So it's my understanding that this multiverse is one without Darkseid and therefore cannot exist, there is a separate multiverse where the dcau, superfriends, still exist with a Darkseid am I correct?
@@colinftp3288from what it sounds yea. This and Kill the Justice League were his last big projects as Batman, which seems really bleak that we didn't get a classic Batman story as his last run as the dark knight
@@Subpar1O1Tbf, they didn't know he had cancer. The fact that we got this Crisis moment as an insanely beautiful finale to cap off his time as Batman is a miracle in itself.
"There's so many good stories where some brave hero has to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors cheer, and everyone lives happily ever after. But the hero never gets to see the ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith. Ain’t that a bitch.” -Epsilon/Church
In one of the blob movies there's a soldier who pulls the pins on his grenades before he gets crushed by the blob, a couple shots later a spot on the blob glows a few times as the grenades explode doing absolutely nothing. To go into a situation you know you'll lose to try and save as many people as you can is what defines a hero to me, "a beacon of hope amidst the darkness", even if unsuccessful we've done all we can and we just have to hope it's enough to help everyone else
Honestly I’m glad we saw the DCAU it might have been destroyed but at least our last time seeing Kevin as Batman isn’t him getting shot in the head by Harley on a park bench
@@dukeheavens9990it isn’t that he died, it’s the method of his death. Imagine if Superman just up and died eating a cake cause it has an ingredient in it that he is allergic to. Or Spider-Man is stabbed through the chest by a preschooler. It’s essentially the same thing in this case because for all three it’s an anti climactic death from something no one saw coming because they ordinarily deal with similar scenarios on the daily.
@@Sm0key_Ratesyeah like it literally becomes a paradox if it is the real animated dcau. For example it’s told to us that the Multiversus was created when flash killed darkseid so every new universe after it doesn’t have a darkseid. Problem, the animated universe does have a darkseid but if it is the real version of it then it can’t have darkseid since it was only born after said darkseid was killed and that universe was split. It literally becomes a paradox
I'm actually surprised that they weren't under the same stipulations as the Arrowverse's crisis. They were only able to use all the toys if they put them back in the toybox when they were done. It really shows how low profile this was and DC's current perspective on previous projects.
Agreed, this should've felt like an epic event. This would've been the time to feature characters from their previous animated shows/movies. To take a risk. To go out with a bang.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp the arrowverse crisis with it's very limited cast choices and budget "felt" a lot more epic despite being a live action tv show....
I think the whole "Multiverse is a Cancer" Thing is meant to be isolated to this incident, the Multiverse shown in the Tomorrowverse isn't a natural one, but rather one born from Constantine shattering the old DCAMU by killing Darkseid. It's not a "true" multiverse, it's just one universe that's being stretched, like a shirt being unraveled into individual threads? If that makes sense. Its the fabric of one reality being forced to sustain infinite variations of itself, but it cant. that was set up at the very beginning of the Tomorrowverse when it was revealed Constantine "wounded" the universe itself. Now we see the consequences of that wound in the universes immune response. So yeah, this isn't a "crisis" for the wider, true multiverse or even other animated media, it's a isolated incident of one "multiverse" that was never meant to be collapsing on itself.
Honestly, it just makes it feel lazy. If the whole point is to collapse the multiverse into one at the end, then why not feature popular characters from their previous animated movies/shows as part of the main cast. This is the time to do it. Go out with a bang, especially since we're not gonna see those worlds again. And it's even worse that they didn't since this is Kevin Conroy's last performance as Batman. They went the easy way. This whole thing should've hyped people up as part fo an event. I didn't even know this came out until I saw a video reviewing it.
I think it's a story about how all of these stories end. But our journeys with them still matter and our journeys with other newer versions of three characters will carry the spirit of what came before
Exactly! I think the main message is how none of these universes last forever. Even if we have been getting Bruce Timm movies that "technically" take place in the DCAU, the era of the DCAU is still over, and it's never coming back.
@@blackfox4138I mean, you’re right. I know you’re right. But I really don’t like that you said it out loud. And I hate you now. Because I have ONLY kept the last ounce of my sanity because I have just been telling myself “Batman didn’t go to Heaven. He just went to space. Batman goes to space all the time.😢😢😭😤😠”
@@kourtneyr.scruggs0988 Just like yesterday is gone and over those stories and universes are gone and over. But you and I will carry their lessons into tomorrow. . Batman isn't gone, he lives in the lessons you learned from his adventures. And he lives on in the spirit he inspired in people who make those new stories.
The scene with the DCAU was a great scene but realistically it's not actually the DCAU. It has the same art style but is more of an emotional send-off than a canonical one. It's like the animated film Superman: Brainiac Attacks. It has the same art style and some of the same voice actors (I say some because that was definitely not Mark Hamill in this movie) but it isn't actually part of the DCAU.
It wouldn’t make any sense because Batman Beyond and The Zeta Project exists so that would mean, if it were actually canon, the DCAU had some sort of follow up story that eventually retcons these 3 movies and restores the timeline back to normal so BB and TZP can exist.
Plus even if it WAS officially that universe, all it’s gonna take is a good pitch from a writer and suddenly it’ll be back. As long as there’s a good story to tell (or money to be made) nothing is ever truly dead.
@@awesomebacon1075I mean it’s not like DC doesn’t have a ton of Crisis events that literally involve characters from future centuries just suddenly not existing anymore despite previously being established. Like Zero Hour or Doomsday
“If it has to end, at least I go out like this BEING BATMAN” it’s so fitting that these will be the last words we ever hear KC as Batman. You were truly one of a kind Mr. Conroy 🦇
When He says 1 life to save untold billions? I call that a win I go straight to this exchange between Megatron and Optimus. Megatron: Is the future of our race not worth a single human life? Optimus Prime: You'll never stop at one!
The only trouble with these characters and their multiple reboots is that there is no gravity to their actions. No ENDING. All good stories have a beginning, middle and end. Also, I think we just didn’t have enough time with these versions of the heroes to become invested in them. You can’t hurry love; you just have to wait.
Art imitates life, reboots are just different generations of the class of hero. Kamen Rider and Sentai have all these generations and variations of their series with varying degrees of continuity between them, each year a series following a new series. Crisis on Infinite Earths is that send off Endgame where it seeks to provide closure to several older stories and generations while passing the torch to the next generation of Supermen, Batmen, and Wonder Women.
@@otterfire4712Youre just making shit up, mate. These Movies were nothing but lazzy cashgrabs. The Animation is mediocre at best and the Story is infantile Horseshit.
CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS was a comic book event *about DC comics in the 1980s* and all the confusing histories of the characters crunhing into one continutity. Making animated movies about this as if the basic idea is compelling on its own is...odd.
