I am the 3rd great niece of General Schofield and I believe that his Son developed the 45 Schofield pistol if I am not mistaken. Uberti makes a great replica of that gun. Thank You Steve for a great video!
@@brownells most of those guns from uberti look great but were chambered in 45lc for practical purposes because of ammo. But you think back then someone would of ran with the design and upped it to 45lc.
45 schofield was an anemic cartridge, as were many old west cartridges. It's honestly impressive what Colt achieved with the 45 colt cartridge, a heavy bullet with reliably lethal speeds.
Ironic that you say that, as much of the .45 Colt's reputation is actually earned by the smaller cartridge. The rim of the. 45 S&W was too large to allow all chambers of a Colt SAA without interference. The Ordnance Corps solution was to produce a new cartridge, essentially a .45 S&W with a smaller rim diameter that allowed the cartridge (dubbed the .45 Colt Government, aka the .45 Short Colt, though that title is rarely used) to be used interchangeably in either the Colt SAA or the S&W Schofield revolvers. To that end, issue Colt SAAs were resigned by lowering (filing down) the front sight to correct the POA/POI to the lower velocity cartridge. Most original military SAAs won't hit Point of Aim with ammo loaded to original .45 Colt specs due to that modification.
Reason being, these are all one way interchangeable. In a 460S&W you can chamber 454 Casull, 45 LC, 45 Schofield, and 45 Cowboy Special and fire them all safely. 455 Webley is not compatible with this lineup. 45 ACP is mentioned due to the moon clips and it is a direct descendant of the Cowboy Special.
Can I use Freedom Ammunition .45 Long Colt in a 1860 army conversion cylinder? I’m buying from gun auction but they didn’t mention how much or what kind of powder is in it. Just saying that it’s perfect for cowboy action shooting.
I'm just getting started in reloading for 45 Colt. I have two Pietta and two Uberti single action clones and a new model Armys conversion and a Pietta 1860 Army with a 45 Colt conversion cylinder. All are chambered in 45 Colt. Thank you for sharing this video, very informative and interesting.
I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk in .454 Casull and it is my all time favorite caliber. It was the round that got me into reloading! That is the only downside. The price per round is insanely expensive!
.45 Colt is definitely one of my absolute favorites and have different ones. Also like the .45 ACP even today in the old 1911 or other semi-auto, or even with moon clips in the revolver...Thanks, sir!.
That cowboy special is cool. It's like what I did with .38 SC brass, essentially had .38 Special+P+ velocity probably around 27,000 PSI, to shoot in my .357 Mag revolvers but with a lot less powder, flash, and recoil. And faster reloads.
My dad has a SW revolver from the 1950s that shoots 45 ACP. It is the sweetest shooting revolver I have ever fired. Nice trigger, very accurate. Not sure the exact model but is a very sweet revolver.
Great video! I've really come to appreciate 45 caliber in the last couple of years. I've had a couple of 45 ACP 1911s for a while. Since then, I've picked up a 45 ACP carbine, a 45 Colt model 94, a Blackhawk 45 Colt / 45 ACP convertible & a Super Blackhawk 454 Casull. I want to try loading some 45 Cowboy Special for the Blackhawk. Love videos like this! 👍👍😀
In the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk, you can do reloads that will easily out perform the .44 magnum. It is quite a robust revolver. Also, I have multiple .45 caliber revolvers, semi-autos, carbines, and rifles - including a T/C Contender w/ 14" barrel pistol in .45-70. I don't shoot THAT one too often! 😉
I had 1911s for over 40 years and just got the S&W 625 this past year and love it. Moon clips aren't much of a hassle. Made a unloading tool out of 1/2" copper pipe from vids on utube. Got the 625 from S&W performance center and changed the red and blue clown grips with a nice set of rosewood Altamont grips, and used metal polish and a rag to bring the gun to a bright stainless steel finish. Now a great looking revolver that shoots great!
I remember the film "Alien Nation" when James Caan's character wielded a .454 Casull. That'd be a cool "From the Vault" episode to do. Or maybe a guns of the movies? Feature the Desert Eagle, too. Cheers!
Thank you for this. I am very interested in the 45 cowboy special. I have a Henry carbine in 45 colt, I am just about to take the reloading plunge in the next few weeks, and I want to start with 45 colt. Henry says the rile can handle whatever loads are commercially available. So I'm interested in learning about all options. That cowboy special sounds like a step in the right direction. I'll be looking for more info on that one. Thanks again!
Thanks for "forgetting" about certain Austrian manufacturer's take on the .45 cartridge. Along with, of course, a great thank you for yet another amazing video. May you folks at Brownells' have a great day!
.45 Colt is very versatile cartridge and ability to use .45 ACP makes revolvers even more appealing. Too bad there is no such double action revolvers on the market other than Ruger Redhawk which is also in "unobtainable" category.
Thank you for this, there are even more than I was previously aware of. I wouldn’t mind a moon clio video at all. I was actually looking at the .460 smith and Wesson revolvers to take as a sidearm when hunting because I’d heard you could use like like a .357 magnum in that you could use the full powered .460 rounds or you could choose lighter shooting rounds like .454, .45 colt, or .45 schoffield and I liked having the options.
