I've found that if you pay big money in China you get quality. Bought an expensive Chinese road bicycle and the guy asked me like 10 questions to make sure it would fit me before sending it out. And he offered to substitute a more expensive model because the one I wanted one was out of stock. Never got that service from any big name brand bike company. And the bike is surprisingly great quality and lasted so far.
China will build what you want, to the price point you want. The problem is most companies want the cheapest option, so we get the cheapest build quality
Not just big money, but it is a sliding scale, you want cheap you get cheap but there is also value some places charge a lot because some think more means better.
I'm watching this while in China on a business trip for a mining project we're doing. All the suppliers I have met and deal with are very hospitable and only want to make sure you get exactly what you want when you want it
Certainly something to see how the vehicles are set up around the world! Really couldnt have expected much from randomly showing up to a manufacturing plant like that, but with the inability to get contact with anyone it was worth the go at it.
Chinese manufacturers use the Cummins ISF 2.8 and 3.8 in a LOOOOOTTT of vehicles. Passenger vans, Pick up trucks, 6 ton GVW light trucks, mini buses, etc. used by various brands like Foton, Forland, King Long, Asiastar, Shacman, DongFeng, Huaxin, JoyLong, Higer... To cut the long story short... Almost any Chinese manufacturer of said vehicles. They're usually offered alongside their indigenous Weichai, Yunnei, and Yuchai engine options.
Foton have been around in Australia for a long time but up until the recent cosmetic update of all 4x4 pickups homologation of styles.....FOTON actually ran their own style unique style all along? I'm not pro Chinese, but I did find that their styling was much more sedate and it looked "not so Chinese" style.....LDV and Great Wall run massive integrated badging and branding on all their cars! It looks hideous and an almost autistic version of 1990s boy racer vibe to their style. So if I was going to buy a Chinese 4x4 pickup I would choose a FOTON purely because it's not Chinese puke 🤮 LDV were for a long time were pretty much rip off Toyota Hiaces. You could literally swap the emblem and grill and you could hardly tell the difference? Great Wall utes were pretty much a gay looking Mitsubishi Triton....exact same Triton motor and gearbox but Chinesified. Aussies would just replace everything with Mitsubishi parts as they were all interchangeable..... Then all of a sudden when China started to peak with industry and production and globalise it's own brands, that's when nearly all the Chinese manufacturers took a drastic side step from "mimicking" Western brands and going fully Chinese designed and styled? FOTON however (I think because of their North American partnerships and influences) have decided to maintain a more western (Japanese) styling to try maintain good sales in western markets (well that's what I believe?) In Australia we have have the Isuzu D-max and the resemblance I think looks more like the Dmax than Hilux? I have friends that bought a FOTON and i went with them when they picked it up. It appeared to be built pretty solid from appearances? The things I noted were old school simplicity and not overly tech filled like I was expecting from a Chinese vehicle? Solid wheels that had decent styling and for a standard wheel (I have worked at a custom wheel fabrication and restoration - I note these things) and it had a good track square track width and rubber filled the guards 👍 Every single other Chinese thing around had skinny cheese cutter wheels with tyres inches inside the arches. Basically useless meaning you were up for a set of wheels straight away as soon as you buy them? I told my friends that I was a still a bit dubious, but the price point couldn't beat it in comparison to even some of the poverty pack Japanese models especially considering the price of upgrading wheels and tyres on those as well? I'm a Mazda rotary enthusiast so you can take my autistic monologue with a grain of salt. I'm glad they went Cummins instead of Cat at the very least 👌 keeping this close to the heart makes for no conflicts of interest and less swearing during development (in my opinion). We all know they didn't really want to go with cat 😆
The gas/diesel hybrid with a big battery is what people need. Like toyota has done but in a van. Since most people can't afford housing anymore they can buy a van and live in it and have it be modular with the battery/diesel/solar.
BYD has been selling PHEVs for years. If you are in South America or Australia, you should be seeing their pick-up truck BYD Shark now. Unfortuantely they don't have large plug-in hybrid van for now.
What they did with the wires you'll see on nicer residential construction. Makes it easier to troubleshoot things. Also, instead of a massive hole going through each wall they drill the appropriate size hole for each wire so it's much easier to fill afterwards. It's one of those things that it doesn't matter. You'll never see it, but for the people who build it, it matters and you notice.
They have come a loooong way since I was in China in 1976. Back then the country was basically stuck in the 1800's. Very crude. It's sort of cool to see how far they have come in 50 years.
