Thank you sir for this video! So much appreciate this as my older son was a Marine MARSOC Raider who was killed in 2020. As a family (I'm an Air Force Vietnam veteran, and my younger son is a Naval Academy grad), we are proud of who he was as a human being and what he became as a Raider. He achieved his aspiration. He lived as a Marine and died as one of their best.That's a lot more than most 27 year old's can say. And yes, they are very cool.
I thank you for your family's service to the free world, and for your son's sacrifice. I may not be an American, but I am part of the free and democratic alliance of nations headed by America, thus am eternally grateful to her soldiers. God bless.
@@UNFRIENDLYSTRANGER Thank you so very much for your kind words and condolences. It's very meaningful for me to receive this message from a non American who embraces the notion of a "free and democratic alliance". When the Greeks fought the Persians at Thermopylae, they were mostly Sprains but they defended ALL of the Greeks, not just their own......this famous quote has its origins with them..."When you go home, tell them of us and say, for your tomorrow, we gave our today". My son may have well been one of those.
There are books written by Raiders. Level Zero Heroes and Dagger 22 come to mind. To make all of this simple and be real, the main reason we don’t hear much about them is because the Marine Corps waited so long to join SOCOM that all of the mission sets were already covered. Delta and Rangers are premier DA. Green Berets are premier unconventional warfare. SEALS and SWCC are premier maritime. Air Force Special Reconnaissance are premier recon and JTAC. PJ’s are premier medical. 160th are premier aviation. So the Marine Corps didn’t really have anything unique to offer and has struggled to find its niche. I say this as a Marine. Did 6 years as a Marine Scout Sniper. Currently in the Army. Just my opinion. I’ve come across a few MARSOC guys in my career who have shared this opinion, 2 of which ended up switching over to the Army for the SOF opportunities. Raiders are badass and I will always love the Corps. But the Corps shot itself in the foot when it waited so long to join SOCOM.
The Marine Corps actively fought to NOT join SOCOM. They were forced to by DOD. When you have a SOCOM unit you lose your best warriors and they are no longer under your control.
Funny cause during the Barbary wars it was the US Marines that first used Special/unconventional Warfare, pretty much what the Green Berets specializes now.
Based on the cursory information I have learned about the original Marine Raiders of World War II fame, I have also thought it was a bit short-sighted for the Marine Corps [of that era] to not realize a longer-term and broader role for the Raiders in the face of modernization, communist aggression, and the burgeoning increase of countries that wanted to destroy America's global hegemony.
I would like to add a little clarity. There was a group prior to MARSOC, Marine Corps Special Operations Command Detachment One, or most commonly known as Det One. It was only meant to be a proof of concept in order to fully stand up and receive full funding for MARSOC.
@@nathanmacdonald6696 It has to do with money and resources. The Marines have a teir 2 element allows them to get money and resources that otherwise would not be available.
Really appreciate you give a little love to Marsoc because as you said, a lot of people have no idea who or what they are or that they even exist. Their training is very similar to Seals but as you said, they don't get recognized for it. So thank you again for showing my fellow Marines a little love.
Blows my mind people don’t know the big men in woodland cryes… they’re so known if you know anything about socom or sof but definitely the most under rated unit
As a civilian, I never saw a need for MARSOC. Why would the best light infantry on the planet need something more special? You are all tremendous and deserve more appreciation. (PS thank you)
okay just so everyone is clear the original raiders were actually established in 1942 and were among the first elite units of the US military.. they’re not as new as everyone thinks
SOCOM needed MARSOC more than the Marines did. MARSOC will forever be more disciplined than the other units in SOCOM because they pull from enlisted NCOs. These NCOs come recommended from their command. To get recommended, they have to perform well at their job and stayed out of trouble since the day they entered the Marine Corps. From this pool of excellent Marines, the exceptional are chosen. Having passed grueling physical and mental requirements, you get some of the best Marines who've walked the earth.
Nope.... Secretary Rumsfeld saw that there was a whole nother branch of war fighters without a SOCOM element in the fight. So, " Sternly Suggested " that they stand one up. Plus during that time most of the publicity was going to SOCOM Units...., all you mostly heard about was SEALS, even if was a mission accomplished by Special Forces, Para Rescue, or Rangers, etc... Civilian reporters would say it SEALS or probably them. No one was really big upping the USMC,so by this point in their history and these particular conflicts, the Corps were more than happy to oblige. 😉
There is nothing original about MARSOC be it what they do and how they're selected. What in the world makes you believe they're the only SO unit that only picks from NCOs?
Before MARSOC, there was somewhere higher U.S. marines could go - that’s Delta, as they will recruit from any branch. There have been a solid number of marines who have gone on to make strong contributions to the unit’s legacy.
Marsoc as a unit punches well above its weight. The problem is most of the command is conventioal Marine Corps and run the morale into the ground. Most CSO serve one contract and either get out or join SF. Best recuiting program Guard SF has ever had
MARSOC is an interesting animal. They were on the ground when I was in Afghanistan and 2010-11. It was a weird time for them then because they were an available asset, but they still hadn't been fully fleshed out, so they were still running under Naval Special Warfare, which obviously gave priority of everything to the SEAL Teams. This meant that MARSOC SSOs (Raiders) were being used to supplement SEAL operations, either filling gaps from missing team members or acting as the SEAL commands needed them to. It wasn't until a few years later when the full capacity of the Raider Battalions really started to stand up and act on their own merits. Some other guys I knew that were in the 82nd said that a Raider team was operating in their AOR and was a pretty awesome, squared away team. There's a lot of marines that are actually split on their creation and whether or not they should have existed in the first place. Some of the older marines say that they shouldn't have existed because the idea of an "elite marine" went against the Marine Corps ideal that ALL marines are considered elite - thus why FOREC still fell under the MAG-TF structure. In the Army, they have/had the Long Range Surveillance Companies (LRSC) which were sort of the Army's answer to FOREC, but they were also wildly underused because they had recce units within 75th, SF, CAG, or even battalion scouts that could perform the same functions. The Raider Bats essentially rendered FOREC, a historically proud unit, somewhat useless due to the capabilities that MARSOC has been given. They're still sort of the redheaded stepchild of SOF, just for the fact that their niche is already occupied by SEAL teams and Army SF, which makes it so they're essentially supplementing the missions of units that have already been operating in that space for decades. I'm interested to see where the future takes them, because they do run some really badass ops. In fact, the story told by former Delta operator Kyle Morgan about his rescue of the hotel guests in Mali included a MARSOC operator that was with him while they were clearing the hotel. The part that shows that they were having issues is that while Morgan and this Raider were trying to save people during the hotel attack, the Raider's command kept calling him and blowing up his phone trying to give him orders, get updates, and give commands while he was actively on the ground getting lead slung at him. That's a terrible command, because Morgan never once had CAG highers calling him and they knew that he was moving in on that area - TRUST YOUR OPERATORS.
I'll never understand why US Marines call themselves elite. Compared to other nation's marines, ours are basic infantry, with the shortest pipeline of any Marine formation elsewhere.
@anthony90745 they do quite well at that! Not many SOF units knock them for having issues. They are marines at heart, which means they're mission is service, upholding standards, and bringing honor to the USMC. They're also drawn entirely from infantry, or infantry-trained guys, which lends to their benefit as well. USN and USAF don't have the luxury of drawing from pools of extremely experienced and well-trained infantry in the way that the army and marines do. That's a big advantage, especially when tactics while in contact are virtually the same across the board, whether your SF, DEVGRU, marines, Rangers, 82nd, or even 2nd ID. Battle drills are battle drills.
In the Marine Corps the term is *"Drill Instructor."* We don't have Drill Sergeants in the Marine Corps. I know it seems like petty semantics but the Army chose their tile for their boot camp trainer and the Marine Corps chose theirs.
@@slightslice3120 I have been deployed with Army and Air Force Special Ops. Honestly contracting for 8yrs after, I have been around a lot of big mouth Marines and 50% sound as ignorant and annoy me as much as this Supply Dude. But let me tell you, I have the greatest respect for Recon and Force guys because they never sound ignorant. There are also Rescue Squadron PJs who are not SOCOM at that moment. If anyone is Force Recon, it says more about you than you can say about yourself.
Oh! Thank you, Marcus! How has 2024 been treating you so far? I hope, great. I've just gotten a book about MARSOC. Now I'm looking forward to devour it!
