Getting rid of halq and ruler is a decent tear hit. The deck itself isn't broken it's the stuff it mills and what it can go into that's the problem. The deck feels fairly mid range with the cards in archetype. The only card in the deck that feels truly broken is the card that mills from hand turn 0.
@@deadlineuniverse3189 Punk tear was not the strongest tear version. PUNK was basically the third strongest "deck" or at least central engine of the other strong decks really not a hit to tear at all. like maybe they abused snow more than punk decks but I'd even doubt that
Really glad Konami made us wait for this absolutely wonderful list! They really managed to address all the problems with the format, and totally didn't just pave the way for Tearlaments to steamroll every other deck!
What are you talking about, Shooting Riser Dragon to 3 bro!!!1! For real though, this is one of the most underwhelming lists I’ve seen, and we had to wait extra long for it. Thanks Konami, can’t wait to play Cyberjar-Turbo versus full-power Tearlaments!
Dante may be the hide and seek champion, but mystic mine is standing in the living room wearing a lampshade over its head and konami still can't find and execute it
@@reservationatdorsias3215 That’s basically the only way Mine is getting banned - if Maxx C is freed. While Master Duel means I don’t mind Maxx C as much - at least I can still play the damn game under it - at this point both are somewhat necessary evils. Until Konami decides, idk, Master Rule 6 is a hard reset or something equally unlikely…
Well at least with Halq gone, you can’t just summon wonder magician for free to pop scythe then synchro into barrone. Now you need more dedicated main deck ways to trigger scythe as long as they don’t make DPE super accessible again.
I legitimately can't get excited for this banlist There's so much they didn't address, and some choices are so questionable (like red reboot and cyber jar), that they outweight the very good like halq
@@FatherDak I do agree it's generally too strong depending on the format, but in these times with mystic mine legal you want a way to negate that solemn, and now we don't have it (I think, alternatives?)
Sad to see Halq gone since it was the only thing keeping my shitty rogue deck alive but can't say it wasn't broken, the writing's been on the wall for a while.
"Okay, so we can clearly see that Spright and Tearalament are big problem decks. How should we deal with them, John?" *BUUUUUUUUUUUURP* "Ronintoadin to 0, Substitoad to 1" "... okay, and Tearalament?" "Who really caaaaaares, just get rid of that fucking Chaos dragon. That'll show 'em" "... the Synchro? Do they even use that?" "Like, oooooooonce, maybe twiiiiiiiiiiice" "Alright. And now, for the issue of Mystic Mi- and he already clocked out"
@@angeldust9090 According to the TCG metagame report on YGOProDeck from 5 days ago, 14 of the top 32 decks at YCS Niagra were Spright decks Another 12 were Tearlament, half of which were running Spright engines
I remember Yu-Gi-Oh before a banlist, and this is one of the worst banlists I've ever seen in the entire game's existence. Jfc they literally could've hit Halq, Mine, and Scythe, and that would've been a better way to balance the game over hitting frogs. Konami acts like the one niche frog combo is a problem when we still have Mystic Mine at x3
On top of barely touching tearlament, which was already arguably the best deck in the format... This game is going to be really unfun for a few months, huh
@@GreyVictory1510 It only hits Spright that runs toads, which while is hit, doesn’t have any impact on Adventure Spright and the other combos people are running. Plus Tearlament tends to be a much bigger problem than Spright Frog imo
Hitting halq means hitting the relevant scythe/halq combo you dumbass, also all spright lists ran toad and toad was the biggest threat in that deck it wasn't "niche" as your casual ass describing it to be lol. The only thing they missed is mystic mine and obviously they wont hit tear because its a new deck idk why people aren't used to this idea already ffs
well its official im done following the banlist, im done with tcg format im just gonna play for fun with my cards i payed for wether theyre baned or not
I think this game genuinely sucks now. Konami just loves their cards that just prevent interaction and fun gameplay. Love that Artifact Scythe, Dimensional Barrier, Mystic Mine, and Super Polymerization are still legal for some reason. Love that the literal only counter to Dimensional Barrier was banned. This list is so bad, calling it garbage is an insult to garbage.
