How To Unseize An Engine And/Or Piston Rings
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00:06 Finding Trouble Cylinders
00:49 Get Injectors Tested
01:25 Replace Sealing Copper Washers
01:55 Old Washers?
02:41 Removing The Mix
03:57 Replacing Injectors In A 4BT/6BT
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At 3:20 I said WD40 is water based, but I stand corrected. It's not water based at all. I don't use it often in the shop, I was going by what I was told years ago.
+DEBOSS GARAGE Good guy OP
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WD 1 THROUGH 39 BE USED!!!
It is based on fish oil. WD stands for Water displacement, so it will not cause or allow rust at all. It pushes water out of the spaces it occupies. It is a great product if used for what it was designed for. Like you, I would not use it in this application, but not for your stated reason. It is just that there are so many other products that do a better job for something like this.
The 50/50 ATF/acetone mix is a wonderful thing to have around in a few quart bottles. It is very handy and is a hellacious corrosion cracker, better even than the mighty Kroil, which also is amazing stuff. (Best thing you can do for a budding mechanic is introduce him to PB B'laster, and then when he starts to actually use it, turn him onto either Kroil or ATF/acetone. If you start with Kroil they will balk due to the price and how hard it can be to find, sometimes. If you start with the home-brew they will balk because they don't want to mix it up. PB B'laster will get them to see the benefits of using a good penetrating oil. Once they are sold the efforts to get or mix the two better oils becomes acceptable to them.
Great video. Thanks for posting it. I just wanted to chime in on the WD-40 thing. It is great to see that you made the correction. Still, I just *had* to stick my nose in here. Sorry! -- Wade
WD-40 is based on Stoddard Solvent which is light diesel almost jet fuel.
DEBOSS GARAGE - I was told that years ago too.
Got told not to spray into frozen-ceased locks because it's water based it'd feeze. Lol
How great is this guys voice!!?? Man I could listen to him teach me allll daaay looong! haha. Hey thanks for the video! I'll being attempting to unseize my first engine in a few weeks.
Morgan May Lady, I think it's better if you leave it to the professionals.
LOL
Meth is hella sprice bro talk it like you walk it 🙂
Ummm 🤔😬
A&P class, we learned to anneal the copper washer for the spark plugs by getting them red hot, then cool them quick to soften the copper to reuse them.
If you cool them rapidly does that not make them harder?
@@arbit3r with nonferous metals, it has the opposite effect. It makes the copper softer.
@@prancstaman good to know
Just like to state thank you for this. Out of ALL the other methods… this is what worked!
My old man used to use WD-40 on his sore joints like his elbows for instance. He swore by it and lived to be 86. Even brought a can of it with him when he visited us overseas.
What?
Was he by any chance a robot 🤖
I know a lot of old guys that did that.
are you sure that heating those copper washers isn't annealing them, making them soft and pliable and therefore seal better? Copper work hardens easily, that's why it breaks when you work it back and forth
You are correct sir, this is annealing. I heat the copper to a dull glow and let them cool, and Bob's your uncle!
Why use acetone ? If you kerosene and trans. 50 50 mix it normaly free up in day or 2.
I use Yamaha ring free and kerosene, let it sit for a week like he does and i rock the crank back and fourth gently at first then a little harder until the motor turns free, i never try and turn a stuck motor in one direction.
I work on nothing but marine engines so rush
So this formula will work on gas engines?
I know this is 4yrs old. But. I'm gonna try this to free up a vintage motorcycle engine thats been sitting for a long time in a barn. Awesome tip hope it gets this old engine freed up and spinning again
Did it work?
Sea foam deep creep is noted the way to go etc.
Great trick for the washers. I used that technique myself and I thought I'd rediscovered the wheel. 😅
I'll have to come back to this when me and my dad start working on the oldsmobile nine eighty diesel. He wants to swap the engine, but I want to try to save it without having to go through hard work of swapping it.
