#13: The QUR'AN is written in the WRONG ARABIC!
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- In this episode Al Fadi and Jay examine the Arabic script which we find in the Qur'an against the language of the 7th century Mecca/Medina area, better known as the Hijaz.
What they have found is that the Arabic of the Qur'an uses quite a different dialectal script than the Arabic script used in the central part of Arabic where the Hijaz is located.
According to research done by Al Jallad, an Arabic scholar formally from Leiden University, and now teaching at Ohio State University, along with Dr Mark Durie, we now know that there were 4 Arabic grammatical borrowings used in today's Qur'an which are all from the north, around what is today Jordan, and known as Nabataean Aramaic.
This northern dialect of Arabic used i’rab, or ‘Unstressed inflectional short final Vowels’, marked with Diacritics. They were known as i’rab because they were characteristic of Bedouin dialects from that northern area.
In today's Qur'an one can find the Ta’ Marbuta, which employs the addition of two superimposed
dots above the letter 't', indicating that the letter 'ha’ is to be pronounced as 't'.
Today's Qru'an also use the Alif Maqsurah, or the word-final dot-less ‘ya’ (ى), which is placed at the end of the word, where an alif cannot occur, and thus goes back to an earlier ‘-ay’.
Current Qur'ans also use the Definite Article, the word ‘al’, used to introduce following coronal consonants.
But these four endings which are found in the Qur'an are all from the Arabic which was used in the 7th century almost 600 - 1,000 miles to the north.
The Arabic which was used in central Arabia, in the Hijaz, where Mecca and Medina are located, and where Muhammad would have lived is known as Sabaic Arabic, which a dialect of Arabic that originates in the south, in Yemen, and has been around since 600 BC.
Ironically, if the Qur'an had been written in the Sabaic Arabic script, it would have had all the vowels & dots which the present Qur'an uses; the very dots and vowels which we don't find in any of the earliest Qur'anic manuscripts even up to the 8th and 9th centuries, because they hadn't yet been invented in northern Nabataean Arabic.
This all proves that the earliest Qur'ans were written much too far north, in fact a good 600 - 1,000 miles too far north to be even considered Qur'aishi dialect Qur'ans (whatever Quraishi means), cold not have come from Muhammad, or anyone else from the central part of Arabia at all, but came from others who were living and writing in what is today Jordan and Syria. Now haven't we heard that before?
Conclusion: the Qur’anic Arabic (Nabataean Aramaic) existed 600 miles further north, while the 7th
century Arabic of Mecca, in the Hijaz (because it would have used the Sabaic script) would have accommodated the text of the Qur’an, had it been used, eradicating the Qira’at problems which we encounter later on in the 8th - 9th centuries!
Now if Islam was born in the south, why would the Qur'an have been written in Arabic that originates far to the north in Jordan? Tradition tells us that the Qureshi Arabic was Muhammad’s native dialect and this was the language used when writing the first Qur'an, but this has proven to be a lie. The Qur'anic dialect originates from the Nabatean bedouins from the far north while the dialect of the south is Sabaic Arabic.
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Thank you from an Eastern Orthodox Christian in Germany.
How's it feel being a fifth column Putinite traitor?
Kinda strange it took 250 years for Muhammads last sermon to be reported even though there were thousands of people there.
Bless you both. Great video and we meet more decent human beings like yourselves in the world.
Your point holds water because the Sana manuscript does not feature dots and vowels despite being found in Yemen.
The Nazarene kingdom since about 380 CE was Himyar (capital Sanaa), and the Nazarene Temple - which was also used for circumambulation by the pilgrims - was at Petra.
So if the qur-ān (lit. chants) were written in Sanaa, the writers would have been the priests from Petra.
Great job sir, Greetings from Nigeria 🇳🇬
Al Fadi you are also "saving us" a little bit :) or helping us to be saved. You honor your name. You are doing your part of the job :). God bless you.
God bless you both and your ministry!
God bless.. following you since 5 yrs
Thanks Uncle BOB!
Again, another great video, thank you Al-Fadi and Jay!
Well researched by these two experts!
Are you serious ? These people are islamic christian missionaries they're lying in these videos all of there videos are just christian missionary propaganda, your comment is so stupid, because by your name i assume that you're Muslim
Durie yes, Ahmad Jallads point is misrepresented
@@Deuntjes1 ...
Whose viewpoint is more authoritative and credible, the one coming from a muslim or the one from a non-muslim? -08-05-23
*Quran or Allah's kithab - How to prepare?*
*Ingredients:*
1. Al Lah, the blackstone moon god, stolen from Qureshi polytheists - 5 kg
2. Verses-fed Aisha's goat's mutton - 2kg
3. Sabean / Mandean book Ginza Rabba - 1 kg
4. Manichean/Nestorian/Mervian cult's Aramaic lectionary or KERIANA (translated by Waraqah bin Nawfel / Zayd bin Thabit) - 2 handfuls
5. Christian & Jewish Apocrypha (like The Infant Jesus Gospel of Thomas) & Fairy Tales (translated by Waraqah bin Nawfel / Zayd bin Thabit) - 2 handfuls
6. Teachings stolen from Zoroastrians (includes Arda Viraf's night journey on Barag to heaven to meet his god, jinns & houries) - 1 cup
7. Jewish superstitions (5 - this must be crushed and made into puree)
8. Muhammed's hallucinations, epileptic attacks and Schizophrenia - 1 cup
9. Muhammed's sexual perversion - 1 cup
10. Muhammed's hatred towards other religions - 4 handful thinly sliced into 4 parts.
11. Muhammad's self interest - 2 teaspoon
12. Epic of Gilgamesh - 1 teaspoon
13. Alexander Romance (about Zulqernain, Gog and Magog) - 1 teaspoon
14. Shehimo prayer stolen from Syrian Orthodox Christians - 1/2 teaspoon
15. Al Fitr stolen from Harranian Sabeans - 1 teaspoon
16. Hindu Manusmrithi (purity by sand), to taste - as needed
17. Poems of Imrul Qais, to taste (moon splitting) - as needed
18. Luqman stolen from Suwaid bin Samith Ansari after eliminating him (by Muhammed) - 1 teaspoon
19. Teachings stolen from Yazidis about Adam, to taste - as needed
20. Galen's and Hippocrates' fake science - 1 handful
21. Ancient Greek myth about 7 heavens stolen - 1 teaspoon
22. Pseudo Clementine Homilies stolen from the Greeks - 1 teaspoon
*Preparation:* Rename Al Lah stolen from Qureshis to Allah, then chop this and verses-fed mutton from Aisha's goat into medium size pieces. Slice Sabean Ginza Rabba into small pieces. Pour the Manichean / Nestorian cult literature Keriana and Christian /Jewish Apocrypha and Fairy Tales into it and saute. Then pour the Teachings from Zoroastrianism into it and bring to boil. Keep this aside. In another pan, fry the Talmud and Mohammad's hallucinations as well as the rest of the ingredients, except Al Fitr, Pseudo Clementine Homilies and Shehimo prayer. Take the Syrian Orthodox Christian Shehimo prayer and make it into the *first 6 lines* of the 'Al Fatiha' and add. Now knead the above into dough and flatten it into a book form. Add 'Al Fitr' copied from the Sabeans and rename it as 'Ramdan' or 'Eid Al Fitr'. Add the 'Pseudo Clementine Homilies' from Greeks after renaming it as 'Shahadat Kalima'.
Take 2270 copies of different wordings and burn all but 1. Then cut it into several pieces and place in front of a table fan. Now switch the fan at full power, ensuring all pieces are well scattered. Now turn off the fan and scoop up all the bits and bind it onto a book. Start at 96th Chapter and end at 5th Chapter, verse 3. Make 9 copies and later 71 more of different wordings.
For those of you who like dips, use never-pregnant Aisha's breast milk, whipped cream 😋, cucumber 🥒 and 7 Ajwa dates from "🌴 grown in the waste dumpyard" or nigella (black) seeds.
The suggested drink with this dish is warm camel-urine beer: Al Lah take-beer.🍺🍻. An alternative is Muhammed's favourite alcohol Nabidh.
There you go -- now you have the most amazing spicy Qur'an for the whole mankind.
Note: For those who like a smoke after dinner, they can roll up and use the white powder (the one Aisha scrapes off Mohammad's pyjamas) as special cigar🚬.
Psst!! Muhammed was made fun of by the people around him by calling him a EAR (= WITH NO BRAINS ), because he copied whatever he heard into his Quran - Quran 9.61. Also, during his time, people considered Quran as copied from ancient tales - Quran 23.83.
Muhammed copied religious customs of Qureshi polytheists into Islam - Bukhari 1648, 1643.
