The Celtic idea was there is an "Otherworld" afterlife with many realms but it was not the end destination , it was a place of rest and recharge before you 1. reincarnate 2. become a spirit that watches over a place or person 3. become an active spiritual force in the world.
Starting to think Helheim/Helhām is a term literally meaning that. Hel comes from a root meaning hidden or covered, if I remember right, -heim is basically realm. So, hidden realm / otherworld
Oh i agree that there is not much left about Slavic beliefs. And i kinda feel that the 3rd option you talk about is a logical for me. I read somewhere that Valhalla was a place where spirits go to rest and await the rebirth.
I had a thought after watching this vid: Might it be possible, considering the time-frame of the known mentions of Valhǫll as an afterlife, that the concept was intentionally created and disseminated as a sort of motivational concept contextualising Ragnarøkkr with the struggle against Christianity? As if the message was "Don't worry if you fall in battle for you'll join the ranks of the einherjar and will fight the enemy at Vígríðr", as opposed to the unpleasant option of merely being reborn into a potentially Christian world.
I like this idea actually because the end times verses the warrior heaven fits well. And I certainly am tired of being reborn into this shit hole of religions conquering and controlling. I hope there’s a way to exit stage left at some point because dying in battle against the nw0 and then being reborn into it doesn’t sound great.
So here's an idea from a Jewish person not a pagan, but it might be interesting to this topic especially since a lot of people think we believe the same thing as the Christians, So Jews believe in reincarnation and there is the notion of rectifying once self in each life and there are some people get to the point where they perfected to the point of not coming back But in some cases they still do not to rectify themselves but to inspire so to speak a generation. Valhalla might have been a similar concept
but 3rd option reincarination valhalla would not be appropriate, because why the hell they would put in burial place than swords, axes etc. - no newborn is never get those anyway!? 2nd option sounds reasonable for me:)
I wonder if like in Hinduism there a concept of the atman. In Hinduism when we all wake up the universe ends because at that point there is no need to pretend we are separate beings. Then it restarts again over and over. Maybe odin fears us all waking up and he knowns one day everyone will realize the truth and then it starts over. He can't fight it because it's inevitable. It's just a thought I am entertaining that I don't necessarily believe in.
my only issue is why so many religions what is the truth is science the truth is it related to some religions like what's real Odin . Zeus , Allah or Jesus what's real nobody seem to come up with a real answer . Viking beliefs were abit weird in some ways but so is all the other religions I love Viking Beliefs but its really hard for me to believe that we really know why we exist in the first place are we just sentients with some universe energies we call gods or what you said everything had hidden meanings that would mean whatever all the religions believe is distorted from the original writings and we have lost the main knowledge .
I've been a practicing pagan for 16 years and the past 6 of them have been studying Hinduism, Taoism, and Buddhism. What I've learned is that everything is connected and energy is everywhere. Seidr and Tantra, for example, are very similar. The exact methods may differ, but the connections made are the same. If you go back far enough in any culture, you'll find similarities in their shamanic practices and their core beliefs. This is because nature is not that different, despite where we live. We all have the same moon and sun. We all see the same stars. We all find connections with animals and water sources. The names may be different, but that's just because languages have changed over thousands of years of migration. But go back far enough in any culture and you'll find we're all connected.
Do we have a legitimate Seidr tradition still around? Genuine question, I'm very much under the impression that what alot of modern pagans practice as far as "magic" for lack of a better term is influenced by modern neopaganism or other living traditions which may explain the connection. I very well may be wrong, and in this case would be overjoyed to be wrong. Where would I look if indeed this stuff remains?
@@travismitchell210 It's hard to say. Like the Gauls/Celts, the Norse didn't write much down. They only used runes rarely for special monuments. We have an Icelandic book of spells that gives us some idea of how they practiced (Icelandic being the closest language today to what Nordic tribes spoke). We have some mentions of Seidr in the Eddas in stories involving Freyja and Odin. Odin sacrificing himself on his own spear while hanging on the boughs of Yggdrasil is a shamanic ritual. Many shamans believe that you don't become a shaman unless you've experienced death. Odin learned the runes and taught them to Freyja. She in return taught him Seidr. We also know that the Germanic tribes mingled with the Sami people, who were shamanic in their practices, as they moved north into Scandinavia. Which explains the allegory of the Germanic gods (Aesir) fighting with the nature gods (Vanir and Jotun) before the Vanir merged into the Aesir. It's a reflection of how the people fought with the Sami before merging. At least in the southern parts of Scandinavia. We do have reconstruction attempts made by modern authors, but it's just like modern druidry. We only have records of magical practitioners of the area from descriptions made by outsiders. For the missing pieces we have to look to the Sami practices to the north and archeological finds of what tools and attire Seidr practitioners were buried with. The difference is that druidry has formal reconstructionist courses with modern reconstructionist organizations. Seidr reconstruction isn't quite that formal yet. There are some teachers, authors, and UA-camrs but not many. And it's hard to tell just how valid those works are.
Love this because it really is that so many of our ancients knew what was real a d truth but it’s been burned and banned. The difference truely is perception and what it’s named. But when we take the time to study other energy arts or theologies, we can learn so much about our Germanic inner knowings.
Gonna just be honest varg broke it down best. As did einar selvik for that matter... existence is clearly cyclical. And that principle wasnt lost to our ancestors. All it takes is a few months in the woods to come to this conclusion, wether done in thailand, scandanavia, or some plot of land in northern michigan... You will climb no tree unless you can see past the tree. You absolutely nailed it in this video. Definitely won my subscription.
Yes the forests and beautiful waters of northern MI have done well by me. When the insanity of the world gets to be overwhelming walking in the woods is the best therapy I have found. Its beautiful and just in case shit goes bad it sure wont hurt being surrounded by most of the earths fresh water ;) I can definitely see why my family chose NW MI as their new home when immigrating from Friesland and Denmark, there are many similarities ...minus the salt water that did so much damage to our lands back in Europe.
of course , Hindu and Celtic , and Germanic, we are one , yes I see it now. thank you! I am an old man 76 now and I very much enjoy hearing about the old religions, you have a lovely Thors Hammer!
One thing you didn't discuss is the comparison between Valhalla and Folkvanger. You also didn't discuss the role of the Valkariyes Please make a video on this in the future. Much love
I've always believed in reincarnation, and when I was in my teens, had serious spiritual insight on what I thought were past lives of mine and how 2 of my loved ones were in them. But there's a problem that just doesn't add up. Numbers of souls versus total numbers of people on the planet at different dates in history. My earliest and non-Ger manic life was as an artisan during, I think, some time in the New Kingdom in ancient Egypt. So how many people walked the earth back then? Now, let's look at today. We have an over-populated planet. Perhaps in present-day India you could have the same number, or even higher, of people living all over the whole world about 1.300 years ago. So what does that say about the number of souls? Do they reproduce, too, just as human bodies do? That's my big doubt, though I still believe in reincarnation. The numbers just don't add up.
There’s actually a lot of insight to this in the uncorupted new age theologies. Not the goverment steered ones. Also in Hinduism Yes souls can make baby soul sparks as others ascend out
it's not a stretch to suggest that most people today have not lived before / have young souls / have no soul. the average person has almost no concern with the past, nature, or spirituality except when it's socially beneficial for them.
I absolutely love how you paint a big picture and not just look at things isolated. The connection to Hinduism, reincarnation and so on, great work. People who think this way should connect. This gives me hope.
From what I understand, Hel is the standard afterlife, where spirits go to continue life as if on Earth, until reincarnation. Valhalla and Folkvangr were where those who died in battle would have gone. In this context, it would make sense that mentions and beliefs in such realms amongst warriors would increase later on as populations grew and more people sought out the warrior life, especially once overseas raiding began.
Reincarnation, yes! I have been in Thailand for many years , speak thai, and am Buddhist, which suits me very well. reincarnation is a central point in Buddhism and in Thai, Hundi etc religions. In Thai cluture they have gods of earth, water, trees, sun , moon, animals... which is similar to Celtic culture, I felt right at home there.
the Germanic word Buda , German Bote, means Herald/messenger/ delivery boy, so Buda = Buddha he Proclaimed/brings the messege / delivers the truth . …*budō-, *budōn, *buda-, *budan, germ., sw. M. (n): nhd. Bote, Verkünder
Finally! I get so tired of hearing people with cheap internet swords and dime store beards talk about how they're going to Valhalla. Ugh. I'm like, "Listen Larry, you work at a coffee house and do nothing but play video games. Pretty sure Odin is not waiting with baited breath for you to die..."
Thank you so much for this. Like so many of us, I am surrounded by the "brosatru" guys who think they are these new "vikings" because they grow a beard, they often have the "Ragnar" hair, and some "viking" tattoos and say "see you in Valhalla." As a true believer in the Old Ways, I am always seeking to deepen my understanding and increase my knowledge of the faith, and this is just what I needed. It is interesting that in my spiritual journey out of Christianity I studied Hinduism for several years and that the journey has in some ways led me back. Keep up the good work!
I was pronounced Clinically Dead on the 14th of November 2019 three times, I was airlifted of which I have no recollection. I don’t even remember getting to the nearest hospital, nothing. I remember being seated at a massive wooden table with three longhair muscle bound men, they all had different color hair with different color eyes. The one that was at the head of the table looked at me and said, “you have to go back”, I looked down and when I looked up I saw my daughter at my side. My husband was there too and he asked me what I had encountered in the other side, (as a physician he didn’t want to give up on me).......What you explained makes perfect sense 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
It's a mixture of all the different things that are mentioned. A "golden" hel where you await your reincarnation. Like a first class hel. A way to elevate some higher status people to the front line of who aught to be reincarnated first.
