THIS is the most PAINFUL video request I've ever received! It's Bon Jovi!?!
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- As a Bon Jovi fan this is a difficult one! But here it is, we're taking a look at what happened to Bon Jovi's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction performance!
Official Video - • 2018 Bon Jovi Rock and...
Live Performance - • Bon Jovi ROCK and RO...
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0:00 Start
0:28 Request Background
3:53 Isolated Vocal Analysis
5:28 Layering for Comparison
7:09 Pre-Chorus Comparison
9:55 Why Did it Happen? Vocal Fatigue at Event
13:39 Miming Not an Option
14:01 Don't Hate the Player, Hate the Game
15:52 Comparisons and Use of Samples - Розваги
I met him once, entirely by accident. I was waiting for a dinner date in the piano bar of the Mariott Hotel in Hamburg. Outside, for no reason I knew of, were loads of screaming young girls, faces pressed against the glass! Well, I was just sat there, waiting, and spotted this guy at the bar. So I went over, sat on the stool next to him. I asked him "Any idea what all this is outside"? "Oh, don't ask... " he says, looking very gloomy and staring into his drink. Short guy. So I get him and me another drink, and chat about this and that in typically bloke-ish fashion.
"You here for work?"
"Yeah, sort of"
"Me too."
That type of thing. Anyway, after about ten minutes, my date arrives, waves at me from the door and I bid my sombre drinking buddy good evening. "Sorry I'm late" she says, "Client call went on a bit. Who was that at the bar?"
"Dunno. Just some bar guy. Seemed a bit sad and lonely"
She had a look and said "You know who that is? That's Jon Bon Jovi!"
Suddenly all the screaming girls outside made sense, but I felt a bit sorry for him. If I'd asked him if he'd like to come along I'll bet he'd have said yes. He seemed really sad and lonely, and relieved to talk to someone who didn't know him and didn't want anything from him.
And that's my Jon Bon Jovi story!
Great story Erny. I met a few celebs in my life, by chance and through job - and made it a rule to always treat them like a regular person, practically all of them liked that normal approach. Cheers from a Hamburg guy.
Much like the kicker for the Chicago Bears, who I found myself sitting next to at a bar I used to frequent. When he found out I have no interest in football, he relaxed, and we had a nice conversation. I wouldn't mind being rich, but I'd hate like hell to be famous.
What year is that bro
@@richiebonjovi1 Counting backwards, I guess that would have been 1993. I've never been what you might call a big Bon Jovi fan, but I know when I was there - working with a management consultancy who put us up in the best hotels - happy days!
I've always thought that with fame comes all the misery that accompanies it. Would I ever truly want it? No. Being an unknown and having the freedom to go anywhere and do anything without constant scrutiny is truly a gift. I'd hate to have that snatched away from me, because anonymity never comes back once it's gone.
"To play a wrong note is insignificant. To play without passion is inexcusable." -Ludwig Von Beethoven
The first rocker.
@@allenswanson2423 yup
Love that.
LVB hard core classical for sure
It's absolutely impossible for Jon Bon Jovi or Bryan Adams to write a lyric that is an original thought and not a cliche. Whether that's a good or bad thing depends on whether you make your living as an accountant...
When Pink Floyd reunited for the live 8 show, I waited all day and watched it live online. During the original stream, Dave and Roger were off multiple times. At some points, it sounded terrible, they were so off vocally. That same night, when I went to rewatch the performance, everything sounded perfect! I searched, but could never find the true live audio from that night. That was my first time noticing the pitch correction thing. Blew my mind.
Excellent example, I waited all day too. It was a very long wait with the promise that they were coming up next….
It doesn't sound like it's pitch corrected, seems like they simply recorded some vocals again.
I had this exact experience with that performance. I thought I was crazy and didn't hear what I know I heard.
We've all been duped. Over and over and over again. I stopped going to concerts in 2022.
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Good for you bc they are putting out h@rmfuI frequencies...
Notice ppl saying they lost their memory of the CONcert
they were just at?
That's why Alice Cooper has always made sure his band and studio musicians don't make the music they're recording so complex and difficult that it's virtually impossible to replicate live. It has to be able to be played live, and played well, he's always said.
Tool…..
Genesis - Supper's Ready, Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick, Pink Floyd - Echoes, Shine on You Crazy Diamond, Dream Theatre - The Dance of Eternity, ... (any one of those bands has 10s of songs that are incredibly complicated)
@@dr_jacko u black?
That explains why his music is so awful.
Glen Cambell is really great then as he was a session musician who transitioned and became arguably the greatest country guitarist live ever.
I think we should all recognize what a good guy Fil actually is. He went out of his way to explain the less than stellar vocals in this video. I've never cared much for Bon Jovi, but I recognize the real issue of vocal fatigue in artists now that Fil explained it. Good job and thanks for the work.
Agreed. I’m also a little worried he may be upsetting an apple cart belonging to a very powerful machine. You interfere with the money making machine, and they go for the jugular. Some people can handle that, some cannot. It’s like some people can play the stock market without worry. Some people play the stock market and end up with an ulcer, or worse.
It’s important to know yourself.
Fil is an old soul whose parents raised him right.
I agree with what you say about Fil. Also I have never been a fan of Bon Jovi
Whether one likes John Bon Jovi or not, one has to acknowledge the fact that he had kept his marriage together for 32 years - something very unusual for such a famous person. Well done, John.
RJ... I could not agree with you more, regarding Fil; and I've felt that way long before this specific instance. His appreciation for music covers an enormous and very broad landscape, I have found... and he's an excellent player as well.
He has, in this post, gone out of his way to be sure that this was not an attack on the guy's singing capability; but rather a discussion on the technicality issues present in today's popular music scene, and perhaps even the market's expectations from the 'suits' point of view. It was not a 'vocals' critique.
I like the band actually, from an instrumental perspective, but I have always disliked John's 'bubble gum' vocals that have kept me away from any real interest in the group.
I always look forward to Fil's posts and have a great interest in what he has to say. That's why I subbed after the first time checking this channel out.
💥😎👌💥
Unfortunately, rest or not - Jon's voice is permanently damaged.
There really isn't a good night for him anymore.
I saw Bon Jovi once. Opened for the Scorpions. They literally got boo'd off the stage.
Jon made it worse by crying "This isn't fair. We came all the way out here to play for you guys....." in a really whiney, self-entitled tone of voice.
My friend turned to me and said, "Who the h*** asked him to? We came to see the Scorpions, not this bozo!"
Some time later, I started hearing Bon Jovi on the radio. I couldn't believe it was the same band.
I went to an Eagle's concert at Lake Tahoe. It was great. When they sang "In the City" Joe Walsh and someone else both missed their high note twice. They looked at each other and started laughing. On the third round , they nailed it!
What song was it?
@@lds251 You can't read?
@@mellotronn oh sorry, missed it,
I wish UA-cam had laugh reactions...lol @ comments 😆
Now Henley lip-syncs
Fil thank you for your kindness. Rather than just trashing him you explain what he was going through on that night and why he struggled. And for helping those of us listening to understand why and how the voice ages.