While you can, I'll tell you from experience, you get a lead or powder ring in your cylinder at the shorter case edge which prevents you from loading the longer rounds if you use lead bullets or dirty powders. So try to stick with jacketed bullets and clean powders if you want to use short cases. There's some evidence you'll get worse accuracy due to the longer jump to the forcing cone too. 460 has a lot of oomph to it and you might want to try it out before you commit to it. I find my raging bull in 454 to be about what I'm comfortable with. They make pretty good holsters for it that'll fit your optic as well and with even a mediocre optic, 454 will reach out 250 yards easy. 460 will go even further, but if this is to be your bear or backup gun, I don't think it makes as much sense. If you're carrying that much extra, consider using it as your hunting arm. My 454 is already more than 5 pounds unloaded and with an optic is near light rifle weight. 460 and 454 will both take any game in north America nicely and humanely.
@@CtrlAltRetreat I appreciate you sharing your experience. I’ll definitely take it into consideration. Is the ring issue permanent or does a good cleaning take care of it? I was also debating the judge magnum for the same concept of having options to choose from, but figured the .460 was a slightly more reasonable than something with a 3 inch cylinder and myself and my family have had nothing but good experiences with smith and Wesson in the past.
@@evanf1443 A good cleaning takes care of it but its just as stubborn to get out as a barrel fowling and now you've got 6 of them to clear. Couple things to note, the judge may have the chamber space for them but i don't believe they're rated for 454 pressures and you'll find they're not all that accurate in 45 lc. I wouldn't suggest the judge unless you want to run it purely for the 410. It doesn't use the heavier Taurus raging bull frames which are designed for the more pretend rounds. I love Smith revolvers and the majority of my wheel guns are from them. You won't go wrong with a performance center product. Imho, for a revolver shooter, multi caliber isn't nearly as important as many think. Most guys that like revolvers tend to start reloading to leverage the advantages of the platform. Since you can dump your brass into a pouch so you can use nice premium brass and keep them with you. They give you much more leeway in loadings and you'llbe able to do amazing things by changing the bullet and powder you use to match your gun and application. Magnum primers, heavy crimp and no need to auto cycle mitigate empty case space other downloading issues so you can safely use weak loads in large cases without most of the associated issues in autos. These days you can get a lee hand press with dies and start reloading for less than two boxes of plinker ammo. If you're like me, you'll love tinkering with and learning what you can do with it. Imho you won't go wrong even at relatively long range with any hunting revolver 44 and up. The optic is the more important issue for handgun hunting as revolver sights will completely obscure the target at any sort of long range and no one makes an optic that has some sort of close in sighting to facilitate use as a bear gun as well..
This is one of the best marketing tools that Brownell's has initiated. Information for those of us who shoot a lot but don't know all of the reasons why things work the way they do. Although I have shot all sorts of 44's and 45's, I missed the information about the 45 "Cowboy Special", which after Steve's explanation made perfect sense. Thanks to all at Brownell's!
I did not know about the 45 cowboy special, very cool. I have a new When 1873 trapper (9 shot in LC) and want to use it in cowboy action. This would allow me the 10 capacity to allow me to be more competitive. I love the 45, I shoot and reload 45/70, ACP, LC, 454 casual up to 458 soSOM, good video.
The .45 Cowboy Special is great for single actions with dual cylinders because you can load more efficient loads for use in the ACP cylinder and give them a good roll crimp as the cartridge can headspace on the rim instead of the mouth!
45 Colt name. The 45 Colt is the official name used by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI). The common misnomer name 45 long Colt is not required. It was never officially named 45 long Colt and its use is incorrect. Yes, everyone's familiar with the 45 Colt cartridge back in the calvary days. The soldiers came up with the 45 long Colt designation, because of the shorter 45 S&W Schofield cartridge. I'm not stating this to change your mind, I'm just educating you on the only correct name 45 Colt.
The guy stated at the outset that he did not want to get in to the tiresome "Long Colt" BS. As far as educating him goes, I think he has a full blackboard already, good luck; and if you want to be pedantic, it's "its".
I’d like to see a video on moon clips. Never used them cause they look like a pain in the.... seem like more ancillary stuff you need to make them work.
They do happen to be kind of a pain in the butt. And remember they've been invented so you could fire semi-auto cartridges outta revolvers. This alone has a terminal ballistics issue: The cilinder gap is a problem for the already weaker-than-revolver-only semi-auto cartridges, causing what's in my humble opinion a great waste of energy. But then again, it always depends on the task you want to assign your revolver to, of course. Cheers and have a nice day! :-)
I had my gp100 modified to use moonclips and I love it, gotta buy the bmt moonclip loader/unloader in my opinion, for ease of use. Its a nice upgrade allows for super quick reloads and if you forget the moonclips or just don't feel like using them you can shoot without it no issues
I’ve got a 625JM and use moon clips. Way faster to reload and eject 6rds. W/o the moon clips you have to poke out empties with a stick. What’s neat is half moon clips. They allow you top sort of top up a cylinder after only shooting a few rounds.
Works like a speedloader. I actually carried a S&W 1917 for a year. It was quick and easy to reload. You can make a tool to make loading round in the clip so it isn't that tough.
What a relaxed, easy way to put that information right inside my head. I enjoyed this very much. Looking forward to a video on moon clips, if you will make one.
Good work. I like the video a lot. I’ve always thought about having a large caliber revolver. Almost bought a .454 when the guns became commercially available in the early 2000s. Glad I didn’t. A buddy of mine, who’s 6 inches taller and 75 pounds heavier than me, told me later it was too much gun for him.