Even if you manage to get it going, they were junk from the beginning. That's why they stopped making them. Converting a gas motor to run diesel without major changes was a stupid GM idea
When near oil change time, ( 1 or 2 tanks of fuel) add a quart of non silicone atf to keep the engine clean and prevent stuck rings or lifters.
Any garage that uses Rotella is a garage you can trust!
If you live in an area with cold winters, so you can get 25F or below, pouring the mixture inside the cylinder when the car sat outside may work some better. Because of the cold, the piston will shrink and hopefully the rings will dislodge a little enough to let the fluid into it's groove.
will liquid nitrogen work
Lots of people use Marvel Mystery Oil for this
Random Acts of Video true but that stuff generally doesn’t work, hence the other concoctions like acetone and atf. Also a shit ton more of mixtures.
@@NitroGuyJH mavel has always seemed like cutting oil and atf to me. Which is what I use and great results too. Acetone only on beasts that have been in yard years and wanna eat through walls of carbon cake. But anyone doing this is at least doing something to fix problem. So great on yah for the attempts.
herewegofans I know he is making the attempt and that’s always a positive for sure. But in my experience with just plain mystery oil and or plain acetone I’ve never gotten any good results. I’ve freed up engines that were stuck real bad from sitting many years with marvel mystery oil soaking and just about every time if rust was the reason it was seized up it would smoke badly cause it was burning a ton of oil because the cylinder walls and piston was so badly scarred up from the rust.
@@NitroGuyJH I'm certainly am not discounting your knowledge here. I've been real lucky myself majority came through no issue after. I'm not shop and I set clean oil in pistons before long term storage so that helps two. But time or two needed to dope pistons with the snake oils to get things moving. Cutting oil being so fine is normal go to. Then atf if need to clean. I always move by hand both directions, and clean oil before attempting start. I throw supertech oils in when fixing and rotella when in service. But again, not better than next guy, only trying to keep em going.
herewegofans that’s the way to go. I say everyone should always put clean oil in each cylinder prior to long term storage. It helps a tremendous amount, I usually take an empty spray bottle and put a mixture of 3 parts engine oil and 1 part diesel fuel and mix thoroughly to spray every inch of the outside to help keep rust at very minimum. Works extremely well here in salt country lol. A couple of my mechanic friends use the desiccant method and it works for them really well too, they wrap the engine or put the metal parts in a heavy plastic bag and throw a couple baby diapers or use a couple of those big packages of silica gel beads in the bag with it. Definitely works if you don’t want to clean up an oily engine after a year or so lol
hahaha i did this with a 94 winchester a while ago thing opened right up and shoots pretty damn good
Apple Cider Vinegar for a week... Cleans the Ring Grooves also... Will leave the Engine unharmed and ready to run with an Oil change. Courtesy of a couple of guys that taught me about Hot Rodding... Leo Murphy #2 in Model A's & Salvatore DiMarco "Googs" #1 in Model A's..
OldSkool 55F100 how much apple cider vinegar do you put in each cylinder
Interesting you bring up WD40. I have '09 2.4L camry w/ almost 350,000 miles. It began burning oil real bad after 200k (likely due to faulty stuck rings that I was over the mileage to get recall repair for). The only thing I found that fixed the oil burning was shooting a can of WD40 into the intake manifold while it idled once every 2 or 3 weeks for 2 months. It slowly starts up again perhaps 50k later, but then I just inject another can of WD40 and it's fine again.
WES . with mileage as high as that I would kind of disagree with rings being stuck..You probably would not have enough compression to even run the thing at all,due to wear and clearances of both THE pistons(actually their rings) and cylinders...It is my 2 cents worth of really strong opinion that your problem is much more likely to be deposits of carbon within cylind. and fuel gunk over intake valves...Easiest way to prevent that is using higher octane fuel and driving reasonably but aggresively(with rpms over 4k and away from but closely to redline) for few minutes 2-3 times a week. Highway entry ramps are ideal place for it,IE. You can BANK ON those TWO cents.
