At 17 I had to go through vaginoplastical surgery due to medical issues completely unrelated to gender. The surgical part and the treatment afterwards were similar to what kids who transition go through. It's been over twenty years, and can honestly say that was the most devastatingly painful, horrific experience of my life, both physically and emotionally. At the time of the surgery I had no psychological nor emotional issues and was an emotionally stable teenager and the experience still shattered me! I can't imagine what it could to an emotionally unstable, depressed child! It makes my blood boil at the sheer viciousness and hypocrisy of it all! You ladies are actually amazing and brave. And Benjamin is an incredible interviewer.
@@BenjaminABoyce No most certainly they are not be taken lightly & many of these very complex surgery's are done .If only peple that will do really well were vetted for the surgery AND only really competent reconstructive surgeons did these and not "cosmetic" surgeons. The surgery can go very well.... have not heard those interviews....
@@non_ideological_transexual7414 They are not ‘reconstructive’ surgeries because they are creating something new to replace the sexed genitalia. As people age, the damage caused will get worse. Mature adults choosing this is completely different to teenagers and barely adults ‘choosing’ it. Many of the men choosing this have already had families, an option often removed from young people 😢.
@@bh148 First only very experienced recontructive surgeons are able to do these effectively so that they have good technical results & so you saying " reconstructive" is just semantics , neovaginas are made . You obviously do not know the type presentation pathsways to wanting this nor what would make someone successful long term whether a teen or older ( the typical men who have had children are a different type again ). Much good research has been done by researchers on this subject years ago and now is almost exclusively ignored hence AT THIS TIME many having surgery's that they should not . Because there are actually gendered sex roles within us that mostly align with our sex and opposite sex roles is WHY though i am sure you would deny this . Why should effeminate males HAVE to partner with "Gay" men when they would prefer heterosexual men who ARE different ? ( Mostly young males of course) . By the way same sex couples cannot have children naturally together nor do heterosexual women want to have children with very non typical males ( unmasculine).....the feminists are lying when they say we will be accepted as partners ....and just want allies against the "Patriarchy" . We should have good diagnostic investigation ( gatekeeping ) and you can stop fear mongering about "long term affects" .
@@bh148I am a trans woman who had vaginoplasty 30 years ago. I had no complications, I was riding my bike again 3 weeks after having the surgery; at 62 my health is excellent, after a year I never had to dilate again & it has stayed patent & supple all these years, it’s very sensitive, orgasmic, and having intercourse as a woman has been 100x more satisfying than sex as a man. Getting a vagina is the best thing I ever did. People that want to make these surgeries illegal or difficult to get, are quite simply awful bigots.
One of the delightful things about this chat was that it took place between three not just very intelligent but also very calm , warm and smiling people 🥰
Love this, such a pleasure hearing from Stella and Sasha. In my friend circle, a mixture of straight and gay men, I find in the past 6 months people are less scared about speaking out against the gender narrative, I feel these discussion have been priceless on allow me to discuss them eloquently, thank you both
This is somehow already an impactful white pill for me, hearing these two women talk about the retreat, just knowing this kind of thing is being put together. The beaming positive energy transmitting through is pretty infectious in a super uplifting way. 👍
Most X are Y doesn’t mean most Y are X. Most gender nonconforming boys become gay adults doesn’t mean boys who become gay are all gender nonconforming.
Speaking of losing your job, I moved to Canada to work for a company (Ubisoft Toronto) and was fired one day with NO WARNING for arguing against trans ideology. Not at work mind you -- on social media, which is none of my employer's business. Fired IMMEDIATELY when pulled into a zoom meeting with no chance to stand up for myself. This is the same Ubisoft that refused to fire SEXUAL HARASSERS. This world has gone absolutely mad.
@eiyukabe … This is a horrible story, but is far, far, far too common. The cult is so totally consumed with self-righteousness and drunk with power, they have no issue whatever punishing another to the point of complete elimination from society. As we all know, this will not end until they consume all of their own OR employers finally realize that all of the good employees have been removed from the company. Either that or they will simply be scooped up by a company that sees past this BS and begins to capture the market. . This _is_ beginning to happen, but it is going to take a few more years, before it is really understood. Good luck with the job search and I hope you find an employer who is willing to stand up to the mob 😺 . .PS> The smaller companies are going to be the way of the future, so keep uour eye out for them!
I find it interesting that Gender Dysphoria in the US, UK and Canada before 2010 had rates of roughly 0.0013% ~ and interestingly had been at those levels for around 80 years. It then slowly crept up starting in the mid 90s to around 0.2% by 2012. It's then been on a trajectory the money printing suppliers would be proud of, *Quadrupling* in 2018 and Octupling in 2020. There are counties in the US where in under 25s its as high as 17.1% and 24%~ in Girls between 12 and 21. Yet, in non English speaking, non Western European countries it remains at 0.0013% to 0.0018%. But through these last heartbreaking 10 years, calling it a Fad or a Trend was met with ridicule and vitriol.
As Helen Joyce likes to point out, it's strange how many middle aged housewives have failed to 'come out' as trans and yet their daughters have been liberated such that the Trans prevalence has increased 3500% in ten years. Sheila Jeffries give a juicy little video on Kelly Jay Keen's Standing for Women YT channel about the bizarre mess middle aged men get themselves into trying to gratify the schema infecting their psyche, worth a watch.
@@realMaverickBuckley for me it says 4 replies and I only see one: yours. I’ve been noticing this a lot in the past couple of months and I do think there’s a new layer of censorship that has been implemented very recently. It’s disturbing.
A rather more intense discussion than usual, but still a compelling one. It does bring out the unpleasant realities of the TRA "industry" and the physical damage done to vulnerable young people.
They are doing good work helping to educate parents of gender confused kids.. they approach it with such compassion for people, and trying to empathise with the children so that they can be helped.
I freak out too Stella! I didn’t have dysphoria over my sexed body as a child and teen but I had strong social gender dysphoria and puberty phobia and a forceful personality. I was _devastated_ when I started my periods. I sat sobbing on my bedroom floor screaming at my mum that she had to take me to the doctor for medication to stop them. I was _mortified_ by my bust. I’m so thankful it happened in the 90’s and I wasn’t scooped up by a Tumblr or tiktok. I have little doubt I would be non-binary and binding if I was a teen now.
31:08 I completely agree with Sasha that what we are calling "social transition" in kids would be much less risky without the medicalization and identity paradigm around gender that we have today. As a kid almost 20 years ago, I (a female) dressed and cut my hair like a boy, went by a traditionally male name, and asked others to use male pronouns for me for a couple of years. My family and school had no problem with it but didn't push it any further. Back then, the concept of gender identity and trans kids was not mainstream like it is today. Transgender was not mainstream even with adults. I think there was no harm in my family letting me live as a boy for a couple of years. I was just a kid figuring out what it meant to be me. That said, if I had a kid the age I was when I "lived as a boy" right now, I would not want to let my kid identify and live as the opposite sex, for the exact reasons that Sasha stated. There is too much potential harm today.
Yes and no, the problems with transition aren’t limited to the medical, the push of getting males into women’s spaces are wholly independent of the medical damage to the trans identified individual. Social transition includes putting male r@pists into women’s prisons, regardless of medical interventions.