What a great video! A couple of thoughts on the Cowboy cartridge from a cowboy action shooter. The actual name of the cartridge is "Cowboy .45 Special", "C45S" for short. I've called it .45 Cowboy Special myself; so that's not quite the bone of contention that .45 Colt/.45 Long Colt causes. The .45 Colt certainly has a ton of excess capacity with modern smokeless powder. Most cowboy shooters don't sweat that. Almost everyone that I know who uses C45S is a black powder shooter. Many folks may not realize that a black powder cartridge should be filled to capacity with a little bit of compression when the bullet is seated. That's why cartridges developed prior to the development of smokeless powder are so large (compare .45 Colt to .45 ACP, .38 Special to 9mm). A .45 Colt case full of black powder and a 250-ish grain bullet makes for a stout pistol load. The shorter case holds less powder which makes for a controllable load in a revolver. Finally the shorter cartridge may result in a greater magazine capacity but we typically have ten rifle targets on a stage so our rifles almost always hold ten. There's no reason to load more, because extra ammunition loaded into the rifle would incur a penalty if fired and a different penalty if left in the rifle at the end of a string. For other uses, however, the extra magazine capacity is a plus.
Great video. Just a request/idea... Colt 1873 vs. Remington 1875. I know who the the Army chose, but a direct side by side comparison with pluses and minuses and why the winner is better.
They did turn the 454 into a rifle round. 450bm is a rebated rim 454. And they did make something very similar to 460, it’s called 45 raptor but not enough people own them for ammo to be readily available and produced by ammo manufacturers
Steve, thank you for another excellent, informative video. I’d add a word about moon clips: Brownells sell EZ or RIMZ moon clips (they are identical). These are hydrocarbon polymer - not steel - and they are simply terrific. Unlike steel moon clips, the will not rust, crimp, permanently bend, or become damaged thorough use . . . and they require no tools to load or unload the moon clips. Furthermore, they are really long lasting; I purchased a dozen or so 15 years ago, and have fired thousands of .40 S&W and 10mm rounds in my Smith 610 with them . . . with absolutely NO problems, and they’re still “going strong.” They have another notable advantage; the polymer flexes enough that I can “nest” two six round moon clips together. This allows me to fit twelve 10mm rounds easily in the pocket of my jeans - much less space than traditional, belt-mounted moon clips holders. And, of course, reloading a revolver with moon clips is (for me at least) every bit as fast as reloading an autoloader with a box magazine. I believe - you can check the website - they’re made for 9x19, .40/10mm, and of course .45 ASCP. IMHO, RIMZ’s are truly outstanding . . . and very much worth their affordable cost.
The Federal Hammer Down 44 magnum rounds muzzle velocity is 1715 FPS pushing a 270 grain solid core bullet. This ammo is very close to 4570 ballistics in lever action rifles.
Very good information, and on point. I'M a big fan of 45 COLT, especially in the Freedom Arms Model 83 with warm loads. Easily out performing the 44 mag.
Thanks for this. I actually did have Clark Custom Guns, (on Shootout Lane) Jerry’s in-laws, cut the cylinder of a 45colt mountain gun for full moon clips. I was showing a friend and just to see, he dropped a 45acp full moon clip and shut the cylinder. I never tried shooting one as I was unsure of the jump the bullet would take before it hit the chamber mouth. It would certainly add a lot of versatility!
Wonderful history. What about the 45 GAP. Know it did not catch on because it was a preparatory round. Thinking many departments bought it then Faded away?
The .45 Cowboy Special is almost as good as sliced bread ~> a match of the .45 Colt rim + a .45 ACP = easier reloading & easier on the wheel-gun & easier on the wallet over the long run! Awesome video here as the .452" pistol caliber is enjoying a resurgence in popularity here in the 2020's...thanx Brownells!
My conversion cylinders for my BP in 45 LC also will handle the 45 Schofields. The Schofield round was developed because Henry Schoefield wanted the military's contract . Now back in the late 1800's the mule or pack horse carried the supplies, but they had weight limitations and Schofield figured out the optimal BP charge and put it in a shorter case, shorter case meant the animal could carry more ammo so he came up with his revolver to "seal " the deal so to speak..The Schofield has a slightly thicker rim then the Colt, In time in order to end the confusion on the ammo the Colt cylinders were milled out to also handle the Schofield round.. Or something like that..
I believe the cylinder of the Smith & Wesson revolver was too short to chamber the .45 Colt so a shorter cartridge was needed. Modern reproductions of the S&W Schofield have a longer cylinder than the original.
Full moon clips are smokin fast to reload a 625 or m25 revolver, and very cheap. But sometimes I have a issue with the back of the rim dragging on the frame and binding, or if the cartridge is too far forward, a missfire.
Cool. Great Info. I didn't know about the .45 cowboy. I just bought a revolver that shoots .44 Cap and Ball and has a .45LC conversion cylinder that came with it. I will have to try the cowboy ammo.
'Cowboy' ammo generally is powered down ammo that's been used for recreation or Old West based competition. Most often, softer lead bullets top the cartridge.
My 460V can chamber and fire the 45 Schofield and 45 Autorim along with the 45 Long Colt, 454 Casull, 460 S&W magnum. TK Custom can alter my cylinder to hold semi-auto 45 caliber cartridges. 45 Cowboy Load is a great idea too.
I've long thought the long jump of an ACP in the redhawk or blackhawk to the forcing cone isn't going to give great shooting . So I stick with the 45Colt in those and the S&W m25-5 , but I'll play with the acp someday being curious. I enjoy the vids, Steve, thanks.
