Idea: every time you announce the upcoming Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster episode, throw in like a little factoid of information about that disaster. That way, by episode 100, listeners can piece together an entire hidden bonus episode covering the entirety of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster over the course of 100 2-minute pieces.
@@radicalrazel9156 Not a joke, and they've unlocked it for us to watch on the channel. The new joke is that the next episode is about the Boston Molasses Flood.
"The first explosion took out all the controls and everyone who knew how to do anything." Ah yes, taking lessons from the Imperial Japanese Navy school of damage control
Beginning of Episode: Working on an oil rig is great money! Rest of Episode: here's like 20 ways you can horrifically die through no fault of your own while working on an oil rig
Fun work safety story time! At my first job at a grocery store, I came in one day, and was asked by a supervisor to sign a sheet of paper. I asked what I was signing for. She then told me that the paper is to certify that I have read and understand the fire evacuation procedures. I asked what the fire evacuation procedures were. She told me "You run, I think." and handed me the paper and a pen.
This incident is a parable of the death of our planet. "Hey, the thing's on fire. We should shut off the goo pipe." "I checked and that would make line go down. Goo keeps flowing."
Hey Liam, I can hear your distress through this. I know I'm just a stranger on the internet, but I hope you're taking care of yourself. You seem like a good person. Be safe and well.
Great explanation of what happened that night as always guys and girl. But you misconstrued one part that is continuously overlooked by everyone who describes what happened: Yes, the OIMs onboard the MCP-01, Tartan and Claymore platforms could see Piper burning on the horizon and they didn't have the authority to close their isolation valves. But in reality it didn't actually matter. Even if they stopped export immediately, because the risers ruptured UPSTREAM of Piper's isolation valves there was entirely too much gas inventory in the pipelines themselves for it to make any difference to the final outcome. What was required was SSIVs (subsea isolation valves) which would isolate the pipelines out of reach of the fire (by definition they are underwater). In fact, one of the recommendations of the Cullen Inquiry was to ensure that these valves became a regulatory requirement for all platforms, which they were not at the time. Also, Liam's parallel with people jumping from the World Trade Center is one that I have used many times to explain this exact thing.
Fun fact: It's against regs to grow a beard on oil rigs due to interfering with the fit of respirators, and that's how you can identify the marine O&G geologists at conferences
The mud cleans the hole/ retreives rock sample, cools the equipment, sometimes acts as a hydraulic fluid AND helps maintain the pressure equilibrium with what is down hole. Down hole is not always at "immense pressure" some wells are subhydrostatic and require artificial lift methods.
I second Alice with how genuinely unnerving the size that oil rigs can actually get to. Like, it seems impossible that you can build something of that size, and it can just casually be shipped around by some also gigantic Maersk sized transport 😮
Justin making the noises of a bored cat at 3 am to get the wrench and then crick-crick-cricking it as soon as he got it is just lovely. Put a smile on my face. So damn excited to show the class the new tool.
@@bobkaminski4666 The only snap on tools I do not regret buying are my 12 ratchet wrenches. despite them being, if I recall correctly, a little over 3000 bucks Canadian, over a decade ago. Even medium quality ratcheting wrenches have a very satisfying blend of mechanical complexity, precise action, and brutal strength when required. Almost all of the snap-on stuff I acquired is exquisite, but when I add up the cost I paid, I am bitter. Then I twirl the butter yet crisp action of one of those ratchets and my smile returns. If in your travels, you meet God holding your Snap-On 3/4 drive ratchet, God will be bludgeoned. As one would, given the way the bastard's always on a kipper when these disasters happen.
RE: dangerous fire suppression systems; I have done a lot of work in data centers with halon fire suppression. you know, the gas that displaces oxygen to put out fires without getting things wet, and is notably bad for humans to breathe. I had the fire alarm go off (false trigger from mouse damage) once while racking a server, and hi-tailed it so fast I bodyslammed through the crash bar and sent the outside door handle through the drywall beside the doorway before the buffer caught the door. ngl I think that was the worst adrenaline spike I've ever had; those doors weighed about 150lbs a piece as they were fire-resistant and steel reinforced.
Guy I used to work with once saw something similar in a data centre with halon fire suppression, only for good measure this had doors that opened inwards and the positive pressure from the halon system would slam the (gigantic and extremely heavy) doors shut when the system went off. Asphyxiation waiting to fucking happen.
When my dad was imbarked in the frigate someone accidentaly triggered the halogen fire suppressions system on the engine room during routine maintenance, the trigger opens the halogen tanks and closes all vent shafts. My dad was a electrician, so his post was the generator room, like two bulkheads over, he was waiting shift change, thus was not in service. When it happened he and 4 other donning masks and suits where first on scene as a damage control team, they removed 6 casualties, 2 KIA and reset the hole system then vented the room.
I work on aircraft and it's pretty much the same deal. Bigger planes use halon systems for fire suppression but a lot of hangars use foam suppression systems that are a great way to die if someone trips it accidentally. Though I've always been more worried about something like a magnesium fire or a defueling fire than getting killed by a fire suppression system
Fun Fact about the tharos. It was traded, renaamed and passed around a bit after this incident until it was set up to drill the Macondo well. It was then damaged in Hurricane Ida and replaced by *pause for dramatic effect* Deepwater Horizon.Just so you have a connecting line though the podcasts when you eventually do DWH
Used to work on Troll A, it is an interesting and somewhat scary place ;p 10 minute elevator ride down to the bottom of the Riser Shaft and you get to write your name on a piece of gear if you want .>
Was sitting here crying in despair about the state of society, now I'm sitting here crying in despair about the state of society while listening to a bitchin' podcast. Hell yeah.