The scribe Abdullah ibn Abi Sarh remarked "Allah, the Best of the Creators" after Muhammed explained the verse about human birth in Quran 23.14. Muhammed asked Abdullah to add it to the verse since he found it good. Abdullah left Islam saying he can also become a prophet like Muhammed if this was how Muhammed created Quran. Muhammed heard this and added Abdullah's name in a hit list when he returned and conquered Mecca, but fortunately Abdullah survived - Sirah Al Halabiyah, Vol 3, Page 90.
"And when Ibrahim said to his father Azar: “Do you take idols as gods Verily, I see you and your people in manifest error.” - Quran 6.74 ('Azar' means 'donkey' in Aramaic. Muhammed copied into his Quran the word 'Azar' without knowing its meaning) 🤣🤣
Fatwa number 161555
*Without lies, Islam dies*
*THAQIYYA BIN ISLAM*
Excellent presentation! I pray modern muslims review this clear, objective evidence with an open mind. May this real evidence pierce their hearts and help lead them to the Lord, Christ Jesus, the only way to salvation.
Hahaha worry about Christianity since they are leaving becoming atheïsts or Muslims.
Open mind he says...tss so after 1500 years they should finally open their mind huh...where is the logic?
See...you had a great comment until the last line. I pray both of you read a different book. A muslim would probably answer that the gospels have changed over time and are not authentic.
Im just hoping these videos are getting out there and having a huge impact instead of being lost within an echo chamber 😞
Yea most muslims won't even care to ever listen they'll run from you or fight you
It does. There is this guy named Sachwala. He studied Islam while staying in Mecca from age 16. He is Indian speaks fluent Arabic and of course Hindi and Urdu. He found the same discrepancies of Qur'an. Pe has left Islam and debates with any Islamic scholar who is willing. None of the customs of Islam is in Qur'an.
@@ketakinikini
That’s his claim. Can you show me evidence for that?
Another opportunist who makes stories up to try to sell the idea that he is knowledgeable.
Show me evidence for your claims about him. Show me any record of him.
@@alonzoharris9049 if you understand Hindi as a language you can watch his videos on you tube. Not only that if you read your arabic as fluent as his you can debate him on his channel. You will have your proof there and then. The only pre requisite to debating him is either in Urdu or Arabic or Hindi. No English. And lest I forget be prepared well in advance because lots of so called scholars of Islam has left embarrassed or had to leave Islam as per the challenges offered.
@@ketakinikini very true
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The red rectangle way up north matches exactly an area deduced from where the Holy spirit was called mother! That confirms we are on the right track.
Al Jallad doesn’t make this claim. Jay is using deception again.
He is trying to fool people that some characteristics of used script is identical to language.
@@alonzoharris9049 its over your head. . .
@@alonzoharris9049 Alonzo Harris worships Muhammed (PBRB).
@@garybowings1538 Did you see the video by Rob Christian? He makes a case for the fact that Muslims worship Mohammad's penis. Yes, hard (no pun intended) to believe.
@@alonzoharris9049 No problem Alonzo, let's see your evidence where they are wrong. Seems they are using well researched data. By the way, did you see the Rob Christian video where he presented Hadithes that show Muslim's worship Mohammad's penis? Do you worship his penis? Not that there is anything wrong with that....
Yellow pages of al lah is not in the language of al lah?
Damage control as they start losing face.
So succinct, to the point, direct. I love our brothers and sisters for working so hard to bring the light in this dark world. I will try to share with a Muslim I'm speaking with about the Bible and the Quran.
It is not direct because they are misrepresenting Ahmads viewpoint. They should be honest
@@robertvandengraven8806 tell me exactly where they misrepresented or you are a liar. Where did they lie, what minute and second and show me the contrary source? Holding on to your deception will only destroy you, no one else.
@@TruckTruck-gu9vs you find the answer below
Linguistically, Durie’s|(2018, 16 f.) suggestion for the location of the Quran's dialect being in
the Southern Levant is untenable. While Durie mostly correctly identifies several features of Quranic Arabic as also occurring either in Nabataean Arabic or in Safaitic, he brings no evidence that those take place in the Southern Levant to the exclusion of the Hijaz.
The argument at best can therefore only serve as opening the possibility that the Quran is from either the Southern levant or the Hijaz. However, a more detailed analysis shows that the Southern Levantine option is less attractive, as Durie mixes freely linguistic features of distinct dialects of Arabic, and ignores clear isoglosses present in Quranic Arabic completely absent in the Southern Levant. Therefore, contrary to his claim, the linguistic evidence rather speaks in favour of the traditional narrative of the origin of the Quran, and speaks against more exotic suggestions that place the origins of the Quran in Petra or elsewhere in the Nabataean realm.
@@TruckTruck-gu9vs I hope this helps, the same answer should be on top op the list. So to recapitulate, Mark Durie says the same as Jay but Ahmad Djallad doesn't. The quotation below is from Marijn van Putten, a good friend of Ahmad, and hey do work together. Whereas Durie and Ahmad don't. By the way misrepresenting is not necessary lying, perhaps they do think Ahmad reflects their argument, whereas in fact it doesn't. I asked Marijn. But to end all controversy, I suggested that they ask Ahmad Djallad themselves. That would be courageous.
Bro fahdi and Bro jay could u pls refer to ' marvelous quran' by dr Hanny.. regarding on the arab langunge.. its is called ' Ibrahimic locution.... tq
A diacritical mark is a mark (or a symbol) that is placed above or below a letter in order to determine how a word is supposed to be pronounced. Examples: café, Chloë, façade, and piña. The Quran was originally written in the “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language. The “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language have no diacritical marks - no symbols above or below a letter in order to determine how an Arabic word in the Quran is supposed to be pronounced. Hundreds of years later, Muslims introduced and added diacritical marks (symbols) to the “skeleton texts” of the Uthmanic Quran in order to standardize (or to bring into agreement) how a word in the Uthmanic Arabic Quran is supposed to be pronounced.
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We can say with certainty that the Quran, with its new additional diacritical markings, has been changed - changed so much that its original complier, Uthman ibn Affan, son-in-law of Mohammed, will not recognize it. Not only do we not have the entire Uthmanic “skeleton texts” Quran from 7th century, but whatever few - hand full of fragments (pieces) we may have today cannot be read (or understood) without the additions of diacritical marks.
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Quran 15:9 reads, “Verily, we (Allah), it is who have sent down the Quran, and surely, we will guard it from corruption.”
Very informative
The diacritical marks of the OT were added 300 years after the Quran.🤣
bye bye islm and quran 🤣
@@alonzoharris9049 To Alonza Harris - whoever he/she is: There is no “Taqiyya-lism” in Christianity. You may (or may not) be correct to say, “The diacritical marks of the Old Testament were added 300 years after the Quran.” It does not matter, because the following is the game-changer between both Christianity and Islam: In Islam, the “word of god” is one - the Quran. But in Christianity, the “Word of God” is in two-fold: (1) The Word of God - the Bible which is the “Eternally Inspired Word of God” and (2) The Word of God - The Man who is the “Eternally Begotten Son of God”. Christianity is not founded on the “Word of God - the Bible”, but rather, Christianity is founded on the “Word of God - the Man”.
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In fact, the following is a universally recognizable truth: The Quran is the “Official Holy Book” and Islam, the Old Testament is the “Official Holy Book” of Judaism, and the New Testament is the “Official Holy Book” of Christianity. Long (many years) before the first book in the New Testament (Official Holy Book of Christianity) was written, Christianity was already established, up, and spreading like wild-fire throughout the pagan world. In other words, Christianity (un-like Islam) does not need a book in order to survive, to prosper, and to endure.
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Islam stands on three legs: (1) Allah, (2) Mohammed, and (3) Quran. If one of Islam’s three legs is broken, Islam dies and disappears. Right now, all three legs of Islam are sick with disease; they are hospitalized; and they are on life-support systems. Christianity stands one leg: Jesus Christ - the “Son of God” who In John 8:46, asks this question: “Which one of you convicts me of sin?” In other words, “Which one of you finds a single disease (corruption, contradiction, or un-truth) in me?” It is Him (The Word of God) upon whom Christianity stands or falls - not on the Book (Bible) in which God, Angels, man, Satan, and demons are all speaking, and each is expressing his own personal opinions.
@@123dsj123 Very well put! Thanks!
did gibril speak aramic, sanskrit, tamil,...how did e try a new language....
do you have a patreon account so i can make donation?. keep up the great work you do. god bless the both of you.
Like modern archeology claims that there was no flourishing kingdom of Sheba and story of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba is "an anachronistic seventh-century set piece" the Qu'ran might be the same. Written in the north by Nabateans and not by people in Hijaz there is connection to the biblic prophets at all the region of modern Mekka.
That’s an absurd position.
@@alonzoharris9049 I agree. You are absurd. A position based on myth which have no archeological facts to found that is why to pour over now cement in Mekka while making new tall buildings.