Fantastic and very informative video Steve! I've had the S&W Model 25-2 1955 Target for many years that is in almost new and slightly fired condition, and I've yet to fire it. I just got a bunch of full clips, and I'm excited to shoot. I'm wondering about needing rubber grips for my old hands? Also holster options? I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thanks and Blessings!
Cant remember the model but Smith made a revolver that shot rimless that took clips but also had fingers in the extractor that would hold shells in place to fire and extract when you hit ejector rod. To me that's the way to go. It should be done more.
Smith did not. Charter arms makes models that have pop out extensions for rimless cartridges as well as the Phillips and Rodgers medusa, but neither of those can take moon clips. Both Smith and Chiappa make revolvers that can use moon clips and extract rimmed cartridges though. The trr8 was a great Smith 357 that used 8 round moon clips if you wanted to and the rhino also works with and without 6 round clips. My 329pd was cut for moon clips by tk customs and they did a fantastic job keeping the extractor fully functional too. Moon clips are often quite nice to handle. I highly suggest the ranch style demooner over all other types.
@@CtrlAltRetreat agree to disagree I guess on the Smith because I personally shot it because a friend of mine had it. inside each of the extractor grooves had a little grooved piece of metal on spring tension that worked with the rimmed and rimless cartridges It's been years ago and I cant remember alot about it but if you have way know guns like myself you know a Smith from a charter arms by the looks...
@@jimmieburleigh9549 Whatever you say man. Though if they're not making them anymore, there's probably a reason for it and if they are, pull up the model number for us and maybe we'll help them get those sales going so we can see more of them.
Smith & Wesson Model 547 9x19 revolver was made in the 1980's, less than 6000 produced. Most technically difficult to make S&W made to date given it's clipless star extractor design. That gun is approaching collector price status. A similar extractor system is utilized by Charter Arms (Pitbull series) and by Korth. Difference: Charter wheel guns @$500; Korth, @$4000.
Yes sir. Sweet. I would got my Kirst Konverters in 45 long colt if I woul lowed moon clips. Then had 3 /for/ 1. Got 45 acp. I like it. Black powder or 45 acp. Been nice have colt to.
hrrrmmm... No .45 Super? i've been on a quest for a 230 grain .45 Super truncated cone... The notion is to have a "anti vehicle borne bandit load" for my "sweetened" (DPM recoil spring and +10% magazine springs) Glock 30... Chicago Metro area so vehicle borne banditry has been a REAL concern over the last 40+ years... If not for familial obligations I would've popped smoke and got off to Eastern TN. or South FL. years ago. Thumbs up... This was quite informative.
How about the .455 Eley or Webley which there are thousands around the world. I personally own three with them being one Colt New Army and a Webley break top. Like your videos and keep up the good work.
Thanks for the history of the .45 cartridge. Well done
Did anyone else see the AT-4 just chilling in the gun safe...
When the .460 just ain’t quite big enough...
this is the comment i was looking for....
I see it.
And I approve!
Yeah, It's just chilling. It's a bit much for deer, but OK on elk. 😜
My God..there Really is one! Do you Reckon its functional?
I am the 3rd great niece of General Schofield and I believe that his Son developed the 45 Schofield pistol if I am not mistaken. Uberti makes a great replica of that gun. Thank You Steve for a great video!
Whoa! ...thank you for sharing! Thank you also for watching!
@@brownells most of those guns from uberti look great but were chambered in 45lc for practical purposes because of ammo.
But you think back then someone would of ran with the design and upped it to 45lc.
Urberti has made a replica Schofield in .45 caliber. At @$1000, it's a finely made break top revolver.
Not entire gun, the lock.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Thank You!!
45 schofield was an anemic cartridge, as were many old west cartridges. It's honestly impressive what Colt achieved with the 45 colt cartridge, a heavy bullet with reliably lethal speeds.
Ironic that you say that, as much of the .45 Colt's reputation is actually earned by the smaller cartridge. The rim of the. 45 S&W was too large to allow all chambers of a Colt SAA without interference. The Ordnance Corps solution was to produce a new cartridge, essentially a .45 S&W with a smaller rim diameter that allowed the cartridge (dubbed the .45 Colt Government, aka the .45 Short Colt, though that title is rarely used) to be used interchangeably in either the Colt SAA or the S&W Schofield revolvers. To that end, issue Colt SAAs were resigned by lowering (filing down) the front sight to correct the POA/POI to the lower velocity cartridge. Most original military SAAs won't hit Point of Aim with ammo loaded to original .45 Colt specs due to that modification.
Excellent history of the
45 cal round. My “”Judge” is of course 45 Colt.
I started reloading because of my love of the 45 colt.
But even I don’t appreciate it the way this dude does
I have a .45 Caliber Ruger Blackhawk Convertible six-shooter. Has the cylinders for .45 Colt and .45 ACP. Great combo single action revolver.
I was surprised that the .455 Webley revolver cartridge didn’t make an appearance.
Reason being, these are all one way interchangeable. In a 460S&W you can chamber 454 Casull, 45 LC, 45 Schofield, and 45 Cowboy Special and fire them all safely. 455 Webley is not compatible with this lineup. 45 ACP is mentioned due to the moon clips and it is a direct descendant of the Cowboy Special.
@@williamfeldmann Your answer does make sense. The topic was about .45 caliber rounds. Not interchangeably.
@@williamfeldmann .45 ACP was introduced almost a century *before* .45 Cowboy Special. I think you meant .45 Schofield.
Well, he certainly didn’t mean to include the 45 Auto Rim as it is not ‘one way compatible’ with the others.