Well now looking back it, the mid-1970s was a watershed moment for China. They have already managed to build the industrial capability, albeit a crude one at a VERY high cost, that drastically differed from China of like the 1940s when it was largely agriculture not unlike the centuries before. They also had fostered an educated, motivated, reasonably (by 3rd-world standard) well taken care of workforce that was young at the time. What they lacked were the capital, up-to-date technology, modern management skills and a taste for the market. These began to pour in after 1979 and rest became history.
If you start looking up those companies in the brochure you´ll get surprised really quick. Bosch, Brose, Schaeffler, Mekra Lang, CITIC or KSM Castings, Valeo (who own FTE automotive) and the Foton base of Beijing Foton Daimler Automotive will make you stop wondering why every screw is marked. It not only looks like a Mercedes Sprinter, it is, just with a Cummins, Canadian seats and some sort of hybrid system judging by the VIE logo on there also developed somewhere else.
I truly love this concept! I have been an auto Nissan technician for over 33 years. I have been involved with the Nissan hybrid Altima and Pathfinder. They all used the same 4 cylinder or v6 coupled to a generator and battery pack. They weren’t ever efficient that I could see. But!!!!! Your concept of a small diesel coupled to a generator and battery pack with drive axle motor is a concept I thought of years ago. I’m in North West Arkansas and would be very interested in becoming an installer of the retrofit system at some point. I can’t wait to see how this all turns out! Great job taking this idea and working to make it happen.
They gave you good information. Caterpillar does business through our Dealer network instead of direct B2B or B2C sales. Btw, Perkins is also a Caterpillar company. I dont know as much about their distribution program, but I'm glad to see that you got the resources you needed!
Generix bought the 454 tooling, and turned it into a single rpm generator which runs on propane. Since they are running single speed. They should look at patent lapses.
sadly, tim hortons wanted cheaper beans and switched suppliers. if you want tim hortons coffee, sneak on over to mcdonalds. they are using tim hortons original supplier.
@quadruple_negative That's the Foton View. From what I remember it's a copy of a licensed copy of a 200 series Hiace van. And they're too offered with the 2.8 liter Cummins as well.
@@quadruple_negative Exactly what I said. The truck is a knock-off ford ranger, the big vans Mercedes Sprinter and the smaller ones Toyota Hiace. And we idiots even sell them parts for it..
@@LouisSubearth That's exactly the problem. There are licensed copies, but the majority are stolen. Actually a smarter move than just stealing because with the licensed copy you get all the tooling and don't have to do the reverse engineering yourself
Thanks for the video, very interesting content. You’re very brave or very foolish to travel halfway around the world to make a cold call like that, you have my admiration.
Their manufacturing is the best 💪 been dealing with them for over ten years, of course there are horror stories as anywhere right ? Personally I had problems to start but now trusted companies I work with there has been no issues 100%
I've been watching this series for a bit now and don't understand half of it but i enjoy watching still. You're fun to watch, keep up the great work. I hope everything works out for y'all and goes a smooth as possible.
I wanted to put the 2.8 in a Pontiac Solstice. I have the transmission adapter already to attach it to a GM automatic. While the Pontiac isn't a truck, a lot of what you're doing, I can borrow the engineering for my project. 😊
@@Talisman-tb6vwI had a very early Mallet LS7 powered solstice, if you want a diesel powered sports car get a Mercedes r129 SL and drop an om606 engine in it. I have a 1999 SL500 with the om606 making 600hp 700tq at the wheels with a stock bottom end om606 and almost all the parts needed for the swap are oem Mercedes parts available at salvage yards. A built om606 with forged rods and pistons 900hp is easily possible.
if you will have a problem with the emission check a additional propane injection into intake diesel engine. (if propane ends you still normally work on diesel only
Cat Boots are a subsidiary of wolverine, and only license the name from caterpillar. They are also terrible quality. Also just a really weird brand that leans into modern fashion shows really hard for some reason.
I buy the Cummins C8.3 from dongfeng cummins in china to replace the dead 8.3's in International trucks. There always great to deal with for engines and parts
I work on the subway trains in Toronto, and we route our wires like that, we actually use oak as the material around the wires clamping it with a steel plate on the other side so even if the wood were to break and be knocked out of place the wires will still be contained.
I used to do drafting design for a generator company. You can buy any brand of engine within north america pretty easily. They will even send you the 3d cad files
Awesome Video, Rich, love to see the Cummins 2.8. I got the old Cummins 4bt with the 4500 in it, it is a 92 S-10 4x4, now on the brakes, slow but satisfying.