Yeah, the comic event worked because they had to merge the continuity. The other earth's interacted with each other and in some cases, comics that were canon were retroactively turned into an alt history. No one knew what was and wasn't canon. This movie didn't have a history of these universes interacting. There was no confusing history. That's why they leaned heavily on the nostalgia of older animated projects.
Not to mention that the universe that the Crisis on Infinite Earths was divided back into a multiverse through various other crises and reboots and what not.
@@WiGgYof09you know what's interesting? There's a still image from an episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold where that Batman teams up woth other Batmen from different animated shows offscreen. You see Batman(Kevin Conroy), The Batman from the the 2004 show, Batman Beyond, Adam West Batman, etc. So technically they kind of have. As well as featuring the various Batmen in other Batman animated shows, such Adam West, Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill. They came back to voice different characters in orher shows. I know it's not exactly the same as the comics having them directly interact, but it feels like it carries on the same spirit.
Their multiverse was deleted but other multiverses still exist. If you wanna subscribe to the notion of an omniverse which is a multiverse of multiverses
I'm pretty sure the DC Omniverse describes it as "the Comic Multiverse is over here, the Live Action Multiverse is over there, and the Animated Multiverse is all the way over there."
It is the finale of all DCAU series of 1990’s to late 2000’s. Kevin Conroy(Batman: TAS) have passed away but his legacy will carry on, the cast of Teen Titans(2003) are still continuing the crappy GO version but Hihi Puffy Amiyumi are not fit that anymore but still in current Japan media, and etc… The DCAU’s series of 2010’s to today are taking the spot to carry on for the next generation. Time is passing on but the legacy and memories will carry on.
I think of it more as my dad Rogelio once said, "Think of the multiverse as a body, now, imagine an entire world of bodies, humans basically. Each person has kids with another, which goes as much as it does here. Each of those persons carry on a massive amount of timlines within their own realities that make up their body. That is why say, Godzilla never meets Mickey Mouse, they are in multiple different bodies. Sometimes they encounter each other, but only brielfy, and it is forgotten. Basically, thinking that there is an entire planet of realities, Imagine their galaxy, their own universe, what lies beyond that? That's why Roger, thinking about reality, no one does it...because it can make them go crazy!" My pops is a cool dude.
I loved the Tomorrow Verse because the quiet bits make the action more impactful. I think that's the key behind all good action stories; a balance of character and action. Empty spectacle is why the current MCU is failing; after Endgame people just saw empty spectacle or dense character pieces so both audiences tuned out. Same for all failing franchises. People want people to do cool things, not action figures or complicated BS without clear investment. The problem is that balance requires planning, a unified vision, and a deep understanding of the source material if adaptation is the goal
This trilogy should've felt like an event. Something to hype people up. Featuring characters from their popular animated shows/movies as part of the main cast. Honestly, would've made more sense to release it in theatres. It could've gone out with a bang, but it felt more like a fizzle.
P.S. - I also appreciated tomorrow's verse for the EXACT same reason. Not that they're my top favorites, but you managed to express precisely what made them enjoyable for me. I'll be deeply saddened if we never see any versions of these again. It was almost like watching BTAS being dismantled on screen, and it truly tugged at my heartstrings. Then it hit me that they're "annihilating" all of them. While I understand they may not generate massive profits, they could view it as a steady source of smaller, consistent revenue. There are many of us who would always tune in, no matter what. I comprehend that the superhero genre has grown wearisome for some, leading to the emergence of grittier, more satirical content like "The Boys" and "Peacemaker" - which, don't get me wrong, I love watching them for different reasons. However, I still hold a special place in my heart for witnessing my beloved classic superheroes in their traditional roles. Occasionally, I long for content where the heroes emerge victorious, saving people and planets. Sadly, it appears that the current trend is to phase out and substitute them with characters like "Homelander" and "Billy Butcher." Why can't we reside in a world where both styles coexist in harmony? The narrative they presented implies that traditional superheroes are “dead” and the storyline I'm alluding to is widely recognized. Observing this, it seems they're advocating for a total elimination of the classic heroes to make way for a "Watchmen-esque" replacement, albeit grittier and more satirical. I understand the need for this evolution, but it's becoming a cliché trend in itself, and there's a certain irony in that which the creators may not have realized yet.
One thing I like to think about is that John Constantine was talking to a Spectre that was more akin to the Presence in his own nature at the time than Corrigan's. He offers Constantine salvation with his step of faith into the real oblivion.
Don't worry about it. From a mathematical point of view, it's nonsense. You can't destroy an infinite number of something. No matter how much you erased, you'd still have an infinite number of it, meaning that not only do all those universes still exist, an infinite number of iterations of them still exist. The writers are thinking in terms of their finite experiences but that's inapplicable since by definition the infinite isn't finite. Besides, if Owlman is to be believed, succeeding in destroying the multiverse would simultaneously spawn another multiverse in which you failed.
Well the movie itself revealed this isn't a "true" multiverse, It's one Universe whose fabric is being stretched into numerous variations of itself. A universe shattered by Constantine...And it can't sustain it. So if it can't sustain it, then this "Multiverse" isn't truly infinite, the crisis is just the universes immune response trying to collapse it back down and stop what is essentially runaway cancer on a universal scale. The universe is also only branching via "Major" decision points, what constitutes these major points isn't known. But I think 1,000 anti-monitors can probably mop up however many hundreds of thousands of "shards" of this universe there are if only one of them was a threat to the whole. Also means none of the other properties are affected by this, just the shattered DCAMU/Tomorrowverse.
@@doltsbane that wouldn’t be a fail they weren’t trying to destroy all universes just the ones without Darkside. And if our man is to be believed, all they would have to do is destroy the Earth prime for that Multiverse and everything else would collapse so there’s still way to destroy it even though it’s an infinite number the infinite number has a core since they’re all connected
Well, there is such a thing as smaller and larger infinities, like 'all prime numbers' versus 'all numbers'. Both are infinite, but one can be contained in another. Likewise, it would be possible to remove as many unique numbers as you'd like from an otherwise infinite set, and it'd still be infinite, and those numbers would still be truly gone.
Not really. There are "infinite" universes because they constantly split themselves. This means that they aren't really infinite universes, but a growing number of universes that will become infinite in infinite timespan. every binary choice in every universe creates 2 more universes. That's a lot of universes. Doubling with every smallest fraction of time. Numbers so exponentially big that they might as well be infinities. But they still aren't. There are bigger numbers. That means that there are n^2 universes where n goes to infinity with every moment You just need to have n^3 antimonitors to spawn for every choice and destroy universes to destroy "infinite" universes. And antimonitors shouldn't be a choice in that case, but a certainty
I felt like everything the heroes did was useless. The inevitable tragedy they couldn't stop. I know they tried to end in hope, but still. Left me depressed. Appreciated the video
I like bittersweet, so long as the there is a good amount of sweet to balance out the bitter, like saving the world but at the cost of a friend who sacrificed themselves. This ending is the equivalent of “your house burned down, your car is destroyed, your girlfriend broke up with you and wants nothing to do with you….but hey you won three dollars at the lottery”
Just because you fail sometimes doesn't mean you shouldn't try anyway. The heroes could not stop their reality ending but the fact that they tried their hardest to save as many as possible still means something.
