everything then and now to someone who doesn't understand it. Them retconning things over and over again just makes it all spiral and make it even MORE confusing. My brain hurts when I have to piece it all together sometimes.
Istg Scott thinks he’s the goddamn riddler from Dora The Explorer and I feel he needs to realize if he isn’t coherent enough he won’t have a good game that he initially wanted… everyone’s perspectives on specific things are different
man i can't believe Steel Wool didn't listen to Scott when he told them the story, which he clearly did, god i hope Scott fires them and make Mega Cat the lead devs for future fnaf games
i'm totally NOT being sarcastic
I sure hope mega cat studios doesn't think Vanny is William Aftons daughter who gave candy to the Glamrocks to make them sentient?
What the fuck WERE those Vanny mini games supposed to be saying? Aside from non-canon nonsense.
@@at_witts_end3470i’m pretty sure scott made the same mistake but with megacat lmfao.
@@turkeyman9914 yeah they're talking about megacat
@@at_witts_end3470 don't worry, Mega Cat are the Good Guys, they'll do the right choice
actually now i think about it, why was Vanny planned in ITP? she wasn't in the original short-story. did they make those minigames just to cut them? or maybe it's remnants (no pun intended) of what the original SB story was in minigame form for some reason? or maybe it's meant to be Mega Cat showing the middle finger to Steel Wool?
@@raikojanes5972 definitely don't think it's like that. I think they saw people wanted more Vanny and so they tried to add her to the game and then Scott had to pull them aside and was like "no. Guys. Stop. Just adapt the Stitchline stories and tease fetch. Please. I already have enough shit on my hands with Steel Wool messing up SB."
I do get the struggles of suddenly switching from practical offices to 'work from home', the game still was full price so that is a negative. Security breach was also the first time (I believe) that steel wool made an original fnaf game. The issue was that for some reason Scott decided to become the riddler. Mutliple story and techincal mishaps like this made security breach dog water. Yet, you can still see some scary and eerie portions throughout the game.
The reason why SB didn’t get shit was mainly because:
1) Fans went out their way to treat the game like it was completely made by 1 person even thought it was made by a WHOLE studio
2) Fans where adamant that criticizing the game is like “bullying people for liking it” or criticizing the whole franchise
3) Fans connected with some of the characters since it’s basically the only game (Other then Fnaf:World) to give the animatronics actual character and personality. Thus defended the game like crazy, cause they’re usually like 15, and at that point don’t understand its okay to like media is that’s bad even for 1 thing.
4) Fans didn’t play it, just watched videos of it so didn’t experience the annoyance of poorly designed sections, the pain of random game breaking glitches, and low preformance. They just saw some glitches.
It wasn’t the fans’ fault. They weren’t pressuring the devs. I’ve been into FNAF since FNAF 2, we only just wanted some breadcrumbs of information, because between February and September of 2021 we had no news about security breach.
In reality, Scott never told Steel Wool the plot for the game, and Steel Wool does not know how to make a game like security breach. Resulting in the game not only being glitchy, but fundamentally flawed at its very core, that will take years for it to be “fixed”. The Security Breach section in this video goes into detail about how flawed Security Breach is.
They only made VR games before, and even those are wishy washy in terms of gameplay.
Also, when you look at the biographies of the *main people behind Steel Wool as a company and dev studio,* you’ll notice that all of them *never worked at a proper game studio before.*
They all worked at Pixar or other *animation* studios, not game studios.
Jason Topolski, one of the main CEOs, did work at TellTale Games. But games made by TellTale don’t provide that much in gameplay. It’s mostly, if not entirely, cutscenes, visuals, and stories.
Steel Wool Studios is an animation studio pretending to be a video game studio. Simple as that.
@@ItsMemeTimeBoi that doesn't exclude the impact Help Wanted 1&2 had made on the franchise btw. Both of these games alone shows that Steel Wool is worth for the franchise even after everything that happened with Security Breach.
"hes the perfect retconning tool"
As if he wasnt planned the whole fucking time. The books were being written in 2019. 🙄
Just admit you fell for it. I think almost everyone did. Even Steel Wool did, lmfao.
If Steel Wool made a game with no idea about the Mimic it isnt player foult for not beliving in the Mimic, if the game was made with no Mimic in mind it is kinda a redcon
@@kubaxterg9994 he was Scott's plan and was hinted in HW and in SB. SWS just didn't know what Scott's Easter eggs meant. While SWS never planned him, Scott 100% did.
