@@SpiritOfTheLaw They automatically switch to range after melee finishes or to melee if the enemy's closed in. Other than that, yes, you can manually switch them too.
Every ranged unit have a melee attack in AOE3, including settlers. AOE3 is actually pretty interesting because for some units like Skirmishers, being forced to melee (because enemy melee units are attacking you) is a strict penalty. But for Muskets, you sometimes prefer to attack in melee because you do more damage vs cavalry that way.
@@sirlobster546 no, that's part of what makes it a strategy game, giving infantry a form of melee attack with diffrent stats is very very easy, and has been pretty common for a long time
As primarily an AoE3 player, I can see they have inspired themselves heavily on that game in the creation of these two civs. Things like the spahis, the great bombards, stealth units, and economies centered around cows are all features already existing in that game. This whole promo and expansion looks like a brilliant effort to breath new life into that game.
Turks have scountline and cav bonuses in aoe2 because of historic sipahis so sipahis are in aoe2 too in a way. I think these sipahis dont have anything to fo with aoe3 ones as these dont have aoe attack. Also, afaik sipahis are not heavy cav bıt a light cav. This is not yhe case is aoe3 so tbat game is historicluiy wrong innthat sense. Turks have better bombards in aoe2 too.
I have to say, I was worried that AoE 4 will be so focused on meta gaming (I'm casual/RP player myself) that no new civs will be created. I'm glad I was wrong. Also, thank you so much Spirit, thanks to your video, I found out AoE 4 is on sale (I don't know what my Steam was doing, I had it in Wishlist since release).
I used to play 2 and loved it. I got a steam deck to play with and I've had my eye on aoe4 4 a while but I just looked it up the community didn't really like it. Also there's only 8 civs ? Even with 2 extra... 2 had around 40 civs. 2 is 20$ on steam this is 30 now. I just tried it for 2 hours I like it, but I feel 2 would be better deal in terms of content
@@CaptainPupu 2 isn't really a better deal unless you take into consideration the single player campaign. Number of civs isnt that important to compare, because AOE2's civs basically all share the same template with some tweaks here and there in terms of numbers and access to units.
@@xatel_3914 single player is exactly why i, and i would assume other people would consider it. playing rts on the deck is possible, but highly from ideal or comfortable. for multiplayer you need a mouse and keyboard, and that defeats the purpose. that i got a pc for. so what is left is single player where you dont need lightning fast scrolling from a to b to micro manage everything. ive been playing 4 since and even though it looks good, im getting 2 since it has 150+ hours of content vs this game 20 or 30 and its been 1 year and didnt get anything except 2 new civs soon so its a bummer.
@@xatel_3914 Template model is a great term of their overall unit design concept. It's why I couldn't be bothered with multiplayer after finishing AOE2's massive single player campaign. I've been spoiled by many rts games that didn't overly rely on using the same template for all their civs.
@@udechile2497 Age of Empires 3 was launched in october 2005. Age of Mythology Fate of the Dragon was launched januari 2016. Thus Age of Empires 3 was earlier with switch units than Age of Mythology ;)
@@Stelphy876 You are right, but if i recall correctly that melee-ranged switching in aoe 3 was manual. edit: nevermind, i just remembered that ranged units attack in melee when attacked by other melee units.
While this's from a different game developer, an RTS from 2001 Battle Realms did implemented the auto switch between melee and ranged attack before AoE III. IIRC, the AI in Battle Realms is quite simple; Melee unit with ranged attack like Samurai (Which AoE 2 originally intended to be able to switch between melee and ranged like this, ironically.) will default to melee, and switch to ranged attack when pathfinding AI cannot find a way to attack the target it selected in melee, which includes when putting them on the Tower, obviously.
honestly sooo happy about the Malians! Their stealthy units seem so cool, especailly the gundpowder ones! Also all their units and gold mechanics seem great. Ottomans have a cool drummer and the certain free units thing can be balanced right still.
I'am kinda glad the game is really surviving, even though i'am invested more in AOE2, playing AOE4 felt really great and it felt like a unique take on AOE2 to me. i wish i could invest more time into both of them but i'll keep rooting for both of them
I would have gotten into this update but I wanted them to add Byzantines I really don't get the decision behind this would have been perfect plan to add them with the Ottomans.
@@wc618 I think some civs like Aztecs or Poland or Byzantines are very likely to be added in AoE 4, but I don't think it'll be know. The devs maybe want to be different from AoE 2, since the Ottomans aren't the Turks for instance. The byzantines are too much representative of AoE 2 to be added in AoE 4 like that I think
Taking advantage of the free "trial". Seems nice. I don't like the UI though but I guess over time I'll get used to it. SOTL talked in some video about switching between "classic" and the new UI, was that about AoE III? I haven't played yet. I didn't find such an option in IV. I like that units can be in multiple groups, something I've wished many times I had in AoE II. A group of villagers seem to kill one sheep at a time, unlike in AoE II, where they pick closest and waste food. That's nice. And the change I like the most, units can freely move through a group whereas before a group of units was essentially a wall. I haven't made it to the third age yet, so I don't know what else is new and useful. Rams being able to board 16 units without any upgrades is INSANE! Edit: Looks like MS did the right move by lowering the price and allowing people to try it out. Just bought the game.
It felt like a game I wouldn't enjoy too much on release, and then I didn't keep up with updates after that. The new civs make me more ambivalent, so even though I don't have enough time to try it out now, its interested me enough that I'm going to make sure that I watch some of the AoE4 games at Redbull Wololo, and figure it out from there.
You need to try it out yourself rather than watching e-sport games, a lot of great elements of the game cannot be felt by only watching it, try it for free while the free to play offer is still their
I play the game infrequently, cause balance, bugs and the general state soured me a bit. Reached diamond with prebuff china, by watching tourneys since its release. Games are fun to watch as balance has been tightened and agression + new strats are at an all time new high. For entertainment and learning value watching will do neatly!
It's a trash mobile version of AoE2. From the generic mobileshit cartoony artstyle all the way to the low content amount, awful "modern" UI and of course ocean of bugs and performance issues. They did not make this game with AoE2 players in mind at all.
I personally know a lot of Turkish people who will buy or get back into the game just because they have the Ottomans now. So it’s kind of a fan favorite, just a localized one. Anyways: ver mehteri veer 🥁
Funny because the turks were sidelined in the ottoman empire which was ruled by christian slaves and greek noble families and fielded armies composed of christians and forcibly converted former christians.
@@ANSELAbitsxb I did look it up before I commented, I couldn't find anything that backed up what you were talking about. Do you have a source I can read?
It'd be fantastic! I just bought the game myself with this sale, and I'm hoping the community becomes a little bit more lively because of this. So it'd be great if SOTL also contributed with a few videos :) this one certainly did the trick!
Ottomans look like more of an early Modern era civilization rather than a late medieval like most others. If only they made janisaries an archer instead of a gunpowder unit.
Ottomans were the first country in the world to establish specialized and permanent gunpowder troops. Thus janissaries are considered the first modern standing armies. So it makes sense. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_empires#Ottoman_Empire
I mostly did not buy it because of the huge priue (60 €, 50 € on sale). But 25 € now and 2 more civs sounds much more reasonable. The free week also is good for players to test it now who are hesitant whether to buy it at the reduced prize.
that 60€ price tag was the true problem why this game didn't take off ... and the problems at the start of course yeah, but still, the price is absolutely crazy (I still bought it because I just love RTS)
I think the RTS space is empty enough where the risk of the "ship sailing" for many is less of a factor. If the community notices the changes im sure some will come back just to finally have another game to play
Replace Sweden simply with Norse or Scandinavia as whole. 1st and 2nd age represent viking age Scandinavians, while 3rd and 4th Sweden and Kalmar union.