To be honest, having a DC universe with strict rules PREVENTING multiversal shenanigans would be kinda cool. No possibility of dead characters coming back, no otherworldly ret-cons ever occurring, and maybe even an ending that waves to the audience and permanently says goodbye, wrapping up story arcs and never looking back. I don't know about you but I've just never seen the multiverse used in a good way in DC. It all feels like member-berries or excuses to retcon stuff the writers didn't know what to do with. If you want to write new or separate takes on classic characters, that can be really cool! But they don't have to keep meeting up with their previous counterparts.
@@whateverwhatever4476Bruh absolutely not, N52 made the same mistakes. Multiversalcrossovers, chock-full of retcons, all that + weirdly edgy and misogynistic stories
The reason retcons and excuses are made is quite simple. Some people don’t want to write a superhero story, they want to write THE superhero story with the same hero they like and might have grew up with. What’s more enticing to a writer? Write a story with a different version of Batman or Write a story with the main version of Batman?
I hear you, but since the plan was to basically break things down to 1 universe, then why not go out with a bang? Why not finally feature popular characters from their previous work interacting? This is the Crisis on Infinite Earth's story. It should feel like an epic event, not just another movie in the Tomorrowverse. It especially feels like a wasted opportunity because this is Levin Conroy's last performance as Batman. They will never get that chance again. It feels like a waste.
Excellent. These movies/media have also been with me for... decades now... I hope they find a way to keep telling these stories. And damn... to hear Conroy's voice again...
"Is it worth paying pennies to make pennies?" That depends on if the venture is maintaining or hopefully growing the fandom. Comics are also considered cheap, "throw-a-way" media that might make you money but most of the time you'll just get by. There's value in that for experimental work, testing the waters to see what can work and keep your most involved fans stimulated while bigger things are cooking for the mainstream. So I hope these animated movies will continue as they can do more than make pennies.
I just hope that the question not going through the portal doesn't mean that he's not appearing in the new continuity. It definetly does for Constantine, as he doesn't exist in any of the other worlds in that multiverse, as he comes from *before* it existed.
What do you say to confort someone whose entire civilization is on the brink of death and is doing everything in their power preserve them? What do you say to someone who's doing all that plus fighting a new rising civilization, where only one can win? What do you say to someone who's fighting a rising civilization that is doing nothing more than expanding to feed it's young meanwhile your once glorious people dwindle from opulance and excess? What do you say to those tasked with saving their fallen empire and are failing?
Dude fr. I didn't even know this movie came put until I saw a video review it. This should've felt like an event. Something to really get hyped up about, but instead it felt like another movie in the Tomorrowverse. Imagine if they had mixed different characters from other animated movies/shows. The different styles and tones. It would've been epic.
Dc: there are 20 different continuities A writer: I'll make these all into one singular continuity! Here, have this version of events that brings everyone together then erases all multiverses to make a single universe. Dc: there are now 21 continuities Writer: ...shit wait-
YOU HEARD IT! CALL FOR "WILL IT CANON?!" Implicitly Pretentious watches Watchtower Database! Does Watchtower Database watch Implicitly Pretentious? Will that channel respond? Taking all bets!
I sure do hope this in a ways reset the Animated Universe and they start a bit of a more follow-able multiverse, hopefully being able to combine the new James Gunn Verse as well as the new DCAU including the new MAWS
You could say that crisis, because it happens everywhere all at once, that alot of those realities come up with a similar solution thus leading to the plans the supers have to fix everything not succeeding, it just pushed the on coming crisis back to a future point, and when that bubble pops it's going to hurt real bad.
Iirc, the DVD sleeves were meant to spell out DC Universe if you put them next to each other. They never even got to the point you could have enough to do that.
I really hope for the next story arc of the DCAMU in the Monoverse they bring back the old artstyle and focus on characters like Damian and Raven again.
Even Cartoon Network's cartoons had crossovers, multiversal in a way at the end of their run times. Dragon Ball has Dragon Ball Heroes "multiverse"/Anime/Game... even if quality of them may be low, it's a circle of life.
The original Crisis on Infinite Earths was made to solve the problem of the Multiverse and put everything into one shared continuity. It worked to but it ended up causing its fair share of problems that Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis would attempt to solve.
Restore the Multiverse in full. Bring every planet back to life. We need alternate universes for stories we want to see. Anything is possible with comic characters. DC tried to create a monoverse once before, and it didn't work.
I think DC was just trying to clear the board for James Gunn's DCU since the animated side will be canon to the live action shows/movies like Star Wars.
If they decide to just hold off on making another animated universe for a while and just adapt some stand alone stuff for the foreseeable future, I think I'd prefer that. I love seeing them play around with different animation styles, allowing different actors take a shot at the rolls and all that. Maybe after some time they can decide "Oh that style worked really well in that one movie, NOW we're ready again for another extended universe, let's use that."
i appreciate what you said about quiet moments in these movies. I just wish the animation wasn't so stiff. especially batgirl was hard to look at for me.
I like how after the original crisis there was an earth 2 Superman, superboy (prime) and Alexander Luthor outside of the main universe. I also liked the Deadman/Supergirl Christmas story. I’m hoping this interpretation still leaves room for those comic plot points to be possible.
1:21 H-Hold on, hold up I A! After like 10yrs since the show ended we get 1 cameo. Nah nah nah Dc knows we were waiting for this, come new movies or a series with the Green Lantern team searching for I A
I wouldn't mind a video about "Batman: Mystery of The Batwoman"; it debuted as kind-of an anachronism, since it was after Batman Beyond had ended and Justice League had a 2nd season roll out.
The way I see it in my headcanon is that the crisis multiverse is seperate to other dc stories. Yknow how a lot of the time, the multiverse is shown as a tree with branches that make branches and branches on those branches etc, I see this as one of those main branches just being chopped off, severing a bunch of those little ones. So they did destroy a multiverse, just not all of them.
The idea I choose to accept is that all those other earths, teen titans, JLU, all exist in a separate multiverse where darksied never existed. The idea that even when the most evil of evil doesn't exist, people are still, heroes. That it was not through a series of events due to a very evil looking baby existing that lead to these heroes existing. That's just me though.
I’m curious why they decided to adapt Crisis because the intent of the comics was to eliminate the confusion of multiple versions of characters and to centralize the DC universe. But this adaptation didn’t really fulfill that purpose because as you said there are still other unconnected DC animated series out there
Whats interesting is. Shows like batman the animated series. Superman the animated series, JLU, super friends, teen ttins and many others exist ONLY because flash reset the universe in thr 2020 movie. Meaning all those shows despite coming out years earlier are AFTER justice league apocalypse war. But newer shows like harley quinn, my adventures with superman and batman caped crusader are all in the new universes created. Ik it should all be a prime universe. But its fun to think about.