Can I use Freedom Ammunition .45 Long Colt in a 1860 army conversion cylinder? I’m buying from gun auction but they didn’t mention how much or what kind of powder is in it. Just saying that it’s perfect for cowboy action shooting.
Love these videos. You guys have really been doing a great job lately. Keep it up!
Thank you!
More Moonclips!!😎👍
I have the best of both words. My Ruger Blackhawk comes with interchangeable cylinders. One for .45 Colt and the other for .45 ACP.
I really wish that I still had my S&W model 25-5 in 45LC!!
That's a great wheel-gun!!
I'm just getting started in reloading for 45 Colt. I have two Pietta and two Uberti single action clones and a new model Armys conversion and a Pietta 1860 Army with a 45 Colt conversion cylinder. All are chambered in 45 Colt. Thank you for sharing this video, very informative and interesting.
I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk in .454 Casull and it is my all time favorite caliber. It was the round that got me into reloading! That is the only downside. The price per round is insanely expensive!
I needed the refresher course
.45 Colt is definitely one of my absolute favorites and have different ones. Also like the .45 ACP even today in the old 1911 or other semi-auto, or even with moon clips in the revolver...Thanks, sir!.
That cowboy special is cool. It's like what I did with .38 SC brass, essentially had .38 Special+P+ velocity probably around 27,000 PSI, to shoot in my .357 Mag revolvers but with a lot less powder, flash, and recoil. And faster reloads.
My dad has a SW revolver from the 1950s that shoots 45 ACP. It is the sweetest shooting revolver I have ever fired. Nice trigger, very accurate. Not sure the exact model but is a very sweet revolver.
It's probably a 45 Military, or early model 25, blue-steel, I presume.
Great video! I've really come to appreciate 45 caliber in the last couple of years. I've had a couple of 45 ACP 1911s for a while. Since then, I've picked up a 45 ACP carbine, a 45 Colt model 94, a Blackhawk 45 Colt / 45 ACP convertible & a Super Blackhawk 454 Casull. I want to try loading some 45 Cowboy Special for the Blackhawk. Love videos like this! 👍👍😀
In the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk, you can do reloads that will easily out perform the .44 magnum. It is quite a robust revolver. Also, I have multiple .45 caliber revolvers, semi-autos, carbines, and rifles - including a T/C Contender w/ 14" barrel pistol in .45-70. I don't shoot THAT one too often! 😉
I've heard of the 45 auto rim. Never knew what gun it was used in. Thank you for the information. I carry a 1911, would like to get a revolver now.
I had 1911s for over 40 years and just got the S&W 625 this past year and love it. Moon clips aren't much of a hassle. Made a unloading tool out of 1/2" copper pipe from vids on utube. Got the 625 from S&W performance center and changed the red and blue clown grips with a nice set of rosewood Altamont grips, and used metal polish and a rag to bring the gun to a bright stainless steel finish. Now a great looking revolver that shoots great!
I remember the film "Alien Nation" when James Caan's character wielded a .454 Casull. That'd be a cool "From the Vault" episode to do. Or maybe a guns of the movies? Feature the Desert Eagle, too. Cheers!
Thank you for this. I am very interested in the 45 cowboy special. I have a Henry carbine in 45 colt, I am just about to take the reloading plunge in the next few weeks, and I want to start with 45 colt. Henry says the rile can handle whatever loads are commercially available. So I'm interested in learning about all options. That cowboy special sounds like a step in the right direction. I'll be looking for more info on that one. Thanks again!
I've long thought the 45 Cowboy would be a great round for a 5 shot snubby.
Thanks for "forgetting" about certain Austrian manufacturer's take on the .45 cartridge. Along with, of course, a great thank you for yet another amazing video. May you folks at Brownells' have a great day!
The .45 GAP? Never seen a revolver for it.
.45 Colt is very versatile cartridge and ability to use .45 ACP makes revolvers even more appealing. Too bad there is no such double action revolvers on the market other than Ruger Redhawk which is also in "unobtainable" category.
S&W needs to make one (better trigger than Redhawk), but w/o that .410 shotshell garbage. Less cylinder; more barrel.
Thank you for this, there are even more than I was previously aware of. I wouldn’t mind a moon clio video at all. I was actually looking at the .460 smith and Wesson revolvers to take as a sidearm when hunting because I’d heard you could use like like a .357 magnum in that you could use the full powered .460 rounds or you could choose lighter shooting rounds like .454, .45 colt, or .45 schoffield and I liked having the options.
While you can, I'll tell you from experience, you get a lead or powder ring in your cylinder at the shorter case edge which prevents you from loading the longer rounds if you use lead bullets or dirty powders. So try to stick with jacketed bullets and clean powders if you want to use short cases. There's some evidence you'll get worse accuracy due to the longer jump to the forcing cone too.
460 has a lot of oomph to it and you might want to try it out before you commit to it. I find my raging bull in 454 to be about what I'm comfortable with. They make pretty good holsters for it that'll fit your optic as well and with even a mediocre optic, 454 will reach out 250 yards easy. 460 will go even further, but if this is to be your bear or backup gun, I don't think it makes as much sense. If you're carrying that much extra, consider using it as your hunting arm. My 454 is already more than 5 pounds unloaded and with an optic is near light rifle weight. 460 and 454 will both take any game in north America nicely and humanely.
@@CtrlAltRetreat I appreciate you sharing your experience. I’ll definitely take it into consideration. Is the ring issue permanent or does a good cleaning take care of it? I was also debating the judge magnum for the same concept of having options to choose from, but figured the .460 was a slightly more reasonable than something with a 3 inch cylinder and myself and my family have had nothing but good experiences with smith and Wesson in the past.
