What Drives Best.. Big Cam Or Supercharged?? Epic V8 Comparison!
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Welcome to another Episode of Ross Reviews AU on this weeks Video we test out not 1 but 2 HDT's, One an original HDT VE VC Retro Supercharged.. the other a Blue Meanie Replica with a Big Cam! Both Manual Both Series 2 VE Commodores, Both 6.0L V8s.. & Both RWD... this is how we do V8s down in Australia!!! What one would you pick?
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What Drives Best.. Big Cam Or Supercharged?? Epic V8 Comparison!
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Please keep the Holdens coming. I am watching from the United States. I want to see more Caprice/Statesman/Grange and Calais. I also would like to see more Ford LTD and Fairlane. I do appreciate the special models you share.
Can’t beat the power delivery of a supercharged car. Wins hands down everytime
It drove so well
@@RossReviewsau blown 8 always do. Massive torque and Ihits all the way through. No cammed or head and cammed setup comes close
@@mickobrien4619 man it was the shit!
Cammed v8 great, supercharged better, turbocharged better still.
I agree the blue one looks a lot better than the black for sure... but the black one seems more fun to drive
Absolutely correct ✅
I believe the butterfly at 9:57 is Brocky🤔
🫶beautiful shot
Great review mate as always. Love the styling too. Reminds me of the VE FG supercar days at the Adelaide 500. Just the sounds of it 👌🏻🇦🇺
Good call! That supercharged one was something else
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Appreciate this comment so much 🙏👑 we will get there
I have swapped a big cam 6L LS into a Nissan Skyline V35 chassis. Its freaking insane mate! Love the big cams LSs.
No way! That would be killer
What a killer review brother keep it up🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 your reaction to the first HDT was so cool 👌🏽👌🏽 your emotion to it was mad bro
I fell in love
Enjoyed the review of both HDTs. Both of them sound really good. The blue HDT may put the power down better but I can’t look past the supercharged HDT. The supercharger really adds to the experience. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for watching! Definitely the supercharger wins
These modern replicas are f*&^ing beautiful.
Agreed
I’m not greedy
But I’ll have both thanks 😂
Ikr that would be nice
Ross, liked the video, there is so much you have left out of your review about hdt cars .a big thank you to peter champion and his team at Yeppoon for keeping the Australian legend alive.
Yep he could have atleast done some home work first that's for sure
_Hard to go pass the linear power of a SUPERCHARGER and daily drivability. That said, a lumpy cam always brings a smile 😁_ .. _great review_ 👏🏼👏🏼
Excellent review and comparo - very classy stuff. Best channel on UA-cam
Appreciate that🙏
Loved the review, mate!
Loved the little wokeism jab, too 😂👊
Glad you enjoyed👊
I missed out on a original VC Brock, back in 2000, damm, but these are a good modern take on the originals
Love big Cams, awesome video as always….peace
Thanks 👍
Both cars are sick the replica is done very well. Looks wise its 👌 id love either one in my driveway lol 👍 love ya stuff ross 👌😀 im from Perth myself
I see a new RR video I smash like before watching.🤜🤛
Legend 🫶
Once again awesome cars and review love the look of retro blue meani but wouldn’t say no to either
Amen thanks brother
Love the clip, both cars awesome, the aero rims are directional, are on the wrong side, they are designed to draw air in to cool the brakes
Yes, grp a has directional wheels to draw air into brakes for cooling. And that does look weird when they have a right side rim on the left side of the car.
In a universe where daily living isn’t sucking us all dry I’d have both and a nice barra as the third
Amen brother.. that’s a garage
Great review again Johnny...supercharger for me....great cars....gotta love the v8 sound...
Gotta love that 🍷
Need a Supercharger and a Cam FTW
Best of both
I caught Goosebumps off you mate 👍🏻🏁😎
🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great video Ross as always, the look on your face said it all mate👌. I'd be happy with either parked in my garage😂 but the black VE id prefer white like the Original VC HDT.. Brocky would have loved to give em both a whip around the Mountain
i hope the video would do him proud
Damn they sound fucking GODLY!!
So damn good
Without driving these two cars, i can still say having a supercharger is the win... its extra displacement a big cam doesnt do anything for 90% of the normal driving we do at all a big cam moves the power curve to the higher RPM and end of the curve which is useless really... a supercharger takes that 6 liter and makes it feel like a 7 litre and you have instant torque low down and midrange being pure linear its always the winner its performance and drivability and way more enjoyable
Great review
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Lost count how many LS engines are cammed and theres a reason why
Supercharged holden or ford,now thats a hard one to pick,like them both,nice review,keep up the good work
Next idea 💡
Let's mix it up,see if there are owners out there willing to let you review old school holdens or ford's
Old modified or unmodified muscle before the fancy gadgets and electronics
Would be a challenge but I'm sure there will be some proud owners willing to show there pride and joy
Keep the reviews coming,thumbs up
Great review yet again!, hit me up if ever in Newcastle, love to check the times on my cars!
