Jesus Christ that Roz laughter was legitimately terrifying. I always pictured Roz coming out of the womb with a tenured engineering professorship and an inability to convey verbal tone, so him going full Joker on us then almost immediately returning to monotone was some truly Lynchian stuff.
As a zoomer, 9/11 for me was a vague notion of something bad going on on the TV, and being told to go in the basement and watch blues clues instead of going to pre-k, so pretty winner day for me. Then I lived my whole life in a police state, so I'm going to say that blues clues time wasn't really worth it.
My experience as a millennial in the US was confusion what the big deal was. My notion of war came from depictions of ww2 with the bombings of Britain and pearl harbor and such. I was under the impression that war was just 2 countries bombing each other until one of them said uncle basically. I genuinely couldn't quite get the idea that the US had just gotten used to fighting wars all over the world with no major direct consequences back home.
I have no memory of 9/11 because I was a toddler. But my parrents told me that I used to play "Plane flies into the america" with my legos for a few days after seeing it on TV.
That is true in most of the world, but there are two World Trade Centers from California that may carry the name within the US. The French governmemt and European Union as a whole is not amused by this fact.
My dad's friend was in the 2nd tower that got hit. He said that when they announced to head back upstairs, he was already halfway down the building, & decided to keep going cuz he was too lazy to go back up. He worked in one of the top floors - it saved his life
@@EmeraldLavigne If you're not immediately aware in real time of the danger of delayed collapse (which idiots still deny with the benefit of hindsight), then you might be more worried about people dying from crushing in a panicked mob.
Imagine the bait and switch if you just called this episode "9/11" and you spent 3 hours talking about the damage to the presidential palace during the coup of Salvador Allende
The episodes would be approaching "continual" length, but Alice has other podcasts to be on. Justin not doing anything on his personal channel would be another side effect, but that would not change much.
I work for a large pump manufacturer and I’m not exaggerating when I say we have a solid 75 years of drawings from 1900-1975ish that were stored in a closed in the shop so long that the shop flooded 3 separate times Over the years an no one noticed until 10 years ago when the solution was to just move all the cabinets 2 racks up with fork lifts so you literally have to take a forklift to get old documents now. Said documents are entirely covered in mold and rat feces with quite a few being entirely shredded by mice.
As someone who drafts up As Builts as a side gig, I can attest to the poor quality of old drawings, and even modern drawings. A thing to remember for those unaware, the as built drawings are corrected from initial plans based often upon the sketches of building contractors with limited drawing tools. So understanding the MS Paint like simple lines and shapes as complex diagrams (often without critical measurement or accurate locations) is a major part of the process. The state of the original plans can also be awful (As per those seen in this vid). The worst I came across was a rising conveyor system that fell or lifted to 2 different conveyors; this system had complex measuring and guard systems in place as well. The sole remaining diagram of this system was a scan of a bad photocopy; this drawing was difficult to read when clean let alone with copy degradation, basically had to redesign to system off photos then work back to fit the original drawing
Anyone flying the Confederate flag on private property should immediately be assumed to be in rebellion, and the army should be dispatched to quell them
Apparently the most popular confederate flag that people fly is the battle flag. That must mean they are currently declaring war on America and are in the middle of fighting so you legally have the right to engage them. At least someone on the internet told me this so it’s definitely true.
Does this mean that states that fly the confederate battle standand on public land should be considered to be in active rebellion and be put under martial law
Justin: "A second freeway has hit the towers!" This line damn near killed me. I was laughing so hard rum and coke shot out of my nose and I couldn't breathe
The best explanation of "what happened" I've ever seen wasn't anything made post 9/11, but an old black and white documentary made during the construction of the towers. In it they kept repeating and were very proud of their system of load bearing walls and how they allowed for more usable floor space. And it also made it obvious why removing essentially an entire side of the tower's _load bearing_ exterior structure and setting it on fire would cause, you know, problems. Really wish I could find that documentary - it was quite good, and (used to be?) on UA-cam.
The Citigroup building isn't quite the same scale as a potential WTC controlled demolition but it is still interesting to note that for those three months that there was virtually no other union welding done within hundreds of miles because all of them were in the Citigroup building 12-18 hours a day for three months. In the case of WTC, it wouldn't be the black suit ruling class with the skill and knowledge to rig a building to blow up it would be hundreds of blue collar workers or military demolitions experts. That's not a conspiracy that is compatible with basic logic let alone logistics.
0:00 - Why are we skipping the Tacoma Narrows Bridge? 1:34 - Introductions and 9/11 Is Funny Now 5:04 - Roz talks about a picture of Callowhill for three minutes. 8:58 - We start talking about the actual thing 17:00 - Alice starts Shia LaBeouf Part II, this time with Liam. 20:38 - Liam insults Baltimore, appropriately. 31:30 - We discover who we should really blame for 9/11. 36:26 - Discussion of how bad American construction in the 1960's was. 43:13 - "As-Built" vs. "As-Wished." 1:25:40 - Roz finds out about RBG 1:31:15 - What really really happened. Really. 1:48:19 - Roz shows us top of the line civil engineering FEA - 3-D folks! (COMSOL be damned.) 2:02:26 - We discover the Prime Directive of controlled demolition. 2:07:36 - WTYP discusses one of my previous supervisors. 2:09:20 - Did Plato's Cave have As-Builts? 2:27:29 - Citicorps - the best of the worst of Engineers of Record. 2:32:45 - Sean explains that Loose Change is a bad movie 2:35:46 - Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3 2:43:48 - Thermite started Pizzagate 2:44:20 - Se7en 2:52:40 - It's all holograms folks. 3:01:15 - Roz tries out for American Top Gear. 3:02:00 - SAFETY THIRD! - And done. Come on 24hr WTYPP!
Wanted to say, you got the acronym backwards for Ruth Bader Ginsberg. But I found the thought of a pile of RGB light strips being a supreme court justice quite funny (would probably do a better job not making the country worse than at least half of the current justices)
I'm a native New Yorker who was only in Kindergarten when this all happened. Looking at this atrocity from your usual irreverent style - particularly when dunking on conspiracy theorists - is actually really, really therapeutic in a weird way for me. I went in thinking I was going to hate it, and now it's honestly one of my favorites. It's helped me cope better when 9/11 comes around on the calendar again, in a great way. I just wanted to mention that. Thanks. :') May the 2,753 murdered in those towers rest in peace, and may the memory of their deaths never be abused to justify imperialist wars overseas again.
did you just dunk on the conspiracy theorists that believed Saddam had nuclear weapons?! You shouldn't be dunking them, they're from the mainstream media and you're meant to be supporting them.
@@robertely686 The mainstream media's incompetence doesn't automatically validate speculation (or just outright lies) from the tin-foil crowd. Stop grotesquely grandstanding on the graves thousands of dead people for attention.
I was starting high-school, I remember that day and that moment very well, definitely the best 9/11 I've had. Some were shocked others were celebrating and now every year we remember the date as "the good 9/11", lovely day, sadly followed by more imperialism by the US, Gringos just refuse to learn.
Same! I think that’s why 9/11 jokes are so popular - it’s a huge trauma (both the terror attacks themselves and the reduction of rights/atrocities that followed) and laughing about it helps some process that.
Also, just a little fun bit to add to the slide about the emergency response, that board on the left that says "Fire Command Post" is how the FDNY deployed units at the time. It's a part of the unit called "field comm" that my father once was deployed to as a Lieutenant. Field comm was, and still is, deployed to all fires greater than 3 alarms, in order to coordinate responses and become the central communication hub for those big fires, and, at that time consisted of a single lieutenant (the guy with the black helmet in that shot) with radios bandoliered across his chest, like a fucking cowboy, staring at a suitcase with a magnetic whiteboard on it. That magnetic whiteboard has drawers with numbered magnets for every single fire company in new york city on it, each about the size of a chiclet, that would be arranged to show the position of the fire companies at the scene. Now, on the inside of it, the lieutenant in charge would arrange the magnets on top of a picture of a "new law" tenement building, which was already pre drawn for the lieutenant using it, for any other type of building, the lieutenant would have to use a dry erase marker, or clip a piece of 8.5" x 11" paper to the inside in order to plan their means of attack. This Lieutenant, using this one whiteboard, was responsible for managing at the scene, 214 units, composed of 112 Engine companies, 58 Ladders, 5 Rescues, 7 Squads, 4 Fireboats, multiple Chiefs, and various other units. Compounding this is the fact that the change of tours, the "shift change" for the Fire Department happens at 9 am. So, many of these companies had double the number of firefighters they usually would have standing around, and seeing a fire like this, would just all go because firefighters basically just love doing this. This one guy, playing with his magnets, was the entire coordination between the chiefs, dispatch, OEM (the office of emergency management), the commissioner, and all of the firefighters on scene. They didn't get a laptop until a few years later I believe.
Also Christine Todd Whitman, head of the EPA during 9/11 lied about the air in Lower Manhattan being safe to breathe, and her reputation is being actively rehabilitated by the democrats for being an "Anti-Trump Republican." She should be in prison for the rest of her life. Fuck her.
I would not have wanted to be that lieutenant when the towers went down. Just think about he saw in all those little pieces on that whiteboard at that moment. Or don't.
I am now imagining a completely rigid WTC being hit by an airplane and toppling like a domino. Downside, everyone in the building still dies, but at least you can just set it upright again and have a perfectly fine building. I'm convinced. Expansion joints are the enemy.
just put in some seatbelts! make all the buildings it lands on also perfectly rigid, so they just kind of inelastically deflect it, so no one gets crushed, there's just a big metallic clang
Considering how much downplaying and pushback there is around COVID death totals and the recent protests, I realized that the death caused in 9/11 is not what resulted in the outrage, but rather the amount of property damage caused during it.