How I'm interpreting Ottomans is there combat will be extremely micro intensive, but their buildings will have technologies/upgrades to automate a lot of what goes on in your base. If this turns out to be the case this will be a very attractive Civ for Warcraft veterans, or SC2 Protoss players. I'm excited to see where they go with the civ.
On AoE4: Its a good game, with good gameplay and story. The videos explaining what is happening before each level starts really help to bring the game to life, and the educational videos such as the making of a castle, or maille armor really add depth to the history. I knew that castles took a long time to make, and that maille was a laborious process, but watching those videos for instance, really made it like, dang, they built all those castles and outfitted tens of thousands of soldiers with armor that they had to make one strand of metal at a time. I really wish that they had included the East Roman Empire in AE4, since they had their nemesis (Blobbasids) and now their arch-enemy the Blobbomans As well they've included other medieval great powers, why only include HRE when ERE was there for all of it?
Both civs seem to be more versitle and unique than I would have expected from a payed dlc with ottomans ans byzantines. Maybe they will still provide at least one campaign later on?
If they make Byzantines it would be awesome to have the Hagia Sophia as the first landmark you have to build since historically it was already built since the early middle ages.
I’ve always liked the game but there are so many aoe2 fans who want this game to die that it’s hard to get an accurate picture based on internet comments. Also I’m an aoe2 fan and have been for years but I just really liked 4 as well
the upcoming naval changes and rebalancing have already been announced in the recent patch notes at the very bottom, no speculation needed. they even said that it's coming in the same patch as the Ottomans and Malians.
Age of Empires 4 has become my personal favourite of the series. I ain't gonna deny that it had a rocky launch and a tumultuous first few months, but I've had an incredible amount of fun with this game, and my hope is that over time the extra content will entice some players to give it another chance
i've been waiting for an aoe4 civ that im interested in to buy the game and the Ottomans is one that i very much will be willing to main in multiplayer, im happy to finally see some civs being released
In one of the update blog posts they mentioned that on the new season (I guess it will start from October 25) they're revamping water units and it's going to be Rock-Paper-Scissors mechanics like it is on land units
that's super interesting. I saw a video published on the AoE channel yesterday a few minutes after upload and it said this is a PAID DLC. I couldn't find any shop link though only that it's gonna come soon. maybe an hour later what looked like the same video popped up again in my feed but just recently uploaded. Thinking it's just a simple reupload i didn't watch it another time and i only now found out through your video that this premium tag has been removed and it's now a free upgrade. I'm glad they went that way because it should definitely attract more new players and it makes it feel a lot more complete as opposed to the beginning. 6 civs just felt a bit too few after a while, especially if you don't enjoy all of them
I've been really enjoying AoE4 recently, overall the game is less complex than AoE2 sure and AoE2 is absolutely still a great title - but there's new mechanics like monuments, positioning units on top of walls, creating siege using infantry and having a lot more unique abilities for units, an example being Archers are able to setup stakes to prevent cavalry rushes.
aoe2 players have spent a lot of time getting good -- so they have a biased opinion of the game. of course you like something you're good at. aoe 4 is a great game
I just got bored of AOE2 just because how samey it felt. Most of the techs are are same. Units are same. Playing different civ barely feels different. And, I don't like aoe3 because... Just how quick paced this game is. But, civs are indeed different. Aoe4 is mix of these 2 and, I love it
@@venlocity2 less micro intensive is really the right word here. You don't (or can't) dodge projectile like a mad man here. but the eco management is a lot more complex and it's still a lot of fun
@@sniperjelly9537 dodging projectiles isn't all there is to micro in games lol. Theres plenty of opportunity to micro in aoe4 and id argue some aspects of micro are more intense than in 2 while others are less.
AoeIV already have units that switch between melee and range automatically in the Rus Streltsy who uses a musket but also has the best Melee DPS of the game with his axe. also you can see the Donso using their range attack at the 1:09 in the trailer. Also, Water was announced to be reworked for season 3 (the DLC will be released with the Water Overhaul) that's why they show an enfasis on water in the trailer
"Is this enough to get you interested in ao4 again?" Dude, a lot of people - like myself - have been playing a ton of aoe4 and enjoy it greatly. The game is doing better than you give it credit for.
So, with all the civs, they seem to try snatching as much an audience as possible by people associating . English for US and Commonwealth, HRE for Germans and, perhaps, Eastern Europe, France for, you know, French, Chinese for, who'd guess, China, Abbassids for the Islamic Countries, Rus for the Eastern Europe (which didn't turn out too well as Russia and Ukraine were mixed), and Dehli for India. Those are the richest/largest markets. Mongols stand outside - but they are needed for historical context and campaign, as they come into clash with China, Arabs and Rus. Now, Africa/people of African Origin get Mali, and Ottomans will appeal not only to the Turkey, but also Turkic speaking countries, like Azerbaijan , Kazakhstan. Notice, though, that they didn't choose Persia and Norse, which, from the perspective of the place those civs occupy in the history of Medieval period, may have been a more logical - but, as of now, less profitable - choice.
I definitely need to revisit this game, I never got particularly far with the campaigns even though I did find it enjoyable. But I still think I just don't have the time now that I'm older to learn a new RTS when I know I'll never get as good as my engrained AOE2 knowledge.
I'm super excited for this. They have done a really good job making each Civ seem very unique compared to each other. Can't wait/hope you can do some deep dives into them. Age 4 really did have a rocky start, but it's in a better spot now and getting better all the time. The Future looks bright.
I don't know what it is that keeps me from playing AoE4. AoE3 is actually my favorite game of the franchise because I played that game the most and it's what introduced me to online multiplayer games. It improves what I dislike the most about AoE2 which is unit animations, especially in combat and more importantly variety in between civs. Each civ has its own more historically accurate (for the most part) sets of units for specific roles which means I wouldn't have to use Europeean Pikemen with the English lions on the chest or crossbowmen for the american civs for example. I do still love AoE2 very much though because I played that game with my dad a lot when I was a kid and I prefer the game's balance for eco and military more than in AoE3. Also, AoE3's community can be super elitist at times, to the point where people refuse to play with you if they see even one "off-meta" card in your home city's deck. AoE4 seems to be a mix of the two so I *should've* fallen in love with it at first sight but I somehow didn't.
Lol historical accuracy when you're shooting a bombard cannon into a guy's face from 20 yd away and you have 20 Bombards even though 3 were made in the whole world
Yeah I felt like $60 was to much for me for this game after playing it when it was in beta, but I picked it up in the aforementioned sale for half off and I have been enjoying it
The Malians were one of my favorite AoE2 civs... Really happy to see them in AoE4 as well now and that the AoE2 and AoE4 Malians have similarities like the gold focus!
I've always enjoyed aoe4, but it really is in a much better state than ever before. Its balance is much better, and I'm having a ton of fun. Really glad the new civs are free and they're doing a free-play period and deep sale, hope that gives the jolt it needs to prop up player numbers.
This definitely convinced me to get the game. I wasn't really interested in the current civs except for the mongols, but the new civs are really cool. Especially interested in the ottomans.
