The Condottiero! (AoE2)

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  • Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
  • Breakdown and discussion of the Italian's team unit - the Condottiero! More specifically, we'll see how it compares to the champion in a few different situations, as well as discuss which civilizations benefit the most from an Italian ally.
    0:55 Condottiero stats vs Champion
    2:05 Hidden attack bonuses
    2:38 Gunpowder resistance
    3:22 Upgrades
    4:40 vs Champion
    5:20 vs Trash units
    6:03 vs Eagles
    6:40 vs Hand Cannons
    7:25 vs Janissaries
    8:02 vs Arbalesters
    8:30 The best condottieros
    9:35 Civs with bad champions
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    Game: Age of Empires II Definitive Edition
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  • @boarfaceswinejaw4516
    @boarfaceswinejaw4516 Рік тому +634

    huskarl: "who are you"
    condottiero: "im you from the future, where guns exist".

    • @9051team
      @9051team Рік тому +37

      And weaker but faster.

    • @Wabaanimkii
      @Wabaanimkii Рік тому +61

      Having an italian ally as goths, but spamming Condottiero just because you can. they really fly otta those barracks!

    • @f4k3gamer
      @f4k3gamer Рік тому +15

      @@Wabaanimkii i think that's the quickest unit(post imp) you can make(pls feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

    • @SM853
      @SM853 Рік тому +25

      "The Goths had a fundamental role in the destiny of Europe in the first centuries of the Middle Ages. However, they had a discreet presence in the following centuries, keeping the Gothic culture alive until the 16th century in some parts of Mediterranean Europe, as is the case of the Crimean Goths, who lost their independence in 1475 to the Turks. That would explain the reason why the Gothic civilization has access to technologies such as gunpowder."

    • @JiKaLeRusse
      @JiKaLeRusse Рік тому +10

      ​@@f4k3gamer I'm sorry to inform you that you are in fact wrong. The quickest is shotel warrior with unique tech I think.

  • @lolaldanee2743
    @lolaldanee2743 Рік тому +645

    Resists lead bullets from a gun
    Does not resist a stone fired with a sling
    Seems legit, AoE logic at its finest

    • @SIGNOR-G
      @SIGNOR-G Рік тому +48

      Thanks God someone noticed this.
      I think they should deny slingers bonus.

    • @dojelnotmyrealname4018
      @dojelnotmyrealname4018 Рік тому +63

      Worse, slingers would probably fire lead bullets too. Roman slingers did at the very least. Molded ammo is much easier to use because of how consistent it is.

    • @lolaldanee2743
      @lolaldanee2743 Рік тому +31

      @@dojelnotmyrealname4018 true, but Inca slingers would probably use stones, not much metalwork in the americas (besides gold of course) after all

    • @Quinti22
      @Quinti22 Рік тому +17

      @@lolaldanee2743 i mean, incas are one of the american civs that used metal weapons (maces, axes and halberds), you can even see their bronce helments in the kamayuq

    • @XTheLolX301
      @XTheLolX301 Рік тому +23

      @@lolaldanee2743 there are histories from spanish conquistadors about inca's slingers destroying both legs with a single stone throw, they were really good and with extreme accuracy, have to remember that bullets at that time only hit 1/5 unless it was really close

  • @Jovian999
    @Jovian999 Рік тому +652

    Along with the amazing learnings, editing and production value we associate with SotL, we need to pay particular tribute for "Penthousettiero".

  • @airbornefilip9139
    @airbornefilip9139 Рік тому +285

    They have coolness factor on their side as well.

    • @ducktape-3470
      @ducktape-3470 Рік тому +3

      Always has been

    • @Yamaazaka
      @Yamaazaka Рік тому +22

      They do seem like chads for some reason

    • @SIGNOR-G
      @SIGNOR-G Рік тому +3

      @@Yamaazaka they are

    • @kleinesschreckgespenst319
      @kleinesschreckgespenst319 11 місяців тому +1

      True, they just look so "tankie" and their helmets are one of the finest looking in the game.

  • @cdcdrr
    @cdcdrr Рік тому +165

    Paladin: Oh? You outrun me? Instead of standing to fight, you move away?
    Condotierro: You can't beat the shit out of me if you can't get closer.

    • @GBlockbreaker
      @GBlockbreaker Рік тому +30

      Viking Condottiero: there was only one reason you lost... you let me get chieftains

    • @AzureDragon100
      @AzureDragon100 Рік тому +7

      Paladin: Oho! Then run as far as you like!

    • @crazychaze9910
      @crazychaze9910 Рік тому +3

      Chael sonnentierro : I can't let you get close

  • @roddiaz9801
    @roddiaz9801 Рік тому +232

    Imagine a condottiero running faster then paladin with celtic boots in real life

    • @denblue2552
      @denblue2552 Рік тому +37

      Or a condottiero with 96 HP because of the infantry HP bonus from Viking.