I notice alot of people taking offense to statements in this video in regards to 75th Ranger Regiment. If you are a member of the SOF community, I would not take offense especially when the statements being made are from someone outside of community. This person making this video has a brief understanding of the history and missions of the units he is talking about. While i do not think he meant any disrespect, some of his statements were a little offensive. All of SOCOM units have proven themselves through their work and sacrifices no need to argue and put your organization history or disrespect another organization accomplishments.
What impresses me more about MARSOC is you already have to be a proven Marine NCO to attend A&S. Those standards physically, mentally, and MOS wise are already high. Not to mention a lot are pulled from Recon/Force Recon who are already incredibly skilled from their training pipeline and pretty much fish in the water from all their swim and dive qualifications. Very impressive!
The MARSOC pipeline is definitely longer than Army Rangers (which has the shortest special operations pipeline). But both are Tier 2 units with different mission sets.
No, the battalions are and have been for about 10 years. Look up a CSM named Greg Birch who went from Delta to the Rangers with the mission of ending the Abrams Creed, as it was called. Also look up how Delta was taking so many casualties they needed DEVGRU and that couldn't be sustained unless a bigger unit could be brought up to standard.@@erics362
RRC ( Ranger Recon Company) is a tier one unit. The rest of the Ranger regiment is a tier two unit. Once you make it through Ranger School your not automatically thrown out their with the rangers. You have to prove yourself and go through a lot of training before they put you out there with the ranger’s and go off fighting. There are a lot of Army Rangers that go into Delta force if that doesn’t say something about the rangers. Another thing about Army Rangers, but Army Rangers have never had to be rescued in a fire fight. They are the ones doing the rescuing.
@@nathanmacdonald6696 once you finish RASP, you get the tan beret and the 75th regiment scroll. It's the shortest Tier 2 pipeline there is. Don't get me wrong, they're a great organization with a well-deserved reputation. I'm just stating a fact.
@@MrTruerythmn I was thinking more along the lines of Chinese invasion of Taiwan or something that creates a war between China and North Korea and Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea. Not really thinking about what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
He was in my class, Force Recon guys who were really good got to go to the SF Q-Course. We had two in Afghanistan that crossed to the Army to go strait to SF Gunny Camm (7th Group) and another who was CIA in his civilian job but went with 20th Group (to get his CIB and combat patch). But I have met many former Recon guys in the SEALs, AFSOC and Rangers too.
Little fun fact if you didn’t know this the marine raiders were made during ww2 and only a few battalions were made but it got disbanded but now here it is
I was talking to a marine recruiter a few years back and I asked him did he have any info on MARSOC? No, we don't do that. I've read tons about SEALs and appreciate their creed, "I don't advertise the nature of my work." It's a shame that code is often broken... well done MARSOC!
Nick could tell you all about the rebirth of the marsoc Marine raiders and even the cool story about how they asked the OG raiders if they could use their name
Marines take an offensive to anyone other than Marines commanding marines. I think that’s why it took so long for marines to put together a designated Special operations Unit. Force Recon has always had the capability to do the same things as Seals , Army Rangers , SF so on. Because Force Recon is not under Socom , or JASOC officially they don’t get the same number off missions as other special operations units. I think thats why the Marines Created Marsoc ? That and 9/11 happened and there was a huge demand for Special Operations forces and the Marine Corps didn’t want to be left out.
say what u want about the 75th, but name me JUST 1!!! tier 2 unit that has found, fixed AND finished 2-3 PERFECTLY executed successful hostage rescues????. none of them, not even CIF/CRF of the SF, which is basically what they were created for. and also name another tier 2 unit that was THE most used asset by JSOC. rangers went from airfield seizures and large-ish scale assaults to fuxkin lock picking and rescueing a hostage or two with no tier 1 CT units involved. theres a reason why delta is always made up of roughly 70 PERCENT rangers.
Marsoc is modeled after SF small dynamic,stand alone if have to teams, Rangers are great & usually have 60+MFers on Op & that kitchen sink, just different, Rangers go to SF, SF never go to Reg.,
@@Frank-uw5xq rangers have HEAVILY evolved since the start of the GWOT, they now EXCEL at small unit tactics. do some more research. and ur wrong when u say GB's never go to range bat. flat out wrong. the 75th is the only consistently used unit directly by JSOC that isnt tier 1, even when SF's CIF/CRF teams where active and under JSOC command. ranger batt has had the most diverse and widespread spectrum of TTP evolutions since 01'. look at batt during 01'- 03', then look at them and the changes they started to implement after there first deployment to iraq. ranger batt is no longer the "sledgehammer" it used to be, its now a sledgehammer with an attached scalpel. when u have small teams of rangers picking locks and sneaking thru windows to kill or capture HVT's or rescue hostages, being flown into said ops by the 160th then you know EXACTLY how much trust JSOC has in the regiment. dont take ANY of this as "just trust me bro" look it up urself. from the interviews of ex 160th pilots talking about flying a small team of rangers in to rescue hostages that they had just gotten wind of an hour prior and how smooth and fast the rangers cleared the builidings, killed the terri's and saved the victims, to ex career long rangers talking about how much batt grew as an elite unit shortly after the start of the GWOT. they can still take an airfield with 100 rangers, but now they can also raid your compound housing HVT's/HVI's with small units of 21 men and be FULLY trusted by JSOC to complete the mission. im not saying there as good as delta or devgru obviously, but again theres a very CLEAR reason why the 75th makes up 70% of the worlds most elite tier 1 unit in the world. and theres also a reason why every unit, be it tier 1 or 2, foreign or domestic have nothing but praise and high regards for them as a whole and as individual soldiers. Fuxk even the brits have made there very own army ranger wing, modeled almost directly off of our current ranger batts in form and function. long winded, i know, but those boys dont get NEARLY the credit or respect that they earned and deserve from most who dont know just how far they've came over the last 20 yrs.
@@SNAKEEATER1776 USMC 13 weeks boot camp, another 5 weeks of School of Infantry have to at least be a corporal to try out takes about 3 years in the Marines to make corporal. Most MARSOC guys are ex Force Recon . It takes over 2 years to fully train a FR Marine then the MARSOC course
Delta force (CAG) is the most elite group." The Unit" isnt limited to just army. It recruits from every branch like seals, marsoc, rangers, green berets etc.
I think the level of maturity and prestige of marsoc needs more recognition. Because other branches special operations units can be recruited straight from basic training and no longer need previous service time. Yes, Delta and St6 does but those are the higher echelon of the sf community in their respected branch. Marsoc on the other hand, requires at least a year in the fleet with impecable record to even be considered for evaluation, so depending on your mos, that could already be 3 years of service time.
Recon and Force Recon Marines have always been basically the same. They all go through the same training. The only difference is Recon Battalions support the main group of Marines already fighting. They do the reconnaissance for the Marines already in the fighting basically. They are out ahead of the main forces relaying back to them what’s happening ahead of them. Force recon Marines are the more experienced guys. They are farther into enemy territory than the recon battalions I previously mentioned. They are supporting the landing crafts coming on to shore. They are clearing the way. Force recon marines are also on their own more or less. They so far ahead that they are out of range of the artillery and so on if they get into trouble. Force Recon Marines can also do the Dark mission that no one hears about until much later. I feel like this guy left some stuff out.
During my preemployment training when we were at 29 Palms, we did a little force on force against MARSOC while we were all at a relax, security posture middle of the night I made my saw gunner relinquish his sauce so I could utilize that as my weapon in my defensive posture in a city environment, saw movement through window 80 meters away and I let a solid burst rip of blanks. Of course we didn’t know who the opposition force was until the next morning when I got the pat on the back and I got promoted to team leader right after we get back. Turns out team up and all of their beepers went off. one of the proudest days of my life thank you for reading my useless comment
Marsoc is getting better many SF,& Seal instructors in the school house now, modeled after SF A-team's,but 14 instead of 12 operators, Marines just bad place to be an(operator) they've always lost guy's to the Army,but they're starting to remove heads from ass, slowly,the Raider's operators are on the level,
Served for 12 years on active duty and left for family reasons in 1991. One of our DIs in boot was force recon and we learned that this was the Marine Corps version of special forces, nobody talked about Navy Seals in 1978. After completing bootcamp and getting sent to Radar school, my chance to become a recon Marine went to zero, they didn't let Radar Techs switch MOS's, you were a rare bird at that point. But I could dream and eventually started scoring 300s on my PFT and shooting expert on the range. Marines are trained in small arms tactics and naturally make good candidates for special operations. I know the Corps never liked the idea of creating a special force unit. Every MOS in the Marine Corps is centered around providing support to the Marine grunt on the ground, he is the center of your universe, your reason for being. To that end, Special Operations don't really fit into that thinking and will always be a red headed step child, albeit, a very respected one as they are Marines and will always be able to claim the title.