Hi there, I totally agree. Fil has explained it perfectly, while absolutely and totally not slating Jon. Because as a singer myself, I have been there on many occasions, and sometimes still do!! I hate when people slag off an artist if they don't hit the notes on the money. That's totally their ignorance in not understanding how much pressure a voice can be put under. I have to say in my humble opinion, the untreated vocal still sounds good and raw 😊 If the guitar player or bass player is out of tune, we're in the great position that we can tune our guitars, but it's not that clear cut for a vocalist. I enjoyed reading your comment. Sending blessings from Ireland 🤟☘🤟
Totally!
the voice doesn't age. It's lack of proper training mixed with misuse
Very much agree , but thought I'd share a personal story that i think is also common for vocal issues that few people are aware of. About 15 years ago ( I'm 57) i started losing my singing and talking voice. I had trouble swallowing, was always hoarse , ears popped ,and my range, pitch and tone were declining fast despite being trained on proper technique. I was scoped and no damage was found. Speech therapy didn't help. In the end it turned out to be an issue with my NECK that had to do with misalignment with the atlas bone . In short I wasn't getting proper nerve flow to my throat and ears. The muscles had bound up as well and were squeezing my throat and adams apple. I had the atlas bone adjusted and some deep tissue massage done to loosen things up and all the issues cleared up . I have seen this same thing happen to friends that sing and they had the same great result with the same treatment. So don't forget to get your neck looked at if you are a vocalist .
Thanks for the warning.
Yes it happens...i loved singing but my voice suddenly became horse & it turned out to be my neck...unfortunately mine's due to Rhumatoid Arthritis and cant be fixed...i sing now & then tho lol 🤘🏻
I'm not a trained vocalist but about 20 years ago I started writing music I never I always loved music I just didn't put myself into it and I noticed in the last 5 years maybe more my voice is gone it's like I'm told Jeff and what you just told me is I don't know if you're familiar with fibromyalgia but your muscles and your nerves and everything are all messed up like I'm in pain all the time from a really just under my shoulder blade all the way to the bottom of my foot and I'm very in degrees cuz some days it's not too bad today is really bad that being said those nerves there are nerves and muscles that go you know even the tip of my head from where I'm talking about we're talking about my sciatica in this particular thing I have several issues and I also have chronic fatigue that means my whole body will just stop it'll just feel like I can't go on another second and it can be like a light switch like I can be doing pretty good and then that light switch will turn off and I mean I have to go to bed I'm going to start crying and I'm not aware I really not even for 70 year old lady and so while I probably won't go to an extensive thing to find out about my voice cuz I'm certainly not a professional I'm not even a choir singer in the church but I love to sing and I can hear for myself how bad it is I sing anyway but thanks for the information it's really kind of cool to learn this stuff
Vitamin B1 will help with that. It strengthens the phrenic nerves and extra water for hoarseness!
@@donnahilton471 thank you ✝️🛐💙
The hardest part of a singers career is knowing when to stop.
So true. If they don't get it, then somebody needs to tell them.
Case in point: Paul McCartney.
It's hard to tell someone to hand over the car keys because they shouldn't drive anymore, ...or sing......
@@micheladonofrio2285 Whenever I have this same discussion with someone, I use McCartney as the perfect example. He had perfect pitch way back when, but he's absolutely cringe worthy now. Actually for at least 15 years. Remember seeing him on SNL 10 - 20 years ago, and it was painful. That's how awful he was, sad to say.
@@micheladonofrio2285
I like Paul’s newest.
Yes, he’s older, and his vocals aren’t the same as back in his heyday, but what he’s doing now may be a different vocal attack from what your ears want to hear, but it’s still good art.
That’s not the case. Bruce is way older than him. And there are others. It’s just he was never good.
The saddest part is he's only 60 here.
Peter Gabriel still sounds like Peter Gabriel at 73 ......
Alice Cooper is another one. Seen him not too long ago he was great.
Mick jagger still sounds the same as ever.
I'm a big fan of Bon Jovi not only as an artist, but as a wonderful human being. I appreciated he wants to be transparent in his singing. I think he's lost a lot of his vocal range due to all the years of touring, and the fact he is aging. I'm still going to love him. Good or bad. Thank you for the analysis.
With this explanation I'm even more impressed with performers like Elvis & Janis & so many other "classic" or "old" musicians. Elvis performed 2 or 3 shows a night for WEEKS in Vegas. No auto tune, no sweetening, just pure raw talent. I'm more in awe of real talent as time goes by. We all have "off" days. Jon just had an "off" night! Love the video.
They also died before their voices had time to be wracked by age
Yeah nothing like the older bands & singers. I read a quote from Rick Wakeman where he said a friend of his told him you have to see this new band they sound great to which Rick said yep & they’ll sound the same every night his friend asked what he meant he said a lot of new bands play & sing with backing tracks & pitch correction.
Considering Janis died at 27…
What was the duration of an 'Elvis show' ?.. Around an hour or so per 'show' ?..
@@donaldcook3112 Elvis did 2 shows a night, about an hour and a half, for one month, twice a year. 3 shows sometimes on Saturday night. Tahoe, and grueling road touring in between throughout the 70's. Nobody, ever worked more than Elvis worked. I saw much of it. In the middle he did a Hawaii concert, seen by a billion and a half people via satellite in '73. He could not have lived a long life working as he did. He should not have been on stage the last year, but I saw him December '76 in Vegas, still at it with road shows ahead. And, bless his heart, all the while never turning down autographs of any of his millions of beloved fans. I have hundreds of pictures of him signing. He so loved his fans.
Over the age of 50 singers,they all sound different,some better than others,I saw Bon-Jovi in 1986 with the The Slippery When Wet Tour,and he was great,who cares if they can't do it now,they were still better then than alot of people will ever be.
And still better than anything these days
Imho Rod Stewart got better with age
@@Zach-ls1if no he didn't,he sounded great in the 70's,not so good now.
I've been a full-time acoustic solo for 30 years and at 54, I wouldn't trade todays voice for my 24 or 34 year old voice. I can hit higher notes than ever, have a nice rasp to sing CCR, Springsteen, Rod Stewart stuff and a deeper, fuller bottom end...and my vibrato happens effortlessly and automatic where I used to force it. I play 4 hour+ high energy gigs and during the Summer I play over 100 gigs in a row without a day off and sometimes twice a day. Anyway, not bragging as I'm no one famous but I hate when people thing that you just "lose" your voice after a certain age. Depends on your overall health and habits, lifestyle etc. In my experience weed and beer seem to help lol
@@timzauto I didn’t mean better now, but through the decades after the 70’s. Of course this is matter of opinion, and also he covered more material in the 2000’s than ever, so we got exposed to more of his voice. Anyhow, great voice in the 70’s and still a great voice.
Is it just me or does any else like "real" live music. No miming, no auto tune, no pitch correct. Just raw music imperfections and all. If I want to listen to musicians sounding like their studio albums than I will just stay home, instead of spending loads of money on tickets, parking, food, & drink. Having to get the day off of work etc...
It's getting harder to find...But I couldn't agree more.
Omg TOTALLY agree!! If they can sing & play the instruments then go for it!! Who knows....they may improve lol Thats why losing great live performers like Stevie Ray Vaughan is even more tragic 🤘🏻
1000%
Dave Matthews Band is better live and they never do the same set list so ya never know which songs they will do. He's all about live versus studio.
Absolutely!