    • @roddiaz9801
      @roddiaz9801 Рік тому +25

      @@denblue2552 and smacking +5 against your cavalry

    • @emerylafleur
      @emerylafleur Рік тому +2

      look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of our speed

    • @Mattroid99
      @Mattroid99 5 місяців тому

      And now a 110 HP Armenian Condottiero

  • @the_snobot
    @the_snobot Рік тому +81

    I honestly hadn't realized the Photon Man was a gunpowder unit. But I guess that makes sense.

  • @arnavnandan
    @arnavnandan Рік тому +286

    "Anti-Anti-Infantry-Infantry"
    Cataphract: *You dare oppose my strength?*

    • @puki860
      @puki860 Рік тому +25

      A fellow cataphract enjoyer, nice

    • @xXTheKingEmothXx
      @xXTheKingEmothXx Рік тому +4

      But... the Cataphract is just an anti-infantry cavalry... what's the connection?

    • @arnavnandan
      @arnavnandan Рік тому +20

      @@xXTheKingEmothXx spirit said anti anti infantry infantry forgetting about things like cataphract and leopard soldiers who shred condotierro

    • @jidlan1884
      @jidlan1884 Рік тому +28

      I think he said "Anti anti-infantry infantry" just as a joke and a reference to the Chu-Ko-Nu video and its "anti anti-archer archer" role.

    • @arnavnandan
      @arnavnandan Рік тому +1

      I'm joking guys...

  • @nvmtt1403
    @nvmtt1403 Рік тому +32

    2:20 lol, that laser trooper in there was pure gold.

  • @Davtwan
    @Davtwan Рік тому +29

    They also have the benefit of having those cool-looking round shields.

  • @mannypardo1080
    @mannypardo1080 Рік тому +136

    I feel like this unit is underappreciated.

    • @ggmr399
      @ggmr399 Рік тому +1

      No way

    • @Mikrowelliger
      @Mikrowelliger Рік тому +1

      No

    • @arcan762
      @arcan762 Рік тому +34

      Italians in general imo. I have surprised a lot of people in games where I pull out the Genoese crossbowman and they dunno why their knights die instantly. Italians very good at having awkward or hard to remember counters.

    • @noodleknight7924
      @noodleknight7924 Рік тому +11

      No, it's just straight up badly designed.
      Being the counter unit of a rare counter unit of a rare counter unit makes this unit so extremely rarely viable that it might as well not be viable at all.
      Also, the enemy will pretty much only make handcannoniers if you are already heavily invested in swordsman, in which case the whole benefit of the condottiero not requiring upgrades is wasted, since you would only use them when you already spent a lot on swordsman anyway.

    • @arcan762
      @arcan762 Рік тому +10

      @@noodleknight7924 I agree with the assessment, but it misses the point. It is basically an extra unique unit (Italians already have one) for everyone on your team, that is still effective in many of the same situations as champions and can be pulled out in a pinch. They are a trump card you can surprise opponents with, not the backbone of your unit comp.

  • @GarkKahn
    @GarkKahn Рік тому +46

    The condotiero being avalaible for every allied civ was quite the change for the game
    I remember when the italians were added my friends asked me to play as them in team fights

    • @bunga6475
      @bunga6475 Рік тому +1

      me clavé varios de tus videos, Arthas es de Racing papáaa

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 Рік тому +1

      That addition in The Forgotten set the stage for Berber Genitours in African Kingdoms

  • @leonardorivelorivelo9253
    @leonardorivelorivelo9253 Рік тому +18

    Ah yes the " *Cooler Champion™* " when you need a anti trash but you didnt research anything above man at arms

  • @TheIanOakley
    @TheIanOakley Рік тому +55

    I see them most in team games on water maps, where they're a very fast-producing unit with great stats that needs no upgrades - play water all game, then land on hitting imp, dump barracks on the enemy islands, flood condos into their base. The fact they don't need any techs to be good is the most important thing about them frankly.

    • @niksutliff
      @niksutliff Рік тому +5

      Fun strat is to play Italians goths on a map like arena. Sling the goth up to imp then he spams condott which are obscenely cheap and you can run over players

    • @joshuaspencer1346
      @joshuaspencer1346 Рік тому +14

      I think you meant "the most important thing about them italianly"

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 Рік тому +4

      @@joshuaspencer1346 You, sir, deserve a cookie.

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 Рік тому +2

      They do need blacksmith upgrades and squires and arson to be effective. At least armor and arson

  • @austinpugmire2843
    @austinpugmire2843 Рік тому +55

    I think an extra emphasis can be placed on how good they are with Goths. Gunpowder is commonly used as a counter to Goths, but apart from a strong champion line, who can stop a goth player with both huskarl and condos?

    • @niksutliff
      @niksutliff Рік тому +10

      Byzantine post imp. Maybe a Khmer full 60 heavy scorpions blob. Pretty much it

    • @vunguyenxuanhoang7422
      @vunguyenxuanhoang7422 Рік тому +9

      Cataphract and Slav Infantry with Druzhina still wreck both of them

    • @Tocaraca
      @Tocaraca Рік тому +3

      Paladin would do fine. The paladin player's teammates would be making ranged units to kill the Goth halbs as well.

