How Cheating Almost Destroyed Bhop
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2023
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Bhop is a competitive speedrunning game in the counter-strike franchise (CS 1.6, CS:S and CSGO), with a history that extends over 20 years. We investigated 2 confirmed cheaters, each of whom had their own motivations and ultimate downfall. If you like the video, leave a like and subscribe!
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@bamtna
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Quick Update! Wolfie sent me a message after the video was published.
I think its pretty mature and brings some much needed closure.
Spoilers below
06/20/2023 4:39 PM
"Hey, it’s been a long time! Just saw your latest vid on the whole cheating scandal lmao and I gotta tell you it’s amazing
Just want to clarify the cheating started a literal month before I was banned (November 2022) when I got arcane and all those other runs
What made people suspicious was me cheating cutekittenz cause that route is almost as hard as the monster_jam route
Why I started cheating is unclear to me now as it happened half a year ago but it was not cause I had to fix my life
That was just a reason to make people feel bad for me for some reason
I think I started cheating due to greed and laziness. Just getting the records without having to spend an awful lot of time
06/20/2023 4:47 PM
So in conclusion the runs that I actually beat newdun legit was fps_max and pharma. The “evidence” of them being legit is that at least pharma had a full shadow play compared to the cheated runs that had the last 30 seconds shadow played
Either way Ima say it again - your vid is bloody amazing and you’re a great storyteller, keep doing what you do king👑
he keep changing what he says lmao
As always, honesty is key 🔑 💯😤 a step in the right direction for wolfie!
(☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
Lol not mature at all. Most people dont cheat. Cheaters dont change
@@Flappy9 part of maturing is realizing that people can change, by the way.
do not let this video distract you from the fact a player by the name of "dewb" got caught cheating via a graphing calculator
Bro 💀
Where can I find more info?
I should ask him but I feel like I'd either get instablocked or swatted because of how armed and dangerous dewb is
@@DR-54 schizoid
@@dewbhopsbro 💀💀💀💀
Really nice seeing someone produce content for a community that’s starving for it, nice video repster!
Agreed, get this repster guy ambassador role ASAP!
@@shanebhop head ass 🤓
Agreed, get this repster guy ambassador role ASAP!
Agreed, get this repster guy ambassador role ASAP!
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Extremely good story telling and research. Thanks for the video and keep up the great work!
Thank you!!!
zabil kačky\
this donation taught me that czech isn't a eurozone country lol had no idea!
@@scs44444yee ikr, europe and still many currencies
What a waste of good money
You're really good at story telling, and it makes these videos fun to watch
Bhop always had the reputation even from way back of being full of cheaters, so it's pretty poetic that the guy who was gonna avenge the big cheater ended up being an even bigger cheater himself. Really good video, would love more random stories of bhop/surf in the future, theres so many funny anecdotes to tell just like this example
Great video!
When I heard about all the bhoppers involved in the Ashley Madison leak I was shocked, and appaled. Such cheating and depravity
Thats crazy that a percentage sign was the giveaway, I guess sometimes simple things can be overlooked. I wonder if the MMR tool creators did that on purpose so that people can differentiate between real runs and recorded runs
mindful1k is probably right in this case, but Geometry Dash cheat devs did intentionally make a watermark to show when runs were faked. That was used to catch a popular geo dash cheater
The mmr is open source and because it reformats the chat message strings the % was removed accidentally
check out geometry dash biggest cheater, its very similar story with cheats watermark
These videos keep getting better and better. The story telling is fantastic, the editing is high quality and the topics are super insightful. Great work my man
i used to play with newdun and some friends on gmod deathruns and bhop, never knew he cheated, never told us, never suspected. It's sad and feel weird to learn it. thanks for the vid was great
not like he always cheated
He was a really good bhopper. There’s no denying his skill. However, that usually makes a player more likely to cheat. They grind maps for a long time and genuinely have the skill to take the WR but get frustrated when they don’t get the luck they need to actually make it over the wall.
They end up feeling like they deserve the record, and here we are.
Newdun played dr?
not much but he did came a couple of times on a french server then went back to bhop x)@@TryHardCentral
I remember newdun too. An extremely toxic guy who always argued with someone in the chat.
Bhop content pog
YOOOOO THANK YOU!!!! That means so much right now 👑
RepsterSurf keep it up man your content is a unique mix of things that feel like they were made just for me and my interests. I know I'm not the only one who appreciates the quality of your work it's awesome seeing movement games get covered like this.
RepsterSurf BTW you still have a Playlist of the bhop videos you used in this video public on your channel under "bhopvid"
Bhop is by far the most toxic community I've been a part of in gaming lol
This comment reminded me of Leafyishere, which he also was ultrs toxic, no surprises there.
@@AntonioKH2 when did leaf ever bhop sude he was an amateur surfer
Got a feeling this video will do good in terms of views and interaction. Cheating scandals are always interesting. Keep it up Repster
Man, I still remember being in Call with Wolfie when he hit cutekittenz, such an authentic reaction. I never even suspected him.
i was there too
He actually typed to me to join the server, two minutes later he hit it. 😂
8:53 Literally what ALL of the cheaters do when they get caught.