@@at_witts_end3470 if there was no plan of him in SB it is kinda a Redcon, doesn't matter who made a mistake at the end of the day the studio who didnthe gamę didnt plan him
@@kubaxterg9994 He was planned by Scott and Scott left plenty of clues(ones that are particularly obvious in hindsight like the sticky note room and the drawing of Glitchtrap's ears coming out of an Endoskeleton). Wether Steel Wool knew or not, it being the Mimic does not contradict anything and has enough clear hints.
Uhh guys, the mimic isn't a retcon, but the 2019 copyright date isn't good evidence since its literally outlined 6 months before release (covers are finished before the story is even written
With all due respect, and I dont usually do this, but I would just like to analyse some of ur points about Steel Wool, now, I know usually, u do very well-researched videos, seeing ur PVZ video long ago, and how well-researched it was, I would like to say that I dont think Steel Wool is as bad as u make them out to be, they aren't perfect, but they are no triple A studio levels of dickbags, and im not sugar coating it, lets be real, as much as I liked Security Breach, its a bad game, period. But I wouldn't say they're souless and terrible at their job, u can tell that they have a passion for this series, which is very hard to find nowdays in studios, I think we shouldn't paint Steel Wool as they're villains, and start to criticise them from an actual constructive view point. I think the biggest fuck-up Steel Wool did, was in the release of Security Breach, the game came out way more expensive here in Brazil for one day, but it felt more like an accident than a scam. I think Steel Wool isin't a bad studio, they are just...new...which isin't necessarilly bad, you also seemed to have miss-interpreted some of the interviews. I really am not coming out as someone who hates this video, I just want to tell u what I think is wrong. And for the people saying: Blaah blaaah blaaaaah, we cant be nice to them either cuz they need to learn!!11!!!!11 I agree, a 100%, but theres a clear difference between saying things that are accusatory at best and actual criticism. FNaF comunity has been in a pretty divisive spot, and I honestly feel like we all just need to start being more critical about Steel Wool rather than explosive.
Everything goes wrong in discussions when Steel Wool is placed into lore discussions and not about game design, stability, etc. When clearly it was Scott who screwed up the lore which apparently did the same thing with Mega Cat Studios on Into the Pit.
Parece que tu é BR conhece o Toy Core?
The amount of comments on this glazing Steel Wool and trying to shield them from criticism is truly sad.
Even if Scott didn't tell them the story... they're still responsible for the quality of the rest of the game? The plot of the game is honestly small potatoes when literally everything else about it is truly unfinished and awful.
I don't really blame those who are glazing on Steel Wool tbh.
Just because they made one bad game (that being Security Breach), doesn't mean that they broke FNAF forever.
People need to get the fuck over it.
@FiremanSamBoy2008their one bad game was fnaf's big jump to triple e games, and it flopped hard. this game was meant to be people's introductions to fnaf, it was in E3, it was in the game awards, it was in a playstation direct, yet because of steel wool's negligence the game came out with more glitches than any human can count.
stories dont make games, gameplay makes games, and this game somehow managed to be less fun than watching paint dry
@@haja. I'm aware but people like you are so god damn stupid for acting like Steel Wool broke FNAF forever just because of Security Breach.
Get over it
THANK YOU
@FiremanSamBoy2008 If the community doesn't voice our opinions on the issues in security breach and ruin (even 3 years later) steel wool and scott wont know what to improve upon. That one bad game made a HUGE impact and permanently changed fnaf forever whether it was good or bad.
And then dawko interview 2.0 debunked your video
No. Just because one game was bad doesn't mean Steel wool ruined fnaf forever. For fucks sake it's been three years get over it
Facts... And Scot admitted it was HIS mistake by not giving enough lore for instead of bread crumbs in SB.
He's just salty Afton is rotting at the bottom of a lake right now and the mimic is the new big bad. :/
That's literally all it is at this point.
@@at_witts_end3470you don't have to reply to every comment to make a point you know
No, its good to point out issues in the game no one has talked about so steel wool can improve.
@@Notaxmer he’s a mimic glazer Of course he’s going to be an annoyance to people.
If Scott already had a secret story that all the little puzzle pieces Steel Wool was given fit into and thus he didn’t want them creating their own story for those pieces then why the hell didn’t he at least tell them that?? Like it’s weird enough to just not tell them the lore at all but you’re also not going to tell them that there’s already existing lore for the game they’re making???? That’s so super weird
Scott thinks they are going to spoil the lore for MatPat's sake 💀💀 Never heard of NDA's 💀💀
Just put the fries in the bag bro
24:45, most of those critics are valid, except for the critic that he'd be dead.