Great news! Although I wish you could pick Turkic kingdoms in game based on what strategy the player wants, similar to what the Chinese have for dynasties.
Man, I wish I could enjoy rts games like I used to as a kid. Watching AoE4, the game I wanted more than anything for years, recover well from rocky start just makes me wish I had the mental energy or whatever it is I've lost to be able to enjoy the game.
CA : *expects you to pay 10$ to unlock the ogres that were designed and implemented before release* AoE4 : *we kinda messed up, so if you already bought the game and went out on a limb for us, these civs are actually free this time* This is how you do extra Faction content after release. This alone by principle, is enough for me to want to support them again.
On the note of units automatically switching between melee and ranged, in Age of Empires Online there is the Persian's Immortal unit, which is both an archer and sword/board melee fighter. Pretty fun to mass them.
Really had hoped they had stuck with more of an overarching civilizations and not done something as specific as the Ottoman Empire. I think the Turks would have been more interesting with age 4 turning them to the Ottoman Turks but earlier in Age 1 being more nomadic like Mongols.
I agree, and maybe Seljuks would have been better. But ottomans are still cool and I love it. Except like you said, maybe start as a Nomadic tribe or start as Ottoman Beylik then turning into a empire
AOEIV has a rought launch but from the start the game showed and incredible potential, Season 1 and specially Season 2 updates did an amazing job at polishing the game, and right now is really good to play, the gameplay is fun, the balance is incredible and i can't stop playing rankeds. season 3 is looking like is going to push the game quality from very good to amazing
I was a little disappointed at launch, but I picked the game back up on a whim a month ago, and it is GENUINLY AMAZING NOW! All the tiny improvements since launch have really paid off!
Good to hear! I played the game a bunch on launch, when Turin's YT channel was heavily featuring it, but then unsubbed from game pass. Just got it today because of the steam sale, can't wait to play!
@@EmperorJarin Excellent! My recommendation is to explore the "mods" tab in the menu. There's a lot of good stuff there, like custom modes, advanced skirmish settings, community maps, and population cap adjustments. Have fun!
Me and my friends will probably play the free version again. None of us have bought it yet. We're all AoE2 players, played AoE4 on release and didn't love it. But it was a refreshing change. We're interested to see it again after a year.
game did change and meta still changing to this day, many many bugs ironed out and most importantly (at least for me) siege got a rework and now you can charge cavalry to easily one shot it with their melee weapons not torches
Glad to see Age IV is doing well! I haven't been able to play it because my computer is a potato (I can't even run AOE2 Definitive, just the original). But I think I might finally buy it for the steam sale.
@@edelweissaven3780 But AoE 2 was already out for 3 years at this point + AoM came out that year. AoE 2 launched with the standard AAA price in 1999. That's something you can quickly find out if you read contemporary reviews from gaming magazines.
I was hoping the Ottomans would be introduced with a mechanic that changes the civ gameplay, turks being able to switch from steppe raiders into the Ottoman Empire. Glad to see AOE4 get some work. I kind of left it behind early on.
In my imagination i designed Turks to start as nomadic civilization which at the end of feudal age you get to chose between 2 buildings Khan's Hall and Sultan's Mosque. The first lets you remain as mobile cavalry civ with religion Tengrisim and the other converts you to economy and gunpowder civ with religion Islam. Overall chosing your civ's future is a unique mechanic which can be really powerful depending your matchup but it captures the essence of the civilization. Turks had various Khanates and settled Sultanates existed at the same point of the history.
@@uvuvwevwevweosas4459 Yes, exactly! The wonder mechanic is perfect for that. Several civs could do this really well, and Turks are perhaps the best. Having civs change dynamics could create an interesting interplay, where you can give enticing bonuses to how you play and choose. Encourage people to move during a nomadic phase. It's such an interesting mechanic in general. I hope they do something with Viking civilizations, as they changed the course of the history of many Kingdoms. A conversion choice could exist, boosting trade, cavalry, and tech, but removing raiding and bonuses from settling close to other civs. They became the Normans and ruled Eastern European empires not to mention Scandinavia of course.
2 new free civs is definitely a enough to try aoe 4 again. One thing i liked about aoe 4 over aoe2 is that the civs actually feel unique to play from each other. Hope aoe gets a big boost from the discount.
It seems that the direction they want to take with this game is the correct one, and I’m excited for all the dlc coming! One thing that I didn’t hear you mention is that the civs are gonna be able to be played in the next PUP (public update preview) which is taking place next month according to their blogpost in the Age of Empires website. This is a great idea because it both creates more hype for the update and it also gives them a chance to try them out before they are broken on release and tune whatever is needed.
Cool! I doubt that we can get used to free DLC, but getting Malians and Turks for free is gonna be cool! I'm sure they're saving Vikings and Japanese for paid DLC.
4:45 You're reading the text differently than I am. I read you pick which type of unit (from either barracks, archery range, or stable) and it will be produced. I'm fairly certain this is to suggest that you may pick any unit that would be produced from those buildings (ie not siege), not that you pick a building.
I will consider buying AOE4 when either they add or mods add (1) blood/decaying corpses, (2) projectiles that can miss, and (3) realistic unit scaling (I think this is already a mod)
Wouldn't it get boring if they started adding familiar civilizations from 2? It would be the same game in a different font. I've seen the Byzantines in so many games, what new angle could they do to make it unique.
They are both games based on Medieval history. There is always going to be massive overlap even with many aspects of AoE2 on release focussing on the early middle ages and AoE4 focussing later. As it is, although many of the names are different, the HRE is the only civ arguably not covered in AoE2. English/Britons, French/Frank's, Chinese/Chinese, Delhi/Indians (Hindustanis), Mongols/Mongols, Rus/Slavs, Abbasid/Saracens, Malians/Malians, Ottomans/Turks. The HRE could be tied somewhat to the Frank's (but they are really Easy Francia, not West Francia) or Tuetons (as a German civ) and Bohemia was part of the HRE as was Burgundy for quite some time, but I would say that the big gap in Europe in AoE2 is the Kingdom of Germany (such as the Bavarians or Saxons). The Eastern Roman Empire was a major player throughout Europe and the Middle East during that period. There is no way it isn't on the shortlist to be added to AoE4.
@@growtocycle6992 I am sure a Norway or Denmark civ is also on the short-!ist. Because, if nothing else, people love Vikings (just please don't call them that). I am curious what they would would go with for a Iranian Civ. It seems they want civs to use the names of governing entities (as opposed to AoE2 which generally uses the peoples, see Ottomans vs Turks), but Iran was ruled by others from the Islamic conquest until the 16th century (Arabs, Turks, Mongols) and I suspect that the Sassanids are a bit to early and Safavids a touch too late to really fit in with AoE4. The two options that come to mind are the Saffarids or the Seljuks, both led by Turkic rulers but much more focussed on Iran than most others for the period.
As a casual Aoe2 player i want Aoe4 to be successful. I couldn't stick to it because of bugs, unbalanced civs and water being broken. But still following Aoe4 community and waiting...
tried aoe4 today for the first time an being a aoe2 fan..... this game brings a fresh feeling.... bringing aoe3 and aoe2 together. i liked it a lot!!!!!