"Oh I did cheat, but ONLY on these LESSER totally unimportant runs. My world records? 10000000% legit af"
Since i saw this story-type content on trackmania i always wondered when will it come to cs in a form or another! Great work, keep it up !!
fantastic video man super high quality and clear reporting
Crazy vid, well done
Thank you for covering bhop I have loved this for so long and even though there are still many cheaters people put thousands of hours to just become as close as a robot as they can to improve these insane time and it needs some recognition
You are doing an amazing job. I've played surf lots over the years and I've always wondered why videos such as yours hadn't caught on (good thing you've changed that). The only way I could suggest improvements would be to add some interviews with members of the community regarding the video topic. Again, wonderful videos mate.
your videos are really improving! keep going brother ❤
active member of the KZ community here. your videos are always a treat. keep up the good work!
shout shane real detective took this kid down
Would love to see some more bhop stories
for real, this and chuck. A bhop story really are the only ones out there which is a shame. Hopefully more soon
yes!!!!!
W video, glad that the algorithm blessed me with yo channel :D
Damn, Wolfie really pulled a "And I don't regret a second of it!"
this dude has been watching that trackmania guy
Great video, YT is missing content like this these days..
You remember me Wirtual from the trackmania community...really really simillar but props to you, nice video mate.
Simply an excellent video. Thank you for putting time, effort, and love into making this!
Awesome video.
as a bhopper, its great to see content like this, good job repster!
*as a bhop cheater
@@jaylnjayln "Shut up" -ferguslover12
@@leanos. 3 hours
@@myles2526 Yes
Bro I didn’t notice that I watched full video, great story telling
are you planning to make any kz videos soon ?
really good video man!!! been waiting for something like this :D
Felt like I was watching a Wirtual video, never played nor been interested in cs or surfing but watched it all so good job
Is Tony Montana the same guy who used to play Zombie Mod and Zombie Escape on CS:Source?
yes
Damn. I actually watched some of Wolfies streams and thought, Damn... This guy is good. Sad to hear he ended up being a cheater :/
what is the first bhop mpa in the vid called i forgot the name
the wolfie thing with the % symbol reminds me of a geometry dash cheat program that has a watermark where it makes one of the texts saying "level complete" like 10 pixels smaller and so a bunch of people got outted for cheats just by comparing the text size for 3 seconds of the videos
nice videos man, are you planning on making a kz video at some point?
Is there any option to see something like on 4:13 minute? like the strafe gain analyzer bar thing or something like that, I dunno. I just think that it can help me on kz to make strafes a bit smoother and see my mistake. hope this
unfortunately im not sure, but u can join their discord and search or ask around
discord.gg/nP5YzB3
It's called strafetrainer and it's a server plugin that lots of servers (at least in CS:S) have. You activate it with !strafetrainer
good job on 10k sub repster ur killing it
Really informative and intense video. As a person who knows lots of things about bhop and surf can you help me to name first bhop and surf community maps? They might be from source version I suppose, not 1.6. Thank you.
Great video man, really interesting.
Any chance someone know what the music is in the start? :D
really nice execution on this documentary
nice video, rarely see the bhop community being highlighted
similar saga occurred in a tf2 jump server w/ boshy
is it known why the percentage sign didn't appear while using mmr?
Is there a tool you can use to show how optimal your strafes are? Or would that also be considered cheating
Some servers have !strafetrainer which is what you see on screen at 4:26, perfectly legal
I stopped bhopping a few years ago. Makes me so sad to hear that newdun was confirmed a cheater. I really enjoyed spectating his attempts at bhop_sqee and other maps, he was really skilled. I even bought my gaming mouse because I asked him what he used.
Woah, what is that mouse technique at 4min?
Thoroughly enjoyed. I'd love to know what the evidence against nwdn is
Amazing video, made all the memories of BHWC flood my mind again, thank you for making this
Wait that plot twist was crazy though wtf
it was… WOLFIE *boss music starts playing*
awesome coverage 👍 played this game most of my life and didn’t even know about the message missing a character
Damn, never knew about Wolfie's ban. In fact, i was absolutely blown away when he got arcane wr. Shame on all of the cheaters, no matter the reason. Y'all had it coming 🎉
I went to rewatch Phoons too much for zblock and this video was underneath it. My heart dropped a little for a second
the Wirtual of cs storytelling
10k almost!! Duude this was so good. Lold when JORDAN came up because he would always defend himself that he didnt cheat but yeah. Does make you wonder about surf eh?
vartazian don't put that bad juju on surf >:( /s
damn, crazy bhop getting some quality attention so long after it died out
what is the name of the map?
Can you please talk about how quake supposedly made surf in 2002 while it's claimed surf was discovered in 2004 in cs
"he cheated"
"why"
"i refuse to reveal the evidence as to not damage his reputation"
"bro... we way pass that..."
from what i could tell, it was because other ppl were involved that tony and newdun agreed not to release the evidence.
i dont think it was for newduns sake
@@Repster so they want to protect 5 cheaters instead of 1? sry i just get tilted when cheating is involved.