Now I'm worried. I am 18 years old and a boxer. Two years later, I will enlist in the army and die, and I am glad to meet everyone's father Oden in Valhalla. I'm going to die fighting and I hope my destination is Valhalla. ❤️❤️🇫🇷🏴❤️❤️
oh it maby helbs about the abbreviations, today moddern German ( Deutsch, tysk :-) )is high German = hd, before alt hoch Deutsch = ahd ( old high German ) , before nieder hoch deutch = nhd ( nether high German ) .
in the uralic world it´s related to the different concepts of the soul.. a person could have up to five different "souls" that all went to different places.. the breath soul went to the sun where it was re-incarnated and born again to a child of kin.. in the next tribe it was the shadow soul that went to the moon.. so the sun and the moon both very important in this.. in the next tribe one of the souls carried on / was re-born as their totem animal.. so all the earthly bears you saw were actually your dead relatives which is why you could not kill bears (while the tribe next door had no problem of killing bears). then there´s all kinds of beliefs about a place of spirits that is beneath the ground / in the mountain / in the lake / down the river.. usually one of the souls travels there.. it´s the place where the spirits of the ancestors live (just like they did on earth, a matter greatly emphasized).. there´s even mentions of a valhalla-type warrior heaven but it´s considered turkic influence (it´s one or two notes compared to hundreds of pages about souls and re-incarnation). that probably doesn´t help much, just to give some idea of the diversity.. people were more local / clan based back then which is the perfect building ground for different beliefs.. the common nominator, as you said, is the same everywhere, that it´s re-incarnation based.. i would suggest tracing the different parts of the soul in your native languages (breath, shadow, self, shape, ray (sun rays, moon beams), blood, hair, tooth, spirit, child, body, birth, words like that.. maybe different animals / birds / insects that were seen as soul animals / totem animals.. it´s complicated but not (it just has to make cyclical sense).
also bones, heart and liver, all connected to souls, as well as dreams and names.. i mean, they returned the bones of dead animals to nature so that they could be reborn, it doesn´t get any plainer than that.. i think it´s important to understand that the shaman is not there to make the tribes the same.. they´re there to make the tribes different.. you don´t want to be doing the same things as the neighbouring tribe, whom are sometimes seen as the enemy.. also that it´s likely different layers that have been added through time.. at first it might have been only one or two "sacred parts" (blood, bone, breath, shadow) and then other concepts were added to it.. like the uralic fifth "male soul" could very well be a "warrior soul" (that might have gone to a different place) but it could also be a "hunter´s soul" that simply turned into an animal.. it is well documented that they (some uralic tribes) took the heads / scalps of enemy warriors so that they could not be reborn, which again doesn´t point to a valhalla type place but to this earth. to me it´s the environment you live in and how many "sacred parts" you want to include, in the "whole".. before the uralics there were the pre-uralics (tsuudit) whom are considered a true winter based culture.. it is told that they never wiped snow off them.. to me what this suggests is that their children might have come back as snow flakes.. it is always something tangible like that, because that´s how they thought (and that´s how we still think).
About the Reincarnation and the Indian Veden, so far i Know comes the Indian Veden from the Russian Weden, so the Weden a few thousend Years older than the Veden, so yes of couse our Ancestors Know that is the truth, they took it from our knowledge to Create the Bibel, like the most of our Spiritual Knowledge, but around the Year 454ac Emperor Justinjan took this part at the Council of Constantinople out and put a spell on it. the word Weden means Knowledge. Is ( you know him as Jesus ) spoke clear about and the number with the 3 days of dead and come back in life again is about the fact that there is an Genetic selfrepair mode in every life form that turns down all others systems so that it is able to repair the Damage, that goes that far in extreme forms that even the heart stops for a while, of cause that looks from the outside like realy dead. thats because we lay out our dead for a few days ;-)
We think that Valhall is the place where you meet your ancestors and there you talk with them and you wait there for your reincarnation why your spirit have to grow and when you finished your way s you grown out you stay in Valhall but for what is know the question maybe some one can help us . Your Movie was very good and helpful we didn't know about the writen Edda's from the Christian but we had this in the feeling that some of this different Myology was changed to become the people to get them faster to change their believe
Odin was the Master Shaman. The Norse people used mushrooms and mead and were very into "seeing through/lifting the veil". I think Valhalla was a type of "reward" for those waiting to be reincarnated. As a pagan Celt, Myself..this makes perfect sense
I wish people would focus more on how we live our lifes and how we treat eachother, instead of thinking about what happens after death and which (delusional/fictional) religious concept "is right" in the end. Because: ek veit einn, at aldrei deyr, dómr um dauðan hverm very interesting content brother, I keep watching with great interest. Greetings from an old german :-)
Real Question here: Wouldn't not believing in Valhalla throw the rest of the stuff out the window as well? Such as waiting in Valhalla until Ragnarok? And what about Fólkvangr? Is there any actual evidence that Fólkvangr was believed to be a real place as well?
I find myself asking that sometimes too. Some things old religions were right on. But some things not. Its ok because all they has was the technology at the time and what they experienced.
Yea I been dealing with it my whole life. I had no TV as a kid. I think I over dosed on Myths. Then I studied Molecular Biology and got a job testing DNA about 18 years ago. The DNA started blowing my mind. I am a Melungeon so I heard Gypsy Myths, African Myths, the Norse myths preserved by Kale in Wales. Why Welsh people preserved all kind of Viking myths is weird. But the amazing thing is how similar it all is especially the Iroquois Seneca. It's as if the Seneca are descended from one of Odins wives. The Seneca have a Jesus too accept he is a Muskrat. The Matrilineal tribes kept the Earth sacred because the Forest was their life support system. The Farmers and Wall builders are the Patrilineal tribes they see the Forest as a threat. But all people have some common origin - it's the Mbuti pygmies. Funny we are looking for Giants - we are Giants. The Pygmy is a real man.
@@CountBeetle I'm not sure my Maw maw told me all the Iroquois stories. People like me know a lot stuff that's not on the phone. I'll look and see. I would search Hadenosaunee or Sky woman and Muskrat or Turtle Island and Celestial Tree. The Seneca story I was told as a child was the most magical heart breaking tragic and uplifting heroic story I ever heard in my entire life. I have an almost maternal feeling of emotion for protecting Muskrat in the Big Ugly forest where we are from. Sky Woman fell down into the roots of yggdrasil and she fell down to the Earth where there was a great flood and she saved many animals and gathered them on the Turtles back. She was the wife of the Thunder Father and full of magic if only she could get a handful of mud she could rebuild the whole Earth on the Turtles back. The Mountain Lion tried first but could not dive- the Otter kept getting distracted and eating Fish. The Beaver was to Fat to dice deep. The great Bear tried but could not get to the bottom. Then the goofy Muskrat said " let me try" and everyone laugh except Sky woman. So Muskrat dive deep and got some mud but he could not hold his breath and choked on the water but with his last but of strength he handed sky Woman a handful of mud then Muskrat died. Sky Woman threw him in the sky and he became an ever lasting sky god ( the big dipper) and his children were given great blessings by Sky Woman.
@@CountBeetle Only Vikings and Iroquois called themselves people of the Long house; only Biking and Iroquois and Altai have y chromosome Haologroup Q and R in proximity and X chromosome " X" - we jokingly call the Atlantean modal haologroup because it appears to originate in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Vikings and Iroquois were once the same people often called Solutrean
The fact that it was customary for The Norse to often name children after a deceased grandparents, or ancestors reflects a much stronger emphasis on reincarnation than simply a larger focus on Hel or Valhalla. But, the Norse idea of reincarnation is little different than Buddhist, and Hindu concepts because in the belief of naming children after ancestors it was thought the child might inherit "reincarnated personality traits/skill set aptitudes" from the deceased ancestor, not necessarily the inheritance of an ancestral soul in the sense that the eastern religions understood it.
According to Rudolf Simek in "The Dictionary of Northern Mythology" (well worth getting for scholarly insight), there are "some mountains in South Sweden which in folk belief are thought to be the place where the dead live, as mountains of the dead are also called Valhall." So Valhall could come from old norse 'Hallr' meaning Rock rather than 'holl' meaning hall. Perhaps the idea of Valhalla therefore is related to burial in mounds/ dying into mountains as we see in the sagas/archaeology. And then the idea of Valhalla as a hall of the slain is a later development from that idea.
Yes Iv'e got that book and love it. Forgot that part actually. Yes and lots of folktales later on in time mention ancestral spirits living in the rocks/mountains. Thats something to look more into for sure.
I think holl is the word for a rocky hall. Still use it in Norway as a word. Im thinking rock covered floor, just like a cathedral or other big construction.
As i always say... ,,We all will see,,😉. For now i live my life until the time the nornes have decided i can go. I don't fear death neither i want to provoke it but i'm excited to see what's comming after. 😁
I would love to. I just don't know enough about the celtic ones to speak. I will maybe do a video in the future with someone else who is more knowledgeable.
"Maybe Valhalla-the place people generally associate as Viking heaven, instead of representing a literal new place, instead represents the mindset of affirming reincarnation. Stay with me a second, Valhalla a place where you eat and drink, and fight for eternity...thats life." was gonna post that on a video i was watchin like 5 minuets ago lol
I am sorry I dont know your name. In Buddhism ( wich is a wrorn it is called Buddha Dhamma= Buddha teaching) there is also a waiting place where we wait to enter a body based on how we lived. I love your Thors Hammer!
It's supposed to be Wuotan's aka Odin's hall a place for feasting fighting & fucking and repeat until Ragnarøkkr (Ragnarok) in Ásgarðr (Asgard) and only the selected may enter Valhǫll (Valhalla that has been taught) the selected are the slain in battle chosen by Wuotan and or his Valkyrja (Valkyrie)
Hello everyone! I am not germanic as far as I know but I do look like a germanic person. I never heard about Valhalla before and did not know anything about it until I died during my spine operation. I searched answers everywhere about golden light and afterlife and surfing on the net I saw a similar tree which was an illustration of that tree and it said Valhalla. Yes it is real much more than this world. I saw the most beautiful gigantic golden tree and one leaf caught my eye and immediately something told me :" the leaf that you look at is more worth than anything and everything on earth". There is only peace not even one bad thought. I saw a few people in white robes which I felt like they are " the elders". They were standing by a weel and were happy to see me and I felt that I am finally home again. I knew I died, there was no time like here and time didn't have any meaning there because I knew that this was eternity and I knew that every moment is fulfilled with great adventures waiting to happen. I was happy just like when I was a child and didn't want to come back, I felt that a whole life on earth is just a blink of an eye there and there was no judgment at all, elders were saying something but I can not remember what. I saw my Guardian and instantly I was back in my body screaming in pain and felt very sad to be here again.