4:02 villagers do attack wolfs, boars and deers with a range attack when they are in range and melee attack (with a spear) when on melee. depending on where the unit are. My guess is : It will be as wacky and they wont switch to melee unless you micro them =x
ottomans were definitely the most important civ to bring into the game, as there is a very large AoE community in turkey. Apart from them, I'd say japanese are the most wanted civilization. Byzantines, while a popular civ, wouldn't be attracting people from any specific country. I also don't think aoe4 is played a lot in Mali, but at least the civ diversifies the roster more than byz
I've been playing aoe4 in a few months now and my god the game is absolutely phenomenal. And if you look at the stats the game is incredibly well balanced. Units and counter system is intuitive. Pathing and hotkey also feel so much better than aoe 2. Sound and music design is awesome. Graphic and UI seems a bit dull but I think it's intentional. You look at the icon and know exactly what it is. The only downside is probably the lack of casual singleplayer content. I still love aoe 2 but I'm really tired of 6 on sheep 4 on wood all the time, trying something new is exactly what I need.
Decided to give this a go since free week and honestly I'm pleasantly surprised with it. It feels really familiar but there's enough new stuff going on that it feels fresh. I don't think it would entirely pull me away from AoE II but it's been enjoyable thus far.
The game balance is objectively better in aoe4, especially that infantry can now actually compete with archers and cavalry at every stage of the game. The big, big problem is that it is so easy to get a lead that snowballing out of control is a massive issue.
@@satyakisil9711 Happy to hear that infantry is viable. It was always stupid to me that IRL infantry was probably the most numerous battlefield unit, but in AoE2 they just kind of sucked. Alright, you and sniperjelly have convinced me to give this a shot. What makes snowballing in AoE4 worse than in AoE2?
@@lightworker2956 In AoE2 you can dodge arrows and stuff, that lets you beat huge armies with small armies if the other player doesn't micro, and since microing gets harder the more units you have it becomes a comeback mechanic of sorts. Most people probably prefers not having to micro so much though. Other part is that you get rams in age 2, so you can quickly batter down defenses if the enemy isn't ready even in the early game.
I'm not a huge aoe fan, im super casual with them but for me aoe4 was dull as there was nothing to do but pvp. Campaigns were okay and fairly simple and short, and that's, really all there was to do in it. For me, without a lot of custom game support and more things to do, aoe4 isn't going to be a hook, no matter how many civs they add.
to be honest, its the 2nd most popular aoe game after aoe2 de. average aoe2 de may have 20k players over weekends, while aoe4 has around 15k. Still not bad, think defo as time goes on and more popular civs are added, we'll defo see these numbers evening out.
I wish this game would have more actions for military units, such as patrol, protect and, especially, that stance where units don't attack even when enemies are within range.
4:08 Well many people forget that Aoe Online existed or that AoE III is a thing In AoE Online there was the Inmortal, from the Persian Civilization, that had the ability to switch from Ranged to Melee depending in how close the enemy was to them. Unfortunaly this was only automatic. In AoE III ALMOST all the Ranged units can switch from Ranged to Melee by the same condition, but if you enable the advance formations in the options menu, you can change the stance of your troops. In that game the units gain different stats and advantages depending on the stance chosed by the player. (Like Muskeeter was able to inflict more damage to Cav with the Melee stance) Finally i don't remember well but also in Mythology some ranged units also changed from ranged to melee when a melee unit was on them,
We have absolutely seen automatic ranged/melee switching -- almost every ranged infantry unit in aoe3 does this
Really? I thought you had to toggle it manually
@@SpiritOfTheLaw They automatically switch to range after melee finishes or to melee if the enemy's closed in. Other than that, yes, you can manually switch them too.
Also all villagers in all games and immortals from aom
@@SpiritOfTheLaw streltsy do this already in aoe4 they have the close range axe thing they use
Every ranged unit have a melee attack in AOE3, including settlers. AOE3 is actually pretty interesting because for some units like Skirmishers, being forced to melee (because enemy melee units are attacking you) is a strict penalty. But for Muskets, you sometimes prefer to attack in melee because you do more damage vs cavalry that way.
4:09 Actually, in AoE 3 units automatically switch between melee and ranged attacks frequently.
They wouldn't even be the first ones in AoE4, as the Streltsy also have a melee Attack
@@warvinn Isn't that just a case of change in attack animation? Not two separate attacks with separate stats
@@sirlobster546 they have different attack value in melee streltsy in aoe 4
you can test yourself and you will see the dmg change when in melee
@@sirlobster546 no, that's part of what makes it a strategy game, giving infantry a form of melee attack with diffrent stats is very very easy, and has been pretty common for a long time
As primarily an AoE3 player, I can see they have inspired themselves heavily on that game in the creation of these two civs. Things like the spahis, the great bombards, stealth units, and economies centered around cows are all features already existing in that game. This whole promo and expansion looks like a brilliant effort to breath new life into that game.
The game is in a great state rn even prior to this update too.
Turks have scountline and cav bonuses in aoe2 because of historic sipahis so sipahis are in aoe2 too in a way.
I think these sipahis dont have anything to fo with aoe3 ones as these dont have aoe attack. Also, afaik sipahis are not heavy cav bıt a light cav. This is not yhe case is aoe3 so tbat game is historicluiy wrong innthat sense.
Turks have better bombards in aoe2 too.
I have to say, I was worried that AoE 4 will be so focused on meta gaming (I'm casual/RP player myself) that no new civs will be created. I'm glad I was wrong. Also, thank you so much Spirit, thanks to your video, I found out AoE 4 is on sale (I don't know what my Steam was doing, I had it in Wishlist since release).
I used to play 2 and loved it. I got a steam deck to play with and I've had my eye on aoe4 4 a while but I just looked it up the community didn't really like it. Also there's only 8 civs ? Even with 2 extra... 2 had around 40 civs. 2 is 20$ on steam this is 30 now. I just tried it for 2 hours I like it, but I feel 2 would be better deal in terms of content
@@CaptainPupu 2 isn't really a better deal unless you take into consideration the single player campaign. Number of civs isnt that important to compare, because AOE2's civs basically all share the same template with some tweaks here and there in terms of numbers and access to units.
@@xatel_3914 single player is exactly why i, and i would assume other people would consider it. playing rts on the deck is possible, but highly from ideal or comfortable. for multiplayer you need a mouse and keyboard, and that defeats the purpose. that i got a pc for. so what is left is single player where you dont need lightning fast scrolling from a to b to micro manage everything. ive been playing 4 since and even though it looks good, im getting 2 since it has 150+ hours of content vs this game 20 or 30 and its been 1 year and didnt get anything except 2 new civs soon so its a bummer.
@@xatel_3914 Template model is a great term of their overall unit design concept. It's why I couldn't be bothered with multiplayer after finishing AOE2's massive single player campaign. I've been spoiled by many rts games that didn't overly rely on using the same template for all their civs.
Regarding the showcase of water units in the trailer, the devs already confirmed there's going to be a full rework of naval combat coming soon
I was going to mention this. Devs formally announced a full naval rework.
Melee and ranged automatic switching was implemented in Age of Mythology's engine, which then carried over to Age of Empires III
Which unit again in AoM? a hero maybe or a myth unit?
@@Stelphy876 The Chinese "Inmortal" hero
@@udechile2497 Age of Empires 3 was launched in october 2005. Age of Mythology Fate of the Dragon was launched januari 2016. Thus Age of Empires 3 was earlier with switch units than Age of Mythology ;)
@@Stelphy876 You are right, but if i recall correctly that melee-ranged switching in aoe 3 was manual. edit: nevermind, i just remembered that ranged units attack in melee when attacked by other melee units.