EXCELLENT UNIT! I've instructed to and supporter Raiders for years, and they are top notch. (There's some incorrect statements in this video. But, am glad that someone did one.)
MARSOC was the USMC's determination to be part of Special Operations command. Even if it was at the expense of the rest of the USMC. It's not like they were suffering as a result of not having a special forces component. They had Force Recon and FAST. US army Rangers & USAF always knew their place. There's now less funding in the USMC for other units and equipment
@@patwxdaddyBro...When you have your " Own " air force, that along will tear into a branch's budget. Also, USSOCOM funds their units moreso than the branches they're apart of. That's why they answer to them for the most part, rather than their parent branch.
I keep seeing idiots on here compare FAST to Force , BN and MARSOC...... Just stop.... because you have no f ing idea what you are talking about........none.... The Marine Corps was ordered by SECDEF to create a Special Operations Contingent for SOCOM.....DET ONE was the initial element consisting of 86 to 88 hand picked Marines and Corpsman ( SARCS ) ......and because of their extreme success, MARSOC was born........ But don't think for a minute a plt of Marines with long hair did not exist before 2003....... Semper Fi Merica
Another thing I need to add in here is that SOCOM is all the Tier 2 units special operations community. Army Rangers , Army SF, Seals, Marsoc , Air Force PJ,so on. JASOC is All the tier 1 units, seal team six , delta force, Army Night Stalkers I think are a tier 1 unit I forget? Army Rangers have a tier 1 unit also. RRC Ranger recon company. They are a special Reconnaissance company that is a tier 1 unit. Tier 2 units are just as good as tier 1 units. The only difference is the tier 1 units have a bigger budget, so they can get more training in and go to schools that most tier 2 units cant that’s really the only difference between the two. They are trained at the highest level, and can basically all do the same thing it’s just that the tier 2 guys have not been trained or been able to do some of the things the tier 1 guys can.
The Raiders (MARSOC) was around during WW2 in the Pacific Campaign. They went in before the main force to recon and sabotage. They were fierce fighters. The Corps brought them back in the later 2000s. A few years ago they changed the name of MARSOC to Raiders
Roughly 10 years ago, when I lived in Ft. Lauderdale. 2 Blackhawks and 4 Little Birds, filled with commandos. Flew right over my house 3 nights in a row. They were doing urban assault training. Assaulting city streets and buildings. Even a cargo ship anchored right off the Ft. Lauderdale beach. Not sure of the purpose. An invasion or civil unrest training I guess. Might of been these guys.
That's where MARSOC got a large proportion of their talent. Some of the elite Recon guys are in MARSOC now. In time, I wouldn't be surprised if they developed their own Tier 1 unit, too.
The Marine Raiders first stood up in World War 2, but most don't know that. They were 1 of the first special operations unit. The Raiders name was given as a tribute to those raiders who were of old. Research Edson's Raiders.
For me it comes down to mentality. The Marine mentality is just different. They don't take just anyone either. Go to a recruiting office and you'll find out pretty quick that the fuck ups get sent down the hall to army or navy. There's a certain personality type that is also drawn to the Corps. When ypu join the Marines it's not by accident. Ypu don't join the Corps to serve in the *military* you join to become a fuckin UNITED STATES MARINE. There's a difference. If you want your shit squared away, you will gp to the Corps. No disrespect to other branches of service. Put me anywhere . if I'm pinned down and you give me a choice of my QRF? Fuckin Marines every time. Recon,--Force Recon--Raiders, whatever. Send me Devil Dogs.
Lol. What are you talking about? The Marine Corps takes plenty of fuck ups and always has done. Marine Recruiters knowingly recruited someone with autism from a special home (and yes he got through boot camp etc) who got busted for child porn. Look up Joshua Fry USMC. It's far from an isolated case. They took draftees in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. You can't be a branch with 180,000+ personnel (and there were more Marines in the past) and not have fuck ups in it. There is a certain personality type that is drawn to the Corps, people easily seduced by nice uniforms and their propaganda - I mean PR - and who don't do basic research.
I always find it funny when i hear that Marines are new to special operations. New to SOCOM absolutely but not to special operations. The Corps has been doing small unit, "scalable" operations since the banana wars of the 1930s!!! Hell the Corps actually wrote the manual describing doctrine for FID and DA!! Its called the Small Wars Manual. But being the poor stepchild of the armed forces, the Marines NEVER get credit for things like this.
"the Marines NEVER get credit for things like this." Stop blubbering, man. You guys are so hung up on "credit". While damn near every other military member wants our country to win (as a TEAM), and remain safe, and powerful....YOU guys are worried about who gets credit. If you're REALLY concerned with how much recognition marine SOCOM gets, just use some of the same blowhard marketing that you use for your pogs. I mean, I've always known that a LOT of you guys are complete weirdos, but gatdamn! -__-
Never gets credit? Marines are very good at shouting loudly and getting excessive credit because they never shut up about stuff they did several decades or even centuries ago and often exaggerate their own accomplishments/downplay the contributions of other services, especially the Army. Wasn't it Truman who said the Marine Corps had a propaganda machine that rivalled Stalin's? As for the Marine Corps' relationship with special operations, it's kind of self-inflicted through their never ending identity crisis and aversion to elitism within the Corps. The Army does not pretend all its soldiers are steely eyed dealers of death. It assigns that respect to its combat arms and special operations. That's why there is a Combat Infantryman's Badge, etc. The Marine Corps likes to pretend all Marines are equal and special. They could've become a relatively small, selective, elite amphibious special operations unit, but nope, they wanted to become a proper branch with equal standing to the Army and Navy with a seat for the commandant at the JCS and pushed for the government to guarantee that they'd never have fewer than (I believe) 3 divisions in the National Security Act 1947. Then they wonder why people think they're a redundant second land army.
@@billyjacc ???? You're funny!!! Great joke. Hovercrafts ha! Either you've never served in any branch or you just don't pay attention. The Marine Corps annual budget hovers right around 6.5% of the total annual DOD budget!!! MARSOC is an outlier because a majority of its budget is covered by SOCOM. The majority of the total annual budget of the Marines goes to aviation and maintenance. Boots on the ha! As if that's a measure of the money a branch gets. Do a bit more research before you say moronic things like that.
@@MG-wk2eh it makes me laugh everytime people with views comment on the Marine Corps. It seems like there is some level of anger there. The Marines are an small, elite amphibious force. Redundant land army or not, our accomplishments truly speak for themselves. There is a reason Putin protested to the UN when 300 marines were deployed for training a couple of years ago for the first time to Norway. Our reputation precedes us. There is a history of hard battles fought and won since our inception in 1775. I love how you try to paint us as a branch that lives off of our passed accolades! I won't bore anybody with our performances during the GWOT but they are documented so feel free to read about them. We actually do not get credit for most of what we do. MARSOC has accomplished many missions since its beginning in 2006. I will bet you that neither you nor any of your friends can name or describe any of them.
Kinda misleading. Marines had no need for a special operations and resisted forming one. Marines already had recon elements that can fill those missions for marine deployments. The special operations command is it's own command it's not under Marine command which is the whole point of a separate special operations command. So these units aren't under that Marine umbrella of leadership. So to say Marines had this need and that it sets the standard for a Marine is at best misleading. US government needs more special operations units because you can't just mass produce them because selection weeds out more than 99% of the population. So there is no choice but to use the Marines to fill some of that void. If you could just so easily get enough special operators then Marsoc would have never been formed.
Uhh , why is Force Recon not mentioned. Raiders was instituted in ww2, then disbanded. We started putting things in place in 87. If you see a blue patch with the Southern stars well.....
Yeah it's totally crazy to argue about Marines win whole WARS by themselves. It's totally crazy that one of our nations most iconic symbols is the flag raising on Iwo Jima. You are totally right. The only thing the Marine Corps has done is petty shit like island hop through the Pacific and win ww2 , stop the Germans at Belleau Wood from breaking through and winning ww1, or covering the Army's headlong retreat from the Chosin Reservoir. I think instead of having the monument of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima we should have a monument of the wreckage of the choppers in the desert that reperesents DELTA's huge hostage rescue mission fuck up. That was a magnificent tour de force for DELTA. WOW! im fucking hard from thinking about how great DELTA did in that operation. I also get excited about what a great job they did in Mogadishu. Fantastic record!! The best thing about DELTA was the movie which was as cheesy and overhyped as they are
@@HarryPost-o9clol marines win battles brotha. The army wins wars and will always be the goat especially with all of their SOF. Marines are cool but compared to other branches they are poor
@@HarryPost-o9c There was more Army in the Pacific than Marines. Also, Delta/CAG took out the high ranking officials which would have made life harder for conventional units. Theu deserve respect as the tip of the spear.
