The Hidden Speedrunning Communities of Counter-Strike
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2023
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While CSGO is known for aiming and shooting, underneath the hood is a Speedrunning community unlike any other. CSGO Surf, CSGO Bhop, CSGO KZ, and many others, comprise a game unto its own. Lets investigate the hidden speedrunning communities of Counter-Strike. - Ігри
KZ is the hardest of the three big movement modes in CS but I love them all. Great Video.
love kz. my proudest moment was beating kz_grass_hard. couldn't get a no-fail, but i think i got pretty close to that too. i was most hooked on kz
It's definitely the most technical of the big three, not sure about the "hardest". Then again, I rarely played kz so maybe it is. 🤷♂️
Its for sure the hardest, a skilled kz player can be somewhat proficient in any of the other modes but the same does not apply for skilled players in other modes playing kz.
@@KingYoshiSurfer I would say it’s definitely the hardest. Maps get insanely hard and the skill gap and ceiling is very high. There’s so much to learn in KZ even after understanding the basics. Like you said it’s also the most difficult in terms of technicality. There are some pretty braindead maps in KZ where you don’t even need to know how to strafe or anything and beat a map but even the simplest tier 1 maps can become tier 6 when you try to go fast. I feel like that’s the same in any of the modes but KZ has a lot of options when it comes to routing and combos to hit etc. I also agree with what makis said.
@@makis6672I can confirm that kz skills doesn't transfer to surf. My irl friend was at a time one of the top kz players. And me myself mainly a surfer. And I can confidently say that he couldn't surf.
I’m glad you covered death-run. This was a mode I always thought could be a standalone game since I first played it back in 06. Literally, I have no doubt it influenced games like fall guys. Etc.
Then obviously mini game was huge as well.
I miss the old days of css when things weren’t about speedruns, but about fun. Something very nostalgic about thinking about surf, pre-timer.
Great Video
Playing mg_ course maps is how I got into speedrunning maps in css in the first place! Before there were servers with timers for these maps, the maps often had a built-in time limit by default and would reward people depending on how far they got accordingly (weapons etc). Other times they would just kill everyone once someone makes it to the end. Great vid!
thats crazy that you mentioned minigames course because thats how i started to surf lol
The original skoutzknives also was a game mode that combined surfing and low grav, very different from Valve's version now in the game. Glass maps (glass_) where you have to break blocks to kill the other team seems to be a game mode that died with CS:Source once CSGO was released.
As a former cs 1.6 autobhop/speedrun player, thank you for all this coverage, specially the speedrun maps that you mentioned at 7:30! Miss those days!
this video hit my subbox literally within 60 seconds the algorithm loves you
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That's not an algorithm
@@tehjamerz Sub boxes are notoriously known for not working on UA-cam, so I’m comparing them to the working capacity of the UA-cam algorithm, which also does not work
@@dismals no
i actually used to grind MG course a lot a while ago, it was so hard and fun to learn all the hard maps and techniques. Like i can remember on some maps you had to time everything perfectly to do a non stop run. Like for example learning when all holes/walls or whatever is open without any obstacle in the way and looking at timeleft of map to remember how many seconds it takes to get there and then calculating when to start your run etc. Some maps are actually super nerdy to do with timing etc but ofc some players just ran the map in hopes to be lucky
I'm glad to have it covered, albeit very short 😅
🤑@@zhell
rip mg community : (
7:45 I literally smilled, because I made thumbnail of that video which is played. It were good times...
Thanks for covering deathrun
So happy to see a mention of hns I would love to see a video going into it more. Used to be my bread and butter for years before it basically died
No worries mate.
Some of us work very hard to keep hns running but unfortunately the community has become somewhat toxic.
somewhat toxic feels like an understatement
best gamemode, always in a state of death however it’s impossible to quit
yoo shout out quack
Opened UA-cam and this was the very first video in my recommended, perfect!
It’s important to note that the slide mechanic KovaaK discovered in Quake later became a bhop offstyle in 1.6 with its own dedicated slide maps. Which coincidentally shortly after matured to become surf.
A bunch of russians recently made a mode where you can choose a prop (box, chair , etc...) and push it to the end of the map the fastest you can, unfortunately, I cannot remember how it's called and if it still exists but it's definitely up there in the goofiest speedrun mode
Sounds like fun
prop hunt ?