I'm honestly quite surprised you guys had that much trouble getting in contact with a distributor for engines. I work for a company that builds generator sets and we never seem to have any issue getting from Kubota, John Deere and Perkins. And a few other brands but maybe it just depends on the space you're in.
How about a $20k unfinished interior for camper van conversion instead of a $30k passenger version. Fold out solar on the roof and unlimited fuel less adventures could be made.
I'm torn; I personally want nothing to do with Chinese anything, however I'm thrilled that you guys made the trip to China and found examples of what they're doing as well as opportunity to source engines. Well done. There's so much more I could say but I'll leave it at congratulations on ya.
@@lancewood1410 Now Apple and Samsung are no longer produced in China. The manufacturing that the Chinese are so proud of is just a cheap labor force for us Westerners.
We got engine from cummins china for our generator set previously and man the engine blocks kept cracking after 100++ hrs , but their support was great. They change all the blocks with new n good ones
Lately, I'm interested in those light to medium duty cab over trucks. They just seem like a better investment than a pickup if you want them to do work and transport things.
It is a big NO dealing with India. I was once introduced to an Indian's manufacturer by a mate in chennai. The negotiation went well in the pre purchase stage but the end product was a complete disaster. The boss literally said 'don't expect any sensible product with a peanut price'... wtf 😒
They are a quantum leap behind any western state when it comes to pollution and emissions controls. As well as many other aspects within their own society..
Showing our sales guys clips from these. They constantly defend when I complain I can't get a quote for a product advertised on a website within a week.
You could drive 8 and a half hours a day for almost a year, or if you are driving 24 hours a day, you would reach 108 days before warranty expiers. You would have to drive 28.88 hours a day for it to be 90days.@fastinradfordable
Some chinese made buses for New Zealand use cummins USA engines instead of cummins china because of the engine specifications. Even though the plants are not too far from each other, it is very interesting. They are a lot more sturdier and more trustworthy in comparison to their asian counterparts.
We use China as a sole supplier of cast stainless impellers fully machined at my work. They are SUBSTANTIALLY nicer than our US supplied bronze option we previously used as standard. There are great suppliers and bad suppliers in China.
Cummins 2.8 is in everything in South America too. Basic kit for medium duty a truck is Cummins engine with Eaton 6 speeds. The 2.8 engine with the final drives used here are not powerful enough, it is the “light” version of medium duty truck, soft and weak frame, rated for light loads of 2000kg at most The actual real work trucks use the 3.8 and can load up to 7000-7500kg safely maybe even more. what I dislike is the cable gear switching style these newer gearboxes use, a rigid tube is much better for driver feedback and it’s simpler too. getting back to Cummins on Chinese vehicles, they also are in most heavy duty machinery such as wheel loaders, excavators, motor graders, etc. the only Chinese things are the hoses, tires and frames. Only in very specific cases you see Chinese engines or hydraulics.
heard Cat have a section at bearing makers where they alter bearings to only fit their stuff.. Toyota used to make bearings slightly off so you cant get off the shelf stuff
Just throwing it out there, you can find used engines from a hyundai terracan (2.9l 4cyl turbo diesel, 150 or 168hp) for pretty cheap in Korea. Lots of small displacement diesel options in other countries anyways
The super duty definitely is the biggest opportunity for diesel electric hybrids. Everything is built well except for the motor 😂. If you can find a company that can build an electric motor that bolts into the front and rear axle housing, you would be golden!
@@DEBOSSGARAGEemissions for range extenders will be easier to pass because you 100% of the time operating at peak efficiency of the engine. cleanest range of engine. additional to that addiction of gas (methane/ propane) improve emissions substantially. If you certify the engine anyway it's worth to test it. even if you don't need it now, but making the engine ready for future standards. modern road certified installation with install in Poland costs ~$1200, port injection for each cylinder egt/knock control. and if propane is cheaper than substantial money savings. you will burn ~6L of propane and ~5L of diesel, instead of 10L of diesel only. and you still can run on diesel only.
2.8 is reliable without an egr, egr cooler, scr, or dpf, so in reality you don’t know how reliable it will be in Canada/USA with their emissions requirements?
the pICK-UP has some very similar panels and front end to the Toyota hilux revo THAT WAS SEEN IN EUROPE and that van is the older Sprinter 906/ NCV3, , if they are made as well. ??
Deboss contact the Perkins, Caterpillar engine facility in Griffin Ga. Buy from the North American market. They build the 2.2L diesel engine wich is emissions complaint.
Smaller diesel engines but Hatz makes some great diesel engines for generators that pass and actually exceed us emissions. Depending on the kw you’re looking for out of the engine they could be another option. Btw what kind of kw are you looking for out the diesel engine to generate?
