As someone who 100% demons crest, the air control and zoning feel great. He doesn’t have the point blank instant fireball but I guess that’s what the purple fire super is supposed to be
See this is why plays mid-Low tiers and high tiers I love the underfeeling stuff and the oh your char is shit deal XD. you beat their ass then their like oh... LOL
JMCrofts and ApologyMan?! You love to see it! Bon Voyage being +10 on block is still so insane. I think my favorite tech for beating firebrand is just to take the hit LOL. I'd love to see ApologyMan have a good run at Evo this year
Lol same. Lobster explains the meta so well. Literally the only reason I haven't picked up the game now is for lack of time. Keep up the good work yall
Never forgotten, everytime Firebrands on screen someone will complain about the unblockable. He’s so theory, has a lot of tools that’s needed in Marvel but he lacks in damage and execution is pretty hard with him. Wall cling fireball is hard tech and not many players have been able to control the gargoyle, plus he won’t kill unless you hardtag or tac. Firebrand and Modok are too absolutely absurd characters that are hard to play but have a lot to offer. Like in theory Modok wins like well over 3/4 of cast, he can block basically everything, his reset game is nasty, and his neutral has a lot of tools., Firebrand theory is once he gets the hit he wins.
There's a couple of things worth mentioning about the firebrand meta and why he's just not the top tier monster you'd think he could be (long post). First of all, like apologyman mentioned, he's a setup character, which means you really are playing JUST firebrand, and without doom and skrull, firebrand really does not fly high, so it's not just that you're working for firebrand, it's also that you have to give him an entire team so he can get to work. It's a very very committed team that crumbles once one thing goes south and a lot of people simply do not find that fun or appealing. Again, you're playing just firebrand. Second thing, and imo the most interesting factor here, is that in the context of fighting against competitive teams, firebrand really does clap vergil but almost exclusively only vergil. Which probably makes you think "well then why isn't marvel 3 meta full of firebrands then if everyone plays vergil?" This where most people who are not very familiar with marvel 3 will get triggered, because get this: *vergil isn't the most violent criminal in marvel 3* Don't get me wrong, he's still fucking broken, but he's not the criminal that you think he is because vergil gets clapped by anyone on incoming mixup. This is why every doom vergil team will use doom as the tool that he is to dhc into vergil safely for vergil time, so sure, once he gets to play it's fucking scary, but when it's his turn to block, he is not better than phoenix wright. In other words, you don't need a firebrand team to open him up, you just need a good meaty set up with your team. Also, final note, Jm's team beats firebrand free. He just needed to put hawkeye on point and spam with hidden missiles. Firebrand cannot handle teams that can zone decently, let alone morrigan. This is honestly the nail in the coffin for firebrand teams, because zoning is an extremely popular tactic in mvc3 that's not just about morridoom or zero. Hawkeye is very problematic for firebrand but also Magento deals with him pretty well too. Also, dedicated chris redfield teams can be a problem as well, which are surprisingly more successful than people think. The firebrand life therefore falls under niche, and not the meta.
i mean, a lot of top tier point characters cant deal with projectile spamming either except maybe magneto and nova, especially doom which technically isnt a point character but still get destroyed hard in most popular matchups with zoning (Which firebrand also excel at even tho his fireballs lose to most projectiles). In which case he can still rely on his backup plan with xfactor 3 skrull. And sure Vergil can lose to mixups, but he will lose to an unblockable, its not really fair to compare meaty set up to a straight up unblockable move imo, not to mention firebrand also has excellent mixup tools. And i mean, i disagree with the first point being that he can't function without a team, his buttons are good and can challenge a lot of top tier if played right, also from your description it seems like the coach steve shell is basically the same, very committed team that becomes weaker when they lose either spencer or nova
Firebrand is such a cool and underrated Capcom character. I was happy when he made it into MvC and seeing the heights to which Apologyman took the character was so much fun.