Springtrap is literally a thing in this universe
And Springtrap has a beating heart in FFPS at that!
Dude you need to rework that last section of the video. The misinterpretation and the arrogance (ironic considering what you said about SW) is crazy
you should watch design frame's video on security breach, that video shines bright light on steel wool
@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad I did it was awful. It had the exact same problems but worse. Acting like SW is the devil by using out of context quotes and playing JonTron clips to mock them isnt insightful criticism. And the focus of his video is all over the place. Its 1/3 criticism, 1/3 mocking and 1/3 shilling his consulting business. The business part is funny because i dont think anyone would seriously consider hiring him with the douchebag way he carried himself in that video. Plus his thumbnail is actually awful, idk if he changed it or not but he had 3 different fonts and visual clutter everywhere. Not exactly what i would call "good design" which is ironic considering his channel.
You edited two hours of video in three weeks??????
I would never be able to do that, even if I crunched myself to oblivion. Respect.
Genuinely fantastic video i have a..lot of mixed views on SW Studios
SB was mostly Scott's fault, no doubt about it, but SW should not be babied as they, the company, still chose to release a broken and practically unplayable game that was $40 on release w borderline false advertising which shouldve been illegal
The way steel wool continually talks about SB as if it was some rousing success genuinely annoys me. They either dont care in the slightest about the sorry state of the game, or are genuine morons who cant comprehend the idea of something they worked hard on being bad.
@superlagbro192 theyre probably ashamed of it and just try to ignore how bad it was as much as possible unfortunately, SB is why they don't advertise fnaf games anymore
13:41 he turned into perfect cell
Glad you woke up from hibernation to upload.
"Japanese Soldier Who Kept Fighting 29 Years After World War II"
I'm barely getting halfway through this video and I'm so annoyed 😭
The fact you wonder how an indie dev, who was hired by FAZBEAR ENTERTAINMENT the damn guys whod know any and eveyrthing in their companys history (they literally remade the animatronics for the funtime delivery service come on dude think!), knew of characters ennard just to go and complain about confusion lore is very frustrating to me
There's also the filler in this near 2 hour long video, don't get me wrong your analysis of HW Curse of Dreadbead and SB are fantastic, but I'm here to see steel wools impact on fnaf I don't care about your feels about the plushbabies, I want to hear about minor details about textures, glitches, ACTUAL problems with the lore (not your misunderstanding or personal gripes) NOT how good the
Danger Keep Out game was
Yeah this video is far less factual and a LOT more emotional. It would be fine if he titled/ framed it as the reasons HE doesn't enjoy the games made by SteelWool, but he frames it like it's all legitimate reasons why the games are some kind of "downfall" or "ruining the franchise". A lot of the story elements being weird and fucky are literally Scott's fault, since he's never thought about the future of the story for a SECOND while making each individual game, and is far too precious about his storytelling to actually tell SteelWool enough to figure out what the hell is going on, so they can actually implement it into the games properly. This video with a title like that should've talked about the more technical side of the rushed and unfinished products, instead of all of the personal gripes he has with the story of the entire series.
the Mimic wasn't a retcon he was just very, very badly hinted (and maybe Steel Wool thought it was Afton), since the only ways it came up was in Help Wanted Glitchtrap was repeating Tape Girl's words just really distorted & the remade rooms from Help Wanted in Security Breach
it is NOT steel wool’s fault that scott sucks at like, being clear about what he has in mind, and that he also sucks at writing to begin with 😭
hate to break it to you but steel wool do play their part in this, not just Scott
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad okay, but they didn't really have a story to work with in the first place? I'm sure that if Scott just told them the story, it would've been a great game.
@@impixel7564no I doubt that it still would’ve been a buggy mess. Like hello neighbor was buggy. Ruin is less buggy and sb is buggy. I doubt this would’ve made a difference. It only would’ve like. Made the story more straight forward. Scott is to blame for sb being confusing asf and not like telling them to story but steel wool are pretty unexperienced in free roam games. And that’s the truth. Now im
Optimistic over sotm but this is still the truth of steel wool are
@@crashbandit0483wouldn't have fixed the bugs. But would have fixed the lore substantially rather than resorting to books half of the fan base refuse to read because they're illiterate.