SEALS need the publicity for recruitment. Remember the Navy doesnt have infantry regiments to quietly select SEAL candidates from so they have to build up a pipeline of want-to-be-SeALS from the general public.
This video is not very accurate. No mention of Gunny Oaks, an instructor at the mountain phase of ranger school and former best ranger competition winner who was tasked with heading up MARSOC.
Read *” A Few Bad Men”* by Major Fred Galvin USMC (ret) who commanded the first MARSOC Unit into Afghanistan, where they were ambushed by the Taliban & subsequently thrown under the bus by SOCOM Marine Leadership. Absolutely necessary reading
I don't understand why people keep looking down on Army Rangers. No Unit captured or killed more enemy combatants than them during the entire GWOT. Not trying to be a troll or anything, but MARSOC didn't even exist 20 years ago. All the other SOF have had decades of experience. And yes I know there were Raiders decades ago, but I'm talking about its current iteration.
People don't look down on Rangers in a disrespectful manner. People look down on them because most of them are under 5'9 😭. Its that airborne center of gravity.
What I don’t understand about MARSOC is that a lot of them skip Force Recon/Recon Marines. And direct to MARSOC. You think that would have been their pipeline only.
Don’t know if I’d ever compare a Ranger to any other SOF service member… only takes 17 weeks to complete RASP and Ranger School compared to the 1-3 years to become a Green Beret. SEAL about a year and MARSOC about a year or 2. 🤷🏻♂️
I can tell you with authority, the Marine Raiders today area being assigned missions/operations by USSOCOM at a very high tempo. They are very disciplined about operational security and even though they are out there, operating around the world, you just don't hear about it.
I’m in marine infantry myself, I think MARSOC are a little overhyped. We’ve killed them a lot in field ops. They also are meant to do deep recon but they instead mainly do CQB stuff and wanna be navy seal training. They try to be good at a job that isn’t their role. I respect them still and the selection is badass and difficult. But definitely seals, green berets and rangers are much better than marsoc.
Last guy that said something this stupid was talking about guys going thru ITC. I promise if you’re going against an actual team you’re getting cooked.
I served 16 year's in the USMC 2000-2016 in 06 I became a raider, spent 9 years in Iraq and Afghanistan we worked with everyone but I can honestly say rangers are the best
Rangers are legit for sure, I never served….but worked around a few 1/75 rangers and them guys have a different aura and vibe about them compared to others I’ve been around.
MARSOC will never compete as long as the Marines have a strangle hold on the CSO's. The Marines cannot stand the idea there are operators more concerned with proficiency over dog and pony show looks. So great operators will get out and go find another unit to try out for. They are awful at talent management
Did they kill too many enemies in like their 1st use as a socom unit? I seem to recall hearing that they absolutely decimated some village and socom was like whoa whoa not that marine like.
As a former US Marine, the justification given by the narrator is misinformed. There’s no ultimate Marine to look up to. Marines are known for being Marines. That’s the standard. When Americas enemies talk about Marines, they don’t think Raiders. US Marines are a small branch that historically sows doubt and fear in any adversary. I love our Raiders. SOCOM is only enhanced with Marines on duty. There is no greater friend and no worse enemy!
Obviously every service needs small units who can infiltrate enemy lines for recon, snatch and grab, rescue, assassination.... They can't rely on the navy
Marsoc was stood up to qualify for jsoc inclusion. We had forcon units but they were never Really utilized by jsoc. Marines wanted more of the action, robbed forcon of all its goons and stood up MARSOC. One of the many reasons they don't get publicity is due to part of the recon creed/motto. Swift silent deadly also refers to maintaining a quiet professional demeanor. But to be clear, force recon was always the gold standard, just had a less inclusive mission set. Nice spotlight on the boys though.
Thank you sir for this video! So much appreciate this as my older son was a Marine MARSOC Raider who was killed in 2020. As a family (I'm an Air Force Vietnam veteran, and my younger son is a Naval Academy grad), we are proud of who he was as a human being and what he became as a Raider. He achieved his aspiration. He lived as a Marine and died as one of their best.That's a lot more than most 27 year old's can say. And yes, they are very cool.
"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" ~ John 15:13
Wow. Peace to your family, and rest in peace, Raider. You've earned your rest, and the gratitude of a great nation!
@@jimmyboy131 Thank you so very much for your kindness!
I thank you for your family's service to the free world, and for your son's sacrifice. I may not be an American, but I am part of the free and democratic alliance of nations headed by America, thus am eternally grateful to her soldiers. God bless.
@@UNFRIENDLYSTRANGER Thank you so very much for your kind words and condolences. It's very meaningful for me to receive this message from a non American who embraces the notion of a "free and democratic alliance".
When the Greeks fought the Persians at Thermopylae, they were mostly Sprains but they defended ALL of the Greeks, not just their own......this famous quote has its origins with them..."When you go home, tell them of us and say, for your tomorrow, we gave our today". My son may have well been one of those.
Well, according to my Marine friend, we don't hear about Marine Raider books because Marine's cannot read or write. The more you know~
Semper Fi!!!! Devil Dogs. 🤣🤣🤣
We just eat crayons 🖍️
Who needs to read or write when you’re that good at being a soldier 😂😂
Oh for sure
@@JamesBond-ip6pl Marines are NOT soldiers
There are books written by Raiders.
Level Zero Heroes and Dagger 22 come to mind.
To make all of this simple and be real, the main reason we don’t hear much about them is because the Marine Corps waited so long to join SOCOM that all of the mission sets were already covered. Delta and Rangers are premier DA. Green Berets are premier unconventional warfare. SEALS and SWCC are premier maritime. Air Force Special Reconnaissance are premier recon and JTAC. PJ’s are premier medical. 160th are premier aviation. So the Marine Corps didn’t really have anything unique to offer and has struggled to find its niche. I say this as a Marine. Did 6 years as a Marine Scout Sniper. Currently in the Army. Just my opinion. I’ve come across a few MARSOC guys in my career who have shared this opinion, 2 of which ended up switching over to the Army for the SOF opportunities. Raiders are badass and I will always love the Corps. But the Corps shot itself in the foot when it waited so long to join SOCOM.
Damn. Totally makes sense too. Sucks for those guys excited to out their skills to work. Thanks for your sharing and your service!🇺🇸🏁🏴☠️
The Marine Corps actively fought to NOT join SOCOM. They were forced to by DOD. When you have a SOCOM unit you lose your best warriors and they are no longer under your control.
DEVGRU is also premier DA and hostage rescue
Funny cause during the Barbary wars it was the US Marines that first used Special/unconventional Warfare, pretty much what the Green Berets specializes now.
Based on the cursory information I have learned about the original Marine Raiders of World War II fame, I have also thought it was a bit short-sighted for the Marine Corps [of that era] to not realize a longer-term and broader role for the Raiders in the face of modernization, communist aggression, and the burgeoning increase of countries that wanted to destroy America's global hegemony.
I would like to add a little clarity. There was a group prior to MARSOC, Marine Corps Special Operations Command Detachment One, or most commonly known as Det One. It was only meant to be a proof of concept in order to fully stand up and receive full funding for MARSOC.
If they got rid of Marsoc Force Recon Marines could do the same job just as good as the Marsoc marines do.
@@nathanmacdonald6696 It has to do with money and resources. The Marines have a teir 2 element allows them to get money and resources that otherwise would not be available.
@@nathanmacdonald6696false
If you are interested in MARSOC check out the book Tough Rugged Bastards. It is about Det 1 and the standup of MARSOC
Really appreciate you give a little love to Marsoc because as you said, a lot of people have no idea who or what they are or that they even exist. Their training is very similar to Seals but as you said, they don't get recognized for it. So thank you again for showing my fellow Marines a little love.
Blows my mind people don’t know the big men in woodland cryes… they’re so known if you know anything about socom or sof but definitely the most under rated unit
Wtf is Marsoc? Is the only question you cant answer...
Marsoc lives on eating crayons... the deluxe 64 color kind...with the pencil sharpener. Hooyah devil dogs
As a civilian, I never saw a need for MARSOC. Why would the best light infantry on the planet need something more special? You are all tremendous and deserve more appreciation. (PS thank you)
okay just so everyone is clear the original raiders were actually established in 1942 and were among the first elite units of the US military.. they’re not as new as everyone thinks
Yep, actually the WWII Raiders were the foundation for Force Recon in the 1950's, which themselves later formed the first ranks of MARSOC in 2006.