6:47 Depends how you look at it? Like you could say the current DC Cartoons show take place BEFORE CoIE PT but I think your right away. Like the olds shows are erase but we still got new DC cartoon shows with their own universe anyway. Even then if the multiverse really means the multiverse then we should factor in the comicbook multiverse aswell no?
Ever since Marvels latest Secret Wars it seems DC cant stop copying Marvel when it comes to crisis events but that's funny because Marvel took a lot of notes from DC in the first place for their Multiverse ending event.
As much as I liked these movies, I did not like what they did to the DC animated universe. These movies effectively ended what is considered to be the best thing DC had in its arsenal. For now, it seems like Phantom Menace Syndrome is taking hold of the fans. But I really think we'll look back on this years later and realize that it was a mistake to just erase everything like this, especially when the only other thing you have is an extremely subpar DC Cinematic Universe. I don't know what they were thinking here. You don't do a big event like this unless you have a surefire alternative ready to go.
I just now finally watched part III. It was dope. My head hurts but it was dope. I don’t think it deserves such a shitty score. I’d give it a… 7/10. Maybe my score will change after a rewatch or two.
That ending just didn't feel even remotely earned. It was melancholy at best. . . missing the mark at worse. It just came off as a "hey, remember that thing?" fest and nothing more. And that idea just doesn't work. Especially when the "things" we are supposed to remember feel. . . unfinished. It's like. . . it's like saying that we are in a series finale when we are still in the middle of a story arc. It just doesn't work. What it was all for, what it all meant. . . that version of the universe was barely developed before they scrapped it, but they tried to retroactively scrap other universes we actually cared about in the process. Need I remind everyone that the Justice League wasn't even established until crisis part 1. This is not the stage you host "the ultimate ending" on. I cannot stress this enough. . . this idea. . . with that execution. . . just does not work. It was a rushed universe that tried to take everything else down with it. . . and that idea. . . it just doesn't work.
Four decades ago, I realized the whole premise of "Crisis" was horribly flawed, are rejected it from my personal head canon. Sure, you can "say" that you're destroying countless universes, or merging however many left into a singular universe, but that doesn't mean what you're saying is accurate. The concept of the multiverse is the diversity of paths not taken, and that means an infinite number of realities. If all realities but one could be eliminated, there would be no alternatives, no "what ifs." And that concept, that viewpoint, is the antithesis of a creator's greatest asset: imagination. Imagination is what comic books and super-heroes are all about. All these reductive events are doomed to failure, or at least, to being fleetingly victorious. Someone at DC needs to understand this. The sooner, the better.
I think trying to strike the DCAU destruction as not canon because "Darkseid is in it" is a little bit of copium. That's very clearly a continuity error. And disregarding the clear intent of the scene as a continuity error also kinda means disregarding the entire movie, since it's also based in the contiunity error that the DCAMU was not in a Multiverse. It was. It appeared in Teen Titans VS Teen Titans Go!
This could also be seen as an interpretation of our current world. Just like all the DC writers invented so many versions of so many different characters, so we did with all the inventions, the technologies, the commodities that we have today. Giving some of those up seems like a terrible thing, like letting whole universes disappear, but by franticly holding on to everything, we're progressing towards the end of everything (not the universe, just our species, but still). If we're actually going to save ourselves we have to give up some of those commodities, and sadly there won't be a magic moment when the end is near but a magic solution can fix everything. We have to prepare in advance, or it will soon be too late. What breaks my heart most is that there are two main blocks of people. The older ones that don't really care or don't want to accept that our world is coming to an end, and the younger ones, that have sadly accepted it as an inevitability, since all the power is in the hands of those that won't do anything about it. The end is coming and fewer and fewer people are fighting to prevent it...
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You guys have to make a vid on this
So it's my understanding that this multiverse is one without Darkseid and therefore cannot exist, there is a separate multiverse where the dcau, superfriends, still exist with a Darkseid am I correct?
Will It or Will It Not Canon?
Weirdly fitting that this was Kevin's final performance
Thank. GOD.
Is this officially his last appearance because I swear people have been saying this for years
He deserved this send off
@@colinftp3288from what it sounds yea. This and Kill the Justice League were his last big projects as Batman, which seems really bleak that we didn't get a classic Batman story as his last run as the dark knight
@@Subpar1O1Tbf, they didn't know he had cancer. The fact that we got this Crisis moment as an insanely beautiful finale to cap off his time as Batman is a miracle in itself.
"There's so many good stories where some brave hero has to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors cheer, and everyone lives happily ever after. But the hero never gets to see the ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith. Ain’t that a bitch.”
-Epsilon/Church
Dude, I literally wonder if my hero work was worth something
In one of the blob movies there's a soldier who pulls the pins on his grenades before he gets crushed by the blob, a couple shots later a spot on the blob glows a few times as the grenades explode doing absolutely nothing. To go into a situation you know you'll lose to try and save as many people as you can is what defines a hero to me, "a beacon of hope amidst the darkness", even if unsuccessful we've done all we can and we just have to hope it's enough to help everyone else
Such a goated quote from RVB
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@@CortezaDeAbedul Red Vs Blue
Honestly I’m glad we saw the DCAU it might have been destroyed but at least our last time seeing Kevin as Batman isn’t him getting shot in the head by Harley on a park bench
Thats not the DCAU it’s just a variation made for the sendoff
Cry batman is not invincible or indestructible,you can kill batman with any object 😂😂
@@dukeheavens9990it isn’t that he died, it’s the method of his death. Imagine if Superman just up and died eating a cake cause it has an ingredient in it that he is allergic to. Or Spider-Man is stabbed through the chest by a preschooler. It’s essentially the same thing in this case because for all three it’s an anti climactic death from something no one saw coming because they ordinarily deal with similar scenarios on the daily.
@@Sm0key_Ratesnot the point lol
@@Sm0key_Ratesyeah like it literally becomes a paradox if it is the real animated dcau. For example it’s told to us that the Multiversus was created when flash killed darkseid so every new universe after it doesn’t have a darkseid. Problem, the animated universe does have a darkseid but if it is the real version of it then it can’t have darkseid since it was only born after said darkseid was killed and that universe was split. It literally becomes a paradox
"I care Joker about Gotham about Justice and if it has to end at least I go out like this... being Batman"
-Kevin Conroy 1955-2022
You're incredibly bad at quoting
I'm actually surprised that they weren't under the same stipulations as the Arrowverse's crisis. They were only able to use all the toys if they put them back in the toybox when they were done. It really shows how low profile this was and DC's current perspective on previous projects.