While this's from a different game developer, an RTS from 2001 Battle Realms did implemented the auto switch between melee and ranged attack before AoE III.
IIRC, the AI in Battle Realms is quite simple; Melee unit with ranged attack like Samurai (Which AoE 2 originally intended to be able to switch between melee and ranged like this, ironically.) will default to melee, and switch to ranged attack when pathfinding AI cannot find a way to attack the target it selected in melee, which includes when putting them on the Tower, obviously.
Musofadi Gunner: I've mastered the ability to stand so still, that I become invisible to the naked eye
honestly sooo happy about the Malians! Their stealthy units seem so cool, especailly the gundpowder ones! Also all their units and gold mechanics seem great. Ottomans have a cool drummer and the certain free units thing can be balanced right still.
I'am kinda glad the game is really surviving, even though i'am invested more in AOE2, playing AOE4 felt really great and it felt like a unique take on AOE2 to me.
i wish i could invest more time into both of them but i'll keep rooting for both of them
I would have gotten into this update but I wanted them to add Byzantines I really don't get the decision behind this would have been perfect plan to add them with the Ottomans.
@@wc618 I think some civs like Aztecs or Poland or Byzantines are very likely to be added in AoE 4, but I don't think it'll be know. The devs maybe want to be different from AoE 2, since the Ottomans aren't the Turks for instance. The byzantines are too much representative of AoE 2 to be added in AoE 4 like that I think
But I hope they'll add the Byzantines soon enough, so that we could have an Ottoman Campaign
@@wc618 they have to do a more obscure factions because of minorities.
I played around 180 hours from release to march (which for me is kind of a lot) and I am coming back for sure with this announcement.
Taking advantage of the free "trial". Seems nice. I don't like the UI though but I guess over time I'll get used to it. SOTL talked in some video about switching between "classic" and the new UI, was that about AoE III? I haven't played yet. I didn't find such an option in IV.
I like that units can be in multiple groups, something I've wished many times I had in AoE II. A group of villagers seem to kill one sheep at a time, unlike in AoE II, where they pick closest and waste food. That's nice. And the change I like the most, units can freely move through a group whereas before a group of units was essentially a wall. I haven't made it to the third age yet, so I don't know what else is new and useful.
Rams being able to board 16 units without any upgrades is INSANE!
Edit: Looks like MS did the right move by lowering the price and allowing people to try it out. Just bought the game.
Wise decision, making them free.
If i remember they promised to add bunch more Civs for free back when they first launched Aoe4
Water rework has already been announced. It's gonna have a rock-paper-scissors system across all ages for every civ.
It felt like a game I wouldn't enjoy too much on release, and then I didn't keep up with updates after that. The new civs make me more ambivalent, so even though I don't have enough time to try it out now, its interested me enough that I'm going to make sure that I watch some of the AoE4 games at Redbull Wololo, and figure it out from there.
You need to try it out yourself rather than watching e-sport games, a lot of great elements of the game cannot be felt by only watching it, try it for free while the free to play offer is still their
I play the game infrequently, cause balance, bugs and the general state soured me a bit.
Reached diamond with prebuff china, by watching tourneys since its release.
Games are fun to watch as balance has been tightened and agression + new strats are at an all time new high.
For entertainment and learning value watching will do neatly!
It's free to play this week on steam! Try it out!
Agent Vampires looks really great!
Also: I love autogenerated subtitles.
*Asian Umpires
we need you in the aoe 4 community :( it is a wonderful game
aoe2 ftw
It's a trash mobile version of AoE2. From the generic mobileshit cartoony artstyle all the way to the low content amount, awful "modern" UI and of course ocean of bugs and performance issues. They did not make this game with AoE2 players in mind at all.
@@TheJohn_Highwayidk why u so frustrated?😂😂 its just a game. If u don t like it, then don t play it
I personally know a lot of Turkish people who will buy or get back into the game just because they have the Ottomans now. So it’s kind of a fan favorite, just a localized one.
Anyways: ver mehteri veer 🥁
Funny because the turks were sidelined in the ottoman empire which was ruled by christian slaves and greek noble families and fielded armies composed of christians and forcibly converted former christians.
@@ANSELAbitsxb Pretty sure that's not true. The sidelined part, not the part about fielding christian slaves.
@@beganfish You're more than welcome to look it up and better yourself.
@@ANSELAbitsxb I did look it up before I commented, I couldn't find anything that backed up what you were talking about. Do you have a source I can read?
@@ANSELAbitsxb you must be one of those greeks that thinks istanbul should be reconquered and renamed to constantinople
Really appreciate the AoE4 content!! Keep it up. Would love to see your AoE2 analysis-style videos on some of AoE4's mechanics.
It'd be fantastic!
I just bought the game myself with this sale, and I'm hoping the community becomes a little bit more lively because of this.
So it'd be great if SOTL also contributed with a few videos :) this one certainly did the trick!
Agreed
I'm really hyped for the Ottoman, always loved them in Aoe 3
Ottomans look like more of an early Modern era civilization rather than a late medieval like most others. If only they made janisaries an archer instead of a gunpowder unit.
Ottomans were the first country in the world to establish specialized and permanent gunpowder troops. Thus janissaries are considered the first modern standing armies. So it makes sense.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_empires#Ottoman_Empire
If you look closely there is Janissaries holding arches too, maybe gunpowder will be an upgrade
I mostly did not buy it because of the huge priue (60 €, 50 € on sale). But 25 € now and 2 more civs sounds much more reasonable.
The free week also is good for players to test it now who are hesitant whether to buy it at the reduced prize.
For real, that massive price tag for essentially a multiplayer game is a joke, and the reason why I played on game pass. 25 quid is much better
that 60€ price tag was the true problem why this game didn't take off ... and the problems at the start of course yeah, but still, the price is absolutely crazy (I still bought it because I just love RTS)
I think the RTS space is empty enough where the risk of the "ship sailing" for many is less of a factor. If the community notices the changes im sure some will come back just to finally have another game to play
Loved how the automatic subtitles thought you were saying age of vampires
Also, would love to see an Iberian civ, the Japanese, and/or the Kingdom of Sweden.
Replace Sweden simply with Norse or Scandinavia as whole. 1st and 2nd age represent viking age Scandinavians, while 3rd and 4th Sweden and Kalmar union.
How I'm interpreting Ottomans is there combat will be extremely micro intensive, but their buildings will have technologies/upgrades to automate a lot of what goes on in your base. If this turns out to be the case this will be a very attractive Civ for Warcraft veterans, or SC2 Protoss players. I'm excited to see where they go with the civ.
don't you mean terrans from sc2? i mean they literally have a unit that can stim xD
protoss is A click
Thank you for AoE 4 content!
The game is awesome.
I'm loving that the empires in this game isn't so eurocentric. The variety in this game is amazing.
Ooooh time to finally try AoE4. I still never gave it a try as it didn't appeal to me but now I might just do so :)
Can't wait for it, great news for AoeIV Thanks for the AoeIV content!
On AoE4:
Its a good game, with good gameplay and story. The videos explaining what is happening before each level starts really help to bring the game to life, and the educational videos such as the making of a castle, or maille armor really add depth to the history. I knew that castles took a long time to make, and that maille was a laborious process, but watching those videos for instance, really made it like, dang, they built all those castles and outfitted tens of thousands of soldiers with armor that they had to make one strand of metal at a time. I really wish that they had included the East Roman Empire in AE4, since they had their nemesis (Blobbasids) and now their arch-enemy the Blobbomans As well they've included other medieval great powers, why only include HRE when ERE was there for all of it?