Brilliant work lad. 👍
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Great video! A well deserved subscription ❤
Course was my movement game of choice, spent at least a thousand hours in it. Excited to see it finally be covered by a youtuber
Dude I already consider you one of the most SLEPT on gaming channels overall, but you really stepped it up with this one. Thanks so much for the entertaining and honestly in depth history lesson on some of my favorite subgenres of the perfect game that is CS
Love your channel man. Keep up the CS Lore.
Great video, AND YOU COVERED DEATHRUN gosh that takes me back
thanks for taking your time to cover cs 1.6/csgo original speedrun! appreciate than as active part of this community :)
I speedrun MG courses and got really excited to see mg course being talked about! :D
great video, i spent a good chunk of my life in the cs movement community and a lot of this video was a nice nostalgia trip. hopefully there will be some way to preserve the amazing game modes for cs2
kz is a double edged sword, you get better at movement but the physics are very different and some habits you get from kz strafing kinda grief you in vanilla, still love it tho
The bad habits are built on bad technique tho. I’ve been playing kzt for years and never really felt like my movement habits grief me in matchmaking. It’s just a rabbit hole you have to go down. There were tons of kz mechanics I had no idea about before I understood how to switch up between kzt and vnl.
@@gaodesu_ I feel like on kz servers I can spam way more strafes in a longjump. If i try the same on vnl I just slow down
Love the vids bro. I have been playing these game modes for years but never knew their history
I'm glad you covered MG courses, there are a lot of current insane bhop players that started out with minigames and it's nice to see it getting some attention, although sad to see it's current state in CS:GO.
Hopefully we will see a comeback in CS2! 😎
Öpnna servern! :D
@@jekd798 Vi tar det i CS2 istället 😎
@@jekd798 😂sad its dead now
@@zhell OOOOOO:
Great video! Discussion about which gamemode is better will always arise, so it's refreshing to be reminded that we're all part of a bigger community!
keep up the great videos!
Awesome video, vids like these keep the communities alive and give hope for the future.
Excellent video!! Learned about a ton of stuff I had no idea existed
Thanks for mentioning deathrun, as a member, and, one of the owners of a recently shut down community, although in cs 1.6. It still feels nice to hear about it from somebody else.
I'm just glad when talking about trick surf you compared to Tony Hawk Underground, that was exactly what came to my mind also.
There's something about the freedom and momentum in THUG2 + Source Games that've driven my passion in games since I was a child.
Splendid Video, TrickJump Underrated
I’ve been watching your channel for a while, I can feel a break through coming. Keep making quality videos like this, next year you will easily be at 100k
bro this was such a nostalgia trip for me. i spent hundres of hours on course servers lol didnt know there was a speedrun community for this category. awesome video dude
Thank you. Great video. I learned a lot.
Thank you for mentioning deathrun.
Was fun grinding out records for a year straight of my life
great vids keep em coming
i have speedrunned courses for over 10+ years on css and own a lot of the course wr's. Great video! :)
11:47 this is by design, valve have been wanting to kill these servers since CSGO came out
I miss 35hp knife, spent hundreds of hours on that before servers shut down. It's incredible the skill ceilling something as simple as a knife 1 shot 1v1 has. I also love bhop noscope awp, there are still servers but not that many players, and once again the techniques you have to acquire and the different ways of playing are incredible.
great vid. i would love to see you expand on the matchmaking movement cheating / clip hunting & legit movement scene.
Super cool learning about all these other game modes!
I miss deathrun... So many memories lol
6:02 actually Ropz is playin many KZ maps and he has amazing movement, also this jump wasn't so easily proved
Nah smeis is just insane
Great piece!
I can also think about base builder mode - where you essentially build base using some bhop/surf traps that are hard to pass. The goal is to protect yourself against enemy zombies and hunt them once their fall into your trap. You can also get trapped in your own trap once its either poorly made or too hard for you to complete.