Being a huge fan of Firebrand from the Gargoyle's Quest/Demon's Crest series, I was so hype to see him in MvC. Unfortunately, I'm trash in fighting games, and didn't even get to play with him. It's neat to see him in action.
Taskmaster retains a ton of momentum from his spidey-swing cancelled into (down shooting) arrows. If you're playing a zoning game you can get some tricky projectile cross-ups if you work that in.
I did my best at this game with a team of Firebrand, Nova and Hulk. Dunno shit about tiers or synergy or anything else, but I was racking up wins pretty consistently. Man, this makes me wanna go play some more.
Lythero's Lobby Shenanigans videos were some of the first fighting game videos I watched, so Marvel 3 has a special place in my heart. Glad to be seeing it more often :D
Always wanted to play Firebrand as a big fan of Demon's Crest and GnG, but skill barrier was much too high for me. Awesome to see this showcase of how much he can shine with top tier execution. Thanks for the video!
love seeing apologyman unblockable people to death also, i didn't know you played TvC JM! it was my first intro to fighting games too! good times :) (and now that i've kicked the RQ habit and have better general understanding, probably better times :p)
We love ApologyMan here. A great and humble guy that likes playing unique characters to make them work. But we also never forget that the man warms up the milk for his cereal. Don't think that I forgot, Vineeth.
Been loving this format of content. However, when you finish the theory/talking portion of the video and get to the matches try to remember to up the volume on the game. Since you get focused it creates dead air during matches.
@@jaksida300 What you mean is that you don't care about class in fighting games. Not that it doesn't exist in fighting games which is a nonsensical thing to say.
@@narukami597 Explain what you mean about “class” then. No one is going to go easy on you based on an arbitrary set of class guidelines. The only thing that comes close is anti-infinite rulings in tournaments that limit how many reps of an infinite you can do or only entering online tournaments where you have a good online connection to other players.
@@narukami597 Firebrand is a very volatile character and by no means the strongest. He relies on getting those essential hits to set up his unblockables for his win condition. He requires very specific team combinations to get his full worth. Even Apologyman admits that the team is weak if he loses Firebrand. It’s a very different style of play compared to most other teams. There are teams that can thrive in many more scenarios and are more modular. Firebrand mains are usually stuck with using Skrull or Amaterasu if they want to setup their unblockables.
I love how drastically Apology Man’s strategy and execution change the very second he goes to p2 side. Seriously if you watch high level matches with apology man you can see the opponent trying to get on player one side to mess Apology Man up.
I think you can gimlet xfactor out of the unblockable. Also you just gotta use hawkeye super more. Just snipe something xfactor. Just keep practicing you'll get it down.
I used to play Firebrand on Anchor but this is mind-blowing and makes me wish this game got a re-release on a modern console or even Steam. This combo is nuts, I wonder if Doom is replaceable though as I really hate using him.
One of my first introduction to Firebrand was actually Zak Bannet vs Apologyman where Zak Bannet do that Amazing Perfect round with his Firebrand, Doom, Ame team.....
I don’t really play that much UMVC3 but can someone tell me what the Firebrand install super does? (When he turns white) (Also if you want to know my team it’s Spidey, Dante, Cap)
Luminous Body increases his speed by 25%. Movement, recovery, and attack. Improves his mix up and zoning games and allows him to combo certain things that he normally can't without the install.
So that’s why he’s top tier also the unblockable, +10 dive kick, damage and zoning, Luminous Body, and good matchups against the cast. Damn on paper he looks like the best character in the game 😂😂😂
Could you imagine if there was a game where you could tag in hit stun, but you can only continue to attack with the incoming character if your attack lands on your opponents attacking character.
Apologyman arguably solved a meta. As he mentioned he was tired of losing to Vergil Doom. This guy took two overlooked characters and made a team actual pro's playing the toppest of top tier would shudder against.