    • @davidpereira5969
      @davidpereira5969 Рік тому +1

      I think it whould go to to either infantry counters ( jaguars, cataphracts, maybe teutonic chads?) or a micro battle of huskarl counters and condo counters

    • @georgeprchal3924
      @georgeprchal3924 Рік тому +1

      Teutonic Knights.

  • @JJBeauregard1
    @JJBeauregard1 Рік тому +34

    I just don't understand why fast moving infantry units like the Condottiero or the Woad Raider don't have a running animation when there's a bunch of running units on foot in the game already.
    Edit for reference after a quick glance at the wiki: Plumed Archers are running and have a speed of 1.2, the same as Condotteri. Even worse, Woad Raiders actually outpace Elite Eagle Warriors with 1.38 speed after the Celts' civ bonus vs 1.3...

    • @hansoskar1911
      @hansoskar1911 Рік тому +3

      Eagles can get Squires so they end on 1,43 speed.

    • @JJBeauregard1
      @JJBeauregard1 Рік тому +4

      @@hansoskar1911 True but my point still stands though. If a unit like the Plumed Archer can run at 1.2 speed surely just as fast or even faster units should be able to run, too. Also, it's not like the Eagle Warrior's running animation only starts after researching squires.

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 Рік тому +2

      It's perfect AoE2 logic!
      I actually do like the fact that there are just some units that power walk ridiculously fast. It's so menacing and intimidating.
      The best idea is to actually give Teutonic Knights a running animation but keep their speed the same :D

  • @shogun2215
    @shogun2215 Рік тому +13

    I love the Italians, and the Condottieri have been one of my secret weapons for the longest time, people always underestimate them on the surface

  • @HappyCupsInc
    @HappyCupsInc Рік тому +15

    Tatoh wrecked an opponent with them in a recent tournament semifinal, if I remember correctly. People were thinking the opponent had a civ win, but everyone forgot about this unit!

    • @Tocaraca
      @Tocaraca Рік тому

      Was the opposing civ Hindustanis?

    • @HappyCupsInc
      @HappyCupsInc Рік тому +2

      @@Tocaraca Tatoh vs Running Wallhalla, Italians vs Bohemians

  • @claudiofabian1054
    @claudiofabian1054 Рік тому +43

    7:20 The only problem I see with this is that, as italians, you are not likely to be using Pikemen against cavalry, but Genoese Crossbowmen, which not only you can get fully upgraded, they also work well for other archer roles, and you can start massing them up from Castle Age.
    Of course, they cost gold, so if you are short on that, you could make pikemen, but if you are short on gold, you can't make Condottieros to counter the enemy hand cannons xD.

    • @codycasey4906
      @codycasey4906 Рік тому +10

      While that's true in the booming maps like Black Forest and Arena, there can easily be cases where you're just under too much pressure to transition into collecting stone for the castle(s) needed. Couple that with the fact that if you drop an additional barracks or two you could easily push a greater mass sooner and it makes sense why sometimes the Genoese X-Bow might not be as viable.

    • @orirune3079
      @orirune3079 Рік тому +1

      It's useful to have both. Pikes are still a good meat shield to hold the cavalry off while you're Genoese crossbows shred them.

    • @BenjaminTiessen
      @BenjaminTiessen Рік тому +1

      Genoese crossbowman dont get a damage bonus against pikemen so they can actually be overwhelmed by pikemen fairly easily. Most people don't know that

    • @pattonramming1988
      @pattonramming1988 Рік тому

      It's a good practice to have a mix of units rather than overelying on a few unit types

    • @claudiofabian1054
      @claudiofabian1054 Рік тому +3

      @@pattonramming1988 Really? I'm not an expert, but most guides pretty much tell you to focus on one or two units with your economy as you continue to build your economy?

  • @DannieRay23
    @DannieRay23 Рік тому +86

    Surprised that you didn't mention that since Condo's are a team bonus Unit, their extra gold cost can be less relevant because trade.

    • @jamesc.7732
      @jamesc.7732 Рік тому +18

      Also pairs with the other Italian unique tech, Silk Road (trade units cost -50%).

  • @a.delafrancesca1459
    @a.delafrancesca1459 Рік тому +11

    Penthousettiero, nothing more to say (*claps at home*)

  • @micahbush5397
    @micahbush5397 Рік тому +38

    Quick, expensive, and often not the best choice long-term is pretty reflective of history when it comes to Condottieri. To be truly accurate, though, they should be particularly vulnerable to conversion, since real-life Italian mercenary companies were notorious for accepting bribes.

    • @SIGNOR-G
      @SIGNOR-G Рік тому +7

      That maybe covered by the fact that Italians dont have Heresy.

    • @Kihanacloudy
      @Kihanacloudy Рік тому +5

      I like that idea on paper, but I feel like they would need to be stronger in some way to compensate for such a crippling weakness, were it to be implemented. Particularly at top level play, it would mean you just never see the unit at all except maybe for teams with Teutons! Sometimes balance consideration is better than a bit more historical accuracy ^^

    • @micahbush5397
      @micahbush5397 Рік тому +6

      @@Kihanacloudy Now that I think about it, Italians don't get Heresy, so any converted Condottieri fight for the enemy. I guess that kind of covers the bribery parallel.