Sounds very similar to my near death experience. There is a video on my channel and I have been grappling between this a Christian beliefs for a long time and I think there is an element of both because it was just pure love that I felt but it also felt like a return to home and I have always felt like I have been to this world before even since a child. So idk some of the Christian ideas don’t match up to my experience and others do. I saw beings of pure light and buildings for pure light with almost gems in them and beautiful otherworldly music. But thank you for sharing your experience that is amazing
What a great video. I was always under the concept and this being simplified, that Valhalla was where the warriors went to to wait for Ragnarok and Hel was where the common folk went to. This mainly due to my laziness and reading historical fiction books.
Ovaries! No wind! Selection of dharma! Read all about it! Knowing that all the Indo European peoples - no matter where they ended up - were very aware of the self-realization and the atman going up in the brahman and had a reincarnation world view, Valhall as a 'heaven you go to when you die in battle' is out of the question. Possibly much later on someone might've thought that - when it all comes down to it we all actually die in battle, since life is struggle and suffering (not the least according to Buddhism). Jung's Warrior archetype has Indo European roots, and 'the death of the warrior', i.e. the death of the ego with self-realization as a result, is something we all have to go through, and the Indo European peoples did this both physically and symbolically to reach your higher level (the YT account Thoughts on thinking has a great video on the strive for excellency in Homer). Nirvana - nirva=wind and 'na' is the negation, so meaning 'no wind' - and moksha is the most probable origin of what later became Valhall. Where there's no struggle and suffering (wind) there's peace, i.e. no more rebirth. In the Vedic texts they talk a lot about that death is just a state where you choose (VAL!) your soul's swadharma before being reborn. I personally also think that Valhalla is a metaphor for the ovaries - a place where you choose your swadharma but also where you are the one chosen to be reborn. Of millions of sperms the egg (Freja) chooses one sperm to fertilize. We are all the chosen one - we have been 'VALD' (VALGT in Norwegian). In nature it's all a selection. And a very interesting last point is that the norn Skuld (meaning both 'debt' and 'what will come' simultaneously, for our non Scandinavian readers) means that you actually are in debt to your own future, the future and the duties you have CHOSEN before this life. You have a choice, but you gotta fulfill your duties, your personal dharma. And you will die in battle while doing it.
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 Spontaneously; It is a late concept, and it's a devotee/sectarian (Bhakti) concept. And most importantly, it has to do with the heroic ideal that was the fundament of all IndoEuropean culture. If we go all the way back, the IndoEuropeans had their 'Otherworld' - depicted as peaceful meadows (vangr/enger!), a place bordered by rivers where you forgot about the carnal and got spiritual insight when crossing them, guarded by someone (later on either Odin or Freja) and a waiting room for being reborn. It was all about samsara, and never 'a nice place where you stay forever' (that's a very late concept). I mean, the earliest peoples de facto put the dead in the ground cause they had seen plants grow up from seeds if you put them in the soil. The only mentioning about such a place in the Vedic texts is 'the world of the fathers', but that too is about a place where the soul waits to take another shape (hamr). Several things tell me that both Folkvangr and Valhall are late concepts and also sectarian (with that I mean that the later in time, the more people had 'chosen' gods), not the least the fact that you 'stay' there. Rudolf Simek claims that folkvangr can't be older than e.g. Grimnismál (10th century). And just like in India layer after layer has been put on the concept of the afterlife during thousands of years. The Germanic society was built upon different classes (varna), and both Valhall and Folkvangr were connected to the late Warrior caste (Kshatriya). Everything indicates that there must've been different 'teams' - belonging to either Freja or Odin. Areas and tribes that were close to Freja developed a devotion to her and 'ended up' in Folkvangr, and those linked to Odin had Valhall. If we look at the descriptions of the two places the only practical thing separating them is who chooses (Valfreja!) and allows you in. Folkvangr was also a way to show that there was a way for women too to suffer a noble death. For example, In Egil's saga Thorgerd's father is on some kind of hunger strike, and Thorgerd sympathizes and says she'd rather starve and 'meet Freja' (i.e. die a noble death) than to eat. Even death is seen as a sacrifice to the gods, a sacrifice of the material to reach God-realization. Very common in the Bhakti movement. And the love and devotion to Freja was very strong! Also, interestingly scholars say that Suebi Germanics knew of and venerated the Egyptian death goddess Isis, and that has a direct link to Freja. Summa summarum: The fact that IE and Vedic sources talk about death as peaceful meadows and rivers you cross before the next life, while Valhall and Folkvangr are depicted as violent 'forever homes' where you're chosen by a god, tells me that this is a Bhakti layer added on many thousand years later. It basically fitted in with the old 'Guardians' of the Otherworld. Not making it less true and probable though. I mean, the most common belief in India today is that you end up at the feet of Vishnu, and if you do you should be very happy. Freja is my Ishta Devata, someone I have a very strong love for, so I understand our ancestors.
Yes it is also probably a late invention(like Valhall). But some other very interesting information there. It all makes sense. I had also thought about, as opposed to some warriors going to valhall and odin, there is quite a bit of evidence of some women dying and becoming fylgya, valkyries, other protective spirits watching over their descendants. I was thinking that may have some connection to folkvangr. Going to have to do some more research on that and make a video eventually
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 What other social platforms do you use? Let’s connect in a place where we can interact and exchange thoughts more efficiently, and where I’m also more ‘visible’, since it feels weird and unfair that I haven’t presented myself at all and only have a raven as my avatar, haha.
@@bjornekdahl721 Just instagram and Facebook which I do not use so option. Insta-thormmadj FB-Michael Bjørn Pascoe Or maybe even e-mail if that is easier
Lo,there Do I see my father... Lo,there Do I see my mother and my sister's and my brothers... Lo,there Do I see the line of my people; BACK TO THE BEGINNING!!!!!!! Lo, They Do call to me, they bid me take my place among them, IN THE HALLS OF VALHALLA!!!!!!! WERE THE BRAVE MAY LIVE FOREVER!!!!!!!! 🌙🐺☀️🐺
Nobody knows what happens when we die but I like the older notion of "the meadows" I find some comfort in the idea of wide open spaces, beautiful trees, and fish filled streams 😆
You said at 10:24 that we have modern and scientific evidence that reincarnation is real. Do you mean that reincarnation was the real belief of the ancient Norse people, or evidence that reincarnation is actually real itself in a metaphysical sense. The books you link to look like they are about the former, but the way you said it sounded like the latter. Thanks!
Yes the books are modern scientific studies. Nothing to do with ancient beliefs. Just look up any books by Ian Stevenson, Erlendur Haraldsson. Or any authors doing studies on children remembering past lives. There are thousands.
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 Thanks. I read on book that looked at this topic from a Buddhist author who was discussing how modern Western people might understand Buddhism. The case studies seemed a little hard to verify to me. But I will check these authors out. I became interested in Buddhism a few years ago, and have been really interested to start to realise how it is in many ways a sister belief system to the beliefs of my own ancient Saxon, Celtic and Norse ancestors. Fascinating
As Hindu I believe in Reincarnation/पुनर्जन्म.The cycle goes on untill we achieve Nirvana.Then our spirit goes to Nirakara. Only difference in Hinduism and Nordic Religion is that We consider sex,Alcohol and Meat as taboos.
Your parallel with the Turtle Island Indigenous. According to them everything in the Universe moves in a circle and requires balance. They have worlds. This is the 3rd world ,we are moving in to the 4th. The Celts of course believe in the circle also. Our lives move in a circle from death to a rest period, 1900 years in Tir na N OG. To birth as a Human To death and and a 1900 year rest period, in Tir na N OG.
The Russian Soviet Union thought Romania was Valhala after medieval name of it Wallahia thought to be the biblical Havilla where anyone would enter would rule the world.( Biblical prophecy) And they did after some mason-jewish influences of Communist Party.But after 1950 invasion after decades in 1990 all fell, Soviet Union, whole East Europe fell in primitivity of culture more and more.
Look at the tomb lid of Lord Pakal in the "House of Nine Sharpened Spears" - he hangs from the windy tree and "falls back" in the infant pose, which symbolizes rebirth. The Mayan oral traditions say that their gods were bearded white men - as Graham Hancock has been told. I think the Scandinavians traveled much further than people realize.
Love the reincarnation theory which is in a lot of cultures. Great to see you wearing an All Blacks jersey. I had better subscibe. Hi, from New Zealand 😂
The concept of Valhalla as an afterlife may well have been a Christian tactic to lessen the shock of Christianizing the Norse pagans. It's a known tactic. Our US Smithsonian Institute sent "anthropologists" to the various Sioux tribes immediately after several uprisings and subsequent massacres in the late 1800's. These academics TAUGHT the remnants of the Sioux nation their famous "Ghost Dance". There was no such thing as a Ghost Dance before this social engineering project. Today the main rituals of the Sioux that the public is aware of is the Sun Dance and the Ghost Dance. But the Ghost dance is a synthetic, pacifying ceremony that even calls to a future Sioux "messiah" who will restore the tribes one day. Same cultural engineering deal for Christianity. Lots of theories and evidence that Christianity was a synthetic religion dreamed up by the Roman CIA after the sack of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD. They wanted to wean away them uppity revolutionist Maccabees from resistance to Roman Rule and foisted a religion of "Turn the other cheek" and "forgiveness" and "love your enemies as your self". Any colonizing power is going to try any and everything to lessen the cost of their occupation and the usurpation of local wealth via taxes, loan sharking and theft, much like how the IMF and World Bank operate today in the Third World. Reyn Til Runa!
Yes. First stories of odin can be dated to about the 800s but the stories are much older than that of course. And yes Mercury is the parralel in the roman mythology and (probably) Hermes in the greek
This is still a theory at this point. I believe that the Wheel of the 4 Directions is the oldest spiritual path. My reasoning is this. In ancient times most of Humanity was transient, or nomadic. To understand anything about the Wheel gives you a sense of direction. For people who are always on the move. The Wheel is indispensable. The Turtle Island, or American Indigenous Have the Wheel. So it's as old as Human life in America. Could be 30 thousands years old. I believe we all shared the Wheel at one time. I can't prove it though.