Pretty hyped about this! I hope we'll see Vikings at some point tho.
The Kalmar Union
Anachronism and all that razzmatazz
@@royasturias1784 I and II ages as vikings, III and IV as Kalmar union.
I really hope they came with scenarios or campaigns
Didn't they already release the scenario editor and mod support? YT vid ID: 95nLWgvVSK8 (Age of Noob going through mod support AoE4 - 5 months ago)
Now as link, see if this is allowed: ua-cam.com/video/95nLWgvVSK8/v-deo.html
More details on the next update on Microsoft stream on gamescom this Thursday, im hoping that too
I doubt it because its free DLC
I am very excited for this dlc but I really expected that ottomans came with byzantines and with a nice 2 new campaigns but I get what I get
Both civs seem to be more versitle and unique than I would have expected from a payed dlc with ottomans ans byzantines.
Maybe they will still provide at least one campaign later on?
If they want to keep DLCs themed to one area a DLC with Byzantines and some Italian state would be cool
If they make Byzantines it would be awesome to have the Hagia Sophia as the first landmark you have to build since historically it was already built since the early middle ages.
I’ve always liked the game but there are so many aoe2 fans who want this game to die that it’s hard to get an accurate picture based on internet comments. Also I’m an aoe2 fan and have been for years but I just really liked 4 as well
the upcoming naval changes and rebalancing have already been announced in the recent patch notes at the very bottom, no speculation needed. they even said that it's coming in the same patch as the Ottomans and Malians.
Age of Empires 4 has become my personal favourite of the series. I ain't gonna deny that it had a rocky launch and a tumultuous first few months, but I've had an incredible amount of fun with this game, and my hope is that over time the extra content will entice some players to give it another chance
please make more aoe4 video. i know you will get less viewers but theres so much content to explore with each unique civ
i've been waiting for an aoe4 civ that im interested in to buy the game and the Ottomans is one that i very much will be willing to main in multiplayer, im happy to finally see some civs being released
In one of the update blog posts they mentioned that on the new season (I guess it will start from October 25) they're revamping water units and it's going to be Rock-Paper-Scissors mechanics like it is on land units
@Spirit of the Law you should do more AoE 4 content!
that's super interesting. I saw a video published on the AoE channel yesterday a few minutes after upload and it said this is a PAID DLC. I couldn't find any shop link though only that it's gonna come soon.
maybe an hour later what looked like the same video popped up again in my feed but just recently uploaded. Thinking it's just a simple reupload i didn't watch it another time and i only now found out through your video that this premium tag has been removed and it's now a free upgrade.
I'm glad they went that way because it should definitely attract more new players and it makes it feel a lot more complete as opposed to the beginning. 6 civs just felt a bit too few after a while, especially if you don't enjoy all of them
I've been really enjoying AoE4 recently, overall the game is less complex than AoE2 sure and AoE2 is absolutely still a great title - but there's new mechanics like monuments, positioning units on top of walls, creating siege using infantry and having a lot more unique abilities for units, an example being Archers are able to setup stakes to prevent cavalry rushes.
I'm sorry it has all that and it's still "less" complex compared to AoE2?
aoe2 players have spent a lot of time getting good -- so they have a biased opinion of the game. of course you like something you're good at. aoe 4 is a great game
I just got bored of AOE2 just because how samey it felt. Most of the techs are are same. Units are same. Playing different civ barely feels different. And, I don't like aoe3 because... Just how quick paced this game is. But, civs are indeed different. Aoe4 is mix of these 2 and, I love it
@@venlocity2 less micro intensive is really the right word here. You don't (or can't) dodge projectile like a mad man here. but the eco management is a lot more complex and it's still a lot of fun
@@sniperjelly9537 dodging projectiles isn't all there is to micro in games lol. Theres plenty of opportunity to micro in aoe4 and id argue some aspects of micro are more intense than in 2 while others are less.
So glad to see Spirit of the law making aoe4 videos
AoeIV already have units that switch between melee and range automatically in the Rus Streltsy who uses a musket but also has the best Melee DPS of the game with his axe. also you can see the Donso using their range attack at the 1:09 in the trailer.
Also, Water was announced to be reworked for season 3 (the DLC will be released with the Water Overhaul) that's why they show an enfasis on water in the trailer
"Is this enough to get you interested in ao4 again?"
Dude, a lot of people - like myself - have been playing a ton of aoe4 and enjoy it greatly. The game is doing better than you give it credit for.
So, with all the civs, they seem to try snatching as much an audience as possible by people associating . English for US and Commonwealth, HRE for Germans and, perhaps, Eastern Europe, France for, you know, French, Chinese for, who'd guess, China, Abbassids for the Islamic Countries, Rus for the Eastern Europe (which didn't turn out too well as Russia and Ukraine were mixed), and Dehli for India. Those are the richest/largest markets. Mongols stand outside - but they are needed for historical context and campaign, as they come into clash with China, Arabs and Rus.
Now, Africa/people of African Origin get Mali, and Ottomans will appeal not only to the Turkey, but also Turkic speaking countries, like Azerbaijan , Kazakhstan. Notice, though, that they didn't choose Persia and Norse, which, from the perspective of the place those civs occupy in the history of Medieval period, may have been a more logical - but, as of now, less profitable - choice.
I definitely need to revisit this game, I never got particularly far with the campaigns even though I did find it enjoyable. But I still think I just don't have the time now that I'm older to learn a new RTS when I know I'll never get as good as my engrained AOE2 knowledge.
We need Magyars please!
But I'm excited for Malians too, seem like a lot of fun
I'm super excited for this. They have done a really good job making each Civ seem very unique compared to each other.
Can't wait/hope you can do some deep dives into them.
Age 4 really did have a rocky start, but it's in a better spot now and getting better all the time. The Future looks bright.
I am indeed disappointed that byzantines aren't being included right now, but it's good to see the game trying to recover its health.
I am mad that they called the HRE "Romans" when in the middle ages the byzantines holded this title.
I believe Byzantines will definitely come but on a new paid DLC along with other civs and features most likely.
@@luishurtado2170
>paid
lol, into the trash it goes then. As if I needed any more reasons to never buy this trash installment
I don't know what it is that keeps me from playing AoE4. AoE3 is actually my favorite game of the franchise because I played that game the most and it's what introduced me to online multiplayer games.
It improves what I dislike the most about AoE2 which is unit animations, especially in combat and more importantly variety in between civs. Each civ has its own more historically accurate (for the most part) sets of units for specific roles which means I wouldn't have to use Europeean Pikemen with the English lions on the chest or crossbowmen for the american civs for example.
I do still love AoE2 very much though because I played that game with my dad a lot when I was a kid and I prefer the game's balance for eco and military more than in AoE3. Also, AoE3's community can be super elitist at times, to the point where people refuse to play with you if they see even one "off-meta" card in your home city's deck.
AoE4 seems to be a mix of the two so I *should've* fallen in love with it at first sight but I somehow didn't.
You might try it for free this week.
The game improved tremendously since release.