I think the Spright engine should just be like limiting Elf and Gigantic then semi limited Blue Jet and Starter rather than keep hitting the frog package I know it not a big of a deal but I think consistentcy hit I think is just enough to slow down a bit.
The sad thing is that they wouldn't do that because POTE is still realitivly new and Konami is greedy and wants to get people to buy their new products.
"Where was Scythe?" Most of the issues people had with Scythe were with Dagda + Halq, since Dagda sets Scythe and then Halq can tag out into Wonder Magician to pop the Scythe to Quick Synchro into Baronne. Without Halq, you're forced into R4NKS to pop Scythe via Tornado Dragon if you're that Desperate for a Scythe Lock. Or you're playing Sanctum; which can just be outright stopped anyway.
You do realize that Konami just killed every Tier 1 in MD that *isn’t* Branded Despia, right? It was prior to the new list: SS-Tenyi, Adventure-Tenyi, Adventure-Prank, and Despia. Then they Banned Halq, and hit two of the Adventure engine. The closest thing we’ve got to a consistent contender versus Branded-D is SS-Tenyi w/ Droplets and a play set of Rivalry of Warlords. MD or TCG, Konami’s squeezing out one alternative to their newest cards after another.
R.I.P Chaos Ruler, it'll always be one my favorite synchros but it was also just a little too powerful. It might be able to come back later considering how well teir is milling (copium)
I stopped playing the game during 2016 and waited a lot for this list to come back and play competitive. Mystic Mine being at 3 and tear starting to become tier 0 won't make me spend money on a game I won't enjoy. The lack of communication from Konami on top of the other issues such as short prints and not hearing feedback from the community is absurd at this point.
I feel so mixed on this banlist. On one hand they hit spright hard and banned halq, but on the other hand they didn't ban the most toxic card in the format(Mystic mine) and didn't hit tear at all, so it looks like we're getting a tier 0 tear format bois.
Mystic Mine not being banned is hilarious in the banlist where they finally got Halq. The two aren't related but I'm sure plenty of people would trade a mine ban for Halq going free
The only way Mystic Mine is eating a ban is if Konami decides they want to free Maxx C. They want cards like that to exist to “reign in Combo.” Personally, I’d rather deal with Maxx C, at least with it I can still play the damn game
Maxx C is probs just as, if not more toxic than mystic mine. Both do shutdown your turn. Yea you can “still play” under maxx C but the trade-off is not worth giving your opponent 20 cards
the absurd part is, that all the combos deck are playing mystic mine too, so why play a deck that focuses on control that can’t otk, when you can play an otk deck that plays mystic mine too
@@evcurls416 I’m admittedly an outlier, I prefer playing more control-midrange ish decks - sure, it still means Maxx C might as well read “Pot of Greed”, but I don’t like to over commit to summoning a full board. I might just be old.
Alright bois, you know what this means. Prepare for another 6 months of 3x Mystic Mine being sided into every single deck in existence! ~durrr just draw the out durrr~
I'm so relieved that Konami banned Mystic Mine. I was very worried that they weren't gonna touch it after seeing that it's been such a problematic and toxic card for so long now.
It usually takes Konami 4-5 banlists to address the community’s wishes. I feel like there’s been a rise in the push for mystic mine being banned over the last couple formats. We’ll get there in 2 more years boys. *cries self to sleep*
Well time to move to Magic the Gathering. I own one deck and it's D-Link. Such an idiot list. Mystic Mine is a way more bigger problem than Chaos Ruler
@@jsahm38 Nah, Ruler is ovverated now that P.U.N.K. is dead as an engine. Literally only hit T2 and rogue decks that couldn't even abuse it properly, like Dlink or Synchron. Like, how would a deck that can abuse it like Tears, for example, even summon it without P.U.N.K.?
@@Marcusjnmc requires investing a third of your deck into an engine that does nothing on mill too. I thought about it tho, and with Curious still legal then yeah Ruler needs to stay banned. Mills + 2 bodies for free is just stupid with that card around. Then again imo Curious would've been just a far better hit. Ruler wouldn't be the problem if it only added a Masque into Uni to the endboard in exchange for a way more fragile combo.