@@sharifsalem I see what you are saying and agree to a point, because that is what is happening in today's paradigm, but the paradigm was completely different 20 years ago. There was no denying biology back then. For example, I still used the female restroom because in the end, I was a girl, even though I wanted to be a boy. It was a totally different world 20 years ago around this issue. Which I think is what Sasha was getting at. "Transition" 50 years ago is different than today which will be different 50 years from now, in her words.
Yeah I’m sorry but that is complete BS. Having short hair and wearing “boy clothes” does not make someone a boy, so why on earth would you allow impressionable little girls to “identify” as one? How about we just accept them for who they are and tell them there’s nothing wrong with them? You are expecting little girls to still be able to tell the difference between fiction and reality when everyone around them (including their parents and teachers) is pretending they’re a boy and is using “he/him” pronouns for them. And all of that just because they don’t want to perform femininity. I’m glad it didn’t have any lasting impact on you but in a normal society “social transition” would be considered child abuse.
@@lmr1049 Here is a little different perspective: Because this was 20 years ago, the paradigm was so different from today. There was no such thing as transgender in my and my family's worlds. We were under no illusion that I was actually a boy or could ever become one. By letting my child self explore the masculine role as a "boy," they let me figure out on my own that girls can embody masculine qualities without being boys. I think it also helped me integrate my masculine side into my whole self. It was very enriching, since I could experience the process of working it out for myself independently. Playing pretend is a normal part of child development, to help them figure out who they are in the world. Children have very rigid views about roles and categories. Part of maturing is growing past the rigidity, which I did. My parents held space for me to process that on my own, but I'm sure they would have stepped in if I began taking it too far. This approach was right for me, but may not be for others. I also feel much more wary about taking this approach with kids today, with everything that is going on, to echo what Sasha was saying about her own hesitation. I do not wish to discuss this further, but please take my thoughts into consideration.
@@karis1119 Obviously you wanted to be a boy because boys appear to have (and almost always do have) more freedom and activities than girls. I hope times have radically changed (we've been at this since 1965 trying to make an equal world for women) but sexist men don't like equality and it's usually sexist men in power.
The weird thing for me, reading these stories about puberty phobia, is I had the opposite. Me and my friends boasted about it when we got our first period. I felt so proud that I was finally “a woman” lol. My mum clearly told my dad that they had started and he even congratulated me on becoming a woman (cringe). But another thing, I ended up with a super flat chest and I was fixated on getting implants. I used to obsess about celebrity magazines and compare myself to my friends etc (this was all before social media etc, thank God). I eventually got implants at 21 and hated myself even more. It was never enough. I got them replaced once to improve the look when I was 27, but decided later that I didn’t agree with my reasoning for getting them (to appear more attractive to men), so I got them out when I was 31. I’m 40 now and good lord did I waste a lot of energy obsessing over my body. I feel for kids going through this today. I’m glad I didn’t have puberty phobia. I really think it’s because my mum (having been a nurse and midwife) always spoke positively and realistically about what would happen, but in a way that made me feel special for being female. Plus, I had a father who looked down on women so I had a point to prove. I hope I can do the same for my 2 daughters so they don’t fall prey to this.
Seasoned teachers here are retiring and quitting in droves. They are being replaced by fresh out of college kids who have been steeped in gender ideology their entire high school and college careers and are now bringing it into elementary schools in a big way. The males who are going into teaching are overwhelmingly gender identifying or gay and loudly out wearing rainbow suspenders, shoe laces and eye glasses, etc. in class. Virtually anyone can "teach" these days because schools can't find enough bodies to fill classrooms.
Yep. There is an unfortunate side effect of paying teachers so little, which is that anyone with a logical mind would do 10,000 other careers before teaching. The only people going into teaching now are doing it for ideological reasons - not because they are actually experts at math, for example. They are fine with being paid poverty level wages in exchange for being permitted to spread nonsense ideas among naive minds.
@@mouwersor Homeschooling groups are gender infested too, here in this buried in glitter Ivy League college town of ten square miles surrounded by reality. Maybe even more so.
@@zane62135 Please it's not just that , many simply cannot get into other degree programs because they are not intellectually capable of doing so . this has been the case forever but much more evident now . Shitty parenting make children harder to teaching ect .
@@non_ideological_transexual7414 I’m not going to sit here and say that there are parents out there that are shifty parents or they are doing a bad job, obviously that happens. What I will say is it’s not just the parents fault at times and as much as teachers are losing the ability to have control over their classrooms or discipline their students parents are also losing control of their children. There are states where even if a child is completely out of control a parent has no right to discipline their child. Anymore parents and guardians are losing their children just for not affirming a gender ideology that a child may not even have had a few weeks before. Schools have also been allowed to bring in therapist and give children medication without a parents knowledge or consent along with affirming a child’s trans journey ever without the parent being non the wiser. So tell me how are we simply just blaming shitty parenting on the parent now when there has obviously been a gigantic break down in communication and working together between parents and schools?
Really thought provoking conversation. Although as someone with an armchair historian's fascination with the Roman Empire, I haven't come across anything to do with sexuality being part of the problem. BB's comment does bring lurid movie scenes to mind, but imperial overreach, climate change and plagues had a lot more to do with it.
Great talk. One thing that stuck out was the idea of celebrating sex with wild abandon and then somehow shocked that there may be potential consequences. Cheesy reference but made me think of Mr Miyagi and his lesson to Daniel about balance and how everything in life is about balance. I think this can be applied to all things that are pleasurable. For example; eating chocolate cake once in a while probably won't have much effect on your weight ot hurt your health too much but eating it every day will. This is not about being a prude but I think anything that allows people to have extreme pleasure can lead to overuse where no matter the quantity it will never ever be enough and then you become a slave to it.
Worth mentioning, WPATH consulted with castration fetishists on their new guidelines. The Reduxx piece on this is very enlightening, as is Glinner's interview w/its author.
@Christina… It was a good one, to be sure. Of course, as per usual, it was yours truly who brought the most insightful commentary to the chat. You know as well as I, that the BenHeads don’t always have the intellectual chops of The Kitty, nor are they capable of such outstanding brilliance and grasp of what it is to live a truly humble life, such as my own. . It is indeed a heavy burden of which I must carry, but my kitten shoulders are broad, so I can manage the load 😺
@@NinjaKittyBonks you need therapy😆😆 …and more chai! Obviously. 🫖😻 Now it’s the middle of the night here in Swedenland and I’m awake - time to listen to Benjamin and the lovely ladies! Hugs to you lil kitty Ninja 🐈🐈⬛❤️
They're planning to put a new trans law on the vote in the Finnish parliament this autumn. At least they've left out the children for the most part, but I'm nervous about the direction we're taking nonetheless. The left especially have been disappointed they didn't include more pervasive and easily accessible medical transition for children. Lots of generally pretty trusted NGOs were pushing it, as well. "It's a human rights issue."
I'm a Finn, too. I'm so happy that they didn't manage to push children's transition further and angry that a party I voted so many times (not anymore) is pushing this. It sure is a human rights issue but in the opposite way to how they see it.