Lol historical accuracy when you're shooting a bombard cannon into a guy's face from 20 yd away and you have 20 Bombards even though 3 were made in the whole world
@@MidwestBoom Well, it needs to start to be a video game somewhere, right?^^
Yeah I felt like $60 was to much for me for this game after playing it when it was in beta, but I picked it up in the aforementioned sale for half off and I have been enjoying it
The Malians were one of my favorite AoE2 civs... Really happy to see them in AoE4 as well now and that the AoE2 and AoE4 Malians have similarities like the gold focus!
I've always enjoyed aoe4, but it really is in a much better state than ever before. Its balance is much better, and I'm having a ton of fun. Really glad the new civs are free and they're doing a free-play period and deep sale, hope that gives the jolt it needs to prop up player numbers.
This definitely convinced me to get the game. I wasn't really interested in the current civs except for the mongols, but the new civs are really cool. Especially interested in the ottomans.
Don't get it. It's been dead for awhile. Check the steam charts.
@@TheBWRR they just gave a free update how is the game dead?
@@TheBWRR You mean the same charts that say that playerbase is increasing after they adjusted the base price? makes sense.
@@TheBWRR dont get aoe2 its been dead for a while compared to LoL
Great news! Although I wish you could pick Turkic kingdoms in game based on what strategy the player wants, similar to what the Chinese have for dynasties.
Man, I wish I could enjoy rts games like I used to as a kid. Watching AoE4, the game I wanted more than anything for years, recover well from rocky start just makes me wish I had the mental energy or whatever it is I've lost to be able to enjoy the game.
Just play the campaign's have fun with it. Nowadays, the focus on the online scene is intense, but not necessary
Here's hoping the two civilizations coming aren't horribly unbalanced, like certain civilizations were at launch
CA : *expects you to pay 10$ to unlock the ogres that were designed and implemented before release*
AoE4 : *we kinda messed up, so if you already bought the game and went out on a limb for us, these civs are actually free this time*
This is how you do extra Faction content after release. This alone by principle, is enough for me to want to support them again.
The subtitles: Age vampires 4.. Hahaha
Thanks for the video !
On the note of units automatically switching between melee and ranged, in Age of Empires Online there is the Persian's Immortal unit, which is both an archer and sword/board melee fighter. Pretty fun to mass them.
Seriously? Javelins outranged bows? Lol what is this?
it makes sense..... if you don't think about it
well its a game.
Let's goooo new content
The Ottomans seem to receive dojo style buildings as seen in AoE3.
The discount in particular makes me want to finally take the game
The Mehter is like those drum trolls in Battle for Middle Earth. What a great game that was.
Really glad to see its doing well, hopefully this will get us aom de. Aoe2 was my favorite and aom is a close 2nd.
Aom de has to be next right? Or aom 2
Really had hoped they had stuck with more of an overarching civilizations and not done something as specific as the Ottoman Empire.
I think the Turks would have been more interesting with age 4 turning them to the Ottoman Turks but earlier in Age 1 being more nomadic like Mongols.
their cav is still there tho
@@oom-3262 true, but it does feel more like 17th century ottomans than 13th century turks
I agree, and maybe Seljuks would have been better. But ottomans are still cool and I love it. Except like you said, maybe start as a Nomadic tribe or start as Ottoman Beylik then turning into a empire
AOEIV has a rought launch but from the start the game showed and incredible potential, Season 1 and specially Season 2 updates did an amazing job at polishing the game, and right now is really good to play, the gameplay is fun, the balance is incredible and i can't stop playing rankeds. season 3 is looking like is going to push the game quality from very good to amazing
i will try aoe4 again when these come out i played tiny bit when the game came out and during one big tournament
Maybe the stealth feature of the Musofadi gunners is that they're not marked on the minimap rather than beeing invisible
I was a little disappointed at launch, but I picked the game back up on a whim a month ago, and it is GENUINLY AMAZING NOW! All the tiny improvements since launch have really paid off!
Good to hear! I played the game a bunch on launch, when Turin's YT channel was heavily featuring it, but then unsubbed from game pass. Just got it today because of the steam sale, can't wait to play!
@@EmperorJarin Excellent! My recommendation is to explore the "mods" tab in the menu. There's a lot of good stuff there, like custom modes, advanced skirmish settings, community maps, and population cap adjustments. Have fun!
THE TIME HAS COME! thanks for the heads up Spirit
Me and my friends will probably play the free version again.
None of us have bought it yet.
We're all AoE2 players, played AoE4 on release and didn't love it. But it was a refreshing change.
We're interested to see it again after a year.
game did change and meta still changing to this day, many many bugs ironed out and most importantly (at least for me) siege got a rework and now you can charge cavalry to easily one shot it with their melee weapons not torches
The cherry on top of the cake. We get all this AoE IV content, and SoTL makes a video about it. Love your content :)
Glad to see Age IV is doing well! I haven't been able to play it because my computer is a potato (I can't even run AOE2 Definitive, just the original). But I think I might finally buy it for the steam sale.
No one:
The subtitles: "Agent Vampires 4"
My biggest issue was always the price tag. Maybe since it’s on sale it’s finally time for a pickup…
Shouldn't be an issue since it's a new game and AoE 1-3 + AoM were sold at a similar price.
@@FloosWorld_AoE Not back in the day, I picked up my copy of AOE2 in 2002 for only 20 dollars. That’s a 40 jump difference.
@@edelweissaven3780 But AoE 2 was already out for 3 years at this point + AoM came out that year. AoE 2 launched with the standard AAA price in 1999. That's something you can quickly find out if you read contemporary reviews from gaming magazines.
I was hoping the Ottomans would be introduced with a mechanic that changes the civ gameplay, turks being able to switch from steppe raiders into the Ottoman Empire. Glad to see AOE4 get some work. I kind of left it behind early on.
In my imagination i designed Turks to start as nomadic civilization which at the end of feudal age you get to chose between 2 buildings Khan's Hall and Sultan's Mosque. The first lets you remain as mobile cavalry civ with religion Tengrisim and the other converts you to economy and gunpowder civ with religion Islam.
Overall chosing your civ's future is a unique mechanic which can be really powerful depending your matchup but it captures the essence of the civilization. Turks had various Khanates and settled Sultanates existed at the same point of the history.
@@uvuvwevwevweosas4459 Yes, exactly! The wonder mechanic is perfect for that. Several civs could do this really well, and Turks are perhaps the best.
Having civs change dynamics could create an interesting interplay, where you can give enticing bonuses to how you play and choose. Encourage people to move during a nomadic phase.
It's such an interesting mechanic in general. I hope they do something with Viking civilizations, as they changed the course of the history of many Kingdoms. A conversion choice could exist, boosting trade, cavalry, and tech, but removing raiding and bonuses from settling close to other civs. They became the Normans and ruled Eastern European empires not to mention Scandinavia of course.
AoE3 musketeers changed to melee automatically, id say this new unit is pretty same.
Yeah, just gonna be a spear equivalent of the Tomahawk units
2 new free civs is definitely a enough to try aoe 4 again. One thing i liked about aoe 4 over aoe2 is that the civs actually feel unique to play from each other. Hope aoe gets a big boost from the discount.
It seems that the direction they want to take with this game is the correct one, and I’m excited for all the dlc coming! One thing that I didn’t hear you mention is that the civs are gonna be able to be played in the next PUP (public update preview) which is taking place next month according to their blogpost in the Age of Empires website. This is a great idea because it both creates more hype for the update and it also gives them a chance to try them out before they are broken on release and tune whatever is needed.