I'll say this much about Cyber Jar at minimum it has potential maybe doing something if it can find a home for it. As if it can be set from deck. or be used in other ways it's a solid way to force out things and force hand traps to be summoned. Hardest thing is there's not a lot of printings and thanks to goat it's a bit more expensive. but I'd say it's more of a "wild card" coming off the list.
It can be searched with cybernetic horizon which makes him pretty easy to add to your hand and there's plenty of ways to flip him face up so I can see some meme decks using it
@@gabrielhoelzle8476 I don't know the modern meta as much but it's still a solid card. As I said it's the type of card that is a bit of a "wild card" because it's hard to tell in the modern game because it's been banned for so long and there's a lot more things it's effect can do in the game now.
It could be fine if we were in a different format. You legit are making your opponent go +5. Even though hand traps died down we still have many board breakers that you could just be running into.
@@gabrielhoelzle8476 Oh yea I forgot cyber jar haven't seen it in awhile. the only one you may have to worry abt is imperm. Still a basically +5 for the opponent is prob not the best.
I’m glad spright is getting hit, snow honestly hasn’t given that many problems in my opinion. Love to see mystic mine still alive just to make meta players cry
tear barely got touched even though it is performing better than spright. Reboot hit is good, but putting appointer at 1 has similar problems to reboot at 1. snow, halq and magical ruler hits are good. You can't loop substitoad with ronin anymore but I don't get why you would bring it back in the first place tbh. And of course no fucking mine ban, which makes this list immediately garbage.
O-Lion: It was revenge for tuner goodstuff abuse, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. Toadally Awesome was a made man and Halq wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was among the copers. It was real grease ball shit. They even shot NeedleFiber in the face so his mother couldn't give him an open coffin at the funeral.
Most synchro decks are probably malding with the halq ban but the level 4 mathmech tuners ( read all of the tuners) are just chilling making big boi’s ( sorry if rude)
"Synchro" decks when they can no longer summon almost any material from deck with no restrictions because they made a link-2. (this is devastating to their sky striker synchro plays)
@@engiopdf8745 Honestly, the loss of Chaos Ruler was significantly worse. It basically ruined Z-ARC Turbo (effectively making Pendulum Magician super bricky as well), RDA, literally any rogue deck that required PUNK engine to stay even remotely playable
well i guess it's time to get some mines for my marincess deck, with snow and toad being no more and mine still there thats a huge buff to marincess. it already wasn't that far of from being a good deck but now they really made it to easy for me.
Thought they were paving the way for dark worlds/bysteeds to come in since eradicator didnt get hit. But indirectly hitting splights hurts a lot. Now, tearalaments and anti meta is gonna run the format. And so is mystic mine....AGAIN
"The jig is up. The news is out. They finally found me!" - Halq
The renegade, who had it made, was took for a bounty.
Pend best deck!
Never more to go astrayyy
"Do what you must. For i have already won."
@@ethanfoxall8033 This will be the end today/Of the wanted man
Apparently we need a YCS where everyone agrees to play Mystic Mine to force Konami to realize it’s a problem
Theyll bump it up to 4.
Konami is doing Great Job not listening to toxic community. Jank players opinion count too
I mean a mine deck straight up won a ycs, what else to they want, a tier 0 mine engine?
Imo this is Konami saying “Oh, somebody won a YCS with mine? They got lucky, cry about it it’s never gonna happen again”
I'm just imagining dudes in cloaks going around giving mystic mine to everyone
spright was arguably already weaker than tear and now it loses its access to an omni negate and tear goes unaddressed
literally didn't even loose instant fusion
Dimension Shifter
Punk tear got kicked in the nuts and snow is gone.
It’s not as severe as the spright hits but it does hur (some of) the deck(s)
Getting rid of halq and ruler is a decent tear hit. The deck itself isn't broken it's the stuff it mills and what it can go into that's the problem. The deck feels fairly mid range with the cards in archetype. The only card in the deck that feels truly broken is the card that mills from hand turn 0.
@@deadlineuniverse3189 Punk tear was not the strongest tear version.