@ yeah I still hate how people are mainly saying it’s Scott’s fault when that’s definitely not true
honestly i still find it baffling that nobody aside scott knew what the story was nor did scott have the foresight to ask them about the plot they written.
like imagine if anybody else done that in any industry, like imagine deadpool and wolverine if the lead writer just told the set designers to make a tva set without showing the script and then told the directors to make the scene up from just the sets, absolute fucking madness, that's a mistake a novice wouldn't even make like HOW!??
Sigh this comment section is mainly bad. All I’m seeing are it’s Scott’s fault mainly
That is so stupid, is it that hard to say the word both
TLDR. Scott should’ve been more trustworthy and told the lord to steel wool
BUT I don’t think it would’ve mattered cuz steel wool are still very unexperienced with making free roam games.
TLDR. Both easy. Anyone agrees?!
Anyways I just hope that ruin, Sb and help wanted 2 flat mode gave them better experience for free roam games at least
But these are just my opinions
Yes. But the story would have been greatly improved had Scott communicated the mimic twist properly.
Also 3/4 of the FNaF projects steel wool have done have been good. Help Wanted, Ruin, and Help Wanted 2 are all great.
OP seems kinda salty William is gone
@ ruin is not good but it’s straight forward for once
@@crashbandit0483 Ruin is super fun. Super spooky. Love the set design. Adore the lore. Just overall like...second favorite FNaF game after HW2 I think.
I just started playing this game a few days ago for the Nintendo Switch and I noticed lots of bugs happening every now and then. Such as Moon disappearing when he was just about to catch me. When Montgomery was running towards me I glitched right through him and almost every room didn't load properly.
As a person who made FNaF Art for about 2 - 3 years, I think it's wrong to use Fanmade Renders for an official product considering Steel Wool could have contacted Scott for at least an image of the official model which they could trace and not risk using a fanmade one by searching for the model on the internet. This stuff is accepteble only if you make it for fun and don't try to use it for profit and at least credit the render's creator or smth...
Had to comment to say fantastic video and thanks for making it. Steel Wool and Scott are not getting anywhere near the level of critical feedback I feel they’ve earned. Gonna have to hard disagree that the Mimic is an “intriguing antagonist” lol.
How can you know he’s not intriguing when he’s only appeared once in the games?
@ the same way Danerade thought Mimic was intriguing I imagine, only that I came to a different conclusion.
@@OrpheusMC
So you looked at it and didn't have any questions on what it is it why it was there? 😑
Burntrap is still William. Mimic is overrated and boring. I hate it. And i hate that people will now say EVERYTHING is the mimic. The mimic literally feels like someone inserting their crappy OC into the main titles
Overall, though, i tend to agree. Steelwool can't really be trusted with fnaf and i know that's an unpopular opinion, but I've been here since the start, so saying i care about fnaf is an understatment.
The fact people still think Glitchtrap is William or mimic is a retcon makes me happy.
Because it shows that despite yall apparently "hate the mimic", youre still falling for his act.
Hes been tricking you and you fell for it every single time.
Like...I feel like I'm bart watching sideshow Bob walk into rakes everytime I see an Afton truther
Well, when you have a character that it's only explained on books... That's exactly the point, tricking sounds more like make confusing something simple
@@nokrot
Ugh. Do I need to quote Handunit again:
"RECREATING PERFORMANCES AND PERSONALITIES IN AN INSTANT."
RECREATING AS IN REPLICATING. AS IN MIMICKING.
HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF A PLOT TWIST IN YOUR LIFE BEFORE?!?!
Scott has said before that the story has been retconned numerous times. Its not a crazy stretch to think this is one of them
@@friendhuman he said there was one retcon and it was seamless, lol.
Mimic was never a retcon. He was a plot twist. Matpat literally predicted the mimic in his first help wanted theory. The pieces were all in place the whole time.
ORGN proves this. Its a teaser and scrapped Easter egg (after it was connected back to Showbiz) showing a beaten up looking Endo head. That's the Origin of Glitchtrap. The old head of The Mimic.
Yes, Scott made the mistake of not telling the plot to Steel Wool, but why didn't the guys working on SB pressed Scott to tell them more
You're telling me Scott was cryptic and the folks at Steel Wool went like "Ight, fair enough"
We can't blame one or the other, we need to blame both, Scott for being unclear and Steel Wool for just accepting things as they were
Scott's entire thing is that he's cryptic, literally everyone just goes with it because it hasn't failed until Security Breach where the poor communication just didn't work. Steel Wool not only understood that he was worried about leaks if he told everything, but also weren't communicating that much since Scott "retired" at the time.
It takes a lot of reaching to blame Steel Wool whatsoever.