@@maxschon7709
You don’t care about archeology.
That’s why you accept the bible.🤥🤥
🙋♂HI abdul
@@alonzoharris9049 You shouldn't reflect your ignorance on others. Of course archeology plays a big role that is why the world knows where temples were, where cities were when Jesus were on Earth. Just Islam has nothing to show for.
Just ask yourself a very simple question: if there was a written text with God before the foundation of the world, why then would it be in a ‘dialect’ that is at best 2000 years old? Why was it then first communicated in the older Semitic language ( what we call Hebrew), the precursor of Arabic ( a derivative of Nabatean, itself a derivative from Aramaic… )
Did you use the knowledge of Tomas Milo?
Dr. Jay, are Arabs really descendants of Ishmael? because the people who descended from Ishmael were called Ishmaelites who were numerous people who lived around the Sinai and what is now Jordan. This nation disappeared around the 8th century BC. Do you have more info about that Dr. Smith?
Sinai is not in Egypt.
Why do you ask Jay?
Will you ask a butcher for surgical advice?
NO!!
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Do anyone of you know about the barnabas Evangelium?
Even the Quresh tribe were all settled and are native to Latakiya in Northern Syrian Mediterranean coast.
The Israelites are from China.
@@alonzoharris9049
Who was Isa's earthly father?
@@alonzoharris9049 Alonzo Harris worships Muhammed (PBRB).
From where did the Bible come from, and to whom it was being sent to? Who was the sender, and who was the recipient? -09-05-23
Alhamduliah. Loooool.
Jay, I once heard you saying the Coran was composed and written by the Abbasid in today Irak! Where do you lead us next?
@Azedine BENAMMAR
If Dr. Jay made that claim, he was almost certainly correct.
Before the time of the Abbasids, the 'Mumineen' were led by the Nazarene priests.
Don't forget that 'Umar ibn al-Khattab established the Kaaba on the Temple Mount, and this sanctuary was looked after by the Nazarene priests.
Later Islamic chroniclers called them Jews (they were partly correct).
A subsection of the Nazarenes were the Quraysh - the tribe that chanted the quran (= chants).
Other 'mumineen' did not need to chant.
But Abbasids dismissed the Nazarene priests and the chanters (Quraysh).
So, there was a need during the Abbasid times to put some of the chants in a book form so that others could learn to chant.
May Allah guide you all
Independent of the Koran, how do we know what Arabic was spoken where in Arabia 1,400 years ago?
By reading the rock inscriptions which show the geographical differences between the Arabic dialects. They don't disintegrate or deteriorate either.
@@pfanderfilms Thanks.
@@pfanderfilms
This video is so poor.
‘The Ta Marburta is used in script. Therefore the language is from the north.’🤣
This is such a silly claim. You are no representing the people in this video. Al Jallad doesn’t make your absurd claims.
@@pfanderfilms
Rock inscriptions don’t tell you much.
How do you know how to read and pronounce rock inscriptions?🥴
You are trying to mislead your followers with cheap propaganda.
@@alonzoharris9049 says you? Who are you? What do you know about the subject? Your comment is more like cheap propaganda.
Gbu
WE have a pretty good idea of the language of Petra (late Nabataean Arabic). Quranic Arabic is evidently not descendant from Nabataean Arabic, while its aligns well with Hijazi Arabic. This is the answer I got from Marijn van Putten, a colleague and a friend of Ahmad Jallad. So ask Jallad!
Jay Smith knows this. Jay Smith is deliberately twisting people he claims to represent. He is a very deceptive guy. He smiles when he is telling lies.
Nabatéen … at this period !
Hi! Al Fadi, one question I have is the Arabic name for God-ie Allah, we have claimed that Allah is the name of the moon god of the early Arabs, however the Aramaic word for God is very similar to Allah. It’s “Alaha” in Aramaic, what is our response to this as Christians? This is as we have claimed that the word “Allah” has pagan idolatrous origins, however the word for God in Aramaic is very close to that of the Arabs!
Jesus actually said ALLAH for God in his mother tongue Aramaic - spelled ''Alaha' - 'The world Allah derives from “Al-Ilah” which literally means “The God”. or 'THE DEITY' or the ''Creator God'' and ancients Jews called god ''Al-Ilah'' which is ALLAH.
@@Tony-zh1kz
It's Aramaic. spelled Alaha but pronounced ALLAH - from ''Al-Ilah''
The Arabic, ilah is ''god''.
Part of the shahada - “Ashadu an la ilaha illa illa-ilah,...''
“There is no God but Allah..''
@@Tony-zh1kz
Ask a Jew about Allah
He says in the Tanakh, it's ''Allah Israel'' - God of Israel
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Dr Ahmad Djallad would not agree, but why not ask him yourself
Im an exmuslim. Im curious how we can quantify the information stated here? How do we know for certain what is being said here is accurate and truthful. I appreciate everything you all do. I always enjoy finding out more and more details that prove Islam is completely false, is becoming a hobby for me. God bless you all. In Jesus name, AMEN.
History. And I don’t mean Mohammeden history either
al fadi and jay smith provides the sources. their UA-cam channels are full of resources for you, also look up nabeel qureshi, David wood, christian prince, rob christian, islam critiqued, also apostate prophet. nabi asli have super good videos about Muhammad. all of these people provide their references. oh don't forget also to buy the critical Quran (Robert Spencer ) to have a one-stop shop Quran cross referencing the Hadiths and tafsirs
start with these
Petra is an excellent example of an ancient, historical, archeological city..
And Mecca is an excellent example of a new city...
I also found these Islamic commenters to be "schizophrenic" in that they use the Bible when convenient (as above) and totally contradict about Adam, Abraham, Jesus, etc, when convenient.
Islam = NO consistency! 😭
Jay is full of crap. The persons he tries to misrepresent don’t make his silly claims.
So Jay please invite Jallad and speak with him, not about him
😊 wow
Satyameva Jayate: Truth and Honesty and Reality is built of small brick size Thoughts, Deeds, Acts of Thousands of other smaller Thoughts, Deeds, Acts. The structured Thoughts, Deeds, Acts become connected with Human wisdom, education, imaginations. The words of the mother tongue (standard / Canonised) vocabulary begin to design the sentences that explain what is out there in Landscape! Simple Equations need only single letters of an alphabet whilst solving the challenges require the use of numbers and the equations give the correct answers! Q.E.D is how all correct answers underline the acceptance of The only Truth(s). Satyameva Jayate
Queen of Sheba got the water to Mecca and along the pilgrim rout, so they don't die of thirst. They say she was buried next to the Zoom zoom well in Mecca, well that according to Islam.
Anyway, I love Lloyd clip on Yemen and that is where Muhammad said to take their god worship and traditions from which is moon worship, very good clip it's a must too watch. Very interesting why they bombed the museum in Yemen to cover the history of Islam, seem they are being destroying history for over a thousand years to keep their lie going, just like today in Mecca by concreating up the sandy floor as they know nothing can be found to back the oldest city in the world claim, without artifacts there is no history. Keep up the great work.
What a load of rubbish
@@aaabrams1889 Your correct Islam is rubbish.
cult is exposed day by day.
More like STUPIDITY EXPOSED😅🤣😂
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This of course does not rule out that Quran originated much more to the North, but Jallad's argument is misrepresented. Please Jay do an interview with this great scholar, who does not have polemic agenda.
Every language trough out history is subject to changes How the Quranic Arabic and the written Arabic of today are authentic As if the Quran was written yesterday
I have no beef in this, I would be impressed if it was true, but please ASK Ahmed Djallad if you presenting his arguments in a correct way, I heard he does not agree
Because to have an independent expert (Instead of one driven by polemic motives ) would be very impressive
Al Fadi in the Philippines waray regions Al Fadi means " the priest"... 🇵🇭☝️
Does Al Fadi mean "The Father"?
And Muslims have the cheek to criticise the NT.
Again I would be super impressed if he confirms your ideas. So come on !
Marijn claims that Jallad thinks the same. So find out! You would not want to misrepresent his argument, would you? Polemics is totally okay, I am critical myself, but fight fair!
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For example, Vollers, Volkssprache, proposed a theory in which the Quran was composed in a type of Neo-Ar-
abic without case endings altogether and was then later corrected to the high variety with case endings. No
independent evidence of this Neo-Arabic Quran exists, and the orthography of the Quran does exhibit case
inflection; see Van Putten and Stokes, “Case in the Quran.” Even more drastic is the theory of Luxenberg, Die
syro-aramäische Lesart des Koran, which claimed that much of the Quran has been entirely misread by Muslim
tradition and was in fact originally composed in a Syro-Arabic hybrid. This view has been rejected by most
scholars. See the important review of de Blois, “Review of Die syro-aramäische Lesart
Culturally our English language has definition problems between American and British talkers.