Such a clear and concise explanation of vocal fatigue! Fil has the ability to explain what’s happening so well. The explanation of pitch correction was also excellent.
Fil is a gem, he knows how to analyze with utmost Respect & expertise 👌🏽
Fil, you are a “musician’s musician” and a terrific human being! Never stop doing what you do. The world needs you bro!
I consider myself fortunate to have seen Bon Jovi live in his prime during the late 80's and early 90's. The power of his voice was mind blowing! You talk about voice fatigue. One of the performances I saw was in pouring rain. His voice powered through perfectly nonetheless.
It's sad that the years seem to have taken a toll on that once mighty voice of his. But it sure hasn't killed the man's passion to rock on! God bless him.
different strokes I guess. I would never consider Bon Jovi a naturally talented elite singer. Certainly a gifted front-man.
We all age. With age comes change. This man should be honored for the charitable work he is doing after having a fabulous music career.
What You said in the intro of this analysis video what set you apart from others on UA-cam. You are an excellent music appreciation teacher of all genre and era of music. 👍🤘 Thanks Fil
Thanks for the kind words!
Fil's an excellent teacher, no doubt about it! He's the BEST! Hope you're feeling better Drew. 🤗
@@cindypowers4993 Hi friend... I am taking each day one by one on the road to recovery. Thanks for brightening up my Friday night I hope all is okay with you. 😊💜✌
@@drewpall2598 Glad to hear that Drew! I am well, thank you! ☮️💙
Steve Miller's comments about the RRHOF (2016 induction) Give him a listen. A cut and paste. When asked to elaborate on his criticisms, he revealed that the whole induction process is "unpleasant" and said "they need to respect the artists they say they’re honoring, which they don't."
Steve Miller really ripped RRHOF a new one that night! It should be re - named The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fraud!
@@markmiwurdz202 ...well you have Janet Jackson in the HOF ...but not Badfinger ??
@@marksc1929 Or Mark Farner and Ted Nugent, I wonder why?
@Sick Squid Or Little Feat, or Blue Oyster Cult? Two bands who have been around for 50 years (or nearing for BOC). The powers - that - be at RRHOF are clueless!
@@sicksquid3258 Nugent doesn't fit their narrative.
"As you can tell by my hair". Lol!
Wonderful video, Fil. Back in the day, I heard artists that astounded me when I heard them sing live, using limited technology: The Hollies with Graham Nash and later Crosby, Stills and Nash, Linda Ronstadt, Andy Williams, Ella Fitzgerald, Liza Minelli, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Three Dog Night, Robert Plant (Led Zep, Central Park, 1969) You simply could not fake it back then...you had to be good. No digital witchcraft.
Ah, you really are such a thoughtful, nice guy, Fil! This could easily have gone to a nasty place. Instead, you’re sympathetic & very informative here. Well done, Fil! Btw, I’ve met Jon & he’s also an extremely nice guy. 👍
Your insight into the challenges that vocalists face during a gruelling tour is an eye opener! I saw Bon Jovi live back in 1987 at Castle Donnington. He was , of course, superb. He even excelled while clambering up the lighting rig!! A great performance by a brilliant band. Thanks Fil for flexing your expertise. Always enjoy your videos. 😊
I saw them that year too. Remember him singing while in a flying rig out over the crowd.
I saw that show. I was stationed there while in the USAF. I remember that all day the bands were more metal. After Dio, I thought Bon Jovi would let me down. But I was impressed.
I too was at that gig and every Monster of Rock after.
Thats when they were young and full of energy..1987 was bon jovis prime
Can remember that and there being more women attending lol
As a Monitor Sound Engineer for live sound I would also like to add that his pitch problem may have been related a monitor mix problem. It is critical that singers hear themselves at a comfortable level and that they can hear the band mix well for pitch cues. A poor monitor mix can ruin a singers performance. That may be in part what happened at this performance. In addition, as singers get older and have fried their ears from years of listening to loud monitors it can be difficult for them to sing on pitch even with a great monitor mix. Not saying the Bon Jovi has hearing problems but if I were a betting man I would bet that his ears are compromised.
I love my personal monitor. I can turn up any vocalist or instrument in my ear buds as I need to. I use the tar out of it for individual songs.
I was on stage as a drummer and my monitor wasn't on first song..I couldn't hear anything..was a disaster...
Although what you say is 100% true and a good live mix/monitor mix can definitely make a great band sound terrible, that's 100% not what's going on with Jon's voice.
He's mainly deaf
WHAT??? sry cant hear you@@1manshtshowandautobodystuf891
Was signed to an independent label in Manhattan, mid 80s. Guess about '86. I wanted to increase my range to belt out higher notes. Reluctantly (my falsetto got a lot of attention) my manager sent me to a vocal coach. Several times in a short period my classes were canceled. While venting about it to another student i learned that our coach had been flying out to different cities around the country. Apparently, one of his students was playing stadiums for the first time and was having some difficulties. A few months later i arrived a bit early for my class and the previous student was just leaving. Ripped jeans, shaggy blond hair. Ahhh! It all suddenly added up.
Saw Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 4 times and every single time they sounded even better live
Saw Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers 4 or 5 times myself, and can attest to that in every way...✌️
I saw them only once, but it was later in Tom’s life, and he sounded wonderful! Tom had a very easy, sustainable singing style, though.
@@kelleyforeman you are spot on. I love Tom and cover his songs regularly. JBJ had a much more demanding and athletic style which would be much more prone to fail under pressure or due to age.
Saw Tom live 3 times and I agree!
Judas Priest was another band that sounded better live too.
Cool story but they don’t have a song in their catalogue which takes the stamina required to sing parts like the chorus to Living On A Prayer.
Fil, I want to address this to you. I've been a subscriber of yours for awhile now. I have learned much while watching your videos. You make music assessable to people like me. I really appreciate your honesty and integrity and background with all the artists you analyze with all types of music. Please keep up the great work.
Thanks for the kind words!
Yes absolutely. Fil, you’re a wealth of talent and knowledge. Love your reviews. Very chill and relaxing demeanor.
He is just like a friend you have but very knowledgeable and having a good talk/discussion with you. Great person and youtuber imo!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Well said!
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Aàaa 🔥 thanks 😊
"That's exactly how I intend to keep things on this channel". I applaud your honesty and integrity and consistency. Plus you strive to be positive about each artist/act. That's why I keep watching your channel. Although I would like to see you occasionally rip into a bad performance and point out the mistakes in a "not so positive" way.
I seen/heard Bon Jovi in the early 80's. Bon Jovi was the warm up band for Van Halen. When Van Halen came on stage, DLR made a comment that they were going to have to step it up to top that performance. I agreed, at that time I didn't even know of the band Bon Jovi . I'm 54 now, then I was only 'bout 14. How time flies on by.
I appreciate what you do. Gives us all a more appreciation of the arts. Including you as well. Brilliant!
I saw Bon Jovi open for Ratt back in the day. anybody even remember Ratt? That night no one had a clue who this Bon Jovi was but they blew Ratt off the stage. After Bon Jovi Ratt‘s performance seemed rather dull. lol lol. Spoiled we were
Jon Bon Jovi will be remembered for the songs he wrote and how he performed them, not for being a great singer.