I would love the Vatican to open their library to 100% investigation & scrutiny to see how much of the "lost" records are not truly lost. Im typically a conspiracy theorist but if I was a power with a goal to dominate the world I wouldn't destroy these items but save them to use against the opposition. How I would love to see a push so hard spiritually, financially and politically to force them, and others, to cough it all up. Every danged page, letter, book, scroll, etc.
I admit it would be depressing if valhalla is a Christian invention. There are several places we could go, aren't there? How coincidental. 9 pages were torn out. 9? Lol I definitely believe in reincarnation.
If someone states that there's "proof" of any afterlife, regardless what version, I know immediately they don't mean actually physical evidence proved scientifically. If they want to talk academic proof of a belief's origin that's one thing. But saying that any afterlife/reincarnation concept was proved, that's not actually the case. The first requirement always ends up failing, which is if the idea is quantifiable, i.e. physically measurable.
The word Valhalla sounds very simulating in the Scandinavian languages as, "our hall" this could therefore indicate reaching the family's cousins and uncles going out on a trip together and seeing each other fall on the field. that showed that at home in "our hall" (Valhalla) your achievements will be talked about and you will stay alive.
Interesting 🤔. I have some reservations with reincarnation. What would be the point if we generally forget our past lives? Relearning the same lessons over and over just doesn't make sense.
I believe all religions throughout the world in there beginnings struggled to bring people together and feel a cohesiveness. It's important to remember that the world was a not so nice place to live millennium s ago. All religions started with one man or woman trying to bring some sort of peace to the world. A great person for sure. The heavens and the hells from the different religions were conception. Basically if you're a "bad" individual you go to hell. Good people go to heaven. Within the realms of "heaven and hell" there need to be good guys and bad guys, "gods, deities etc." To make the whole concept seem more plausible. Did the beginning religions make an impact in the beginning? Norse tribes that invaded other lands needed comfort. How? If you die in battle or possibly raiding you could possibly go to Valhalla. A great place to live in the afterlife with the aforementioned gods. It brought the Scandinavian people together. I'm from Scandinavian background and British Isles. I believe in my forefathers belief systems. I do believe one needs to however understand the differences between hard facts and fiction also. No disrespect to this channel, I've gotten great information from it. Skàl👊
Have to admit, I don't fully believe in valhalla as a place that you go to after you die. I believe that such a place can exist somewhere in our reality, just don't know where it would exist. I believe much more in reincarnation, I can't see a "final destination" like the Christian heaven be a thing (who would want to go there, not me).
Hell was invented at the church convention in Nikea. Before that your soul was just lost, if you did not belong in Heaven. Same with Valhall, it was redefined by the "winners". Valhall is a place in the area between Chechnya and Turkey, where they wanted to return to.
curious if you've heard of Shambhala? I've been seening a lot of correlation between Buddhists and Norse Pagan beliefs. this is speculation but I find it highly intriguing the annunciation of the two is damn near identical. love your videos and all the information you share!
what i heard and understand it from the video when it come to Valhalla it is like when a some reaches the point to become transcendent. (wich definetly requers alot of reincarnation ) The definitive from or tem used on Valhalla as an "afterlife" is a bit out of context to label Valhalla as an afterlife thats for sure. What i am trying to say (sorry my english not the best hence it is not my native language so i am sorry about my grammar and spelling but i hope you get it what i mean) is bascily already heard in the video when you mentioned Nirvana. Nirvana is not an afterlife thats for sure. it the point when the soul or your spirit is become transcendent and became the very "divine" beeing what we truly are (at least in occult phylosophy ofc) In my opinion same apllyes to Valhalla as well. You born you are inside the circle until you reach your transcendent state then you break out of the circles of reincarnation. Please note this, this cannot be achieved by saying okay im done and i am leaving the circle now. No one know exactly howmany reincarnation is requered to achieve that state when you can leav the circle, and actualy became what you truly are. A divine beiing(not in a christian term at all) You said in one in your video that the we have parts from the gods lives within us like the heart, wich is beating. The Odr (not sure if i spelled that right) but if what you said is true (and i am 100% sure it is) that means we are parth of them as well. And Valhalla is the higest state what the soul or your spirit can achieve. If we think a bit behind the word what Valhalla means (in true context not by the unsure or christan stuff) but we can clearly put the piecies together and we have the conclusion. We are their children (according to the sagas at least (poetic) ) so Valhalla means we are not going to the christinised heaven, it is the oposite the childern of the gods are awaken. And they decide when they reach their last reincarnation (becasue there is always a chose) to re enter the circle and become the messenger (you know whom i speak of) or you just dont. You have acomplished the thing what you meant to be become. your own divine self. The seed wich lives inside of our souls or spirit is a direct divine spark from the gods, even if were created out of tree or not, why? you said it even trees have tehir spirituality, energy, vibes, frekvenczies etc. They are all connected.They are all part of the whole big picture. they are not just plants, or stuff. they have their own macrocosmical hensikt. You know what i mean? some one might say that there is no escape from the ciclycal reincarnation, but thats not true. everything has a reason. And the main goal is to realize yourself. wich means reaching the point of Become Valhalla. what do you think? i hope you could get it what i meant to say i am so sorry about my grammar and my spelling :D honestly i wish i could help it but 12+2 tense usage in a language is a bit to hard for me :D
My personal conclusion is Valhalla is the warriors who died in battle after life and Nephillim/Hel is for everybody else. After a time in the afterlife we reincarnate. The afterlife is just a continuation of this life divorced from our physical body's/egos.
wait so if Valhalla was never a real afterlife concept, then what did the vikings believe in the context of the honor in dying in battle as opposed to old age? Unless that whole concept is also a pop culture myth and the vikings were really raiding just for both retaliation to an opposing dominant religion and also for expansion/feeding their people? It seems like the deeper I dig into Norse mythos, the more it seems like pop culture misrepresents practically every aspect. And what's crazy is that the only other parallel I can think of for how much is misrepresented is the middle eastern cultures that normally get bogged down and generalized into one big mess of stereotypes. It's almost like many of the facts and perspectives have been intentionally twisted for propaganda in the past and like a game of telephone, just blew up and became over stigmatized.
It's a funny thing: belief vs. religion. When I speak on this topic with folks of differing views, the one thing that remains constant is the core: life as a mirror image of the divine, a central consciousness and an understanding of the "light at the end of the tunnel". These innate ideas sit always in the back of our collective understanding no matter which belief or religion. The real thing to take on the pagan journey is close attention to nature. Nature is the bridge between life and the divine. Just you and the gods. The afterlife is somewhat the same way, we all know what we are talking about. We just use different terms. As close as I can tell, the belief of Norse pagans goes something like: you die, your spirit is taken to Hel, you journey through Hel to get to Bifrost wherein you are welcomed to Asgard. If you die in battle, you reside in Valhalla if not, you reside as spirits within the realm and can be reincarnated.
Well if Valhalla is reincarnation, it would make sense of how we would be living inside the remains of a great being. After all wasn't it Odin and his brothers who destroyed their father and made the universe from it? Long stretch, sure, but is curious.
To me Valhalla is the feasting hall of dead warriors. It's Not for everyone. It is specifically for warriors, and shield maidens of course, which is why dying with sword in hand is so important. It signifies you died in battle and are worthy of a seat in Valhalla.
The Celtic idea was there is an "Otherworld" afterlife with many realms but it was not the end destination , it was a place of rest and recharge before you 1. reincarnate 2. become a spirit that watches over a place or person 3. become an active spiritual force in the world.
Starting to think Helheim/Helhām is a term literally meaning that. Hel comes from a root meaning hidden or covered, if I remember right, -heim is basically realm. So, hidden realm / otherworld
@@BrigantinosDoRoudos "Heim" in german means also "home". So after dead we are going back home.
Don't make this harder than it is. Hel is where ur body goes, unt Valhalla is where ur spirit goes = after u die.
What're the sources for that?
@@BrigantinosDoRoudos The great void before the Big bang = Ginnungagap, Yggdrasil = the universe, Ymer = God
"Hel aint no bad place to be!.."
-Bon Scott
Oh i agree that there is not much left about Slavic beliefs.
And i kinda feel that the 3rd option you talk about is a logical for me.
I read somewhere that Valhalla was a place where spirits go to rest and await the rebirth.
I had a thought after watching this vid: Might it be possible, considering the time-frame of the known mentions of Valhǫll as an afterlife, that the concept was intentionally created and disseminated as a sort of motivational concept contextualising Ragnarøkkr with the struggle against Christianity? As if the message was "Don't worry if you fall in battle for you'll join the ranks of the einherjar and will fight the enemy at Vígríðr", as opposed to the unpleasant option of merely being reborn into a potentially Christian world.
I don't think so. European faiths have a concept of a last battle.
I like this idea actually because the end times verses the warrior heaven fits well. And I certainly am tired of being reborn into this shit hole of religions conquering and controlling.
I hope there’s a way to exit stage left at some point because dying in battle against the nw0 and then being reborn into it doesn’t sound great.
Hel is the afterlife too
Thanks so much for your work! You are appreciated!
So here's an idea from a Jewish person not a pagan, but it might be interesting to this topic especially since a lot of people think we believe the same thing as the Christians,
So Jews believe in reincarnation and there is the notion of rectifying once self in each life and there are some people get to the point where they perfected to the point of not coming back
But in some cases they still do not to rectify themselves but to inspire so to speak a generation.