@@terrarecon WOWWWW ! someone with a brain😂 thank you !
My god thank you. Raiders have been around in our history. Thank you for your post. Semper Fi!
And here you have just completely shut down the video.
That's what happens when kids try to create things they don't know about.
@@kevynhansyn2902 😂
SOCOM needed MARSOC more than the Marines did. MARSOC will forever be more disciplined than the other units in SOCOM because they pull from enlisted NCOs. These NCOs come recommended from their command. To get recommended, they have to perform well at their job and stayed out of trouble since the day they entered the Marine Corps. From this pool of excellent Marines, the exceptional are chosen. Having passed grueling physical and mental requirements, you get some of the best Marines who've walked the earth.
true
Nope.... Secretary Rumsfeld saw that there was a whole nother branch of war fighters without a SOCOM element in the fight.
So, " Sternly Suggested " that they stand one up. Plus during that time most of the publicity was going to SOCOM Units...., all you mostly heard about was SEALS, even if was a mission accomplished by Special Forces, Para Rescue, or Rangers, etc... Civilian reporters would say it SEALS or probably them.
No one was really big upping the USMC,so by this point in their history and these particular conflicts, the Corps were more than happy to oblige. 😉
There is nothing original about MARSOC be it what they do and how they're selected.
What in the world makes you believe they're the only SO unit that only picks from NCOs?
@@mc.9839 I didn’t see that comment
@@MichaelEhline I must have hit your response by accident. It was meant for the OP.
Before MARSOC, there was somewhere higher U.S. marines could go - that’s Delta, as they will recruit from any branch. There have been a solid number of marines who have gone on to make strong contributions to the unit’s legacy.
@@PabloRichardFernandez true. Delta benefits from our bearing and discipline the army lost long ago
One of the Delta guys at Benghazi was a Marine.
Special Forces is the name of a very specific command. Everyone else is a Special Operations Unit
True, though most people refer to any SOF units as special forces.
And in other countries they might do the same.
The last move made about the Marine Raiders was Gung Ho and that was made during WWII, seriously.
You're not wrong.
Marsoc as a unit punches well above its weight. The problem is most of the command is conventioal Marine Corps and run the morale into the ground. Most CSO serve one contract and either get out or join SF. Best recuiting program Guard SF has ever had
MARSOC is an interesting animal. They were on the ground when I was in Afghanistan and 2010-11. It was a weird time for them then because they were an available asset, but they still hadn't been fully fleshed out, so they were still running under Naval Special Warfare, which obviously gave priority of everything to the SEAL Teams. This meant that MARSOC SSOs (Raiders) were being used to supplement SEAL operations, either filling gaps from missing team members or acting as the SEAL commands needed them to. It wasn't until a few years later when the full capacity of the Raider Battalions really started to stand up and act on their own merits. Some other guys I knew that were in the 82nd said that a Raider team was operating in their AOR and was a pretty awesome, squared away team. There's a lot of marines that are actually split on their creation and whether or not they should have existed in the first place. Some of the older marines say that they shouldn't have existed because the idea of an "elite marine" went against the Marine Corps ideal that ALL marines are considered elite - thus why FOREC still fell under the MAG-TF structure. In the Army, they have/had the Long Range Surveillance Companies (LRSC) which were sort of the Army's answer to FOREC, but they were also wildly underused because they had recce units within 75th, SF, CAG, or even battalion scouts that could perform the same functions. The Raider Bats essentially rendered FOREC, a historically proud unit, somewhat useless due to the capabilities that MARSOC has been given. They're still sort of the redheaded stepchild of SOF, just for the fact that their niche is already occupied by SEAL teams and Army SF, which makes it so they're essentially supplementing the missions of units that have already been operating in that space for decades. I'm interested to see where the future takes them, because they do run some really badass ops.
In fact, the story told by former Delta operator Kyle Morgan about his rescue of the hotel guests in Mali included a MARSOC operator that was with him while they were clearing the hotel. The part that shows that they were having issues is that while Morgan and this Raider were trying to save people during the hotel attack, the Raider's command kept calling him and blowing up his phone trying to give him orders, get updates, and give commands while he was actively on the ground getting lead slung at him. That's a terrible command, because Morgan never once had CAG highers calling him and they knew that he was moving in on that area - TRUST YOUR OPERATORS.
Your boss calling you in an active fire fight..smh.
I'll never understand why US Marines call themselves elite. Compared to other nation's marines, ours are basic infantry, with the shortest pipeline of any Marine formation elsewhere.
@lowbornfabrication could you imagine how annoying that had to be???
FACT: they are the new kid on the block who needs to EARN their respect.
@anthony90745 they do quite well at that! Not many SOF units knock them for having issues. They are marines at heart, which means they're mission is service, upholding standards, and bringing honor to the USMC. They're also drawn entirely from infantry, or infantry-trained guys, which lends to their benefit as well. USN and USAF don't have the luxury of drawing from pools of extremely experienced and well-trained infantry in the way that the army and marines do. That's a big advantage, especially when tactics while in contact are virtually the same across the board, whether your SF, DEVGRU, marines, Rangers, 82nd, or even 2nd ID. Battle drills are battle drills.
Rip marine at 0:10 bud got his head ripped off by the drill sergeant 😢
In the Marine Corps the term is *"Drill Instructor."* We don't have Drill Sergeants in the Marine Corps. I know it seems like petty semantics but the Army chose their tile for their boot camp trainer and the Marine Corps chose theirs.
Force Recon was always a Special Operations Group...we were just not attached to Spec Ops commands, we worked for the MEF
Err don’t let the non knowing bother you brother. Us marines looked up to force recon just as much.
Special operations capable🤷🏾♂️
@@slightslice3120 I have been deployed with Army and Air Force Special Ops. Honestly contracting for 8yrs after, I have been around a lot of big mouth Marines and 50% sound as ignorant and annoy me as much as this Supply Dude. But let me tell you, I have the greatest respect for Recon and Force guys because they never sound ignorant. There are also Rescue Squadron PJs who are not SOCOM at that moment. If anyone is Force Recon, it says more about you than you can say about yourself.
MEF(MILF) every time I pass a certain sign or the gate in Lejeune 😂
Oh! Thank you, Marcus! How has 2024 been treating you so far? I hope, great.
I've just gotten a book about MARSOC. Now I'm looking forward to devour it!
I notice alot of people taking offense to statements in this video in regards to 75th Ranger Regiment. If you are a member of the SOF community, I would not take offense especially when the statements being made are from someone outside of community. This person making this video has a brief understanding of the history and missions of the units he is talking about. While i do not think he meant any disrespect, some of his statements were a little offensive. All of SOCOM units have proven themselves through their work and sacrifices no need to argue and put your organization history or disrespect another organization accomplishments.
What impresses me more about MARSOC is you already have to be a proven Marine NCO to attend A&S. Those standards physically, mentally, and MOS wise are already high. Not to mention a lot are pulled from Recon/Force Recon who are already incredibly skilled from their training pipeline and pretty much fish in the water from all their swim and dive qualifications. Very impressive!
The MARSOC pipeline is definitely longer than Army Rangers (which has the shortest special operations pipeline). But both are Tier 2 units with different mission sets.
Rangers are Tier 1 and Tier 2.
@@RJTellez Calm down, buddy. Only RRC is tier 1. That is 0.05% of the 75th Ranger Regiment.
No, the battalions are and have been for about 10 years. Look up a CSM named Greg Birch who went from Delta to the Rangers with the mission of ending the Abrams Creed, as it was called. Also look up how Delta was taking so many casualties they needed DEVGRU and that couldn't be sustained unless a bigger unit could be brought up to standard.@@erics362
RRC ( Ranger Recon Company) is a tier one unit. The rest of the Ranger regiment is a tier two unit. Once you make it through Ranger School your not automatically thrown out their with the rangers. You have to prove yourself and go through a lot of training before they put you out there with the ranger’s and go off fighting. There are a lot of Army Rangers that go into Delta force if that doesn’t say something about the rangers. Another thing about Army Rangers, but Army Rangers have never had to be rescued in a fire fight. They are the ones doing the rescuing.
@@nathanmacdonald6696 once you finish RASP, you get the tan beret and the 75th regiment scroll. It's the shortest Tier 2 pipeline there is. Don't get me wrong, they're a great organization with a well-deserved reputation. I'm just stating a fact.
As a marine myself, I love anything Marines do. God bless our marine corps.
You going to retire??
Bet no one is motarded these days?