Agreed, this should've felt like an epic event. This would've been the time to feature characters from their previous animated shows/movies. To take a risk. To go out with a bang.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp the arrowverse crisis with it's very limited cast choices and budget "felt" a lot more epic despite being a live action tv show....
@immapotato1 yeah, at least they had fun with it. I miss when DC knew had to have fun and still be serious at the same time. A proper balance.
I think the whole "Multiverse is a Cancer" Thing is meant to be isolated to this incident, the Multiverse shown in the Tomorrowverse isn't a natural one, but rather one born from Constantine shattering the old DCAMU by killing Darkseid.
It's not a "true" multiverse, it's just one universe that's being stretched, like a shirt being unraveled into individual threads? If that makes sense. Its the fabric of one reality being forced to sustain infinite variations of itself, but it cant. that was set up at the very beginning of the Tomorrowverse when it was revealed Constantine "wounded" the universe itself. Now we see the consequences of that wound in the universes immune response.
So yeah, this isn't a "crisis" for the wider, true multiverse or even other animated media, it's a isolated incident of one "multiverse" that was never meant to be collapsing on itself.
A great way to look at it.
this.
That makes no sense.
I'll take it.
Honestly, it just makes it feel lazy. If the whole point is to collapse the multiverse into one at the end, then why not feature popular characters from their previous animated movies/shows as part of the main cast. This is the time to do it. Go out with a bang, especially since we're not gonna see those worlds again. And it's even worse that they didn't since this is Kevin Conroy's last performance as Batman. They went the easy way. This whole thing should've hyped people up as part fo an event. I didn't even know this came out until I saw a video reviewing it.
I think it's a story about how all of these stories end. But our journeys with them still matter and our journeys with other newer versions of three characters will carry the spirit of what came before
Damn 😭😭😭😭
Exactly! I think the main message is how none of these universes last forever. Even if we have been getting Bruce Timm movies that "technically" take place in the DCAU, the era of the DCAU is still over, and it's never coming back.
You get it. It’s good to know that I’m not alone in this understanding. I’m glad we found each other in the Dark.
@@blackfox4138I mean, you’re right. I know you’re right. But I really don’t like that you said it out loud. And I hate you now. Because I have ONLY kept the last ounce of my sanity because I have just been telling myself “Batman didn’t go to Heaven. He just went to space. Batman goes to space all the time.😢😢😭😤😠”
@@kourtneyr.scruggs0988 Just like yesterday is gone and over those stories and universes are gone and over. But you and I will carry their lessons into tomorrow. .
Batman isn't gone, he lives in the lessons you learned from his adventures. And he lives on in the spirit he inspired in people who make those new stories.
The scene with the DCAU was a great scene but realistically it's not actually the DCAU. It has the same art style but is more of an emotional send-off than a canonical one. It's like the animated film Superman: Brainiac Attacks. It has the same art style and some of the same voice actors (I say some because that was definitely not Mark Hamill in this movie) but it isn't actually part of the DCAU.
It’s like the smallville cameo crisis. He might look like Smallville Clark but he’s not really Smallville Clark.
like apocrypha/memory beta
It wouldn’t make any sense because Batman Beyond and The Zeta Project exists so that would mean, if it were actually canon, the DCAU had some sort of follow up story that eventually retcons these 3 movies and restores the timeline back to normal so BB and TZP can exist.
Plus even if it WAS officially that universe, all it’s gonna take is a good pitch from a writer and suddenly it’ll be back. As long as there’s a good story to tell (or money to be made) nothing is ever truly dead.
@@awesomebacon1075I mean it’s not like DC doesn’t have a ton of Crisis events that literally involve characters from future centuries just suddenly not existing anymore despite previously being established. Like Zero Hour or Doomsday
“If it has to end, at least I go out like this BEING BATMAN” it’s so fitting that these will be the last words we ever hear KC as Batman. You were truly one of a kind Mr. Conroy 🦇
When He says 1 life to save untold billions? I call that a win I go straight to this exchange between Megatron and Optimus.
Megatron: Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?
Optimus Prime: You'll never stop at one!
Dang, that's powerful
The only trouble with these characters and their multiple reboots is that there is no gravity to their actions. No ENDING. All good stories have a beginning, middle and end. Also, I think we just didn’t have enough time with these versions of the heroes to become invested in them. You can’t hurry love; you just have to wait.
Art imitates life, reboots are just different generations of the class of hero. Kamen Rider and Sentai have all these generations and variations of their series with varying degrees of continuity between them, each year a series following a new series.
Crisis on Infinite Earths is that send off Endgame where it seeks to provide closure to several older stories and generations while passing the torch to the next generation of Supermen, Batmen, and Wonder Women.
@@otterfire4712Youre just making shit up, mate. These Movies were nothing but lazzy cashgrabs. The Animation is mediocre at best and the Story is infantile Horseshit.
You will be missed Kevin Conroy! 🫡
CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS was a comic book event *about DC comics in the 1980s* and all the confusing histories of the characters crunhing into one continutity. Making animated movies about this as if the basic idea is compelling on its own is...odd.
Yeah, the comic event worked because they had to merge the continuity. The other earth's interacted with each other and in some cases, comics that were canon were retroactively turned into an alt history. No one knew what was and wasn't canon.
This movie didn't have a history of these universes interacting. There was no confusing history. That's why they leaned heavily on the nostalgia of older animated projects.
Not to mention that the universe that the Crisis on Infinite Earths was divided back into a multiverse through various other crises and reboots and what not.
@@WiGgYof09you know what's interesting? There's a still image from an episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold where that Batman teams up woth other Batmen from different animated shows offscreen. You see Batman(Kevin Conroy), The Batman from the the 2004 show, Batman Beyond, Adam West Batman, etc. So technically they kind of have. As well as featuring the various Batmen in other Batman animated shows, such Adam West, Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill. They came back to voice different characters in orher shows. I know it's not exactly the same as the comics having them directly interact, but it feels like it carries on the same spirit.
Their multiverse was deleted but other multiverses still exist. If you wanna subscribe to the notion of an omniverse which is a multiverse of multiverses
I think DC is actually omniverse just like marvel
I'm pretty sure the DC Omniverse describes it as "the Comic Multiverse is over here, the Live Action Multiverse is over there, and the Animated Multiverse is all the way over there."
I just think this is it's own thing entirely,I don't think everything needs to share a universe or a multiverse or a whatever-verse.
Yeah, people are too stuck on the idea of 1 Multiverse per Continuity. DC has never really been like that.
I'll take that too.
Clark being the first to enter the new earth and Bruce being the last is very interesting.