    • @krystofcisar469
      @krystofcisar469 Рік тому +6

      Cool idea. I dont think that would affect play too much, since they move rather fast and they should 2 shot monks.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons Рік тому +3

      But why they ressist bullets

  • @geoffrey1955
    @geoffrey1955 Рік тому +14

    IMO Italian ally in Arena is SOOOO good. When flank is against Turks for example who you just know are going to go fast imp, you can match and then do Condottiero + Siege Tower follow up. Slaughters every time

    • @Naxhus2
      @Naxhus2 Рік тому +2

      I wish siege towers were cheaper. They add a new dimension to a lot of closed games but the investment is prohibitive.

  • @user-uh7cb3vy4v
    @user-uh7cb3vy4v Рік тому +22

    the Aztec condottiero is the best imo, it makes pure gunpowder in late game not that strong against you if you have enough condottiero massed

    • @gilb_4
      @gilb_4 Рік тому +2

      It is like a more elite EEW, more HP, 17 attack and 33% hp, for 15 less gold

    • @leonardlevine1254
      @leonardlevine1254 Рік тому +1

      @@gilb_4 Doesnt have any attack bonus against cavalry though. Also less pierce armor. So while they are better against Champions or Gunpowder, they are worse against cavalry and archers (compared to Eagles).

  • @ComeRestusFX
    @ComeRestusFX Рік тому +4

    Great video as always!
    I have to point out though, that at 7:32 when you compared Champion vs Condos against Janis, the Jani did miss the second shot on the champion, and I believe that would've been enough for the Champion to lose that engagement. While the Condos' anti bonus damage doesn't benefit them there, the extra speed still makes them quite a bit better in that matchup.

  • @ye4thorn
    @ye4thorn Рік тому +2

    A video like this for the Teutonic Knight.

  • @parenthesist7338
    @parenthesist7338 Рік тому +2

    We need a “the best condottiero” with examples of how they handle with, for example the Slavs splash damage bonus and all other bonuses!!

  • @pAiGeDrAgOnKnIgHt
    @pAiGeDrAgOnKnIgHt Рік тому +5

    This might be counter-intuitive, but I personally have found the best use of Condottiero in my games by treating them more like a cavalry alternative than a champion alternative. Using their very high speed and durability as an excellent raiding unit

    • @jasonsmith1950
      @jasonsmith1950 Рік тому +1

      I can see that. Thing is, Italians have good cavalry, including fully upgraded hussars. And hussars tend to be better in that role than condos (especially since hussars don't cost gold).

    • @pAiGeDrAgOnKnIgHt
      @pAiGeDrAgOnKnIgHt Рік тому +2

      @@jasonsmith1950 but not all of their allies do

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 Рік тому +2

    Interestingly enough, the biggest flaw I can see for the Condotierro is that you'd have to play Italians. I hope it's a sacrifice more players make in team games thanks to your work!
    The Penthousetierros line slew me, thank you.

  • @danielmunsaka2051
    @danielmunsaka2051 Рік тому +6

    Italians as a whole generally are very underrated

  • @Tocaraca
    @Tocaraca Рік тому +3

    Their weakness to slingers is a small silver lining considering Incas' weakness to gunpowder, especially with the Italians' 20% discount 😆

  • @federicodigioia4463
    @federicodigioia4463 Рік тому +3

    I like Condottieros design, they look truly medieval :)

  • @schnitzelhd3844
    @schnitzelhd3844 Рік тому +1

    Me when I hear the outro:
    oh my, I love this music... WAIT - there wasn't an intro -> going back if I missed it -> realising there was no intro -> crying

  • @leonsennin
    @leonsennin Рік тому +3

    SOtL bruh your uploads are just wholesome and a joy to watch. Freaking making math fun..you cheeky sir.

  • @Zappygunshot
    @Zappygunshot Рік тому +2

    Their speed and bonus damage make them great at dealing with bombard cannons as well, meaning that in a team game fielding a group of condottieri makes it hard to effectively engage your allies' ranged units and/or siege.

  • @PatataMaxtex
    @PatataMaxtex Рік тому +2

    the main niche for me is the landing with barracks on islands in imp. After heavy fights on water, which italians often win, it is really deadly to have a fully upgraded imp unit rather fast, that is really good at raidin

  • @natnat8393
    @natnat8393 Рік тому

    This was very interesting! Great Job
    I absolutely love watching your videos

  • @NevelWong
    @NevelWong Рік тому +1

    "Penthouse"-tierris had me in stitches :D

  • @micayahc.wilson8061
    @micayahc.wilson8061 Рік тому +1

    Playing 2v2 (Italians and Dravidians) was amazing with these guys. I would spam condos with Wootz Steel if needed and my brother would cover them with his Genoa Crossbows. We win about 5 games in a row using that combo.