Valhalla might have been a similar concept
but 3rd option reincarination valhalla would not be appropriate, because why the hell they would put in burial place than swords, axes etc. - no newborn is never get those anyway!? 2nd option sounds reasonable for me:)
Da all blecks jursey bro
I wonder if like in Hinduism there a concept of the atman. In Hinduism when we all wake up the universe ends because at that point there is no need to pretend we are separate beings. Then it restarts again over and over. Maybe odin fears us all waking up and he knowns one day everyone will realize the truth and then it starts over. He can't fight it because it's inevitable. It's just a thought I am entertaining that I don't necessarily believe in.
my only issue is why so many religions what is the truth is science the truth is it related to some religions like what's real Odin . Zeus , Allah or Jesus what's real nobody seem to come up with a real answer . Viking beliefs were abit weird in some ways but so is all the other religions I love Viking Beliefs but its really hard for me to believe that we really know why we exist in the first place are we just sentients with some universe energies we call gods or what you said everything had hidden meanings that would mean whatever all the religions believe is distorted from the original writings and we have lost the main knowledge .
So fucked up how much history culture and knowledge was destroyed in the name of religion.
Are you from Narvik?
This is might seem not releated is there is any type of elemantale catharthsiem in ancient Nordic believes
I've been a practicing pagan for 16 years and the past 6 of them have been studying Hinduism, Taoism, and Buddhism. What I've learned is that everything is connected and energy is everywhere. Seidr and Tantra, for example, are very similar. The exact methods may differ, but the connections made are the same. If you go back far enough in any culture, you'll find similarities in their shamanic practices and their core beliefs. This is because nature is not that different, despite where we live. We all have the same moon and sun. We all see the same stars. We all find connections with animals and water sources. The names may be different, but that's just because languages have changed over thousands of years of migration. But go back far enough in any culture and you'll find we're all connected.
Beautifully said! Only (very slight) differences around the world is the specific nature and peoples perceptions of it.
Sounds not unlike my own route to the roots so to speak. Taoism definitely remains the primary tool in my arsenal. But no tree can grow without roots.
Do we have a legitimate Seidr tradition still around? Genuine question, I'm very much under the impression that what alot of modern pagans practice as far as "magic" for lack of a better term is influenced by modern neopaganism or other living traditions which may explain the connection. I very well may be wrong, and in this case would be overjoyed to be wrong. Where would I look if indeed this stuff remains?
@@travismitchell210 It's hard to say. Like the Gauls/Celts, the Norse didn't write much down. They only used runes rarely for special monuments. We have an Icelandic book of spells that gives us some idea of how they practiced (Icelandic being the closest language today to what Nordic tribes spoke). We have some mentions of Seidr in the Eddas in stories involving Freyja and Odin. Odin sacrificing himself on his own spear while hanging on the boughs of Yggdrasil is a shamanic ritual. Many shamans believe that you don't become a shaman unless you've experienced death. Odin learned the runes and taught them to Freyja. She in return taught him Seidr. We also know that the Germanic tribes mingled with the Sami people, who were shamanic in their practices, as they moved north into Scandinavia. Which explains the allegory of the Germanic gods (Aesir) fighting with the nature gods (Vanir and Jotun) before the Vanir merged into the Aesir. It's a reflection of how the people fought with the Sami before merging. At least in the southern parts of Scandinavia.
We do have reconstruction attempts made by modern authors, but it's just like modern druidry. We only have records of magical practitioners of the area from descriptions made by outsiders. For the missing pieces we have to look to the Sami practices to the north and archeological finds of what tools and attire Seidr practitioners were buried with. The difference is that druidry has formal reconstructionist courses with modern reconstructionist organizations. Seidr reconstruction isn't quite that formal yet. There are some teachers, authors, and UA-camrs but not many. And it's hard to tell just how valid those works are.
Love this because it really is that so many of our ancients knew what was real a d truth but it’s been burned and banned. The difference truely is perception and what it’s named. But when we take the time to study other energy arts or theologies, we can learn so much about our Germanic inner knowings.
Gonna just be honest varg broke it down best. As did einar selvik for that matter... existence is clearly cyclical. And that principle wasnt lost to our ancestors. All it takes is a few months in the woods to come to this conclusion, wether done in thailand, scandanavia, or some plot of land in northern michigan...
You will climb no tree unless you can see past the tree. You absolutely nailed it in this video. Definitely won my subscription.
There is meaning in Jesus Christ friend.
@@unkownoflife5959 there is meaning in life friend
Yes the forests and beautiful waters of northern MI have done well by me. When the insanity of the world gets to be overwhelming walking in the woods is the best therapy I have found.
Its beautiful and just in case shit goes bad it sure wont hurt being surrounded by most of the earths fresh water ;) I can definitely see why my family chose NW MI as their new home when immigrating from Friesland and Denmark, there are many similarities ...minus the salt water that did so much damage to our lands back in Europe.
Our ancestors were ancestors worshiping, it's that simple. So yes Reincarnation
of course , Hindu and Celtic , and Germanic, we are one , yes I see it now. thank you!
I am an old man 76 now and I very much enjoy hearing about the old religions, you have a lovely Thors Hammer!
You Forgot Baltic and Slavic peoples sir.
Yes , thank you kind sir, and the the Slavic and Baltic people. I dont know about the Greek and Roman people
I agree on this one, Valhalla being the ultimate state of being. Never thought about it, but it makes sense.
One thing you didn't discuss is the comparison between Valhalla and Folkvanger. You also didn't discuss the role of the Valkariyes
Please make a video on this in the future. Much love
I've always believed in reincarnation, and when I was in my teens, had serious spiritual insight on what I thought were past lives of mine and how 2 of my loved ones were in them. But there's a problem that just doesn't add up. Numbers of souls versus total numbers of people on the planet at different dates in history. My earliest and non-Ger manic life was as an artisan during, I think, some time in the New Kingdom in ancient Egypt. So how many people walked the earth back then? Now, let's look at today. We have an over-populated planet. Perhaps in present-day India you could have the same number, or even higher, of people living all over the whole world about 1.300 years ago. So what does that say about the number of souls? Do they reproduce, too, just as human bodies do? That's my big doubt, though I still believe in reincarnation. The numbers just don't add up.
There’s actually a lot of insight to this in the uncorupted new age theologies. Not the goverment steered ones. Also in Hinduism
Yes souls can make baby soul sparks as others ascend out
it's not a stretch to suggest that most people today have not lived before / have young souls / have no soul. the average person has almost no concern with the past, nature, or spirituality except when it's socially beneficial for them.
I absolutely love how you paint a big picture and not just look at things isolated. The connection to Hinduism, reincarnation and so on, great work. People who think this way should connect. This gives me hope.
From what I understand, Hel is the standard afterlife, where spirits go to continue life as if on Earth, until reincarnation. Valhalla and Folkvangr were where those who died in battle would have gone. In this context, it would make sense that mentions and beliefs in such realms amongst warriors would increase later on as populations grew and more people sought out the warrior life, especially once overseas raiding began.
I agree.
Makes sense
Reincarnation, yes! I have been in Thailand for many years , speak thai, and am Buddhist, which suits me very well. reincarnation is a central point in Buddhism and in Thai, Hundi etc
religions. In Thai cluture they have gods of earth, water, trees, sun , moon, animals... which is similar to Celtic culture, I felt right at home there.
the Germanic word Buda , German Bote, means Herald/messenger/ delivery boy, so
Buda = Buddha he Proclaimed/brings the messege / delivers the truth .
…*budō-, *budōn, *buda-, *budan, germ., sw. M. (n): nhd. Bote, Verkünder
Finally! I get so tired of hearing people with cheap internet swords and dime store beards talk about how they're going to Valhalla. Ugh. I'm like, "Listen Larry, you work at a coffee house and do nothing but play video games. Pretty sure Odin is not waiting with baited breath for you to die..."
Perhaps Valhalla is the concept of Ending the reincarnation cycle via doing something worthy, and Hel is the place you wait to go into the next life.
I discovered your channel yesterday and i'm already hooked. Cheers from Argentina!
The Yoruba culture in south west Nigeria had similar points with Norse mythology and gods....
Thank you so much for this. Like so many of us, I am surrounded by the "brosatru" guys who think they are these new "vikings" because they grow a beard, they often have the "Ragnar" hair, and some "viking" tattoos and say "see you in Valhalla." As a true believer in the Old Ways, I am always seeking to deepen my understanding and increase my knowledge of the faith, and this is just what I needed. It is interesting that in my spiritual journey out of Christianity I studied Hinduism for several years and that the journey has in some ways led me back. Keep up the good work!
I was pronounced Clinically Dead on the 14th of November 2019 three times, I was airlifted of which I have no recollection. I don’t even remember getting to the nearest hospital, nothing. I remember being seated at a massive wooden table with three longhair muscle bound men, they all had different color hair with different color eyes. The one that was at the head of the table looked at me and said, “you have to go back”, I looked down and when I looked up I saw my daughter at my side. My husband was there too and he asked me what I had encountered in the other side, (as a physician he didn’t want to give up on me).......What you explained makes perfect sense 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
It's a mixture of all the different things that are mentioned.
A "golden" hel where you await your reincarnation.
Like a first class hel.
A way to elevate some higher status people to the front line of who aught to be reincarnated first.
Now I'm worried. I am 18 years old and a boxer. Two years later, I will enlist in the army and die, and I am glad to meet everyone's father Oden in Valhalla. I'm going to die fighting and I hope my destination is Valhalla. ❤️❤️🇫🇷🏴❤️❤️
oh it maby helbs about the abbreviations, today moddern German ( Deutsch, tysk :-) )is high German = hd, before alt hoch Deutsch = ahd ( old high German ) , before nieder hoch deutch = nhd ( nether high German ) .
in the uralic world it´s related to the different
concepts of the soul.. a person could have up to
five different "souls" that all went to different
places.. the breath soul went to the sun where
it was re-incarnated and born again to a child
of kin.. in the next tribe it was the shadow soul
that went to the moon.. so the sun and the moon
both very important in this.. in the next tribe
one of the souls carried on / was re-born as their
totem animal.. so all the earthly bears you saw
were actually your dead relatives which is why you
could not kill bears (while the tribe next door
had no problem of killing bears).
then there´s all kinds of beliefs about a place of
spirits that is beneath the ground / in the mountain
/ in the lake / down the river.. usually one of the
souls travels there.. it´s the place where the
spirits of the ancestors live (just like they did
on earth, a matter greatly emphasized).. there´s
even mentions of a valhalla-type warrior heaven but
it´s considered turkic influence (it´s one or two
notes compared to hundreds of pages about souls
and
re-incarnation).
that probably doesn´t help much, just to give
some idea of the diversity.. people were more local
/ clan based back then which is the perfect building
ground for different beliefs.. the common nominator,
as you said, is the same everywhere, that it´s
re-incarnation based.. i would suggest tracing the
different parts of the soul in your native languages
(breath, shadow, self, shape, ray (sun rays, moon
beams), blood, hair, tooth, spirit, child, body,
birth, words like that.. maybe different animals /
birds / insects that were seen as soul animals /
totem animals.. it´s complicated but not (it just
has to make cyclical sense).