I retired…..glad I got the paycheck
Civvie life completely sucks donkey balls
Learn how to capitalize Marines
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MARSOC will come in handy big time for whats about to kick off in Europe and South East asia
Interesting point! Can u speak further on what u see thats about to happen in Europe and in China, and how Marsoc can be used in those theaters?
@@MrTruerythmn is this a joke?
@@s.kelley9403No, this is serious
@@MrTruerythmn I was thinking more along the lines of Chinese invasion of Taiwan or something that creates a war between China and North Korea and Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea. Not really thinking about what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
What will they do that's handy?
regular marines are well respected within all sf units, then you can't say they don't have high standards.
So when I seen a Marine Major hanging out at 1st BN, 1st SWTG(A) at Fort Bragg in 1990, this must of been the seeds.
He was in my class, Force Recon guys who were really good got to go to the SF Q-Course. We had two in Afghanistan that crossed to the Army to go strait to SF Gunny Camm (7th Group) and another who was CIA in his civilian job but went with 20th Group (to get his CIB and combat patch). But I have met many former Recon guys in the SEALs, AFSOC and Rangers too.
One of the cool things about MARSOC, is nobody talks about them. The less people know, the better.
Little fun fact if you didn’t know this the marine raiders were made during ww2 and only a few battalions were made but it got disbanded but now here it is
Raiders and Marine Paras in WW2 share the same linage.
I was talking to a marine recruiter a few years back and I asked him did he have any info on MARSOC? No, we don't do that. I've read tons about SEALs and appreciate their creed, "I don't advertise the nature of my work." It's a shame that code is often broken... well done MARSOC!
Those guys work magic with their weapons. A few of us Guard guys got some training from them on deployment and it was crazy shit.
Nick could tell you all about the rebirth of the marsoc Marine raiders and even the cool story about how they asked the OG raiders if they could use their name
The Marines always looked squared away.
The Few The Proud.
Marines take an offensive to anyone other than Marines commanding marines. I think that’s why it took so long for marines to put together a designated Special operations Unit. Force Recon has always had the capability to do the same things as Seals , Army Rangers , SF so on. Because Force Recon is not under Socom , or JASOC officially they don’t get the same number off missions as other special operations units. I think thats why the Marines Created Marsoc ? That and 9/11 happened and there was a huge demand for Special Operations forces and the Marine Corps didn’t want to be left out.
The marines didn't want a special operations force. JSOC, and the Secdef MADE them do it.
@@RJTellez ok I didn’t realize they were forced to doing it. That’s probably why I read every so often they are talking about dismantling Marsoc
say what u want about the 75th, but name me JUST 1!!! tier 2 unit that has found, fixed AND finished 2-3 PERFECTLY executed successful hostage rescues????. none of them, not even CIF/CRF of the SF, which is basically what they were created for. and also name another tier 2 unit that was THE most used asset by JSOC. rangers went from airfield seizures and large-ish scale assaults to fuxkin lock picking and rescueing a hostage or two with no tier 1 CT units involved. theres a reason why delta is always made up of roughly 70 PERCENT rangers.
Marsoc is modeled after SF small dynamic,stand alone if have to teams, Rangers are great & usually have 60+MFers on Op & that kitchen sink, just different, Rangers go to SF, SF never go to Reg.,
@@Frank-uw5xq rangers have HEAVILY evolved since the start of the GWOT, they now EXCEL at small unit tactics. do some more research. and ur wrong when u say GB's never go to range bat. flat out wrong. the 75th is the only consistently used unit directly by JSOC that isnt tier 1, even when SF's CIF/CRF teams where active and under JSOC command. ranger batt has had the most diverse and widespread spectrum of TTP evolutions since 01'. look at batt during 01'- 03', then look at them and the changes they started to implement after there first deployment to iraq. ranger batt is no longer the "sledgehammer" it used to be, its now a sledgehammer with an attached scalpel. when u have small teams of rangers picking locks and sneaking thru windows to kill or capture HVT's or rescue hostages, being flown into said ops by the 160th then you know EXACTLY how much trust JSOC has in the regiment. dont take ANY of this as "just trust me bro" look it up urself. from the interviews of ex 160th pilots talking about flying a small team of rangers in to rescue hostages that they had just gotten wind of an hour prior and how smooth and fast the rangers cleared the builidings, killed the terri's and saved the victims, to ex career long rangers talking about how much batt grew as an elite unit shortly after the start of the GWOT. they can still take an airfield with 100 rangers, but now they can also raid your compound housing HVT's/HVI's with small units of 21 men and be FULLY trusted by JSOC to complete the mission. im not saying there as good as delta or devgru obviously, but again theres a very CLEAR reason why the 75th makes up 70% of the worlds most elite tier 1 unit in the world. and theres also a reason why every unit, be it tier 1 or 2, foreign or domestic have nothing but praise and high regards for them as a whole and as individual soldiers. Fuxk even the brits have made there very own army ranger wing, modeled almost directly off of our current ranger batts in form and function. long winded, i know, but those boys dont get NEARLY the credit or respect that they earned and deserve from most who dont know just how far they've came over the last 20 yrs.
@@danielcampbell9457 rangers are the only infantry level asset that SOCOM and JSOC can use at it's whim.
Calm down dude
Rangers lead the way
Raiders have the longest pipeline if you include the yellow footprints to getting into a Raider Battalion
🤭😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣
If you included from basic training to graduation of an 18D, that’s nearly 4 years. 🤷🏻♂️
@@SNAKEEATER1776 USMC 13 weeks boot camp, another 5 weeks of School of Infantry have to at least be a corporal to try out takes about 3 years in the Marines to make corporal. Most MARSOC guys are ex Force Recon . It takes over 2 years to fully train a FR Marine then the MARSOC course
@@TheCerebralDude nobody cares
@@SNAKEEATER1776 Then why are you replying?
Delta force (CAG) is the most elite group." The Unit" isnt limited to just army. It recruits from every branch like seals, marsoc, rangers, green berets etc.
On land. Anywhere near water, ports, ships, ect., it's DEVGRU, and it's not close in those environments.
A family member is now serving in MARSOC.
Marine Raiders have been around since before socom, dating back to before the beginning of ww2. But Marsoc was as you said officially formed in 2006
I think the level of maturity and prestige of marsoc needs more recognition. Because other branches special operations units can be recruited straight from basic training and no longer need previous service time. Yes, Delta and St6 does but those are the higher echelon of the sf community in their respected branch. Marsoc on the other hand, requires at least a year in the fleet with impecable record to even be considered for evaluation, so depending on your mos, that could already be 3 years of service time.
Recon and Force Recon Marines have always been basically the same. They all go through the same training. The only difference is Recon Battalions support the main group of Marines already fighting. They do the reconnaissance for the Marines already in the fighting basically. They are out ahead of the main forces relaying back to them what’s happening ahead of them.
Force recon Marines are the more experienced guys. They are farther into enemy territory than the recon battalions I previously mentioned. They are supporting the landing crafts coming on to shore. They are clearing the way. Force recon marines are also on their own more or less. They so far ahead that they are out of range of the artillery and so on if they get into trouble. Force Recon Marines can also do the Dark mission that no one hears about until much later. I feel like this guy left some stuff out.
Back in the day the Force Recon guys were the quietest guys on the ship.
Good afternoon Tsply. Nice video, I just want to add the caveat that MARSOC pulled Marines from Detachment One.
During my preemployment training when we were at 29 Palms, we did a little force on force against MARSOC while we were all at a relax, security posture middle of the night I made my saw gunner relinquish his sauce so I could utilize that as my weapon in my defensive posture in a city environment, saw movement through window 80 meters away and I let a solid burst rip of blanks. Of course we didn’t know who the opposition force was until the next morning when I got the pat on the back and I got promoted to team leader right after we get back. Turns out team up and all of their beepers went off. one of the proudest days of my life thank you for reading my useless comment
Awesome . That’s a great story. We would love to hear more. Have you thought of doing a UA-cam Channel? Thank you for your service too.
Thank you for your service, my brothers. Anominty has always been Force Reconn/MARSOC keep component. Jeff M USMC occasional hero nuff said.
Marsoc is getting better many SF,& Seal instructors in the school house now, modeled after SF A-team's,but 14 instead of 12 operators, Marines just bad place to be an(operator) they've always lost guy's to the Army,but they're starting to remove heads from ass, slowly,the Raider's operators are on the level,
Served for 12 years on active duty and left for family reasons in 1991. One of our DIs in boot was force recon and we learned that this was the Marine Corps version of special forces, nobody talked about Navy Seals in 1978. After completing bootcamp and getting sent to Radar school, my chance to become a recon Marine went to zero, they didn't let Radar Techs switch MOS's, you were a rare bird at that point. But I could dream and eventually started scoring 300s on my PFT and shooting expert on the range. Marines are trained in small arms tactics and naturally make good candidates for special operations. I know the Corps never liked the idea of creating a special force unit. Every MOS in the Marine Corps is centered around providing support to the Marine grunt on the ground, he is the center of your universe, your reason for being. To that end, Special Operations don't really fit into that thinking and will always be a red headed step child, albeit, a very respected one as they are Marines and will always be able to claim the title.
EXCELLENT UNIT! I've instructed to and supporter Raiders for years, and they are top notch. (There's some incorrect statements in this video. But, am glad that someone did one.)
MARSOC was the USMC's determination to be part of Special Operations command. Even if it was at the expense of the rest of the USMC. It's not like they were suffering as a result of not having a special forces component. They had Force Recon and FAST.
US army Rangers & USAF always knew their place. There's now less funding in the USMC for other units and equipment
Dude you have no idea what you’re talking about. MARSOCs funding comes from SOCOM. Has nothing to do with the Marine Corps budget at all.
@@patwxdaddyBro...When you have your " Own " air force, that along will tear into a branch's budget.
Also, USSOCOM funds their units moreso than the branches they're apart of.
That's why they answer to them for the most part, rather than their parent branch.
I keep seeing idiots on here compare FAST to Force , BN and MARSOC......
Just stop.... because you have no f ing idea what you are talking about........none....
The Marine Corps was ordered by SECDEF to create a Special Operations Contingent for SOCOM.....DET ONE was the initial element consisting of 86 to 88 hand picked Marines and Corpsman ( SARCS ) ......and because of their extreme success, MARSOC was born........
But don't think for a minute a plt of Marines with long hair did not exist before 2003.......
Semper Fi Merica
Another thing I need to add in here is that SOCOM is all the Tier 2 units special operations community. Army Rangers , Army SF, Seals, Marsoc , Air Force PJ,so on.
JASOC is All the tier 1 units, seal team six , delta force, Army Night Stalkers I think are a tier 1 unit I forget? Army Rangers have a tier 1 unit also. RRC Ranger recon company. They are a special Reconnaissance company that is a tier 1 unit.
Tier 2 units are just as good as tier 1 units. The only difference is the tier 1 units have a bigger budget, so they can get more training in and go to schools that most tier 2 units cant that’s really the only difference between the two. They are trained at the highest level, and can basically all do the same thing it’s just that the tier 2 guys have not been trained or been able to do some of the things the tier 1 guys can.
don’t forget about the ISA which is a part of the army… they have a tier 1 unit too.
@@zachB1130 thank you I forgot about ISA
@@nathanmacdonald6696 no one even really knows about it which is crazy to be honest. let’s be real, they’re literally super spies 🤣
The Raiders (MARSOC) was around during WW2 in the Pacific Campaign. They went in before the main force to recon and sabotage. They were fierce fighters. The Corps brought them back in the later 2000s. A few years ago they changed the name of MARSOC to Raiders
Dagger 22 and Level Zero Heroes, great books both by the same author and about his deployment
I’m joining the marines to BE a raider. Mark my words
Before you do youtube Jake Zweig
You're damn right you're going to be a Raider!!!
Served with those badasses
Raiders are as cool as you think they would be too
Edson's Raiders! The original Raiders were formed in WWII for special missions in the Pacific.
Roughly 10 years ago, when I lived in Ft. Lauderdale. 2 Blackhawks and 4 Little Birds, filled with commandos. Flew right over my house 3 nights in a row. They were doing urban assault training. Assaulting city streets and buildings. Even a cargo ship anchored right off the Ft. Lauderdale beach. Not sure of the purpose. An invasion or civil unrest training I guess. Might of been these guys.
The DoD does that with what was JTF6 🚁 . That unit has changed its name.
Special Forces is an Army unit. Marine Raiders are Marines not soldiers.
True
Marines always had a high standard, Force Recon.
That's where MARSOC got a large proportion of their talent. Some of the elite Recon guys are in MARSOC now. In time, I wouldn't be surprised if they developed their own Tier 1 unit, too.
@@AKSBSU True
@@AKSBSUWouldn't they be retired by now?
when i first saw the title MARSOC i got them confused with MARCOS indian special service marines 😅
The marines did have a group on marsoc level before them force recon was on the same level
The Marine Raiders first stood up in World War 2, but most don't know that. They were 1 of the first special operations unit. The Raiders name was given as a tribute to those raiders who were of old. Research Edson's Raiders.
Raiders date back to WW2, and were disbanded after the War and were revived in 2006 for GWOT.
For me it comes down to mentality. The Marine mentality is just different. They don't take just anyone either. Go to a recruiting office and you'll find out pretty quick that the fuck ups get sent down the hall to army or navy.
There's a certain personality type that is also drawn to the Corps.
When ypu join the Marines it's not by accident. Ypu don't join the Corps to serve in the *military* you join to become a fuckin UNITED STATES MARINE. There's a difference.
If you want your shit squared away, you will gp to the Corps.
No disrespect to other branches of service.
Put me anywhere . if I'm pinned down and you give me a choice of my QRF?
Fuckin Marines every time. Recon,--Force Recon--Raiders, whatever. Send me Devil Dogs.
Lol. What are you talking about? The Marine Corps takes plenty of fuck ups and always has done.
Marine Recruiters knowingly recruited someone with autism from a special home (and yes he got through boot camp etc) who got busted for child porn. Look up Joshua Fry USMC. It's far from an isolated case.
They took draftees in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.
You can't be a branch with 180,000+ personnel (and there were more Marines in the past) and not have fuck ups in it.
There is a certain personality type that is drawn to the Corps, people easily seduced by nice uniforms and their propaganda - I mean PR - and who don't do basic research.
Raiders are NOT better then Rangers , plus Raiders are a tier 2 unit
Great Read on MARSOC by Dick Couch’s Book “Always Faithful, Always Forward”
I always find it funny when i hear that Marines are new to special operations. New to SOCOM absolutely but not to special operations. The Corps has been doing small unit, "scalable" operations since the banana wars of the 1930s!!! Hell the Corps actually wrote the manual describing doctrine for FID and DA!! Its called the Small Wars Manual. But being the poor stepchild of the armed forces, the Marines NEVER get credit for things like this.
"the Marines NEVER get credit for things like this."
Stop blubbering, man. You guys are so hung up on "credit". While damn near every other military member wants our country to win (as a TEAM), and remain safe, and powerful....YOU guys are worried about who gets credit. If you're REALLY concerned with how much recognition marine SOCOM gets, just use some of the same blowhard marketing that you use for your pogs.
I mean, I've always known that a LOT of you guys are complete weirdos, but gatdamn! -__-
Never gets credit? Marines are very good at shouting loudly and getting excessive credit because they never shut up about stuff they did several decades or even centuries ago and often exaggerate their own accomplishments/downplay the contributions of other services, especially the Army. Wasn't it Truman who said the Marine Corps had a propaganda machine that rivalled Stalin's?
As for the Marine Corps' relationship with special operations, it's kind of self-inflicted through their never ending identity crisis and aversion to elitism within the Corps. The Army does not pretend all its soldiers are steely eyed dealers of death. It assigns that respect to its combat arms and special operations. That's why there is a Combat Infantryman's Badge, etc.
The Marine Corps likes to pretend all Marines are equal and special.
They could've become a relatively small, selective, elite amphibious special operations unit, but nope, they wanted to become a proper branch with equal standing to the Army and Navy with a seat for the commandant at the JCS and pushed for the government to guarantee that they'd never have fewer than (I believe) 3 divisions in the National Security Act 1947. Then they wonder why people think they're a redundant second land army.
🐄 💩 ! Poor how??? They've long had boats, planes, copters, hovercrafts, drones, boots on the ground, elite units within them.., etc.
Please stop. ✋️
@@billyjacc ???? You're funny!!! Great joke. Hovercrafts ha! Either you've never served in any branch or you just don't pay attention. The Marine Corps annual budget hovers right around 6.5% of the total annual DOD budget!!! MARSOC is an outlier because a majority of its budget is covered by SOCOM. The majority of the total annual budget of the Marines goes to aviation and maintenance. Boots on the ha! As if that's a measure of the money a branch gets. Do a bit more research before you say moronic things like that.
@@MG-wk2eh it makes me laugh everytime people with views comment on the Marine Corps. It seems like there is some level of anger there. The Marines are an small, elite amphibious force. Redundant land army or not, our accomplishments truly speak for themselves. There is a reason Putin protested to the UN when 300 marines were deployed for training a couple of years ago for the first time to Norway. Our reputation precedes us. There is a history of hard battles fought and won since our inception in 1775. I love how you try to paint us as a branch that lives off of our passed accolades! I won't bore anybody with our performances during the GWOT but they are documented so feel free to read about them. We actually do not get credit for most of what we do. MARSOC has accomplished many missions since its beginning in 2006. I will bet you that neither you nor any of your friends can name or describe any of them.
Kinda misleading. Marines had no need for a special operations and resisted forming one. Marines already had recon elements that can fill those missions for marine deployments. The special operations command is it's own command it's not under Marine command which is the whole point of a separate special operations command. So these units aren't under that Marine umbrella of leadership. So to say Marines had this need and that it sets the standard for a Marine is at best misleading. US government needs more special operations units because you can't just mass produce them because selection weeds out more than 99% of the population. So there is no choice but to use the Marines to fill some of that void. If you could just so easily get enough special operators then Marsoc would have never been formed.
Uhh , why is Force Recon not mentioned. Raiders was instituted in ww2, then disbanded. We started putting things in place in 87. If you see a blue patch with the Southern stars well.....
Crazy to argue that anything Marines do is as cool as Delta Force.
Yeah it's totally crazy to argue about Marines win whole WARS by themselves. It's totally crazy that one of our nations most iconic symbols is the flag raising on Iwo Jima. You are totally right. The only thing the Marine Corps has done is petty shit like island hop through the Pacific and win ww2 , stop the Germans at Belleau Wood from breaking through and winning ww1, or covering the Army's headlong retreat from the Chosin Reservoir. I think instead of having the monument of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima we should have a monument of the wreckage of the choppers in the desert that reperesents DELTA's huge hostage rescue mission fuck up. That was a magnificent tour de force for DELTA. WOW! im fucking hard from thinking about how great DELTA did in that operation. I also get excited about what a great job they did in Mogadishu. Fantastic record!! The best thing about DELTA was the movie which was as cheesy and overhyped as they are
@@HarryPost-o9clol marines win battles brotha. The army wins wars and will always be the goat especially with all of their SOF. Marines are cool but compared to other branches they are poor
@@HarryPost-o9cmarines win wars
Lol. Lmaooo
I know your ass don’t have a CAR
@@HarryPost-o9c There was more Army in the Pacific than Marines. Also, Delta/CAG took out the high ranking officials which would have made life harder for conventional units. Theu deserve respect as the tip of the spear.
@@HarryPost-o9c Marines win whole wars by themselves only in your dreams.
Guessing this guy has never heard a level zero heroes
SEALS need the publicity for recruitment. Remember the Navy doesnt have infantry regiments to quietly select SEAL candidates from so they have to build up a pipeline of want-to-be-SeALS from the general public.
U got everything right but 1. The only truly self sustainable unit is delta. The rest have to depend on the special operations command.
This video is not very accurate. No mention of Gunny Oaks, an instructor at the mountain phase of ranger school and former best ranger competition winner who was tasked with heading up MARSOC.
Read *” A Few Bad Men”* by Major Fred Galvin USMC (ret) who commanded the first MARSOC Unit into Afghanistan, where they were ambushed by the Taliban & subsequently thrown under the bus by SOCOM Marine
Leadership. Absolutely necessary reading
Ask about the Colt M45 1911a1 screw up...
I wish they stuck with M81. Apparently they're phasing out even MARPAT and are now being issued multicam.
sounds like MARSOC is the Creme de la Creme of Marines
I don't understand why people keep looking down on Army Rangers. No Unit captured or killed more enemy combatants than them during the entire GWOT. Not trying to be a troll or anything, but MARSOC didn't even exist 20 years ago. All the other SOF have had decades of experience. And yes I know there were Raiders decades ago, but I'm talking about its current iteration.
People don't look down on Rangers in a disrespectful manner. People look down on them because most of them are under 5'9 😭. Its that airborne center of gravity.
What I don’t understand about MARSOC is that a lot of them skip Force Recon/Recon Marines. And direct to MARSOC. You think that would have been their pipeline only.
To answer the question as to Why; the answer is it didn't and the MC didn't want it. Rumsfeld forced the Marines to stand up a special forces unit.
0:50 have you read A Few Bad Men?
Don’t know if I’d ever compare a Ranger to any other SOF service member… only takes 17 weeks to complete RASP and Ranger School compared to the 1-3 years to become a Green Beret. SEAL about a year and MARSOC about a year or 2. 🤷🏻♂️
Love your channel! Are you a 92Y as well? That’s my MOS
I keep reading every once in a while that the Marine Corps is thinking about getting rid of Marco.
Another interesting thing is MARSOC requires you to have already done 3 years of service. No street to seat for it.
Shooter with Mark Walhberg was Force Recon
The Rock was about Force Recon
The Punisher was former Force Recon
but no MARSOC
I can tell you with authority, the Marine Raiders today area being assigned missions/operations by USSOCOM at a very high tempo. They are very disciplined about operational security and even though they are out there, operating around the world, you just don't hear about it.
Also the Marines don’t let their guys go when joining other SF groups.
I’m in marine infantry myself, I think MARSOC are a little overhyped. We’ve killed them a lot in field ops.
They also are meant to do deep recon but they instead mainly do CQB stuff and wanna be navy seal training. They try to be good at a job that isn’t their role. I respect them still and the selection is badass and difficult. But definitely seals, green berets and rangers are much better than marsoc.
oh wow now this is a hot take lol
CQB is a big part of every SF unit lol. Funny to hear a grunt shit on them when most SF/T1 dudes talk about them highly.
Those dudes are badass, done a bunch of field ops with them and they are certified badass
I hope you went through IMC, competed in and won Super Squad, and are at least ISULC qualified. How would you know dude?
Last guy that said something this stupid was talking about guys going thru ITC. I promise if you’re going against an actual team you’re getting cooked.
ok one thing they ever did right like that V22
You don't hear about MARSOC because MARSOC trains their members to stay out of the news by not doing stupid stuff.
“Just” a Green Beret? Ooops!
I served 16 year's in the USMC 2000-2016 in 06 I became a raider, spent 9 years in Iraq and Afghanistan we worked with everyone but I can honestly say rangers are the best
Rangers are legit for sure, I never served….but worked around a few 1/75 rangers and them guys have a different aura and vibe about them compared to others I’ve been around.
@@codeman9145 seals are lazy and arrogant, delta believes they need nobody else but rangers are professional and true warriors
Marsoc and Rangers are both tier 2 units. Marsoc cannot do what the 75th does - and vice versa.
MARSOC will never compete as long as the Marines have a strangle hold on the CSO's. The Marines cannot stand the idea there are operators more concerned with proficiency over dog and pony show looks. So great operators will get out and go find another unit to try out for.
They are awful at talent management
Did they kill too many enemies in like their 1st use as a socom unit? I seem to recall hearing that they absolutely decimated some village and socom was like whoa whoa not that marine like.
Amen my brothers! Semper Fi! OORAH!!!!!!!
Den of Thieves (2018). Great movie about MARSOC vets doing big bank jobs. 🇺🇸😎
As a former US Marine, the justification given by the narrator is misinformed. There’s no ultimate Marine to look up to. Marines are known for being Marines. That’s the standard. When Americas enemies talk about Marines, they don’t think Raiders. US Marines are a small branch that historically sows doubt and fear in any adversary. I love our Raiders. SOCOM is only enhanced with Marines on duty. There is no greater friend and no worse enemy!
They have the COOLEST sounding name... hands down..
MARSOC....
just sounds so .. special forcy
🙄
Obviously every service needs small units who can infiltrate enemy lines for recon, snatch and grab, rescue, assassination.... They can't rely on the navy
Marine Raiders go hard.
You never hear about MARSOC cause they change their name every couple of years
lol
That’s Delta/CAG/ACE/ -classified-
Please enlighten us from what to what? We'll wait.
@@terrarecon lighten up cowboy. Go join the military to learn some humor
Marsoc was stood up to qualify for jsoc inclusion. We had forcon units but they were never Really utilized by jsoc. Marines wanted more of the action, robbed forcon of all its goons and stood up MARSOC. One of the many reasons they don't get publicity is due to part of the recon creed/motto. Swift silent deadly also refers to maintaining a quiet professional demeanor. But to be clear, force recon was always the gold standard, just had a less inclusive mission set. Nice spotlight on the boys though.