    • @pattonramming1988
      @pattonramming1988 Рік тому

      Really that sounds amazing

    • @micayahc.wilson8061
      @micayahc.wilson8061 Рік тому

      @@pattonramming1988 it’s always hilarious, especially cause nobody is thinking of a transition like that.

  • @Tomahaukka
    @Tomahaukka Рік тому +2

    Condottiero look amazing, and I think that's what matters the most.

  • @imjusthappytobedepressed1123
    @imjusthappytobedepressed1123 Рік тому +3

    I like how you call them Condottierro's and Condottierri intermittently.

    • @pattonramming1988
      @pattonramming1988 Рік тому +1

      One is the singular possessive and the other is plural

    • @imjusthappytobedepressed1123
      @imjusthappytobedepressed1123 Рік тому

      @@pattonramming1988 Idk what any of that means, english is not my first language, all I know is silly shit sounds silly.

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 Рік тому +1

      @@imjusthappytobedepressed1123 "That condottiero is all by himself."
      "Those condottieri are taking that building down very quickly!"
      "The condottiero's attack bonus vs gunpowder unit is very effective."
      See the difference?

  • @ethankoch8507
    @ethankoch8507 Рік тому

    This is exactly what I needed 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you :)

  • @Ryoushi_Akanagi
    @Ryoushi_Akanagi Рік тому +1

    Teutons with Condos feels so good to play. Friendship with the ETK has ended. Finally a fast-moving, tanky unit that also shreds gunpowder and doesn't take any lenghty upgrades. Godly infantry unit imo for Teutons.

  • @HeraAgeofEmpires2
    @HeraAgeofEmpires2 Рік тому +2

    Huskarls -> 😳
    Malian condottiero -> 😳😳😳😮😮

  • @Cytoplasm_
    @Cytoplasm_ Рік тому +2

    I had no idea the conditierri we're actually this good of a unit

  • @doomhammer5517
    @doomhammer5517 Рік тому +1

    Thx for the video, really informative. Also wanted to ask again (I asked on the last video) if you would do another video on civ bonuses carrying over/getting lost on conversion. You did one years ago, but there's a lot of new civs now. I'm particularly interested in the bonuses such as polish vills healing, or the infantry trample damage tech.

  • @cmlcml415
    @cmlcml415 Рік тому +1

    I always find it hilarious for this unit running so fast when wearing this heavy armor 🤣
    I usually like the looking of this unit though😍

  • @johanbee8757
    @johanbee8757 Рік тому +2

    Malay forced levy seems legit good combo, really gotta try it.

  • @Binarokaro
    @Binarokaro Рік тому +2

    First the Turks with the Berbers, and now Persians with the Italians, I'm really digging this trend of "match made in heaven" civ combos

  • @chriswhite702
    @chriswhite702 Рік тому +7

    I feel like the Condo should have some bonus resistance against Janis, seems to be their reason to exist no?

    • @SIGNOR-G
      @SIGNOR-G Рік тому

      Maybe a reducted version of their bonus.

    • @pattonramming1988
      @pattonramming1988 Рік тому +2

      It only makes sense given how the condotiero is described as an anti gunpowder unit

  • @SuperDomochan
    @SuperDomochan 9 місяців тому

    very insightful

  • @robincray116
    @robincray116 Рік тому +2

    Wootz steel condottieri...
    I need to try this.

  • @m136dalie
    @m136dalie Рік тому

    Love the classic style video

  • @St3v3NWL
    @St3v3NWL Рік тому +3

    Because Condoterrieo were meceneraries it makes sense that their gold cost is higher than champions. However, their food cost and their creation time don't make sense. Mercenaries should be able to create almost instantly.

  • @21solomonspace
    @21solomonspace Рік тому +1

    Honestly, i love them because they are the coolest looking unit in the game IMO. I love their attack animation!

  • @HistoricalWeapons
    @HistoricalWeapons Рік тому +3

    Historically makes no sense why they counter gunpowder, to be honest I’d rather have unarmored fast moving infantry counter gunpowder for historical accuracy

  • @Kubinda12345
    @Kubinda12345 Рік тому +2

    What about Aztecs. Doesn't their unique tech Garland Wars give +4 attack to infantry including the Condorttiero?

  • @pspboy7
    @pspboy7 Рік тому

    Really really interesting.

  • @SleepyFen
    @SleepyFen 9 місяців тому

    6:57 - It's rare that I feel like the AoE 2 attack animations have any weight behind them, but that hand cannoneer got taken to the chopping block, sheesh!

  • @ezequielalbaposse8176
    @ezequielalbaposse8176 Рік тому +2

    Great video SOTL! What about Huskarles and Jennisaires/Hand Cannoneers?