You should use grease to stick washer to injector on installation and light coat of grease on injector.
The head is off our yanmar diesel. I feel we have an issue with one cylinder rings sticking. Should I just pour mixture into cylinders with the head off? I go see I can see if the mixture leaks down as well. Should we do all 4 cylinders or just the problem one. We ended with too muchdiesel in crankcase, whitish smoke and ultimately a runwaya(managed to stop it in 30 sec) I think it was due to diesel leaking down through piston 2 and rest out the exhaust. Had the inj3ctors fully rebuilt. Still some smoke and blowby
My engine got stuck after i turn it off on a parking spot drive it 1h in the morning everything fine park and no cranking after 5 minutes parked 5.4 3v vin 5 navigator 2007 😞😞
We have an old backhoe at work that won’t start. It’s been sitting for quite a long time and can’t get it to turn over. The exhaust flap was up a bit and we got an excessive amount of rain this summer so we’re worried that there’s no hope without completely rebuilding it
P0tat07 I have a cat dozer like this. I’ve just sucked water out of pistons via injector holes and poured acetone and atf in intake and also filled cylinders with same mix until both are full. But I’ve got Milky engine oil as well. Maybe I’ll pour same mix into valve cover to wash down and also lube valves from upper side. Fingers crossed. Think I may have to overhaul. How did yours turn out?
Hell yeah man thanks a lot for this. Now work on a 2000 and up Hyundai Sonata
Why you do compression test?
I dont know if this still works because coke might not have the same acid content but my grandfather used to take the head off and put the whole block with everything left in it throw it in coke for about a week and a half and it freed them cylinders up
3 rounds of 1 hr soaks...
A) b12 chemtool, dissolved 90% from piston grooves
B) b12 ChemDip...about 60%
C) marvel mystery...0%
This was same engine, adjacent cylinder, and maintaining a non soaked piston as a base.
All pistons and rings were removed upon completion of the soak, to test the results
The washers work harden - heat to cherry and quench in water.
car motor tried to and turned over before and sat more then a month waiting new parts
And if it has scored cylinder walls, well you'll find out when the oil cap goes POP lol!
Get the copper washers glowing red hot and then drop them into cold water, that gets them soft again.
Excessive smoke,rough idling, uneven exhaust port temps almost always 98% point to injectors 2% piston, valves, or other.
Hello, i have an issue and i found this video hoping to solve it. I am using the metric system so please bare with me . I owm a Kia Sorento , 2.5 CRDi ,2007, 170 hp, i got 200k km with it . I got massive crankcase gases and the oil dipstick is being pushed out. I ran a compression test and i got 31/31/35/20 bar. I was told that the issue comes from the compression piston ring from the 4th one . So this method can help me free up the ring or do i need to open the engine and change all the rings?
If you crank long enough on a new motor after it sat a few days. Can the rings lock up in the cylinder since it was not running trying to figure out timing on a gas motor
I'm convinced you and AvE are the same people
same
definitely not....
How long do you have to wait for the acetone and ATF transmission fluid to unseize the block
I have a chevy S10 4 cyl 1998, 100.000+ miles came out to start it one day and NOTHING, not even a click no movement at all, repair shop said they tried to unseize by hand but couldn't do it, can you help?
Great vid as usual Rich , but I wonder what kind of Douche-Canoe would give that one a thumbs down .
Can you tell me what kind of acetone to use? I see Solvable Acetone and Solvable Methyl Ethyl Ketone. This stuff is new to me and I have a Perkins engine I need unstuck. Can someone send me a link to the best product to use? Machine is 5 plus hours away so I wanna do it right the first time.
Will this reduce blowby ?
I have a 06 duramax it overheated and shut off if the motor is seized would you recommend this to unseize it?
Would this damage the head gasket if when pouring into the cylinder it reaches up to the head?