Very interesting. I did not know alot of that. Uralic belifs are very closely related to ours. Thank you.
also bones, heart and liver, all connected
to souls, as well as dreams and names.. i mean,
they returned the bones of dead animals to
nature so that they could be reborn, it doesn´t
get any plainer than that..
i think it´s important to understand that the
shaman is not there to make the tribes the
same.. they´re there to make the tribes
different.. you don´t want to be doing the
same things as the neighbouring tribe, whom are
sometimes seen as the enemy.. also that it´s
likely different layers that have been added
through time.. at first it might have been
only one or two "sacred parts" (blood, bone,
breath, shadow) and then other concepts
were added to it.. like the uralic fifth
"male soul" could very well be a "warrior soul"
(that might have gone to a different place)
but it could also be a "hunter´s soul" that
simply turned into an animal.. it is well
documented that they (some uralic tribes)
took the heads / scalps of enemy warriors
so that they could not be reborn, which again
doesn´t point to a valhalla type place but to
this earth.
to me it´s the environment you live in and
how many "sacred parts" you want to include,
in the "whole".. before the uralics there were
the pre-uralics (tsuudit) whom are considered
a true winter based culture.. it is told that
they never wiped snow off them.. to me what this
suggests is that their children might have come
back as snow flakes.. it is always something
tangible like that, because that´s how they thought
(and that´s how we still think).
About the Reincarnation and the Indian Veden, so far i Know comes the Indian Veden from the Russian Weden, so the Weden a few thousend Years older than the Veden, so yes of couse our Ancestors Know that is the truth, they took it from our knowledge to Create the Bibel, like the most of our Spiritual Knowledge, but around the Year 454ac Emperor Justinjan took this part at the Council of Constantinople out and put a spell on it. the word Weden means Knowledge. Is ( you know him as Jesus ) spoke clear about and the number with the 3 days of dead and come back in life again is about the fact that there is an Genetic selfrepair mode in every life form that turns down all others systems so that it is able to repair the Damage, that goes that far in extreme forms that even the heart stops for a while, of cause that looks from the outside like realy dead. thats because we lay out our dead for a few days ;-)
We think that Valhall is the place where you meet your ancestors and there you talk with them and you wait there for your reincarnation why your spirit have to grow and when you finished your way s you grown out you stay in Valhall but for what is know the question maybe some one can help us .
Your Movie was very good and helpful we didn't know about the writen Edda's from the Christian but we had this in the feeling that some of this different Myology was changed to become the people to get them faster to change their believe
i hope reincarnation is real...valhalla sounds like a power incentive
What's wrong with incentivizing power?
Odin was the Master Shaman. The Norse people used mushrooms and mead and were very into "seeing through/lifting the veil". I think Valhalla was a type of "reward" for those waiting to be reincarnated. As a pagan Celt, Myself..this makes perfect sense
I wish people would focus more on how we live our lifes and how we treat eachother, instead of thinking about what happens after death and which (delusional/fictional) religious concept "is right" in the end.
Because:
ek veit einn, at aldrei deyr,
dómr um dauðan hverm
very interesting content brother, I keep watching with great interest.
Greetings from an old german :-)
Real Question here: Wouldn't not believing in Valhalla throw the rest of the stuff out the window as well? Such as waiting in Valhalla until Ragnarok? And what about Fólkvangr? Is there any actual evidence that Fólkvangr was believed to be a real place as well?
I find myself asking that sometimes too. Some things old religions were right on. But some things not. Its ok because all they has was the technology at the time and what they experienced.
Perhaps Valhalla is the concept of Ending the reincarnation cycle via doing something worthy, and Hel is the place you wait to go into the next life.
Idk what Valhalla is, but the guy who torn out that 9 pages is definitely not there.
Yea I been dealing with it my whole life. I had no TV as a kid. I think I over dosed on Myths. Then I studied Molecular Biology and got a job testing DNA about 18 years ago. The DNA started blowing my mind. I am a Melungeon so I heard Gypsy Myths, African Myths, the Norse myths preserved by Kale in Wales. Why Welsh people preserved all kind of Viking myths is weird. But the amazing thing is how similar it all is especially the Iroquois Seneca. It's as if the Seneca are descended from one of Odins wives. The Seneca have a Jesus too accept he is a Muskrat. The Matrilineal tribes kept the Earth sacred because the Forest was their life support system. The Farmers and Wall builders are the Patrilineal tribes they see the Forest as a threat. But all people have some common origin - it's the Mbuti pygmies. Funny we are looking for Giants - we are Giants. The Pygmy is a real man.
Videos on this?
@@CountBeetle I'm not sure my Maw maw told me all the Iroquois stories. People like me know a lot stuff that's not on the phone. I'll look and see. I would search Hadenosaunee or Sky woman and Muskrat or Turtle Island and Celestial Tree. The Seneca story I was told as a child was the most magical heart breaking tragic and uplifting heroic story I ever heard in my entire life. I have an almost maternal feeling of emotion for protecting Muskrat in the Big Ugly forest where we are from. Sky Woman fell down into the roots of yggdrasil and she fell down to the Earth where there was a great flood and she saved many animals and gathered them on the Turtles back. She was the wife of the Thunder Father and full of magic if only she could get a handful of mud she could rebuild the whole Earth on the Turtles back. The Mountain Lion tried first but could not dive- the Otter kept getting distracted and eating Fish. The Beaver was to Fat to dice deep. The great Bear tried but could not get to the bottom. Then the goofy Muskrat said " let me try" and everyone laugh except Sky woman. So Muskrat dive deep and got some mud but he could not hold his breath and choked on the water but with his last but of strength he handed sky Woman a handful of mud then Muskrat died. Sky Woman threw him in the sky and he became an ever lasting sky god ( the big dipper) and his children were given great blessings by Sky Woman.
@@CountBeetle Only Vikings and Iroquois called themselves people of the Long house; only Biking and Iroquois and Altai have y chromosome Haologroup Q and R in proximity and X chromosome " X" - we jokingly call the Atlantean modal haologroup because it appears to originate in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Vikings and Iroquois were once the same people often called Solutrean
@@CountBeetle there are a few vids on UA-cam I never even thought of just searching for it ua-cam.com/video/qV5sGEneGCM/v-deo.html
@@shadowforger2035 very interesting Sir. Thank you
Keep in mind that neopaganism is heavily influenced by the the mystical teachings of the English occultist Alester Crowley
The fact that it was customary for The Norse to often name children after a deceased grandparents, or ancestors reflects a much stronger emphasis on reincarnation than simply a larger focus on Hel or Valhalla. But, the Norse idea of reincarnation is little different than Buddhist, and Hindu concepts because in the belief of naming children after ancestors it was thought the child might inherit "reincarnated personality traits/skill set aptitudes" from the deceased ancestor, not necessarily the inheritance of an ancestral soul in the sense that the eastern religions understood it.
According to Rudolf Simek in "The Dictionary of Northern Mythology" (well worth getting for scholarly insight), there are "some mountains in South Sweden which in folk belief are thought to be the place where the dead live, as mountains of the dead are also called Valhall." So Valhall could come from old norse 'Hallr' meaning Rock rather than 'holl' meaning hall. Perhaps the idea of Valhalla therefore is related to burial in mounds/ dying into mountains as we see in the sagas/archaeology. And then the idea of Valhalla as a hall of the slain is a later development from that idea.
Yes Iv'e got that book and love it. Forgot that part actually. Yes and lots of folktales later on in time mention ancestral spirits living in the rocks/mountains. Thats something to look more into for sure.
Thank you Matty i learned again something new 👍
I think holl is the word for a rocky hall. Still use it in Norway as a word. Im thinking rock covered floor, just like a cathedral or other big construction.
Fits in well with animism
Yep - big believer in re-incarnation...the only question is how the transition goes, and what the next life holds...
As i always say... ,,We all will see,,😉. For now i live my life until the time the nornes have decided i can go. I don't fear death neither i want to provoke it but i'm excited to see what's comming after. 😁
I thought Valhalla was only for warriors slain in battle
How different is Old Norse from modern Icelandic. I’m struggling finding ways to learn the old Norse language
Its fairly close. There are plenty of books to learn old norse from if you are interested though
Do you have any videos comparing Nordic & Celtic pagan religions?
I would love to. I just don't know enough about the celtic ones to speak. I will maybe do a video in the future with someone else who is more knowledgeable.
"Maybe Valhalla-the place people generally associate as Viking heaven, instead of representing a literal new place, instead represents the mindset of affirming reincarnation. Stay with me a second, Valhalla a place where you eat and drink, and fight for eternity...thats life." was gonna post that on a video i was watchin like 5 minuets ago lol
I am sorry I dont know your name.
In Buddhism ( wich is a wrorn it is called Buddha Dhamma= Buddha teaching) there is also a waiting place where we wait to enter a body based on how we lived.
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If hel is one of the nine realms where does Valhalla lay in Yggdrasil?
It's supposed to be Wuotan's aka Odin's hall a place for feasting fighting & fucking and repeat until Ragnarøkkr (Ragnarok) in Ásgarðr (Asgard) and only the selected may enter Valhǫll (Valhalla that has been taught) the selected are the slain in battle chosen by Wuotan and or his Valkyrja (Valkyrie)
Can you do a video on folkvangr?