But he WAS a fantastic singer
Agreed. I was never very impressed by his singing. Certainly not one of the greats. Great frontman, yes. Great vocalist, no. Put him alongside Pail Rogers, Chris Cornell (RIP) or Sammy Hagar in his prime - JBJ wasn’t close. I don’t really buy the excuses on his behalf. I’ve heard other performances where he falls very flat. If the pre-performance talking is the cause, then it suggests a lack of professionalism to me. The great singers in their later years generally prioritise their vocal condition/performance above the media circus.
@@edwardjons8684 Richie was THE singer in the group. Saw him perform Stranger in this Town in a small venue in Red Bank, Nj - Wow!! Incredible experience
@@amagickalmeliss ..Richie covered a LOT of the high notes once Jon could no longer hit them. Now Jon just points the mic at the audience to let them cover it.....Richie's not a bad "scratch" guitar player either :-)
And, for being ridiculously hot.
I enjoy the "imperfections" in a live performance. The music sounds natural and conveys emotion better in my opinion.
Totally agree
Not this many though! For once the pitch corrected version sounded better IMHO.
I agree . Thats what makes every individual performance unique to the listener . The fact that he wasn`t pitch perfect compared to a production recorded version is the value in purchasing a live performance ticket . It`s the soul capturing of the moment and the listeners experience of that moment that makes it special and sets it apart from any other live perfomance of the same song on a different night . That`s what live should be . Any auto/pitch corection live ; then just stay home and listen to the CD . Besides John still sounded pretty good even if some notes were a half tone off ; Any singer would take that live all day long .
Small imperfections are fine but, Jon was so far off it was painful to my ears.
@@don7294 agreed. That wasn't expressive, it was out of tune.
Great job … and so very educational! I totally want to hear my chosen artists “live” and without pitch correction. I’m quite sure Steve Perry with Journey didn’t use and many of the other 70’s rock bands DIDN’T use pitch correction! Thanks, also, for standing up for Jon and pointing out that he had probably done quite a few interviews and had not been able to rest his voice.
I like to look back to the 80s when Bon Jovi made their arrival. And dancing away to living on a prayer at my local nightspot. Great memories.
I have a hunch that even Jon himself wouldn't consider his singing extraordinary. I believe he was more about getting up on stage, rockin' out, singing songs about working class life and entertaining the masses. Sure, he can sing a song. He's great looking, has undeniable charisma, is an excellent front man, the girls go wild over him and he's non-threatening to men. He had a dream and he went for it. What's not to like?
you brought my Thougts to words, thx for that. Besides him beeing an passioned hard working man, not easy for his go along Bandpeople i bet, but that isnt something some is to blame for.
Very well said❤
He can't even sing the song though anymore
@@popland1977 Most people could never have sung it in the first place.
He's 60 and that's what happens to our voices as we age,
he's still great.
@@fourthtunz Huh? Are you off your rocker? Check out Glenn Hughes of Deep Purple fame. He's almost 70 and his vocals are killer live. Age is just a number. Jon can't sing live any more.
JBJ has been struggling with those notes for the better part of 25 years now -- this is not a new development. But, he always had Richie Sambora to help him out when he was having a rough night -- until recently, that is, since Richie has left the band. And the not-so-big secret is that Richie was actually the better vocalist. Soulful with great range, and great harmonies. There's nobody in the band now that has as strong of a voice to back Jon up and it shows.
Have you heard Phil X sing ??? .. he's a better singer than the two of them put together .. with all due respect 🤷♂️
@@alexhowatson I've only heard Phil X live with Bon Jovi and his voice is either buried in the mix or just it's just not that apparent. Or maybe he's just not a good vocal compliment for Jon. I'll have to check out some of Phil's other stuff. With Richie, it's almost a Michael Anthony situation - - you don't realize how much he brings until he's gone.
without Richie they are not the same and not as good.
Nah. 2010-2013 he was ok. 2014 something happened. 2019-21 be can't sing anymore.
@@ticatcrash Yeah, something happened around that time, alright -- Richie left the band. Like I said, Richie and Jon complimented each other exceptionally in the vocal department to point where you sometimes couldn't tell them apart. Which was great when Jon was having a bad night. Once Richie was gone, it was laid bare just how bad Jon's voice had gotten over the years. It didn't happen overnight but if you look around, you'll find that Jon was already avoiding a lot of those high notes in the mid-90's.
As always, thank you for the musical education. And, more importantly, your kindness. From all accounts, Jon Bon Jovi is a good and giving human. No one wants to be remembered for the moments when their voices failed them.
Jon Bon Jovi has absolutely LOST HIS VOICE! Whatever the technical term is does not negate the fact that he’s struggling during every song he sings! Anyone with hearing knows this! I honestly believe that the attempt to have Richie Sambora rejoin the group is a diversion to take the focus temporarily away from Jon’s vocal issues! It’s very sad but, I would say it’s time for Bon Jovi to “hang it up” unless there is some way to resolve his vocal problem!
Yea, I agree.
One of the greatest voices ever in rock is gone. I was shocked last time I saw them. I do believe bringing richie back might help, I don’t hate auto tune for an aging performer , like Brian Wilson in 2012 tour. Loved seeing him and why would you want him to struggle and be embarrassed as he is a genius and if he needed a little help , I’m ok with that.
Maybe it's time but, he could be having vocal problems, lymph node problems, ect. Or a cold or allergies. Sore throat.
I would not write him off just yet.
singers always have off performances or vocal problems. age does not matter.
@@DianeLake-sw3ym Age does matter; voices change. Female mezzo-sopranos become contraltos and male tenors become baritones. Listen to some of the older singers who just can't seem to reach 'those' notes anymore.
He can't get out of the machine 😢
There are rock singers Jon's age whose voices are still in excellent shape, take Tommy Shaw from Styx or Joseph Williams from Toto for example. Jon never had a good vocal technique, which coupled with smoking since the early 90s and near-constant touring from 1985 onward has absolutely shredded his voice.
Bottom line , his voice is shot , kudos many years playing his ass off , don't be ashamed John , call it a day , RIP THE VOICE
Well said...i agree !
🚫😔 Yeah, it's easier for a guitarist or bass player to maintain their talent and sound quality, even when they get older, because their sound emanates from an inorganic musical instrument, which can be replaced or repaired when it wears out. But singers rely on the condition of their organic vocal cords, and you can't just buy new ones at the local Guitar Center!
MANY singers from the early days through the 80s sung their asses off for hours at a time, nightly, without ever being properly taught by vocal coaches on how to sing to preserve their voices.
The most brutal example of a singer destroying his voice, is Tom Kiefer from Cinderella, who were friends with Bon Jovi. He lost his voice way back in the late 80s, during the heyday of his band's career! His vocal cords were mostly paralyzed, and he endured many operations just to partially restore his voice. He also seems like a genuinely down to Earth, good guy(which I kinda can't say about JBJ).
Having said all that, John Bon Jovi annoys me. His band is extremely overrated, and there are other 80s arena rock bands that were WAY better, but who made nowhere near as much money.
might be his hearing is shot.
lol i can attest and its not only the voice that gets shot with age!
THE VOICE? Bon Jovi was never a great technical singer. Unfortunately his bad technique has been catching up with him for years.