0:10 - Justin aligns with V. 0:45 - Liam introduces the introduction 2:05 - End introductions, start fire 3:25 - COVID causes abortions in cases of legitimate rape 6:33 - The Eagles haven't played the Ravens yet. 11:40 - Liam doesn't know what a double wide is. 13:45 - Contrapment 16:36 - We make oul by digging 19:15 - Franklin plug 21:17 - Deepwater Horizon plug 28:52 - Central Planning Park 39:11 - We begin to look at Billie Piper Alpha 44:30 - Justin cannot read a Process and Flow Diagram 46:35 - Alice impersonates a mechanic 50:13 - Liam demonstrates that he does not know what LOTO is, because if the switch for Pump A was actually locked out and only the engineer who had installed the blank flange had a key, no lost piece of paper would have unlocked the lock. 59:35 - Rescue people! 1:08:11 - Oh, casualties. 1:22:55 - Lots of people go to jail for Christmas 1:24:57 - WTYPP Enthusiastically starts Safety Third 1:31:00 - Milo comes full circle. 1:34:30 - Join the PA Secret Service 1:38:50 - Outros
On the subject of machines moving on their own - and fire/blast protection - let's talk a moment about the loading door on the M1 Abrams MBT. Now the Abrams is a fine vehicle, and one I am inordinately proud to have to trained on. But that goddamn thing will maim the fuck out of you given half the chance. It probably won't outright kill you, but you may wish that it had. The Abrams, being a red-blooded American machine, doesn't have the wussy crutch of an "automatic loader." Instead it has an exhausted 19-year old and racks of shells. These are divided into two-three racks. The primary, or ready, rack is directly behind the loader; it's the 18 rounds that are immediately available to fire. The secondary, or semi-ready, rack is behind the tank commander. These take fucking forever to transfer to the ready rack, as they have to be moved - two or three at a time - by hand. In the latest models of Abrams there's also a six-round emergency reserve in the hull, and you have to rotate the turret just right to get these out - but they're still more accessible than the semi-ready rack. If you look at a photo of the Abrams, you'll see that its turret is freaking huge. The ammo magazine is at the back of the turret, facing away from the crew, with big blast panels on top. There are two heavy doors inside the turret, again, to separate the shells from the dudes. This is important for two reasons. First, if enemy fire penetrates the magazine, the explosion should vent out the top of the turret through the blast panels. Second, since the 120mm rounds used by the M256 main gun are mostly cellulose-cased, you do not want any potential flash from inside the turret (such as from an incompletely-combusted case being ejected) reaching them. So thus, the internal blast doors. The semi-ready rack door is completely manual, since it should only be used outside of immediate combat. The ready rack door, on the other hand, is designed purely to remove fingers. It's opened by the loader kneeing a switch and then closes on its own a second or so after the switch is released. It only takes a couple seconds to close and is moving really fast. It has a switch along its leading edge that should halt it if something is in the way, but literally nothing will stop it closing once it reaches the last couple inches of travel. So if your hand is in the way and you don't move it in a hurry (or remember to hit the knee switch) it will maim you. Almost worse, if you let it go while you're removing a round from the rack, the door might be going fast enough to smash the cellulose case apart. Now you've got propellant balls all over the inside of the turret, inside and out of the rack. This is, as they say, not ideal. And you've probably dropped the actual shell and brass AFCAP on your feet. And then the door closes. Now, I never had a direct incident with the loading door myself. However, during OSUT, I once bobbled a shell while getting it out of the ready rack. In the ballsiest move I've ever seen, the tank commander - an older, retired guy overseeing our training - snapped his arm out and grabbed the leading edge of the loading door to make sure it didn't cut the shell - or my arm - in half. The bobbling was one thing, but seeing him instantly put so much faith in a sensitive microswitch installed by the lowest bidder so shocked me that it was that moment when I nearly dropped the round. I recovered, loaded the gun, and we continued with the exercise, but goddamn, what a moment. ...and then I got to my unit and was assigned to a fucking Stryker. So glad I learned the ins and outs of the Abrams only to actually serve on a truck.
Hey Alice if you're reading this, please do actual name and "I'm the person talking right now" roll call on each Trashfuture episode like you do here. They're really helpful for new listeners. I've listened to about 20 TF episodes so far and you are the only voice I actually recognize. I'm still not entirely sure which voice is Milo. So please put those roll calls in!
As a kid/teenager growing up in Aberdeen (oil hub of Scotland) when Piper Alpha happened, this defined everything as I grew up. Even now people are still obviously incredibly raw about it. So when you hear people laughing about it, it triggers all sorts of emotions in you. But that's far from a bad thing; this shit needs to be talked about openly, and laughing at insanity is healthy. Dark humour personally gets me through most horrible things in life. So yeah, thanks for this episode, peeps. It actually really helped.
Safety Third: Here in Germany I would immediately call the Health and Safety Agency after being told that the safety mechanism is known to be faulty. And there probably would be a safety inspector showing up on Monday morning to shut the whole storage facility down until the safety devices have been repaired and recertified. (Might even come on saturday.)
Heavy moving shelves are also the death of Librarians everywhere that has to go to storage to get the old books. None of them are wellmade, all of them slowly shift towards you while you are looking for the right book and the only way to survive is either keep kicking the shelf back or put a trolley between the shelves. Due to low funding, it will most likely never be fixed as well. So no wonder the libraries of the world has so many ghosts!
re: Alice "Would it kill you to run a hose over them?" - having in-laws in suburban-to-rural Michigan, most of the roads are dirt, any vaguely damp weather your car's gonna be filthy just going to the shops. Yes, you clean it probably weekly, but mud-car is pretty much the default unless you care enough to wash it down every time you use it :p
@@saml7610 I don’t think the disaster would be Thatcher, exactly - I think the disaster would be poor Alice’s blood pressure. Liam is an expected casualty at this point. ... and I’m lowkey scared of Justin after last episode.
My Principles Of Engineering teacher made around $200 an hour doing underwater welding. He quit because most of his coworkers lost limbs, and he could feel his lifespan shortening.