Ding ding ding! And even then, the amount of damage was infinitesimal compared on what we did, with one arm tied behind our back, to the wrong country. I don’t mean to downplay 9/11 or the pain of the many victims, but on an aggregate level...
I have to soft disagree. The amount of property damage didn't really mean as much as that, as intended, they struck at a symbol (of American capitalism) in a big, flashy way. Then, as we know, rather than trying to instill calm courage and solidarity, our government stood up and said what amounted to "EVERYBODY PANIC! (oh, and btw gimme your rights)" before giving them an enemy to attack (in an overreaction way) before the fight-or-flight response could settle down. As a counterpoint, we've had natural (and not so natural) disasters before and since that have done comperable amounts of property damage in big flashy ways that haven't caused us to take issues like climate change seriously yet, much less drone strike Exxon's corporate offices. As a side note, this makes the corporate media and Bush administration complicit in Al-Quaida's terrorism in a philosophically-interesting, accessory-after-the-fact way.
@@dynamicworlds1 climate change isnt a guy though. Like oh hurricanes? Tornados? We expect those to destroy stuff. Planes dont really get flown into buildings a lot. I mean idk that saying anyone thing is why 911 was treated so srsly is accurate anyway idk
I mean, that's kinda what 184 doses, over a period of time it makes the internal space of a structure larger without altering its exterior in any way so that kinda fits the bill.
My parents worked directly across the street in the BNY building. They were given instructions to stay at their desks. The reason both my parents are alive today is because my dad said "fuck that" and made my mom run.
Isn't it kind of cool that every single one of our ancestors had to basically also make their own version of that decision for any of us to be here in the first place? Mathematically improbable and overall kind of neat!
As built story. I was the Assistant Director of Security for s shopping mall built in the 60s and added on over the years. The I never saw the plans, I only knew how electrical, water, and Fiber was run because I looked for it myself or talked with Technicians who put it in. One day the newly hired fire system inspection company came to test a building that was recently renovated the year prior. They were given the 1st revision plans made 1 year before construction, so they were a little off. Luckily I had been there for the whole renovation so I took one look and realized how bad they were. At least 3 walls hadn't been built that were on the plan, and several smoke detectors were not installed because the building was grandfathered in, so they didn't need to add them. Suffice it to say I spent more time helping contractors understand the building then run a security department some days.
as an anecdote, i am gen z and every single year in september we watched an excruiatingly long documentary on 9/11. sometimes multiple times for several difference classes. my senior year (2015) was the first year i didnt have to sit through two hours of empathy drainage for something that happened when i was 5. its on a similar level of the holocaust in terms of how its taught. my teachers would comment on how each year less and less students would remember where they were when the buildings fell. every class past mine wont remember at all. its history to us. intangible, nothing was lost for me, all ive known is the aftermath of it. the hyperviolence and militarization and ultranationalism and troop praising. the unintended side effect of drilling it into our heads as kids is that none of us care. burnt out of too many documentaries of burnt paper and falling people
sameeeeeee i was literally 2 when it happened and every fucking year at least two classes would make us watch 9/11 stuff none of us gen z have ever even lived in a world where there wasn't the endless security theater patriot act war on terror forever war nsa hell world and we don't even truly realize it because it's all we know because of something that happened before most of us were even in kindergarten
Even in the Netherlands you had the nerd channels like Discovery and National Geographic (before they became "whats me ear money, dramatized"). Every week of 9/11. Whole week of just repeating the same documentaries. 2015 it was still going I think.
My Mom made my brother and I watch the one 9/11 documentary that was filmed by a couple of French guys (who were mostly there to make a boring documentary about the WTC itself) one year. She and my Dad are so fucking traumatized from it. We used to live in Jersey City and my Dad used to work in the World Financial Center. I don’t blame them for trying to make us remember. I just wish that it didn’t become a reason for the US to practice even more imperialism. (And of course not do shit for any of the first responders afterwards, from what I’ve heard)
I’m the high school class of 2020, and every year like clockwork at least on of my teachers would come to the revelation that we were the first class to be born after 9/11, cue comment about “I can’t believe it’s been so long that kids who were born after are old enough to ____” So much of my life and my peers lives has been defined by something we were absent for.
My mother was one of the people told to go back to work in the second tower when the first one got hit. One of her coworkers was at risk of going into a diabetic coma from what happened, so she was able to get past the authorities telling her to return to work by saying she needed to get her coworker medical attention. On the way down the stairs, they heard the second plane hit. I'm very lucky to still have her today. Fuck those monsters.
When I worked in gas utility, a hereditary line worker described the process of as-built through probably the Eighties as such: linemen would work eight hours or whatever every day installing pipe, get off the job, head to the bar, have a few drinks and start filling in as-built documentation there. I have not seen anything to doubt this.
"A Second Freeway have hit the tower" Worth it. That was hilarious. Given that 9/11 has basically wrecked our country, I don't care anymore. Laughing is the only thing that is keeping us sane.
9/11 has not wrecked out country, but it did distract us from the real and growing threat (both internal and external) until its nearly too late: Communist China
I've done two courses on managing major incidents in the past three years. 9/11 comes up as how not to coordinate a response in both. The commanders of each emergency service set up in a different area and did not communicate. The best example of a planned response comes from a British-born security consultant, Rick Rescorla, who evacuated all of his company from the tower, against orders from the authorities, himself being the only casualty when he re-entered to save more.
the freeway hitting the tower joke reminded me of "no one was prepared for terrorists flying two buildings into the sides of planes. no one was killed, but a lot of people were surprised"
I was 6 when this happened. The next day I made a lego model of the towers and flew a toy plane into them. I didn't quite understand at the time why I got in so much trouble.
Co-op City native here--can confirm that they cheaped out on the concrete due to *friends of friends* not being cut in. The garage building across from where I grew up (Bellamy Loop) had to be rebuilt in the 2000s after it started crumbling and the street constantly grows a bubble because it was built on a large estuary lol. Also my playareas and the green spaces were obliterated during the 90s because all the pipes were rotting and had to be replaced. The green spaces have only been fully restored in the last five years, but they've done a nice job. My grandparents (one of whom was a labor organizer) were some of many who helped organize the rent strike. Co-op remains a bastion of largely Black and Latinx union households and I will love it forever. Solidarity!
If you guys had done nothing else of value in this series of podcasts, the explanation of architectural as-builts from 2:10:13 to 2:11:56 would still have justified the entire effort. "...scanned, saved as a low-resolution .pdf..." The large-format scanner can actually scan to 300 dpi or better. But the default setting is 150 dpi monochrome bitmap, and the person doing the scanning would have to poke through two or three screens to reset it so anybody can actually read any of the numbers in the .pdf, and you can explain how to do this to that person a hundred times, but all your scans are coming out at 150 dpi anyway. "...Contractors are given these designs and then throw them out..." as part of the 1.3 GB .zip file containing 9,400 files and subdirectories, supplied to the surveyor the night before his crew is supposed to tight-stake the grid lines. "...and work from actual field conditions, requesting change orders as needed..." Then contractors receive copies of these change orders, which they never circulate either to the surveyors laying out forms or to the guys nailing the forms together. "...and cursing design professionals all the while..." which is the advantage to working late. Everyone else has gone home, you're all alone in the office. At a certain point your hands are shaking too much to point the mouse, but you don't have to hold it in. You can yell until you're hoarse. Then your hands shake less for a while. "...Once the work is substantially complete, design professionals return to survey the work completed..." Field crews are sent to survey the completed work, which has been buried or walled in or is in some other way inaccessible. "...and create a new set of as-builts, based on the original photocopied set..." and a great deal of creative imagination. "...and the cycle continues..." the next guy's gonna get a 2.4 GB .zip file.
Thank you for taking the time to write this out, between your info on the agony and ecstasy of designs and Sean’s call to abolish rebar, I’m really learning here
My favorite part of this show (and this episode did not disappoint) is the long, drawn-out, super awkward endings, where no one knows quite how to end the show - I get real teen-lovers-on-the-phone vibes “you hang up” “no you hang up” “no you hang up! ... ... did you hang up?” “...no”
I once saw someone argue that 9/11 couldn't've been done by planes because steel beats aluminium like the plane would've met the building and just forcefield disintegrated on its surface without doing any damage whatsoever
Look up the world trade centre in Edmonton, Canada. It's adorable. Its got a handful of offices, a small "convention centre" with a max capacity of 120, and a steak house on the ground floor. A local guy wrote a shitty novel 'reimagining' if 9/11 had happened to Edmontons WTC instead. Which is laughable, since all the surrounding buildings are taller you'd effectively need to fly straight down to actually hit it.
Pausing the video an hour in to add a footnote to Alice's explanation of Anti-Conmunist mobilization in Afghanistan: don't forget the opium. The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan marked a turning point by which at the end something like 90% of the economy of the country post-war, through the wiley antics of the Mujahaddin would be based on opium production for Pakistani heroin. OK, continue.
@@EmeraldLavigne Kinda-sorta. Immediately post-war they were responsible for ramping it up as they seized power, as it was a useful way to consolidate their grip. Prior to the rise of the Taliban, Afghanistan had one of the most diverse agricultural economies and was relatively drought resistance because there was a traditional reliance on nut trees when a regular drought swept through and they couldn't do normal farming things. But the Taliban went through and cut down those trees and forced people to grow opium, which they sold on the black market to but food to sell back to the people. But once the Taliban was pretty much finished consolidating themselves they offered to end their opium industry to receive American recognition and funding and was even talking about western economic investment from multi-nationals. Under the UN they reduced their opium production significantly, but not totally and to try and bring back the old farming. Of course the US didn't care and we bombed them out of existence anyways and opium production rebounded.