My jeep grand cherokee wont start it just makes a tick when i try to turn on the ignition. All warning lights turn on. What could i do?
WD 40 is water basted? Are u sure? WD stands for water displacement
Displacement*
White vinegar works great to free them up
Please explain the theory of acetone/atf.
ASPCOT atf is slippery and thin, acetone thins it even farther
Joe Fro Best penetrating oil solution yet. The acetone aids in penetration and the ATF adds lubrication. Helps separate anything corroded together.
I have a 97 Silverado with a 4.3 v6, and it was running without oil and now it won't kick over. How much of each part of the mixture do you use?
Can I use this method on gasoline motors or is this just for diesel engines
Any engine or anything rusted together
Ooh ok thanks man appreciate it
DEBOSS GARAGE what is the mixture? Half a gallon of each or a gallon of each?
is the acetone ATF mix safe for o2 sensors and cats? my 07 Silverado has suspected sticking piston rings and I'm going to try to free them up. first going to get the engine hot and while running, slowly introduce water to the intake manifold to try to steam clean them. then an upper engine cleaner. is this mix better than acdelco upper engine cleaner?
u think the injectors or the piston rings were making her smoke blue?
Does this formula work on gas engines?
You should try a product from the power sports industry its made by Yamaha and its called ring free
I have a Satoh Beaver tractor with a 2 cylinder KE70 Mitsubishi 0.7L diesel. Compression is low, my friend thinks it could be stuck rings and just said to put the ATF in there and didnt mention acetone. I see the theory behind it, but does he know something I dont and the acetone is bad for the 80s mitsubishi diesels in some way? Maybe ATF works ok, just takes longer? Great video, thanks.
Diluting the ATF with acetone is an old machinist's trick. The acetone works as a solvent carrier allowing much better penetration. ATF is an excellent detergent. You can use this same mixture to free stuck fasteners.
Great video.
What did you do to the engine after you unseized it?
Can that mix be used on gas engines?
I Anneal the injector washers the same way as I did my Norton's cylinder head gasket. In the stoves oven, first mom's then wife's :)
Hint: Don't let her find out. ;)
Fantastic engine!!!
Can you tell me the mixture you put in the cylinders please? Will this work with any car
yep. 50/50
Quick question: how long should I leave this mix in an engine that only has one cylinder with low compression? Is 5 days too much or not enough? Thanks!
5 days is fine!
I love this channel.
Question: if your engine is seized will the belt turn all the pulleys??
UA-cam Bitch Center if your seized it won’t turn at all
Downeast Wilderness Okay, I have a 2012 vw cc that ran fine the day before, I went to start it the next morning and it sounded like I had a weak battery and didn’t want to start. The belt and pulleys were all rotating and I got a red blinking " stop! Low oil pressure light refer to owners manual " also codes for multiple misfires. I changed plugs and coils and new battery and it would just keep trying to turn but wouldn’t start so I sent it to my friends shop and his mechanic said the engine was seized and they couldn’t turn it by hand so I had it towed to the VW dealership and they said going by the previous mechanics notes! That the engine was seized and they couldn’t get it to budge and that I needed a engine ( from the junkyard) and it would cost me 6,500 dollars to install it! So I’m on here looking for a way to unseize it! Oh yeah they said the timing chain must’ve stretched and jumped outta gear!?!
A little late to the game here, just seen the video. what are your thoughts on putting diesel in an old gas motor that has been sitting and is seized? As in pouring it down the spark plug holes. I was told that this and patience (3-4 days), then working it over by hand till its free was the way to go
Did you sort a problem? i mean did the piston rings get free?