  • @kartiksaraf4676
    @kartiksaraf4676 Рік тому +3

    At 7:36 did the Janisarry miss the 2nd shot on the champ? Looked like that

  • @ingoseiler
    @ingoseiler Рік тому

    Goth Flank with Italian Pocket on Arena can be a real killer. Your allies sling the Goth player to imp at around min 16, the Italian fast castle castle drops with petards, and then 3 barracks condos just kills everything.
    It felt super dirty to play, but man is it fun

  • @volgogrado99
    @volgogrado99 Рік тому

    That condo/penthouse ttiero joke was surreal man 😂

  • @antoniocdiez147
    @antoniocdiez147 Рік тому

    Love you´ve used the plural form in italian propperly

  • @brokendoll3368
    @brokendoll3368 Рік тому +1

    "If you have the gold..." Well, in team games, you can trade for it.
    Wanna mention that among the Infantry-civs, Goths actually don't have Supplies, meaning their Champions aren't that much cheaper compared to Condos. Also, they have the hidden bonus of your opponents maybe mistaking them for Huskarls, especially since they are more likely to make HC when up against Goths.

  • @Labyrinth6000
    @Labyrinth6000 Рік тому +1

    I’d be up for some more mercenary type units in the future that enable other civs to make them.

  • @hypehypehouraay9311
    @hypehypehouraay9311 Рік тому

    I’m just here for the penthouse joke, nice one spirit

  • @r1pp3rr0
    @r1pp3rr0 Рік тому +1

    Shout out to sotl for pronouncing correctly the plural of condottiero: "condottieri" and not "condottieros" like all the other English speaking UA-camr say.

  • @kylepratt425
    @kylepratt425 Рік тому

    I think the clearest use case is for a civ that has great champions/similar unique units against civs that want to counter with gunpowder. Being able to swap back & fourth to a faster anti-hand cannon version of the same unit as needed with no transition cost really takes that solution away from the enemy and the speed is huge against a gunpowder heavy civ beyond hand cannons. You can force a different counter to the main unit or anticipate their counter and prempt the hand cannon switch and catch em with their pants down if you time it right.

  • @elkin1888
    @elkin1888 Рік тому +2

    hi! SFTL! please make a video with the best trebuchets: Huns (+30%acurracy) Britons (warwolf) tartars (+2 distance atack) Saracens ( +damage) Teutons (+meler armour) Japanese (kataparuto) Mongols (moves faster) Celts (+ hp) and may another ones!!!

    • @SIGNOR-G
      @SIGNOR-G Рік тому +2

      Im a big fan of the Tatars "termobaric trabouchet" but i suspect that in genersl the Japanese one is better cause it fires faster.

  • @omegaj8431
    @omegaj8431 Рік тому +4

    I think Burmese is a very good civ to use condottiero after pure booming to imperial age to have fast like-champion rush
    But could condottiero get a buff to gain 1 attack more please?

  • @temporaryname8905
    @temporaryname8905 Рік тому

    Condotiero is the funnest imo I love playing teams where everybody can make each other's units

  • @wavenp
    @wavenp Рік тому

    "Instead of getting Condottiero you're getting Penthousettiero" what an amazing pun!

  • @MrARock001
    @MrARock001 Рік тому

    Viking Penthousetierri needs to become canon.

  • @dembro27
    @dembro27 Рік тому +4

    I can only afford an Apartmenttiero.

  • @hyperN1337
    @hyperN1337 Рік тому

    Honestly I think their biggest boon is their speed. Given how micro and fights can come down to second decisions, having a cheap stat stick to be able to pressure or micro more effectively is pretty good.

  • @Duchess_Van_Hoof
    @Duchess_Van_Hoof 10 місяців тому

    This beauty quickly became a favourite unique unit of mine. Not only is it a revolutionary form of team bonus, and an anti-gunpowder unit.
    It is also a faster swordsman you can quickly tech into. My one complaint of it being worse for Italians than their allies have been solved now.
    Besides, always loved sword and shield infantry. Who doesn't want to build their own legion?

  • @spyrofrost9158
    @spyrofrost9158 Рік тому +1

    I still miss stingers original extra attack. I think they should get an elite slinger to get that attack back

  • @talmagejones
    @talmagejones Рік тому

    So cool

  • @Kuzmorgo
    @Kuzmorgo Рік тому +1

    I died at "Penthousettiero"...

  • @jasonsmith1950
    @jasonsmith1950 Рік тому

    I've played Italians a fair bit, but I rarely use condos. They tend to be more of a niche unit (one that usually comes with missing upgrades). Also, when I do use them, I often don't have a lot of infantry upgrades (as in, I typically spend 100 food to get the first infantry armor upgrade). One time I used condos that stands out in my memory is against a Bohemian AI that had lots of Hussite wagons. Condos get bonus damage against the wagons, deal well with hand cannons and monks (speed and good attack), and don't take bonus damage from halbs. So Condotieros are a strong unit against the Bohemians. That said, there are a few gunpowder units they don't do well against (Conquistadors kite them and janissaries as mentioned in video)
    I do agree that the Condos tend to be more helpful to the non-infantry civs (with full blacksmith for their infantry) than the infantry civs. My one notable exception is the Goths who have a potent fast-imp into Condos and who technically are missing supplies and practically get arson for free. I consider the Goths to be the civ that can make the best use of the Condos.