PUNK was basically the third strongest "deck" or at least central engine of the other strong decks really not a hit to tear at all.
like maybe they abused snow more than punk decks but I'd even doubt that
Really glad Konami made us wait for this absolutely wonderful list! They really managed to address all the problems with the format, and totally didn't just pave the way for Tearlaments to steamroll every other deck!
and thye didn't ban mystic mine
Mystic Mine is literally the cockroach of the Yugioh world, it just survives everything and refuses to die already.
As opposed to a literal cockroach (Maxx C)?
They unironicaly made us wait 2 MD banlists, 2 OCG banlists, and 4 DL banlists, just to give us this shit of a list huh
What are you talking about, Shooting Riser Dragon to 3 bro!!!1!
For real though, this is one of the most underwhelming lists I’ve seen, and we had to wait extra long for it. Thanks Konami, can’t wait to play Cyberjar-Turbo versus full-power Tearlaments!
@@TakeaSwigBro limiting shooting riser was questionable, and laughable
@@maunabesanika that’s da joke
@@TakeaSwigBro and Dinomight Knight, as if it's gonna do anything without Diagram
"First we (un)ban all da tooner monsters" - The One Whose Shape Was Snatched
Dante may be the hide and seek champion, but mystic mine is standing in the living room wearing a lampshade over its head and konami still can't find and execute it
Now that it's gone I have realized just how much I like Chaos Ruler. It might've been my favourite card... Damn
Konami really wants us to abuse mystic mine until it gets banned.
"until it gets banned" Now that's funny.
It will never be banned as they push the mystic mine agenda
Mine have the same bullshit plot armour of Firewall dragon. Its impossible to ban
I literally told everyone that Mystic Mine is the Maxx C of the tcg. They want us to play around it.
@@reservationatdorsias3215 That’s basically the only way Mine is getting banned - if Maxx C is freed.
While Master Duel means I don’t mind Maxx C as much - at least I can still play the damn game under it - at this point both are somewhat necessary evils. Until Konami decides, idk, Master Rule 6 is a hard reset or something equally unlikely…
This banlist unironically is one of the worst banlists we have ever gotten
Nope it still goes to the list where they just unlimited 3 cards
Noob
Yeah not the worst list ever, a couple good hits, but so much left to be desired. Looking forward to the Tear/ Mine format (y)
Every single banlist people say this shit
It's the ultimate monkey's paw. We finally got Halq banned but SUBSTITOAD AND CYBER JAR GOT RELEASED in return. This game is unsalvageable.
Chaos ruler was apparently the problem not mine and scythe don't worry guys they fixed the format sure
Yeah like wtf.....JUSTICE FOR CHAOS RULER MY BOY COME BACK
Well at least with Halq gone, you can’t just summon wonder magician for free to pop scythe then synchro into barrone. Now you need more dedicated main deck ways to trigger scythe as long as they don’t make DPE super accessible again.
Chaos Ruler was probably a hit to PUNK. Although it's such a generic and powerful card that it deserved to get hit on its own
When Masterduel got a better banlist for the 30th...
Farfa reaction when streaming live that THE BAN LIST IS OUT!!!!...
is always epic
after this, i will probably stepping away from the game until the funny ha ha no play mine card is gone. i can't actually believe this
I legitimately can't get excited for this banlist
There's so much they didn't address, and some choices are so questionable (like red reboot and cyber jar), that they outweight the very good like halq
Reboot being banned is so based NGL
How is cyber jar questionable…?
@@SatanicWren The only questionable thing concerning Cyber Jar was that it wasn't unbanned 5+ years ago lmao
@@FatherDak I do agree it's generally too strong depending on the format, but in these times with mystic mine legal you want a way to negate that solemn, and now we don't have it (I think, alternatives?)
Reboot being banned is not questionable at all, its one of the few hits on this list that are 100% correct. Reboot is Mystic Mine for backrow decks.
Sad to see Halq gone since it was the only thing keeping my shitty rogue deck alive but can't say it wasn't broken, the writing's been on the wall for a while.
What's your deck my friend?
zombies felt that
@@huckyfunky9852 Mermail Atlantean Frog water hodgepodge pile.
@@Ifeno that's.... Interesting... And sounds scary.... I play gem knights
As a laval player, it sucks to lose thiss
One of the saddest banlists of all time
4 full months of waiting for this...