When Roger Moore the actor was at an event in America he asked where the men's cloakroom was located and was informed men and women share the same cloakroom in that country. What he didn't understand was an American cloakroom is where everyone leaves their coats, umbrellas and jackets while a British cloakroom meant the toilet.
It's circumstantial evidence that suggests the meaning of words such as Muhammad can very well change geographically and mean something other than what modern Islam teaches today.
The arabic of the koran is on many places choppy and poor shown to beca poor mistranslation from Aramiac into Arabic
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What’s ISNT wrong w Islam!
Dr. Jay Smith with all my respect to you ( I met you in many seminars) and Mr Al Fadi watching your videos for 10 years; Is it possible somehow you keep your friend Al Fadi and the same times look for someone else with more knowledge and honesty? Sorry, it seems like Mr Alfadi repeating the same things that you know already and say it with his own language and I think he is just there with his keffiyeh to say what, I just don't understand all these at all.
In areas dealing with Arabic he is far superior to me, and also can support what I'm saying concerning his part of the world. That is why it is important that I get his support, and thus it is important that we listen to him, because he does understand the language, the culture, and now the history as well. We work together well as a team!
@@pfanderfilms Ok.
@@pfanderfilms
Yes, a great team... good balance.
@@pfanderfilms
How come he always agrees with you?🤥
Al Fadi doesn’t know Classical Arabic. He doesn’t even know the difference between script and language. He makes this fallacy in this video.
That’s shocking for someone who claims to be an ‘expert’.
@@alonzoharris9049
Who is Isas earthly father?
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -07-08-23
Is it not worth pondering upon as to why the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL cannot still be produced by the Christian scholars up to now? If I were a Christian, I would give a second look on my faith since I have no book from God to serve as my basis for my spirituality and religiosity. I would not hesitate to give a second thought by questioning the genuineness of the source of my faith which come only from the opinions and ideas of different men.
How could it be that their words become the words of God? Am I in the right track? Or, should I now shift lane to erase the doubts bothering me? Or, should I choose procrastination until the original Aramaic Gospel would surface from oblivion?
But my end is getting nearer and nearer every day. I have to act now and waste not a second. I have to choose the religion whose book comes from God. With that, I am sure that I am following the words of God, and not the words of men. I am certain now that I have a better place to go to. Paradise. -08-07-23
Quresh is not a tribe, but the Nabatean elites who hold the privileges of trade (import&export) in the region and overseas under the name of Roman Empire, namely Qarashiyyun. Roma could not invade (invicta) their land, but they accepted and preferred to live under them (vassal). They wrote everything official in Arameic, but kept their Nabatean Arabic to communicate and write using many different alphabets.
Hardly surprising that the Qur'an Arabic is not that of the Hijaz since you & others have shown that Mecca as the origin of it all is an Abbasid frau𝛿, and an 𝜊bvious one at that.
WTF IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PAGAN XTIANS
repeating what you heard from the Evil missionaries?
THE MIRACULOUSLY PRESERVED QURAN 😂
Ibn Umar, one of Muhammad’s companions, admitted that much of the Quran has been lost!
Ibn Umar declared to Muslims; “Let none of you say “I have learned the whole of the Quran”. For how does he know what the whole of it is WHEN MUCH OF IT HAS DISAPPEARED? Let him rather say “I have learned what is extant thereof.” (i.e. I’ve only learned what has survived.) Abu Ubaid then goes on to give examples of missing verses, missing passages and missing chapters.
Ibn Abi Maryam related to us from Ibn Luhai’a from Abu’l-Aswad from Urwa b. az-Zubair from Aisha who said, “Surat al-Ahzab Surah 33 used to be recited in the time of the Prophet with 200 verses, but when Uthman wrote out the codices, he was unable to procure more of it than there is in it today.”
So according to Muhammad’s wife Aisha Surah 33 used to be recited with 200 verses but when the caliph Uthman decided to distribute his written version of the Quran, Muslims could only find what’s in the chapter today, 73 verses! Aisha Mohammed’s wife confirmed that 127 verses are missing from Surah 33 of the perfect and MIRACULOUSLY PRESERVED Quran.
Some academics even claim that originally Surah 33 consisted of 286 verses!!!
It looks like Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi become irritatingly jealous and infuriated when they could read something beautiful is written about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they want is that all writers would always go by their line of thinking of always finding faults against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and that what they should write will always be about his bad sides.
If only they have a supernatural power to squeeze the intelligence of Michael H. Hart and the likes of him, they would do so to make them write anything negative only about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they lose sight of the fact is that they cannot suppress the intelligence of the writers and their independence to write. They cannot make them succumb to their evil motives. -08-05-23
Thanks and God bless you brethren for yet another pull-out from Pandora's box.And yet today we have modern day moslems say oh the language of the quran is classical Arabic exposing their ignorance all the more that it originated from existing Nabataen and Sabaic arabic and I can't help saying this that most of these fancy classical Arabic supporters are nonarabic speakers...lol
So much for the supposedly divine Arabic book that came down from that written on Lah - e- Mahfous.
JAY - STATED
the Qur’anic Arabic (Nabataean Aramaic) existed 600 miles further north, while the 7th century Arabic of Mecca, in the Hijaz (because it would have used the Sabaic script) would have accommodated the text of the Qur’an, had it been used, eradicating the Qira’at problems which we encounter later on in the 8th - 9th centuries!
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So you shoot yourself in the foot by agreeing that there is a 7th century Arabic of Mecca, in the Hijaz...😅🤣😂making all those other videos that Mecca is somewhere else, null and void
WTF IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PAGAN XTIANS
repeating what you heard from the Evil missionaries?
How I earnestly wish that there is now an ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age.
From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it?
I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -07-02-23
The Arabs descend from Lot and his daughters. They were called Moabites and Ammonites. They were Ba'al worshipers and also Chemosh (Molech). Petra is in Jordan, the very heart of Moab.
Those were Jews😅
Even King David Descended from Lot’s Daughters😅🤣😂
Islamist are descendant of satan
@@Peach.Ice.Tea1 Yahwe is Satan
@@aaabrams1889 Aren't you the muslim rabbi? Oh, you mean the ancestress Ruth, one of the most beloved books in the Bible and you want to go so against Christianity that you throw Jews under the bus as well?
Go ahead, rabbi, tell us all how you love the Jew killing muhammad, and you are supposed to be a Jew.
Well, ain't that funny, you call David a prophet and you despise him like this, for a Jew murdering cult?
@@aaabrams1889 think what you want 🤣
The Truth is with the Lord Jesus. Through us shall he expose the lies of Islam. Keep up the Good work.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -07-04-23
The Ugaritic Texts were lost for the entirety of the OT, NT and Quran.
Read the Ugaritic Texts.
They say exactly who the usurper, lower god Yahweh is.
So where are all the other documents written in the Quryash dialect. Eh? Must be lots if the tale of Mecca being a centre of trade are true. 😂 ✝️
The Qurayshi DIALECT is ORAL 😅🤣😂
@@aaabrams1889 😂🤣😂 Uthman said to his son in laws and Zaid, when they were rewriting the Koran, that if there was a dispute then write it in the Quryash dialect. 😂😂😂 Jokes on you.
@@karenthompson1337
The Quryashi dialect was the most superior in all of Arabia.
The Jokes on you😅🤣😂
It would be the honest thing to do. Get him in front of the camera. Don’t you all agree
@mysotiras 018 why not invite the expert on which the base themselves, I heard he has a very different take. That seems a modest standpoint
@mysotiras 018
You are a proven liar. You don’t want experts on this channel. You only want apologists who twist experts to suit their needs. Jay is lying about Al Jallad.
Why are you such liars?
MOHAMMAD FALSE PROPHET💯✅
The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH.
According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh).
By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians.
According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book.
Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul:
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES:
1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for?
LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS:
1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for?
2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for?
3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for?
4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for?
5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for?
6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for?
7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -07-25-23
You need to listen to Horus to find answers to all your questions ... However, you enjoy raising doubts and question marks. That is your ultimate goal and where your so-called research ends ... at the question marks... LOL 😉😜
Does Horus hear you?
@@moorek1967
xTIANITY is based on old Pagan religions.
Remember Horus was crucified?
@@aaabrams1889
🙋♂HI abdul
@@aaabrams1889 Now you are the most hilarious person in this comment section because everything you just told me you know is wrong.
Horus crucified??????????????????????????
You mean to tell us all here that you believe, seriously in all your years of "Study" and "research" that you believe Zeitgeist fake history?
Do you seriously, seriously, seriously you think you just scored points with that one? So not only do you misrepresent Judaism, Islam and Christianity, you also misrepresent Egyptian and Greek mythology as well. Is there no low you will ever end at?