“Atleast I go out like this, being Batman!” Thank you Kevin
It is the finale of all DCAU series of 1990’s to late 2000’s. Kevin Conroy(Batman: TAS) have passed away but his legacy will carry on, the cast of Teen Titans(2003) are still continuing the crappy GO version but Hihi Puffy Amiyumi are not fit that anymore but still in current Japan media, and etc…
The DCAU’s series of 2010’s to today are taking the spot to carry on for the next generation. Time is passing on but the legacy and memories will carry on.
I just wanted to let you guys known that I literally LOVE all of your video analysis. Insightful , comical and informative.
Thank you for all of them.
I think of it more as my dad Rogelio once said,
"Think of the multiverse as a body, now, imagine an entire world of bodies, humans basically. Each person has kids with another, which goes as much as it does here. Each of those persons carry on a massive amount of timlines within their own realities that make up their body. That is why say, Godzilla never meets Mickey Mouse, they are in multiple different bodies. Sometimes they encounter each other, but only brielfy, and it is forgotten. Basically, thinking that there is an entire planet of realities, Imagine their galaxy, their own universe, what lies beyond that? That's why Roger, thinking about reality, no one does it...because it can make them go crazy!"
My pops is a cool dude.
I loved the Tomorrow Verse because the quiet bits make the action more impactful. I think that's the key behind all good action stories; a balance of character and action. Empty spectacle is why the current MCU is failing; after Endgame people just saw empty spectacle or dense character pieces so both audiences tuned out. Same for all failing franchises. People want people to do cool things, not action figures or complicated BS without clear investment. The problem is that balance requires planning, a unified vision, and a deep understanding of the source material if adaptation is the goal
This trilogy should've felt like an event. Something to hype people up. Featuring characters from their popular animated shows/movies as part of the main cast. Honestly, would've made more sense to release it in theatres. It could've gone out with a bang, but it felt more like a fizzle.
4 videos in 7 days i love you so much implicitly pretentious
Can't wait for a "Will it Canon" either! 🤔🤣
"Multiverse is a cancer" you got that right
Nah
P.S. - I also appreciated tomorrow's verse for the EXACT same reason. Not that they're my top favorites, but you managed to express precisely what made them enjoyable for me. I'll be deeply saddened if we never see any versions of these again. It was almost like watching BTAS being dismantled on screen, and it truly tugged at my heartstrings. Then it hit me that they're "annihilating" all of them. While I understand they may not generate massive profits, they could view it as a steady source of smaller, consistent revenue. There are many of us who would always tune in, no matter what.
I comprehend that the superhero genre has grown wearisome for some, leading to the emergence of grittier, more satirical content like "The Boys" and "Peacemaker" - which, don't get me wrong, I love watching them for different reasons. However, I still hold a special place in my heart for witnessing my beloved classic superheroes in their traditional roles. Occasionally, I long for content where the heroes emerge victorious, saving people and planets. Sadly, it appears that the current trend is to phase out and substitute them with characters like "Homelander" and "Billy Butcher." Why can't we reside in a world where both styles coexist in harmony? The narrative they presented implies that traditional superheroes are “dead” and the storyline I'm alluding to is widely recognized. Observing this, it seems they're advocating for a total elimination of the classic heroes to make way for a "Watchmen-esque" replacement, albeit grittier and more satirical. I understand the need for this evolution, but it's becoming a cliché trend in itself, and there's a certain irony in that which the creators may not have realized yet.
These videos always make me feel something, never stop
One thing I like to think about is that John Constantine was talking to a Spectre that was more akin to the Presence in his own nature at the time than Corrigan's. He offers Constantine salvation with his step of faith into the real oblivion.
I like how the multiverse wasn't supposed to exist and that it's causing its destruction.
Don't worry about it. From a mathematical point of view, it's nonsense. You can't destroy an infinite number of something. No matter how much you erased, you'd still have an infinite number of it, meaning that not only do all those universes still exist, an infinite number of iterations of them still exist. The writers are thinking in terms of their finite experiences but that's inapplicable since by definition the infinite isn't finite. Besides, if Owlman is to be believed, succeeding in destroying the multiverse would simultaneously spawn another multiverse in which you failed.
Well the movie itself revealed this isn't a "true" multiverse, It's one Universe whose fabric is being stretched into numerous variations of itself. A universe shattered by Constantine...And it can't sustain it.
So if it can't sustain it, then this "Multiverse" isn't truly infinite, the crisis is just the universes immune response trying to collapse it back down and stop what is essentially runaway cancer on a universal scale.
The universe is also only branching via "Major" decision points, what constitutes these major points isn't known. But I think 1,000 anti-monitors can probably mop up however many hundreds of thousands of "shards" of this universe there are if only one of them was a threat to the whole.
Also means none of the other properties are affected by this, just the shattered DCAMU/Tomorrowverse.
@@doltsbane that wouldn’t be a fail they weren’t trying to destroy all universes just the ones without Darkside. And if our man is to be believed, all they would have to do is destroy the Earth prime for that Multiverse and everything else would collapse so there’s still way to destroy it even though it’s an infinite number the infinite number has a core since they’re all connected
Well, there is such a thing as smaller and larger infinities, like 'all prime numbers' versus 'all numbers'. Both are infinite, but one can be contained in another. Likewise, it would be possible to remove as many unique numbers as you'd like from an otherwise infinite set, and it'd still be infinite, and those numbers would still be truly gone.
Not really. There are "infinite" universes because they constantly split themselves. This means that they aren't really infinite universes, but a growing number of universes that will become infinite in infinite timespan.
every binary choice in every universe creates 2 more universes. That's a lot of universes. Doubling with every smallest fraction of time. Numbers so exponentially big that they might as well be infinities. But they still aren't. There are bigger numbers.
That means that there are n^2 universes where n goes to infinity with every moment
You just need to have n^3 antimonitors to spawn for every choice and destroy universes to destroy "infinite" universes. And antimonitors shouldn't be a choice in that case, but a certainty
Draw a short line with a pencil. Erase it normally. Mathematically, you've just erased an infinite number of points.
I do not know why, I can't explain it. But I must cry.
This must be grief.
I felt like everything the heroes did was useless. The inevitable tragedy they couldn't stop. I know they tried to end in hope, but still. Left me depressed. Appreciated the video
Yep, it’s a depressing and downer ending. Just what we need from superhero movies and shows, as if there wasn’t enough of that already
@@justinbowers2749Eh, it's meant to be more bittersweet tbf, at least the intention.
@@justinbowers2749guess you don't like bittersweet
I like bittersweet, so long as the there is a good amount of sweet to balance out the bitter, like saving the world but at the cost of a friend who sacrificed themselves. This ending is the equivalent of “your house burned down, your car is destroyed, your girlfriend broke up with you and wants nothing to do with you….but hey you won three dollars at the lottery”
Just because you fail sometimes doesn't mean you shouldn't try anyway. The heroes could not stop their reality ending but the fact that they tried their hardest to save as many as possible still means something.