Let me know what you have! Appreciate your support
Fairly sure HDT do a custom grind cam in their builds, nothing like the lumpy stick in the blue one though.
As an investment I'd choose the genuine HDT, for a daily I'd go for the blue meanie rep every time purely because lump is life and any power not getting to the road is a waste.
That might be a thing because man it drove amazing
best review so far!
Great comparison
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here within the first minute, love the review mate
Legend 👑
Here in Germany you can nearly only get turbocharged cars. No more supercharged cars - only on cars from the usa (Dodge,...) you get a supercharger.
I still own a complete tuned and supercharged JCW MINI R53 from 2004. My car has 257 hp + a weight of about 1120 kg (weight reduced). It is so much fun with the supercharged (throttle response, high rpm,....).
Two amazing cars here in your review, but I would go with the supercharged one :)
Best regards Chris 👍
Thats killer power:weight :)
@@Internetbutthurt
Thanks for your comment and a happy new year !!!
Compared to all the newer cars my JCW MINI is a lightweight. The differences is amazing in acceleration, braking, corner speed and so on. I can feel, that my car weights between 250 and up to over 500 kilograms less then nearly ever new car. I will never sell this car !!! It is to much fun for me to drive
I almost pulled the trigger on the black one back when they came out spewing now
Grab this one now 👀🤣
HDT VE = dream cars.
They are epic
Mate give me either car & I'd be a very happy boy lol,nice one Johnny 👍
Umm I want both of them mark
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Good review
Thanks!
love the vids
Thanks brother
Love your work,
Bolt a supercharger on the blue meanie
Thanks 👍
I'm jealous, I'm not knocking either of them back. Sweet as.
Was a good day
I like the VE Blue meanie
Looks so good eh
Now that's a day never to forget👍🇦🇺🍻
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Actually the only change I'd make on that *HDT* is turning the pin stripe to lime green
The blue one looks hell sick and wheels
It’s killer
No losers with these two , just have to take both and fit some 275s on the rear of each.
Your right can’t lose
ross smile says it all lads
👌😮💨 to right
yes i love the blue one ,
Very nice
Nah I'm taking that *HDT,* man the sound, response and handling sounds a dream and I'll color it silver
Dream to drive
I prefer the blue meanine, there is something special about worked naturally aspirated V8's
Can’t argue with ya special car
I think both cars are top notch. Like you I think the blue meanie is a better looking car and from what I could hear in the video sounded better. However the HDT looks like something Mad Max would drive and that crazy power plant engineered by HDT along with its rare status takes the cake for me.
I like them both
85 Brock VK SS Group A 💙
Rip the legend
They both sound great, but there's just something about the sound of a big cam NA V8
Yeah, that supercharged HDT is just crying out for AWD; if you could put all that extra power down to the road via all four wheels then that thing would be an absolute weapon, both in a straight line and around the corners. I drive a bone-stock VN Caprice II with the 6.2L LS3 and even that big, long heavy limo boat tends to light up the rear tyres just way too easily when you feed it the onions (even with T/C on).
Oh man I couldn’t even imagine that AWD absolute beast
A friend of mine had a vf series 2 HSV with LSA. That thing hooked up hard off the line.
I'd take the blue meanie...has the same hp as my bros SS...shoutout to Marks Workshop
Looks a million bucks in blue 🥵
Blue meanie for me. Not saying I wouldn’t twin turbocharge it!
Now that would be epic
It's the Butterfly effect
😂🦋
I used to get 5.2 seconds to 100kmh in my VE Ute with only 260rwkw on back roads like this and with a 245mm factory rear tyre. Less power is more sometimes.
Actually thats pretty slow for that much power. 260 rwkw is 320-330 crank kw
@@mrporsche4236 I could have done better but it's better than what Ross is putting down with cars that have way more power than that. Which was my point.
as a previous owner of multiple supercharged HSV vf's you need to get hold of a Camaro ZL1. After owning one of them them for a year I tried to go back to a worked VF GTS and was highly disappointed. It Ruined Commodores forever. the LT4 driveline with Manual is lightyears ahead. you wont regret it. Its a real shame there nothing in Oz is offering this package. the only V8 left is the new Mustang unfortunately.
I’d love to try a ZL1 😫
The exhaust on the black one is perfection what is the exhaust set up?
Think it’s X force but sure on the hole system
Hundred percent not surprised - Manual supercharged cars feel fast but are actually terrible off the line. Sure they are nicer to drive and have torque once you have traction. But below 100 km/h (on street tyres) cammed NA allows traction and top end = quicker. Both still slower than a stock Hyundai I30N (5.3secs). (I’m not a Hyundai or FWD fan - just mentioning for context from a 2023 performance perspective)
@@Simeon301091 I have literally accidentally launched in front of an undercover police car. It’s not hooning if you’re not wheel spinning :p I spend more time at traffic lights than race tracks. 0-60km/h or 100km/h is still legal
@@Simeon301091 that’s why I don’t carry a stop watch with me and an official in white coat and clip board- so I can’t be accused of. Conducting speed trials. Indeed hooning (a very broad definition with different interpretations by different people), can incur warnings, fines or removal of licence. That’s why logically passenger cars with more than 90kw and more than 4cyl aren’t sold in Australia…..