Horus crucified. Acharya S. really taught you some kind of history, didn't she?
You know that is where the fake history lesson comes from, right? Acharya S.
You just tried to educate me with Zeitgeist, and you expect me not to laugh?
@@ankur7773
A Hindu who wanted to get a higher rank in the caste system by converting from one Pagan religion to the other - Pagan Pauline xtianity is a STUPID move😅🤣😂
Wrong - Wrong claim. Bogus propaganda.
Mark Durie has been refuted by Marijn Van Putten in his book (free in Internet) : 'Quranic Arabic
From its Hijazi Origins to its Classical Reading Traditions', 2022, p. 146, n.32: '
Linguistically, Durie’s (2018, 16 f.) suggestion for the location of the Quran’s dialect being in the Southern Levant is untenable. While Durie mostly correctly identifies several features of Quranic Arabic as also occurring either in Nabataean Arabic or in Safaitic, he brings no evidence that those take place in the Southern Levant to the exclusion of the Hijaz. The argument at best can therefore only serve as opening the possibility that the Quran is from either the Southern levant or the Hijaz. However, a more detailed analysis shows that the Southern Levantine option is less attractive, as Durie mixes freely linguistic features of distinct dialects of Arabic, and ignores clear isoglosses present in Quranic Arabic completely absent in the Southern Levant. Therefore, contrary to his claim, the linguistic evidence rather speaks in favour of the traditional narrative of the origin of the Quran, and speaks against more exotic suggestions that place the origins of the Quran in Petra or elsewhere in the Nabataean realm.'
The Nazarene kingdom since about 380 CE was Himyar (capital Sanaa), and the Nazarene Temple - which was also used for circumambulation by the pilgrims - was at Petra.
So if the qur-ān (lit. chants) were written in Sanaa, the writers would have been the Aramaic-speaking Nazarene priests from Petra.
Quraysh - the chanting tribe - lived in Petra.
@@vicmath1005 Since 380 until Najran events, Himyar is Jewish. See Christian Robin's works (some in English, mainly in French). 'Nazarene' is the word used by Jews to designate "Christians". See Acts 24:5.
@@user-yz1dl3eu8l The (non-Messianic) Jews would have believed Nazarene to be Christians. The Christians of the Acts lived in Antioch, and not in Judaea. The Nazarenes had a community in Jerusalem, with Yaqoub, the brother of 'Isa, as the community head.
But the Nazarenes, from the time of Jesus, were Jewish in every sense except they also believed 'Isa/Jesus to be the Messiah. This 'Isa, they said, ascended to heaven and sat on the right side of the 'Father'. So these Nazarenes had two people in heaven: the Father and 'Isa the prophet/Messiah.
Starting about the 5th century, some Nazarenes became Christians. But the Nazarene faith continued.
'Umar ibn al-Khattāb was a Nazarene.
Yes, I have read C Robin's works thoroughly. He says that the Himyarite 'Jews' were of the *non-rabbinic* *priestly* category, who believed in a *second* *person* in heaven beside God.
One of the Himyarite inscriptions calls that second person *Muhammad* - in the 6th century!
@@vicmath1005 Paul was in Jerusalem, not Antioch, see Acts, 25:
"Five days later the high priest Ananias came down with some elders and a lawyer named Tertullus, who presented to the governor their case against Paul. When Paul had been called in, Tertullus opened the prosecution: “Because of you, we have enjoyed a lasting peace, and your foresight has brought improvements to this nation. […] But in order not to burden you any further, I beg your indulgence to hear us briefly. 5 We have found this man to be a pestilence, stirring up dissension among the Jews all over the world. *He is a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes, and he even tried to desecrate the temple* ; so we seized him.…"
I end the conversation here.
@@user-yz1dl3eu8l
Acts alone does not tell the whole story. One needs to read Paul's letters too.
He visited Jerusalem about twice, 14 years apart. The Christian sect that Paul groomed was in Antioch. The Nazarene sect belonged to the disciples of Jesus.
You end the conversation because you have realized that you take on 'early' 1slam is all erroneous. 'Early' 1slam did not begin in the 7th century. It began with the Nazarenes in Jerusalem.
What made you suddenly go silent on C Robin's writings? Cherry picking?
اللي لابس ثوب عامل نفسه خليجي ... ياشين السرج على البقرة
روح البس جنزك
pastor Bosworth smith after years of research concluded ' the quran is the only scripture preserved in its original language '
@mysotiras 018 pastor Bosworth just one of many who verified that 'quran only scripture preserved in its original language ' islamaphobes today target islam after biblical scholars concluded ' 50000 biblical manuscripts. no two alike. none of the apostles even wrote any of the gospels ' they had no choice
@mysotiras 018 dude give it up. you've clearly been hoodwinked ....Misquoting Jesus bart erman ' found after careful research their are 50000 biblical manuscripts no two alike. none of the gospels were written by any apostle. all written in greek that no apostle spoke. John 3 16 and resurrection story were both added in much later '
@mysotiras 018 Jeremiah 8 8 ' scribes falsified the Bible with their lying pens ' bible confessed to being corrupted
@mysotiras 018 folks mysotiras and I will never change each others minds but folks do you your own due diligence ...mysto backs roman pagan trinity foreign to Jesus and the bible that confesses to being corrupted Jeremiah 8 8. while I support islam. /monotheism. which is what Jesus said is the greatest command ' to worship OUR lord the one god only ' remember bible only in the hands of the clergy from 325ad to 16th century. easy to corrupt under the cover of darkness while quran in the hands of the people from day 1. memorized by millions. its verses used in the 5 daily prayers. and quran is recited in congregation from beginning to end every month of ramadan ....now which scripture would be easier to corrupt ? use your common sense folks ...
So here we have the answer. Linguistically, Durie’s|(2018, 16 f.) suggestion for the location of the Quran's dialect being in
the Southern Levant is untenable. While Durie mostly correctly identifies several features of Quranic Arabic as also occurring either in Nabataean Arabic or in Safaitic, he brings no evidence that those take place in the Southern Levant to the exclusion of the Hijaz.
The argument at best can therefore only serve as opening the possibility that the Quran is from either the Southern levant or the Hijaz. However, a more detailed analysis shows that the Southern Levantine option is less attractive, as Durie mixes freely linguistic features of distinct dialects of Arabic, and ignores clear isoglosses present in Quranic Arabic completely absent in the Southern Levant. Therefore, contrary to his claim, the linguistic evidence rather speaks in favour of the traditional narrative of the origin of the Quran, and speaks against more exotic suggestions that place the origins of the Quran in Petra or elsewhere in the Nabataean realm.
Again why not Invite Ahmad Jallad! You claim he is on your side but he is not! So that is disingenuous! Is it not? And are good Christians disingenuous. No! We speak the truth! So invite him!
One Source. One message to all Prophets. One Religion. Only ISLAM.
Q. 3:19. Indeed, the RELIGION in the sight of ALLAH is ISLAM. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.
Q. 2:213. Mankind was [of] ONE RELIGION [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.
Q. 2:208. O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and DO NOT FOLLOW the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy.
Q. 2:112. Yes [on the contrary], whoever submits his face in Islam to Allah while being a doer of good will have his reward with his Lord. And no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
Q. 2:256. There shall be NO COMPULSION in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Q. 23:52. And indeed this, your religion, is ONE RELIGION, and I am your Lord, so fear Me." -07-27-23
The Arabic written in Quran is not exactly the same as the Arabic in terms of conversational language. It is a more sophisticated version of the language. Almost every Muslim would know this even those who doesn't speak Arabic. This is not a revelation at all
@mysotiras 018 "Awkward" is opinion based. If you ever read the Quran or be with people who read it perhaps you'll get your answer. Where is this grammatical error that you claim? If you
@mysotiras 018
There you get unbiased info from a Xtian Arab - and you can't reply😅🤣😂
Jay misrepresents Al Jallad.
Jay makes absurd claims. He tries to fool people to represent Al Jallad. This is the silly claim of Jay Smith.
‘The Ta Marbuta was first used in the north. Therefore the Arabic in the Quran is from the North.’🤣🤥
What an absurd claim. Jay Smith doesn’t even understand the difference between script and language. Al Jallad never makes these absurd claims.
Who is Isa's earthly father?
Alonzo Harris worships Muhammed (PBRB).
@mysotiras 018
I have to provide evidence?
You are a funny guy. I just refuted your teacher Jay Smith.
Where does Al Jallad claim that the Arabic in the Quran is from the north?
Show me the source and page number.
If you can’t do that. Zip your mouth and stop talking about things you have no knowledge of.
@mysotiras 018
Did you know that you get UNICORNS in your CORRUPTED bibles?
Dragons and Satan Claws🎅 as well - MUST I SHOW YOU?
DRAMA ONLY DRAMA☪️
Without LIES, Islam DIES.