@@evanf1443
A good cleaning takes care of it but its just as stubborn to get out as a barrel fowling and now you've got 6 of them to clear. Couple things to note, the judge may have the chamber space for them but i don't believe they're rated for 454 pressures and you'll find they're not all that accurate in 45 lc. I wouldn't suggest the judge unless you want to run it purely for the 410. It doesn't use the heavier Taurus raging bull frames which are designed for the more pretend rounds.
I love Smith revolvers and the majority of my wheel guns are from them. You won't go wrong with a performance center product. Imho, for a revolver shooter, multi caliber isn't nearly as important as many think.
Most guys that like revolvers tend to start reloading to leverage the advantages of the platform. Since you can dump your brass into a pouch so you can use nice premium brass and keep them with you. They give you much more leeway in loadings and you'llbe able to do amazing things by changing the bullet and powder you use to match your gun and application. Magnum primers, heavy crimp and no need to auto cycle mitigate empty case space other downloading issues so you can safely use weak loads in large cases without most of the associated issues in autos. These days you can get a lee hand press with dies and start reloading for less than two boxes of plinker ammo. If you're like me, you'll love tinkering with and learning what you can do with it.
Imho you won't go wrong even at relatively long range with any hunting revolver 44 and up.
The optic is the more important issue for handgun hunting as revolver sights will completely obscure the target at any sort of long range and no one makes an optic that has some sort of close in sighting to facilitate use as a bear gun as well..
@@CtrlAltRetreat I really appreciate you taking the time to share that much information and I’ll definitely take it into consideration.
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Always glad to help out a member of the 2a community. Enjoy and welcome to wheel gunning!
This is one of the best marketing tools that Brownell's has initiated. Information for those of us who shoot a lot but don't know all of the reasons why things work the way they do. Although I have shot all sorts of 44's and 45's, I missed the information about the 45 "Cowboy Special", which after Steve's explanation made perfect sense. Thanks to all at Brownell's!
Thank you for watching!
Great balance in your presentation. The subject wasn't too common or obscure, it was just right.
I did not know about the 45 cowboy special, very cool. I have a new When 1873 trapper (9 shot in LC) and want to use it in cowboy action. This would allow me the 10 capacity to allow me to be more competitive. I love the 45, I shoot and reload 45/70, ACP, LC, 454 casual up to 458 soSOM, good video.
What about .460 Rowland? I've got one and I'm a big fan...
The .45 Cowboy Special is great for single actions with dual cylinders because you can load more efficient loads for use in the ACP cylinder and give them a good roll crimp as the cartridge can headspace on the rim instead of the mouth!
Thank you very much for the very informative video on the Great 45s. Have a blessed week.
Rise Patriots and Never Ever Give Up, Chubbeth's Thunder.
Nice job but you left off the only 45 I absolutely hate 45 gap
Thank you for this video. I didn’t realize until I was 50 that the 45 was my cartridge.
Good insight into the 45 Auto Rim. You said it all when you said the 45 is where it is at.
45 Colt name.
The 45 Colt is the official name used by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI).
The common misnomer name 45 long Colt is not required. It was never officially named 45 long Colt and its use is incorrect.
Yes, everyone's familiar with the 45 Colt cartridge back in the calvary days. The soldiers came up with the 45 long Colt designation, because of the shorter 45 S&W Schofield cartridge.
I'm not stating this to change your mind, I'm just educating you on the only correct name 45 Colt.
The guy stated at the outset that he did not want to get in to the tiresome "Long Colt" BS. As far as educating him goes, I think he has a full blackboard already, good luck; and if you want to be pedantic, it's "its".
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Lol...
I’d like to see a video on moon clips. Never used them cause they look like a pain in the.... seem like more ancillary stuff you need to make them work.
They do happen to be kind of a pain in the butt. And remember they've been invented so you could fire semi-auto cartridges outta revolvers. This alone has a terminal ballistics issue: The cilinder gap is a problem for the already weaker-than-revolver-only semi-auto cartridges, causing what's in my humble opinion a great waste of energy. But then again, it always depends on the task you want to assign your revolver to, of course. Cheers and have a nice day! :-)
I had my gp100 modified to use moonclips and I love it, gotta buy the bmt moonclip loader/unloader in my opinion, for ease of use. Its a nice upgrade allows for super quick reloads and if you forget the moonclips or just don't feel like using them you can shoot without it no issues
I’ve got a 625JM and use moon clips. Way faster to reload and eject 6rds. W/o the moon clips you have to poke out empties with a stick. What’s neat is half moon clips. They allow you top sort of top up a cylinder after only shooting a few rounds.
Works like a speedloader. I actually carried a S&W 1917 for a year. It was quick and easy to reload. You can make a tool to make loading round in the clip so it isn't that tough.
i LOVE these videos... well made and informative, thanks uncle Steve:)
Every time I come across Brownells content I'm impressed.
I love the 45 ACP. What revolvers are out there that will except this bullet? Thank you.
Good Video. I really like .45 ACP, but haven't really been exposed to the rest of the bunch. Great info.
What a relaxed, easy way to put that information right inside my head. I enjoyed this very much. Looking forward to a video on moon clips, if you will make one.
Thank you so much!
Would be interesting to see the capability of the 45 Colt in TC and the heavy Ruger's with Hodgdon Lil Gun powders that better fill the case.
Please make a video about moon clips.