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I've found that if you pay big money in China you get quality. Bought an expensive Chinese road bicycle and the guy asked me like 10 questions to make sure it would fit me before sending it out. And he offered to substitute a more expensive model because the one I wanted one was out of stock. Never got that service from any big name brand bike company. And the bike is surprisingly great quality and lasted so far.
China will build what you want, to the price point you want. The problem is most companies want the cheapest option, so we get the cheapest build quality
@@rstelly14Yup, China can build top tier stuff.
But they will cut corners that Western companies won't/can't if you want them to.
China builds almost everything, not surprised one bit
Not just big money, but it is a sliding scale, you want cheap you get cheap but there is also value some places charge a lot because some think more means better.
i dont support the ccp
I'm watching this while in China on a business trip for a mining project we're doing. All the suppliers I have met and deal with are very hospitable and only want to make sure you get exactly what you want when you want it
I bet you think the waitress is being nice because you're cute.
I lived there for 2 years importing jeeps into China. They are the coolest people and China is a great place.
@@user-er6vd7ty1eI bet you love jews. Being under ben shapiro is your dream come true
@@justingeturgun China is not as good as India
Yeah real patriotic huh
Certainly something to see how the vehicles are set up around the world! Really couldnt have expected much from randomly showing up to a manufacturing plant like that, but with the inability to get contact with anyone it was worth the go at it.
Chinese manufacturers use the Cummins ISF 2.8 and 3.8 in a LOOOOOTTT of vehicles.
Passenger vans, Pick up trucks, 6 ton GVW light trucks, mini buses, etc. used by various brands like Foton, Forland, King Long, Asiastar, Shacman, DongFeng, Huaxin, JoyLong, Higer... To cut the long story short... Almost any Chinese manufacturer of said vehicles.
They're usually offered alongside their indigenous Weichai, Yunnei, and Yuchai engine options.
Thanks for the info!
My experience with manufacturers in China were surprisingly efficient and good. I can say, without China's manufacturing capabilities I will be stuck.
Before I paid attention to the grill, I thought that Foton was a Toyota!
Was there a hole in the side of the motor? New Toyotas seem to be doing that.
@@kb9oak749 - think that was only a factory option on the V6's.
🤣😂
Foton have been around in Australia for a long time but up until the recent cosmetic update of all 4x4 pickups homologation of styles.....FOTON actually ran their own style unique style all along? I'm not pro Chinese, but I did find that their styling was much more sedate and it looked "not so Chinese" style.....LDV and Great Wall run massive integrated badging and branding on all their cars! It looks hideous and an almost autistic version of 1990s boy racer vibe to their style.
So if I was going to buy a Chinese 4x4 pickup I would choose a FOTON purely because it's not Chinese puke 🤮
LDV were for a long time were pretty much rip off Toyota Hiaces. You could literally swap the emblem and grill and you could hardly tell the difference? Great Wall utes were pretty much a gay looking Mitsubishi Triton....exact same Triton motor and gearbox but Chinesified. Aussies would just replace everything with Mitsubishi parts as they were all interchangeable..... Then all of a sudden when China started to peak with industry and production and globalise it's own brands, that's when nearly all the Chinese manufacturers took a drastic side step from "mimicking" Western brands and going fully Chinese designed and styled? FOTON however (I think because of their North American partnerships and influences) have decided to maintain a more western (Japanese) styling to try maintain good sales in western markets (well that's what I believe?)
In Australia we have have the Isuzu D-max and the resemblance I think looks more like the Dmax than Hilux?
I have friends that bought a FOTON and i went with them when they picked it up. It appeared to be built pretty solid from appearances? The things I noted were old school simplicity and not overly tech filled like I was expecting from a Chinese vehicle?
Solid wheels that had decent styling and for a standard wheel (I have worked at a custom wheel fabrication and restoration - I note these things) and it had a good track square track width and rubber filled the guards 👍
Every single other Chinese thing around had skinny cheese cutter wheels with tyres inches inside the arches. Basically useless meaning you were up for a set of wheels straight away as soon as you buy them?
I told my friends that I was a still a bit dubious, but the price point couldn't beat it in comparison to even some of the poverty pack Japanese models especially considering the price of upgrading wheels and tyres on those as well?
I'm a Mazda rotary enthusiast so you can take my autistic monologue with a grain of salt.
I'm glad they went Cummins instead of Cat at the very least 👌 keeping this close to the heart makes for no conflicts of interest and less swearing during development (in my opinion).