Yeah, huge respect to Jon, considering his work schedule and the difficulty of the songs he wasn't too bad all things considered for the non-pitch-corrected version. I remember we used to cover a few Bon Jovi songs back when I played in a classic rock band and our singer who was really good hated the Bon Jovi songs because they were so tough for him. Sometimes when we were rehearsing and gigging a lot he'd get us to skip the Bon Jovi songs in the rehersals so he could let his voice recover a bit, or get us to do Living on a Prayer down a half step so he could face that modulation in the last chorus without dying XD
Fil, a lot of the comments are mentioning old singers needing to give up, which makes me think of the new ABBA album. The vocals by the ladies in their seventies sound not only powerful and accurate, but also very natural to my ears. Particularly the track Bumblebee. Any chance of an analysis? If pitch correction is being used, then it's very good, I'd be fascinated in your findings
I used to work next to an amp repair tech that used "dancing Queen" as his test song. Nothing else, ever. I had to hear it incessantly every day. This is why I think that ABBA should have quit in 1975, and tried for crimes against humanity...
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Joni Mitchell wrote and performed Clouds when she was a teenager. It was brilliant but her performance of the same song in her 60s was sublime.
@@pamwatson5905 and Bowie's Blackstar album could only have been sung by a dying man of his age.
That is because ABBA is ABBA not have ever needed autotune crap they just sing naturally good
I couldn't recognize the song without the pitch correction on the intro...
I can't imagine singing night after night on tour even with a few days gap in between. How hard it must be.
People really need to get off this notion that the human voice is supposed to be perfect at any and all time. The overuse of autotune and pitch correction by the industry have only exacerbated this notion with listener. Not to mention it puts undue pressure on singers themselves for no good reason.
I agree with your point 💯%
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Yes it is. If all recordings done in the studio, carried, let's say, a world recognised logo which signified that the recording had been tuned manually or auto - then maybe, a number of people wouldn't expect perfection at a live gig.
I do think though, that the majority of people know that a live performance will not be the same as an official recording.
@@chrissymoss514 But since they can't say why they really don't know at all. Knowing a thing is being able to explain it to someone else. most people can only say it don't sound right.
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Very true, I hadn't thought of that. But, maybe, having the "logo", denoting auto tune has been used, would indeed indicate to those people that there must be a difference 🤷♀️
@@chrissymoss514 maybe then it would lose meaning like free range or organic. It's a good idea.
Really admire how Fil can accurately describe something; ie auto tune, almost pulling the words out of thin air , to make something easy to understand.
Just watched the 4-part Jon Bon Jovi series on one of the streaming services (in Australia) - I want to say Disney+ but could have been Amazon Prime. It covers this period I think. It must be very hard and emotionally very challenging when the thing you've relied on and have been known for for so long starts to let you down.
According to the series, it was vocal cord atrophy I think, which happens as we age. I'm pretty sure this hall of fame moment was before his corrective surgery, while he was struggling with it. Which would explain the vocal fatigue, which is a symptom (along with reduced volume and some other things).
To be honest, I was never really into Bon Jovi, though I liked a couple of their songs, but I really appreciate your thoughtful and considerate approach to this analysis Fil. In my opinion it took real guts for Jon to get up there knowing his voice wasn't really up to it, and still manage a decent approximation to the song.
Growing up I was a huge Bon Jovi fan went to several concerts the whole bit... but it was because I liked Bon Jovi..n most of the bands songs...but I never really thought that jon had a wonderful or exceptional vocal voice. He's ok.. there's better there's worse. He just worked well in the band BC the ladies LOVED HIM. 😏👍 still do love him! BC he's a good person hubby dad... Is BEAUTIFUL. THAT SMILE ALWAYS GETS ME !!!! He's quite a man of class in his later years here.
exactly agree
@@ltejle 🎀👍
Richie sang far better than Jon ever did. What Jon had was incredible stage presence and charisma. A true frontman and the songs he wrote were unmatched. Richie was so boring on his own but fit perfectly next to Jon.
The real truth is that many artists aren't as good live (or were ever good live) than they are in the studio. Studio tracks are many takes and you're creating a record for a lifetime of listening. It has to be treated that way. Live performances should reflect the meaning and attitude of the song and don't need to be perfect or close to perfect. Especially from artists that are 40 years into their career and aging like we all do...
Elvis Presley aside
I've seen many concerts in the past 40 years (John Denver, Elton John, Cliff Richard, America, The Police, Demis Roussos, Fleetwood Mac, Don McLean, The Jackson 5, Gene Pitney, and many more - some multiple times) and every performance has sounded as great as their records.
Going to concerts costs a fortune these days so it'd be an insult for the artist to pretend.
Where there is talent there's ability to perform live.
I've seen him live 3 times - his voice has severely deteriorated in the last few years. Back in the day, he sounded as good as the recordings. Richie has always been my fave but I can admit he sounds better doing back up vocals than he does taking the lead, so I'm not being unfairly biased. Jon needs to retire.
JBJ was very consistent, live, for many, many years. Sounded as good, live, as the original recording.
jon was good live, hes killed his voice. He needs to get some vocal therapy if he wants to carry on. Man be struggling its a shame to see/hear.
The chorus for Livin’ on a Prayer, Jon hasn’t sung the ‘response’ half live for years, even 20+ years ago on that part of the chorus he always held the mic out to the crowd. Obviously at RnR HOF they used the backing track to fill that space because the crowd wouldn’t have been anywhere near the size that Bon Jovi play to on an actual tour date. I think I heard somewhere he wore his voice down or completely blew it out back in the late 80s/early 90s and made the decision not to sing those high belts anymore?
I also noticed he tends to miss the first word of a line, it’s very obvious on the first verse of YGLABN he was skipping the first word on every line.
I like how this guy is so fair and explains why Jon is out. I would consider myself blessed if i had a few friends like him.
One thing that we must remember. We usually don’t know the singer’s personal lifestyle. Have they been heavy smokers, did they use drugs, did they drink a lot of alcohol, did they spend a lot of time singing in a range that was stretching their vocal cords to the max, did they develop sinus/allergies or other medical issue? Or, did they spend their career taking care of their vocal cords? Seeing specialists to make sure they were the recommended care by their vocal coaches?
Whitney Houston was one of the most amazing vocalists. So was Mariah Carey (though I didn’t like her style). By what I understand they both smoked and Whitney used drugs. With that lifestyle they lost some of their range. A God given gift to not take the utmost care to maintain. I am amazed Steven Tyler can still hit some of the notes - but is he?
This is THE example I’d give a non-musician to do an eyes closed test. I, personally, believe a casual listener could distinguish the two on this one.
Absolutely. These two are completely different.
Casual listener here, can't tell the difference 😂 I can see it in the waveforms, as there's the visible lines to compare it to, but still can't hear the difference. It's like my brain immediately forgets what it just heard when the other version starts 😆
I did hear it in the video where Fil autotuned Freddie Mercury, but only when the effect was immediate. The more subtle versions are just too subtle for me. I need to really know a song so well that I know exactly what to expect, only then can I tell if something's off.
@@durabelle Admire the honesty 😂. Interesting point of bouncing between the two, but try closing your eyes on just the first example he plays. I do wonder if I’d have any clue prior to picking up guitar and vocals 15 years ago ha. Bon Jovi’s still a legend in my book!