Hey buddy, I can tell the last section was inspired by my Steel Wool case study ;) The problem is, without the overwhelming evidence that I spend much time on, the fanbase will shut down and throw a fit, as you've seen in the comments. Although, some of the younger audience will do that anyway, as I've become too aware of.
Feel free to point folks to my Steel Wool case study for excessive evidence on many Steel Wool (and post-patched Security Breach) topics, so you don't have to go through the insane time and effort investments that I went through. I'll likely pull out your section on speedrunning in a future case study since that's fascinating, and I'll credit you in the video 😄
Heyo! That last section I knew would be a tough pill to swallow for quite a few haha.
Though I will say, I actually had finished my script before your video, and then proceeded to watch your video (while editing this video) and think, “Damn, he beat me to it!” I would totally credit you if I pulled something from your video, but some pieces of evidence was genuinely coincidence haha. If it’s true, then two people can independently reach the same conclusion…? :).
I still will though edit the pinned comment toward your video just because it is very good and extensive. That’s the problem with writing about FNaF, there’s always more. Even 20-30 minutes per game felt like scratching the surface in some cases.
As for speedrunning, go for it! The more we can get information into peoples hands the better.
@@Danerade Oh, I wasn't saying you stole from me! Sorry if I gave that impression! I appreciate the clarification and I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees SW for who they truly are, though I have new behind-the-scenes sources that reveal a worse picture than either of us thought... You're right that it never ends 😅 I'm always glad to work with other creators, so I appreciate your willingness to spread the speedrunning info! Much love!
Yeah, some of the takes in this comment section are awful. Loved your case study btw, cant wait for the ruin video.
@@HallowzDev ❤
Yeah, I’m sure dismissing the people disagreeing with and criticising the last portion of the video that nosedives into bad-faith “grrr this indie studio ruined fans forever!!!!!!” slop as just “angry fans throwing a fit” is sure to win over support. Totally. No flaws in this plan whatsoever
The arrogance on display is unreal. You’re not the main character exposing government secrets. You’re a UA-camr
I know it's a pretty obvious opinion but besides Security Breach I think the gameplay has been fun, I just wish the story was better and didn't revolve around old characters coming back every two seconds
Good news: no old characters have come back!
Uhh, maybe I should finish the video before commenting 😅
Only one old character has come back, that being the Bonnie Bully from FNAF 4(I'm not counting Jeremy Fitzgerald since if he is back he's probably just also been the Bonnie Bully the whole time. I wouldn't really call Candy Cadet old nor would I count the Help Wanted versions as anything other than perfect replicas by the Mimic.
Everyone else, including William, is gone.
1:43:28 youre off base on this one. in the game dev industry, a common saying is "a game is never finished, just released" because there's ALWAYS polish and improvements you can add...
but games are so expensive to make and funding is so tight, deadlines and budget limits force a game out the door at a certain time, no matter if its done or not. maybe they overscoped, maybe they overpromised, maybe their devs arent skilled enough to deliver.
but without being in the industry, it would be pretty uninformed, irresponsible, and horrivly disrespectful to make a take on it.
so basically cassie's dad knows stuff and he is on the fnaf 6 location (in the real world) doing the stuff he does on the game with the vanni mask (doing the princess quest 4 ending and destroying whats left from glitchtrap) but well mimic doesnt like this so he ends up killing him and he ends up as the mask bot AND he gives roxy her mask she has in ruin after he becomes the MASK bot (and gives cassie the vanni mask)
Also about this 1:35:34 what gregory does is to delete all the of the glitchtrap virus that was on the pizza plex systems and also with this making vanessa free, NOT totally deleting glitchtrap (cuz thats what cassie's dad does on HW2) and you can see glitchtrap waving at vanny so it could be a representation of vanessa with the vanny costume (now free without being controled) fooling glitchtrap to shortly after end him. So this could mean that vanny is not anymore a glitchtrap tool or something like that but its now vanessa who has control over it
sorry if i explained it wrong or a lil bit confusing
I agree that it is showing that Vanessa is free but I also believe it is meant to show that Vanny is still out there, even if Glitchtrap is gone.
I'm just not a fan of steel wool, It was Scott's fault for the way security breach was but his own fnaf games were better. The sci fi style isn't for me and it ruins it. I miss when fnaf was a point and click ghost story where the animatronics acted like actual robots. Never was a fan of the glamrocks, yes including glamrock Freddy, they are my least favourite groups of animatronics. I just hope Scott will come back to make the games himself, and make them the way they used to be.