To be honest, having a DC universe with strict rules PREVENTING multiversal shenanigans would be kinda cool. No possibility of dead characters coming back, no otherworldly ret-cons ever occurring, and maybe even an ending that waves to the audience and permanently says goodbye, wrapping up story arcs and never looking back. I don't know about you but I've just never seen the multiverse used in a good way in DC. It all feels like member-berries or excuses to retcon stuff the writers didn't know what to do with. If you want to write new or separate takes on classic characters, that can be really cool! But they don't have to keep meeting up with their previous counterparts.
That was new 52 for awhile
@@whateverwhatever4476 Really? Admittedly, I don't know much about New 52 other than it was a bit...grim...
@@whateverwhatever4476Bruh absolutely not, N52 made the same mistakes. Multiversalcrossovers, chock-full of retcons, all that + weirdly edgy and misogynistic stories
The reason retcons and excuses are made is quite simple. Some people don’t want to write a superhero story, they want to write THE superhero story with the same hero they like and might have grew up with.
What’s more enticing to a writer?
Write a story with a different version of Batman or Write a story with the main version of Batman?
I hear you, but since the plan was to basically break things down to 1 universe, then why not go out with a bang? Why not finally feature popular characters from their previous work interacting? This is the Crisis on Infinite Earth's story. It should feel like an epic event, not just another movie in the Tomorrowverse. It especially feels like a wasted opportunity because this is Levin Conroy's last performance as Batman. They will never get that chance again. It feels like a waste.
Excellent. These movies/media have also been with me for... decades now... I hope they find a way to keep telling these stories. And damn... to hear Conroy's voice again...
“Every beginning is an end. And every end is a beginning”
I love and envy the skills of this essayist. His analysis and story weaving through words and visuals are wonderful.
wait aya was actually back!?
Yeap
"Is it worth paying pennies to make pennies?"
That depends on if the venture is maintaining or hopefully growing the fandom. Comics are also considered cheap, "throw-a-way" media that might make you money but most of the time you'll just get by. There's value in that for experimental work, testing the waters to see what can work and keep your most involved fans stimulated while bigger things are cooking for the mainstream. So I hope these animated movies will continue as they can do more than make pennies.
Literally just finished watching the movie!
yo this thumbnail is so good - like, it's unreal
God I love this channel
I just hope that the question not going through the portal doesn't mean that he's not appearing in the new continuity. It definetly does for Constantine, as he doesn't exist in any of the other worlds in that multiverse, as he comes from *before* it existed.
What do you say to confort someone whose entire civilization is on the brink of death and is doing everything in their power preserve them?
What do you say to someone who's doing all that plus fighting a new rising civilization, where only one can win?
What do you say to someone who's fighting a rising civilization that is doing nothing more than expanding to feed it's young meanwhile your once glorious people dwindle from opulance and excess?
What do you say to those tasked with saving their fallen empire and are failing?
Even though this was a very respectful and good way to send off Kevin Conroy, this is still not a good movie and I feel like we all know that😭
Dude fr. I didn't even know this movie came put until I saw a video review it. This should've felt like an event. Something to really get hyped up about, but instead it felt like another movie in the Tomorrowverse. Imagine if they had mixed different characters from other animated movies/shows. The different styles and tones. It would've been epic.
You're not the only one, I've been following since unlimited and went back over btas and stas and the rest
IMO had a terrible time with this movie but I’m glad you can always bring a certain beauty to something I look at with contempt
Great video aside, this man always has impeccable music taste
4 minutes in and im just realizing jensen ackles voices batman in this series!!! life fulfilled
Dc: there are 20 different continuities
A writer: I'll make these all into one singular continuity! Here, have this version of events that brings everyone together then erases all multiverses to make a single universe.
Dc: there are now 21 continuities
Writer: ...shit wait-
You're by far my favorite UA-camr to watch while gaming
But very good. This corrected a lot with what they were doing with DC for me. I’m excited for what’s next
YOU HEARD IT! CALL FOR "WILL IT CANON?!" Implicitly Pretentious watches Watchtower Database! Does Watchtower Database watch Implicitly Pretentious? Will that channel respond? Taking all bets!
What about the question he chose to go out his own way.
Can't believe he was voiced by David "Yesss~" Kaye
@@michaelrhodes3285 he’s just going to be a erased from existence until infinite crisis, which is probably going to reset everything again
@@Sm0key_Rates I think there is still one in the new universe because it has a WW despite the Tomorrowverse's sacrificing herself.
I think him, Constantine and spectre might form a trinity of sin
I sure do hope this in a ways reset the Animated Universe and they start a bit of a more follow-able multiverse, hopefully being able to combine the new James Gunn Verse as well as the new DCAU including the new MAWS
The crisis is supposed to prove that the heroes don't always win
Wow it's almost like an apocalyptic event story is depressing and sad
You could say that crisis, because it happens everywhere all at once, that alot of those realities come up with a similar solution thus leading to the plans the supers have to fix everything not succeeding, it just pushed the on coming crisis back to a future point, and when that bubble pops it's going to hurt real bad.
This is truly sad.
The Tomorrowverse confuses me. Was it designed to be short-lived?
No, but it’s concise. I like that.
The real answer is it probably wasn't selling well enough to keep existing long term. But at least it was cohesive enough
Iirc, the DVD sleeves were meant to spell out DC Universe if you put them next to each other. They never even got to the point you could have enough to do that.
In the behind the scenes they say they knew how many movies they were getting and mapped out character and concept introductions ahead of time
Anti monitor is supposed to look like the evil counterpart of the monitor
i just hope constantine give the more attention that he deserved, and we got shown a lot more of his dialogue with the specter.
I'm just glad where done with all the Multiverse concepts. It was beginning to become too confusing to keep track of.
Glad to hear i'm not the only fan of the Tomorrowverse. Heres hoping we get a push of animated DC with Gunn in charge
I really hope for the next story arc of the DCAMU in the Monoverse they bring back the old artstyle and focus on characters like Damian and Raven again.
Even Cartoon Network's cartoons had crossovers, multiversal in a way at the end of their run times. Dragon Ball has Dragon Ball Heroes "multiverse"/Anime/Game... even if quality of them may be low, it's a circle of life.
The original Crisis on Infinite Earths was made to solve the problem of the Multiverse and put everything into one shared continuity. It worked to but it ended up causing its fair share of problems that Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis would attempt to solve.
Restore the Multiverse in full. Bring every planet back to life. We need alternate universes for stories we want to see. Anything is possible with comic characters. DC tried to create a monoverse once before, and it didn't work.
After seeing Razer and Aya back together we need some video analysis’ on “Green Lantern the animated series “
They fixed joker’s voice in later version with mark hamil actually voicing him
I think DC was just trying to clear the board for James Gunn's DCU since the animated side will be canon to the live action shows/movies like Star Wars.