Good work. I like the video a lot. I’ve always thought about having a large caliber revolver. Almost bought a .454 when the guns became commercially available in the early 2000s. Glad I didn’t. A buddy of mine, who’s 6 inches taller and 75 pounds heavier than me, told me later it was too much gun for him.
Really like that old cartridge. Cowboy.
More than I ever need to know about the 45. Thank You
I were enjoyed this very much. I have found the history of various cartridges very interesting.
What a great video! A couple of thoughts on the Cowboy cartridge from a cowboy action shooter. The actual name of the cartridge is "Cowboy .45 Special", "C45S" for short. I've called it .45 Cowboy Special myself; so that's not quite the bone of contention that .45 Colt/.45 Long Colt causes. The .45 Colt certainly has a ton of excess capacity with modern smokeless powder. Most cowboy shooters don't sweat that. Almost everyone that I know who uses C45S is a black powder shooter. Many folks may not realize that a black powder cartridge should be filled to capacity with a little bit of compression when the bullet is seated. That's why cartridges developed prior to the development of smokeless powder are so large (compare .45 Colt to .45 ACP, .38 Special to 9mm). A .45 Colt case full of black powder and a 250-ish grain bullet makes for a stout pistol load. The shorter case holds less powder which makes for a controllable load in a revolver. Finally the shorter cartridge may result in a greater magazine capacity but we typically have ten rifle targets on a stage so our rifles almost always hold ten. There's no reason to load more, because extra ammunition loaded into the rifle would incur a penalty if fired and a different penalty if left in the rifle at the end of a string. For other uses, however, the extra magazine capacity is a plus.
Knowledge is the true power, thanks for doing this presentation!
Great video. Just a request/idea... Colt 1873 vs. Remington 1875. I know who the the Army chose, but a direct side by side comparison with pluses and minuses and why the winner is better.
Great video, I like the AT4 in the locker.
Outstanding video, but I am struggling with there not being a 1873 SAA on the bench.
I love moonclips, I load them with acp and 45 gap without a single issue. Same with my 10 mm revolver, load the clips with either 10 or 40 sw.
Cheers
Did you forget about the 45 Webley?
You forgot to mention the S&W Governor and should have also put a 45-70 beside a 460 for comparison. The magnum research bfr shoots 45-70.
Excellent video
and a great company Thanks
Need a reload video on bullet sizes for 45 cal.... there are so many combinations...
That .45 cowboy special would work nice in my 1860 army with the Kirst conversion cylinder.👍 Now if only Dillon made dies for the SDB press!
They did turn the 454 into a rifle round. 450bm is a rebated rim 454. And they did make something very similar to 460, it’s called 45 raptor but not enough people own them for ammo to be readily available and produced by ammo manufacturers
Steve, thank you for another excellent, informative video.
I’d add a word about moon clips: Brownells sell EZ or RIMZ moon clips (they are identical). These are hydrocarbon polymer - not steel - and they are simply terrific. Unlike steel moon clips, the will not rust, crimp, permanently bend, or become damaged thorough use . . . and they require no tools to load or unload the moon clips. Furthermore, they are really long lasting; I purchased a dozen or so 15 years ago, and have fired thousands of .40 S&W and 10mm rounds in my Smith 610 with them . . . with absolutely NO problems, and they’re still “going strong.” They have another notable advantage; the polymer flexes enough that I can “nest” two six round moon clips together. This allows me to fit twelve 10mm rounds easily in the pocket of my jeans - much less space than traditional, belt-mounted moon clips holders. And, of course, reloading a revolver with moon clips is (for me at least) every bit as fast as reloading an autoloader with a box magazine. I believe - you can check the website - they’re made for 9x19, .40/10mm, and of course .45 ASCP.
IMHO, RIMZ’s are truly outstanding . . . and very much worth their affordable cost.
There was also a 45 Colt Govt. COTW 14th Edition Pg. 477
Very good info. Thanks !
Carried a 25-2 in .45 acp as my duty firearm for years
The Federal Hammer Down 44 magnum rounds muzzle velocity is 1715 FPS pushing a 270 grain solid core bullet. This ammo is very close to 4570 ballistics in lever action rifles.
Very good information, and on point. I'M a big fan of 45 COLT,
especially in the Freedom Arms
Model 83 with warm loads. Easily out performing the 44 mag.
I'd like to learn more about Moon Clips & shortened cowboy 45 long colt loading data.
I like the .45 colt. I also like the .32 H&R magnum. The .32 is very versatile in my opinion.
Originally the 1873 Colts would fire the Schofield ammunition, but not visa versa. You can imagine what inevitably happened.
Thanks for this. I actually did have Clark Custom Guns, (on Shootout Lane) Jerry’s in-laws, cut the cylinder of a 45colt mountain gun for full moon clips. I was showing a friend and just to see, he dropped a 45acp full moon clip and shut the cylinder. I never tried shooting one as I was unsure of the jump the bullet would take before it hit the chamber mouth. It would certainly add a lot of versatility!
I'm a big fan of the .45 cowboy loaded with a .451 round ball over a stiff charge of Bullseye.
thank you
Wonderful history. What about the 45 GAP. Know it did not catch on because it was a preparatory round. Thinking many departments bought it then Faded away?
The .45 Cowboy Special is almost as good as sliced bread ~> a match of the .45 Colt rim + a .45 ACP = easier reloading & easier on the wheel-gun & easier on the wallet over the long run!
Awesome video here as the .452" pistol caliber is enjoying a resurgence in popularity here in the 2020's...thanx Brownells!