Best banlist ever
@@adriano_cruciani try not to wait, just be surprised when it comes out
@@cba_2442 I bet you're just crying cause of halq for the pastv2 years
So 6 more months of the most toxic card in Yugioh's history? What a fun meta! I hecking love staring contests!
At this point, Mystic Mine is basically "Maxx C" for the TCG, they wont hit it because it is their "Format Defining" card lol.
yes
I kinda understand why chaos ruler is banned, the card is more like painful choice in form of a monster but I don't understand why banning red reboot
Konami employee: Ich bin ein Altergiest spieler.
Chaos Ruler isn't even comparable to Painful Choice. PC let you choose any 5 from deck while Ruler is excavate 5 choose 1 monster that isn't Ash.
trap decks do well vs mystic mine maybe ? idk, but trap decks get screwed by the adventurer engine so are unpopular
Monke flip players don’t like when they have to deal with an overpowered floodgate
Gotta sell those lightning storm reprints
Chaos Ruler being banned is so sad... It's a direct nerf to Sylvan. I just hate it. RIP pepa dragon
Mystic mine is now the new fibrax when it comes to dodging the banlist.
What a cool format. You wait months to have a banlist and you get back cyber jar
"Okay, so we can clearly see that Spright and Tearalament are big problem decks. How should we deal with them, John?"
*BUUUUUUUUUUUURP* "Ronintoadin to 0, Substitoad to 1"
"... okay, and Tearalament?"
"Who really caaaaaares, just get rid of that fucking Chaos dragon. That'll show 'em"
"... the Synchro? Do they even use that?"
"Like, oooooooonce, maybe twiiiiiiiiiiice"
"Alright. And now, for the issue of Mystic Mi- and he already clocked out"
Splight isnt really a Problem i think ,Like they dont win rlly much
snow ban is huge though
@@angeldust9090 According to the TCG metagame report on YGOProDeck from 5 days ago, 14 of the top 32 decks at YCS Niagra were Spright decks
Another 12 were Tearlament, half of which were running Spright engines
Nice Halq ban and all but Mine still got people pissing and moaning.
Those people are weak
Simply just abuse the mine player
@@bloodarcher7841 found the mine player
@@bloodarcher7841 I mean one can just simply put a knife in your gut and call you weak but that doesn't really prove your point.
This was a Tear buff list above all else. With mavens coming out this was so the deck has 0 competition with the ishizu stuff.
chain shifter gg
@@danstern102 chain Orange light?
@@abyssyahoo151 chain gamma :)
@@danstern102 chain ash
@@freaki0734 chain second gamma in hand
Further cements the notion that since Master Rule 4, TCG Konami cannot and will not make a banlist that directly addresses the problems of the format
I'll admit, I do enjoy your reactions to these ban lists the most
So thank you Farfa
Wow they ban chaos ruler but leave mystic mine untouched, trash banlist lol
I remember Yu-Gi-Oh before a banlist, and this is one of the worst banlists I've ever seen in the entire game's existence. Jfc they literally could've hit Halq, Mine, and Scythe, and that would've been a better way to balance the game over hitting frogs. Konami acts like the one niche frog combo is a problem when we still have Mystic Mine at x3
On top of barely touching tearlament, which was already arguably the best deck in the format... This game is going to be really unfun for a few months, huh
The thing is... Banning Halq does currently barely anything.
Ronin at leadt hits Spright, but Tear needs a direct hit.
@@GreyVictory1510 It only hits Spright that runs toads, which while is hit, doesn’t have any impact on Adventure Spright and the other combos people are running. Plus Tearlament tends to be a much bigger problem than Spright Frog imo
Hitting halq means hitting the relevant scythe/halq combo you dumbass, also all spright lists ran toad and toad was the biggest threat in that deck it wasn't "niche" as your casual ass describing it to be lol. The only thing they missed is mystic mine and obviously they wont hit tear because its a new deck idk why people aren't used to this idea already ffs
Mine is healthy im sorry. Please shut up.
well its official im done following the banlist, im done with tcg format im just gonna play for fun with my cards i payed for wether theyre baned or not
Oh boy I sure hope they hit mine, surely they wouldn't leave such an infamously problematic card at 3 *clueless*
@4:21 you sounded like that guy being torn apart in Romeros Day of The Dead.