You should do the Alexander L. Keilland disaster in 1980 . That was when a drilling platform that had been converted to a "floatel" as accomodation for oil rig workers collasped into the sea in a storm - 123 died. It's horrific.
the reason why it was a firewall and not an explosion wall is because the platform was originally designed only for crude production which is only combustible rather than explosive like gas is and lol at spending a ton of money retrofitting that shit
(Cross-posted from the technicals comments.) Listen, children, to a podcast, 'twas recorded long ago About a spoil-heap on a mountain and the children crushed below, Airplanes crashing, cruise ships sinking, malls with roofs collapsing in, Bosses kill a bunch of people and it seems they always win. Go ahead and build a shitty bridge, put a nightclub on a pier, Do it just to make the line go up, never listen to an engineer, It might cost you half an Xbox on the judgment day, And the bloody morning after, one shareholder rides away. (To the tune of One Tin Soldier.)
You guys were thinking of the Regeneron antibody treatment, not Remdesivir (which, to the best of my knowledge, is only proven to shorten the course of the disease, not actually save lives).
So the problem with explosive decompression is it’s not very cinematic. Sounds fancy, but it’s mostly people boo-hooing about their eyes bleeding or coughing up pink foam that used to be their lungs. Kind of disappointing from a horror movie perspective . Except for the Byford Dolphin. The rig had just recovered its diving bell and the four divers were transferring to the decompression chamber. I don’t know exactly how long they were supposed to decompress, but the chamber had sleeping bunks. So when a worker outside the chamber accidentally released a locking collar before the hatch was closed, the divers were instantly decompressed from nine atmospheres to one. The rapid change not only formed bubbles in the divers’ blood, it made their blood literally boil. The unlucky diver who was closing the hatch had his internal organs squeezed out through the crescent-shaped opening in a spray pattern. There is an autopsy report behind a paywall. I, for one, am glad for the paywall. I don’t know if it’s enough to make an episode from. The basic lesson is don’t design a locking collar that can instantly kill people.
I worked on oil platforms in the gulf for a few years, and in safety courses the instructor would cheerfully tell us that jumping off the platform was survivable up to 100ft or so. Just point your hands up and lock your legs together, and don't be suprised when your tightly laced steel toe boots just disappear when you hit the water.
Hey guys I've got a good one you can do, the Ufa Train Disaster. It combines all your favorite things! Pipelines, USSR working culture, explosions, and trains. Seems like it could make a decent episode.
I've only ever seen hand-cranked shelves. Probably because they're cheaper, but also because there's just more stuff to go wrong (with the automatic ones) which makes them more dangerous.
"as far as I know the sea is not on fire" I mean I know this can happen but occasionally you hear a sentence that just makes you go "what a fucking world we have created"
I dont know what shocks me more. The managment guy deniing the closing off the valves, or the worker, who was so indoctrinated, that he even asked, instead off just doing it.
Regarding fire suppression systems capable of killing you in unprecedented ways, my favourite is the ones on some high voltage electrical transformers. Those use oil for cooling and insulation, and some of them have a water deluge system - the instant it detects a fire, it pours a fucktillion gallons of water on it and drowns it, the idea being draining out the oil and replacing it is a lot easier and cheaper than rebuilding the thing if it burns to the ground. Which it will if the oil catches fire. A deluge system is all well and good til the system fails to detect a fire and then doesn't go off until the oil is already properly alight, at which point it's the water-on-a-pan-of-burning-oil thing only with something approximately the size of a small house. One minute you think you're standing a safe distance from the fucker, the next you're within a large sphere of burning oil droplets.
The industry did learn something out of this... They started putting the people on Accomodation platforms connected to the production platform by truss bridges. They also got into free-fall lifeboats which are pretty wild.
stacks at my university were like that, motorized, and they would occasionally malfunction to try to murder you. At least down there there was a good two-fat-person-wide walkway on all sides of the stack blocks.
When I started listening to WTYPP, it took me the longest time to figure out the difference between which voice was Liam's and which voice was Roz's. I'm usually good with that while listening to podcasts, so I couldn't quite figure out why I couldn't with WTYPP. I later realized, this was the first episode I ever listened to and they swapped around the introductions at the beginning.
I don't remember the context, but I watched a video a while ago wherein someone referred to a doublewide as a house. The video was not about that house. The top comment on that video was: "house" (including quotation marks). I still get mad at that. Enough people found it important to demean some random dude's house for it to be the top comment, just because it didn't live up to their standards. It wasn't a particularly bad doublewide either--the one I grew up in was worse.
My dad, aunt, and uncle have been living together in I think a single-wide, it's like 15ft wide, for 10ish years (forced out of their old house after the 2008 recession). And honestly I've seen apartments that are worse than it. People need to get over themselves.
You need the shelves to be motorised when you work in an archive with halls the size of fotballfields with rows and rows of these. If you need something from the last shelf all the way in the back you would use half the day hand cranking. Also the hand cranked ones have a nasty habbit of just starting to move from small vibrations in the building because they need to slide easily.... but yeah, there is two reasons you keep the bottom shelf free of whatever you are storing in them. Less crazy lifts that will ruin your back and somewhere to squeeze in if the whole thing starts to move while you are in between the shelves.
I’m very happy that they have the fire suppression system on manual when divers are in the water. It’s so absurdly easy to get disoriented underwater, even when you can see the bottom. I can’t imagine being pulled toward a grate out of the blue.
WV could run the content mines for a month, easy. Monongah (or Farmington, or Upper Big Branch, take your pick), Hawks Nest, Buffalo Creek, DuPont Washington Works, and of course Episode 1, the Silver Bridge.
That photo of Troll Alpha (aka Troll A) around 24:37 in the episode: that's just the bit above sea level. It is solid all the way to the sea bed and it barely moves even in rough seas. It's the tallest and heaviest structure ever moved by mankind. I used to work on Troll C which is stabilised in rough weather by adjustable chains. Troll A is bonkers.
I've worked in the hand-crank file stacks in a medical library before. Had to figure out where it was safe to jam my shoe in the track to bring 5 rows to a stop. And it wasn't all 1st year med students about to crush me... some NEVER learn to check for people in the open isle.
Me, the guy who made "The God Damn News" banner... Yeah, it has a slight 1px border so that it could be easily sized for a PowerPoint slide... Wait, I have an idea to fix this for the future... I'll have to give you folks one that doesn't have a border later today.