My conversion cylinders for my BP in 45 LC also will handle the 45 Schofields. The Schofield round was developed because Henry Schoefield wanted the military's contract . Now back in the late 1800's the mule or pack horse carried the supplies, but they had weight limitations and Schofield figured out the optimal BP charge and put it in a shorter case, shorter case meant the animal could carry more ammo so he came up with his revolver to "seal " the deal so to speak..The Schofield has a slightly thicker rim then the Colt, In time in order to end the confusion on the ammo the Colt cylinders were milled out to also handle the Schofield round.. Or something like that..
I believe the cylinder of the Smith & Wesson revolver was too short to chamber the .45 Colt so a shorter cartridge was needed. Modern reproductions of the S&W Schofield have a longer cylinder than the original.
I was hoping you would mention cowboy special. Props.
Nice review.
thanks for the great lesson!
I’ve got dies, brass and data for both 45LC and 45ACP, and shoot both-Imma have to make up some 45 Cowboy Special!!
Knowledge is an amazing thing
Full moon clips are smokin fast to reload a 625 or m25 revolver, and very cheap. But sometimes I have a issue with the back of the rim dragging on the frame and binding, or if the cartridge is too far forward, a missfire.
Cool. Great Info. I didn't know about the .45 cowboy. I just bought a revolver that shoots .44 Cap and Ball and has a .45LC conversion cylinder that came with it. I will have to try the cowboy ammo.
'Cowboy' ammo generally is powered down ammo that's been used for recreation or Old West based competition. Most often, softer lead bullets top the cartridge.
No mention of .455 webley?
It just isn't DONE, old boy. Geoff Who does not really speak British.
My 460V can chamber and fire the 45 Schofield and 45 Autorim along with the 45 Long Colt, 454 Casull, 460 S&W magnum. TK Custom can alter my cylinder to hold semi-auto 45 caliber cartridges. 45 Cowboy Load is a great idea too.
Will the 460 chamber the 45 special?
Wonderful video!!
That was great video and good information thank you.
I've long thought the long jump of an ACP in the redhawk or blackhawk to the forcing cone isn't going to give great shooting . So I stick with the 45Colt in those and the S&W m25-5 , but I'll play with the acp someday being curious. I enjoy the vids, Steve, thanks.
Fantastic and very informative video Steve! I've had the S&W Model 25-2 1955 Target for many years that is in almost new and slightly fired condition, and I've yet to fire it. I just got a bunch of full clips, and I'm excited to shoot. I'm wondering about needing rubber grips for my old hands? Also holster options? I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thanks and Blessings!
I wish you could talk about the revolvers in 45acp like the charter arms pit bull no moon clips
Cant remember the model but Smith made a revolver that shot rimless that took clips but also had fingers in the extractor that would hold shells in place to fire and extract when you hit ejector rod.
To me that's the way to go. It should be done more.
Smith did not. Charter arms makes models that have pop out extensions for rimless cartridges as well as the Phillips and Rodgers medusa, but neither of those can take moon clips. Both Smith and Chiappa make revolvers that can use moon clips and extract rimmed cartridges though.
The trr8 was a great Smith 357 that used 8 round moon clips if you wanted to and the rhino also works with and without 6 round clips. My 329pd was cut for moon clips by tk customs and they did a fantastic job keeping the extractor fully functional too. Moon clips are often quite nice to handle. I highly suggest the ranch style demooner over all other types.
@@CtrlAltRetreat agree to disagree I guess on the Smith because I personally shot it because a friend of mine had it. inside each of the extractor grooves had a little grooved piece of metal on spring tension that worked with the rimmed and rimless cartridges
It's been years ago and I cant remember alot about it but if you have way know guns like myself you know a Smith from a charter arms by the looks...
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Whatever you say man. Though if they're not making them anymore, there's probably a reason for it and if they are, pull up the model number for us and maybe we'll help them get those sales going so we can see more of them.
Smith & Wesson Model 547 9x19 revolver was made in the 1980's, less than 6000 produced. Most technically difficult to make S&W made to date given it's clipless star extractor design. That gun is approaching collector price status. A similar extractor system is utilized by Charter Arms (Pitbull series) and by Korth. Difference: Charter wheel guns @$500; Korth, @$4000.
Thank you your show is all great but call you give me or some information on the 45 Gap
The topic was Revolver chamberings.
Thanks for the explanation!
Yes sir. Sweet. I would got my Kirst Konverters in 45 long colt if I woul lowed moon clips. Then had 3 /for/ 1. Got 45 acp. I like it. Black powder or 45 acp. Been nice have colt to.
I’m loving these videos! Keep it up!
Thank you!
hrrrmmm... No .45 Super?
i've been on a quest for a 230 grain .45 Super truncated cone...
The notion is to have a "anti vehicle borne bandit load" for my
"sweetened" (DPM recoil spring and +10% magazine springs)
Glock 30...
Chicago Metro area so vehicle borne banditry has been a REAL
concern over the last 40+ years... If not for familial obligations
I would've popped smoke and got off to Eastern TN. or South FL.
years ago.
Thumbs up... This was quite informative.
Great tip
thanks
Please do a video on moon clips.
I have some .45 ACP from WW2. They're steel case. I guess they were trying to save brass.
Are you sure about the 45 cowboy special in level actions?
How about the .455 Eley or Webley which there are thousands around the world. I personally own three with them being one Colt New Army and a Webley break top.
Like your videos and keep up the good work.