Apologyman wont admit it that he copied that Firebrand strategy. Read somewhere in comments that Apologyman was beaten pretty bad by a Firebrand and Sentinel team after that he kinda hibernate for a while labbing and then showup in a tourney with his new team
They really captured how oppressive it feels to fight against firebrand in ghosts n' goblins.
Exactly! Everything is fine, until its not. Then its REALLY not lol
As someone who 100% demons crest, the air control and zoning feel great. He doesn’t have the point blank instant fireball but I guess that’s what the purple fire super is supposed to be
See this is why plays mid-Low tiers and high tiers I love the underfeeling stuff and the oh your char is shit deal XD. you beat their ass then their like oh... LOL
his unblockable is what always gets in me ghosts n gobblers
This game makes you feel like firebrand
JMCrofts and ApologyMan?! You love to see it! Bon Voyage being +10 on block is still so insane. I think my favorite tech for beating firebrand is just to take the hit LOL. I'd love to see ApologyMan have a good run at Evo this year
Not knowing much about marvel, you were who introduced me to apologyman haha
Lol same. Lobster explains the meta so well. Literally the only reason I haven't picked up the game now is for lack of time. Keep up the good work yall
Never forgotten, everytime Firebrands on screen someone will complain about the unblockable. He’s so theory, has a lot of tools that’s needed in Marvel but he lacks in damage and execution is pretty hard with him. Wall cling fireball is hard tech and not many players have been able to control the gargoyle, plus he won’t kill unless you hardtag or tac. Firebrand and Modok are too absolutely absurd characters that are hard to play but have a lot to offer. Like in theory Modok wins like well over 3/4 of cast, he can block basically everything, his reset game is nasty, and his neutral has a lot of tools., Firebrand theory is once he gets the hit he wins.
JWong said he has very strong setplay, and it tracks.
The best thing about Firebrand is that his theme is incredible.
Soooo... you're saying he sucks🤔
one of the best themes in the game. top 10 imo
Sounds like Pantera meets Nightwish
What does this have to do with he's badass combos😑 like u could do em 😂
@@Kiddingyoumust did azu edit his comment?
Watching apology man giggle while destroying someone is hilarious.
This is why Apologyman's characters aren't allowed to be good. Look at what he becomes when you let him cook.
and i love the salt when my man KBR beat him in EVO, he wasn't giggling that much that day xD
Apologyman has to be the sweatiest pro player ever, he's so entertaining to watch
There's a couple of things worth mentioning about the firebrand meta and why he's just not the top tier monster you'd think he could be (long post).
First of all, like apologyman mentioned, he's a setup character, which means you really are playing JUST firebrand, and without doom and skrull, firebrand really does not fly high, so it's not just that you're working for firebrand, it's also that you have to give him an entire team so he can get to work. It's a very very committed team that crumbles once one thing goes south and a lot of people simply do not find that fun or appealing. Again, you're playing just firebrand.
Second thing, and imo the most interesting factor here, is that in the context of fighting against competitive teams, firebrand really does clap vergil but almost exclusively only vergil. Which probably makes you think "well then why isn't marvel 3 meta full of firebrands then if everyone plays vergil?" This where most people who are not very familiar with marvel 3 will get triggered, because get this: *vergil isn't the most violent criminal in marvel 3*
Don't get me wrong, he's still fucking broken, but he's not the criminal that you think he is because vergil gets clapped by anyone on incoming mixup. This is why every doom vergil team will use doom as the tool that he is to dhc into vergil safely for vergil time, so sure, once he gets to play it's fucking scary, but when it's his turn to block, he is not better than phoenix wright. In other words, you don't need a firebrand team to open him up, you just need a good meaty set up with your team.