Cool! I doubt that we can get used to free DLC, but getting Malians and Turks for free is gonna be cool! I'm sure they're saving Vikings and Japanese for paid DLC.
This has me interested as a AoE3 player. Not sure how you want to interpret that. It being on sale has almost already confirmed my transition though.
4:45 You're reading the text differently than I am. I read you pick which type of unit (from either barracks, archery range, or stable) and it will be produced. I'm fairly certain this is to suggest that you may pick any unit that would be produced from those buildings (ie not siege), not that you pick a building.
So it's basically the free settlers bonus the turks get in aoe3 but with military units instead?
@@ArthurDraco sounds like it to me.
1. Pick a military unit.
2. Wait.
3. ???
4. Profit!
sounds historically correct
Janissaries: "We are finally free of hoop throwers!"
Homer: "Free of Hoop Throwers SO FAR."
I will consider buying AOE4 when either they add or mods add (1) blood/decaying corpses, (2) projectiles that can miss, and (3) realistic unit scaling (I think this is already a mod)
2) is also a mod.
@@FloosWorld_AoE oh great to hear that! Now I just need blood and I'm set!
Yeah, Microsoft is ran outta Beijing now so no blood /:
@@squaeman_2644 That's why AoE 1 and 2 have blood? Shouldn't the blood effects then be removed from these games?
@@FloosWorld_AoE well they already had blood
Wouldn't it get boring if they started adding familiar civilizations from 2? It would be the same game in a different font. I've seen the Byzantines in so many games, what new angle could they do to make it unique.
They are both games based on Medieval history. There is always going to be massive overlap even with many aspects of AoE2 on release focussing on the early middle ages and AoE4 focussing later.
As it is, although many of the names are different, the HRE is the only civ arguably not covered in AoE2. English/Britons, French/Frank's, Chinese/Chinese, Delhi/Indians (Hindustanis), Mongols/Mongols, Rus/Slavs, Abbasid/Saracens, Malians/Malians, Ottomans/Turks. The HRE could be tied somewhat to the Frank's (but they are really Easy Francia, not West Francia) or Tuetons (as a German civ) and Bohemia was part of the HRE as was Burgundy for quite some time, but I would say that the big gap in Europe in AoE2 is the Kingdom of Germany (such as the Bavarians or Saxons).
The Eastern Roman Empire was a major player throughout Europe and the Middle East during that period. There is no way it isn't on the shortlist to be added to AoE4.
@@88porpoise Persians??
Norse?
@@growtocycle6992 I am sure a Norway or Denmark civ is also on the short-!ist. Because, if nothing else, people love Vikings (just please don't call them that).
I am curious what they would would go with for a Iranian Civ. It seems they want civs to use the names of governing entities (as opposed to AoE2 which generally uses the peoples, see Ottomans vs Turks), but Iran was ruled by others from the Islamic conquest until the 16th century (Arabs, Turks, Mongols) and I suspect that the Sassanids are a bit to early and Safavids a touch too late to really fit in with AoE4. The two options that come to mind are the Saffarids or the Seljuks, both led by Turkic rulers but much more focussed on Iran than most others for the period.
As a casual Aoe2 player i want Aoe4 to be successful. I couldn't stick to it because of bugs, unbalanced civs and water being broken. But still following Aoe4 community and waiting...
I am a big AoE 2 player and never played AoE 4 before but i'll give it a try now that it is free for 5 days
Archers being out-ranged by javelins.... cool..
tried aoe4 today for the first time an being a aoe2 fan..... this game brings a fresh feeling.... bringing aoe3 and aoe2 together. i liked it a lot!!!!!
4:02 villagers do attack wolfs, boars and deers with a range attack when they are in range and melee attack (with a spear) when on melee. depending on where the unit are.
My guess is :
It will be as wacky and they wont switch to melee unless you micro them =x
ottomans were definitely the most important civ to bring into the game, as there is a very large AoE community in turkey. Apart from them, I'd say japanese are the most wanted civilization. Byzantines, while a popular civ, wouldn't be attracting people from any specific country. I also don't think aoe4 is played a lot in Mali, but at least the civ diversifies the roster more than byz
Byzantines is more popular then the japanese. Just check the game forums.
Spoken by someone who's favorite faction is Japan...
@@paulodelima5705 there is a poll in the forums asking what civ people want and Japan won
I think the Malians look great but timing wise a thematic combo of Ott v Byz would have had broader appeal. Hope a paid dlc will shortly show up
I've been playing aoe4 in a few months now and my god the game is absolutely phenomenal. And if you look at the stats the game is incredibly well balanced. Units and counter system is intuitive.
Pathing and hotkey also feel so much better than aoe 2. Sound and music design is awesome.
Graphic and UI seems a bit dull but I think it's intentional. You look at the icon and know exactly what it is.
The only downside is probably the lack of casual singleplayer content.
I still love aoe 2 but I'm really tired of 6 on sheep 4 on wood all the time, trying something new is exactly what I need.
Decided to give this a go since free week and honestly I'm pleasantly surprised with it. It feels really familiar but there's enough new stuff going on that it feels fresh. I don't think it would entirely pull me away from AoE II but it's been enjoyable thus far.
The game balance is objectively better in aoe4, especially that infantry can now actually compete with archers and cavalry at every stage of the game. The big, big problem is that it is so easy to get a lead that snowballing out of control is a massive issue.
@@satyakisil9711 Happy to hear that infantry is viable. It was always stupid to me that IRL infantry was probably the most numerous battlefield unit, but in AoE2 they just kind of sucked. Alright, you and sniperjelly have convinced me to give this a shot.
What makes snowballing in AoE4 worse than in AoE2?
I don't even have a proper system to run this masterpiece 😅😫
@@lightworker2956 In AoE2 you can dodge arrows and stuff, that lets you beat huge armies with small armies if the other player doesn't micro, and since microing gets harder the more units you have it becomes a comeback mechanic of sorts. Most people probably prefers not having to micro so much though.
Other part is that you get rams in age 2, so you can quickly batter down defenses if the enemy isn't ready even in the early game.
I'm not a huge aoe fan, im super casual with them but for me aoe4 was dull as there was nothing to do but pvp. Campaigns were okay and fairly simple and short, and that's, really all there was to do in it. For me, without a lot of custom game support and more things to do, aoe4 isn't going to be a hook, no matter how many civs they add.
to be honest, its the 2nd most popular aoe game after aoe2 de. average aoe2 de may have 20k players over weekends, while aoe4 has around 15k. Still not bad, think defo as time goes on and more popular civs are added, we'll defo see these numbers evening out.
I wish this game would have more actions for military units, such as patrol, protect and, especially, that stance where units don't attack even when enemies are within range.
4:08 Well many people forget that Aoe Online existed or that AoE III is a thing
In AoE Online there was the Inmortal, from the Persian Civilization, that had the ability to switch from Ranged to Melee depending in how close the enemy was to them. Unfortunaly this was only automatic.
In AoE III ALMOST all the Ranged units can switch from Ranged to Melee by the same condition, but if you enable the advance formations in the options menu, you can change the stance of your troops. In that game the units gain different stats and advantages depending on the stance chosed by the player. (Like Muskeeter was able to inflict more damage to Cav with the Melee stance)
Finally i don't remember well but also in Mythology some ranged units also changed from ranged to melee when a melee unit was on them,