Aaron MK they were running a dictatorship which harbored international mass murdering terrorists, and it happens to be the crossroads of Asia, positioned perfectly to check Iranian, Russian and Chinese influence. Invading Afghanistan was not a mistake, invading Iraq was a big mistake
@@EmeraldLavigne Alcohol and narcotics use in Islam can get complicated. From Alice's casual drinking as she admits and is shared by Muslims in Central Asia and the Tuareg Berbers of North-Western Africa. Opium consumption is no different, and while different interpretations of Islam may crack down harder than others, so can they be more liberal depending on conditions or cultural factors. For instance: opium has been long a cultural drug of choice in Iranian/Persian society for millenia and even after their conversion to Islam has been a major component in Iranian society. According at least to the book Politics of Heroin (a very comprehensive overview of opium and Heroin at least so far as the CIA was involved) one of the things the Islamic Republic of Iran did not ban when it came to power was opium consumption, which had been previously illegalized by the Shah over concerns on the effect opium had on the quality of his soldiers. Otherwise opium was consumed very openly in Iran and Iran was the last country to run an official state monopoly. If you were even a guest of a Persian aristocrat it was very common to be offered to join in smoking and they had pipes set aside for guests. Things currently seem to have changed in Iran again though in regards to opium and the state K guess has started cracking down in the past decade or so. But for a long time the West could be willfully ignorant or Afghan production because Iran absorbed much of it. On a similar note, and not as severe as opium: I knew an Egyptian who explained to me how the current Egyptian government is pretty chill with and I think even legalized marijuana. It's one of the cash crops farmers now are allowed to cultivate a little but of now because they are otherwise obligated to grow according to state mandate. Before hand during the swinging free market period of the Mubarak "government" they only ever just grew cotton and Egypt was not good independent. So, different strokes. I think also hashish filled niche too left behind by not being allowed to consume alcohol since I'm thinking about it. But all I'm really just reminded of is an essay I heard exists by Walter Benjamin about it and is supposedly such a good essay on hashish it's gotten people on it, or back on it.
On a bridge over a motorway (the English freeway equivalent) where I live, someone tried to paint "9/11 was an inside job". But, I guess 'cos they had to hang over the side and do it upside-down, they wrote "e111 was an inside job". E111 is a food colouring commonly used in orange flavoured sweets and controversial for its alleged hyperactivity affect on small children.
Norwegian here, we are not a social democracy because of the oil. We had a massive ML movement here after the war but the capital owners gave us social democracy so that we wouldnt have a revolution. But the oil made it so the social democracy worked longer. Now we are the biggest capitalist :(
@@mattwilliams6500 Yep, a good example right now is the liberal Swedish government's recent roll-back of union protections in the workplace, some pretty nasty precedents are being set for future regressive moves
Basically Scandinavia is 5 people living on natural wealth so vast that it might as well be unlimited, and lecturing the rest of the world on how it's easy to do and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps too.
my dad’s a firefighter, retiring this year. firefighters truly are a universal good, everything they do is in service of the community. he actually was a 9/11 (2nd responder i guess?) bc they bussed in firefighters from NJ (where im from) to man the stations in the city bc every single NYFD firefighter was responding. crazy shit. AFAW
The engineering angle is fascinating -- it somehow hadn't occurred to me a building built in the early 70s miiiight not be built to the highest possible standards even though they looked cool. That see-through sunset photo showing the tube design was an eye opener. And then all your rants about how the Iraq war and so much awful has come from the US response... it's painful but reassuring to hear sanity. Somewhere on the internet I have a similar rant I posted in 2006. It's been a loooooong 20 years.
My company had a project for work on the Florence Alabama Tennessee River dam and the as-builts were about as good as what Justin showed. The cursing and cussing from all of our structural engineers lasted for two weeks
The other problem with As-built drawings is when some other project came along after and modified the installation but you can’t find their drawings or nobody knows the other project happened; combo detective work and reverse engineering to figure out what and who and why
I oddly didn't have that reaction. I immediately took a breath and started thinking about what this all means strategically. I reminded myself that wishing harm on others harms me, and other vaguely Wiccan ideas. I was very good. Then yesterday I learned one of my senators has it and I let out a hearty guffaw. Guess I'm going to hell, but damn it's nice to see them get comeuppance they can't BS their way out of.
@@Rolan7196 my god that is so boring, I can’t believe you would take that peace and love bullshit with people who would have you publicly executed in their ideal world.
@@Rolan7196 I wouldn't even laugh if one of the lefty governors who caused so many of the deaths by cramming young people with rona in the nursing homes with grandma got it.
@@FalconOfStorms "Cramming young people with rona in the nursing homes with grandma" What do you mean by this? And is your phrasing not supposed to be funny?
"As Built documents display for all to see our lack of knowledge of our own creations! And as such, to hide our shame, we usually store them in a rusty filing cabinet..." Roz absolutely on fire here in the best of ways
We need a follow-up on the replacement building. As someone who toured 1WTC slightly before it finished it cannot be stressed enough how absurdly overbuilt that building is. The guide bragged to us that the building was designed to be "747 proof" (the implication was that it was for real this time). Its literally the "Why don't the build the entire thing out of the black box?" Joke Alice always makes but for real.
I come back to this episode literally just to listen to Justin's manic laughing fit. It feels so cathartic to acknowledge the absurdity of this shit amid how much it fucking sucks.
2:53:57 If I remember correctly, from Bin Laden's writings it seems like his original goal was actually the opposite. He though a large scale terrorist attack would lead to America withdrawing it's troops from the Islamic World. So he didn't achieve what he set out to, but neither did anyone else in the aftermath of 9/11.
@@joshuahadamsYamamoto did warn that America would be sent reeling for about a year, and afterward Japan had better be ready to defend itself from the greatest military power on earth.
My aunt was a first responder, her one good trait, because now still votes for the people who screw her out of healthcare she deserves for the work she did. Then defends that. blows my fucking mind.
All buildings must be made completely of metal so that us Welders have a construction monopoly. Metal sidewalks, metal roads, metal trees, metal dogs, metal music, shit weld everything.
Jesus Christ. To think that some people have been waterboarded on more occasions in their life than I have gone swimming. I mean I haven't gone swimming much, but still.
The thing about that list of "architects and engineers" who have questions about 9/11 is that there are actually very few credentialed architects and engineers on that list. Even among their vetted signatories, they are usually people who have never worked on a high-rise building, or they simply aren't in the civil engineering field. And the wider petition allows anyone to sign it from the website, all you need is an email address. This is a very old rhetorical trick for conspiracy theorists. Creationists do this all the time, producing lists of hundreds of "biologists" (many of whom turn out to be dentists) who reject the evolutionary model of human origins. It's all so they can trick people into thinking they represent honest intellectual inquiry.
It being an "inside job" has nothing to do with structural engineering tho. I don't get the focus on how they fell. There's dozens of financial and criminal incentives to bring the towers down. The towers were scheduled for ridiculously expensive asbestos removal soon after they fell, and insurance was upped on the towers just before the attack. A few terrorists didn't organize a nationwide attack alone. It took a sizable concerted effort to plan and accomplish, obviously. The only question is 'why'
So, the World Trade Center title is like the corporate version of a Basilica. Edit: technically, someone who dies on the High Holy Days is considered a Tzaddik, or a righteous person. It doesn’t make them a saint, but it does mean that there virtues outweigh their iniquities. So that means that when I, a religious Jew, am brought into the bosom of Abraham I’m going to see Ruth Bader Ginsburg being given the stink eye by Theodor Adorno and Rose Cohen from opposite sides of the banquet table of Hashem.
Jen Proctor now I’m just wondering who would try to break the tensions, Miriam? Serach? Edit: it would also be more awkward because I would want to ask the Rambam to sign my copy of Maimonides: Essential Jewish Faith and Ethics, but can’t think of any proper way to put that in the conversation
screwsinabell Eeeeh, I’m not really sure about the details, but I thinks it’s more of confirming someone is a Tzaddik rather than make them a Tzaddik. Like, there are plenty of Tzaddik who don’t die on the high holy days, and plenty of regular people who do. I know I said it isn’t ‘Jewish Sainthood’ but’s it’s kind of like exhuming that really nice old Catholic lady who passed away years ago and seeing that she hasn’t decomposed at all. Though it should also be known that Judaism as a religion isn’t really focused on the afterlife, so there isn’t a lot of detail and it’s mostly left up for interpretation.
@@dylanchouinard6141 Miriam Hanavia is an elder sister so if she isn't breaking tensions it's because she's busy physically holding Hillel and Shammai off each other.
I had an intensely painful ear infection the first time I watched this episode to the point that I was basically in a semiconscious state but I remember clearly that when Roz learned about RBG and had his fucjing joker moment I had a fucjing lucid experience and was laughed so hard that, for a moment, I forgot I was in pain. When I settled down the pain came back tenfold. I didn’t finish that episode that day.
Thank you all for actually having a reasoned, logical, and factual discussion about 9/11. I had just started engineering school when it happened, and our Materials and Manufacturing class had covered tensile strength, deformation, and the many phases of steel, just that Monday. I was fascinating, if not sad, to see that education demonstrated to the real world. The next class we discussed what happened, what was likely the cause, and how the "test" that people were already claiming had occurred had no likelihood of being accurate or of any bearing on what actually happened. One note about WTC 7, it was reported that it contained a large cache of Diesel Fuel for a backup generator for the Con-Ed station, and to power the complex during a power outage. That was reported to have been a contributing factor to why the fire burned so long and so hot. I appreciate the background on Co-Op city and the downright criminal construction practices in NYC at the time. I don't think most people thought of those things, or would even factor in that shitty contractors could have been a factor in a building's favor. I also recall it being reported after 9/11 that the original design for WTC1 and WTC2 did call for concrete in the core, but that was changed during construction. I wonder if it even matters, if they concrete would have provided enough extra strength to the buildings. Again, great episode, and great show.
My dad once came back from a business trip to Austria. After talking to him about Austria, I ended by saying "anything else?" He paused, shrugged and matter-of-factly observed: "Square heads."
A lot of people don't get that fireproofing isnt permanently resistant to fire. It still can burn or smoulder, it just doesnt burn on its own (ideally). Once the fire has burnt long enough the fireproofing just crumbles and turns to ash regardless.
yeah it was a reference to, iirc, the official trump merch store selling collector's trump baseballs or something for 88 dollars as an Incredibly Obvious Dogwhistle
That comment reminds me of a _Thunderbirds_ episode where a guy was blackmailed into doing some industrial espionage with a bomb collar on his wrist, and instructed to leave the bomb in the old paper archives once he's made the transfer. Cue a giant explosion and conflagration. Luckily it's the nighttime so the only people that have to be rescued by International Rescue supertech are in the elevator shaft. Good episode. TLDR: Tower fires are hell on earth.
The only reason I remember that it was on a Tuesday is because Battlebots was on the same night, and after getting home from school I was wondering if it would affect the episode.
I remember the death of Princess Diana being a founding cause of my anti monarchy leanings because they cancelled all the cartoons that day to show endless footage of it.
Roz blew my eardrums out while ordering food and I ripped my headphones out frantically. Then the cashier asked if I was alright, I blame Roz for my embarrassment at the local Burger King.
Conspiracy theories are funny. The blow outs of the windows while the building falls could be explained by a 5th grader. We all know heat rises. But it can't rise when hundreds of tons are falling down into it. The weight and pressure are too great, so the heat and gases are pressed downward, where they look for another escape, the windows. That's why you see explosions coming out of the windows. The people on those floors were probably killed by the pressure of the heat and gases before the concrete and steel even reached them.
I came for an episode about jet fuel and steel beams and stayed for a history lesson about lower Manhattan. I am not mad about it. Thanks to the guest for his knowledge.
Very disappointed in this podcast, very disrespectful. My uncle died in the 9/11 attacks and you’re just dancing all over his memory with your jokes. RIP in peace Uncle Atta
Jesus Christ that Roz laughter was legitimately terrifying. I always pictured Roz coming out of the womb with a tenured engineering professorship and an inability to convey verbal tone, so him going full Joker on us then almost immediately returning to monotone was some truly Lynchian stuff.
roughly what time code?
Holy shit, that was Roz?!
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1:25:50
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He just went full Light Yagami at the end of death note there.
As a zoomer, 9/11 for me was a vague notion of something bad going on on the TV, and being told to go in the basement and watch blues clues instead of going to pre-k, so pretty winner day for me. Then I lived my whole life in a police state, so I'm going to say that blues clues time wasn't really worth it.
as a zoomer too, I have no memories of it...I am told things that happened but it might as well have been ancient history for me.
My experience as a millennial in the US was confusion what the big deal was. My notion of war came from depictions of ww2 with the bombings of Britain and pearl harbor and such. I was under the impression that war was just 2 countries bombing each other until one of them said uncle basically. I genuinely couldn't quite get the idea that the US had just gotten used to fighting wars all over the world with no major direct consequences back home.
I have no memory of 9/11 because I was a toddler. But my parrents told me that I used to play "Plane flies into the america" with my legos for a few days after seeing it on TV.
@@Persimontree Based Emelie?
Real shit, I was 5 and I was just mad because mum’s flight was grounded and she got stuck in the US
You can't call it World Trade Center unless it comes from the World region of France. Otherwise it is just sparkling trade center.
So that means every World’s Fair outside of world is a Sparkling Fair?
That is true in most of the world, but there are two World Trade Centers from California that may carry the name within the US. The French governmemt and European Union as a whole is not amused by this fact.
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*world trade centre
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My dad's friend was in the 2nd tower that got hit. He said that when they announced to head back upstairs, he was already halfway down the building, & decided to keep going cuz he was too lazy to go back up. He worked in one of the top floors - it saved his life
Just shows to sometimes trust your instincts and not listen to commands without proper thought, I'm glad he lived!
lol fuck the system smh
@@EmeraldLavigne If you're not immediately aware in real time of the danger of delayed collapse (which idiots still deny with the benefit of hindsight), then you might be more worried about people dying from crushing in a panicked mob.
Johnny Carcinogen Because it was the South Tower that they told people to go back up when basically nobody even had any idea what was happening yet
@@TheRealE.B. If you're worried about a crush, you still probably don't want people going up, because two-way traffic is bad for crushes
"We'll have a QAnon senator before we have a Social Democratic one."
I was unaware Roz was a freaking seer.
Ouch
@@8BLOO8 very ouch. its ok... ohio... isnt real?
he's such a talented seer that he underestimates his own prophecies - he was only expecting the one
@@shoulderBirbI fucking wish it wasn't real, this place is political hell.
666th like lol
Imagine the bait and switch if you just called this episode "9/11" and you spent 3 hours talking about the damage to the presidential palace during the coup of Salvador Allende
Or the 2nd Kweebec bridge collapse... again
I did think they should explore the conspiracy of the first 9/11 because that is easy to prove and more educational for Normies.
@@fuckfannyfiddlefart the engineering disaster of the Chilean military
Would be funnier if their 9/11 video was about the Tacoma Narrows Bridge and their TNB video was about 9/11
Or the Roman defeat in Teuteburg forest.
If I were the twin towers I would have simply not fallen down.
That’s showing the kind of personal responsibility that Mike Rowe would be proud of.
I would have backflipped out of the way and carefully landed back on my foundation
If I was on a burning skyscraper that a plane just hit, I would simply vote.
I’m just built different
rip to ur trade center but im different
Roz: "The Planes did it!"
You know what didn't do 9/11?
Trains.
Oh my goodness it all comes together.
And an automobile did the first attack in the 90’s
RO (da na nana naaaa!) RO BOT ROCK (da na naaaa na na!)
Ok but what about automobiles?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
WTYPP is slowly but surely progressing towards the coveted 24-hour episode.
That'll be the one on the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.
@@blahblahghost That's not slowly and surely, that's fast and surely.
The episodes would be approaching "continual" length, but Alice has other podcasts to be on.
Justin not doing anything on his personal channel would be another side effect, but that would not change much.
Trump Presidency. Might be better as a mini-series so they can have time to rotate in and out subject matter experts.
I'll still watch it
Can't believe they skipped over the whole purpose of building the Twin Towers: to allow a Frenchman to tightrope walk across their roofs one morning.
*The* prime reason!
The artistic crime of the century
Aw yes
@Aditya ChavarkarVercengetorix: am I a joke to you?
Don't you mean "so Godzilla and Megalon can have something to stand on when they punch each other?"
I work for a large pump manufacturer and I’m not exaggerating when I say we have a solid 75 years of drawings from 1900-1975ish that were stored in a closed in the shop so long that the shop flooded 3 separate times Over the years an no one noticed until 10 years ago when the solution was to just move all the cabinets 2 racks up with fork lifts so you literally have to take a forklift to get old documents now. Said documents are entirely covered in mold and rat feces with quite a few being entirely shredded by mice.
gotta say it's pretty bad when the pump manufacturer has a flood
@@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 they don't care if it floods, they're just very good at emptying it out afterwards. they're not The Levee Company.
@@samb8396 A Flood at the Sandbag factory?
@@samb8396 🎵 When the levee breaks, they'll call the pump company🎶
@@cwestrephx if it keeps on raining, the pump manufacturers goin' to flood
We're gonna need Roz to go ahead and isolate his Joker laugh audio so Alice can splice and throw it in the soundboard
Month 4, still no Joker Roz
@@slaughterround643- Luckily. I don't wanna hear that again, I skipped it on rewatch. Terrifying.
I'm from three years in the future, it has not returned
Alice: Ruth Bader Ginsberg Died
Justin: *Cackles manically*
I initially thought that was a drop Alice played. Poor Rocz.
in this episode justin becomes the joker
Sheeeeeit, I was not ready for that. God bless the Rocz.
that's the sound of ego death
If that’s not a mood I don’t know what is
As someone who drafts up As Builts as a side gig, I can attest to the poor quality of old drawings, and even modern drawings. A thing to remember for those unaware, the as built drawings are corrected from initial plans based often upon the sketches of building contractors with limited drawing tools. So understanding the MS Paint like simple lines and shapes as complex diagrams (often without critical measurement or accurate locations) is a major part of the process. The state of the original plans can also be awful (As per those seen in this vid).
The worst I came across was a rising conveyor system that fell or lifted to 2 different conveyors; this system had complex measuring and guard systems in place as well. The sole remaining diagram of this system was a scan of a bad photocopy; this drawing was difficult to read when clean let alone with copy degradation, basically had to redesign to system off photos then work back to fit the original drawing
Anyone flying the Confederate flag on private property should immediately be assumed to be in rebellion, and the army should be dispatched to quell them
Yes! Supporting the CSA is aiding an abetting enemies of the United States, at a minimum.
This is an incredibly based take.
Apparently the most popular confederate flag that people fly is the battle flag. That must mean they are currently declaring war on America and are in the middle of fighting so you legally have the right to engage them. At least someone on the internet told me this so it’s definitely true.
@@tubulartom666 sounds about right to me. That's a declaration of intent to commit violence, self defence would be justified.
Does this mean that states that fly the confederate battle standand on public land should be considered to be in active rebellion and be put under martial law
Justin: "A second freeway has hit the towers!"
This line damn near killed me. I was laughing so hard rum and coke shot out of my nose and I couldn't breathe
...had you been drinking rum and coke?
Yarr!
Laughing so hard that I inhaled all me coke through my nostrils.
@@landonito4616 inhaled? i'm getting increasingly worried about my fellow listeners who drink coke-based beverages
You need some rum ham togo with that
The best explanation of "what happened" I've ever seen wasn't anything made post 9/11, but an old black and white documentary made during the construction of the towers. In it they kept repeating and were very proud of their system of load bearing walls and how they allowed for more usable floor space. And it also made it obvious why removing essentially an entire side of the tower's _load bearing_ exterior structure and setting it on fire would cause, you know, problems.
Really wish I could find that documentary - it was quite good, and (used to be?) on UA-cam.
Not black and white, but equally interesting and complimentary:
ua-cam.com/video/urNrsUgBuCU/v-deo.html
Building the world trade center (1983)
The Citigroup building isn't quite the same scale as a potential WTC controlled demolition but it is still interesting to note that for those three months that there was virtually no other union welding done within hundreds of miles because all of them were in the Citigroup building 12-18 hours a day for three months. In the case of WTC, it wouldn't be the black suit ruling class with the skill and knowledge to rig a building to blow up it would be hundreds of blue collar workers or military demolitions experts. That's not a conspiracy that is compatible with basic logic let alone logistics.
If the tech existed to swiftly and efficiently blow a skyscraper, even a noodle like the WTC, that shit would be on the open market by now.
"Robert Moses did 9/11" is the most on-brand thing I've heard on this show.
0:00 - Why are we skipping the Tacoma Narrows Bridge?
1:34 - Introductions and 9/11 Is Funny Now
5:04 - Roz talks about a picture of Callowhill for three minutes.
8:58 - We start talking about the actual thing
17:00 - Alice starts Shia LaBeouf Part II, this time with Liam.
20:38 - Liam insults Baltimore, appropriately.
31:30 - We discover who we should really blame for 9/11.
36:26 - Discussion of how bad American construction in the 1960's was.
43:13 - "As-Built" vs. "As-Wished."
1:25:40 - Roz finds out about RBG
1:31:15 - What really really happened. Really.
1:48:19 - Roz shows us top of the line civil engineering FEA - 3-D folks! (COMSOL be damned.)
2:02:26 - We discover the Prime Directive of controlled demolition.
2:07:36 - WTYP discusses one of my previous supervisors.
2:09:20 - Did Plato's Cave have As-Builts?
2:27:29 - Citicorps - the best of the worst of Engineers of Record.
2:32:45 - Sean explains that Loose Change is a bad movie
2:35:46 - Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3
2:43:48 - Thermite started Pizzagate
2:44:20 - Se7en
2:52:40 - It's all holograms folks.
3:01:15 - Roz tries out for American Top Gear.
3:02:00 - SAFETY THIRD!
- And done. Come on 24hr WTYPP!
Citicorps timestamp when
The hero we need but don't deserve
Edit: investigate 3/11
he said the two sides would not
I was just thinking about Justin's laugh in this episode and I had to hear it again. Thank you.
The as-builts rant was beautiful.
Alice back when RGB died: it's going to be some slavering, dog fucking psycho
You nailed it, Alice.
Wanted to say, you got the acronym backwards for Ruth Bader Ginsberg. But I found the thought of a pile of RGB light strips being a supreme court justice quite funny (would probably do a better job not making the country worse than at least half of the current justices)
Ruth Gader Binsgerb@@maxwellrobertson4831
Three hours of load-bearing content.
@@bobbowie5334 Groverbrokers
@@bobbowie5334 when are we getting the coveted Gravel-Brokers
I see you in every based comment section
Roz losing the last of his sanity was about the only reasonable reaction to the God damn news.
No one show him the #Ruthkanda tweet!
I'm a native New Yorker who was only in Kindergarten when this all happened. Looking at this atrocity from your usual irreverent style - particularly when dunking on conspiracy theorists - is actually really, really therapeutic in a weird way for me. I went in thinking I was going to hate it, and now it's honestly one of my favorites. It's helped me cope better when 9/11 comes around on the calendar again, in a great way.
I just wanted to mention that. Thanks. :')
May the 2,753 murdered in those towers rest in peace, and may the memory of their deaths never be abused to justify imperialist wars overseas again.
did you just dunk on the conspiracy theorists that believed Saddam had nuclear weapons?!
You shouldn't be dunking them, they're from the mainstream media and you're meant to be supporting them.
@@robertely686 The mainstream media's incompetence doesn't automatically validate speculation (or just outright lies) from the tin-foil crowd.
Stop grotesquely grandstanding on the graves thousands of dead people for attention.
I was starting high-school, I remember that day and that moment very well, definitely the best 9/11 I've had. Some were shocked others were celebrating and now every year we remember the date as "the good 9/11", lovely day, sadly followed by more imperialism by the US, Gringos just refuse to learn.
@@eleSDSU Your lack of empathy for the dead and suffering is appalling.
Same! I think that’s why 9/11 jokes are so popular - it’s a huge trauma (both the terror attacks themselves and the reduction of rights/atrocities that followed) and laughing about it helps some process that.
Also, just a little fun bit to add to the slide about the emergency response, that board on the left that says "Fire Command Post" is how the FDNY deployed units at the time. It's a part of the unit called "field comm" that my father once was deployed to as a Lieutenant. Field comm was, and still is, deployed to all fires greater than 3 alarms, in order to coordinate responses and become the central communication hub for those big fires, and, at that time consisted of a single lieutenant (the guy with the black helmet in that shot) with radios bandoliered across his chest, like a fucking cowboy, staring at a suitcase with a magnetic whiteboard on it. That magnetic whiteboard has drawers with numbered magnets for every single fire company in new york city on it, each about the size of a chiclet, that would be arranged to show the position of the fire companies at the scene. Now, on the inside of it, the lieutenant in charge would arrange the magnets on top of a picture of a "new law" tenement building, which was already pre drawn for the lieutenant using it, for any other type of building, the lieutenant would have to use a dry erase marker, or clip a piece of 8.5" x 11" paper to the inside in order to plan their means of attack. This Lieutenant, using this one whiteboard, was responsible for managing at the scene, 214 units, composed of 112 Engine companies, 58 Ladders, 5 Rescues, 7 Squads, 4 Fireboats, multiple Chiefs, and various other units. Compounding this is the fact that the change of tours, the "shift change" for the Fire Department happens at 9 am. So, many of these companies had double the number of firefighters they usually would have standing around, and seeing a fire like this, would just all go because firefighters basically just love doing this. This one guy, playing with his magnets, was the entire coordination between the chiefs, dispatch, OEM (the office of emergency management), the commissioner, and all of the firefighters on scene. They didn't get a laptop until a few years later I believe.
It’s always the fuckin shift change huh?
This was an incredibly insightful post. Thank you for sharing it
Kyle Lee Hufnagel always
Also Christine Todd Whitman, head of the EPA during 9/11 lied about the air in Lower Manhattan being safe to breathe, and her reputation is being actively rehabilitated by the democrats for being an "Anti-Trump Republican." She should be in prison for the rest of her life. Fuck her.
I would not have wanted to be that lieutenant when the towers went down. Just think about he saw in all those little pieces on that whiteboard at that moment. Or don't.
I am now imagining a completely rigid WTC being hit by an airplane and toppling like a domino. Downside, everyone in the building still dies, but at least you can just set it upright again and have a perfectly fine building. I'm convinced. Expansion joints are the enemy.
making everything a fixed point connection saves the day once again
just put in some seatbelts! make all the buildings it lands on also perfectly rigid, so they just kind of inelastically deflect it, so no one gets crushed, there's just a big metallic clang
The people on the first few floors might be fine actually.
Considering how much downplaying and pushback there is around COVID death totals and the recent protests, I realized that the death caused in 9/11 is not what resulted in the outrage, but rather the amount of property damage caused during it.
Ding ding ding! And even then, the amount of damage was infinitesimal compared on what we did, with one arm tied behind our back, to the wrong country.
I don’t mean to downplay 9/11 or the pain of the many victims, but on an aggregate level...
@@TheWhale45 Except for all the ones that can be.
I have to soft disagree.
The amount of property damage didn't really mean as much as that, as intended, they struck at a symbol (of American capitalism) in a big, flashy way.
Then, as we know, rather than trying to instill calm courage and solidarity, our government stood up and said what amounted to "EVERYBODY PANIC! (oh, and btw gimme your rights)" before giving them an enemy to attack (in an overreaction way) before the fight-or-flight response could settle down.
As a counterpoint, we've had natural (and not so natural) disasters before and since that have done comperable amounts of property damage in big flashy ways that haven't caused us to take issues like climate change seriously yet, much less drone strike Exxon's corporate offices.
As a side note, this makes the corporate media and Bush administration complicit in Al-Quaida's terrorism in a philosophically-interesting, accessory-after-the-fact way.
Well yeah, think of how much investment money I lost?!
@@dynamicworlds1 climate change isnt a guy though. Like oh hurricanes? Tornados? We expect those to destroy stuff. Planes dont really get flown into buildings a lot. I mean idk that saying anyone thing is why 911 was treated so srsly is accurate anyway idk
2:38:50: "Reverse 9/11. The towers just got 10 stories taller"
That should be made into an SCP entry.
I think that's The Oldest House in Control.
I mean, that's kinda what 184 doses, over a period of time it makes the internal space of a structure larger without altering its exterior in any way so that kinda fits the bill.
11/9
That's like a Monument Mythos episode
Instead of the backrooms, the top floors
My parents worked directly across the street in the BNY building. They were given instructions to stay at their desks. The reason both my parents are alive today is because my dad said "fuck that" and made my mom run.
Isn't it kind of cool that every single one of our ancestors had to basically also make their own version of that decision for any of us to be here in the first place?
Mathematically improbable and overall kind of neat!
Anyone who told their employees to 'stay at their desks' at Ground Zero or similar national emergencies should've been *stoned.*
As built story. I was the Assistant Director of Security for s shopping mall built in the 60s and added on over the years. The I never saw the plans, I only knew how electrical, water, and Fiber was run because I looked for it myself or talked with Technicians who put it in.
One day the newly hired fire system inspection company came to test a building that was recently renovated the year prior. They were given the 1st revision plans made 1 year before construction, so they were a little off. Luckily I had been there for the whole renovation so I took one look and realized how bad they were. At least 3 walls hadn't been built that were on the plan, and several smoke detectors were not installed because the building was grandfathered in, so they didn't need to add them. Suffice it to say I spent more time helping contractors understand the building then run a security department some days.
as an anecdote, i am gen z and every single year in september we watched an excruiatingly long documentary on 9/11. sometimes multiple times for several difference classes. my senior year (2015) was the first year i didnt have to sit through two hours of empathy drainage for something that happened when i was 5. its on a similar level of the holocaust in terms of how its taught. my teachers would comment on how each year less and less students would remember where they were when the buildings fell. every class past mine wont remember at all. its history to us. intangible, nothing was lost for me, all ive known is the aftermath of it. the hyperviolence and militarization and ultranationalism and troop praising. the unintended side effect of drilling it into our heads as kids is that none of us care. burnt out of too many documentaries of burnt paper and falling people
sameeeeeee i was literally 2 when it happened and every fucking year at least two classes would make us watch 9/11 stuff
none of us gen z have ever even lived in a world where there wasn't the endless security theater patriot act war on terror forever war nsa hell world
and we don't even truly realize it because it's all we know
because of something that happened before most of us were even in kindergarten
Even in the Netherlands you had the nerd channels like Discovery and National Geographic (before they became "whats me ear money, dramatized"). Every week of 9/11. Whole week of just repeating the same documentaries. 2015 it was still going I think.
My Mom made my brother and I watch the one 9/11 documentary that was filmed by a couple of French guys (who were mostly there to make a boring documentary about the WTC itself) one year. She and my Dad are so fucking traumatized from it. We used to live in Jersey City and my Dad used to work in the World Financial Center. I don’t blame them for trying to make us remember. I just wish that it didn’t become a reason for the US to practice even more imperialism. (And of course not do shit for any of the first responders afterwards, from what I’ve heard)
As a canadian who was 4. Exact same experience...
I’m the high school class of 2020, and every year like clockwork at least on of my teachers would come to the revelation that we were the first class to be born after 9/11, cue comment about “I can’t believe it’s been so long that kids who were born after are old enough to ____”
So much of my life and my peers lives has been defined by something we were absent for.
My mother was one of the people told to go back to work in the second tower when the first one got hit. One of her coworkers was at risk of going into a diabetic coma from what happened, so she was able to get past the authorities telling her to return to work by saying she needed to get her coworker medical attention. On the way down the stairs, they heard the second plane hit. I'm very lucky to still have her today. Fuck those monsters.
the terrorists or the gangmaster's forcing people to go back upstairs to await their death?
@@hughjass2745 Both.
When I worked in gas utility, a hereditary line worker described the process of as-built through probably the Eighties as such: linemen would work eight hours or whatever every day installing pipe, get off the job, head to the bar, have a few drinks and start filling in as-built documentation there. I have not seen anything to doubt this.
It's been a while since I've heard someone get Jokerified in real time
"Knock knock."
"Who's there?"
"9/11"
"9/11 who?"
"YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET!"
"A Second Freeway have hit the tower"
Worth it. That was hilarious. Given that 9/11 has basically wrecked our country, I don't care anymore. Laughing is the only thing that is keeping us sane.
9/11 really 9/11'd the American Way hard.
9/11 wrecked your country? Are you from Chile?
@@guidemeChrist the Patriot act and the middle eastern wars made the terminal decline exponential and not multiplicitive.
9/11 has not wrecked out country, but it did distract us from the real and growing threat (both internal and external) until its nearly too late: Communist China
TheLocalLt lol ThE lEfT
All I can think of is the recurring joke of Alice pretending not to listen when explosives are discussed and now the gang takes on 9/11
It made the joke even better that she repeated the scandalous phrase herself in full. I thought that was clever.
1:49:33 "Oh crap, I wasn't supposed to switch the slide."
I think we're well past spoiler stage on 9/11, Roz.
I've done two courses on managing major incidents in the past three years. 9/11 comes up as how not to coordinate a response in both.
The commanders of each emergency service set up in a different area and did not communicate.
The best example of a planned response comes from a British-born security consultant, Rick Rescorla, who evacuated all of his company from the tower, against orders from the authorities, himself being the only casualty when he re-entered to save more.
Oh I didn't know they had 2 commanders that didn't communicate 🙈
@@kanalkucker14 Yeah the FD and the PD, and the fact everyone had 1-Way radios
Rick Rescorle also served in Vietnam at the battle of Ia Drang. He lead a fascinating life.
the freeway hitting the tower joke reminded me of "no one was prepared for terrorists flying two buildings into the sides of planes. no one was killed, but a lot of people were surprised"
I was 6 when this happened. The next day I made a lego model of the towers and flew a toy plane into them. I didn't quite understand at the time why I got in so much trouble.
It's been a while since I've heard something on the level of "a second highway has hit the towers"
And that was just topped by Justin's joker laugh
Co-op City native here--can confirm that they cheaped out on the concrete due to *friends of friends* not being cut in. The garage building across from where I grew up (Bellamy Loop) had to be rebuilt in the 2000s after it started crumbling and the street constantly grows a bubble because it was built on a large estuary lol. Also my playareas and the green spaces were obliterated during the 90s because all the pipes were rotting and had to be replaced. The green spaces have only been fully restored in the last five years, but they've done a nice job. My grandparents (one of whom was a labor organizer) were some of many who helped organize the rent strike. Co-op remains a bastion of largely Black and Latinx union households and I will love it forever. Solidarity!
If you guys had done nothing else of value in this series of podcasts, the explanation of architectural as-builts from 2:10:13 to 2:11:56 would still have justified the entire effort.
"...scanned, saved as a low-resolution .pdf..." The large-format scanner can actually scan to 300 dpi or better. But the default setting is 150 dpi monochrome bitmap, and the person doing the scanning would have to poke through two or three screens to reset it so anybody can actually read any of the numbers in the .pdf, and you can explain how to do this to that person a hundred times, but all your scans are coming out at 150 dpi anyway.
"...Contractors are given these designs and then throw them out..." as part of the 1.3 GB .zip file containing 9,400 files and subdirectories, supplied to the surveyor the night before his crew is supposed to tight-stake the grid lines.
"...and work from actual field conditions, requesting change orders as needed..." Then contractors receive copies of these change orders, which they never circulate either to the surveyors laying out forms or to the guys nailing the forms together.
"...and cursing design professionals all the while..." which is the advantage to working late. Everyone else has gone home, you're all alone in the office. At a certain point your hands are shaking too much to point the mouse, but you don't have to hold it in. You can yell until you're hoarse. Then your hands shake less for a while.
"...Once the work is substantially complete, design professionals return to survey the work completed..." Field crews are sent to survey the completed work, which has been buried or walled in or is in some other way inaccessible.
"...and create a new set of as-builts, based on the original photocopied set..." and a great deal of creative imagination.
"...and the cycle continues..." the next guy's gonna get a 2.4 GB .zip file.
Yup as someone who has done as-builts multiple times that is all true
It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard".
It really is a shame that WTYP only pins the truly dreadful replies. This is gold.
Thank you for taking the time to write this out, between your info on the agony and ecstasy of designs and Sean’s call to abolish rebar, I’m really learning here
Sounds about right: as-practiced project management often does not justify people's faith in the certificates.
My favorite part of this show (and this episode did not disappoint) is the long, drawn-out, super awkward endings, where no one knows quite how to end the show - I get real teen-lovers-on-the-phone vibes
“you hang up”
“no you hang up”
“no you hang up! ...
... did you hang up?”
“...no”
Finally a break from the serious matters and a lighthearted episode for a change.
Love a good comedy episode of WTYP
I once saw someone argue that 9/11 couldn't've been done by planes because steel beats aluminium
like the plane would've met the building and just forcefield disintegrated on its surface without doing any damage whatsoever
Yes, because engineering and physics is like a game of rock paper scissors.
Reagan and the neoliberals cut funding for the forcefield.
This😂😂😂 I've seen this so many times
cool then they won't mind if I shoot an aluminum can at them at high speed while they wear plate armor
@@queergeologist8207launching pots of play-do through a coilgun at 9/11 truthers
Roz's laugh is like Rich Evans's laugh except on crack and it's terrifying.
I see we have a Rem Lezar fan.
Famous superstar Rich Evans? From the Ellen Show?
David Fakename Thats Mr. MacCulkin to you.
When will the hack frauds at WTYP realize Rem Lezar did 911.
Its not as forced as stavvybaby greeceball
Look up the world trade centre in Edmonton, Canada. It's adorable. Its got a handful of offices, a small "convention centre" with a max capacity of 120, and a steak house on the ground floor.
A local guy wrote a shitty novel 'reimagining' if 9/11 had happened to Edmontons WTC instead. Which is laughable, since all the surrounding buildings are taller you'd effectively need to fly straight down to actually hit it.
Somehow got an old propeller driven dive bomber going.
I'm picturing the plane just doing a belly flop on to the building
Was the plane an Osprey or something?
Pausing the video an hour in to add a footnote to Alice's explanation of Anti-Conmunist mobilization in Afghanistan: don't forget the opium. The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan marked a turning point by which at the end something like 90% of the economy of the country post-war, through the wiley antics of the Mujahaddin would be based on opium production for Pakistani heroin.
OK, continue.
@@EmeraldLavigne Kinda-sorta. Immediately post-war they were responsible for ramping it up as they seized power, as it was a useful way to consolidate their grip. Prior to the rise of the Taliban, Afghanistan had one of the most diverse agricultural economies and was relatively drought resistance because there was a traditional reliance on nut trees when a regular drought swept through and they couldn't do normal farming things. But the Taliban went through and cut down those trees and forced people to grow opium, which they sold on the black market to but food to sell back to the people. But once the Taliban was pretty much finished consolidating themselves they offered to end their opium industry to receive American recognition and funding and was even talking about western economic investment from multi-nationals. Under the UN they reduced their opium production significantly, but not totally and to try and bring back the old farming.
Of course the US didn't care and we bombed them out of existence anyways and opium production rebounded.
Aaron MK they were running a dictatorship which harbored international mass murdering terrorists, and it happens to be the crossroads of Asia, positioned perfectly to check Iranian, Russian and Chinese influence. Invading Afghanistan was not a mistake, invading Iraq was a big mistake
The plant devil!
@@EmeraldLavigne
Alcohol and narcotics use in Islam can get complicated. From Alice's casual drinking as she admits and is shared by Muslims in Central Asia and the Tuareg Berbers of North-Western Africa. Opium consumption is no different, and while different interpretations of Islam may crack down harder than others, so can they be more liberal depending on conditions or cultural factors. For instance: opium has been long a cultural drug of choice in Iranian/Persian society for millenia and even after their conversion to Islam has been a major component in Iranian society.
According at least to the book Politics of Heroin (a very comprehensive overview of opium and Heroin at least so far as the CIA was involved) one of the things the Islamic Republic of Iran did not ban when it came to power was opium consumption, which had been previously illegalized by the Shah over concerns on the effect opium had on the quality of his soldiers. Otherwise opium was consumed very openly in Iran and Iran was the last country to run an official state monopoly. If you were even a guest of a Persian aristocrat it was very common to be offered to join in smoking and they had pipes set aside for guests.
Things currently seem to have changed in Iran again though in regards to opium and the state K guess has started cracking down in the past decade or so. But for a long time the West could be willfully ignorant or Afghan production because Iran absorbed much of it.
On a similar note, and not as severe as opium: I knew an Egyptian who explained to me how the current Egyptian government is pretty chill with and I think even legalized marijuana. It's one of the cash crops farmers now are allowed to cultivate a little but of now because they are otherwise obligated to grow according to state mandate. Before hand during the swinging free market period of the Mubarak "government" they only ever just grew cotton and Egypt was not good independent. So, different strokes.
I think also hashish filled niche too left behind by not being allowed to consume alcohol since I'm thinking about it. But all I'm really just reminded of is an essay I heard exists by Walter Benjamin about it and is supposedly such a good essay on hashish it's gotten people on it, or back on it.
@@EmeraldLavigne man, knowing that omar offered to hang or extradite bin laden is old news and has nothing to do with Islam or university.
On a bridge over a motorway (the English freeway equivalent) where I live, someone tried to paint "9/11 was an inside job". But, I guess 'cos they had to hang over the side and do it upside-down, they wrote "e111 was an inside job". E111 is a food colouring commonly used in orange flavoured sweets and controversial for its alleged hyperactivity affect on small children.
"You can't do nine eleven because it's already been done" Justin's right, it would just be passé
Kweebec Bridge already did 9/11
[Sarcastic Hipster voice] _Oh great,_ ANOTHER _plane?_
We may not have another 9/11 but we can have 2020.
I'd argue it hasn't been *completely* done if the Pentagon's still standing
@@lyndonwesthaven6623 Communists: "That wasn't real 9/11!"
Norwegian here, we are not a social democracy because of the oil. We had a massive ML movement here after the war but the capital owners gave us social democracy so that we wouldnt have a revolution. But the oil made it so the social democracy worked longer. Now we are the biggest capitalist :(
Ive heard a lot of those programs are getting rolled back by some scandinavian governments?
@@mattwilliams6500 cursed
@@mattwilliams6500 yup, natural path for a social democracy
@@mattwilliams6500 Yep, a good example right now is the liberal Swedish government's recent roll-back of union protections in the workplace, some pretty nasty precedents are being set for future regressive moves
Basically Scandinavia is 5 people living on natural wealth so vast that it might as well be unlimited, and lecturing the rest of the world on how it's easy to do and they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps too.
An π hour-long episode hell yeah.
Yipπ-ki-yay!
Actually more like 3.236389 hours!
@@thorsteinj well who ever uses pi past 1 sig fig anyways
@@spambot7110 PI IS EXACTLY 3
@@acassiopeia6439 pi=3, e=3, g=3, 4=3 the first law of engineering
Alternatively if the WTC towers were more flexible the planes would have just bounced off the towers like a rock hitting a taut rubber band
Wait, I think you're on to something...
Ok but have you considered both twin towers bending to avoid the planes like the matrix fights
Try standing a rubber band upright.
Seatbelt sign comes on
*inside the building*
or made them doughnut shaped.
As someone not from the USA, this is the most comprehensive presentation on what happened during this nebulous televised event of my childhood.
Im actully from america, and most of the information here is new to me too.
my dad’s a firefighter, retiring this year. firefighters truly are a universal good, everything they do is in service of the community. he actually was a 9/11 (2nd responder i guess?) bc they bussed in firefighters from NJ (where im from) to man the stations in the city bc every single NYFD firefighter was responding. crazy shit. AFAW
this is the most cohesive 3 hour long 9/11 documentary on UA-cam
The engineering angle is fascinating -- it somehow hadn't occurred to me a building built in the early 70s miiiight not be built to the highest possible standards even though they looked cool. That see-through sunset photo showing the tube design was an eye opener.
And then all your rants about how the Iraq war and so much awful has come from the US response... it's painful but reassuring to hear sanity. Somewhere on the internet I have a similar rant I posted in 2006. It's been a loooooong 20 years.
honestly Roz momentarily becoming the Joker was cathartic, it's the release we all needed.
The as-built rant gives me life
My company had a project for work on the Florence Alabama Tennessee River dam and the as-builts were about as good as what Justin showed. The cursing and cussing from all of our structural engineers lasted for two weeks
The other problem with As-built drawings is when some other project came along after and modified the installation but you can’t find their drawings or nobody knows the other project happened; combo detective work and reverse engineering to figure out what and who and why
Alice literally said "Keep America Great" at the end and now Trump has COVID-19 so yeah, Alice, you're right about the endorsements.
Aeroplanes damage buildings proportional to the 4th power. Cessna damage is entirely ignorable. 🙂
Akin to Car forces on a bridge being entirely ignorable in comparison to the Truck forces on a bridge.
The above comment is underrated.
i've seen this episode before. i knew halfway through roz becomes the joker. it still jumpscared the shit out of me. thank you king
Same with me and Alice's fire alarm in the Station episode. Every damn time...
"Nine Eleven"
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@@TheKoingWolf Call 811 before you dig
But what about building 7? Jetfuel can't melt steel memes, I had more but alas I forgot.
The twin towers should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
this comment is not going to get the love it deserves but i need you to know that this is brilliant
@@debrasue2793 thanks, i appreciate it!
Justin's Joker cackling was my inner monologue when Trump announced he had covid tbh
I oddly didn't have that reaction. I immediately took a breath and started thinking about what this all means strategically. I reminded myself that wishing harm on others harms me, and other vaguely Wiccan ideas. I was very good.
Then yesterday I learned one of my senators has it and I let out a hearty guffaw. Guess I'm going to hell, but damn it's nice to see them get comeuppance they can't BS their way out of.
@@Rolan7196 my god that is so boring, I can’t believe you would take that peace and love bullshit with people who would have you publicly executed in their ideal world.
@@keyboardstalker4784 LMAO ok drama queen
@@Rolan7196 I wouldn't even laugh if one of the lefty governors who caused so many of the deaths by cramming young people with rona in the nursing homes with grandma got it.
@@FalconOfStorms "Cramming young people with rona in the nursing homes with grandma" What do you mean by this? And is your phrasing not supposed to be funny?
this is the moment we’ve been training for
Like Mohamed Atta this training was done under Saudi sponsorship
It's just like in the simulations.
"As Built documents display for all to see our lack of knowledge of our own creations! And as such, to hide our shame, we usually store them in a rusty filing cabinet..." Roz absolutely on fire here in the best of ways
We need a follow-up on the replacement building. As someone who toured 1WTC slightly before it finished it cannot be stressed enough how absurdly overbuilt that building is. The guide bragged to us that the building was designed to be "747 proof" (the implication was that it was for real this time). Its literally the "Why don't the build the entire thing out of the black box?" Joke Alice always makes but for real.
I come back to this episode literally just to listen to Justin's manic laughing fit. It feels so cathartic to acknowledge the absurdity of this shit amid how much it fucking sucks.