The smoking and starting were better but still not 100%. At least he doesn't smoke out the neighborhood now. I just unseized the Fleetmaster convertible with this mix though. Broke free after 43 years of sitting
Great video my girl friend put bleach in my gas tank I drove it 3 blocks and it staled out. I thought it was a fuse or or out of gas it's a 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 with 56000 miles I tried starting it a few days later their was this loud sound from the starter so I thought it was the starter then she finally told me about the bleach. I took the plugs out and filled them with oil and tried freeing it up from the front pulley no luck do you have any suggestions I would greatly appreciate any help thank you.
You still together after that shit? Lol
That's what I'm saying 😂 best advice I got bro ditch the bitch, sorry.
Rich what do you do when all that doesnt work. Pull the motor apart hone and rering?
Yes, pull it apart
Piston 1 and 6 broke.Surprisingly no damage . Had my machine shop Honed the engine I rering new bearing good as new about 500$ . Bought the 01 ram qaudcab ram 4500 from South Carolina rust free. Couldn't be happier.
What was the song in the end?
I'm trying to replace my brake rotors but one of them is seized on there. I've tried PB Blaster and beating it with a hammer but it won't budge, and I've also tried heating it. Do you have any other recommendations?
Travis Grover, place the lug nuts on the studs so you don't damage them and beat it with good size hammer or sledge. You have to hit it like you mean it. Make sure the shoes are retracted all the way.
Rarely do rotors have shoes. Some rotors have a threaded hole or two in them that will allow you to remove them with a bolt or two. You can rent a 3 armed puller, or remove the hub and rotor assy, and have a shop press it off
Get some heavy duty nuts, washers and bolts and use the caliper bracket to push it out
How could a multiple piston engine run with one piston seized with un-seizing even being an option?
There should be serious damage. Cam shaft/lobe damage. Rod and/or valve damage. Something.
Since the other pistons are functioning and all.
Aren't they linked together in some fashion?
Am I wrong?
It kind of sounds like this car was having a valve seal issue which would cause fuel to improperly ignite, or fail to ignite which would cause the lower temperature discovered.
Genuine question. Not trying to be rude or dumb.
The Duder The rings were seized in one cylinder no longer giving a good deal between the piston and cylinder walls.
Oh!! So it was just the rings which were stuck while the piston was able to move?
Thank you for the input!
Dealing with a motorcycle engine. Ran great, stalled during a turn, tried starting it but the starter wound down to a stop, now the engine will not budge at all.
Absolutely no clue how it could seize like that. lol
how do I do this with the 24v?
Aerokroil penetrating lubricant penetrates .099999 of an inch
How do u file oil ring on a car
can you lock a motor when it is cold and the timing is off
If its an interference engine, yes (interference meaning the valves have a chance to hit the pistons if the timing is off)
um if the engine runs IT IS NOT SEIZED!
But the rings could be. That'd cause low compression and a bunch of smoke. Gotta unstick them.
That's what I'm saying lol, how does a seized motor make heat lol
If the rings are seized in the piston you lose compression and if you loose compression you won't have ignition. Without ignition no heat from that cylinder. Easy.
Engine seized means it wont crank. He only had a compression loss
@@Harley365 Due to SEIZED rings, just like the title suggests.
Thanks for posting this. I have a Toyota T100 with 3.4L v6 that sat for 3yrs. It was running when parked but now it has ZERO compression on all cylinders. Someone recommended me put a 1/4 qrt of ATF in all cylinders and let it soak because we think all the rings are stuck. The acetone/atf mixture sounds even more affective. I asked the person who recommended this to me, " why automatic transmission fluid" ....the answer I got made sense, atf has a lot more detergents than just marvel mystery oil and other oils that I have used in the past to do similar. So, you recommended a week? I had already tried soak marvel mystery oil in cylinders for 2-3 days with no luck. Before I do this, can you recommend anything else ? I desperately want to get this engine to where it will fire up again. Someone suggested using a very soft metal or plastic punch to tap on top of pistons to help free up the rings, to vibrate the pistons enough to let the rings spring open??? I am unsure about doing that. I mean, I would never pound on the piston but I do understand that a little jar or vibration could help unseize the rings but definitely don't want to bust or crack a piston either. It's the weirdest sound I have ever heard ( an engine with no compression). It sounds basically the same turning over with the plugs in or out, just a sound that I will recognize from here on out...lol. If you don't mind, let me know about the time to leave this mixture in the cylinders and anything else you may think of to help me with this issue. I really can't afford another engine right now and do have plenty of mechanical experience.....just never had an engine that after sitting has no compression at all. A first for me and need all the help I can get. Thanks
I think I have this issue with my Mini One R50 2002. I took out the starter motor but it seems fine. I will try the ATF fluid. How much are you supposed to add? I will put it in the spark plug hole.
@@pardeepchana674 most people are saying either 50:50 atf/acetone or 60:40.....it didn't work for me so I will be trying to find another engine
with the injectors out would you also check compression?
The video on the coffee table engine episode was brutal. Hope you come back from it, but that was a hard hard beating to take.
I saw myself in those mistakes. I do enjoy your work. thanks.
Love your videos! So informative
So did it work? WD40 makes a pretty good starting fluid from what I have been told. All the diesels I own or have owned since hearing that have had glow plugs, and since I like my heads attached and my headgaskets intact, I haven't personally tried it though.
crush washer like used on brakes.
Would this method/formula work for an old carbureted Chevy 454? I heard SeaFoam Deep Creep is good as well...?
that's what I was going to say wd40 is a water displasement it takes water out
acetone and ATF don't mix. They are like oil and water
So what happened?
Im having a problem with a Cummins. I was wonderimg if you could give me some tips.
It's like coitus errata if by the end of the video you don't see and hear that motor running....
Hey quick question I've done an engine swap on a 1.8turbo and imboiliser kicked in on ecu got rid the code off the ecu now the engine is locked in place will this work work on my engine the engine has not even been started for over a month
It did go to idle and then die straight away because of the ecu kicking in from the immobiliser thank you in advance
My car smoked and then shortly after, seized up. I don't have the money to get it repaired at a shop. It is a 2006 Pontiac G6. This is my first car I am not experienced with cars. How can I fix it myself?
Jessica Miller did you ever get it fixed?
where do i get that acetone atf mix from. ..?..mines locked due to riding in 4wd too long. .
MAURICE HILL BARBER EXTRADANAIRE you make it 50/50 buy acetone at lowes 20 a gal and a gallon of atf but you have to shake the shit out of it for it to work. the acetone is somewhat like a carrier it brings in the atf and evaporates so it needs to be well incorporated
MAURICE HILL BARBER EXTRADANAIRE
MAURICE HILL BARBER EXTRADANAIRE
mix it yourself
mix it yourself
Curry sauce works well down the cylinders as well.
does this work on any locked engine?
Its worth a shot!
Cummins stuff 💁🏻♂️
You put a heat thermometer on the exhaust manifold and saw which exhaust port was still cold, that's a great idea, but why does that mean a piston was stuck? The engine was running but one of the cylinders was stuck? Huh?
when the rings are seized on the piston it will not fire right or will have low compression. which will make it misfire and have less heat. he broke the piston rings free, not a piston frozen in a block yeah we kindof got clickbaited
I want a cheap way...
Oil cant be water based 👍
Make sure it's all oat lol
Lmao how does a sized engine make heat...
Yeah .... spray acetone out of the spark plug holes in a fine mist. Great for the paint!
FAIL
"spark plug holes" yea right...
Acetone is highly flamable, have a fire extinguisher nearby! Consider a light spray oil like pb blaster or liquid wrench, it will accomplish the same task
Smeargear.net would like to send you free mechanic gear.
Title is HOW TO UNSEIZE AN ENGINE... and he says this engine is running... what a waste of time... Looking to see a video of someone with a seized engine & then show what he does to UNSEIZE it. Thumbs down on this video
Ddc
Jesus dude, wear some gloves
wd 40 is junk