As someone who has worked in and heard stories about engineering contractors in London, in circa 70s -80s where piper alpha was carried-out, most of the design work was performed by engineers working mostly from the pub. So I suspect the safety meetings might have been a blur
Building a park for residents living in a massive industrial area is very Soviet. Also, very Sim City: shit how do I reduce the pollution from industrial zoning??? Oh I know, BUILD PARKS!
Might I recommend a more light hearted episode topic for the future? I think talking about some FDR New Deal polices, especially the Tennessee Valley Authority, would be a fun and interesting one to talk about.
I worked with a few ex navy divers, and they explained that grates with suction are still dangerous as it can pull the mask off your face and cause you to drown. Fun stuff.
Sometimes there is only one person who is willing to go in the danger zone and hit the stop button, and sometimes they are a non-man whose boot soles are melting because everything's electrified and that's the path to the big switch.
Getting yelled at for saving lives is like 200% a sign you did the right thing.
Was I authorised to do that is the next thing on your mind.
Idea: every time you announce the upcoming Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster episode, throw in like a little factoid of information about that disaster. That way, by episode 100, listeners can piece together an entire hidden bonus episode covering the entirety of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster over the course of 100 2-minute pieces.
Update: there was a live show, and that was the episode about the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster.
@@Lode422 Wait, fuck, really?? If this is a joke I'm gonna be so mad
@@radicalrazel9156 Not a joke, and they've unlocked it for us to watch on the channel. The new joke is that the next episode is about the Boston Molasses Flood.
Tacoma wept
I still wish they'd do this with the Boston molasses disaster
A Catholic, a Muslim, and a Jew walk onto an oil platform...
The oil is torn between being non-existent, ichor and another more existential kind of non-existence.
...and they call themselves "the aristocrats".
Aint the middle east just a huge oil plattform?
@@zyavoosvawleilte1308 Only to the sociopathic.
@@dariusjonna Oh... Well that explains a lot
"The first explosion took out all the controls and everyone who knew how to do anything."
Ah yes, taking lessons from the Imperial Japanese Navy school of damage control
That sounds alot like what drachinifel would say.
@@eagletanker Drachinifel, you say...
Perchance you watch youtuber called The Chieftain as well?
@@PobortzaPl Yes
Oh God the rig is on fire
Real texas city disaster vibes too
Beginning of Episode: Working on an oil rig is great money!
Rest of Episode: here's like 20 ways you can horrifically die through no fault of your own while working on an oil rig
still, money is great
Honestly if it didn't pay so well nobody would bloody do it!
They have to pay so much because of the possibility of instant, horrible death.
The Process Workers’ Song continues...
Process Workers’ Song all over again!
Fun work safety story time! At my first job at a grocery store, I came in one day, and was asked by a supervisor to sign a sheet of paper. I asked what I was signing for. She then told me that the paper is to certify that I have read and understand the fire evacuation procedures. I asked what the fire evacuation procedures were. She told me "You run, I think." and handed me the paper and a pen.
At least she told you something, per US Labor law she did what was required
*YOUR PROBLEM WELL'S THERE*
-Piper Alpha management
Just found. You deserve more upvotes. Updooted.
The most underappreciated comment in the history of underappreciated comments.
This comment made me burst out laughing in the office. 😂
"are you voting for Biden"
"unfortunately"
mood
I voted Libertarian purely for the fact I hate the other two. Let another party rise.
@@redbasher636 the libertarian party is the only party wosre than the other two... Seriously.
@@redbasher636 I'm sure Trump appreciates you
I'm not voting for president this time, if that makes any of you feel worse. I refuse the shit sandwich.
@@KJamesMellick So, did you vote for Clinton last time?
If ever there was a good illustration of why LEAVING THE GOO IN THE GROUND is a good idea, it's this incident.
This incident is a parable of the death of our planet.
"Hey, the thing's on fire. We should shut off the goo pipe."
"I checked and that would make line go down. Goo keeps flowing."
Hey Liam,
I can hear your distress through this. I know I'm just a stranger on the internet, but I hope you're taking care of yourself. You seem like a good person. Be safe and well.
#PraysForLiam
his palpable frustration is how a lot of us in America are feeling right now
@@user-gn5wv2lx5t hahaha
Damn, I hadn't gotten to the 1hr mark when I first read this. Now I'm +1 ing this 100%
@@pmcgee003 well tbh I was joking, I didnt notice him being down. Can you point me to the timestamp?
Great explanation of what happened that night as always guys and girl. But you misconstrued one part that is continuously overlooked by everyone who describes what happened:
Yes, the OIMs onboard the MCP-01, Tartan and Claymore platforms could see Piper burning on the horizon and they didn't have the authority to close their isolation valves. But in reality it didn't actually matter. Even if they stopped export immediately, because the risers ruptured UPSTREAM of Piper's isolation valves there was entirely too much gas inventory in the pipelines themselves for it to make any difference to the final outcome. What was required was SSIVs (subsea isolation valves) which would isolate the pipelines out of reach of the fire (by definition they are underwater). In fact, one of the recommendations of the Cullen Inquiry was to ensure that these valves became a regulatory requirement for all platforms, which they were not at the time.
Also, Liam's parallel with people jumping from the World Trade Center is one that I have used many times to explain this exact thing.
"If you were adults you'd be anarchists" is a strong start.
The lines have been drawn.
@@donborvio oh boy here we go again
@@Full_Otto_Bismarck anachro-Monachrism is the only true ideology
@@DylanWintersteen every man a king
@@donborvio he said anarchist, so ancom
Fun fact: It's against regs to grow a beard on oil rigs due to interfering with the fit of respirators, and that's how you can identify the marine O&G geologists at conferences
The drilling mud is essential for maintaining a safe pressure ratio of oil coming up from the see floor, as it is under immense pressure.
The mud cleans the hole/ retreives rock sample, cools the equipment, sometimes acts as a hydraulic fluid AND helps maintain the pressure equilibrium with what is down hole. Down hole is not always at "immense pressure" some wells are subhydrostatic and require artificial lift methods.