@@herecomesthesun21 The real dangers still involve the school system and the way teachers are trained. They published an interesting article in Helsingin Sanomat today, which shows how we've yet to see the peak of the push towards absolute affirmation and the q-wording of public education. Pedagogical institutions and post-docs working in expert positions have been a steady source of this stuff for many years. They're still making headway. It'll keep getting worse in the near future, unless there's a concerted effort to halt these developments and bring things back to earth. Edit: For the ones who don't speak Finnish, the activism is already reportedly showing in the way Finnish school children act and think, in ages 7-12. Municipal education officials are already drawing a line in the sand about adherence to the ideology. It's happening through the usual gradual stages of affecting legally binding curricula, plain sophistry and interpretive bait-and-switch tactics involving what's been written down. The way they argued the concepts put into curricula will only get memoryholed if we let it happen. If enough people actually don't notice the shift in definitions and buy the new language, it'll eventually result in legal enforcement. This is where we need to catch them in the act of shifting definitions.
@@suspiciousentity9305 thanks for the article tip! I read it and it's horrible. What the teacher and the "expert" are advicing is just grooming and authoritarian brainwashing in my opinion. There was a chilling sentence said by the "gender expert": "You shouldn't make assumptions or think for yourself what is right or wrong." Unbelievable! You are right, the situation is getting worse in the education system. Parents should wake up to what's happening, they don't realise how serious it is, they don't see the big picture. I don't read much traditional (or any) news media, because it makes me anxious and there are so many lies, but I've heard from my friends who are parents that the number of more or less trans identified teenagers is growing exponentially. In my friend's children's school there are so many people who are changing their names that the school administration can't keep up with it. And you're not allowed to think there is social contagion, as they advice in the article...
@@herecomesthesun21 Indeed, the encouragement not to think for yourself what is right or wrong is chilling, among many other things in the article. The g-word (gr-) tends to get comments removed/hidden, by the way. Same with the q-word.
Very good conversation. Thank you for that. It is amazing how when it comes to sex we are so obsessed with it, yet we appear not to understand it at all. I'm not at all religious, but it does seem that religions give us a very useful mental map for individuals and societies to navigate reality.
How do you explain the fact that most young gay boys are not in the least feminine. Less so in older gay men. I wasn't as a kid and I'm not now at 60 and I'm in no way ,at all, attracted to feminine men. Honestly, this stereotype is reall but if you frequently hang out in gay male spaces you will find that most are just natural to uber masculine in demeanor.
Feel so sad for these kids. 5 older brothers made me think I was a boy till I got in a fight about it @ 5 years old. Mom said, "You are a girl!" (Get over it, implied) problem solved
29:50 The problem with the question as opposed to sex is, gender tends to categorize what society thinks sex should behave like. It doesn't allow for disabilities and mental health and how they behave, sex doesn't have anything to do with behavior and social constructs. People often conflate sex and gender using them interchangeably.
In the 1950s, Sydney, Australia, from Year 4 (age 9 - 10), the boys went off to be taught by Catholic brothers (e.g. Marist Brothers, North Sydney, or, e.g. Christian Brothers, St Pius X, Chatswood). Male dominated teaching of boys continued till they left school.) One man play by Ron Blair called "The Christian Brothers " (1975) about his experiences at a school in Lewisham (suburb of Sydney). Very famous. Very horrendous experience
I'm extremely lost and upset with what society has done with human sexuality. I finished my master's in sexual education last year and ideology has wrapped up my colleagues. I believe in a healthy human sexuality. But if our society is not healthy, I doubt we will develop a healthy sexuality.
I've said that these people will go down in history as the people who decoded the culture war way before we all did. I've been on Benjamin's show regarding South Africa's unravelling but really I was talking about the march of nihilism that culminates in children having gender reassignment surgery. Through groups organised on social media we are decoding the radical postmodermist battles and starting to win! SHARE these shows, because its already happening in your community wherever you are!
I really enjoy Sasha and Stella because even though the subject matter is serious, they have a way of using a lightness of touch to engage the audience. Not sure about this weird guy with the beard though.
I hope Benjamin lets these two out of their little jars at the end of this podcast. I know I'm going to run out into an Alpine meadow and proclaim my adoration of the great outdoors after watching this one.
Glam rock of the 70s played around with gender in a really fun, innocuous way. But we are dealing with highly creative people who were expressing their creativity. The problem with the identity movements today is they are just bossy and lazy. They think by just telling you they are special, they are special, for a lot of people it's a shortcut to feeling unique.
I always enjoy Stella & Sasha, thoughtful and compassionate. And I am always a bit amused at how BB perks up whenever anyone says anything negative about "the left" (we're not all the same, ya know 😉)
So how are the synthetic hormones made? Yes, in a lab but I would like a more in depth discussion about this. I’ve read that estrogen is collected from pregnant horse urine but I don’t know if that info is reliable.
1:07:33 *Stella* : Wistfully talking about the life she would have missed had she been medicalised for her youth gender dysphoria *Sahsa* : Crying and heartbroken at the thought of it *Benjamin Boyce* : "Off with her b00bs" Lol
It’s horrible that there is so very few therapists who are not affirming, or at least take some time to figure it the underlying issues. My daughter has underlying issues but I can’t find a therapist who will not just say “you are trans? Great, let’s get you started in treatment” it makes me so sick to my stomach that I can not even trust the medical community.
Refreshing to know that this island of emotional and intellectual stability is alive and growing in the present Sargasso Sea of incontinent 3rd grader antics attempting to undermine the American Light On The Hill endeavor. `whew, onward!
I can see that Stella is unaware that university journalism courses for years have been steeped in post modernism "looking thru a lens nonsense" NOT attempting to find objective information . I watched this first hand when i helped a friend with their journalism classes...i was so shocked to see this crazyness
Love when the girls team up to give Benjamin a little "What For". Benjamin has been sitting tall in the saddle lately, so needs to knock him down a peg or two ❤
Not when they're actively targetting children (who virtually ALL struggle with identity, from late single-digits to late teens). If it was ONLY adults buying into this nonsense, I'd be much less concerned (although that would STILL leave the problems of men in womens bathrooms, womens sports, prisons, etc. Plus the erosion of language and truth).
I want all these surgeons, psychiatrists, psychologists, other therapists or clinicians, teachers, principles to be sanctioned for pushing this nonsense and being the cause of so much harm to children and families. Some of the most outrageous should not be allowed to be in their professions.
My understanding is that testosterone does NOT make men more "aggressive". My understanding is that it makes them less risk adverse, meaning their stronger larger bodies would put violence on the menu of options more frequently for men. Both because they are more able to take the physical knocks AND because they are more prepared to adventure into risky areas. I mention this because I believe women are just as aggressive as men, it's just they have to use different means to achieve their desired results.
Agreed. But because the accepted thought now is “men and women are the same except socialization” people keep forgetting bodies are the real difference and real driver.
What is the gender spectrum, precisely? The colours of the rainbow have a specific order violet, indigo, blue .etc. every rainbow has the same order and colours. So what is the order of genders on the gender spectrum?
Tavistock has been broken up and seeded around the UK. The problem is the mental health services that they will be integrated with are already broken. CAHMs is not delivering. Mental health in the UK is just not equipped to help out. Nevertheless the will to change the agenda is there.