Also, final note, Jm's team beats firebrand free. He just needed to put hawkeye on point and spam with hidden missiles. Firebrand cannot handle teams that can zone decently, let alone morrigan. This is honestly the nail in the coffin for firebrand teams, because zoning is an extremely popular tactic in mvc3 that's not just about morridoom or zero. Hawkeye is very problematic for firebrand but also Magento deals with him pretty well too. Also, dedicated chris redfield teams can be a problem as well, which are surprisingly more successful than people think.
The firebrand life therefore falls under niche, and not the meta.
i mean, a lot of top tier point characters cant deal with projectile spamming either except maybe magneto and nova, especially doom which technically isnt a point character but still get destroyed hard in most popular matchups with zoning (Which firebrand also excel at even tho his fireballs lose to most projectiles). In which case he can still rely on his backup plan with xfactor 3 skrull. And sure Vergil can lose to mixups, but he will lose to an unblockable, its not really fair to compare meaty set up to a straight up unblockable move imo, not to mention firebrand also has excellent mixup tools. And i mean, i disagree with the first point being that he can't function without a team, his buttons are good and can challenge a lot of top tier if played right, also from your description it seems like the coach steve shell is basically the same, very committed team that becomes weaker when they lose either spencer or nova
Firebrand is such a cool and underrated Capcom character. I was happy when he made it into MvC and seeing the heights to which Apologyman took the character was so much fun.
Being a huge fan of Firebrand from the Gargoyle's Quest/Demon's Crest series, I was so hype to see him in MvC. Unfortunately, I'm trash in fighting games, and didn't even get to play with him. It's neat to see him in action.
Taskmaster retains a ton of momentum from his spidey-swing cancelled into (down shooting) arrows. If you're playing a zoning game you can get some tricky projectile cross-ups if you work that in.
I'm loving the UMVC3 content, and I really appreciate learning more about the game.
I can't be convinced that Smash didn't draw inspiration from Firebrand when designing Ridley's kit.
Ngl i use Ridley's red alt to honor Firebrand, he's one of my favorite characters
I did my best at this game with a team of Firebrand, Nova and Hulk. Dunno shit about tiers or synergy or anything else, but I was racking up wins pretty consistently. Man, this makes me wanna go play some more.
The man. The myth. The one who eats his cereal with hot milk.
*YOU WHAT?!*
He's combos are so badass
You’re one of my many inspirations thank you for the amazing video Jmcrofts!
Lythero's Lobby Shenanigans videos were some of the first fighting game videos I watched, so Marvel 3 has a special place in my heart. Glad to be seeing it more often :D
You do great content, jm. Your enthusiasm is s- tier. Salute.
Always wanted to play Firebrand as a big fan of Demon's Crest and GnG, but skill barrier was much too high for me. Awesome to see this showcase of how much he can shine with top tier execution. Thanks for the video!
Great Vid! You should get Kane Blue River to talk about Hulk & Haggar
"It's +10 on block" *JMC's brain explodes*
I love this red gremnlin man, he was one of the characters I was most excited to try out in the upgrade to Ultimate
The surprise at the first hit death lmao Apology is an insane player and you too for keeping up with him!
Firebrand needs more references to his SNES game, I say.
love seeing apologyman unblockable people to death
also, i didn't know you played TvC JM! it was my first intro to fighting games too! good times :) (and now that i've kicked the RQ habit and have better general understanding, probably better times :p)
Apologyman with the lore accurate Firebrand
I love how apologyman maintains the concentration when he's doing his infinites and tries to keep the conversation going :P
We love ApologyMan here. A great and humble guy that likes playing unique characters to make them work. But we also never forget that the man warms up the milk for his cereal. Don't think that I forgot, Vineeth.
Firebrand is actually my favorite character to play as, but not my favorite to play their "Meta".
Been loving this format of content. However, when you finish the theory/talking portion of the video and get to the matches try to remember to up the volume on the game. Since you get focused it creates dead air during matches.
I met Apo Man irl in Singapore, he was great! Super focused on his games but was nice enough to have a small convo with him. MAHVEL BABY
I LOVE Firebrand. Hes my main in umvc3. He might be the most fun, and catching people in the demon swoop is my fave. Such a fun character.