We all know they didn't really want to go with cat 😆
Ignore my rambling rubbish. I'm autistic AF. Please forgive me
The gas/diesel hybrid with a big battery is what people need. Like toyota has done but in a van. Since most people can't afford housing anymore they can buy a van and live in it and have it be modular with the battery/diesel/solar.
I wouldn't want a camper van with the equivalent of how many sticks of dynomite? I'll keep my diesel thank you very much.
BYD has been selling PHEVs for years. If you are in South America or Australia, you should be seeing their pick-up truck BYD Shark now.
Unfortuantely they don't have large plug-in hybrid van for now.
I lost it when you were talking about putting a duck back together! 😆😆😆😆😆😆
What they did with the wires you'll see on nicer residential construction. Makes it easier to troubleshoot things. Also, instead of a massive hole going through each wall they drill the appropriate size hole for each wire so it's much easier to fill afterwards.
It's one of those things that it doesn't matter. You'll never see it, but for the people who build it, it matters and you notice.
They have come a loooong way since I was in China in 1976. Back then the country was basically stuck in the 1800's. Very crude. It's sort of cool to see how far they have come in 50 years.
China has finally developed the ability to make ball point pens without the need for imported components.
Yeah, and it's fully funded by north America. They've learned everything about engineering from us and on our dollar.
@@RobJohn80no thank you for leader Xi?
Well now looking back it, the mid-1970s was a watershed moment for China. They have already managed to build the industrial capability, albeit a crude one at a VERY high cost, that drastically differed from China of like the 1940s when it was largely agriculture not unlike the centuries before. They also had fostered an educated, motivated, reasonably (by 3rd-world standard) well taken care of workforce that was young at the time. What they lacked were the capital, up-to-date technology, modern management skills and a taste for the market. These began to pour in after 1979 and rest became history.
Its incredible to think how far one can come when stealing is involved.
If you start looking up those companies in the brochure you´ll get surprised really quick. Bosch, Brose, Schaeffler, Mekra Lang, CITIC or KSM Castings, Valeo (who own FTE automotive) and the Foton base of Beijing Foton Daimler Automotive will make you stop wondering why every screw is marked. It not only looks like a Mercedes Sprinter, it is, just with a Cummins, Canadian seats and some sort of hybrid system judging by the VIE logo on there also developed somewhere else.
I truly love this concept! I have been an auto Nissan technician for over 33 years. I have been involved with the Nissan hybrid Altima and Pathfinder. They all used the same 4 cylinder or v6 coupled to a generator and battery pack. They weren’t ever efficient that I could see.
But!!!!! Your concept of a small diesel coupled to a generator and battery pack with drive axle motor is a concept I thought of years ago.
I’m in North West Arkansas and would be very interested in becoming an installer of the retrofit system at some point. I can’t wait to see how this all turns out! Great job taking this idea and working to make it happen.
what does a Chinese Caterpillar factory make ? ..... Silk ?
Cat builds most of their excavators in China
@@Sjanzoyou seem to have missed the entirety of the joke
@@jaydunbar7538😂
🤠 silk? Ha ha ha 🤠😆
(sigh) Im not proud that I got the joke. Maybe I just watch too many documentaries.
Those 14 seater vans would make great food or coffee carts too, having a power bank on board saves running a generator In certain applications I bet
They gave you good information. Caterpillar does business through our Dealer network instead of direct B2B or B2C sales.
Btw, Perkins is also a Caterpillar company. I dont know as much about their distribution program, but I'm glad to see that you got the resources you needed!
Generix bought the 454 tooling, and turned it into a single rpm generator which runs on propane. Since they are running single speed. They should look at patent lapses.
sadly, tim hortons wanted cheaper beans and switched suppliers. if you want tim hortons coffee, sneak on over to mcdonalds. they are using tim hortons original supplier.
Source? Cause if I tell people I read it under a UA-cam comment, I’ll get laughed at
Lol😂
@@jamescario2292im going down this rabbit hole
Tell people anyways😂😂😂@@jamescario2292
Common american W
That Foton truck is nearly an exact copy of the 2019 Ford Ranger.
When they were looking at the mini bus, the vans in the background looked an awful lot like a Toyota Hiace.
@quadruple_negative That's the Foton View. From what I remember it's a copy of a licensed copy of a 200 series Hiace van. And they're too offered with the 2.8 liter Cummins as well.
@@LouisSubearth Foton bought a bunch of Toyota IP many years ago.
@@quadruple_negative Exactly what I said. The truck is a knock-off ford ranger, the big vans Mercedes Sprinter and the smaller ones Toyota Hiace.