Hello everyone! I am not germanic as far as I know but I do look like a germanic person. I never heard about Valhalla before and did not know anything about it until I died during my spine operation. I searched answers everywhere about golden light and afterlife and surfing on the net I saw a similar tree which was an illustration of that tree and it said Valhalla. Yes it is real much more than this world. I saw the most beautiful gigantic golden tree and one leaf caught my eye and immediately something told me :" the leaf that you look at is more worth than anything and everything on earth". There is only peace not even one bad thought. I saw a few people in white robes which I felt like they are " the elders". They were standing by a weel and were happy to see me and I felt that I am finally home again. I knew I died, there was no time like here and time didn't have any meaning there because I knew that this was eternity and I knew that every moment is fulfilled with great adventures waiting to happen.
I was happy just like when I was a child and didn't want to come back, I felt that a whole life on earth is just a blink of an eye there and there was no judgment at all, elders were saying something but I can not remember what. I saw my Guardian and instantly I was back in my body screaming in pain and felt very sad to be here again.
Sir, may we speak more about this in private? I'm interested in your story and would love to discuss it with you, if you were so inclined to.
Thank you for sharing! 😇💖🙏🙌
Sounds very similar to my near death experience. There is a video on my channel and I have been grappling between this a Christian beliefs for a long time and I think there is an element of both because it was just pure love that I felt but it also felt like a return to home and I have always felt like I have been to this world before even since a child. So idk some of the Christian ideas don’t match up to my experience and others do. I saw beings of pure light and buildings for pure light with almost gems in them and beautiful otherworldly music. But thank you for sharing your experience that is amazing
What a great video. I was always under the concept and this being simplified, that Valhalla was where the warriors went to to wait for Ragnarok and Hel was where the common folk went to. This mainly due to my laziness and reading historical fiction books.
It would be more "appropriate" to compare to the Greek Elysian Fields (elsium) than nirvana
Probably. I don't know about greek so much but Im sure you are right
Ovaries! No wind! Selection of dharma! Read all about it! Knowing that all the Indo European peoples - no matter where they ended up - were very aware of the self-realization and the atman going up in the brahman and had a reincarnation world view, Valhall as a 'heaven you go to when you die in battle' is out of the question. Possibly much later on someone might've thought that - when it all comes down to it we all actually die in battle, since life is struggle and suffering (not the least according to Buddhism). Jung's Warrior archetype has Indo European roots, and 'the death of the warrior', i.e. the death of the ego with self-realization as a result, is something we all have to go through, and the Indo European peoples did this both physically and symbolically to reach your higher level (the YT account Thoughts on thinking has a great video on the strive for excellency in Homer). Nirvana - nirva=wind and 'na' is the negation, so meaning 'no wind' - and moksha is the most probable origin of what later became Valhall. Where there's no struggle and suffering (wind) there's peace, i.e. no more rebirth. In the Vedic texts they talk a lot about that death is just a state where you choose (VAL!) your soul's swadharma before being reborn. I personally also think that Valhalla is a metaphor for the ovaries - a place where you choose your swadharma but also where you are the one chosen to be reborn. Of millions of sperms the egg (Freja) chooses one sperm to fertilize. We are all the chosen one - we have been 'VALD' (VALGT in Norwegian). In nature it's all a selection. And a very interesting last point is that the norn Skuld (meaning both 'debt' and 'what will come' simultaneously, for our non Scandinavian readers) means that you actually are in debt to your own future, the future and the duties you have CHOSEN before this life. You have a choice, but you gotta fulfill your duties, your personal dharma. And you will die in battle while doing it.
Yes that sounds the most logical! What are your thoughts on Folkvangr then? Do you know of any eastern parallels to Freyjas hall?
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 Spontaneously; It is a late concept, and it's a devotee/sectarian (Bhakti) concept. And most importantly, it has to do with the heroic ideal that was the fundament of all IndoEuropean culture. If we go all the way back, the IndoEuropeans had their 'Otherworld' - depicted as peaceful meadows (vangr/enger!), a place bordered by rivers where you forgot about the carnal and got spiritual insight when crossing them, guarded by someone (later on either Odin or Freja) and a waiting room for being reborn. It was all about samsara, and never 'a nice place where you stay forever' (that's a very late concept). I mean, the earliest peoples de facto put the dead in the ground cause they had seen plants grow up from seeds if you put them in the soil. The only mentioning about such a place in the Vedic texts is 'the world of the fathers', but that too is about a place where the soul waits to take another shape (hamr).
Several things tell me that both Folkvangr and Valhall are late concepts and also sectarian (with that I mean that the later in time, the more people had 'chosen' gods), not the least the fact that you 'stay' there. Rudolf Simek claims that folkvangr can't be older than e.g. Grimnismál (10th century). And just like in India layer after layer has been put on the concept of the afterlife during thousands of years. The Germanic society was built upon different classes (varna), and both Valhall and Folkvangr were connected to the late Warrior caste (Kshatriya). Everything indicates that there must've been different 'teams' - belonging to either Freja or Odin. Areas and tribes that were close to Freja developed a devotion to her and 'ended up' in Folkvangr, and those linked to Odin had Valhall. If we look at the descriptions of the two places the only practical thing separating them is who chooses (Valfreja!) and allows you in. Folkvangr was also a way to show that there was a way for women too to suffer a noble death. For example, In Egil's saga Thorgerd's father is on some kind of hunger strike, and Thorgerd sympathizes and says she'd rather starve and 'meet Freja' (i.e. die a noble death) than to eat. Even death is seen as a sacrifice to the gods, a sacrifice of the material to reach God-realization. Very common in the Bhakti movement. And the love and devotion to Freja was very strong! Also, interestingly scholars say that Suebi Germanics knew of and venerated the Egyptian death goddess Isis, and that has a direct link to Freja.
Summa summarum: The fact that IE and Vedic sources talk about death as peaceful meadows and rivers you cross before the next life, while Valhall and Folkvangr are depicted as violent 'forever homes' where you're chosen by a god, tells me that this is a Bhakti layer added on many thousand years later. It basically fitted in with the old 'Guardians' of the Otherworld. Not making it less true and probable though. I mean, the most common belief in India today is that you end up at the feet of Vishnu, and if you do you should be very happy. Freja is my Ishta Devata, someone I have a very strong love for, so I understand our ancestors.
Yes it is also probably a late invention(like Valhall). But some other very interesting information there. It all makes sense.
I had also thought about, as opposed to some warriors going to valhall and odin, there is quite a bit of evidence of some women dying and becoming fylgya, valkyries, other protective spirits watching over their descendants. I was thinking that may have some connection to folkvangr. Going to have to do some more research on that and make a video eventually
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 What other social platforms do you use? Let’s connect in a place where we can interact and exchange thoughts more efficiently, and where I’m also more ‘visible’, since it feels weird and unfair that I haven’t presented myself at all and only have a raven as my avatar, haha.
@@bjornekdahl721 Just instagram and Facebook which I do not use so option.
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Or maybe even e-mail if that is easier
Those got destroyed by, you know who... Genious sentence, i Subscribed
Lo,there
Do I see my father...
Lo,there
Do I see my mother and my sister's and my brothers...
Lo,there
Do I see the line of my people;
BACK TO THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!
Lo,
They Do call to me, they bid me take my place among them,
IN THE HALLS OF VALHALLA!!!!!!!
WERE THE BRAVE MAY LIVE FOREVER!!!!!!!!
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Nobody knows what happens when we die but I like the older notion of "the meadows" I find some comfort in the idea of wide open spaces, beautiful trees, and fish filled streams 😆
So where did that concept of fallen warriors going to Valhalla, drinking out of horns with the gods came from?
You said at 10:24 that we have modern and scientific evidence that reincarnation is real. Do you mean that reincarnation was the real belief of the ancient Norse people, or evidence that reincarnation is actually real itself in a metaphysical sense. The books you link to look like they are about the former, but the way you said it sounded like the latter. Thanks!
Yes the books are modern scientific studies. Nothing to do with ancient beliefs. Just look up any books by Ian Stevenson, Erlendur Haraldsson. Or any authors doing studies on children remembering past lives. There are thousands.
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 Thanks. I read on book that looked at this topic from a Buddhist author who was discussing how modern Western people might understand Buddhism. The case studies seemed a little hard to verify to me. But I will check these authors out. I became interested in Buddhism a few years ago, and have been really interested to start to realise how it is in many ways a sister belief system to the beliefs of my own ancient Saxon, Celtic and Norse ancestors. Fascinating
As Hindu I believe in Reincarnation/पुनर्जन्म.The cycle goes on untill we achieve Nirvana.Then our spirit goes to Nirakara.
Only difference in Hinduism and Nordic Religion is that We consider sex,Alcohol and Meat as taboos.
Your parallel with the Turtle Island Indigenous. According to them everything in the Universe moves in a circle and requires balance. They have worlds. This is the 3rd world ,we are moving in to the 4th.
The Celts of course believe in the circle also.
Our lives move in a circle from death to a rest period, 1900 years in Tir na N OG. To birth as a Human
To death and and a 1900 year rest period, in Tir na N OG.
The Russian Soviet Union thought Romania was Valhala after medieval name of it Wallahia thought to be the biblical Havilla where anyone would enter would rule the world.( Biblical prophecy) And they did after some mason-jewish influences of Communist Party.But after 1950 invasion after decades in 1990 all fell, Soviet Union, whole East Europe fell in primitivity of culture more and more.
Nirvana Literally, it means “blowing out” or “becoming extinguished,” as when a flame is blown out or a fire burns out.
Lol, I know what Valhalla is not! It's not Tir na N OG, The Island of the forever young!
I have a recollection! It's beautiful.
Great vid
Look at the tomb lid of Lord Pakal in the "House of Nine Sharpened Spears" - he hangs from the windy tree and "falls back" in the infant pose, which symbolizes rebirth. The Mayan oral traditions say that their gods were bearded white men - as Graham Hancock has been told. I think the Scandinavians traveled much further than people realize.