SAD!? That's an understatement my heart is broken Everytime we get a reboot. Now it's time for this monoverse and to do it all over 😅😂😭
If they decide to just hold off on making another animated universe for a while and just adapt some stand alone stuff for the foreseeable future, I think I'd prefer that. I love seeing them play around with different animation styles, allowing different actors take a shot at the rolls and all that. Maybe after some time they can decide "Oh that style worked really well in that one movie, NOW we're ready again for another extended universe, let's use that."
Btw the mystery song from the description is Sum 41 - Pieces.
My favorite song from that band 😥
I literally just watched this move like 6 hours ago. Today's a good day
i appreciate what you said about quiet moments in these movies. I just wish the animation wasn't so stiff. especially batgirl was hard to look at for me.
I just feel like this was an amazing conclusion that the series it is wrapping up didn’t really earn
I like how after the original crisis there was an earth 2 Superman, superboy (prime) and Alexander Luthor outside of the main universe. I also liked the Deadman/Supergirl Christmas story. I’m hoping this interpretation still leaves room for those comic plot points to be possible.
1:21 H-Hold on, hold up I A! After like 10yrs since the show ended we get 1 cameo.
Nah nah nah Dc knows we were waiting for this, come new movies or a series with the Green Lantern team searching for I A
Yeah if only we actually grew to love these versions of the characters.
I wouldn't mind a video about "Batman: Mystery of The Batwoman"; it debuted as kind-of an anachronism, since it was after Batman Beyond had ended and Justice League had a 2nd season roll out.
I love the hamster that bites the medal.
Kinda sad that we see every dc animated show and movie get erased from the early 2000s JLU to the original teen titans show
The way I see it in my headcanon is that the crisis multiverse is seperate to other dc stories. Yknow how a lot of the time, the multiverse is shown as a tree with branches that make branches and branches on those branches etc, I see this as one of those main branches just being chopped off, severing a bunch of those little ones. So they did destroy a multiverse, just not all of them.
The idea I choose to accept is that all those other earths, teen titans, JLU, all exist in a separate multiverse where darksied never existed.
The idea that even when the most evil of evil doesn't exist, people are still, heroes. That it was not through a series of events due to a very evil looking baby existing that lead to these heroes existing.
That's just me though.
I’m curious why they decided to adapt Crisis because the intent of the comics was to eliminate the confusion of multiple versions of characters and to centralize the DC universe. But this adaptation didn’t really fulfill that purpose because as you said there are still other unconnected DC animated series out there
So... no one's going to acknowledge the billions of people they left on Earth?
Whats interesting is. Shows like batman the animated series. Superman the animated series, JLU, super friends, teen ttins and many others exist ONLY because flash reset the universe in thr 2020 movie. Meaning all those shows despite coming out years earlier are AFTER justice league apocalypse war. But newer shows like harley quinn, my adventures with superman and batman caped crusader are all in the new universes created. Ik it should all be a prime universe. But its fun to think about.
6:47 Depends how you look at it? Like you could say the current DC Cartoons show take place BEFORE CoIE PT but I think your right away. Like the olds shows are erase but we still got new DC cartoon shows with their own universe anyway. Even then if the multiverse really means the multiverse then we should factor in the comicbook multiverse aswell no?
If universes without Darkseid are doomed to collapse, then what does that mean for the Gods And Monsters movie?
SUPER NICE
Terrific review
Ever since Marvels latest Secret Wars it seems DC cant stop copying Marvel when it comes to crisis events but that's funny because Marvel took a lot of notes from DC in the first place for their Multiverse ending event.
As much as I liked these movies, I did not like what they did to the DC animated universe. These movies effectively ended what is considered to be the best thing DC had in its arsenal. For now, it seems like Phantom Menace Syndrome is taking hold of the fans. But I really think we'll look back on this years later and realize that it was a mistake to just erase everything like this, especially when the only other thing you have is an extremely subpar DC Cinematic Universe. I don't know what they were thinking here. You don't do a big event like this unless you have a surefire alternative ready to go.
I just now finally watched part III. It was dope. My head hurts but it was dope. I don’t think it deserves such a shitty score. I’d give it a… 7/10. Maybe my score will change after a rewatch or two.
So the plot of these three movies was basically that Klaus was messing with the Conduit again.
Even they are sick of the multiverse
That ending just didn't feel even remotely earned. It was melancholy at best. . . missing the mark at worse. It just came off as a "hey, remember that thing?" fest and nothing more. And that idea just doesn't work. Especially when the "things" we are supposed to remember feel. . . unfinished.
It's like. . . it's like saying that we are in a series finale when we are still in the middle of a story arc. It just doesn't work. What it was all for, what it all meant. . . that version of the universe was barely developed before they scrapped it, but they tried to retroactively scrap other universes we actually cared about in the process. Need I remind everyone that the Justice League wasn't even established until crisis part 1. This is not the stage you host "the ultimate ending" on.
I cannot stress this enough. . . this idea. . . with that execution. . . just does not work. It was a rushed universe that tried to take everything else down with it. . . and that idea. . . it just doesn't work.
Four decades ago, I realized the whole premise of "Crisis" was horribly flawed, are rejected it from my personal head canon. Sure, you can "say" that you're destroying countless universes, or merging however many left into a singular universe, but that doesn't mean what you're saying is accurate. The concept of the multiverse is the diversity of paths not taken, and that means an infinite number of realities. If all realities but one could be eliminated, there would be no alternatives, no "what ifs." And that concept, that viewpoint, is the antithesis of a creator's greatest asset: imagination. Imagination is what comic books and super-heroes are all about. All these reductive events are doomed to failure, or at least, to being fleetingly victorious. Someone at DC needs to understand this. The sooner, the better.
I think trying to strike the DCAU destruction as not canon because "Darkseid is in it" is a little bit of copium.
That's very clearly a continuity error. And disregarding the clear intent of the scene as a continuity error also kinda means disregarding the entire movie, since it's also based in the contiunity error that the DCAMU was not in a Multiverse. It was. It appeared in Teen Titans VS Teen Titans Go!
This could also be seen as an interpretation of our current world. Just like all the DC writers invented so many versions of so many different characters, so we did with all the inventions, the technologies, the commodities that we have today. Giving some of those up seems like a terrible thing, like letting whole universes disappear, but by franticly holding on to everything, we're progressing towards the end of everything (not the universe, just our species, but still). If we're actually going to save ourselves we have to give up some of those commodities, and sadly there won't be a magic moment when the end is near but a magic solution can fix everything. We have to prepare in advance, or it will soon be too late.
What breaks my heart most is that there are two main blocks of people. The older ones that don't really care or don't want to accept that our world is coming to an end, and the younger ones, that have sadly accepted it as an inevitability, since all the power is in the hands of those that won't do anything about it. The end is coming and fewer and fewer people are fighting to prevent it...