@@channelwanderer7010 so is it pee or not?
@@Bisquick very similar in its versatility. Good mud engineers command good salaries as do good urologists
@@channelwanderer7010 I want to be a mud engineer
@@BlackBirdSweep don'tbe stupid, no you don't
I second Alice with how genuinely unnerving the size that oil rigs can actually get to. Like, it seems impossible that you can build something of that size, and it can just casually be shipped around by some also gigantic Maersk sized transport 😮
We live in the oil age
Love that the wiki page lists this as the costliest man-made disaster at time of explosion.
Won't somebody please think of the profits
We must protect the line as it journeys ever higher
Capitalism is the biggest & most costliest man-made disaster, but yeah you're right, that's dumb.
Justin making the noises of a bored cat at 3 am to get the wrench and then crick-crick-cricking it as soon as he got it is just lovely. Put a smile on my face.
So damn excited to show the class the new tool.
Ratchet wrenches are in everyone’s top 10 tools
@@bobkaminski4666 The only snap on tools I do not regret buying are my 12 ratchet wrenches. despite them being, if I recall correctly, a little over 3000 bucks Canadian, over a decade ago. Even medium quality ratcheting wrenches have a very satisfying blend of mechanical complexity, precise action, and brutal strength when required. Almost all of the snap-on stuff I acquired is exquisite, but when I add up the cost I paid, I am bitter. Then I twirl the butter yet crisp action of one of those ratchets and my smile returns.
If in your travels, you meet God holding your Snap-On 3/4 drive ratchet, God will be bludgeoned.
As one would, given the way the bastard's always on a kipper when these disasters happen.
People: "Oil drilling is dangerous and involves isolation"
Me: sounds fun, if it didn't constitute ecocide this would be a perfect job for me.
"You'll hear a lot about them in Franklin 13."
>implying we're ever getting Franklin 13
It will come out after the Tacoma Narrows bridge episode which is the next episode
We'll see it in 2023
I honestly thought that was a joke but then I heard no laughter
It will actually be titled Franklin 12A
I had to check if there was Franklin 12 and I missed it because like fish, you can't trust UA-cam notifications
RE: dangerous fire suppression systems; I have done a lot of work in data centers with halon fire suppression. you know, the gas that displaces oxygen to put out fires without getting things wet, and is notably bad for humans to breathe. I had the fire alarm go off (false trigger from mouse damage) once while racking a server, and hi-tailed it so fast I bodyslammed through the crash bar and sent the outside door handle through the drywall beside the doorway before the buffer caught the door. ngl I think that was the worst adrenaline spike I've ever had; those doors weighed about 150lbs a piece as they were fire-resistant and steel reinforced.
Guy I used to work with once saw something similar in a data centre with halon fire suppression, only for good measure this had doors that opened inwards and the positive pressure from the halon system would slam the (gigantic and extremely heavy) doors shut when the system went off. Asphyxiation waiting to fucking happen.
When my dad was imbarked in the frigate someone accidentaly triggered the halogen fire suppressions system on the engine room during routine maintenance, the trigger opens the halogen tanks and closes all vent shafts.
My dad was a electrician, so his post was the generator room, like two bulkheads over, he was waiting shift change, thus was not in service. When it happened he and 4 other donning masks and suits where first on scene as a damage control team, they removed 6 casualties, 2 KIA and reset the hole system then vented the room.
jesus...
the freeport heist scene from Tenet must've been a bit triggering for you then huh? (if you've seen it)
I work on aircraft and it's pretty much the same deal. Bigger planes use halon systems for fire suppression but a lot of hangars use foam suppression systems that are a great way to die if someone trips it accidentally. Though I've always been more worried about something like a magnesium fire or a defueling fire than getting killed by a fire suppression system
@Blaire Sovereign it was also featured in terminator 2
Fun Fact about the tharos. It was traded, renaamed and passed around a bit after this incident until it was set up to drill the Macondo well. It was then damaged in Hurricane Ida and replaced by *pause for dramatic effect* Deepwater Horizon.Just so you have a connecting line though the podcasts when you eventually do DWH
man good thing nothing bad happen at deepwater. great choice there
21:55 “You’ve gotta pay the troll toll to get the oil outta the boy’s hole” masterful use of internal rhyme by Liam
DAY MAN aaaaaaAaaaAAAAAH
FIGHTER OF THE NIGHT MAN aaaaaaAaaaAAAAAAH
Used to work on Troll A, it is an interesting and somewhat scary place ;p
10 minute elevator ride down to the bottom of the Riser Shaft and you get to write your name on a piece of gear if you want .>
this line ruined me
As someone who works with diesel trucks all day for his job: oil is a bad thing and we should stop using it if and whenever possible
Wow. You are a hero. Truly.
“You want to do Safety Third?”
You just did for an hour.
(Guitar Riff)
Shake Hands With Danger
@@colonelgraff9198 It's the new BA-DUM-TSSSS
Was sitting here crying in despair about the state of society, now I'm sitting here crying in despair about the state of society while listening to a bitchin' podcast. Hell yeah.
0:10 - Justin aligns with V.
0:45 - Liam introduces the introduction
2:05 - End introductions, start fire
3:25 - COVID causes abortions in cases of legitimate rape
6:33 - The Eagles haven't played the Ravens yet.
11:40 - Liam doesn't know what a double wide is.
13:45 - Contrapment
16:36 - We make oul by digging
19:15 - Franklin plug
21:17 - Deepwater Horizon plug
28:52 - Central Planning Park
39:11 - We begin to look at Billie Piper Alpha
44:30 - Justin cannot read a Process and Flow Diagram
46:35 - Alice impersonates a mechanic
50:13 - Liam demonstrates that he does not know what LOTO is, because if the switch for Pump A was actually locked out and only the engineer who had installed the blank flange had a key, no lost piece of paper would have unlocked the lock.
59:35 - Rescue people!
1:08:11 - Oh, casualties.
1:22:55 - Lots of people go to jail for Christmas
1:24:57 - WTYPP Enthusiastically starts Safety Third
1:31:00 - Milo comes full circle.
1:34:30 - Join the PA Secret Service
1:38:50 - Outros
16:28 Liam reveals he watched John Mulaney
32:27 “Please let this be a normal field trip!”
@GBH Ain't there yet. Takes me a couple of days to get through one of these on breaks.
Didn't expect a reference to The Wire in this.
On the subject of machines moving on their own - and fire/blast protection - let's talk a moment about the loading door on the M1 Abrams MBT. Now the Abrams is a fine vehicle, and one I am inordinately proud to have to trained on. But that goddamn thing will maim the fuck out of you given half the chance. It probably won't outright kill you, but you may wish that it had.
The Abrams, being a red-blooded American machine, doesn't have the wussy crutch of an "automatic loader." Instead it has an exhausted 19-year old and racks of shells. These are divided into two-three racks. The primary, or ready, rack is directly behind the loader; it's the 18 rounds that are immediately available to fire. The secondary, or semi-ready, rack is behind the tank commander. These take fucking forever to transfer to the ready rack, as they have to be moved - two or three at a time - by hand. In the latest models of Abrams there's also a six-round emergency reserve in the hull, and you have to rotate the turret just right to get these out - but they're still more accessible than the semi-ready rack.
If you look at a photo of the Abrams, you'll see that its turret is freaking huge. The ammo magazine is at the back of the turret, facing away from the crew, with big blast panels on top. There are two heavy doors inside the turret, again, to separate the shells from the dudes. This is important for two reasons. First, if enemy fire penetrates the magazine, the explosion should vent out the top of the turret through the blast panels. Second, since the 120mm rounds used by the M256 main gun are mostly cellulose-cased, you do not want any potential flash from inside the turret (such as from an incompletely-combusted case being ejected) reaching them. So thus, the internal blast doors.
The semi-ready rack door is completely manual, since it should only be used outside of immediate combat. The ready rack door, on the other hand, is designed purely to remove fingers. It's opened by the loader kneeing a switch and then closes on its own a second or so after the switch is released. It only takes a couple seconds to close and is moving really fast. It has a switch along its leading edge that should halt it if something is in the way, but literally nothing will stop it closing once it reaches the last couple inches of travel. So if your hand is in the way and you don't move it in a hurry (or remember to hit the knee switch) it will maim you.
Almost worse, if you let it go while you're removing a round from the rack, the door might be going fast enough to smash the cellulose case apart. Now you've got propellant balls all over the inside of the turret, inside and out of the rack. This is, as they say, not ideal. And you've probably dropped the actual shell and brass AFCAP on your feet. And then the door closes.
Now, I never had a direct incident with the loading door myself. However, during OSUT, I once bobbled a shell while getting it out of the ready rack. In the ballsiest move I've ever seen, the tank commander - an older, retired guy overseeing our training - snapped his arm out and grabbed the leading edge of the loading door to make sure it didn't cut the shell - or my arm - in half. The bobbling was one thing, but seeing him instantly put so much faith in a sensitive microswitch installed by the lowest bidder so shocked me that it was that moment when I nearly dropped the round. I recovered, loaded the gun, and we continued with the exercise, but goddamn, what a moment.
...and then I got to my unit and was assigned to a fucking Stryker. So glad I learned the ins and outs of the Abrams only to actually serve on a truck.
Wow, very informative, thank you! I will keep this in mind in case I am drafted for WWIII.
critical support for liam's left-libertarian values ✊✊✊
drug laws bad
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The only good laws are those that piss off motorists
Prohibition bad, taxing good?
@@PhilfreezeCH yes
Guns & Trains good. Everything else bad
Hey Alice if you're reading this, please do actual name and "I'm the person talking right now" roll call on each Trashfuture episode like you do here. They're really helpful for new listeners. I've listened to about 20 TF episodes so far and you are the only voice I actually recognize. I'm still not entirely sure which voice is Milo. So please put those roll calls in!
Milo introduces himself as "Its your boy, Milo." Hes always doing funny voices and the one that always gets pissed and yells 😂
I'm Jimmy, head of Fetus Stoker's Local #111. Currently seeking trimmers and boilermen
As a kid/teenager growing up in Aberdeen (oil hub of Scotland) when Piper Alpha happened, this defined everything as I grew up. Even now people are still obviously incredibly raw about it. So when you hear people laughing about it, it triggers all sorts of emotions in you. But that's far from a bad thing; this shit needs to be talked about openly, and laughing at insanity is healthy. Dark humour personally gets me through most horrible things in life. So yeah, thanks for this episode, peeps. It actually really helped.
don't forget Alice! she's not a gent lol
Good point, my bad. Edited, thanks.
Selling out all the bowls of peas from a Wetherspoons is true Anarchism.
Ah, but Alice is a Leninist. So I guess it's also democratic centralism, in that she democratically centralised all the peas
@@ClaudiaNW Every action is poloticz, but no action is actually centralised democracy. This is anarchy, for it is anarchic.
I love Liams angry compassion
The A in Troll A stands for Asexual, since the oil rig is not attracted to anyone, for reasons that should be obvious.
The Hot Oil Rig discourse about whether the A stands for Ace or Ally was promptly ended when we realised that the evil goo is no one’s ally.
The perfect thing to listen to whilst doing the dishes in online school.
So damn true. It only gets worse :)
We should be pissed off, but I'm so tired of being pissed off and nothing changing
Being pissed off only changes things when conjunting it with bricks or sodium chloride.
Channel that anger and frustration into something that will do long term good
@@donborvio And replace them with nano-thermite. Seriously, no right, plox.
I found Bhopal to be more depressing just by magnitude, but this was pretty bad in and of itself
Join #ExtinctionRebellion? Regenerative culture and you get to put the anger to use
'If you were adults you'd be anarchists' You've made my day and it's night!
Safety Third: Here in Germany I would immediately call the Health and Safety Agency after being told that the safety mechanism is known to be faulty. And there probably would be a safety inspector showing up on Monday morning to shut the whole storage facility down until the safety devices have been repaired and recertified. (Might even come on saturday.)
I love their commentary, don't get me wrong...
but "where's there's just enough space to fit a twink" is the line of the episode.
Heavy moving shelves are also the death of Librarians everywhere that has to go to storage to get the old books. None of them are wellmade, all of them slowly shift towards you while you are looking for the right book and the only way to survive is either keep kicking the shelf back or put a trolley between the shelves. Due to low funding, it will most likely never be fixed as well. So no wonder the libraries of the world has so many ghosts!
re: Alice "Would it kill you to run a hose over them?" - having in-laws in suburban-to-rural Michigan, most of the roads are dirt, any vaguely damp weather your car's gonna be filthy just going to the shops. Yes, you clean it probably weekly, but mud-car is pretty much the default unless you care enough to wash it down every time you use it :p
Can confirm
Oh yeah, you basically just give up mid-winter through spring. So much freaking sand, salt, and mud.
Mother Anarchy Loves Her Sons, turns out ol' man Anderson likes his women a little older
For a moment I mixed Ol´man Anderson and Warren Anderson, CEO of Union Carbide...
Tell Liam he did fine.
You’ve got this, comrade!
You should do a Margret Thatcher special. She's like a cartoon villain.
@@saml7610 well there's your Alice hollers about logistics for four hours
No specific incident; only thatcher
@@saml7610 I don’t think the disaster would be Thatcher, exactly - I think the disaster would be poor Alice’s blood pressure. Liam is an expected casualty at this point. ... and I’m lowkey scared of Justin after last episode.
Holy shit, just found this podcast and now I'm early. I'm stoned and live in Scotland and I'm gonna sya in advance: I am not offended.
stay tuned for the next episode on the tacoma narrows bridge disaster
Considering the cartoonishly extreme level of monopoly in the oil industry, you could say it is, in its own way, a triumph of central planning.
My Principles Of Engineering teacher made around $200 an hour doing underwater welding. He quit because most of his coworkers lost limbs, and he could feel his lifespan shortening.
You should do the Alexander L. Keilland disaster in 1980 . That was when a drilling platform that had been converted to a "floatel" as accomodation for oil rig workers collasped into the sea in a storm - 123 died. It's horrific.
Ocean Ranger would also be a good one.
Thank god you chose this oil rig disaster. Byford Dolphin still gives me nightmares
the reason why it was a firewall and not an explosion wall is because the platform was originally designed only for crude production which is only combustible rather than explosive like gas is and lol at spending a ton of money retrofitting that shit
Wow, I cannot imagine life unaware of the vaunted doublewide. The midwest must be a very strange place when you're not from there.
Liam kicking off the podcast with a good point
I don't think I've laughed at anything harder than alice's story about the bowls of peas
(Cross-posted from the technicals comments.)
Listen, children, to a podcast, 'twas recorded long ago
About a spoil-heap on a mountain and the children crushed below,
Airplanes crashing, cruise ships sinking, malls with roofs collapsing in,
Bosses kill a bunch of people and it seems they always win.
Go ahead and build a shitty bridge, put a nightclub on a pier,
Do it just to make the line go up, never listen to an engineer,
It might cost you half an Xbox on the judgment day,
And the bloody morning after, one shareholder rides away.
(To the tune of One Tin Soldier.)
its been many years, and Liam's anger at the start of the episode STILL hits nice and hard
You guys were thinking of the Regeneron antibody treatment, not Remdesivir (which, to the best of my knowledge, is only proven to shorten the course of the disease, not actually save lives).
As some somewhere said:
Regeneron
Like a drug that was being tested in facility that's a point zero for zombie apocalypse.
regeneron is the company that summons demons or accidentally releases zombie mutants in a post apocalyptic movie
So the problem with explosive decompression is it’s not very cinematic. Sounds fancy, but it’s mostly people boo-hooing about their eyes bleeding or coughing up pink foam that used to be their lungs. Kind of disappointing from a horror movie perspective .
Except for the Byford Dolphin.
The rig had just recovered its diving bell and the four divers were transferring to the decompression chamber. I don’t know exactly how long they were supposed to decompress, but the chamber had sleeping bunks. So when a worker outside the chamber accidentally released a locking collar before the hatch was closed, the divers were instantly decompressed from nine atmospheres to one. The rapid change not only formed bubbles in the divers’ blood, it made their blood literally boil. The unlucky diver who was closing the hatch had his internal organs squeezed out through the crescent-shaped opening in a spray pattern. There is an autopsy report behind a paywall. I, for one, am glad for the paywall.
I don’t know if it’s enough to make an episode from. The basic lesson is don’t design a locking collar that can instantly kill people.
I worked on oil platforms in the gulf for a few years, and in safety courses the instructor would cheerfully tell us that jumping off the platform was survivable up to 100ft or so. Just point your hands up and lock your legs together, and don't be suprised when your tightly laced steel toe boots just disappear when you hit the water.
I was thinking, people cliff dive from those heights all the time. Its survivable but Idk I don't know how fun it would be.
Around the 20 minute mark I had a brain fart and thought "Why would they name a boat Windows?
"
Hey guys I've got a good one you can do, the Ufa Train Disaster. It combines all your favorite things! Pipelines, USSR working culture, explosions, and trains. Seems like it could make a decent episode.
Oh boy I spent the last few weeks making my way through the series and now Im able to watch the new one as soon as it comes out.
Liam reveals his power level.
We must duel.
it was me! i was the one who made liam change his twitter handle!
Bless you
o7
I love that every episode begins and ends like a Boomer trying to send a text with speech recognition
Because it does. Either that or hitting the bong first before doing the podcast shows.
I've only ever seen hand-cranked shelves. Probably because they're cheaper, but also because there's just more stuff to go wrong (with the automatic ones) which makes them more dangerous.
"as far as I know the sea is not on fire"
I mean I know this can happen but occasionally you hear a sentence that just makes you go "what a fucking world we have created"
I dont know what shocks me more. The managment guy deniing the closing off the valves, or the worker, who was so indoctrinated, that he even asked, instead off just doing it.