Hey Fil, I'd be really interested to hear your Pitch analysis of Patsy Kline singing almost anything. She's such a great example of expressive and musical application of non diatonic tones. She slides around all over the place and it sounds great, but may look disordered on screen.
Whaddaya think?
God I love her. Never really occurred to me that she used glissandos all over the place but now you say it I realise how true that is. I’ll never unhear it now. 🧐
Love to see you analyze the various voice stylings of Paul McCartney. His range was amazing from Lady Madonna to Here,There & Everywhere.
Nice job here Wings of Pegasus. You called it down the middle my friend. Let the good times roll!
It's crazy how much music integrity we've lost over the years. Respect to Bon Jovi for going out there and doing it honest.
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Maybe I'm missing something but what was honest?
Honest? Lmao.
John can’t hit the high notes for years, not much to do with interviews. His voice just endured a lot of wear and tear during the years, it is what it is.
Absolutely agree also the voice tends to deepen a bit as you age.
Range is not a main problem in Jon's case. Breathing is. And also his tone is f up now. He can't control his voice. In fact, the quality of his high tones are better than singing plain simple mid/low voice line.
How about Tom Jones' voice then? Or Dolly Parton's, Barbra Streisandt's? Genetics? Better technique? Less booze?
@@arturama8581 saw Tom Jones very recently, his voice is very fit for a man his age, yes it’s altered slightly but he has adapted how he performs to sound almost like he did 40, 50years ago. Rod Stewart is another good performer who has adapted well. What Fil has said is spot on mind, vocal fatigue will play a big part in any performance.
Maybe he should quit smoking
This happens when one is using and straining vocal cords as a touring singer would be doing. I love Jon Bon Jovi for his talent, of course, and all the music, but mostly for what one reads about the man and philanthropist he is.
...overusing and not properly maintaining...
Also in the 80's he would get too many corticosteroids injected in his neck and overuse of his vocalcords caused them to deteriorate. Can't rely on Richie Sambora for co harmonies. I'm a Bon Jovi fan but his voice is toast.
I'm a huge Bon Jovi fan as well and it is very sad what has happened to his voice. Ken Tamplin also did a video about Jon's voice recently and he said Jon could actually get some of if not most of his voice back if he worked with a good vocal teacher to strengthen and rehab his vocal chords and muscles along with a few other things. I really wish Jon would reach out to Ken to work on repairing his voice and wouldn't be some awesome content if he allowed it to be filmed into a documentary of sorts and then we could all see the resurrection of his voice.
That sort of a documentary would be really interesting and why wouldn't it help other singers too?
I hope he will do something for his voice
I just watched this video. I was at the greenville sc show past Monday. Great show but Jon's voice sounded tired. He still put on a great show tho. He's in great shape, at least that's what my wife told me lol.
@@toneleudy He's older, no ways he's gonna sound the same. I gotta say that "Bad medicine" is one of the worst songs I've ever had the misfortune to hear. No insult to Bon Jovi fans intended.
Yeah, BUT how does anyone “know” WHAT Jon has done..or hasn’t done to help his voice? In reality, we don’t know if Jon ‘THINKS’ anything is “wrong” with his voice..could be he’s JUST tired..really.
These videos are showing that these technologies, although often overused, can have benefits. The correction here has been well done, as Fil says. And whilst it can often remove expression to the detriment of the song, here the corrected version sounds much better. These tools can be used well, and this is an example.
I do love your work - it is a fantastic insight into not only the processes themselves but also where and when they are helpful. I still would love to see someone such as Pavarotti singing, say, Nessun Dorma. This is not just about whether he hits the notes, or perhaps rather how quickly he hits the notes, but, given the software you use, it would fascinating to see what makes his signing voice so special. Your comments would be incredibly helpful. Thanks again for your work.
Must be a difficult thing for a successful artist to lose a good amount of his/her ability to perform. I grew up in the era when Bon Jovi were at their biggest (graduated HS in 88). I was into most hard rock/hair metal bands, but they weren't one of my favorites. Nothing against them, but they were a bit pop for my taste. I believe he's been struggling with his voice for several years now. I saw a video a few years back in which he was attending a wedding as a guest and the wedding band was doing a cover of Living on a Prayer. They hounded him to come up and sing alongside the female singer. He was very reluctant, but probably didn't want to come across as a tool, so he obliged them. It was pretty rough. Hard not to feel for him because by all accounts I have ever heard, JBJ is a very good guy.
I love this guy, he has been my music hero since the day I saw him in concert in Detroit singing Dead or Alive in 1986 . He has brought a lot of joy to my life. Thanks John !!!
I think you’ve been very fair to all the artists you’ve analyzed, as you intended. Thank you.
I'm so glad you talked about vocal rest and exhaustion and the challenges of touring and interviews. It's clear listening to him that he was tired.
I guess there's an implication that it's improper to use vocal modification software in live performances. The reality is that the voice has been modified since the introduction of electronics, and before that, in the acoustic design of performance venues. This is why opera singers sing the way they do to be clearly heard in an opera house or concert hall above an orchestra - because they (usually) don't use amplification because they're representing the raw voice and a time where that was the only option. The formants in opera singers have harmonics way above instruments. The introduction of the microphone and amplification allowed singers to sing very differently because they didn't have to compete with their accompaniment and fill a room with their voice and that dramatically changed popular music.
In the end, it's about entertainment and creating good music. We can admire perfect spectacular singing and also musical artistry that moves us. After all, that's the purpose of music. The lines are blurring and perhaps that's okay. It's not all about athleticism. It's only an issue if an artist is misrepresenting themselves.
The state of music industry is so sad. You are probably never going to hear the true music anymore. Plus, older singers need to know when to hang it up.
As long as they are a big concert draw, and there is a big demand for their voices and songs, why SHOULD they "hang it up?"
The fact that the demand is there at all means that your opinion of older singers knowing "when to hang it up" is in a small minority. Try telling that to Tom Jones, Willy Nelson, or a plethora of singers who are quite old, and still have superb voices. The listening public, and concert-goers, decide when it's time to "hang it up," and I see no reason to change that.
“Real” music will revive via small groups in small revues, where was “real” had be heard for real.
Just saw Bon Jovi in Omaha....their 2022 tour kick-off concert. Man, I love Bon Jovi...was an EXTREMELY cool dude, great band, great hair, and I loved growing-up listening to them! Having said that, I would rate the concert as a D+. Jon looks old, vocals were bad, and at least half of the songs were "new"...NO ONE new them (fairly bad songs too)! People were on their phones, using the restrooms, yawning, (saw one guy watching UA-cam). I just wish to God that I would have seen them 20, 25, 30-years ago in their prime!!! Jon needs to retire and go out on top!
Agree
Ah man, that might be even worse than never seeing them at all. I've also wished I could go back and see them and others in their prime.
I'm not a musician but the basic issue I see with Bon Jovi these days is they sound nothing at all like fans would be expecting.
No artist actually performing live sounds exactly like the studio recording but with any other band I've seen the concert does have the same overall sound. If it's a hard rock band in the studio then it's a hard rock band live. Same with any genre. When it's over everyone leaves happy that they got roughly what they were expecting.