Yeah, average age for losing virginity is trending older. And although birth rates have been dropping many decades, rates of adults that stay single are rising a lot recently. In some ways, people are getting less sexual. Or (with the rise of porn, OnlyFns, etc) maybe sex is just getting more solitary? Idk
I'm about 40min in... Stella brought up the larger role of female teachers, perhaps esp in Ireland and BB said about how it's always been a heavily female profession in modern times.... now Sasha is talking about the boys being kind of maverick/pioneers, thwarting their parents computer filters, etc. What occurs to me is that typically male attributes USED to be lauded and acceptable, within certain limits of course. The attributes are now IMO seen as "bad". They have developmental needs as males that are being severely neglected. For example, sports can be a competitive outlet and a way of having male role models & bonding... but what about the other 90% who aren't professional athlete types? Computer games? Being computer whizzes and "beating" the restrictions? There's a need to compete and excel maybe... I'm thinking as I write.... that males typically have much more of than females do. Yes yes not ALL have the need to the same extent. I think Stella is spot on about the teaching aspect with females... but it's how the more feminine attributes are being seen as more positive and the more masculine ones are seen as more negative. Everyone gets a prize, that sort of thing. Cooperation = good Competitive = bad Hyper in tune w/emotions = good More stoic = bad I'm not trying to stereotype girls or boys, just saying that the normal variety of characteristics/personality facets are being made smaller and what lies outside the bounds of socially acceptable is getting bigger..... and that it's the males who are getting the short end of it.
@Shannonsayshi … Good observations (+15 purr credits to you). Clearly, male teachers of young children are frowned upon and not until probably was about 6th grade for me, that I had any that I recall. I am just approaching 58 yo, but even then I think the idea that males were considered "unsafe" around young children. As a result, we have had very little overall input of males on young children, so there is clearly a lack of the male perspective. In a perfect world, I think we would have both a male and a female teacher in a classroom, so that they could work together and present a curriculum that reaches the student body better. . There would be cases when a female teacher might reach a student well and other times, when a male may relate better. My sense is that this has been a females domain for so long, that men are just not welcome and would not be surprised if there were concerns of males being "interested" in young children as well. . The generalized attack on masculinity has carried on so long, as to make it very difficult for men to defend the male role model. This is seen as aggressive or "toxic", because feminism has become a MASSIVE industry and there are too many voices willing to conflate masculinity with misogyny. In fact, I think it has gone so far as to be openly accepting of misandry and both the children and older males have been in many ways "cast out" of decent society. . This has been a long time growing and fear it will take another generation or two, before society realizes what it has done to our males and recognizes that we must correct course 😿
@@NinjaKittyBonks as well as the fear around having men around children, I also suspect that the low pay and professional regard for teachers probably puts a lot of people off these days. It's still seen as acceptable for women to earn less so I think there must be a connection there. Also, it wasn't that long ago when the main career options for women were nurse, secretary or teacher. And these jobs are still massively underpaid...I wonder why...🙄
@@mandy3404 …. Underpayed...? By what metric are you using? Men and women who occupy the same position, with the same credentials and hours, are federally mandated to get the same pay. if we want to discuss "The Gender Pay Gap"... it simply does not exist, as it is being sold by the feminist movement. That $.73 on the dollar claim, was created by adding ALL jobs occupied by women, vs ALL jobs occupied by men. It does not take into account that, on average, women do not work as many hours, negotiate as strongly as males (vacation pay, bonuses for productivity and such) and a number of other factors. I ask that you do additional research on the Gender Pay Gap, because an employer CANNOT legally pay a female less than a male, for the same qualifications. Look up "Equal Pay Act" signed by POTUS Kennedy in 1963. The gender pay gap stats are presented in bad faith, in order to paint women as victims of a patriarchy. 🐱 . Yes... there is a fear of having men around children. Sadly, males can act in the identical manner as female, but what is seen as nurturing by her, will more often be seen as inappropriate by him. This is why I said that I would like to see BOTH a male / female teacher, in those early years, so as to better academically reach those students. This is not necessary for all grades, but up to around age 10 would be a good start. . This would address a number of things and not the least of which, would be the absence of a male role model for addressing certain behaviors that lead to poor behavior by males, later on in life. If we had male teachers reinforcing proper behavior in those younger years, we would have less poor behavior in the later ones, when it is VERY difficult to address it. The second HUGE issue that would be reduced, is the number of teachers, both male and female, that we have seen far too much of teach inappropriate things. We see teachers who feel that these young students are "of the community" and is most often female teachers who are pushing s****** related issues (gender theory, LGBTQ) upon very young children. Having both a male and female teacher, combined with parents who must be WAY, WAY, WAY more involved in the public education system, we can begin to address the deeply systemic issues of state funded schooling. . Absolutely #1 best thing we can do.... School Vouchers! This would nip a HUGE amount of this in the bud, because these teachers would then have competition and be forced to shape up or ship out! . The feds are DEEPLY against any and all private education.... I wonder why... 🤔
@@NinjaKittyBonks You're right, it IS illegal to pay a man and a woman different wages for the same job. That said, many employers simply ignore the law, and make all employee salaries confidential. Managers threaten underlings with dismissal if they reveal their pay relative to the same or similar jobs in the same company. Unless the Feds pull a surprise audit (which almost NEVER happens in private businesses). The Feds know better. Large corporations are the Feds' bread and butter. The whole thing is a complete, obvious fraud for which there is no earthly remedy. Period. That's how things are.
@@maxalberts2003 …Wait.... what happened to your comment..? it vanished! Maybe it will return, as sometimes they do that. . Yes, sometimes employers will pay less to ANY employee, for all kinds of reasons and not only because they are females. There are probably SOME exceptions for an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) for things, but there are no laws that prohibit an employee from discussing their salary with others. Not like an employer can set an illegal salary, require the employee to NOT tell anyone and then have a legal "out" to escape federal law, because the employer required them not to tell anyone. . In general, Max... your entire comment is based on the assumption that companies have no interest in having employees who value their job and willing to screw them over. I was in a family business for over 30 years and you don't get ahead by screwing your employees, because they will just go somewhere else. The idea that there is this some collusion between feds and business, in order to tell workers to STFU and just do as your told, is a load of BS. No doubt some employers _will_ do such things, but that will come back to bite them. Whether it is through legal means OR those who work there will just get a job elsewhere. . Max, you are painting women as victims of men and the patriarchy. Please don't perpetuate this idea that women are at the mercy of everyone else and must simply be treated like crap, because they are women.
I'll answer what is gender. It is sexual stereotyping. What's more it changes over time. Men used to love wigs, make up, high heeled shoes and until the 1940s the colour pink. There is personality and that is all. Why do you think young gay boys are feminine? Many, in fact most women are nothing like that. Indeed most gay men are not " feminised" or camp at all. As for women staying at home and men going out to work that is again a very new societal set up.
@~1:18...The consequences of sex 'with wild abandon' are SO different for males and females that a blanket statement of identical behavior for both is absurd, not to mention DISASTROUS for females. P.S. Benjamin, I love your style of patient listening which allows your guests to share so openly and enthusiastically.