And we idiots even sell them parts for it..
@@LouisSubearth That's exactly the problem. There are licensed copies, but the majority are stolen.
Actually a smarter move than just stealing because with the licensed copy you get all the tooling and don't have to do the reverse engineering yourself
Thanks for the video, very interesting content. You’re very brave or very foolish to travel halfway around the world to make a cold call like that, you have my admiration.
Their manufacturing is the best 💪 been dealing with them for over ten years, of course there are horror stories as anywhere right ? Personally I had problems to start but now trusted companies I work with there has been no issues 100%
I've been watching this series for a bit now and don't understand half of it but i enjoy watching still. You're fun to watch, keep up the great work. I hope everything works out for y'all and goes a smooth as possible.
I wanted to put the 2.8 in a Pontiac Solstice. I have the transmission adapter already to attach it to a GM automatic. While the Pontiac isn't a truck, a lot of what you're doing, I can borrow the engineering for my project. 😊
A diesel sports car that’s an interesting concept!
@@liammaupin9492 , I already have a LS swapped Saturn Sky. I think the Solstice would be easier with the 2.8.
@@Talisman-tb6vwI had a very early Mallet LS7 powered solstice, if you want a diesel powered sports car get a Mercedes r129 SL and drop an om606 engine in it. I have a 1999 SL500 with the om606 making 600hp 700tq at the wheels with a stock bottom end om606 and almost all the parts needed for the swap are oem Mercedes parts available at salvage yards. A built om606 with forged rods and pistons 900hp is easily possible.
This is an amazing project you all are working on. I'm very excited for you and would be interested in doing conversions.
I can absolutely see you sitting in your hotel room that night putting together the duck puzzle with toothpicks.
Damn I wish they sold bags of duck hearts like that here in the US... sounds awesome
if you will have a problem with the emission check a additional propane injection into intake diesel engine. (if propane ends you still normally work on diesel only
Interesting idea!
Make the socks for Costco 😜 I say caterpillar boots are for people who sit in a cat all day
after 'cat' closed a profitable repair depot in London Ont. i refuse to support cat in any way
@@theorenhobartnobody cares…
Cat Boots are a subsidiary of wolverine, and only license the name from caterpillar. They are also terrible quality. Also just a really weird brand that leans into modern fashion shows really hard for some reason.
I buy the Cummins C8.3 from dongfeng cummins in china to replace the dead 8.3's in International trucks. There always great to deal with for engines and parts
This is absolutely amazing to see. Thank you for all that you do.
Lobster jerky doesn't sound terrible to me...🤠
I had squid jerky.
meat is meat
I work on the subway trains in Toronto, and we route our wires like that, we actually use oak as the material around the wires clamping it with a steel plate on the other side so even if the wood were to break and be knocked out of place the wires will still be contained.
I used to do drafting design for a generator company. You can buy any brand of engine within north america pretty easily. They will even send you the 3d cad files
Sooooo excited to see the prototypes finished! Still been attempting to source a truck for this build. Continuously looking
Awesome Video, Rich, love to see the Cummins 2.8. I got the old Cummins 4bt with the 4500 in it, it is a 92 S-10 4x4, now on the brakes, slow but satisfying.
I can see customers of those vans buying stock in Dynomat.
Great trip and looking forward to seeing the conversion work
I'm honestly quite surprised you guys had that much trouble getting in contact with a distributor for engines. I work for a company that builds generator sets and we never seem to have any issue getting from Kubota, John Deere and Perkins. And a few other brands but maybe it just depends on the space you're in.
Every man will go crazy or even cry when they see the first time of the high-speed rail fly by in front of them!
How about a $20k unfinished interior for camper van conversion instead of a $30k passenger version. Fold out solar on the roof and unlimited fuel less adventures could be made.
I'm torn; I personally want nothing to do with Chinese anything, however I'm thrilled that you guys made the trip to China and found examples of what they're doing as well as opportunity to source engines. Well done. There's so much more I could say but I'll leave it at congratulations on ya.
Nothing to do with Chinese anything? Try stop using your smartphone first :)
Typing from your Chinese made phone with boxers made in china 😂😂😂
And stop driving your car cuz they ALL contain Chinese electronics
@@lancewood1410 Now Apple and Samsung are no longer produced in China. The manufacturing that the Chinese are so proud of is just a cheap labor force for us Westerners.
I can't fault ya - it's an LG phone. Hope I didn't strike a nerve.