In contrast, Bon Jovi live now sounds like a country singer doing a lot of music you've never heard. I don't want to be harsh, and I've been a fan since the 80's, but it's going to upset many simply because it's nothing at all like those familiar with their music would be expecting.
I saw Bon Jovi 30 years ago at red rocks in Denver. It was absolutely amazing, and it didn't hurt that we got the front row :-) i've seen them a total of four times over a 15 year span they've been a great band for a very long time but I don't think it is shameful if they retired. You can't be expected to go out there and give the same performance for 40 or 50 years. Give the guy a break. Let The band retire.
@@nogames8982 - I agree 100%. ALL good things must come to an end!
Interesting stuff. I'm not a fan of Bon Jovi, but recognize their talent. When I was still gigging with an original music group, we as a band always made sure we stayed the whole night, made sure we encouraged our fellow local acts as well as the traveling bands, applauding after every song, not because we necessarily LIKED everyone's songs, but appreciated their efforts and recognized their talent even if we didn't sync musically. For context, we were an Americana Rock band heavily influenced by Punk and Progressive Rock (weird, I know) and mostly played shows with Metal bands and Alternative bands with wide-ranging sounds/styles. There needs to be less unhealthy competition (as opposed to healthy competition) and more camaraderie with musicians, especially in the original music space.
I was in a band for a while and it was a band rule that we showed early and encouraged the acts that came before us and we stayed after to encourage those that came after. We were never thanked or even acknowledged. and that's fine, it was just supporting others who are willing to get up there and give it a go.
@@diegooland1261 that's great! I'll thank you 👍👏
Great comment! I was just talking to my cousin in another state who is also a musician... We were talking about how caustic a LOT of musicians are nowadays... Very little camaraderie and a LOT sniping... Petty shit and jealousy really.... Terrible...
As a singer for close to 50 years I have definitely noted changes in my pitch control, range, and endurance.
I have had to adjust and reinvent how I sing. The difference is that the pros have a body of work that they are outliving and nature will not allow them to continue to sing their catalogue the way they're used to so they turn to the available technology for help. I can get away with changing a key or skating around a note....they don't have that luxury.
Well said. And wise insight.
In Bon Jovi's defense; it is now learned that he had an issue with his vocal chords after years of singing. He needed sugery. I know this was probably posted years before anyone knew....
I agree amigo.
I've never been much of a Bon Jovi fan, but I have heard about his vocal struggles in more recent years. In all fairness, this is a natural struggle for most people. You can't expect them to sound the same decades later. Unfortunately, Autotune and Pitch Correction are a standard part of audio production. Old School singers have had to give into this because their imperfections wouldn't be considered marketable. I prefer to hear the human side, blemishes and all. Great upload, great analysis!
Jon never stops performing. He really should take a break. Cut down on the packed touring schedule. Give his voice a chance to recover between shows. Would give a bit more longevity.
he should have never sang, let someone else handle the vocals. Problem solved.
Out of the 1000 or so live shows I've seen, only a handful of them had spot-on vocals... back in the day. These days, if they're actually singing live at all, it's a bonus. I've seen Bon Jovi a number of times in different venues, and they were always a tight act. The older you get, the harder it is to sing, especially for males (from hair bands). Add interview after interview, show after show, and your pipes are thrashed. I'm sure they chose to correct this in post well before the performance happened. Since he was so off, auto-tune would have completely destroyed his vocals live. His choice to sing live is an integrity move! Cheers!
Spot-on analysis Fil!!! Keep up the great work!!!!
Thats because they don’t know how to properly preserve their voices. Vocal coach Ken Tamplin explains exactly why this happens with so many vocalists and how they could have avoided the damage.
I've been to many c9ncerts and only a few where trash live. And I started going in the early 80s, the last one was ZZ Top's 50th anniversary and they were pretty awesome. Opening act was Cheap Trick, they had sound issues when the sound was up they were very good.
You can't expect perfection but you should expect the to at least be on key and actually live instead of using sampling or autotune .
Love your channel❤You absolutely did this in the most loving & classy way. 👏 ❤Some of our youth do not realize how manipulated some of their favorite artist have been. There seems to be a massive abuse of autotune & voice manipulation, which is not true music in my opinion, but what do I know🤔?
Your explanation is well said and spot on. Bon Jovi along with other greats are destroying their legacy, probably because, nobody is telling them that they are terrible now. These singers like John were a great source of inspiration and I looked forward to a exciting future, but now they do the complete opposite and I cringe and get depressed at what happens when you get old. I don’t think, wow it’s inspirational that John and other old singers are still doing what they love, its like watching my grandpa up there and it’s weird. It’s very depressing to me, I can’t watch these guys anymore.
Fil, I appreciate the way you always approach these analysis videos, with tact, understanding, and transparency. Along with your breakdown skills, including situational analysis and impacts, we get to look beyond the results, whether good, bad, or ugly. Anyone who has not played live events cannot fully understand the many things that have to go right to get as close to perfect as possible, including the venue, the tech support & sound and so much more. Thank you Sir!
I recall like a cruel punishment, the time I was talked into going to a Bon Jovi show at Fenway Park by a few girls. Front row, dead center. Sold out. 18,500 fans. 6 of them, male. Me being one. Ordinarily, one would say “Heaven on earth Randy!”. Indeed, iff’n it were not for the fact that it was a Bon Jovi show with Nickleback opening with a 45 minute set. When BJ took stage, the 3rd song into the setlist were the keyboard opening notes to Runaway. That was it. I looked at my girl posse and said straight out, “I, I just can’t. There’s no way I can do this.” Split and met them back at the hotel later. They didn’t care. It was worse than Meatloaf, and I’m not talking my wife’s.
So funny! They are not my cup of tea either. I went to a small biker festival and the main band was a BJ tribute band playing in a barn, on a farm in rural Ireland. They had ridiculous over the top costume changes, Lazer light shows and dry ice. Most of the crowd,who were European tourists, loved it....it was painful for me and I remember they played one song 3 times over the evening!!! Don't ask me which one, I don't want any flash backs😂😂😂 It was definitely a gig I will never forget. You were so wise to get out,I had no car and was in the middle of nowhere.
This how I would have felt going to a Rush concert! Screaming out about a salesman or something.... Yikes !!!
@@RA82828 That's a real original comment. You're likely as much fun yourself.
Meatloaf picked me up hitchhiking years ago .... was very nice ... and quite surprised I had no idea who he was .... I said to him ... your mother named you "meatloaf"
@@lucyhill512 His shows are horrifyingly bad.
So here’s the thing. I have been listening to Bon jovi since I can remember. I FINALLY got to see Bon jovi live in there last uk visit and Coventry before covid hit. Having waited all of my life to see the band live, when Jon first started singing I was kind of gutted to hear just how terrible his voice is now. I had to basically forget what I was hearing to enjoy the concert
Shizzit happens. But I know the feeling when you like a group so much and you see them live and things aren't what you expected. I saw Led Zeppelin twice. The first time all 4 of them drew goose pimples. So good. Years later....Page was playing as though all of his fingers broken. And Plant was wasted. So I just focused on John Paul Jones. What a shredder...
He was never a good singer, but he had the hair that girls loved!
80s rock was notorious for studio magic in the choruses with stacked vocals. Bon Jovi did it better than most live because Ritchie Sambora could actually sing and they had a keyboard player as a fulltime band member.