I highly doubt Scott will ever go back to making FNAF games like he used to, considering what happened 3 years ago.
@FiremanSamBoy2008 oh I know and what happened three years ago was terrible and I hope Scott and his family is doing well, it goes to shows the fnaf community is filled with psychopaths.
I have my own takes on this but I mainly think the issues can stem out both ways to steel wool and Scott. Scott being a bad lead is entirely his fault, but steelwool could’ve potentially hindered the mass lore break by like, rechecking with Scott to know the way it’s SUPPOSED to be laid out? Scott just straight not saying anything is worse, but it can go to both of them, but a little more on Scott’s side
THIS IS NOT A HATE COMMENT but please read
I deleated my old comment since it got a lot of backflash after I said that I don't like Security Breach and prefered the og games.Though I do think I've should've explained why I personlly felt that these games fell flat (If you like Steel Wool FNAF go ahead all I wanted to do was give my two cents about one of my favorite franchises)
1: All I did was simply say " I wounder what this game would be like if it wasn't rushed" since there is A LOT about this game that I did like like
The graphics
Gregory and Glamrock Freddy ESPECIALLY
An official free-rom FNAF game
I love the concept of a kid and his friend snooping around a closed location overnight
I KNOW Scott didn't give them the full scope and it's not really a reboot but the game looked like it was gonna be a new era of FNAF kinda like a soft reboot like how in Sonic Fronteirs the characters felt like how they were rather than being characatures like in Sonic Forces)after the og story ended in FNAF 6 and I think that if given another year it could be the best one because I REALLY WANTED TO LIKE THIS GAME AND I SEE POTENTIAL
2: I just don't like the new villains
Vanny BARLEY exist
Mimic sucks
The glitch dude isn't even a threat just take the mask off
3: I just think Ruin is mid simple as that
4: I don't care for the books because they don't interest me hel I didn't even like the original novel trilogy
All I said was I wanted a reboot to give this franchise a nice make over because even back then the lore was hard to follow and we've already delt with The Afton Family in FNAF 6 so I though we needed a new villain with a new story but this one simply just didn't do it for me
Sorry if you like these games and that I'm not a big fan of this era but i'll stick to the first seven and Help Wanted one and two being the best
I honestly thought glitchtrap was gonna be William but as something more terrifying than he once was…. And not what we got (glares at the mimic)
Before the lore of FNaF was difficult to understand, but most of it was in the games and the books were just separate stories.
Now if you want to understand the lore it depends on you reading all the books including the Fazbear Fright books, which on top of that have filler stories and a lot of unnecessary symbolism, so now you also have to know what story is canon or just filler, know what is symbolic and what is literal.
Someone who doesn't read the books doesn't know who Cassidy is no matter how much research they do, they're more likely to believe that Crying Child is Golden Freddy (which made some sense with that line "I'm gonna put you back together" but it didn't come to anything).
To top it off, the triple A game in the franchise, which was sponsored as a game that sells consoles, the same game that was at Playstation events alongside God Of War and Spider-Man 2 as one of the main announcements, Security Breach, also, has this, to this day I don't know who Gregory is and I've played the full game, if you want to know about him you have to buy the prequel book series... Was it so difficult to put this in the game? I don't know, at least as an easter egg type, instead of putting those useless emails with garbage information, put, I don't know, a biography section where Gregory explains a summary of his story, it would be mediocre but it would be something.
What is a Mimic? It pisses me off, it really pisses me off, FNaF didn’t have a good story but I was genuinely into the story, it was fun to find these hidden details in the games and I was expecting something interesting… but wow, now it turns out that Glitchtrap and Burntrap are… Mimic, a villain introduced in a book and the only way to know is by reading the books because the game doesn’t give any clues and the few that there are are forced references to the book… and to top it off there are 2 characters called Mimic? Seriously this was what killed my interest in the franchise, to top it off Mimic and all this wasn’t necessary, Vanny was already good enough to be a replacement, Fazbear Entertainment could be the antagonist, but god this sucks.
He escaped from the basement
im so happy that spiff is here. the second you brought up speedrunning i immediately thought of him lmao. great video!
my question is *why would they continue the exact same timeline that has come to an end?* is it THAT hard to come up w new characters?
EXACTLY.
Candy Cadet spells it out in Ruin. "They all died."
Just move on bro. We got a new cast.
There's Old Friends (Mimic, Jeremy), and New Friends (Gregory, Cassie, Vanessa), and even a Bear (Glam Freddy)