@@Simeon301091 my car is neither a four cylinder or a hatch. - and agree that 0-100 isn’t the only performance metric. It’s probably the most relevant in Australia for a performance street car (not a track car). Doing 0-100 in 3.2secs reliably and consistently, is cool, but being able to pull ahead of supercharged V8’s when they have traction is even more fun. If you can run 10’s on a street surface on everyday street tyres and have a decent sounding car that’s comfortable and practical - that’s my version of a performance car. But agree - Everyone has different priorities.
What wheels are these on supercharged car ?
Snap crackle and pop siic!
V8+Holden=‘Ery gud.
I thought these were Holden Commodores brought off Wish but damn they go hard
They go very hard
Why not have both is the real question Ross
Are we gona see a drag between your f6 and its rival?
Id love to see a big cam with harrops independant throttle bodies vs the supercharge.
i would also love to see that
Surely that exhaust ain't genuine? Would look sick if was lower in the rear then I'd go for the black one
Great review. The Holdens aren't dead yet. Love HDT's. One criticism with your Australian driver references Allan Moffat only drove Fords ( maybe a Garth Tander local boy or Greg Murphy who drove holdens his entire career) and maybe stick to drivers who are alive, love your passion for our country and our legends of the past. Otherwise great review man I saw the HDT on carsales pretty reasonable for a car of that calibre.
Don't know where you got Allan moffat only drove fords he raced for many cars brands over his career. Including at Bathurst for Mazda in a rx7 from 81 to 84 and with peter brock in a vk commodore . Go read his Wikipedia page.
Do u like the supercharged holden more then ur barra and is your barra quicker
Love my Barra but both are great
I'm so confused. Canadian guy with kiwi tattoos driving Aussie cars and referencing Peter Brock.. I'm all out backwards.. but he loves Australia so all is good. Great job 😊
🤣 I’m a mixed bag o
@@RossReviewsau haha that's alright mate we accept all. Well all good hearted well contributing folks.. not those terrorist Basterds 😁
I’m a ford guy but these are hot
Amen 🥵💯
cam+blower baby :D
Best of both 🙈😩
Original sounds so good.
Easy win..
It was an easy win
Love to hear a yank talk like a Aussie...... 👍🥃🇦🇺
🇦🇺🫶
I mean imagine the time you'd have on that *HDT* surely you'd have to take it to a track
It’s brilliant
Blue meanie with the retro vc engine
That’s goals 😫
Back in black. VH all the way.
I still think my cammed and blown VE SS would make this hdt feel small 😅
Hard to beat
I'm doing 1100 to 1300 whp depending on fuel used, hydraulic roller, flat tappet cams on the street are a plain pain in the butt. Superchargers are so controllable turbo's and huge cams just don't make sense on a daily.
N/A big cams for me
love a good chop
Aussie built 304 with 286 cam all day, everyday
You say the black hdt has too much power for the chassis?
Same chassis as the vf(tweeked) .
Maybe it was the suspension,as soon as I put some decent suspension on,it changed the whole drive of it,even the way it puts power down.
Just food for thought
maybe
@RossReviewsau lol @ maybe...of course suspension set-up helps get power down
R.I.P PETER BROCK, On ya bro
It boils down to what you can afford to repair! A NA V8 with a serious cam is never going to break. A charged V8 has so many other things that can go wrong. And when THEY go bust. You're looking at University fees to fix!
im busting to buy that genuine one lol.
It’s so good
Its really not a question that needs answering... it's Supercharged everyday of the week... twice on Sundays.
Just depends on what character you want your car... the cammed car having so much more character.
You could just go cammed and supercharged and get both... :-)
both would be crazy
You need to turn off traction control in these cars to get the best time out of them. It makes a huge difference at roll racing in my VF GTS. I make 175km/h across the line with traction control on and 205km/h with traction control off.
These just spin tyres regardless but in the right hands of course could do a better time
Bring supercharged vs turbocharged LS
Just filmed that but BOSS V8
Why not both?
Best of both 🤌
Big cam or supercharged? I will have both please..
Best answer
Ross couldn't even finish his sentences because he kept getting carried away by the car's performance 😂
I was really amazed at that thing
The owners watching this be like...🗿
Both for sale at NextRide 🤌
@@RossReviewsau hey Ross ever meet up with any fans? I'm from Perth
Are you Māori brother?
Yes part Māori 😤
@@RossReviewsau KiaOra Brother 😎 Just found your channel. Awesome content. Chur bro
I’d go a supercharger every time. Oh wait, I did.😊
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