Love the reincarnation theory which is in a lot of cultures. Great to see you wearing an All Blacks jersey. I had better subscibe. Hi, from New Zealand 😂
The concept of Valhalla as an afterlife may well have been a Christian tactic to lessen the shock of Christianizing the Norse pagans. It's a known tactic. Our US Smithsonian Institute sent "anthropologists" to the various Sioux tribes immediately after several uprisings and subsequent massacres in the late 1800's. These academics TAUGHT the remnants of the Sioux nation their famous "Ghost Dance". There was no such thing as a Ghost Dance before this social engineering project. Today the main rituals of the Sioux that the public is aware of is the Sun Dance and the Ghost Dance. But the Ghost dance is a synthetic, pacifying ceremony that even calls to a future Sioux "messiah" who will restore the tribes one day.
Same cultural engineering deal for Christianity. Lots of theories and evidence that Christianity was a synthetic religion dreamed up by the Roman CIA after the sack of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD. They wanted to wean away them uppity revolutionist Maccabees from resistance to Roman Rule and foisted a religion of "Turn the other cheek" and "forgiveness" and "love your enemies as your self". Any colonizing power is going to try any and everything to lessen the cost of their occupation and the usurpation of local wealth via taxes, loan sharking and theft, much like how the IMF and World Bank operate today in the Third World.
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Where / when did the stories of Odin come into play? And is there any relation to the Roman gods and Greek gods
Yes. First stories of odin can be dated to about the 800s but the stories are much older than that of course. And yes Mercury is the parralel in the roman mythology and (probably) Hermes in the greek
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 thank you... please keep up the great content, its extremely educational and opens an open mind even more.
Vow, very interesting. Please do more!
And you are right, Valhalla is NOT cristian. /Micke P
This is still a theory at this point.
I believe that the Wheel of the 4 Directions is the oldest spiritual path.
My reasoning is this.
In ancient times most of Humanity was transient, or nomadic. To understand anything about the Wheel gives you a sense of direction. For people who are always on the move. The Wheel is indispensable.
The Turtle Island, or American Indigenous
Have the Wheel. So it's as old as Human life in America. Could be 30 thousands years old. I believe we all shared the Wheel at one time. I can't prove it though.
I would love the Vatican to open their library to 100% investigation & scrutiny to see how much of the "lost" records are not truly lost. Im typically a conspiracy theorist but if I was a power with a goal to dominate the world I wouldn't destroy these items but save them to use against the opposition. How I would love to see a push so hard spiritually, financially and politically to force them, and others, to cough it all up. Every danged page, letter, book, scroll, etc.
I trust Christian writings way more.
B.C. and A.D.
I admit it would be depressing if valhalla is a Christian invention. There are several places we could go, aren't there?
How coincidental. 9 pages were torn out. 9? Lol
I definitely believe in reincarnation.
Vana is Tiamat Absu Adam Keivan is me aka Atum Kyiban we are the Premortal God's of Russia Putin is with me through Goddess Hothor Mother of Russia.
If someone states that there's "proof" of any afterlife, regardless what version, I know immediately they don't mean actually physical evidence proved scientifically. If they want to talk academic proof of a belief's origin that's one thing. But saying that any afterlife/reincarnation concept was proved, that's not actually the case. The first requirement always ends up failing, which is if the idea is quantifiable, i.e. physically measurable.
wälhällä is actually thousands of naked men wrestling. Sorry to break your immersion
The word Valhalla sounds very simulating in the Scandinavian languages as, "our hall" this could therefore indicate reaching the family's cousins and uncles going out on a trip together and seeing each other fall on the field. that showed that at home in "our hall" (Valhalla) your achievements will be talked about and you will stay alive.
If you wish to understand the symbolism of mythology, I would suggest you read Carl Jung and Mircea Eliade.
Interesting 🤔. I have some reservations with reincarnation. What would be the point if we generally forget our past lives? Relearning the same lessons over and over just doesn't make sense.
I believe all religions throughout the world in there beginnings struggled to bring people together and feel a cohesiveness. It's important to remember that the world was a not so nice place to live millennium s ago. All religions started with one man or woman trying to bring some sort of peace to the world. A great person for sure. The heavens and the hells from the different religions were conception. Basically if you're a "bad" individual you go to hell. Good people go to heaven. Within the realms of "heaven and hell" there need to be good guys and bad guys, "gods, deities etc." To make the whole concept seem more plausible. Did the beginning religions make an impact in the beginning? Norse tribes that invaded other lands needed comfort. How? If you die in battle or possibly raiding you could possibly go to Valhalla. A great place to live in the afterlife with the aforementioned gods. It brought the Scandinavian people together. I'm from Scandinavian background and British Isles. I believe in my forefathers belief systems. I do believe one needs to however understand the differences between hard facts and fiction also. No disrespect to this channel, I've gotten great information from it. Skàl👊
Have to admit, I don't fully believe in valhalla as a place that you go to after you die. I believe that such a place can exist somewhere in our reality, just don't know where it would exist. I believe much more in reincarnation, I can't see a "final destination" like the Christian heaven be a thing (who would want to go there, not me).
Hell was invented at the church convention in Nikea. Before that your soul was just lost, if you did not belong in Heaven. Same with Valhall, it was redefined by the "winners". Valhall is a place in the area between Chechnya and Turkey, where they wanted to return to.
Valhall could just be a a (later poetic renaming) for the grave: Val = death, Hall = enclosed place, for the chosen.
curious if you've heard of Shambhala? I've been seening a lot of correlation between Buddhists and Norse Pagan beliefs. this is speculation but I find it highly intriguing the annunciation of the two is damn near identical. love your videos and all the information you share!
I prefer Omnism! Little bit of everything. Thx 🙏🏻, ♾ d
what i heard and understand it from the video when it come to Valhalla it is like when a some reaches the point to become transcendent. (wich definetly requers alot of reincarnation ) The definitive from or tem used on Valhalla as an "afterlife" is a bit out of context to label Valhalla as an afterlife thats for sure. What i am trying to say (sorry my english not the best hence it is not my native language so i am sorry about my grammar and spelling but i hope you get it what i mean) is bascily already heard in the video when you mentioned Nirvana.
Nirvana is not an afterlife thats for sure. it the point when the soul or your spirit is become transcendent and became the very "divine" beeing what we truly are (at least in occult phylosophy ofc) In my opinion same apllyes to Valhalla as well. You born you are inside the circle until you reach your transcendent state then you break out of the circles of reincarnation. Please note this, this cannot be achieved by saying okay im done and i am leaving the circle now. No one know exactly howmany reincarnation is requered to achieve that state when you can leav the circle, and actualy became what you truly are. A divine beiing(not in a christian term at all) You said in one in your video that the we have parts from the gods lives within us like the heart, wich is beating.
The Odr (not sure if i spelled that right) but if what you said is true (and i am 100% sure it is) that means we are parth of them as well. And Valhalla is the higest state what the soul or your spirit can achieve. If we think a bit behind the word what Valhalla means (in true context not by the unsure or christan stuff) but we can clearly put the piecies together and we have the conclusion. We are their children (according to the sagas at least (poetic) ) so Valhalla means we are not going to the christinised heaven, it is the oposite the childern of the gods are awaken. And they decide when they reach their last reincarnation (becasue there is always a chose) to re enter the circle and become the messenger (you know whom i speak of) or you just dont. You have acomplished the thing what you meant to be become. your own divine self. The seed wich lives inside of our souls or spirit is a direct divine spark from the gods, even if were created out of tree or not, why? you said it even trees have tehir spirituality, energy, vibes, frekvenczies etc.
They are all connected.They are all part of the whole big picture. they are not just plants, or stuff. they have their own macrocosmical hensikt. You know what i mean? some one might say that there is no escape from the ciclycal reincarnation, but thats not true. everything has a reason. And the main goal is to realize yourself. wich means reaching the point of Become Valhalla. what do you think? i hope you could get it what i meant to say i am so sorry about my grammar and my spelling :D honestly i wish i could help it but 12+2 tense usage in a language is a bit to hard for me :D
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Verry fun and refreshing channel.
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My personal conclusion is Valhalla is the warriors who died in battle after life and Nephillim/Hel is for everybody else. After a time in the afterlife we reincarnate. The afterlife is just a continuation of this life divorced from our physical body's/egos.
wait so if Valhalla was never a real afterlife concept, then what did the vikings believe in the context of the honor in dying in battle as opposed to old age? Unless that whole concept is also a pop culture myth and the vikings were really raiding just for both retaliation to an opposing dominant religion and also for expansion/feeding their people?
It seems like the deeper I dig into Norse mythos, the more it seems like pop culture misrepresents practically every aspect. And what's crazy is that the only other parallel I can think of for how much is misrepresented is the middle eastern cultures that normally get bogged down and generalized into one big mess of stereotypes. It's almost like many of the facts and perspectives have been intentionally twisted for propaganda in the past and like a game of telephone, just blew up and became over stigmatized.
It's a funny thing: belief vs. religion. When I speak on this topic with folks of differing views, the one thing that remains constant is the core: life as a mirror image of the divine, a central consciousness and an understanding of the "light at the end of the tunnel". These innate ideas sit always in the back of our collective understanding no matter which belief or religion. The real thing to take on the pagan journey is close attention to nature. Nature is the bridge between life and the divine. Just you and the gods. The afterlife is somewhat the same way, we all know what we are talking about. We just use different terms. As close as I can tell, the belief of Norse pagans goes something like: you die, your spirit is taken to Hel, you journey through Hel to get to Bifrost wherein you are welcomed to Asgard. If you die in battle, you reside in Valhalla if not, you reside as spirits within the realm and can be reincarnated.
Proof for Reincarnation being real you say. Links to Scientific studies you say. Well, where is it?
I think all theories are correct to different tribes. I believe in reincarnation and valhol being a warrior in the next life.
What does your religion say about the end of time. End of man kind? What happens to the reincarnation cycle then? Just wondering.
Well if Valhalla is reincarnation, it would make sense of how we would be living inside the remains of a great being. After all wasn't it Odin and his brothers who destroyed their father and made the universe from it? Long stretch, sure, but is curious.
To me Valhalla is the feasting hall of dead warriors. It's Not for everyone. It is specifically for warriors, and shield maidens of course, which is why dying with sword in hand is so important. It signifies you died in battle and are worthy of a seat in Valhalla.