I pretty recently was trying to look for a tricksurf server to try out on CSGO and discovered that there was none. It makes me sad, was looking forward to it. Looks super fun
Hey man, nice vid! can you pls do another bhop video pls. LOve the content
i used to play so much minigame course back in the day, practically half my hours on csgo came from it. if anyone else did back in the day, im sure you're familiar with the SWOOBLES server. great times.
mad respect for mentioning trickjump and HNS.
daaamn, i had a feeling it would all lead up to Trikz in the end.
But damn, this made me nostalgic.
The countless hours i spent with my mate on trikz servers. Banging our heads against those insane challenges some Maps offered.
Talking about life, girls and everything while going for the runboost into 3x flash and ultimately failing the bhop section afterwards.
Feeling so defeat but also crying laughing, just to finally beat a map and having the biggest most victorious adrenaline rush.
Fuck that shit was insane.
Or spending hours on a new Trikz map, just for one of us to get the internet shut off at 3 AM because we were screaming to loud beeing happy we finally cleared a new stage.
Losing all Progress but going again the next day, with more knowledge.
Damn.. Cs was a different game back then.
The whole World was different back then to be honest. FUCK.
Kinda wish we could go back in time, and aprreciate what we had back then.
Todays CS is all about matchmaking, ranks and shit.
Back then Gaming was for Fun. With thriving communitys on small servers where you get to know each other.
I fucking miss this.
I would loveeee an hour long documentary of the Surfing history from you. Hopefully you get the time and motivation to do an in depth documentary like that sometime
kz and hns still remain my favourite cs gamemodes
Wow. I always wondered what happened to skyworld servers. Zee’s and Pharm’s servers is what introduced me to surf like 15yrs ago. Will never forget all of the games of PIG. My first T1000. First Awp2Awp2Awp. Unreal nostalgia and I wish they were still around
man skyworld deserves its own 30 minute video
Holy, didn't see you when I was looking at this video Mifl, hope all is well!
so happy mg_ maps got some love
Great as always
bro i paused and read that shit and that was 100% worth it. i didn’t know what that dude z was gonna say next
played hns for about 9 years at this point. theres much negativity and toxicity there but its home. :D
hns and trickjump are worth checking out to anyone
God I fucking loved death run. I only stopped playing it because I got so good at it on the servers that I played on that I would just bhop so fast through the map that the poor death couldn't catch up to me. Shit was actually so fucking fun. I had so many fond memories of it
@repstersurf I remember in 1.6 I played a mode that was called slide and it was just like surf but with lower air acceleration so you were like on a ski slope navigating through obstacles. Does anyone else remember this?
the (almost) end of tricksurf could definitely be its own video
Hi Repster, i absolutely love your work. And even though your channel is dedicated to surf I wanted to try out kz after watching this but couldn't find any good tutorial. So I wanted to ask of you could make one, where you cover all the basics. Like high- and longjumps, how to setup your controls correctly, ladders, bhop on vnl settings, ...
Best wishes from affenaffgaffel.
I would highly recommend checking out ReDMooNTV and Nykan, they've already made tutorials much better than i could!
Launders
used to play course, it was so much fun and the servers (secret-force, final respawn) were always well visited.
sad that they both shut down, i must have like 1.5-2k hours on minigame servers alone
pretty cool seeing hns being mentioned here
Man this is so cool!
Take a look at HNS Blocks game mode, I think it only exists in CS 1.6? I haven't done my research completely but I used to play it a lot in 1.6
the cs rocket jumping game seems really fun. I wish there were still servers around
If possible I'd be very useful if you could do a video to assist setting up servers; not focusing on the technicals but rather the most common groups of plugins with their versions and the current means of obtaining them along with modern good practices server owners may use nowadays. It would be useful for those who are already familiar with linux/selfhosting but not acquainted yet with current day source modding and would help provide some direction/centralize some of the harder to access information making the barrier of entry a bit lower.
this
Never heard anyone talk about MG Course on a youtube video like this before. Used to play swoobles and tru course servers for thousands of hours. Good times.
I'm almost surprised you didn't mention conc jumping. It's an old Team Fortress Classic mode that I'm almost certain was ported to csgo at some point. I've definitely played it before, and it would seem weird to do that in tf2 when rocket jumping exists so I must have done it in cs...
i learnt alot thnaks
trikz looks insane. never knew it existed
some of the crazies movement ive seen from the source community was during my days playing scout knives. I think those servers were running trick jump maps
Great video. hope you blow up more
Vanilla where the floor is lava. You can get all the way from CT Spawn Inferno to top banana. Feel like it's a missed opportunity.