  • @ursleiter5611
    @ursleiter5611 Рік тому

    That was an unexpected pun. I approve.

  • @user-ig9dr8bm1l
    @user-ig9dr8bm1l Рік тому +3

    Tatar condos will miss two armor upgrades. I don`t think they will consider making any infantry besides halbs

  • @supliiiiiieeeeees
    @supliiiiiieeeeees Рік тому

    Yes! My favorite gifted unit as a goth player!!

  • @Badzarely
    @Badzarely Рік тому

    And importantly they look dope

  • @Afgncaatp
    @Afgncaatp Рік тому +1

    well I don't think I'll ever use the condottiero.. mainly because I don't actually play this game, but still love the vids.. Its like recreating the feeling of reading an old school game manual

  • @sephyrias883
    @sephyrias883 Рік тому

    It might also worth comparing a fully upgraded Condottiero (with Pavise) to an Italian Hussar.
    The Hussar costs 80 food and has
    - 95 HP
    - 1.5 tiles per second movement (+10% with husbandry)
    - 11 attack
    - 4 melee armor
    - 6 pierce armor
    - 1.9s attack speed
    - 30s creation speed
    - bonuses against monks
    The Condottiero costs 50 food and 35 gold and has
    - 80 HP
    - 1.2 tiles p.s. movement (+10% with squires)
    - 14 attack
    - 5 melee armor
    - 5 pierce armor
    - 1.9s attack speed
    - 18s creation speed
    - bonuses against gunpowder
    - benefits from Arson
    So the Condottiero is a bit squishier and still slower than a Hussar, but deals more damage. Costs a lot of gold though, so I think you rather want to get the Hussar upgrade and make that instead unless the opponent has pikes/halberdiers everywhere.

  • @timeslider-0135
    @timeslider-0135 Рік тому +1

    Honestly I’m just imagining the Japanese version.
    The Japanese are now attacking in Italian…
    Also probably also railing a line before battle because sweet lord that attack speed. Faster than any other melee in the game at that point.

  • @scavenger6268
    @scavenger6268 Рік тому

    The Italian-Slavic Mafia scares the crap out of me, but the Lithuanian Condottiero scares me more since you can focus on cav upgrades and just use a good inf replacement.
    Not to mention the free gold from relics.

  • @chingamfong
    @chingamfong Рік тому +4

    2:10 how is Photon man a gunpowder unit? He uses an energy weapon not gunpowder weapon. Fix it DE! Literally unplayable.

  • @victorrenevaldiviasoto9728
    @victorrenevaldiviasoto9728 Рік тому

    Condottiero: has a gigantic huskarl shield. 0 Ranged armor.

  • @cristianrobles4493
    @cristianrobles4493 Рік тому

    yo i dont rlly play aoe that much, but ur videos are always interesting, I think you should try the why no one plays or why ppl play x civ and go in depth for the reasons, it might be already there, but I am sure you can add your own touch

  • @letterofthelaw2567
    @letterofthelaw2567 Рік тому

    8:36 Penthouse-ttieros - outstanding XD

  • @TheBronf
    @TheBronf Рік тому

    so what would be the most useful civ to use them with? im thinking either the vikings and the slavs. anti cav anti gunpowder troops sound really good and trample with this fast infantry also sound really nice.

  • @TheKobasen
    @TheKobasen Рік тому +2

    Does that means Italian civ overview next?

  • @jackwaite4035
    @jackwaite4035 Рік тому

    Sweet I main persians in team games, helpful to know this! after i've douched, been a nuisance for 30 minutes, then reboomed (maybe twice) and we are two hours into team games, i'll have a late game infantry option!

  • @jensjenson1505
    @jensjenson1505 7 місяців тому

    I really wish you would have mentioned or showed how they do against conquistadors or things like hussite wagons. I know you mentioned the armor only is effective against hand cannoneers, but considering their bonus damage against gunpowder units that could have been interesting.

  • @obesechicken13
    @obesechicken13 Рік тому +1

    They were nerfed a bit too much when they got their nerf close to release. I used to think they were a castle age unit and there wasn an elite condotierro.
    On BF I used to go fast imp to mass condos. Was fun.