We got engine from cummins china for our generator set previously and man the engine blocks kept cracking after 100++ hrs , but their support was great. They change all the blocks with new n good ones
I lived in China Shanghai exactly. I worked doing international buying and shipping. You went about this alll wrong. I can give you some tips.
Curious what exactly should they have done different…
They have the flags ready..
Union Jack is upside down!!
Eyes of a hawk!
easier to do than Canadian flag upside down...which has been done in US lol
Great travelogue Rich et al. Great to see the pickup at the end too
Welcome to shanghai，im a Canadian living in this amazing City for 5 years，love it.
the Foton wiring management looks like standard marine electrical management, keep the wires separate for heat and RF purposes.
Great video 👍 Look's like deboss could be come the Canadian main distributor of Foton trucks and Vans 😊😊😊
Maybe they can help Foton score a factory to build them in Canada. 😊
Good work gentleman!
The Canadians showing up to the Chinese TH wearing plaid themselves lol
Lately, I'm interested in those light to medium duty cab over trucks. They just seem like a better investment than a pickup if you want them to do work and transport things.
These diesel to electric drive concepts are the cat's meow
This is awesome. I love what you’re doing!!!
just excellent content. walking up to factories and knocking the door? brilliant
I can't wait to watch this all come together . I am very excited about all of it .
I'm surprised they didn't send you to the Cat dealer in Shanghai, Li Shing Hong. They are the Mercedes dealer for Shanghai, too.
Nice video guys that was very interesting.
Iam from germany.
At 9:38 its true.
The same for germany.
They have not the mibdset like the chinies people and businesman.
Nice to see that
I bet when you get back to Canada and they watch this video they will kill the deal.
Like any country the quality gets better when you spend a bit more on whatever your buying they also make honda engines for honda (industrial engines)
If you want to meet with a lot of manufacturers you need to go to Canton Fair which is the largest or was the largest industrial trade show in China.
You Should come to Pune India, you can get Engine at cheaper rates for Cummins or John Deere or Mahindra or JCB what ever you need
😂😂 nobody wanna or should ever go india 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮
Just big mouth ! Talk ,talk ,talk !….
It is a big NO dealing with India. I was once introduced to an Indian's manufacturer by a mate in chennai. The negotiation went well in the pre purchase stage but the end product was a complete disaster. The boss literally said 'don't expect any sensible product with a peanut price'... wtf 😒
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This is Legend, couldn’t find a number so I flew across the world to knock at their door 🤣 👌
Its kinda hypocritical that the Chinese vehicles dont have to have EGR/DPF while we do when some of the most polluted areas are in china
They don't have emission standards. Western countries do. And western governments agreed to it
How's it hypocritical, we voluntarily regulate ourselves because we're the best.
They are a quantum leap behind any western state when it comes to pollution and emissions controls. As well as many other aspects within their own society..
Domestic market Chinese trucks have emission gear now.
@Marklin15 what about domestic market coal plants lol
Showing our sales guys clips from these. They constantly defend when I complain I can't get a quote for a product advertised on a website within a week.
have you looked into electric motors in the wheels? canoe has an electric platform using them. it might make front axel issue easier.
Wow this escalated quickly but dam way to go guys!!! Love the retrofit idea 💡 lets get it done!!
Great video guys 👍👍
You boys are now Canadian ambassador’s for Canada. “Take off eh “
..or "Tim off, eh"
The R2.8 Cummins has a 2 years/2,600 hour warranty from date of delivery.
That’s sad
That’s only 90 days of driving.
@@fastinradfordable if the engine is on all that time, yes just over 90.
slightly longer than an incandescent light bulb lol
You could drive 8 and a half hours a day for almost a year, or if you are driving 24 hours a day, you would reach 108 days before warranty expiers. You would have to drive 28.88 hours a day for it to be 90days.@fastinradfordable
When i bought my 2014 Ram 2500 Diesel mega cab it was all marked up with marker on it as well. Came from mexico.
Yea, when I was driving into monterrey about a year ago I saw a crap load of semi trucks loaded with white dodge 2500 driving towards the border
I heard all the mega cab diesel come from mexico.
@@stevefortune4315 so did my 2014 jeep wrangler, at least the body and frame. Welds 10 years later are rusty but look great, not complaining
I feel you guys may want to check out BYD shark in Mexico😊
That's would be dope 👌
Locomotives route the traction motor cables the same way in the same style mount.
Looking very interesting
I work at a caterpillar distribution center, and they take security EXTREMELY seriously, so it doesn't surprise me that you got denied.
What? You missed the duck toungue snacks!!!!
You might find that Cummins have a copyright lodged with customs preventing grey imports. Certainly the case in Australia.