It's funny what you said about the last match, because me and my mate used to say on our last game "whoever wins this wins Evo" 😂
Apology seems so nice! Very fun matches!
I love how in every one of these guest MVC3 videos Jm gets bodied but he doesn’t even care
To be fair any of us would get bodied
He got a kill tho 😂
I always loved watching people play cheap teams like Apology's team and ChrisG's team. It's like watching someone play a bossfight lol
Have you even heard of a concept called "class" my guy?
@@narukami597 “Class” isn’t a thing in competitive fighting games. Playing teams like Firebrand/Skrull isn’t inherently bad.
@@jaksida300 What you mean is that you don't care about class in fighting games. Not that it doesn't exist in fighting games which is a nonsensical thing to say.
@@narukami597 Explain what you mean about “class” then. No one is going to go easy on you based on an arbitrary set of class guidelines. The only thing that comes close is anti-infinite rulings in tournaments that limit how many reps of an infinite you can do or only entering online tournaments where you have a good online connection to other players.
@@narukami597 Firebrand is a very volatile character and by no means the strongest. He relies on getting those essential hits to set up his unblockables for his win condition. He requires very specific team combinations to get his full worth. Even Apologyman admits that the team is weak if he loses Firebrand. It’s a very different style of play compared to most other teams.
There are teams that can thrive in many more scenarios and are more modular. Firebrand mains are usually stuck with using Skrull or Amaterasu if they want to setup their unblockables.
Firebrand is a forgotten character overall, I really wish we could get the Demon's series remastered or remade for modern consoles.
Agree. The Ghouls and Goblins remake fumbled hard. I'd love a reimagining on demons crest on something new at this point
I loved Firebrand, my team was him, Nova and Ghostrider :p not high tier at all but fun to play 😂
mvc feels like the yugioh of fighting games
No one could ever put it any better
I’ve seen someone comment that Yugioh is the mvc of card games before too
@@stinkyboy101 even more true
I love how drastically Apology Man’s strategy and execution change the very second he goes to p2 side. Seriously if you watch high level matches with apology man you can see the opponent trying to get on player one side to mess Apology Man up.
I'm a firebrand main. Happy to see him getting love
I'd love to see a Marvel vs Capcom 4. Just tone down Xfactor and add more characters
It's called "Dragon Ball Fighterz"
I mean, infinite?
@@itloaf infinite has so many cut characters, and it sucks
ApologyMan is such a nice guy and player, glad we have him in our community ❤
Moving with special move is like using run with El Fuete.
Yoooo I remember when apology man made waves!I was rooting for you!!
this is the kind of FGC content we like to see
Apology man is goated in fighting games
I'm pretty sure the set against Zak bennett was what made apologyman consider firebrand 😂
That was a swaggy ass whoopin that will never leave my head
I love how compared to mothman apologyman was so verbal, the mothman video was as silent as a desert
Ran into Vineeth when I was in college. Was always a pleasure to have him come to our locals to wash everyone in Dragon Ball
Firebrand is a good character
He’s just really difficult to be good with in this fast ass game
I think you can gimlet xfactor out of the unblockable. Also you just gotta use hawkeye super more. Just snipe something xfactor. Just keep practicing you'll get it down.
Really hoping if theres another MvC we get em back. This lad cheesed so many games for me. Plus just kinda like the "monster" lookin characters.
"oh no, we're going out on the 5 golden letters?" P-E-R-F-E-C-T .....that math aint mathin lol
Shout outs to Ricky Ortiz! Cmon JM, you thought you could fight a former 2nd placer at EVO?
Forgotten? Not really. Hand breaking to play and incredibly precise? Yes
justin wongs wolverine or akuma would be a sick video
@11:07 nice tech you have been awarded with a 50/50. Me: lol fuck this game
I used to play Firebrand on Anchor but this is mind-blowing and makes me wish this game got a re-release on a modern console or even Steam. This combo is nuts, I wonder if Doom is replaceable though as I really hate using him.
I love players like Apologyman and iHeartJustice. I can't believe 10 years later and some tools are still playing Virgil, Zero, and Mag lol
Literally just watched the PapaLobster video about this guy
Loving this series, you should check out TA_Wolf's Haggar if you ever wanna make a feature on that character!
Yoooooo! My favorite Marvel player. Hell yeah!
Do you think either of you are going to play marvel 3 at evo? I think either of you would do very well.
ApologyMan is playing for sure, he's on the grind! I will likely not be entering anything this year
@jmcrofts why not?
One of my first introduction to Firebrand was actually Zak Bannet vs Apologyman where Zak Bannet do that Amazing Perfect round with his Firebrand, Doom, Ame team.....
My two favourite FGC guys in one video
Have to go into another channel's comments to say I'm excited for the mvc3 #APOLOGYMANSWEEP
The only time you didn’t bring Arthur!! And It’s against fire brand... for shame lol gg’s tho
i was hoping he would do that scrubeks super skrull havoc combo :(
Your taskmaster should have used counter commands it the answer to the unblockable
Taskmaster on screen, my fav character
Cant you push block assists? Could you push block the skrull assist and super jump avoiding Firebrand? Or does that not work because frame data?
It's a shame that jm lost the last game, but since that's the only one i remember, i assume he won all of the others.
A real talk i cant get none of these doom fire brand combos to work. Anybody got any tutorials anywhere
Would be nice if dc would get a game like this
was 21:14 really jm's first non dropped combo?
Hey JM, what mod are you using that displays the damage?
fun fact: you can air dash out of the unblockable :)
Love Firebrand! He's my anchor on every single team
is Taskmasters arrows 3 durability per arrow or 1 each for a total of 3 durability?
I don’t really play that much UMVC3 but can someone tell me what the Firebrand install super does? (When he turns white) (Also if you want to know my team it’s Spidey, Dante, Cap)
Luminous Body increases his speed by 25%. Movement, recovery, and attack. Improves his mix up and zoning games and allows him to combo certain things that he normally can't without the install.
So that’s why he’s top tier also the unblockable, +10 dive kick, damage and zoning, Luminous Body, and good matchups against the cast. Damn on paper he looks like the best character in the game 😂😂😂
Is this a re-upload or did I watch a video about the same guy from another channel?
Ok but when are you gonna talk about the Les Miserables fighting game?
Big fan of this series
Could you imagine if there was a game where you could tag in hit stun, but you can only continue to attack with the incoming character if your attack lands on your opponents attacking character.
YESSSSSSS more umvc3 content
Wasi the only one shocked at apologymams voice???
Apologyman arguably solved a meta. As he mentioned he was tired of losing to Vergil Doom. This guy took two overlooked characters and made a team actual pro's playing the toppest of top tier would shudder against.
Bruh. Firebrand out here playing marvel 2 with these unblockables lmao
Brother you gotta keep the format. Didn't think this was from the character-expert series you are doing and almost didn't click.
Apologyman wont admit it that he copied that Firebrand strategy. Read somewhere in comments that Apologyman was beaten pretty bad by a Firebrand and Sentinel team after that he kinda hibernate for a while labbing and then showup in a tourney with his new team
kinda wish i tried that character now lol
Should play with Pzpoy if you can would be cool video
Firebrand? You mean Red Arremer?
I hate that Dragonball resets neutral, hold this incoming lil guy
Why the reupload?
that is the cheapest than ive ever seen. i love it.
hit you so hard you lost 2 letters
This channels mvc vids remind me of little z getting owned by pro players
Love how we push the narrative that this guy came up with this tech when it was Zak bennet
at least firebrand is a very good top tier
Dude that was disgusting lol very cool to see