@@jachcoff could be because they don’t want to leak the methods used if it’s hard to detect, also don’t want to teach cheaters what is getting them caught.
@@jejxkxkust look at how 2 guys handled the situation for trakmania.
They now have a patch to run in order to submit runs.
Bhop is pretty doomed at this point it’s been more than 10 years and no one made anything like this.
It’s pretty clear that it’s not for the sake of the community if they don’t reveal
They didn’t want the name of the guy who supplied it to stop others asking for it, the guy who gave it to him was turtle 🐢 🫡
hey man, is there source servers still working today?
thanks for the video.
for sure just head to the sourcejump link in the description!
@@Repster thanks :)
This is such a good video on the bhop community and it's history, thank you!
I quit bhopping in 2018 because opti was everywhere back then
I subbed after this wonderful vud
10:12 lol that transition
>French
>CS
>cheat
that should explain everything
Hey man, not to alarm you, but I think there’s a video inside your mid-roll ads!
We NEED to know how Newdun went about cheating. Withholding that kind of information is exactly what enables cheaters to thrive in competitive environments.
if the evidence are released it will ruins bhop
Yep and its why I asked Tony to release it lol, or at least let the top people know so we can spot it in the future
I remembwr being so surprised when forests arcane run was beaten. I never knew that Newdun was a cheater :(
10:00 its like SpaceUK from Geometry dash getting caught to be cheating as the end screen was a different size, also a very recent happening
Watching this reminds me I'm still madge at endo servers for false banning me because my strafes were too clean for a new player
I was beating world records on servers in Gmod during 2015 - 2017. Never really thought about there being this big of a community beyond Gmod or CS:S.
Man I used to bHop back in 2012-2013 wasn't really a big community back then only maybe 20-30 of us dedicated crazy to see how it has grown
Not sure how hard you tried to look because bhop has been a big thing for a lot longer.
What's stopping people from using the path cheat in surf? I've never heard of these cheats used for surfing.
Can someone explain why % is missing when cheats are used? Is that built in feature?
i wish i knew, probably only cheaters or the creator of the cheat truly knows.
This is just sad to see, That people have to cheat in such a chill and peaceful game.
Surf and Bhop was a big part of my teenage year. Much appreciated for this video. Big love to Phoon as well. If you’re reading this, you’re the GOAT 🎉
What newdun means is that their cheats are so undetectable it would create overload, everyone would use his methods since the efficacy of the cheat being so hard to detect would make so appealing to replicate thus creating so much extra work for people responsible for unmasking cheaters
Can we see some high quality vids for KZ as well pretty please? Launders would be proud :D
I had a weird feeling about wolfie as soon as I saw his earlier runs.
Good video, keep it up!
I love how a certain dev implemented a “watermark” so he knew could deduce that someone was using his software on sight lol
It’s more so how the timer plug-in registers strafe synchronisation from player keypresses. I guess if the key press is artificial input, something in the timer changes when displaying the synchronisation rate.
The trash talking was very cringe lol. Awesome video
opti with rand() is basically ud
I suspected this for a while. Alot of the top players strafes are just way too smooth. We need a way to detect this stuff.
literally has nothing to do with how he was cheating
@@myles2526 what are you talking about? strafe optimizers absolutely make strafes smoother
@@Flappy9 he wasn't banned for opti
Crazy to Look into the World of Competitive bhop Being a casual GO Bhopper I didn't even really think people could cheat but I Guess here we are
How did you not think people could cheat? Genuine question, because there is a way to cheat literally every game in existence, video games or even physical board/card games
I guess I didn't know the tools were there to cheat I didn't realize it was an issue at the top level I of course know people cheat
And to explain myself more I usually only bhop on go while waiting for friends to get on and play on these servers just to wait and on these CSGO servers they even have categories dedicated to TAS runs so I didn't realize things like mmr existed I did know about auto strafers but thought people only really used it in kz so I was surprised that these were big issues at a top level. I did know people probably cheated but never would have thought some of the biggest players did it my original comment is worded weird as well
would be dope to have a video on Surf_Kitsune
OGs remember Tony only approves Potc hopping
lmfao, I've been so out of the loop, I didn't know wolfie cheated. well, that makes me feel a bit better
A welcome sight seeing you here 🫡
Very noice
did you ever see when F0rest (bhopper forest not pro player forest), nearly broke his wrist from constantly running arcane?
nearly had heart failure from his shoulder pains*
@@matan3884 Yes exactly, it's been years since I saw a video on that shot for correcting
Not arcane* it was actually bhop_cute_kittenz
rep "investigative journalism" ster back with another heater
High profile cheaters admitting to only cheating a few of their runs is extremely common
I would never understand why would you continue to lie when all eyes are pointing at you.
Fun fact:
September 6th is my birthday
bhop_arcane is my favorite bhop map
They should promote cheat run speed running undetected. As in, you are allowed to cheat, cheat and try to fool the system in a different bracket. This would allow cheaters to cheat and get exposed without problems, and the anti cheat would get improved.