Some chinese made buses for New Zealand use cummins USA engines instead of cummins china because of the engine specifications. Even though the plants are not too far from each other, it is very interesting. They are a lot more sturdier and more trustworthy in comparison to their asian counterparts.
Way to go guys , you make proud to be a Canadian . Thankyou 😊
We use China as a sole supplier of cast stainless impellers fully machined at my work. They are SUBSTANTIALLY nicer than our US supplied bronze option we previously used as standard. There are great suppliers and bad suppliers in China.
Cummins 2.8 is in everything in South America too. Basic kit for medium duty a truck is Cummins engine with Eaton 6 speeds. The 2.8 engine with the final drives used here are not powerful enough, it is the “light” version of medium duty truck, soft and weak frame, rated for light loads of 2000kg at most
The actual real work trucks use the 3.8 and can load up to 7000-7500kg safely maybe even more.
what I dislike is the cable gear switching style these newer gearboxes use, a rigid tube is much better for driver feedback and it’s simpler too.
getting back to Cummins on Chinese vehicles, they also are in most heavy duty machinery such as wheel loaders, excavators, motor graders, etc. the only Chinese things are the hoses, tires and frames. Only in very specific cases you see Chinese engines or hydraulics.
wonderful initiative and best of luck to you guys
heard Cat have a section at bearing makers where they alter bearings to only fit their stuff.. Toyota used to make bearings slightly off so you cant get off the shelf stuff
Can't wait for the kits!
Just throwing it out there, you can find used engines from a hyundai terracan (2.9l 4cyl turbo diesel, 150 or 168hp) for pretty cheap in Korea. Lots of small displacement diesel options in other countries anyways
Thank you for interesting and unbiased appraisal of Chinese manufacturing 👍
There are some interesting small turboshaft engines out there .
Ha! Where I worked most recently, they warned us about Chinese guys trying to get chummy at the gate.
Want a 2.8 Cummins ? Use a 2.8 Mercedes out of the jeep or sprinter.
@19:39, I don't think there are enough holes in the frame rails.
The super duty definitely is the biggest opportunity for diesel electric hybrids. Everything is built well except for the motor 😂. If you can find a company that can build an electric motor that bolts into the front and rear axle housing, you would be golden!
If I was having those meetings I would keep them as secret as possible.
I’m curious are you guys also trying to make a deal with CAT/Perkins for the power plants? Or is it strictly going to be Cummins?
Cummins is cheaper, but not emission legal for 2000 and newer
@@DEBOSSGARAGEemissions for range extenders will be easier to pass because you 100% of the time operating at peak efficiency of the engine. cleanest range of engine.
additional to that addiction of gas (methane/ propane) improve emissions substantially.
If you certify the engine anyway it's worth to test it. even if you don't need it now, but making the engine ready for future standards.
modern road certified installation with install in Poland costs ~$1200, port injection for each cylinder egt/knock control. and if propane is cheaper than substantial money savings.
you will burn ~6L of propane and ~5L of diesel, instead of 10L of diesel only.
and you still can run on diesel only.
hell yeah! first the boor video and then this!
The glock sticker on the land rover... gotta be stolen.
Hmm, stickers cannot be bought online? That was a Land Rover at a mechanics shop.
People have been known to do overland trips and sell their vehicles at the end of the trip.
Don't worry, local Chinese don't know what it's about, the ower must be back from US.
I like the city view of the brown/ grey haze lol oh China.....
Very exciting video. Keep up with your plans.
2.8 is reliable without an egr, egr cooler, scr, or dpf, so in reality you don’t know how reliable it will be in Canada/USA with their emissions requirements?
in range extender EGR is useless because it will be 100% of the time fully closed.
Your best vid yet
the pICK-UP has some very similar panels and front end to the Toyota hilux revo THAT WAS SEEN IN EUROPE and that van is the older Sprinter 906/ NCV3, , if they are made as well. ??
Deboss contact the Perkins, Caterpillar engine facility in Griffin Ga. Buy from the North American market. They build the 2.2L diesel engine wich is emissions complaint.
The 2.2 won't be big enough, but we will reach out to them
@@DEBOSSGARAGE I can help you out if you would like to speak to the operations, as I work at the facility.
Holy shit I can't believe that I see my hometown Wuxi here in this video...unexpected LOL
Smaller diesel engines but Hatz makes some great diesel engines for generators that pass and actually exceed us emissions. Depending on the kw you’re looking for out of the engine they could be another option.
Btw what kind of kw are you looking for out the diesel engine to generate?