  • @ivanstrydom8417
    @ivanstrydom8417 Рік тому

    Suzerainty of the City States DLC.
    Possible Italian split. (Low Priority)
    A very short Video on one of the reasons why I’d like this split.
    Venetian-Genoese Wars | 3 Minute History
    ua-cam.com/video/27gJh1oNewM/v-deo.html
    Italian Wars | 3 Minute History
    ua-cam.com/video/Pi-xKY8_66g/v-deo.html
    Genoa/Milan/ Pisa.
    Early to High Medieval Crusader/naval civ
    UU: Genoese Crossbowman.
    UU Dock: Trebuchet Galleon
    UT Castle:• Pavise (foot archers and infantry +1 armor/+1 pierce armor)
    UT Imp:• People's Crusade - Levy troops become Pikemen, +1 Attack to infantry and knights.
    Civ Bonus1: Knight line does bonus damage against cavalry archers.
    Civ bonus 2:Gallions do more damage to land units + buildings
    Civ bonus 3:University+Monastery technologies cost -33%
    Civ bonus 4:Billhook levies have increased farming rate.
    Team bonus - Monasteries are cheaper 50% less wood.
    Barracks
    Champion - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + sword
    Pikemen - Crusader skin : Nasal helm, Kite shield + Spear
    Dark age Peasant levy - available in dark age , cheap, cost 20 food and 20 wood, trains extremely fast. Very low hp.
    Spam these to defend against early rushes, overwhelm militia + man at arms with numbers.
    Does 1 more attack than a villager but is weaker to arrow fire than a villager.
    Feudal age Upgrades to BIll hook levy - More HP, benefits from scale mail armour , cost 30 food 30wood
    Strong vs scout cav, same stats as Man at arms but still very weak to ranged attack. Does not benefit from forging nor Pavise. Can work on farms to gather food. (Regional unit)
    Stable
    Paladin (norman crusader skin same goes for Sicily)
    Hussar
    AR
    Arb (Nasal helm Crusader crossbow skin kite shield on back)
    ESkirm (Berber skin)
    CA (Saracen skin)
    Skirm
    SW
    Siege ram
    Siege Tower
    Mangonel
    Scorpion (close relation to the Byzantines,)
    Dock:
    UU Dock imp: Trebuchet Galleon - same range and rate of fire as a trebuchet.
    Thus almost similar to a cannon galleon but does not require chemistry nor any elite upgrade.
    Galeon
    FF
    Heavy demo
    University
    No BBT
    Monastery:
    Regional unit: Hospitaller knights - Hospitaller knights do extremely little damage to enemy villagers (Right clicking on an enemy villager will either convert the villager (Templar) or heal the villager (Hospitalar) but they gain a +2 attack boost + 25% HP(Or conversion resistance) when within LOS of a Relic or friendly church containing one or more relics..Gains attributes from all monastery techs except Redemption:
    Templar + Hospitallers are very weak to siege damage.
    Genoa - Only Hospitalars
    Franks/Britons/Sicilians - Both Hospitalars & Templars
    Portuguese - Only Templars
    Full farming tech tree
    Wonder: Cathedral of Genoa, (Currently in game)
    Holy see/Papal States/Florence 700s AD.
    Middle to late Monk/Diplomacy civ
    Castel st Angelo
    UU: can use the UU of their ally or if no ally is in play they can choose which natural allies UU to use.
    Swiss - Swiss Pikemen + Papal guards
    Aragone - Unctioned Knight
    Castile - Conquistador + Garrochistas Spanish lancer (Papal bull)
    Habsburgs - Dopplesalder
    Franks - Templars + Hospitilars
    Venice - Venetian Arquebusiers
    Genoa - Genoese Crossbowmen
    UT Castle:Papal bull - can train knights (Crusader skin), your knights adopt the bonuses and skins of those attributed to the knights of your allies
    UT Imp:Exiled nobles/Excommunication - Exiling nobles to the courts of your enemies causes inner turmoil with their leadership - All enemy military units -1 attack. (Expensive)
    (Excommunication by the Pope (Papal states) is null and void, no effect on HRE)
    Civ Bonus1: Pavise handgunners - Hand cannoneers gain +1P armour
    Civ bonus 2: You receive 50% of the gold spent on training monks by your allies
    Civ bonus 3:You receive 50% of the gold spent on researching of Monastery techs by your allies.
    Civ bonus 4:Cardinals (Papal monks) Gains 20 gold each time they convert an enemy unit.

    Team Bonus:Condottiero available in the Barracks in Imperial Age
    Barracks
    Champion Heater shield + sword + kettle helm
    Pikemen - Heater shield + Spear + kettle helm
    When allied to the Swiss , both Swiss and Papal states gain access to Papal Guards. Can hook enemies with his halberd to slow them down. Papal Guards are slower and have less Line of Sight than Halberdiers, but have more attack , more HP and gains added pierce armour when in the vicinity of any church. Does bonus damage to Landsknechts + Dopplesalders. (Uses Papal Guard skin from DE3)
    Stable
    Papal Bull knights (Goes up to cavalier if not allied)
    Hussar
    AR
    Arb
    Handcannonners (with Pavise on back)
    Mounted Crossbowmen - does more damage than a CA but fires slower. (Portuguese as well)
    If allied to a civ with strong CA you instead gain those ca + their bonuses.
    SW
    BBC
    Capped ram
    Mangonel
    Scorpion
    Monnestary:
    Cardinals (Papal monks) Gains 20 gold each time they convert an enemy unit.
    No Illumination.
    Dock:
    Gallion
    Fast fire
    Demo
    Cannon galleon
    Wonder:St Peters Basilica

  • @josepablopedrosadantas6561
    @josepablopedrosadantas6561 3 місяці тому +1

    Since this video was made before mountain royals dlc came i must point out that Armenians unique tech apply to condottieri, making them having a whopping 110 hp, its is kinda broken when your pair italians and Armenians