Without lies, this channel dies
@@aaabrams1889 Evidence from 7th century for Muhammad in Mecca please? Little spoiler: There is none
@@gentz8310
1) The Quran is from the 7th century and Allah addresses Mohammad (saw) therein.
2) Mohammad (saw) grave is in Medina with his 2 companions, first two caliphs of Islam, Abu Bakr al-Siddiq and Umar ibn al-Khattab and been visited Non-Stop continuously till today, proving Mohammad (saw) and his companions grave.
* Mohammad (saw) family, wives and children, his companions/disciples graves are all still there - visited by Muslims everyday.
* Mohammad (saw) descendants are all over the world today and DNA tests confirms those who claim that they are related to Mohammad (saw) - even the dead Queen of England claimed that she is related.
3) Xtian Grave Robbers made several attempts to steal the body but was caught and this is well documented.
4) The Hair, Tooth, Clothing, Utilities, weapons, etc of Mohammad (saw) are all in the Topkapi Museum and can be carbon dated with DNA.
5) Biographies of Muhammad (saw) (seerah), particularly those written by Ibn Ishaq (c. 704-767 CE) and Ibn Sa'd (c. 784-845 CE), and quotes attributed to Muhammad (saw) in hadith literature, compiled by Islamic scholars such as Al Bukhari (c. 810-870 CE) and Muslim ibn Hajjaj (c. 815-875 CE) which provide further information on his life.
6) Non-Muslim sources
Early Islamic history is also reflected in sources written in Greek, Syriac, Armenian, and Hebrew by Jewish and Christian communities, all of which are dated after 633 CE. ...
There is a reference recording the Arab conquest of Syria (known as Fragment on the Arab Conquests), that mentions Muhammed (saw)
7) There is a reference recording the Arab conquest of Syria (known as Fragment on the Arab Conquests), that mentions Muhammed. This much faded note is preserved on folio 1 of BL Add. 14,461, a codex containing the Gospel according to Matthew and the Gospel according to Mark. This note appears to have been penned soon after the battle of Gabitha (636 CE) at which the Arabs inflicted crushing defeat of the Byzantines.
8) The 7th-century Chronicle of 640 was published by Wright who first brought to attention the mention of an early date of 947 AG (635-36 CE). In relation to Arabs of Mohamed, there are two important dates mentioned in this manuscript.
AG 945, indiction VII: On Friday, 4 February, [i.e., 634 CE / Dhul Qa'dah 12 AH] at the ninth hour, there was a battle between the Romans and the Arabs of Muḥammad [Syr. tayyāyē d-Mḥmt] in Palestine twelve miles east of Gaza. The Romans fled, leaving behind the patrician YRDN (Syr. BRYRDN), whom the Arabs killed.
9) Another account of the early seventh century comes from Sebeos who was an Armenian bishop of the House of Bagratuni. His account indicates he was writing at a time when memories of sudden eruption of the Arabs were fresh. He knows Muhammad's name, that he was a merchant by profession, and hints that his life was suddenly changed by a divinely inspired revelation. Sebeos is the first non-Muslim author to present a theory for the rise of Islam that pays attention to what the Muslims themselves thought they were doing.
LET ME ASK THE SAME QUESTION
* Evidence from 1ST century for Jesus in Jerusalem???😀
@@aaabrams1889 But where is the written evidence from 7th century that Muhammad lived in Mecca? Graves in Medina are build from Ottomans. I'm asking for Mecca. Hard to find evidence for a city which first time appears on a map in 740.A.D.
@@gentz8310
Are you blind?
I gave it😅🤣😂
Where is the answer to my Question?🤔
OPEN SECRET
We got conned by supremacists from either side but the primary sources tell us that Islam is another name for Christianity as opposed to polytheism and paganism.
So, rather than be talking about 2 religions, we should be talking about two Traditions as Paul himself put it:
One Tradition for the Circumcised(Islam or the Authority of the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15: 22-32) versus the Tradition for the Uncircumcised(the Council of Nicaea based on Paul's Gentilism or Filioism).
Each one of these Traditions claiming exclusively the Pristine Apostolic Christianity.
As always, remember that Messiah(Christ) is a Prophet(Messenger) like Moses... Deut. 18:15-19
Greco-Roman supremacy sucks; so does Arab-Qureish supremacy !
That said, If you want to know how the atheists' theory of "Document hypothesis" and the Protestants' "Sola Scriptura" are both the two sides of the same coin and why they are both worthless, read the article below...
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ISRAEL AND THE NATIONS PAGAN
Paul(Romans 9 thru 11)
The Qur'an in the Qur'an(Reminder) refers to the Law of Moses. If anyone couldn't figure out that the title Qur'an on the cover of the book is a fraudulent one, then it is safe to argue that, that person doesn't understand the polemical exchanges between the pagans and the believers not even the content of the Bible for that matter.
"We have given you the 7 oft-repeated verses and the glorious Qur'an..."
Translation:
We have given you the Fatiha and the Law of Moses as the basis for your legislations in rejection of the Roman pagan Law, the papal sacraments, and Trinity.
Here is another one:
"What! If this Qur'an is from God, you believe not, but a Rabbi among the Children of Israel attests to its similitude and believe while you proudly reject it..."
Does this look like some words from God? What was the Jewish Rabbi doing in Mekka messing with Allah's revelation? LOL...
Or was he just comparing two translations of the same Torah, one in Hebrew and the other in Arabic?
The dude was a Prince-Legislator, a Founding Father, and a statesman
"If you say the name(Mohammad) find the reality it names. O cross-eyed One, if you only one in two, I see two in one." Rumi
PTICAL ILLUSION/FALSE REPELLENT!
Jesus is Muhammad(the Praised-One), fools. A point was made but you guys missed it altogether due to your poor reading skills.
But the adults and the Sufis in the room know that Muhammad is not a given or personal name but a substitute title, a euphemism for Christ(Messiah). Since Jesus is said to be that Christ(Messia), then Jesus is Muhammad.
We make the difference between Islam and the Arab-Qureishits propaganda contained in the Hadiths, and the "Sira Rassul Allah," etc...
That marketing gimmick was meant to capitalize on the pilgrimage to Mekka and not as historical facts. Kaabahism therefore is not Islam! It is a counterfeit of the Original Islam.
For the "stone that the Mekkan builders rejected and exiled had become the cornerstone..." and it is our Lord doing.
We also know that when someone promulgates a Constitution like the Constitution of Medina, receives embassies, passes legislations, proclaims a tax Codes, raises armies, signs treaties, etc... with some neighborhood nations, etc..., that person is in a role of a Founding Father like George Washington, Emperor Constantine, Cyrus the Great, Caesar Augustus or Alexander the Great, etc... We don't take the word "Prophet" in the literal sense.
So, If you have ever wondered why a substitute title was needed for Jesus and a name shifting scheme for the Arabian Founding Father, here you have it:
"Your people don't want to hear about Jesus. And when His name is mentioned, lo! your people burst into clamor thereby..."
That is why an OPTICAL ILLUSION was created:
We(the Children of Israel) send you, O Abu Quasim, among your own people so that they may believe in our God and His Messiah/Muhammad/Christ/Al-Massih, help Him, praise Him(Muhammad=the Praised-One), sing for Him evening and morning...."
"Remember when Jesus asked, "who will assist me in the way of God? The disciples replied: 'we shall be the helpers of God. Bear witness we are Muslims.'"
Hear O Israel, Jesus is the Messiah, i.e. Christ.
By the way, According to Acts 11:26 is a Christian he who believes Jesus to be the Messiah, that is to say Christ, foretold by Moses in the Torah but rejected by Israel.
"I will send the Christ/Messiah, a Prophet/Messenger like you Moses, Him, they must listen...." Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:22-25; Acts 7: 1-49 ; John 4:24-26, etc...
The word CHRISTIAN was coined in Antioch of Syria and not in Athens, Rome, or Boston.
In that sense, Muslims are Christians because for Islam Jesus is the Christ announced in the Law and the Prophets, born of the Virgin Mary. You may as well check the Transfiguration in Matthew 17:1-13 where Jesus "oversees" a meeting between Moses the Lawgiver and someone who would ratify the same Law for the Arabs(the descendants of Ishmael). In Genesis, Abraham was promised many Princes for Ishmael.
So the Muslims are Christians certainly not of Paul's Tradition, yet still Christians but the Americans are not...
Every American should know, then, that If Jesus is Lord, it stands to reason that Nature's god is NOT.
Yet, Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible and in the so-called 'Declaration Of Independence" claims just that...
And this is the official position of the American government because Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President of the United States and is the one who penned the so-called "declaration of independence" which became the Law of the land in the Constitution.
Nature's god in the Jefferson Bible inspired the "Bill Of rights" and specially the First Amendment which states that every religion under nature is as valid as the next; this is why polytheism and Idol worship enjoy special protection under Natural Law which pushed out Canonical Law or Sharia Law.
Nature's god states that Jesus did not resurrect because there is no such thing as resurrection of the dead; men die and worms take care of their bodies and that, most surely, wild dogs took care of Jesus' body.
Nature's god claims that there is no supernatural, no miracles, no virginal birth, no revealed Law since Laws are a construct of societies and each society makes its own laws in accordance with its need.
That the Ten Commandments were not revealed and are no better than the Law of Hammurabi.
For Thomas Jefferson, the Apostle of Nature's god, Nature's god instituted government on earth to distribute rights without responsibility: right to liberty from morality, right to pursue happiness, happiness for all(We wonder how government will enforce happiness which is not a tangible good), and right to life...
Paul, Jesus-Christ's Apostle to the "Pax Romana," on other hand instructed us that Government was instituted on earth by God to keep order, render Justice for the equality of the Children of God in view of the Last Judgment.
Nature's god insists that Life stops here and that there is NO immortality: "Let's eat and drink for tomorrow we die, and nothing awaits us after death. Don't be missing out..."
Jesus said man was born corrupted and can purify himself with the means God put at his disposal.
Nature's god however holds that man was born perfect but got corrupted by government.
We wonder If all the jails built across their lands are only for members of government.
Nature's god is truly Satan who set out to contradict the True God on every single line!
So If you are an American you should worry about the subversive nature of the American founding documents, America's Nature's god, and the fate of your impious founding fathers who worked hard to mislead mankind away from the Gospel.
Enough of that circular reasoning.
Please worry not about Islam; it has been around for more than 1000 years. I am just wondering If America would be around that long...!!! Worry about the disastrous fate of America, that house built in the sand...!!!
Through Mary, God...!!!
More in:
1/The Making Of The Arabian Messiah(Christ), Sole Ruler Of Mankind Like Augustus Caeasar.
2/Christianity: Circumcised(Islam) Versus Filioism(Uncircumcised)...!!
3/Son of God: Paul versus John vs. Nicaea...
@mysotiras0187
You are just afraid of truth...!
@mysotiras0187
Islam is closer to the truth than Trinity...
How does a high school drop-out with some reading comprehension difficulties assess a validity of an evidence?
It's not my fault If you missed the point in the Reminder aka Qur'an. Blame it on the same litteralism with which you approach the Bible.
Alas, the Quranic author clearly stated that his writing was a puzzle coached in SIMILE OR METAPHOR.
SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU FAILED TO SOLVE THE PUZZLE BY DIGGING OUT THE METAPHOR...
@mysotiras0187
The Authority of the Council Of Jerusalem is the proof: It is there in Acts 15:22-33. I wonder If you know how it works... You read a very thick book with two Opposite Councils: That Of Nicaea(Paulin and the Tradition for The Uncircumcised} Versus the One held at Jerusalem(Islam as the Tradition for the Circumcised) yet you still fail to see the absurdity of Sola Scriptura.
Yeah, Moron! We are done speaking because the issue is just over your empty head since you seem to have no rational rebuttal to my claim.
@mysotiras0187
Trinitarian Tradition doesn't make up Christianity, jerk!
So again Islam is closer to the Truth than Trinity is...
@mysotiras0187
No, Christianity is not; Christianity is the belief that Jesus is the Christ(Messiah) foretold in the Torah of Moses, period. Nothing to do with Trinity !
The White man tried to redifine it as the belief in Jesus as the Son of God and the second person of Trinity.
Why? For two reason: 1/he wants to use that as a pretext to go on missions in other people land hiding behind God.
2/This helps him hide the context of the New Testament, not as a corpus of books canonized by weirdos but as a LEGAL instrument indicating that the Roman dominion or "Pax Romana" was being taken from the mighty Caeasar and given as a gift to the slaves, the poor, the widows, the orphans...
Yes, the Pax Romana became the Pax Christus...!!!
Non-biased Muslim here.
Let's just be real about it. Whether or not a person believe the Qur'an is from God or not is irrelevant to my comment, because neither opinion negates the fact that the Qur'an exists.
The Arabic of the Qur'an, "High Arabic", is not a single dialect, contrary to what many Muslims say, but rather is a language that has NEVER been a spoken language and has always had poetic and religious significance. Of course the ancient Arabs spoke Arabic, but in their everyday speech, they didn't speak Qur'anic Arabic, just as no Arabs today speak Qur'anic Arabic as a spoken language. High Arabic has always been oracular, liturgical. Furthermore, long before the Prophet's time, there was contact between the North and South of Arabia.
You all should read 'Arabs: A 3000 year history' by Tim Mackintosh-Smith
Also, idk what you meant by "we have to believe the Qur'an is in the Qurayshi dialect"; we can believe whatever the hell we wanna believe. Wth.. 😂😭
That is all. As salaamu alaikum.
Seems you are correct, The Muslims I have met believe whatever they want. When one asks for quran verses that support their beliefs they usually do not have any or they bring verses that totally irrelevant.
Probleme is that according to the islamic tradition Uthman burnt all the qurans based on what Mohammed recited and replaced it with his one new improved quran which unfortunately had been lost as well. Uthmans qurans were written only in one dialect, so there should be only one quran in one dialect. Yet we know we can all buy more than 30 different Arabic qurans today. No wonder Muslims believe whatever they want
@@John-critic Yeah, but, what are the chances he literally went around burning every single copy? That doesn't even make sense in light of the various recitations that still exist.
This is a case of certain elements of the traditional narrative just being some bullshit some of us came up with at some point to make everything make sense to us.
@@nuri_sunnah that of course raises the questions, what is bull and what is correct? And of course what is correct in the quran and what was invented after Mohammed had died. Nobody knows and nobody can find out, so the only thing we know for sure is that Islam cannot be from God
@@John-critic Well first it would have to be demonstrated that the Qur'an was altered if one would like to suggest that things were added after Muhammad died.
Just because the traditional *narrative* of Quranic preservation isn't completely sound, per se doesn't substantiate that a preservation process didn't take place.
That was just you jumping to a conclusion based on your own biases. Very unacademic; you should've been a Muslim school. 🤣🤣😭😭
@@John-critic I'm unsure what your 2nd paragraph had to do with anything pertaining to the your first.
Anyway, the different "versions" of the Quran are just different ways of saying the same thing: in America they say friend, in Australia they say mate, and in the UK they say chap. But it's all the same meaning, and the English speakers from these regions have little to no trouble in understanding one another.
Likewise, these differences were due to differences in dialect. Whether the Qur'an was invented by Muhammad or not doesn't negate the fact that it's completely plausible that he could've allowed everyone to recite in their preferred dialect, as is generally held.
Lastly, the study of the various recitations is an academic endeavor, and before just formulating an opinion about it, you have to first ask yourself, to what level are you actually even qualified to engage in such a discourse, given you ability or inability to engage the primary source material, given that the manuscripts are written in Arabic.
Message to Christians from God
O Mankind, the Messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord, so believe; it is better for you. But if you disbelieve - then indeed, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. And ever is Allah Knowing and Wise.
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a (created) spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one ilah (deity/god). Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together.
And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper.
O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light.
So those who believe in Allah and hold fast to Him - He will admit them to mercy from Himself and bounty and guide them to Himself on a straight path.
(Al-Quran translation&interpretation 4: 170-175)
From arabic translations of the bible that you can find online, Allah (الله ) is the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1: 1
Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ...
(Al-Quran translation 7: 54)
Aalaha or Alaha refers to God in Aramaic.
Aramaic is a language believed to be spoken by Jesus.
Aramaic is a semitic language having similarities with Hebrew and Arabic.
But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you. He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness [as well]. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
(Al-Quran 4: 166)
Allah witnesses that there is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge, maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
(Al-Quran 3: 18)
Hahaha
C O P E
God is only one.
God is not one group of three.
God sent messengers.
God is not a messenger.
Jesus was a messenger from a long line of messengers that includes Noah, Abraham and Moses.
Messengers are chosen from men to convey message to men.
And We have already SENT Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants prophethood and scripture; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.
Then We SENT following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Injil (Gospel).
(Al-Quran 57: 26-27)
Then We SENT after them Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his establishment, but they were unjust toward them. So see how was the end of the corrupters.
And Moses said, O Pharaoh, I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds
Obligated not to say about Allah except the truth. I have come to you with clear evidence from your Lord, so send with me the Children of Israel.
(Al-Quran 7: 103-105)
And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers.
(Al-Quran 2: 87)
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth.
(Al-Quran 5: 75)
Their messengers said to them, "We are only men like you, but Allah confers favor upon whom He wills of His servants. It has never been for us to bring you evidence except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely.
(Al-Quran 14: 11)
God sent Jesus.
God is not Jesus.
Allah chooses from the angels, messengers and from men.
Surely, Allah is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
(Al-Quran 22: 75)
There are angel messengers
He sends down the angels, with the inspiration of His command, upon whom He wills of His servants, "Warn that there is no ilah (deity/god) except Me; so fear Me."
(Al-Quran 16: 2)
Angel Gabriel is referred to as The Spirit.
And mention, in AlKitab (the Book), Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.
And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Spirit (Angel Gabriel), and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."
He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."
She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.'
(Al-Quran Translation/interpretation Chapter Mary/Maryam(19) : 16-21)
Gabriel identified himself to Mary as "the messenger of your Lord".
The story of Gabriel appearing before Mary(Maryam) to inform her about her future son (Jesus/Isa) is also mentioned in the gospels.
*Angels informing the coming of a newborn child is consistent with angels visiting Abraham and his wife informing them about their future son, Isaac and Jacob and an angel informing Zachariah about his future son, John (Yahya), both incidents mentioned in the current gospels and in the Quran.
Angel Gabriel (Jibril) is mentioned by name as the one who brought down the Quran to Prophet Muhammad:
Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Jibril (Gabriel) - it is he who has brought it (the Qur'an) down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Jibril and Mikal (Michael) - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.
(Al-Quran translation 2: 97-98)
The one who brought it down is also referred to as below:
And indeed, it (the Qur'an) is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds.
Has brought it down by Arruhul-amin (The Trustworthy Spirit)
(Al-Quran translation 26: 192-193)
Say, [O Muhammad], "ruhulQudus (spirit of the Holy) has brought it down from your rabb (Lord) in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims."
(Al-Quran translations 16: 102)
Ruh Al-Quddus is mentioned in the arabic Quran.
Ruh meaning spirit,
Al-Quddus is one of the names of God, meaning The Holy/ All-Holy/ All-Pure.
Angels have wings.
[All] praise is [due] to Allah, Creator of the heavens and the earth, [who] made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in creation what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
(Al-Quran 35: 1)
Who did Jesus actually see descending that is mentioned in the gospels.
[Gabriel said], "And we [angels] descend not except by the order of your Lord. To Him belongs that before us and that behind us and what is in between. And never is your Lord forgetful -
(Al-Quran 19: 64)
God sent angels.
God is not an angel.
It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be servants to me rather than Allah," rather, "be rabbaniyyun, because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it."
Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as arbaban (lords). Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims?
(Al-Quran 3: 79-80)
There are angel messengers
There are human messengers.
God is not an angel.
God is not a human.
God is only one.
God have no son.
God is not one third of three.
God is not a messenger.
God sent messengers.
Indeed, Allah is but one ilah (deity/god). Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
(Al-Quran 4: 171)
فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ (Allah) السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ
According to arabic translations of the bible that you can find online, Allah (الله ) is the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1: 1
Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ...
(Al-Quran translation 7: 54)
Alaha refers to God in aramaic.
Aramaic is a semitic language believed to be spoken by Jesus.
Semitic languages include hebrew and arabic and have similarities.
These quotes are interesting, just by themselves, out of context, it looks like some of the heretics that were shunned into arabia (even the Romans called it, the land of the heretics) ended up influencing the fabricators of the quran...
Christians should be listening to Christ and the apostles, and the Old Testament men and women of God, not to someone whose life is not even described adequately in the Quran, as would be the case in genuine accounts of prophets, note the historical details they provided as is necessary and expected if one is testifying to God doing saving deeds for us. The traditions about "Mohammed" (a title originally used by Syrian christians to refer to Jesus !) from 2+ centuries on, do not show a life that christians would see as that of a holy prophet at all (none of my friends of various beliefs/no belief have fallen so low), and there is a lot evidence of major, even total, fabrication, the motive being a need for a prophet life the Quran lacked, and to give an order so the Quranic contradictions can be resolved by "abrogation" as in Allah changed his mind, to detail the vaguenesses of the Quran, and support imperial needs for a credible state religion.
The Bibles are all in the wrong languages!!!
The Bible is Fiction,
a Historical novel - ie a Fictional story using Historical events and peoples :
This 'Bable' book is backed up by absolutely no facts and no evidence for gods!
As a 'historical Novel', It is not proof for any god(s)
The fables are intertwined within historical places and people...
eg Egypt and the Pharaohs existed,
whereas
Moses did NOT exist,
and the Exodus did not happen !
That David/Solomon are fables...
Jonah swallowed by a fish.....Hhaha!
A 'global' flood never occurred on Earth!
[btw - any objections to these historical facts must be accompanied with evidence
to prove the existence
of any god claimed]
Doyle… a Catholic Irish name sake is saying the Bible is in the wrong language? Please, let’s hear your astute dissertation on the epistemology of the Bible professor.. we’re all waiting hmmmmm… The stories in the Bible are just that, lessons told in allegorical terms to grab a spiritual concept, in a materialized world of matter and atoms.
The satanic Bible, Quran, is written as a war plan to destroy everything and anything in its way to propagate Islamic conquests.
@kristina zboodram What makes you think that I don't ..?..!1 (since you want to deflect away from proving your fake gods...hahah)
@kristina zboodram Deal with the above Facts... hahaha
[btw - any objections to these historical facts must be accompanied with evidence
to prove the existence
of any god claimed]
@kristina zboodram
It's just another muhammadan doing his typical desperate dakwagandist deflection tactic,
to avoid facing embarrasing FACTS about his miserable Cult.
You can very easily trigger them,
for example, by reminding them
that they actually have OVER 30
different ARABIC KORANS...
Just plainly state that FACT,
and watch how they start twitching, squirming,
and start spinning it,
to avoid the Factual Point.
It's absolutely hilarious.
What is it facts? What is it evidence? Can you prove that you are exist?
What is the tools that you use to prove that you are exist?
How can you prove that you are real?
Can you prove that? Without ending in something like you "believe" that you exist so you become exist.
In the end, what is it real?
What is it human?
What is it God?
😁
Without lies, this channel dies
Scribes in Damascus took verbal accounts from illiterates coming from The Hejaz. Obvuiosly an issue in any language... Moreover, even today we say that 'Arabic' isa written language that gives variant phonetics with respect to place and dialect. So the 'Koranic Problem' is hardly unique regarding basic linguistics.
@mysotiras 018 Unless you present a clear overview as to how the translation of the koran relates to general linguistic theory, you appear to be prattling on as if it were a special case...
Al_Jallad_2020_The_Damascus_Psalm_Fragme.pdf read page 59-60,
What is soo funny is that Jay speaks about Arabic as if he can speak the language 😅🤣😂and want to tell Arabs about their language
The Dialect spoken in Mecca was Qurayshi.
Allah revealed the Quran in a clear Arabic language. Allah says (what means): {The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down. Upon your heart [O Muhammad] - that you may be of the warners - in a clear Arabic language.} [Quran 26: 193-195]
The Arabs are different tribes, and the Quran was revealed in their languages and dialects, but the most eloquent of them is Quraysh, and it is for this reason that ‘Uthmaan, may Allah be pleased with him, said to the Companions when they wrote the Mus-haf (physical copy of the Quran), “If you differ with Zayd ibn Thabit on the Arabic of the Quran, then write it in the tongue of Quraysh, as the Quran was revealed in their tongue.” [Al-Bukhaari and others]
Mannaa’ Al-Qattaan said in his book Mabaahith fee ‘Uloom Al-Quran (Research on the Sciences of the Quran):
“The Arabs had different dialects emanating from the nature of their Fitrah (natural disposition) in their sounds and letters ... Each tribe had a way of pronouncing many words that is different from the others, but Quraysh among the Arabs had many factors that made their dialect the foremost among the other branches of Arabic, as they were neighbors of the House [the Ka‘bah], provided the pilgrims with water, maintained Al-Masjid Al-Haraam [in Makkah], and supervised trade, so all the Arabs considered the dialect of Quraysh because of these characteristics and others to be as the father for their dialects.
Therefore, it was natural that the Quran descended in the dialect of Quraysh upon the Prophet (saw), who was from Quraysh, as a way of reconciling between the Arabs and in order to achieve the miracle of the Quran when it is in their hands, as it challenged them to come up with the same like it, or with one single surah like it. If the dialects of the Arabs vary about one single meaning in any manner of difference, then the Quran that Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is indeed completely miraculous in the way its letters and modes of recitation encompass the purest of their dialects, making it easier for them to recite it, memorize it and understand it.”
NO NO DON't 😭😭 plz ABDUL
@@ankur7773
I'm giving you the facts.
YOU ARE CRYING
As a Bangladeshi you won't understand Arabic.
@@vicmath1005
😅🤣😂IDIOT!!!
@@vicmath1005
Are you from Bangladesh?