THE ONE DAY I couldn't watch the stream live it drops. Unlucky
I love it, now I can keep playing mystic mine and win games with no effort!
I think this game genuinely sucks now.
Konami just loves their cards that just prevent interaction and fun gameplay.
Love that Artifact Scythe, Dimensional Barrier, Mystic Mine, and Super Polymerization are still legal for some reason.
Love that the literal only counter to Dimensional Barrier was banned.
This list is so bad, calling it garbage is an insult to garbage.
I think the Spright engine should just be like limiting Elf and Gigantic then semi limited Blue Jet and Starter rather than keep hitting the frog package I know it not a big of a deal but I think consistentcy hit I think is just enough to slow down a bit.
You do know that Konami doesn't hit new released cards
The sad thing is that they wouldn't do that because POTE is still realitivly new and Konami is greedy and wants to get people to buy their new products.
@@jacobrufus7718 Understandable, Yu-Gi-Oh! Is still a business after all. Ngl I wouldn't touch them either lol.
Yeah just hit every spright card lmao nice take
@@SpicyTortilla69 Let them be. You'll see everyone missing Splights when the Ishizu cards arrive to make Tear a spawn from hell.
"Where was Scythe?"
Most of the issues people had with Scythe were with Dagda + Halq, since Dagda sets Scythe and then Halq can tag out into Wonder Magician to pop the Scythe to Quick Synchro into Baronne. Without Halq, you're forced into R4NKS to pop Scythe via Tornado Dragon if you're that Desperate for a Scythe Lock. Or you're playing Sanctum; which can just be outright stopped anyway.
my favorite trickstar is light stage
edit: also i'm glad one for one can summon substitoad now
They're trying to kill the TCG so everyone plays Master Duel. It's either play AFK online or AFK in paper.
You do realize that Konami just killed every Tier 1 in MD that *isn’t* Branded Despia, right?
It was prior to the new list: SS-Tenyi, Adventure-Tenyi, Adventure-Prank, and Despia.
Then they Banned Halq, and hit two of the Adventure engine.
The closest thing we’ve got to a consistent contender versus Branded-D is SS-Tenyi w/ Droplets and a play set of Rivalry of Warlords.
MD or TCG, Konami’s squeezing out one alternative to their newest cards after another.
Love seeing Nadir servant to 3. Gotta buy a 3rd copy now
My boy Cyber Jar is back! Ultimate Rare time.
most suprised about not instant fusion hit. mine still at 3 and chaos Ruler and halq banned kills most of my decks
R.I.P Chaos Ruler, it'll always be one my favorite synchros but it was also just a little too powerful.
It might be able to come back later considering how well teir is milling (copium)
I am not a Mystic Mine Player but just love it was not hit. People deserve it for their behaviour.
Looks like Halq's anime protagonist thick plot armor got usurped by Mystic Mine....
I stopped playing the game during 2016 and waited a lot for this list to come back and play competitive. Mystic Mine being at 3 and tear starting to become tier 0 won't make me spend money on a game I won't enjoy. The lack of communication from Konami on top of the other issues such as short prints and not hearing feedback from the community is absurd at this point.
They probably hit snow because of the OCG earth fairy cards that mill
Yeah totally not because branded despia or any other mill strategy abused it...
@@01Sjohn My comment doesn't contradict that being a factor. You don't need to be a snarky douche...
Wow. Just in time for the new Tear support and Ishizu cards.
hits two of my favorite cards in exchange for removing the halq that should have left 2 years ago
I feel so mixed on this banlist. On one hand they hit spright hard and banned halq, but on the other hand they didn't ban the most toxic card in the format(Mystic mine) and didn't hit tear at all, so it looks like we're getting a tier 0 tear format bois.
Tear 0
I just read substitoad. 0% chance it stays around for longer than 1 format. LIterally infinite specials summons from deck.
hahahaha no ronintoadin
Without ronin, substitoad will literally make zero difference
My brother in christ, that is not what infinite means.
I really dont think the ronin hit kills the spright toad, it just slows it a little/ forces an elf effect to use on swap
Having to open swap really does slow it.