Regarding fire suppression systems capable of killing you in unprecedented ways, my favourite is the ones on some high voltage electrical transformers. Those use oil for cooling and insulation, and some of them have a water deluge system - the instant it detects a fire, it pours a fucktillion gallons of water on it and drowns it, the idea being draining out the oil and replacing it is a lot easier and cheaper than rebuilding the thing if it burns to the ground. Which it will if the oil catches fire. A deluge system is all well and good til the system fails to detect a fire and then doesn't go off until the oil is already properly alight, at which point it's the water-on-a-pan-of-burning-oil thing only with something approximately the size of a small house. One minute you think you're standing a safe distance from the fucker, the next you're within a large sphere of burning oil droplets.
I now want Justin to end every episode with a variation on "How do I stop this?"
Unsure if these disasters are becoming less disastrous or if ive become jaded by all the disasters
The industry did learn something out of this... They started putting the people on Accomodation platforms connected to the production platform by truss bridges. They also got into free-fall lifeboats which are pretty wild.
The dramatic way that Safety Third story was told was absolutely amazing.
I like how the tug pulling the concrete fixed platform has the Activate Windows livery
stacks at my university were like that, motorized, and they would occasionally malfunction to try to murder you. At least down there there was a good two-fat-person-wide walkway on all sides of the stack blocks.
When I started listening to WTYPP, it took me the longest time to figure out the difference between which voice was Liam's and which voice was Roz's. I'm usually good with that while listening to podcasts, so I couldn't quite figure out why I couldn't with WTYPP. I later realized, this was the first episode I ever listened to and they swapped around the introductions at the beginning.
I don't remember the context, but I watched a video a while ago wherein someone referred to a doublewide as a house. The video was not about that house. The top comment on that video was: "house" (including quotation marks). I still get mad at that. Enough people found it important to demean some random dude's house for it to be the top comment, just because it didn't live up to their standards. It wasn't a particularly bad doublewide either--the one I grew up in was worse.
My dad, aunt, and uncle have been living together in I think a single-wide, it's like 15ft wide, for 10ish years (forced out of their old house after the 2008 recession). And honestly I've seen apartments that are worse than it. People need to get over themselves.
@@killerbee.13 So long as there are empty homes and/or unhoused people, nobody gets to demean anyone for how poor a home they inhabit.
You need the shelves to be motorised when you work in an archive with halls the size of fotballfields with rows and rows of these. If you need something from the last shelf all the way in the back you would use half the day hand cranking. Also the hand cranked ones have a nasty habbit of just starting to move from small vibrations in the building because they need to slide easily.... but yeah, there is two reasons you keep the bottom shelf free of whatever you are storing in them. Less crazy lifts that will ruin your back and somewhere to squeeze in if the whole thing starts to move while you are in between the shelves.
I’m very happy that they have the fire suppression system on manual when divers are in the water. It’s so absurdly easy to get disoriented underwater, even when you can see the bottom. I can’t imagine being pulled toward a grate out of the blue.
Alice getting every last use out of that drop at every opportunity
Few things have given me the same cursed energy as watching a pontoon oil rig move in a big wave
please look at doing the DuPont/ “Dark Waters” poisonings
WV could run the content mines for a month, easy. Monongah (or Farmington, or Upper Big Branch, take your pick), Hawks Nest, Buffalo Creek, DuPont Washington Works, and of course Episode 1, the Silver Bridge.
@Joe Average With that major dam failure in Michigan that inundated a duPont plant as well, somehow this all manages to come together.
@Joe Average only thing you can do is switch to cast iron
@@justinokraski3796 that's a small part of total teflon production
That photo of Troll Alpha (aka Troll A) around 24:37 in the episode: that's just the bit above sea level. It is solid all the way to the sea bed and it barely moves even in rough seas. It's the tallest and heaviest structure ever moved by mankind. I used to work on Troll C which is stabilised in rough weather by adjustable chains. Troll A is bonkers.
I've worked in the hand-crank file stacks in a medical library before. Had to figure out where it was safe to jam my shoe in the track to bring 5 rows to a stop. And it wasn't all 1st year med students about to crush me... some NEVER learn to check for people in the open isle.
No backup control facilities or procedures. Fantastic design right there
Tacoma Narrows Bridge Episode next week?!
Oh, very much looking forward to finally see it!
At last. Once again.
From this and the 9/11 episode its pretty clear fireproofing needs to be much sturdier
Me, the guy who made "The God Damn News" banner... Yeah, it has a slight 1px border so that it could be easily sized for a PowerPoint slide... Wait, I have an idea to fix this for the future...
I'll have to give you folks one that doesn't have a border later today.
As someone who has worked in and heard stories about engineering contractors in London, in circa 70s -80s where piper alpha was carried-out, most of the design work was performed by engineers working mostly from the pub. So I suspect the safety meetings might have been a blur
"I knew a guy who looked like this once"
And his name was Derrick.
Also, the Tharos sounds like the name of a ship in an old sci-fi book.
Building a park for residents living in a massive industrial area is very Soviet. Also, very Sim City: shit how do I reduce the pollution from industrial zoning??? Oh I know, BUILD PARKS!
Might I recommend a more light hearted episode topic for the future? I think talking about some FDR New Deal polices, especially the Tennessee Valley Authority, would be a fun and interesting one to talk about.
actually the richest country in the history of mankind was the Mali empire and failing that Augsburg under Jakob Fugger
I worked with a few ex navy divers, and they explained that grates with suction are still dangerous as it can pull the mask off your face and cause you to drown. Fun stuff.
My university library has some of those motorized moving shelves, and now I feel absolutely validated in my terror of them
Sometimes there is only one person who is willing to go in the danger zone and hit the stop button, and sometimes they are a non-man whose boot soles are melting because everything's electrified and that's the path to the big switch.
“Would it kill you to run a hose over them?”
Brilliant, Alice! 😂
Liam is right about pretty much everything :/
Still trying to figure out how you can “LOTO” something without physically interrupting the hazardous energy source