Do decompiled maps exists for CS2?
Goated video
When creating subtitles, please be careful about scene bleeds, because it's very glaring to the eyes.... Still, very good subtitles by UA-cam standards, especially since you are a smaller creator.
Great video, keep it up!
Deathrun was where i learned what bhop was :) too bad the remaining servers on gmod aren't very active anymore
Base builder while it may not be a speedrunning gamemode it was popular in 2018, rn there is basically 0 servers that run it
in cs go mm you can still bhop but its diffrent and much more difficult, yet still possible to gain good speed
this old bhop and flashboosting still worked in css v34 and there is still having servers with online.
Every time I watch your videos, I'm confused why you have so few subs. All your videos are extremely well scripted and entertaining throughout.
ahh yes KZ the game mode where i break my fingers trying to practice hitting more than 8 strafes for but cant.
ah yes HNS the mode where i get ran in circles by some player who has played for 7 years and can do 120000 strafes a second, guess im sticking to surf and bhop lol
Sounds like a skill issue. KZ does have the highest skill gap and ceiling of the three modes but you also don’t need to hit 8 strafes to beat a map or hit high long jumps.
@@ronald_gaming6003 true but it would be satisfying to hit 10-12 strafes, i currently get around 275-280 unit LJ's with 8 strafes and have been stuck on that for a long time, every time i come back to the mode i try to learn more but cant move my fingers fast enough
@@amythewolf6314 I hit 275’s with 6 strafes. I’ve noticed for me you can either have a lot of strafes (I can get up to 9) but have terrible sync or I can have a lower amount and I typically sit at 75-85 sync on most of my LJs.
I haven't heard about Trikz in forever. I would watch some videos on YT but it's so insanely underground
your videos are so good
If you play on Bhop servers you'll have to do all 3 (Bhop, KZ and surf) for some maps, its the actual culmination of the 3, not KZ.
Cool to see deathrun mentioned though, that's how i started bhopping cause when i played it on Gmod the vast majority of servers would have auto-jump enabled so Bhopping was the meta everyone learned to dodge traps easier, after that i went over to Bhop and the rest is history.
I pray that CS2's movement game modes will be just as good as CS:GO's, preferably even as good as CS:S', and i hope Valve makes all 3 an official game mode or at the very least surf.
I don't think Trikz will ever take off however cause it requires very good coordination and you having a partner with you at all times.
The deathrun speedrun community in 1.6 is def a huge meme especially with autobhop. Most players play at extremly high fps and it becomes sort of a joke since runs were common at 300 or 333 fps, which could be slightly compared to playing auto bhop in css at 300+ tickrate. The most common and respected way of running DR in 1.6 is on default 10aa settings and submitting demos via cosy climbing or other demo sites. Great content regarding all of the CSGO and CSS stuff, but some of the 1.6 stuff thats brought up is kinda inaccurate but I dont think anyone would blame you for that since its extremely hard to find information about alot of this stuff.
Also thank you for pointing out slide pre-existed counterstrike, it was a common misconception that Mario created it, but he was one of the first to make maps for 100aa. Its annoying making slide maps for 1.6 and it gets attributed to the wrong game mode from css / csgo players since the history and naming got garbled from the transition into csgo kz. And why no shoutout to gateway surf??
hns trickjump needs to be more known
What map at 2:04 ? It’s been years since I’ve seen it, that one was fun. Ended up being a challenge on who could get the fastest start rather than the rest of the map
that was surf_aircontrol
please make a vid on danger zone movement, its insane
I played dozens of mg server over years on cs:go and I think every person I know that also played would call it multigames not minigames
TRIKZ ON TOP BABY
kzt = "medium settings" and skz = "buffed settings"? OkayChamp... Wouldn't describe it like this since these are just 2 completely different game modes, both "buffed" differently
Trickjump odly reminds me of surf-catch from 1.6
ssx tricky, gunz
you should do a same video about Zombie Mods
most of what you covered is very popular and well known
7:34 damn that's a high sens lol, he's barely moving his mouse