Glow Up Bulb would be broken in Tearlament so they kept it banned.
Mystic Mine not being banned is hilarious in the banlist where they finally got Halq. The two aren't related but I'm sure plenty of people would trade a mine ban for Halq going free
God I'm so tired of tear, guess it's time to go full doomer and maindeck mine and shifter
This is gonna be a rough format
Can't wait to see Mystic Mine get the OTS20 Ultimate Rare
The only way Mystic Mine is eating a ban is if Konami decides they want to free Maxx C.
They want cards like that to exist to “reign in Combo.” Personally, I’d rather deal with Maxx C, at least with it I can still play the damn game
Maxx C is probs just as, if not more toxic than mystic mine. Both do shutdown your turn. Yea you can “still play” under maxx C but the trade-off is not worth giving your opponent 20 cards
the absurd part is, that all the combos deck are playing mystic mine too, so why play a deck that focuses on control that can’t otk, when you can play an otk deck that plays mystic mine too
@@evcurls416 I’m admittedly an outlier, I prefer playing more control-midrange ish decks - sure, it still means Maxx C might as well read “Pot of Greed”, but I don’t like to over commit to summoning a full board.
I might just be old.
@@shanehaney6040 you are saying maxx c is fine because you play a deck that doesnt get as affected by it compared to other decks then. Lol…
@@evcurls416 Yes
1 tuner + 1 monster -> link 4
Is no more
I'm not sure what Konami was thinking when they made this list
FINALLY DEEP SEA DIVA IS NOT JUST HALQIFIBRAX TURBO but man, no Mine...
Alright bois, you know what this means. Prepare for another 6 months of 3x Mystic Mine being sided into every single deck in existence! ~durrr just draw the out durrr~
I'm so relieved that Konami banned Mystic Mine. I was very worried that they weren't gonna touch it after seeing that it's been such a problematic and toxic card for so long now.
happy to see Snow p off again ^.^ should never have been unbanned imo , where are the tearlament hits ? is halq enough ?
"Red Reboot should be at 3"
BASED!
friendship ended with red reboot, anti magic arrows is my new best friend
The halq and chaos ruler hit hurt my deck hard
It usually takes Konami 4-5 banlists to address the community’s wishes. I feel like there’s been a rise in the push for mystic mine being banned over the last couple formats.
We’ll get there in 2 more years boys.
*cries self to sleep*
Well time to move to Magic the Gathering. I own one deck and it's D-Link. Such an idiot list. Mystic Mine is a way more bigger problem than Chaos Ruler
both of them should’ve gotten banned
@@jsahm38 Nah, Ruler is ovverated now that P.U.N.K. is dead as an engine.
Literally only hit T2 and rogue decks that couldn't even abuse it properly, like Dlink or Synchron.
Like, how would a deck that can abuse it like Tears, for example, even summon it without P.U.N.K.?
@@masksuckerberg8363 ? e tele is still a 1 card synchro 8
@@Marcusjnmc requires investing a third of your deck into an engine that does nothing on mill too.
I thought about it tho, and with Curious still legal then yeah Ruler needs to stay banned. Mills + 2 bodies for free is just stupid with that card around. Then again imo Curious would've been just a far better hit. Ruler wouldn't be the problem if it only added a Masque into Uni to the endboard in exchange for a way more fragile combo.
I'll say this much about Cyber Jar at minimum it has potential maybe doing something if it can find a home for it. As if it can be set from deck. or be used in other ways it's a solid way to force out things and force hand traps to be summoned.
Hardest thing is there's not a lot of printings and thanks to goat it's a bit more expensive. but I'd say it's more of a "wild card" coming off the list.
It can be searched with cybernetic horizon which makes him pretty easy to add to your hand and there's plenty of ways to flip him face up so I can see some meme decks using it
@@gabrielhoelzle8476 I don't know the modern meta as much but it's still a solid card. As I said it's the type of card that is a bit of a "wild card" because it's hard to tell in the modern game because it's been banned for so long and there's a lot more things it's effect can do in the game now.
It could be fine if we were in a different format. You legit are making your opponent go +5. Even though hand traps died down we still have many board breakers that you could just be running into.