You shouldn't feel bad Phil, you want to Hear Jon knock it out of the park, youre routing for him that he does.... the song is what 35 years old.... Jon had always sang at the top of his voice, blown it out, kept pounding on it night after night for about 4 decades... he got caught lip syncing awhile back and stopped doing it.. it's nice to know he's still trying to be honest with the fans. I'd like to think the pitch correction was the doing of the Hall and not a request of Jon's...the entire night was probably pitch corrected for its TV release.
I remember reading an article years ago about Bono and how stressful it was for the crew that tuned the band's instruments because they had to wait until Bono gave them instructions (usually at the last minute), because of what condition his voice was in that particular day.
Just read the sad news that Alec John Such, died today at age 70, with Jon Bon Jovi, was one of the founding members of the group and played bass from (1983-1994) Rest in Peace Alec John Such November 14, 1951 - June 5, 2022, Thanks for being a part of the early years with the band.
Raise all the hopes of everyone you see. phil you are the gentleman of the business & encourage the best performance from everyone you see, meet & & hear.
That was very interesting and once again I learned more about music in one of your videos then I have in my entire life. Thank you for sharing.
I do love this channel. You’re so good at what you do, and your delivery is stellar. Well done on this channel.
I am not a musician. I have no perfect pitch, or even a sense of rhythm, but i love how you break things down. I don't know why anyone would want pitch correction. To me this is like using a photograph to correct the works of Leonardo.
Fil, you are a true gentlemen! You are always very considerate with all of the talents that you analyze. I agree with several people who commented that anyone, if you sing long enough, can have an off day or for some an off week. We all age differently and so do our voices. I also agree with the people that commented on ELVIS and JANIS JOPLIN. Sadly, neither of them really had to face the hands of time. They did not have the opportunity! But in my heart of hearts, I truely believe that both of their voices would have endured a full lifetime. ELVIS sometimes would do 2 shows in the morning and maybe one longer one at night when he was in Vegas. Heavens, that would kill anybody! I loved them both! I think that ELVIS still sounded good throughout 1976. I can't bring myself to watch anything from 1977. He still sounded good but looked like he was in so much pain. However, I believe that ELVIS, given the opportunity, would never have wanted his voice altered in anyway. I actually wish that auto tune or anything that would take away the authenticity of any voice had never been invented. A beautiful song or voice is a GOD given talent and it almost feels like an imitation or a little cheat when auto tune or improvements are made. As always Fil, you are always spot on and I really enjoy your very authentic reactions. Stay true, we all love you!
Good stuff my man. Thanks for keeping it real and not covering for musicians just because you like them.
I had never heard of auto tune until I started watching you. Fascinating stuff.
Here 2022, please review ANY video from his current tour… from day 1 it’s clear that his voice is SHOT!!!
His poor control, timing, vibrato, power and gasping for air are so compromised that it has literally no resemblance to the classic sound we’re accustomed!!
My personal theory having seen him struggle thru the past 5ish yrs and considering his current level of vocal and lung impairment ….
that his career long habits of alcohol, smoking and not taking proper care of his “instrument” has caused severe damage to his singing abilities.
It’s horrible and I’m embarrassed for him and perplexed to think he feels capable to tour and perform at his professional skill level, when he certainly cannot!!
Give me your professional opinion on his current status! Thanks ☺️ 🤘🤘
I too would like to hear your view on the tour. Is Jon hanging out for his 40th anniversary final tour? To be harsh, it's a cash cow but many fans are saying they can't bear to go after hearing this last tour in US. I'm a mega fan, seen BJ over 50 times, but I'm not prepared to pay huge amounts if his voice is going to be bad. To be honest 2019 was already bad but we were there for a night of escapism and sing a long. Is there anything he can do to help his voice or is it his hearing? Thanks
He's getting older now and he just cant sound as he did when he was younger.
@@xScooterAZx yes not that old, he’s sounded like this for 5 years and I can name 25 of his peers who’re a decade older and have zero issues singing AND holding a note.
His “issue” is his own and isn’t addressing the obvious because it’s admitting he’s got a problem that isn’t going away and that career is toast… instead he keeps the $$$ train going for long as people are paying
@@shizzle7642 Jeez,..kinda harsh there.
@@xScooterAZx sometimes the truth is harsh and some people can’t swallow it unless it’s candy coated.
Perfect analysis, as always , Fil !!!! Thank you so much for all you do 🎵🎶🎶🎵🎶🎵🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟You rock !!!!👍😁🌟❤️
Thousands of gigs have taken they’re toll on his voice and live there is nowhere to hide. Great singer in his time but respectfully think he’s worn out his top end especially 🙏
My father had an incredible tenor voice, but over time, he was missing the notes. It was grueling for me, because I didn't understand why. So now he is almost completely deaf and now I know what was going on. Jon is now in the age group where hearing is effected. Sad, but it could be hearing as well as vocal cords completely fatigued.
That maybe, but also a number of rock bands have detuned by a a half step to make things easier and meatier. Since it's apparently exactly 1/2 step off it could be that is the case and by this time he is "programmed mentally" to repeat that. Or maybe it's the old " the sound man can make you or break you" and his monitor mix was not good for him. Rock on John !
@@labelzmusicchannel9270 half a tone drop on guitar is no big deal, but much harder on pichted clean vocals...that chest / headvoice bridge note...
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’ve heard many singers have the same issue with finding the notes. It didn’t seem as much he couldn’t get up there as he couldn’t tell where to go. I’m wearing $10K worth of hearing aids, but on a bad day I can’t tell Rick James from Earth Wind And Fire!
Everybody knows the now legendary Freddie Mercury Tribute concert, but how many of you remember watching it live? I do, and I still have my VHS copies. (Fil, maybe I can send you a copy for your analysis). It was absolutely horrible, and we were all talking about it the next day about how it totally failed to be a fitting tribute. With the exception of George Michael, almost everyone else struggled to sing Queen songs. Later, when the concert was officially released on DVD, I bought a copy to have a better quality/fidelity. To my surprise, I was shocked at how much it had been pitch corrected (or even re-recorded in some cases).
I saw it live (on tv). George brilliant, paul young ok, lisa stansfield ok, bowie ok. But rest wasn't that good. In my memory brian may completely ruined the solo on Somebody to Love but in all released material it sounds perfect.
The band Extreme knocked it outta the park though at the tribute.
I was there. Robert plant wasn't the best, neither was Paul Young. Elton John was appalling.
As someone else has already said, Extreme were incredible!
live is “live”. most listeners don’t care and any seasoned band will just go with changes, the beauty of musicianship,
I find all this kinda stuff fascinating. Thank you for putting these balanced reviews out there on UA-cam. What a professional.
Appreciate what you're doing -- removing the smoke and mirrors dividing unaltered human voices from digitally altered ones.
I was lucky enough to work for Polygram International in London in the 90s. I worked with Jon and the band and toured with them throughout Europe and Sth Africa . They were lovely and had a SUPER professional crew as well. Jon is extremely intelligent and a great person.
I just hope he’s ok ! I went to see him in Tampa this year and it was obvious he was struggling with his voice but honestly It didn’t matter it was still Amazing to see him live after 35 years ❤ I will always love Bon Jovi I just hope he’s ok !
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