"A second freeway has hit the towers"
had to pause i was laughing so hard omg
We've just learned that he FBI is getting reports of a hijacked freeway out of Boston but this is unconfirmed at this time
2:53:57 If I remember correctly, from Bin Laden's writings it seems like his original goal was actually the opposite. He though a large scale terrorist attack would lead to America withdrawing it's troops from the Islamic World. So he didn't achieve what he set out to, but neither did anyone else in the aftermath of 9/11.
Booray! Everybody lost
Which of his writings did you read? Do you have copies, or was your source a newspaper?!
Oh, he Pearl Harbour’d himself.
@@joshuahadamsYamamoto did warn that America would be sent reeling for about a year, and afterward Japan had better be ready to defend itself from the greatest military power on earth.
My aunt was a first responder, her one good trait, because now still votes for the people who screw her out of healthcare she deserves for the work she did. Then defends that. blows my fucking mind.
All buildings must be made completely of metal so that us Welders have a construction monopoly. Metal sidewalks, metal roads, metal trees, metal dogs, metal music, shit weld everything.
"What conversation did we just had"
"Ruth Bader Ginsberg just died"
*Joker Laugh*
Jesus Christ. To think that some people have been waterboarded on more occasions in their life than I have gone swimming. I mean I haven't gone swimming much, but still.
The thing about that list of "architects and engineers" who have questions about 9/11 is that there are actually very few credentialed architects and engineers on that list. Even among their vetted signatories, they are usually people who have never worked on a high-rise building, or they simply aren't in the civil engineering field. And the wider petition allows anyone to sign it from the website, all you need is an email address.
This is a very old rhetorical trick for conspiracy theorists. Creationists do this all the time, producing lists of hundreds of "biologists" (many of whom turn out to be dentists) who reject the evolutionary model of human origins. It's all so they can trick people into thinking they represent honest intellectual inquiry.
trust me bro I have a failed GCSE on fluid dynamics and can tell you that 9/11 was an inside job
It being an "inside job" has nothing to do with structural engineering tho. I don't get the focus on how they fell. There's dozens of financial and criminal incentives to bring the towers down. The towers were scheduled for ridiculously expensive asbestos removal soon after they fell, and insurance was upped on the towers just before the attack. A few terrorists didn't organize a nationwide attack alone. It took a sizable concerted effort to plan and accomplish, obviously. The only question is 'why'
So, the World Trade Center title is like the corporate version of a Basilica.
Edit: technically, someone who dies on the High Holy Days is considered a Tzaddik, or a righteous person. It doesn’t make them a saint, but it does mean that there virtues outweigh their iniquities.
So that means that when I, a religious Jew, am brought into the bosom of Abraham I’m going to see Ruth Bader Ginsburg being given the stink eye by Theodor Adorno and Rose Cohen from opposite sides of the banquet table of Hashem.
When you get to Olam Haba you have to wait for a bit in between like Rambam, RBG and Abba kovner and it’s like the weirdest potluck dinner.
Jen Proctor now I’m just wondering who would try to break the tensions, Miriam? Serach?
Edit: it would also be more awkward because I would want to ask the Rambam to sign my copy of Maimonides: Essential Jewish Faith and Ethics, but can’t think of any proper way to put that in the conversation
screwsinabell Eeeeh, I’m not really sure about the details, but I thinks it’s more of confirming someone is a Tzaddik rather than make them a Tzaddik. Like, there are plenty of Tzaddik who don’t die on the high holy days, and plenty of regular people who do. I know I said it isn’t ‘Jewish Sainthood’ but’s it’s kind of like exhuming that really nice old Catholic lady who passed away years ago and seeing that she hasn’t decomposed at all. Though it should also be known that Judaism as a religion isn’t really focused on the afterlife, so there isn’t a lot of detail and it’s mostly left up for interpretation.
screwsinabell yeah, basically
@@dylanchouinard6141 Miriam Hanavia is an elder sister so if she isn't breaking tensions it's because she's busy physically holding Hillel and Shammai off each other.
"The gang never forget" but they forget to activate windows.
Did forget to link the fireproofing article in the description
I haven't activated Windows either, and I don't plan to.
im not telling any of you to do it legally either.
If you activate Windows you are accepting a secret agreement where the NSA can spy on you!
I had an intensely painful ear infection the first time I watched this episode to the point that I was basically in a semiconscious state but I remember clearly that when Roz learned about RBG and had his fucjing joker moment I had a fucjing lucid experience and was laughed so hard that, for a moment, I forgot I was in pain. When I settled down the pain came back tenfold.
I didn’t finish that episode that day.
RBG?
Red Blue Green?
Eh don't worry, I'll get to it.
Thank you all for actually having a reasoned, logical, and factual discussion about 9/11. I had just started engineering school when it happened, and our Materials and Manufacturing class had covered tensile strength, deformation, and the many phases of steel, just that Monday. I was fascinating, if not sad, to see that education demonstrated to the real world. The next class we discussed what happened, what was likely the cause, and how the "test" that people were already claiming had occurred had no likelihood of being accurate or of any bearing on what actually happened.
One note about WTC 7, it was reported that it contained a large cache of Diesel Fuel for a backup generator for the Con-Ed station, and to power the complex during a power outage. That was reported to have been a contributing factor to why the fire burned so long and so hot.
I appreciate the background on Co-Op city and the downright criminal construction practices in NYC at the time. I don't think most people thought of those things, or would even factor in that shitty contractors could have been a factor in a building's favor. I also recall it being reported after 9/11 that the original design for WTC1 and WTC2 did call for concrete in the core, but that was changed during construction. I wonder if it even matters, if they concrete would have provided enough extra strength to the buildings.
Again, great episode, and great show.
My dad once came back from a business trip to Austria. After talking to him about Austria, I ended by saying "anything else?" He paused, shrugged and matter-of-factly observed: "Square heads."
as an austrian i am squarely offended! good day sir 🎩
"We'll have QAnon senators soon" - well that comment sure aged well.
My body is ready for absolutely no jokes on 9/11 or RBG’s death. Very serious episode XD
A lot of people don't get that fireproofing isnt permanently resistant to fire. It still can burn or smoulder, it just doesnt burn on its own (ideally). Once the fire has burnt long enough the fireproofing just crumbles and turns to ash regardless.
But does the fire stay in one spot long enough to destroy the fire proofing?
@@DeverHB because a building isn’t just an empty metal frame, there’s a bunch of shit in there and that stuff catches on fire
Somebody’s gotta make a list of all the buildings that Jimmy Hoffa is apparently buried in the foundations of you guys have mentioned in the show
He is the Load Bearing Snitch.
That's obviously why they burned Grenfell Tower.
It's like the Catholic system of putting a saint's relic in every church. A fragment of Jimmy Hoffa bone in the foundation of every public building.
They cremated him and send a few grams of him off to be mixed into new constructions.
Adding this to my list of things to keep track of....
"Don't like that it's 88 dollars Alice...." was I the only other Jew who picked up on that?
I'm a gentile who picked up on it.
yeah it was a reference to, iirc, the official trump merch store selling collector's trump baseballs or something for 88 dollars as an Incredibly Obvious Dogwhistle
Fuck I didn't get that! Guess I have to hand in my EDL badge now....
I just thought It was a joke about 88 mph from back to the future :(
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@SpatialPlatypus if the world was round the planes would not hit the towers but go upwards to space, WAKE UP PEOPLE THE EARTH IS FLAT!!
Thanks Susan
@@NeighborSenpai thank you for this. That was good xD
"the as-builts say rebar but the reinforcing element is mostly mob snitches"
if im honest i always thought this was what rebar was a euphemism for
Believe it or not when you use jet fuel to ignite the tallest filing cabinet in the hemisphere, the fire burns hot enough to weaken steel
That comment reminds me of a _Thunderbirds_ episode where a guy was blackmailed into doing some industrial espionage with a bomb collar on his wrist, and instructed to leave the bomb in the old paper archives once he's made the transfer.
Cue a giant explosion and conflagration. Luckily it's the nighttime so the only people that have to be rescued by International Rescue supertech are in the elevator shaft.
Good episode.
TLDR: Tower fires are hell on earth.
Also, a wide-body jet flying at high-speed does a fuck-ton of damage to a terribly designed tower.
The only reason I remember that it was on a Tuesday is because Battlebots was on the same night, and after getting home from school I was wondering if it would affect the episode.
I remember the death of Princess Diana being a founding cause of my anti monarchy leanings because they cancelled all the cartoons that day to show endless footage of it.
@@Blackhawk19892 That would do it for me too, honestly.
Same for me and Knight Rider.
Turns out it was right on the cusp of a channel changeover. No more Knight Rider either way.
Roz blew my eardrums out while ordering food and I ripped my headphones out frantically. Then the cashier asked if I was alright, I blame Roz for my embarrassment at the local Burger King.
Conspiracy theories are funny. The blow outs of the windows while the building falls could be explained by a 5th grader. We all know heat rises. But it can't rise when hundreds of tons are falling down into it. The weight and pressure are too great, so the heat and gases are pressed downward, where they look for another escape, the windows. That's why you see explosions coming out of the windows. The people on those floors were probably killed by the pressure of the heat and gases before the concrete and steel even reached them.
I came for an episode about jet fuel and steel beams and stayed for a history lesson about lower Manhattan. I am not mad about it. Thanks to the guest for his knowledge.
"a second freeway has hit the towers" SENT ME lmao
Very disappointed in this podcast, very disrespectful. My uncle died in the 9/11 attacks and you’re just dancing all over his memory with your jokes. RIP in peace Uncle Atta
Ha.
goddammit
nice
Fs in the chat
You had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
I had my computer muted and thought the gang was opening with a multi minute moment of silence....