@@stormextreme3970 hand traps wouldn't be added to their hand they would be special summoned to their field, so we're relatively safe in that regard
@@gabrielhoelzle8476 Oh yea I forgot cyber jar haven't seen it in awhile. the only one you may have to worry abt is imperm. Still a basically +5 for the opponent is prob not the best.
I’m glad spright is getting hit, snow honestly hasn’t given that many problems in my opinion. Love to see mystic mine still alive just to make meta players cry
Mine and Scythe seem to have been taking banlist-dodging lessons from Dante.
appointer was limited because of curious gryphon combo that lets you get any trap, which is being abused by tears
No. Limiting to 1 wouldn’t do anything to prevent that. It was limited because it’s a toxic go-first card like trap dust shoot.
Farfa’s reaction to no Mystic Mine made my day
“Welp that banlist sucked! Who’s up for Chinese?”
tear barely got touched even though it is performing better than spright. Reboot hit is good, but putting appointer at 1 has similar problems to reboot at 1. snow, halq and magical ruler hits are good. You can't loop substitoad with ronin anymore but I don't get why you would bring it back in the first place tbh. And of course no fucking mine ban, which makes this list immediately garbage.
We know it's real because there is one specific green card that is nowhere on the list it's very mystic and good so good and healthy
I have a feeling there will be a new "Frog" or "Toad" with same effect as Ronintoadin, but HOTP
4:46 Except for frog the Jam 😌
Yep, this format just became hopeless. Time to move to another tcg.
Try master duel, its free and the banlist is usually more based
I already play it, and I completely agree with you
DARK HOLE IS AN OUT TO MYSTIC MINE, GO 2ND SIDE CARD, AND EXTENDER FOR TEARS
DESTINY HERO PLAYERS WE WON
O-Lion: It was revenge for tuner goodstuff abuse, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. Toadally Awesome was a made man and Halq wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was among the copers. It was real grease ball shit. They even shot NeedleFiber in the face so his mother couldn't give him an open coffin at the funeral.
At this point I believe Konami is reprinting mystic mine and don't want to ban it
No communication from Konami on Mystic Mine…. Who would have thunk it.
Several more months of Mystic Mine troll despair.
I’m pretty happy with the list, but why no hit to Scythe or Mine?🙃🙃🙃
THE BANLIST
THE BANLIST IS REAL
Yeah steam is back, now Darkwing Blast here I come baby
Still no harp horror, how so we have sky striker engage and not harp horror
Wow I sure love a tier 0 format with Tear AKA mill solitaire.
mystic mine stops tear kek
Most synchro decks are probably malding with the halq ban but the level 4 mathmech tuners ( read all of the tuners) are just chilling making big boi’s ( sorry if rude)
"Synchro" decks when they can no longer summon almost any material from deck with no restrictions because they made a link-2. (this is devastating to their sky striker synchro plays)
@@engiopdf8745 blue girls do not need the white boys/ maybe girls
@@engiopdf8745 Honestly, the loss of Chaos Ruler was significantly worse. It basically ruined Z-ARC Turbo (effectively making Pendulum Magician super bricky as well), RDA, literally any rogue deck that required PUNK engine to stay even remotely playable
Lmao ronin toadin ban!
well i guess it's time to get some mines for my marincess deck, with snow and toad being no more and mine still there thats a huge buff to marincess. it already wasn't that far of from being a good deck but now they really made it to easy for me.
Thought they were paving the way for dark worlds/bysteeds to come in since eradicator didnt get hit. But indirectly hitting splights hurts a lot. Now, tearalaments and anti meta is gonna run the format. And so is mystic mine....AGAIN
shot rise was the A assault core of this list this time.
Oh. I'm playing Zombies and they... killed my deck...
Collateral damage, I know. But I'm still sad...
The worst ban list I've seen in my decade of playing.
This is one of the best wdym only one card and that is mystic mine
Only bad hit is Red reboot to 0, mine is meme.
You obviously never saw the banlist with *NO CHANGES* .
@@DallySkyeAnims No, this is worse than no changes 😭
If I was to me I saw a banlist with no changes, this is solid.
All I wanted was Electrumite unbanned. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK??