STOP making music your personality!
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- STOP making music your personality! Finn Mckenty reacts to "why you should stop making music your personality by vertaga"
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Finn. Time for a Downset story! 😁
It's all just people living vicariously through other people (because creating art is difficult and doesn't pay, and it's waaay easier to just d**k ride someone's creativity and hard work- which is like constantly positioning oneself as the avatar of virtue because some dude won some noteworthy prize and the very act of knowing them intertwines with your soul and you become one) they idealize to the point of fictional characterization so that they can feel in control of their lives. Their lives that bring them only loneliness, disappointment and consistent dissatisfaction with every new BS thing they consume because it alienates everyone else around them like some falling shepherd's tone into the abyss with every succession of obscure thing they can quote to random strangers to feel that they've enlightened a small percentage of the population everyday with their "uniqueness" that just makes them look like a NERD. Just have a winning attitude and practice loving kindness like me and you'll make the world a better place every day and hopefully attain more clout than your step-dad. I see you.
Daddy's here
When you stop thinking the awful obscure music you listen to makes you cool, your life truly begins
Do you even listen to deathspell omega , Gorguts, or converge? If not you’re a dork and I am better than you
Even my 12 year old sister listens to Ulcerate. Nerd alert.
Seriously! Lately I went down the metal rabbit hole.. again lol after about a year I realized how uncool it really is 😂
@@bibiinspades1953 Like what you like, don't even think about what you don't like
So many lost souls here.
So true. Hitting 30 and realizing that I will never be cool or an arbiter of taste for anyone except myself was hella freeing.
I actually love seeing people post their Spotify Wrapped. I think it’s cool to see people celebrating their favourite artists, it’s like this big annual show-and-tell. Even if someone’s taste is totally different to mine, I wanna know what music they’ve been loving recently. Sometimes I end up checking out new artists from different genres because of it too.
This. Even if it's Taylor Swift and Cardi B on their top spots, I don't give a shit. I just find it interesting to see this
Hard agree, I don't care if you like stuff that's universally popular that pretty much everyone likes or if it's something really obscure with only a few thousand listeners, I'm just happy you found music you love and connect with.
Agree! One of my friends top genres was Weird Core. It’s so interesting to see how many weird sub genres there are.
Yea out of all the stuff that gets shared on Insta and whatnot I find the Spotify wrapped pretty interesting
This was the only thing I disagreed about the video. I don’t really see what makes it bad to post what you listened to at the end of the year and show off the artists you’ve been into? And people get a chance to check out different music too. Which is the whole point 😂
Music is the most accessible and universally loved art form. It should be used to bring us together, not push it apart.
I know right and I know I'm doing it and I'll still keep doing it.
@pkzeldax *THIS!* You're absolutely right!! I agree
totally agree with ya, ive never liked this guys opinions on music
music would cease to exist, or all sound the same according to this guys logic
Personally; I try playing music for people that I think they will like and enjoy it when they do. On the flip ; I'm always so pleased when somebody plays me something I've never heard and really dig it. It's like "thanks!!"
Finn is like that friend or family member who actually cares enough to be brutally honest with you and tell you what you don't want to hear in the hopes that you change yourself for the better
you nailed it
A Finntervention?
No, Finn, I did not press “Play” on different music than somebody else. I press “Play” on music BETTER than somebody else. Yes? Ok?
😁😁😁
I think you could re phrase this as “don’t make consumption your personality”. Music, sports, what you drink, your wacky facial hair, the books you read, the clothes you wear, etc.
Consumption isn’t a personality.
Yes
Is there is a difference between making something your personality and being passionate about something? Because I think everyone should have a passion in life. For some that could be listening to 3-4 albums every day.
@@eaglesandowls I think the difference is if you take that one thing away, would they have an identity crisis or not? A healthy development of personality/identity is usually made up of a range of influences.
@@eaglesandowls being passionate about consuming something to the point of it being your entire identity is not and will never be healthy.
Being a passionate film maker is different than being a passionate film watcher. One requires learning, skill, failure, character building, creativity, etc. The other requires you to stare at a screen.
@@inDefEE Not if you are deeply analyzing the things you are consuming.
i appreciate the reaction bro 😭👊, as a new youtuber this was interesting to wake up to
Thank you for watching!
The "Is Radiohead a transformer" comment killed me dead.
Thinking back to the times when music was my personality, and when I got upset over other peoples music choices, it was a symptom of depression and insecurity. Clinging to the "music guy" personality was a way to stop me looking at the real issues because that was too painful. I wonder how many other people who make X-media their whole personality are the same?
A lot
Nothing makes a person less likable than someone who takes themselves too seriously.
It doesn't matter if it's popular or not, good music is good music.
Right on!🤘🏻
The one thing that I've noticed and absolutely admire about Finn is he gives other content creators flowers, which unfortunately is so rare these days. If he likes someone else's work he always gives them a shout out (just the way it should be) which also reflects on the broad perspective that he has and I have nothing but genuine admiration and respect for someone this real. Keep growing my guy ❤
That's nice that he sends flowers to people.
I feel like when we're young and hormonal we get wildly attached to ridiculous shit and music is no exception. Then I grow up and realize some of the music I was so attached to is terrible. Some stuck. Some didn't.
I’m more understanding of teens and adults in their early twenties being tribal, annoying, snobby, and gatekeepers because anything you get into those years is when you’re at your most impressionable. You’re just plain stupid and don’t know better during those years and that’s fine because that’s part of developing as a human. If you’re over 30 and display such traits I listed about anything you look like a complete idiot. It’s embarrassing to see middle aged people act this way about any media or interests. It’s totally fine to be a super fan about anything just don’t be a dick to people that don’t share your same interests.
I didn’t know my shirt Nirvana was a band until I heard their song on TikTok is my go to conversation starter
It all comes down to, like what you like but don't shit on others people's tastes. We're all different and there's music out there for everyone.
This is basically the story of Kurt Cobain, who wanted mainstream praise but yet wanted punk rock underground anonymity.
I used to be a metal elitist in high school, now I dunk on them. You’re right, being basic is great. It’s fun. Music elitists are actually quite miserable if I can be honest, speaking from experience. It just turns into a flexing contest about who knows the trvest, kvltest, real metal and not even about the music anymore.
Fuck what these people think. And if you’re like that, change. It’s annoying as hell.
I was the same, i grew out of it and cringe so hard when i think about it. I remember hating on country music because it was universally dunked on then whennk started working construction i found far more relatable than metal. I used to dunk on pop but came to apreciate letting loose and dancing to something that was just a simple catchy song. I still love metal its the core of what i listen to but now i listen to everything i dont hate on anything for the sake of it i just listen to what i think is good.
@@thrash208 Oh yeah, I feel that. I definitely still listen to shit like Nile, Exiled From Light, Darkthrone, Behemoth, and Morbid Angel. I'm just not a prick about it anymore and listen to literally any kind of music. I used to dunk on country too, but honestly, there's good music in any genre. You just gotta keep an open mind.
Musics supposed to be a celebration not a condemnation
Being a victim of this is depressing, I used to pretend not to like artists out of fear of looking 'basic' or 'normie'. The irony is, after listening to whatever I want with no care in the world, people are more impressed when they find out I like Nelly Furtado 😂
So true!!
People are more surprised that I love the fuck out of Rihanna, even though most of the music I listen to sounds like it came out of the fiery depths of hell 😂😂
Every metal head has that one women singer mine is mazzy starr
Promiscuous is an absolute certified banger.
This coming from a guy who was just listening to Loathe before I opened the video
Nelly furtado is dope.
Let’s just all enjoy what we enjoy.
But what if someone enjoys gatekeeping music or having music be their entire personality?
This video reminds me of something a wiser man than myself once said when talking about tribalism. He talked about the dangers of attaching your Identity, self-worth and ego to things you like, how it'll make you lose objectivity and more importantly see criticism of those things as personal attacks. Funny thing was, that guy was talking video games in stead of music, but it's a similar kind of mentality we're dealing with.
Finn: “It’s your music, enjoy it how you want. You bought the ticket”
Also Finn: “Don’t play your favorite music in your car if I’m there.”
Well yeah, it’s my car lol
Isn't UA-cam your personality.
@@Anti-You420nah. His channel is music focused but that’s his job. It’s like saying a server makes food their life. No, that’s just their job.
@@HappinessDIY Understandable, but I'd be lying if I said that something I do 8 hours a day doesn't effect or somewhat bleed into my personality
At least for the server used in the example.
Also, that's not to say I don't agree with Finn on 90% of his shit. I just wanted a conversation that went deeper than maybe the music part of this. Honestly, nobody does give a flying fuck what you listen to.
I’ve been playing guitar for almost 50 years. Music isn’t my entire personality, but it’s extremely prominent.
i'll never forget the time this guy on LastFM with the username "Poser Disposer was sneeding at me and wrote this very long essay about how im a "poser" cuz i found & became a fan of metal through the internet. i'm not even kidding this _actually happened_ i think it was sometime around 2014
like bruh i know you haven't seen the light outside your moms basement in like 2 decades but... idk how to say this... people don't discover music from blind-buying CDs at best buy anymore
You sound like you have ptsd from that interaction.
Totally forgot about LastFM and the hours wasted arguing with faceless music snobs. I remember one guy seeing I was attending a show and accusing me of being a poser, because I had barely any listens of the band. My retaliation was "proving" I was a fan by leaving my iPod running their discography on repeat, all day, for a week, so they would appear as my top artist. So dumb, I'd already listened to them for a decade before having LastFM, but what is fandom if you don't have stats to back it up? 🙄
@@amaranthx3627 that site was the embodiment of basement dweller virgins
my step daughter has gotten into arctic monkeys through TikTok and i was like "oh i enjoyed the first album, but not so much the second" and she said she liked the newer ones and we both just were like "cool" and that was that, no hatred no submissiveness, my step son loves imagine dragons and i cant let that go 😂(nah i m happy he enjoys something especially as hes only 10)
now im back off to my slam band that has less than 100 streams because thats trve kvlt
My kid is on Queen and Nirvana, had no idea I could enjoy either of them before he started learning to play a little of both. Kids have a way of prying your mind right open... pretty grand if you ask me.
I think people think they only deserve to appreciate certain obscure music because they did the digging and “research” and therefore should feel special. It becomes an exclusive club to them
I have a slight counter argument.
One’s consumption of anything is never part of anyone’s personality, it’s just an interest. You can be a nice person, or a douchey person, whatever, but that doesn’t change along with your interests. Having interests in media is a good thing because it helps people connect with each other. I’ve built entire friendships upon similar music tastes.
Having a core interest or hobby that is more interesting to you than anything else isn’t unhealthy, and one’s personality has nothing to do with that. Everybody is a total nerd about SOMETHING. Now if your core interest is your only interest that’s the only thing you ever wanna talk about ever, and anything and everything you do is tailored to your one interest, that’s what’s unhealthy.
Metal head with zero dumb tattoos. Rap fan with fitting pants. This is not about me.
I'm a metalhead with bad rap tattoos and loose pants. I'm the failed version of you. 😉😎😞
I’m a metalhead and played in metal bands but no one ever knew I was in a band cause I was the only one without tattoos and I wore just regular clothes.
Tattoos that can all be covered up with pants and a Tshirt. Pants don't fit because I'm now 41 and got fat so I need new pants
I have 0 dumb tattoos but a perfectly cohesive bodysuit. Is It acceptable?
@@unai49999 If it need others acceptance, no.
Yeah I think for the sake of your own sanity you eventually just have to ignore these type of people in their entirety. You'll never really get past the dialogue tree. Fuck off is unfortunately often an appropriate response Lol.
Dialogue tree 💀
Being a normie and basic comes with age. I am almost 50 and I won't hide my love for Taylor Swift any more!!! LOL Your videos are such a highlight of my day. Keep up the good work!
You are not wrong. Tyler is cool😊
I stopped giving a F , when i caught some flak within some circles of friends , about listening to Avril lavigne first album , while i was known as an Alt rock and Metal fan . Also it's funny .... but while we always talked about normies passing some blanket and dumb judgement over metal and other genres ... like ”It's not music , it's noise and screaming” , i mostly felt that it's just that , blanket stuff and their honest , even if sometimes ignorant , fleeting feelings . They don't care much to insist beyond that , unless you really get defensive . meanwhile within some metal fans circles (and other genres) , it was Gatekeepers City
I’m 32 and felt my give a f*cks about what others think of me started to disappear around 27. I don’t know if I’ll ever truly be a normie in the future as I love tattoos, alternative clothing/aesthetic, and crazy obscure music and other media… but I am more open to mainstream stuff and other obscure things I would have shunned when I was younger. Both the mainstream and obscure side of anything has so much interesting stuff to offer! I’ve felt so much happier being open to explore stuff and people outside of my comfort zone. It’s silly to me that anyone past the age of 30 has such an immature mindset about music and other interests. Why make yourself so miserable being close minded and get enraged over anything that you’re not familiar with?
I made out with a middle age blonde bombshell milf at a T Swift dance nite! 🤘 I’m 39 btw.
@@DumbTacoBeastfor me it was my mid 20s as well. I always had a soft spot for T swift and Avril Lavigne. A girl I was dating bought me the 1989 CD when it was new and that shit was on repeat for like 2 months. I gotta be in the mood for it, but I love t swift as much as I love thrown, suicide silence, white chapel, etc.
It's interesting, because last year, I listened to 1250 albums. And I listened to literally everything from vaporwave ambient field sounds to ultra violent goregrind like Pharmacist and Eggs of Gomorrh, to Indigenous Australian pop; AND IT ALL SLAPPED! There's genres and artists for all emotions and times of life! Emotional maturity is partly the ability to personally enjoy different things without validation from others or the need to put others down
I mean I still like weird music, but now that I'm older I have the sense to mostly keep it to myself unless one of my friends shows an interest. But even then I worry it might still be cringe. A guy I know recently told me he got into Sleep, so I started listing off other doom bands he should check out, and he did not seem interested at all lol. He didn't say this out loud, but I could see it in his eyes, "Nah dude, I just like this one band. I'm not trying to get sucked into a whole subculture." So sometimes you can be a little too enthusiastic to usher people through the gate.
Because its fucking cool to show something your passionate about to someone else. whether its an album a book you love IF its something you think they might like by what theyve shown you or told you. If you spend a lot of time listening to music and maybe 'Know' a few more bands they might like I dont see any problem with that thats totally fucking normal. Obviously once you see he does care then thats that hahah We not supposed to talk about shit we like to each other now ffs?
@@UnclePhillyMyAss I think what I was getting at was knowing how to read people better. I'm a recovering elitist metal nerd, so I'm learning a lot of these lessons late in life.
Identification with music I think is to some degree a natural phenomenon. Listening to music can introduce us to aspects of our "soul" that we hadn't been familiar with before. More nuanced and niche kinds of music can introduce us to different aspects of our "soul" that seem more obscure and exciting (because humans are curious and love exploration). My girlfriend told me that identity is a vibe, not a thought, and if that holds up then it makes sense to me that people who make their music taste their identity is simply trying to control the vibe they give off to other people. Of course, this is a superficial approach and listening to nothing but Abruptum and Havohej, while it might make you seem particular, you won't seem sophisticated (thus nobody will take you or your opinions seriously). Variety is part of the experience of being an individual, and being open and sophisticated will help you get what you really want (*a pleasurable social experience*)
That's my based philosophical take on the matter
Bro you hit the nail on the head with "you're not obligated to know every song by an artist you like." Even 20 years ago when I was a teenager just starting to explore/develop my own musical taste it wasn't common for anyone to know every song by an artist they liked. I'd say that behavior was more prevalent in the metalhead/scene/emo/stoner crowds for sure, and I'm definitely guilty of obsessing over a few bands back then, but that never meant someone couldn't be a fan by only knowing 1 or 2 songs. I know the crowd I rolled with was always just hyped if someone passingly liked the music we did lol. "Holy shit, you've heard one song by Killswitch Engage?! We're best friends now."
I hate the idea that people are gatekeeping artists as though you can only be a fan if you know every obscure, back catalogue thing the artist has ever done, or you have to know every lyric that's every been written. It's a gross attitude to have.
You folks do realize Fan means Fanatic, right and Fanaticism is an extremely obsessive personality trait. You can't be a fan by definition if you only know 2 songs. That's like saying youre a stan, but don't even know 3 tracks from them.
@@TallicaMan1986 that's a silly semantic argument at best. The accepted common usage of the word fan simply denotes that you like something. It's part of the common vernacular in the U.S., and while it may be etymologically linked to the word fanatic (debatable if you look it up), it's been used in the common form since at least the early 20th century. The term "fan mail" was used at least as early as 1920, and "fan club" was used in the 30s.
More importantly, who fucking cares if someone claims to be a fan of an artist after only hearing one or two songs? How does that affect you in the slightest? It really doesn't. People can like what they like for whatever reason they want. Nobody has any obligation to quantify or qualify those things to you or me.
@@coleford4258 it's not semantics. These are words that you are using wrong because you feel like someone who casually listens to somthing is a fan. Casual and being a fan are two very very different things on the opposite ends of the spectrum.
If you listen to 1 or 2 tracks. Regardless of how hard. You're a casual listener of the band and a fan of the song at most.
@@coleford4258 no, but it's not hard to use CORRECT LANGUAGE. Wonder why English is such a shit hole of language that hardly makes sense and every single rule gets broken every other word? It's folks like you who just interchangeably use words.
@@TallicaMan1986 again, you're gatekeeping and ignoring the usage of the word "fan" in the common vernacular. It's elitist, trivial bullshit you're spewing because, like Finn says in the video, you've convinced yourself that you have some claim over the media. You don't get to tell anyone they have to meet certain criteria in order to be a fan of something. Guys like you are the types who give fandoms a bad name. You fall into the same circle as the guys who scoff at someone that casually likes reading comics and says you can't be a fan because you haven't read every issue of whatever series they've determined to be "the one." You're the same type of person who says "well if you can't recite every engine used in each model of Camaro, or if you haven't built your own hot rod, or if you don't do all your own car maintenance, then you're not a fan of cars." It's such a shallow and useless personality type.
I'd be willing to bet that outside of the internet, and maybe even on the internet, you routinely use words that are commonly understood one way even though they may be technically defined another way. A good example that most people use is the word "awesome." Awesome is defined as "extremely impressive or daunting; inspiring great admiration, apprehension, or fear." The word is commonly used however to essentially mean "cool" or "that's good." Not exactly living up to the true definition of the word huh? Is that also completely wrong in your book, and do you avoid using that word in any context other than ones that meet the criteria of the pure definition? Or can we agree that language is a fluid form of communication which is subject to social, cultural, economic, and geographical pressures which affects what, how, when, and why certain words are used they way they are?
On a personal note, as someone from Appalachia, I tend to view anyone trying to lord a certain "correct" usage of the English language over anyone else as a scumbag. You sound like the type of garbage person who would hear folks from where I live speak, and scoff at them for sounding "stupid" or "less than." Do better, and quit trying to gatekeep music and language.
Music is the soundtrack for life.
This is exactly why I quit my last band in 2010. I love metal music, but I was 30 years old at the time, and I had not considered myself a “ metalhead” since really I was probably a senior in high school. I just got really tired of the heavy metal rule book. But apparently listening to hip-hop, being a fan of sports is not metal, and when they had an intervention for me about listening to hip-hop, and wanting to watch the Super Bowl, none of which are things I tried to force on them it was stuff I did in my own free time that’s when I said OK this is why I quit hanging out with these people so many years ago. I quit the band a week later.
Wasn’t expecting A.C to be mentioned. Friend in high school showed me them back in the day. Their song titles are so insane.
Gatekeeping while simultaneously wanting credit for “hearing that first” is gonna be the death of me
Felt this way for YEARS!!! Thank you for actually saying it out loud
I remember finding out about Korn between their self titled and Life is Peachy. I fckin wanted them to blow up to household name status. Me and my friends never understood the people hating on them when they "sold out". Same story with Deftones. Still consistently two of my favorite bands since the mid 90s.
I started listening to Suicidal Tendencies when I was a little guy, probably six or so. My dad loved them. Same with Bad Religion and Slayer and tons of other bands.
One last thing, 311 is also one of my top five fave bands as well. 👍
One of the most hilarious cases i remember , was about a friend that used to get mad over the band 30 Seconds to Mars "becoming mainstream and selling out" . I was like "Girl , you discovered the band , because it was fronted by frickin' Jared Leto , known for being a popular teen soapy show's heartthrob , then in a few acclaimed movies ... it always was mainstream , as far as exposure goes"
Tool will always be the best band in history
I desperately needed to hear 5:58-6:35. I made my friend wake up to about 10 texts of obscure death metal bands, because he showed the slightest interest in Power Trip. I'm placing myself in music jail. Thanks Finn.
We’ll be here for you when you get out 🙏
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI'm imagining this guy being released to see Finn and Lucas waiting there to bring him home 😂
Are we not allowed to suggest things to friends that show interest in something similar?
I show my friends stuff I think they'd like. I'd like people to do the same.
May be the way I or they find a new thing to like
If they keep showing interest sure, if not just pick one song/band/album to highlight every now & then
THIS VIDEO SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO ALL DEATHGRIPS FANS! i'm 41 so i remember in the 90s when the consumer as a personality really starting to be a huge thing, what i kinda see now as a parent with people my age trying to push our eras music on their kids, yo stop that shit too for real.
I'm just imagining the way Gatekeepers head would explode if I said I discovered all my rock/alt music from Finn and Nostalgia playlists 😂
My new work van, with no aux or tape deck, has reminded me how much I can enjoy whatever random station comes in well…🤷♂️
And I can’t gatekeep music. I’ve found favorite albums in a field, I’ve found music I like in video games.
Slowly Finn has turned his channel into a self improvement for us. Thanks
Thing is music is often part of a subculture and subcultures help people to develop an identity.
Thank you for making this!!
I think it is part of being young and trying to build your own identity.
People hijacking the music in the car while I'm driving is one of my biggest pet peaves, especially when they play something you've clearly expressed no liking or interest in. lol
nahhh now that's wild 😭 if i'm in someone's car the radio is their's
I'm more guilty of this regarding literature than music. Not that I would try more than once to introduce authors or books that I like to friends, but certainly when I was younger discovering that potential or new partners dislike my favourites almost mortified me.
I was approaching my late 20s before a girl at least 5 years younger than me commented in a comforting tone that it's not essential to agree about everything.
I share my Spotify wrapped just so I can remember to listen to the stuff I was listening to the year before. It’s for me not anyone else lol.
oh man so relatable. i was definitely guilty of music as a personality probably starting around 11 years old to late teens/early 20s. i feel like it kind of relates to that whole wanting to feel special, wanting to be unique thing - which can turn pretty toxic pretty fast - and also makes no fucking sense haha. like, finding more and more obscure and underground artists to like because more people started listening to what you used to like which then makes your likes not special anymore.. such a dysfunctional way of thinking haha. glad i grew out of that trap!
side note, just finished the video and wanted to add: having what you were currently listening to being shown on your MSN Messenger definitely fueled this lol!
Great video! I do agree that bands getting popular is great, but that doesn't change the downsides that come along with it. Popular bands are much harder to get tickets to and the tickets are exponentially more expensive. I wanted to go to the Electric Callboy concert coming up but it's sold out and resale tickets are $200....
I feel the same! I’m extremely happy to see my favorite artists get the recognition they deserve for their talent but at the same time it sucks because it costs so much to see them live when they get super popular.
I fully agree, this occurred to me during the video. Your Electric Callboy comment hits close to home for me. I first started listening to them when they're music video for Crystals came out some years back. I'm excited at the prospect of them playing in the US now, but seeing you priced out of tickets like that worries me.
To add onto this bands get way less accessible. It's cool when they're playing small bars/venues with $15 tickets where meeting the band is as simpler as chatting them up while they're at their merch table. Or recognizing them in the crowd watching the headliners. Past a point, they don't have time for individual fans outside of pricy meet and greet packages or VIP tickets.
Not only you can go to a show only knowing one or two songs, it's cool to do that and discover more. Chances are an artist will only sing their best/most popular songs in a concert. I became a fan of several bands that I only knew one or two songs but watched their full set in festivals. A7X, BMTH, AiC, Ghost, etc.
Yeah I've gone to a lot of shows where most of the bands are ones I've only heard a song or two from. They tend to be the best because youre giving it a much better chance and having a more fun experience than if i just popped their album on and listened front to back. Lots of smaller artists/bands that I'd have never given a chance that wowed me with their show. Especially when they offer stories or context around a song that gives you an emotional connection.
I have a friend who is a metalhead and he asked me to show him his lastfm results of the previous week (cause he lazy) and when he saw that Taylor Swift was in his ranks alongside Lorna Shore he had a straight up existential crisis, ngl it was pretty hilarious.
Sidenote: Queens Of The Stone Age is another example of a very mainstream band that fans like to gatekeep and pretend are some obscure, underground art. Nevermind that, as you’ve pointed out before, they are basically a dad rock band (and I’m admitting this as a fan myself 😊). Heck, “No One Knows” gets played at sporting events all the time!
I've been dealing with this personally, with Sleep Token. I drank the coolaid... And I just want my friends/family to enjoy it as much as I do 😂 but try to respect if they don't like it. Another thing I try to do is be object on their music... I don't think it's healthy to gush over every single song and artist makes, just because that artist made it. I definitely have a handful of ST songs that don't care for.
Did that with deftones back in the day even tho i knew they were realistically mid. I do get a sense of disruption from someone who isn't as in tune with things not getting it. It mostly comes down to arrogance
@@muslimmetalman for me, a big part of it is my ADHD and hyperfixation. Two years ago it was the Hamilton soundtrack, last year it was Motionless In White 😂
Funny thing with the TIK TOK gate keeping, especially in the, “scene,” is the generation gatekeeping are a lot of “MySpace kids.” Especially ironic with a band like BMTH that blew up because of my space. Now people from that era are upset with them blowing up on TIK TOK.
I'm a long standing fan and subscriber. I see your points. From my perspective, elements of the music I like appeal to my personality. Not the other way around.
Finn is spitting absolute wisdom here today. I am someone with some eccentric taste in music, but my life was never made better by trying to pressure people into liking the same stuff that I do.
I also like Finn learned to appreciate stuff that is more mainstream and I've had a great time doing so. No one worth spending your time on is going to judge you for enjoying something that lots of other people enjoy. Listening to Taylor Swift every now and then doesn't stop me from going to Cradle of Filth shows.
Enjoying things is good. If you find people that enjoy the same things as you, that's fantastic. But please do not let consumption control your life to this degree. You're missing out on a lot of great opportunities by shutting out so much of the world.
I walked in on my 15 yr old daughter listening to Custer by Slipknot a few months ago and was like "what? You like Slipknot now?" She told me that a lot of kids her age do now, because Custer is a TikTok thing now. I thought that was pretty cool. I actually went and learned the song on guitar quick because I had forgotten all about the song. It's cool that a new generation is hearing more than just what's on the local radio now. Who cares if they only like it because of the chorus and it making a good TikTok video? Who am I to tell someone why to like something
In her defense, Custer is a great song. I'm also not butthurt that they find music from tiktok either.
Same dude. Took my 13 yr old daughter to see Deftones after she got hooked on Cherry Waves from Tik Tok. Normally I shit on that platform, but it gave us something else to bond over.
@@mikeadair3284 Yep. She's into Deftones too. I had Headup playing in my car and she is like "Wow this is Deftones? I have a bunch of their songs."
For some music is part of our personality, our love of it. It shouldn't be your whole personality, but we have lots of sides to us. And i think it makes more sense for those who play music as well. They may not be creating the music everyone is listening to, but they're playing and creating music. And all music is equal no matter the views.
Absolutely True. Music is for us to enjoy and it depends on what mood you dealin. Its an expression to absorb or release somethin.
Great Video!
Good advice, Finn. Hope it helps someone out. And it's not just music, and can happen to anyone. I got really into cars for awhile and I didn't realize I was 'that guy' until I sold my dream car. Had just graduated PT school, made good money and my grad gift to myself was a brand new Boss 302 Mustang in lime green. I loved that car- a bit too much. Everything became centered around cars, including money- way too much money. All I cared about was track days, washing my car and talking about cars in general. My social hx was all car related crap. I didn't realize it till medical bills (thanks US broken healthcare) forced me to sell the car. Once it was gone, nobody knew me for anything but that car. I'd become completely one-dimensional. Try to be well-rounded people, you'll be liked a lot more.
Your streams are always the best 🤘
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Good video man
I've embraced a mentality of "You won't like anything I'm into and I won't like yours" for quite some time. Just shuts down the idea of overselling my tastes to someone else and vise versa.
Great video, as always! :-)
Thank you!
I'm about 66 now and I absorbed all kinds of music like a sponge since I remember hearing it.
It's part of my lifestyle but I don't think I was ever pretentious about it. Pretty open.
It’s crazy how important music is to your life from like 10-25 or so
I’ll always take pride in the music I listen to, and I’ll show it to people who might also like it because I want smaller artists to get bigger, or for new people to find an old artist they might’ve missed. But only if I think they’d like it. Otherwise, I keep it to myself. I don’t need approval for my music taste. Whether it’s a beatdown band that just put out their first song that has 200 listens in Spotify, or huge artists like Kendrick Lamar or U2, I like what I like, and I’ll always enjoy it, and I’ll share it where appropriate but no more than that
I knew a guy once who openly admitted that he made conscious deliberate choices as to what music he liked based upon a set of criteria that he had somehow been convinced were more important than whether or not the music sounded good.
He was like on of those hardcore religious types who feel they have to resist the temptations of sex and drugs and all things worldly, except he was resisting music with melodies or any sort of popular appeal.
To this day I’m not sure what the point of this was beyond wanting to feel superior to people.
Great video
I kind of attribute you and stuffyouwillhate from turning me away from this dark path! Thanks Finn!
I'm just here to see if our list of regrets in that endeavor matches up.
I call some people "radio fans"... and then "deep fans". I went to a janet jackson concert and there where ppl who really excited about the radio songs. And didnt seem to care about thw album songs. But we were all enjoying to the show and it was good time.
My favorite artists are Slipknot, Rob Zombie, N*Sync, Blink 182, Imogen Heap, Tupac, Nirvana, System of a Down, Andrew Lloyd Webber and Falling in Reverse. I don’t give a flying crap about how people see me based on the music I consume.
I used to get in to arguments with ‘hipsters’ becaues they thought they were being ‘Authentic’. I’d say ‘True authenticity is when you don’t think in the slightest about how people see you based on the music you listen to. So I’m more of a hipster than you are’ they didn’t like that.
As both a musician & music fan,I'm so guilty of this! I think about what Neil Young,who's one of my top musical influences,said about this after he became a father.He said that there's more to his life than music,and this is somebody who was very dedicated to his music early in his career.Now that I am a father myself plus more(sober, married,etc),I truly understand what he meant.When it comes to my own music I don't force people to like it,and I also do not force them to like musicians that I am into,such as Neil Young & Jason Isbell.
To paraphrase wrestling icon Jim Cornette,"If you don't like me because of my merits,go piss up a rope.Thank you,fuck you,bye!"
*Finn:* Don't make music your personality
*Also Finn:* [has a UA-cam channel talking about music that he didn't create]
Some fine hypocrisy there
Great video!
There are a view things I can learn from it.
Having a partner who isn't a metalhead has finally allowed me to listen to whatever I want without fear of judgement or some weird personal shame. The past few years, my taste has opened up and become even more eclectic. Also oddly enough, my partner now listens to more metal than ever (and I didn't even push it onto him). It's so freeing to just like what I like whether it's an underground metal band, TikTok-famed artist or some nostalgic cheesy 90s song.
Same for me but my partner is the metalhead lol. I used to listen to a lot of metalcore, poppunk etc. in my teens but ultimately ended up in the goth community where elitism was very intense. After I got together with my very non attached basic looking bf who happened to like metal, I figured I can look however I want and listen to whatever I want. I don't even want to be liked and accepted by people who care about such superficialities in me. Now bf is getting more into the scene but that's his thing. I found myself and I love that.
I remember I used to think like that when I was in my early 20's. Nowadays, my playlist goes from Napalm Death to Benee, from Bad Bunny to Bleeding Through. It's not even about genres anymore. It's all good. 🤘👽
I love ghost, I have listened to them before Mary on a cross. I’m glad that they are blowing up BECAUSE of Mary on a cross. I want my favorite band to have more fans. Idk why that is such a crazy concept for people
My problem with discovering music through TikTok is how I see it effecting my little brother. He only listens to the sped up songs that the original artists didn’t intend the song to have and almost all of them are put up on streaming sites by people who just sped it up and uploaded it.
Tik Tok is the problem
I do listen to music throughout the day but not at high volumes mainly just to help me work, but I don’t make it my whole personality.
Omggg I hate ppl forcing their tastes on me and how so many ppl only want friends who like what they like. We can like different things and still be friends. None of my friends share my music tastes, I wish I had more friends who share my music tastes but I’m not gonna force it on anybody. I was an old soul at like 12 because I was listening to Jimi Hendrix and The Doors but I’m almost 40 and ok being a normie and listening to most of the bands you talk about on your channel. 🤣
I remember in 2005 this girl on high school and her screamo friends constantly mocked me for still liking blink 182 because they'd broke up. And now they probably the same people who go to blink reunion shows and act like they always loved them
I agree completely. Also, it does seem to maybe not be new but way more common than it once was when it comes to most media.
I agree with this, it shouldn’t matter where you find music. It’s very stupid people get mad based on where you find a song or artist.
Although, what concerns me with TikTok being the biggest platform where music is found is that artists will transform their music to “fit” TikTok. So like, songs getting shorter for instance. Why make a song 3 1/2 minutes long when they only need to create a catchy 30 seconds? TikTok is like a confinement for alot of music already
I understand the urge to “own” a song even if you didn’t write it. Music can be intensely personal and sometimes a song just hits you at a spot in your soul that you immediately feel an intimate connection with it, or with the artist. Then some guy comes along and edits it in a way it definitely “wasn’t meant to be”, and your personal click with the song makes you think, that this guy doesn’t get the song.
Then you just have to keep calm and scroll.
Confirmation bias can be a real bitch sometimes
In the 90s I discovered alot of death metal or hardcore bands by seeing bands I like wearing t-shirts or stickers on their guitars of bands and I would check em out based on that. Nowadays its just kinda a an updated version of that.
Yep exactly
Finn, I totally get your 'struggling to be basic' take. I've listened to and played metal and punk most of my life and it took until my 30s for me to admit that actually I love country music and bluegrass is the epitome of awesome lol. It's actually based af being able to openly stan for someone like Taylor Swift imo
I only half-agree about people centering their identities around the media they consume being only about a 20 year phenomenon. I would argue that it was only about twenty years ago that this tendency became mainstream. But it’s been a thing, particularly among people who are more socially awkward and isolated, for much longer than that.
Heck, that decades-long tendency among metal fans was a big part of the reason why Metallica got so much backlash from them during the Load era (even though they were still hugely popular among “normies”).
I see nuance here. I enjoy it when things I genuinely like are enjoyed by other people. There isn't really a mono culture anymore. All of my friends are into different music and stream different shows. When something comes along and seemingly everyone (myself included) thinks its good, that's a REALLY rare and special thing in this day and age. It's that campfire experience of enjoying a piece of entertainment or media that is now largely a relic of the pre-internet age.
I disagree with the argument that things are better just because they're enjoyed by more people. A better argument might be that more accessible things reach a listener more immediately. Things with pop oriented sensibilities are better adapted towards a casual listener.
It would be ridiculous to think you could put on Dillinger Escape Plan or Sonic Youth at JC Penny and have people think it was anything other than unlistenable noise, but kids would go to those shows or nerd out into those records at home and become cult like fanatics for the influence of those sounds. They would go out and start their own bands and do their own things. Pop music for everyone - enjoyed by millions of people - doesn't typically reach people on that level. No one goes to an N'Sync show and thinks "I can do that too. I think I will."
There is something to be said for the "This is mine. This is ours" factor, that contrarian element. Subcultures and identity politics go pretty hand in hand.
Totally agree with you on this. I feel when a song is liked by tons of people, it's true that chances are you wrote a very catchy song; but at the same time, marketing plays a huge part to it. The bigger picture I personally see is that regardless of the numbers, if there are people out there who enjoy what you composed, that's an achievement worth celebrating!
Stop making it my personality. . . This topic honestly started out when I was a highschooler and it freaked me out, because I still don't get it, cause music is largely who I am, but most people who were actually friends with me knew that the music was only the surface and that I used it kinda like a shield from un wanting stares
Note tho* - I wanna try to cut back.
I think people need to stop hating all together Finn. Let people like sports and any music. Everyone shut up and don't have any opinion because any opinion can upset anybody. Everybody is a critic not just the "official critics"
You can't say "like what you like" and then have different judgemental thoughts. Please get off your high horse
Man this is good, and I learned a thing or 2
I wish someone told me this a long time ago. It was the reason I held myself back a bit and people saw me as someone who knew so much about a certain genre that when I didn't know a band or all the lyrics to a song it would disappoint people or worse.
I always found that the transition from being a teen to an adult for me was when I stopped making the media I consumed define my personality. I understand it at the highschool level because a lot of people don't know who they are yet and just kind of cling to whatever their media interest is. Whether its anime, music etc. I went through a terribly embarrassing highschool where ska, and then, (cringes) psychobilly was my personality. I'm sure happy I became mostly a normie.
This hurt😂