56:36 Re the gender surgeon's apparent apathy/aloofness and low expectations wrt their patient's poor life outcomes after transition, you can't help but think of the lobotomy craze and the monstrous doctors doing that "procedure".
I think if you go back 40 years or so that even if the teachers were women, the principal would be a man or the priest would be involved and in charge of the Catholic school. And the women/nuns would have respect for the man's authority.
What do you mean? Is professing ideas not itself a profession of position? Or do you perceive him denying or disowning a political position? Or should he label each and every one of his positions on a two dimensional political axis that means too much to too many to mean that much of anything?
Stella suffers from confusion around the semantic discussion of what “gender identity” means in mainstream trans ideology, which is odd given her speciality and concentration on gender issues.
Imagine putting yourself out there as someone who's looked into the issue and then mistaking the anus for the colon. Where do you think the patient would excrete from? Make a routine colostomy? And then to display your resistance to an operation from your stomach turning at the thought? What about reconstructing foreskins and vulvae for victims of genital mutilation? Are we allowed to use suitable donor tissue there, or animal skin grafts (also for burn victims) when that gives better results? or must the Spirit Realm Specialists first take a sniff to see if they can stomach us using the tissue that's medically speaking the best for the patient? Jesus. You really lost me there with the appeal to disgust.
I hate the way you all like to crap on "radical feminists." It is the one time I lose a little bit of respect for Stella and Sasha. S2 are doing the typical female thing of going along with the male to get his approval. Besides that, another good episode from all three of you!
@@BenjaminABoyce you get my point though ? Even your reply is odd ? What's the meaning of" here have an ' . Was that something funny or for the uni educated to understand . I rarely comment but still I watch i learn I get ridiculed for asking ?
Nice smarmy answer well done ? Yes I'm not very well educated I worked from the age of nine left school at 13 have often thought of going to nightschool but had to put food on the table , nowadays I look around and think how lucky I was not to go back? I use your knowledge I support you I watch all your interviews and will continue to do so . Grammar never put food on my table it obvious matters more to you but if my grammar offends you I can't do anything about that. See you on your next podcast
At 17 I had to go through vaginoplastical surgery due to medical issues completely unrelated to gender. The surgical part and the treatment afterwards were similar to what kids who transition go through. It's been over twenty years, and can honestly say that was the most devastatingly painful, horrific experience of my life, both physically and emotionally. At the time of the surgery I had no psychological nor emotional issues and was an emotionally stable teenager and the experience still shattered me! I can't imagine what it could to an emotionally unstable, depressed child! It makes my blood boil at the sheer viciousness and hypocrisy of it all! You ladies are actually amazing and brave. And Benjamin is an incredible interviewer.
I’m sorry to hear about this painful process Anna. Thank you for sharing. These operations and issues are not to be taken lightly.
@@BenjaminABoyce No most certainly they are not be taken lightly & many of these very complex surgery's are done .If only peple that will do really well were vetted for the surgery AND only really competent reconstructive surgeons did these and not "cosmetic" surgeons. The surgery can go very well.... have not heard those interviews....
@@non_ideological_transexual7414 They are not ‘reconstructive’ surgeries because they are creating something new to replace the sexed genitalia. As people age, the damage caused will get worse. Mature adults choosing this is completely different to teenagers and barely adults ‘choosing’ it. Many of the men choosing this have already had families, an option often removed from young people 😢.
@@bh148 First only very experienced recontructive surgeons are able to do these effectively so that they have good technical results & so you saying " reconstructive" is just semantics , neovaginas are made . You obviously do not know the type presentation pathsways to wanting this nor what would make someone successful long term whether a teen or older ( the typical men who have had children are a different type again ). Much good research has been done by researchers on this subject years ago and now is almost exclusively ignored hence AT THIS TIME many having surgery's that they should not . Because there are actually gendered sex roles within us that mostly align with our sex and opposite sex roles is WHY though i am sure you would deny this . Why should effeminate males HAVE to partner with "Gay" men when they would prefer heterosexual men who ARE different ? ( Mostly young males of course) . By the way same sex couples cannot have children naturally together nor do heterosexual women want to have children with very non typical males ( unmasculine).....the feminists are lying when they say we will be accepted as partners ....and just want allies against the "Patriarchy" . We should have good diagnostic investigation ( gatekeeping ) and you can stop fear mongering about "long term affects" .
@@bh148I am a trans woman who had vaginoplasty 30 years ago. I had no complications, I was riding my bike again 3 weeks after having the surgery; at 62 my health is excellent, after a year I never had to dilate again & it has stayed patent & supple all these years, it’s very sensitive, orgasmic, and having intercourse as a woman has been 100x more satisfying than sex as a man. Getting a vagina is the best thing I ever did. People that want to make these surgeries illegal or difficult to get, are quite simply awful bigots.
One of the delightful things about this chat was that it took place between three not just very intelligent but also very calm , warm and smiling people 🥰
Love this, such a pleasure hearing from Stella and Sasha. In my friend circle, a mixture of straight and gay men, I find in the past 6 months people are less scared about speaking out against the gender narrative, I feel these discussion have been priceless on allow me to discuss them eloquently, thank you both
This is somehow already an impactful white pill for me, hearing these two women talk about the retreat, just knowing this kind of thing is being put together. The beaming positive energy transmitting through is pretty infectious in a super uplifting way. 👍
Most X are Y doesn’t mean most Y are X.
Most gender nonconforming boys become gay adults doesn’t mean boys who become gay are all gender nonconforming.
Speaking of losing your job, I moved to Canada to work for a company (Ubisoft Toronto) and was fired one day with NO WARNING for arguing against trans ideology. Not at work mind you -- on social media, which is none of my employer's business. Fired IMMEDIATELY when pulled into a zoom meeting with no chance to stand up for myself.
This is the same Ubisoft that refused to fire SEXUAL HARASSERS. This world has gone absolutely mad.
@eiyukabe … This is a horrible story, but is far, far, far too common. The cult is so totally consumed with self-righteousness and drunk with power, they have no issue whatever punishing another to the point of complete elimination from society. As we all know, this will not end until they consume all of their own OR employers finally realize that all of the good employees have been removed from the company. Either that or they will simply be scooped up by a company that sees past this BS and begins to capture the market.
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This _is_ beginning to happen, but it is going to take a few more years, before it is really understood. Good luck with the job search and I hope you find an employer who is willing to stand up to the mob 😺
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.PS> The smaller companies are going to be the way of the future, so keep uour eye out for them!
@@NinjaKittyBonks Thanks for the kind words!
Wow smh
Wow 😟 That’s crazy.
I’m so sorry this happened to you!! Should be illegal to treat an employee that way.
Talk about oppression of speech
I find it interesting that Gender Dysphoria in the US, UK and Canada before 2010 had rates of roughly 0.0013% ~ and interestingly had been at those levels for around 80 years. It then slowly crept up starting in the mid 90s to around 0.2% by 2012. It's then been on a trajectory the money printing suppliers would be proud of, *Quadrupling* in 2018 and Octupling in 2020.
There are counties in the US where in under 25s its as high as 17.1% and 24%~ in Girls between 12 and 21.
Yet, in non English speaking, non Western European countries it remains at 0.0013% to 0.0018%.
But through these last heartbreaking 10 years, calling it a Fad or a Trend was met with ridicule and vitriol.
As Helen Joyce likes to point out, it's strange how many middle aged housewives have failed to 'come out' as trans and yet their daughters have been liberated such that the Trans prevalence has increased 3500% in ten years.
Sheila Jeffries give a juicy little video on Kelly Jay Keen's Standing for Women YT channel about the bizarre mess middle aged men get themselves into trying to gratify the schema infecting their psyche, worth a watch.
It is an epidemic of a social contagion (ie. mental illness), injected and incubated within the 'school system' and spread via technology.
It says '2 replies' but I can't see any. Is this some new YT censorship on comments?
@@realMaverickBuckley Yes. Many people are now shadow banned.
@@realMaverickBuckley for me it says 4 replies and I only see one: yours. I’ve been noticing this a lot in the past couple of months and I do think there’s a new layer of censorship that has been implemented very recently. It’s disturbing.
My three favorite podcasters all in one place!
The 2 most pleasant voices on UA-cam.
Could listen to A and S chat all day.
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Always good to hear reasonable people able to discuss something important in depth!
A rather more intense discussion than usual, but still a compelling one. It does bring out the unpleasant realities of the TRA "industry" and the physical damage done to vulnerable young people.
Hating your body is a perfectly normal part of going through puberty.
Amen
They are doing good work helping to educate parents of gender confused kids.. they approach it with such compassion for people, and trying to empathise with the children so that they can be helped.
I freak out too Stella! I didn’t have dysphoria over my sexed body as a child and teen but I had strong social gender dysphoria and puberty phobia and a forceful personality. I was _devastated_ when I started my periods. I sat sobbing on my bedroom floor screaming at my mum that she had to take me to the doctor for medication to stop them. I was _mortified_ by my bust. I’m so thankful it happened in the 90’s and I wasn’t scooped up by a Tumblr or tiktok. I have little doubt I would be non-binary and binding if I was a teen now.
Lovely ladies! Thank you Benjamin for doing all these interviews.
31:08 I completely agree with Sasha that what we are calling "social transition" in kids would be much less risky without the medicalization and identity paradigm around gender that we have today. As a kid almost 20 years ago, I (a female) dressed and cut my hair like a boy, went by a traditionally male name, and asked others to use male pronouns for me for a couple of years. My family and school had no problem with it but didn't push it any further. Back then, the concept of gender identity and trans kids was not mainstream like it is today. Transgender was not mainstream even with adults. I think there was no harm in my family letting me live as a boy for a couple of years. I was just a kid figuring out what it meant to be me. That said, if I had a kid the age I was when I "lived as a boy" right now, I would not want to let my kid identify and live as the opposite sex, for the exact reasons that Sasha stated. There is too much potential harm today.
Yes and no, the problems with transition aren’t limited to the medical, the push of getting males into women’s spaces are wholly independent of the medical damage to the trans identified individual. Social transition includes putting male r@pists into women’s prisons, regardless of medical interventions.
@@sharifsalem I see what you are saying and agree to a point, because that is what is happening in today's paradigm, but the paradigm was completely different 20 years ago. There was no denying biology back then. For example, I still used the female restroom because in the end, I was a girl, even though I wanted to be a boy. It was a totally different world 20 years ago around this issue. Which I think is what Sasha was getting at. "Transition" 50 years ago is different than today which will be different 50 years from now, in her words.
Yeah I’m sorry but that is complete BS. Having short hair and wearing “boy clothes” does not make someone a boy, so why on earth would you allow impressionable little girls to “identify” as one? How about we just accept them for who they are and tell them there’s nothing wrong with them? You are expecting little girls to still be able to tell the difference between fiction and reality when everyone around them (including their parents and teachers) is pretending they’re a boy and is using “he/him” pronouns for them. And all of that just because they don’t want to perform femininity. I’m glad it didn’t have any lasting impact on you but in a normal society “social transition” would be considered child abuse.
@@lmr1049 Here is a little different perspective:
Because this was 20 years ago, the paradigm was so different from today. There was no such thing as transgender in my and my family's worlds. We were under no illusion that I was actually a boy or could ever become one. By letting my child self explore the masculine role as a "boy," they let me figure out on my own that girls can embody masculine qualities without being boys. I think it also helped me integrate my masculine side into my whole self. It was very enriching, since I could experience the process of working it out for myself independently. Playing pretend is a normal part of child development, to help them figure out who they are in the world. Children have very rigid views about roles and categories. Part of maturing is growing past the rigidity, which I did. My parents held space for me to process that on my own, but I'm sure they would have stepped in if I began taking it too far.
This approach was right for me, but may not be for others. I also feel much more wary about taking this approach with kids today, with everything that is going on, to echo what Sasha was saying about her own hesitation.
I do not wish to discuss this further, but please take my thoughts into consideration.
@@karis1119 Obviously you wanted to be a boy because boys appear to have (and almost always do have) more freedom and activities than girls. I hope times have radically changed (we've been at this since 1965 trying to make an equal world for women) but sexist men don't like equality and it's usually sexist men in power.
The weird thing for me, reading these stories about puberty phobia, is I had the opposite. Me and my friends boasted about it when we got our first period. I felt so proud that I was finally “a woman” lol. My mum clearly told my dad that they had started and he even congratulated me on becoming a woman (cringe).
But another thing, I ended up with a super flat chest and I was fixated on getting implants. I used to obsess about celebrity magazines and compare myself to my friends etc (this was all before social media etc, thank God). I eventually got implants at 21 and hated myself even more. It was never enough. I got them replaced once to improve the look when I was 27, but decided later that I didn’t agree with my reasoning for getting them (to appear more attractive to men), so I got them out when I was 31.
I’m 40 now and good lord did I waste a lot of energy obsessing over my body.
I feel for kids going through this today. I’m glad I didn’t have puberty phobia. I really think it’s because my mum (having been a nurse and midwife) always spoke positively and realistically about what would happen, but in a way that made me feel special for being female. Plus, I had a father who looked down on women so I had a point to prove.
I hope I can do the same for my 2 daughters so they don’t fall prey to this.
Weird to finally see their faces. Stella looks way younger than I thought she was. The fountain of youth runs strong in Ireland.
It's the whiskey and Guinness!
@@baltasarnoreno5973 😆 I think you might be onto something!
Seasoned teachers here are retiring and quitting in droves. They are being replaced by fresh out of college kids who have been steeped in gender ideology their entire high school and college careers and are now bringing it into elementary schools in a big way. The males who are going into teaching are overwhelmingly gender identifying or gay and loudly out wearing rainbow suspenders, shoe laces and eye glasses, etc. in class. Virtually anyone can "teach" these days because schools can't find enough bodies to fill classrooms.
Yep. There is an unfortunate side effect of paying teachers so little, which is that anyone with a logical mind would do 10,000 other careers before teaching. The only people going into teaching now are doing it for ideological reasons - not because they are actually experts at math, for example. They are fine with being paid poverty level wages in exchange for being permitted to spread nonsense ideas among naive minds.
Homeschooling groups is the best option
@@mouwersor Homeschooling groups are gender infested too, here in this buried in glitter Ivy League college town of ten square miles surrounded by reality. Maybe even more so.
@@zane62135 Please it's not just that , many simply cannot get into other degree programs because they are not intellectually capable of doing so . this has been the case forever but much more evident now . Shitty parenting make children harder to teaching ect .
@@non_ideological_transexual7414 I’m not going to sit here and say that there are parents out there that are shifty parents or they are doing a bad job, obviously that happens. What I will say is it’s not just the parents fault at times and as much as teachers are losing the ability to have control over their classrooms or discipline their students parents are also losing control of their children. There are states where even if a child is completely out of control a parent has no right to discipline their child. Anymore parents and guardians are losing their children just for not affirming a gender ideology that a child may not even have had a few weeks before. Schools have also been allowed to bring in therapist and give children medication without a parents knowledge or consent along with affirming a child’s trans journey ever without the parent being non the wiser. So tell me how are we simply just blaming shitty parenting on the parent now when there has obviously been a gigantic break down in communication and working together between parents and schools?
Excellent work all of you, I hope people in positions of power hear it, or better yet kids and parents struggling with this stuff
Really thought provoking conversation. Although as someone with an armchair historian's fascination with the Roman Empire, I haven't come across anything to do with sexuality being part of the problem. BB's comment does bring lurid movie scenes to mind, but imperial overreach, climate change and plagues had a lot more to do with it.
Great talk. One thing that stuck out was the idea of celebrating sex with wild abandon and then somehow shocked that there may be potential consequences. Cheesy reference but made me think of Mr Miyagi and his lesson to Daniel about balance and how everything in life is about balance. I think this can be applied to all things that are pleasurable. For example; eating chocolate cake once in a while probably won't have much effect on your weight ot hurt your health too much but eating it every day will. This is not about being a prude but I think anything that allows people to have extreme pleasure can lead to overuse where no matter the quantity it will never ever be enough and then you become a slave to it.
Worth mentioning, WPATH consulted with castration fetishists on their new guidelines. The Reduxx piece on this is very enlightening, as is Glinner's interview w/its author.
Cough gag vomit
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The author Genevieve Gluck has an excellent podcast called womens voices. Worth a listen. She has also been on this channel.
Oh I look forward to this. Can’t watch when the premiere is, but oh to have those two (you three) to listen to tonight when I can’t sleep (as usual😆)
@Christina… It was a good one, to be sure. Of course, as per usual, it was yours truly who brought the most insightful commentary to the chat. You know as well as I, that the BenHeads don’t always have the intellectual chops of The Kitty, nor are they capable of such outstanding brilliance and grasp of what it is to live a truly humble life, such as my own.
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It is indeed a heavy burden of which I must carry, but my kitten shoulders are broad, so I can manage the load 😺
@@NinjaKittyBonks you need therapy😆😆
…and more chai!
Obviously. 🫖😻
Now it’s the middle of the night here in Swedenland and I’m awake - time to listen to Benjamin and the lovely ladies!
Hugs to you lil kitty Ninja 🐈🐈⬛❤️
@@ChristinaChrisR ❤
such warmhearted and bright women
They're planning to put a new trans law on the vote in the Finnish parliament this autumn. At least they've left out the children for the most part, but I'm nervous about the direction we're taking nonetheless. The left especially have been disappointed they didn't include more pervasive and easily accessible medical transition for children. Lots of generally pretty trusted NGOs were pushing it, as well. "It's a human rights issue."
I'm a Finn, too. I'm so happy that they didn't manage to push children's transition further and angry that a party I voted so many times (not anymore) is pushing this. It sure is a human rights issue but in the opposite way to how they see it.
@@herecomesthesun21 The real dangers still involve the school system and the way teachers are trained. They published an interesting article in Helsingin Sanomat today, which shows how we've yet to see the peak of the push towards absolute affirmation and the q-wording of public education. Pedagogical institutions and post-docs working in expert positions have been a steady source of this stuff for many years. They're still making headway. It'll keep getting worse in the near future, unless there's a concerted effort to halt these developments and bring things back to earth.
Edit: For the ones who don't speak Finnish, the activism is already reportedly showing in the way Finnish school children act and think, in ages 7-12.
Municipal education officials are already drawing a line in the sand about adherence to the ideology. It's happening through the usual gradual stages of affecting legally binding curricula, plain sophistry and interpretive bait-and-switch tactics involving what's been written down.
The way they argued the concepts put into curricula will only get memoryholed if we let it happen. If enough people actually don't notice the shift in definitions and buy the new language, it'll eventually result in legal enforcement. This is where we need to catch them in the act of shifting definitions.
@@suspiciousentity9305 thanks for the article tip! I read it and it's horrible. What the teacher and the "expert" are advicing is just grooming and authoritarian brainwashing in my opinion. There was a chilling sentence said by the "gender expert": "You shouldn't make assumptions or think for yourself what is right or wrong." Unbelievable! You are right, the situation is getting worse in the education system. Parents should wake up to what's happening, they don't realise how serious it is, they don't see the big picture.
I don't read much traditional (or any) news media, because it makes me anxious and there are so many lies, but I've heard from my friends who are parents that the number of more or less trans identified teenagers is growing exponentially. In my friend's children's school there are so many people who are changing their names that the school administration can't keep up with it. And you're not allowed to think there is social contagion, as they advice in the article...
@@herecomesthesun21 Indeed, the encouragement not to think for yourself what is right or wrong is chilling, among many other things in the article. The g-word (gr-) tends to get comments removed/hidden, by the way. Same with the q-word.
Very good conversation. Thank you for that. It is amazing how when it comes to sex we are so obsessed with it, yet we appear not to understand it at all. I'm not at all religious, but it does seem that religions give us a very useful mental map for individuals and societies to navigate reality.
How do you explain the fact that most young gay boys are not in the least feminine. Less so in older gay men. I wasn't as a kid and I'm not now at 60 and I'm in no way ,at all, attracted to feminine men. Honestly, this stereotype is reall but if you frequently hang out in gay male spaces you will find that most are just natural to uber masculine in demeanor.
Feel so sad for these kids. 5 older brothers made me think I was a boy till I got in a fight about it @ 5 years old. Mom said, "You are a girl!" (Get over it, implied) problem solved
29:50 The problem with the question as opposed to sex is, gender tends to categorize what society thinks sex should behave like. It doesn't allow for disabilities and mental health and how they behave, sex doesn't have anything to do with behavior and social constructs. People often conflate sex and gender using them interchangeably.
Thanks for the links!
Thanks!
In the 1950s, Sydney, Australia, from Year 4 (age 9 - 10), the boys went off to be taught by Catholic brothers (e.g. Marist Brothers, North Sydney, or, e.g. Christian Brothers, St Pius X, Chatswood). Male dominated teaching of boys continued till they left school.) One man play by Ron Blair called "The Christian Brothers " (1975) about his experiences at a school in Lewisham (suburb of Sydney). Very famous. Very horrendous experience
Where can I read Stella's personal story?
I heard just a glimpse and it sounded SO fascinating!
I'm extremely lost and upset with what society has done with human sexuality. I finished my master's in sexual education last year and ideology has wrapped up my colleagues. I believe in a healthy human sexuality. But if our society is not healthy, I doubt we will develop a healthy sexuality.
Great common sense. Would like to see you interview Sam Alberry.
I've said that these people will go down in history as the people who decoded the culture war way before we all did. I've been on Benjamin's show regarding South Africa's unravelling but really I was talking about the march of nihilism that culminates in children having gender reassignment surgery.
Through groups organised on social media we are decoding the radical postmodermist battles and starting to win!
SHARE these shows, because its already happening in your community wherever you are!
I love the occasional dude-fests (beards aplenty, Boyce + Lindsay + Wokal Distance) but also appreciate the Boyce-n-Girls format.
I really enjoy Sasha and Stella because even though the subject matter is serious, they have a way of using a lightness of touch to engage the audience. Not sure about this weird guy with the beard though.
I hope Benjamin lets these two out of their little jars at the end of this podcast.
I know I'm going to run out into an Alpine meadow and proclaim my adoration of the great outdoors after watching this one.
That would be cool!
Glam rock of the 70s played around with gender in a really fun, innocuous way. But we are dealing with highly creative people who were expressing their creativity. The problem with the identity movements today is they are just bossy and lazy. They think by just telling you they are special, they are special, for a lot of people it's a shortcut to feeling unique.
I always enjoy Stella & Sasha, thoughtful and compassionate. And I am always a bit amused at how BB perks up whenever anyone says anything negative about "the left" (we're not all the same, ya know 😉)
So how are the synthetic hormones made? Yes, in a lab but I would like a more in depth discussion about this. I’ve read that estrogen is collected from pregnant horse urine but I don’t know if that info is reliable.
Yaaay!
Anne Lawrence was one of my first sources of information about gender dysphoria.
1:07:33 *Stella* : Wistfully talking about the life she would have missed had she been medicalised for her youth gender dysphoria
*Sahsa* : Crying and heartbroken at the thought of it
*Benjamin Boyce* : "Off with her b00bs"
Lol
At 1:21:10 what book is she talking about?
It sounds really interesting, but I can't find it anywhere.
It’s horrible that there is so very few therapists who are not affirming, or at least take some time to figure it the underlying issues. My daughter has underlying issues but I can’t find a therapist who will not just say “you are trans? Great, let’s get you started in treatment” it makes me so sick to my stomach that I can not even trust the medical community.
Holy key-rap that Marci Bowers part at 1:01:00 is totally bat-shirt (!)
Refreshing to know that this island of emotional and intellectual stability is alive and growing in the present Sargasso Sea of incontinent 3rd grader antics attempting to undermine the American Light On The Hill endeavor. `whew, onward!
I can see that Stella is unaware that university journalism courses for years have been steeped in post modernism "looking thru a lens nonsense" NOT attempting to find objective information . I watched this first hand when i helped a friend with their journalism classes...i was so shocked to see this crazyness
🥳🤠🤯Those faces you make when your favorite podcasters cross their streams!! woo hoo!!
I know this is old, but you mentioned you interviewed a transwoman named Jada? I can't find the video. Did I spell it right?
Becoming a Feminine Entity | with Jadis Argiope
ua-cam.com/video/vIxXD6a7xv0/v-deo.html
Please give a set up of what this is.
Love when the girls team up to give Benjamin a little "What For". Benjamin has been sitting tall in the saddle lately, so needs to knock him down a peg or two ❤
My thoughts exactly.😆
What is the problem? Psychiatrically fragile people are removing theselves, voluntarily, from the gene pool. Isn't this a good thing?
Not when they're actively targetting children (who virtually ALL struggle with identity, from late single-digits to late teens).
If it was ONLY adults buying into this nonsense, I'd be much less concerned (although that would STILL leave the problems of men in womens bathrooms, womens sports, prisons, etc. Plus the erosion of language and truth).
I want all these surgeons, psychiatrists, psychologists, other therapists or clinicians, teachers, principles to be sanctioned for pushing this nonsense and being the cause of so much harm to children and families. Some of the most outrageous should not be allowed to be in their professions.
My understanding is that testosterone does NOT make men more "aggressive".
My understanding is that it makes them less risk adverse, meaning their stronger larger bodies would put violence on the menu of options more frequently for men.
Both because they are more able to take the physical knocks AND because they are more prepared to adventure into risky areas.
I mention this because I believe women are just as aggressive as men, it's just they have to use different means to achieve their desired results.
Agreed. But because the accepted thought now is “men and women are the same except socialization” people keep forgetting bodies are the real difference and real driver.
@@nowwhat1434 tell me about it!
What is the gender spectrum, precisely? The colours of the rainbow have a specific order violet, indigo, blue .etc. every rainbow has the same order and colours. So what is the order of genders on the gender spectrum?
Does anyone have the link for the ‘self castration’ interview at 1:12:51?
Becoming a Feminine Entity | with Jadis Argiope
ua-cam.com/video/vIxXD6a7xv0/v-deo.html
Tavistock has been broken up and seeded around the UK. The problem is the mental health services that they will be integrated with are already broken. CAHMs is not delivering. Mental health in the UK is just not equipped to help out. Nevertheless the will to change the agenda is there.
who's having sex? it seems like this younger generation is the least sexual. they all pretend to be bi or pan or a or demi, but none leave the house.
Yeah, average age for losing virginity is trending older. And although birth rates have been dropping many decades, rates of adults that stay single are rising a lot recently.
In some ways, people are getting less sexual. Or (with the rise of porn, OnlyFns, etc) maybe sex is just getting more solitary? Idk
I'm about 40min in... Stella brought up the larger role of female teachers, perhaps esp in Ireland and BB said about how it's always been a heavily female profession in modern times.... now Sasha is talking about the boys being kind of maverick/pioneers, thwarting their parents computer filters, etc.
What occurs to me is that typically male attributes USED to be lauded and acceptable, within certain limits of course. The attributes are now IMO seen as "bad". They have developmental needs as males that are being severely neglected. For example, sports can be a competitive outlet and a way of having male role models & bonding... but what about the other 90% who aren't professional athlete types? Computer games? Being computer whizzes and "beating" the restrictions? There's a need to compete and excel maybe... I'm thinking as I write.... that males typically have much more of than females do. Yes yes not ALL have the need to the same extent.
I think Stella is spot on about the teaching aspect with females... but it's how the more feminine attributes are being seen as more positive and the more masculine ones are seen as more negative.
Everyone gets a prize, that sort of thing.
Cooperation = good
Competitive = bad
Hyper in tune w/emotions = good
More stoic = bad
I'm not trying to stereotype girls or boys, just saying that the normal variety of characteristics/personality facets are being made smaller and what lies outside the bounds of socially acceptable is getting bigger..... and that it's the males who are getting the short end of it.
@Shannonsayshi … Good observations (+15 purr credits to you). Clearly, male teachers of young children are frowned upon and not until probably was about 6th grade for me, that I had any that I recall. I am just approaching 58 yo, but even then I think the idea that males were considered "unsafe" around young children. As a result, we have had very little overall input of males on young children, so there is clearly a lack of the male perspective. In a perfect world, I think we would have both a male and a female teacher in a classroom, so that they could work together and present a curriculum that reaches the student body better.
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There would be cases when a female teacher might reach a student well and other times, when a male may relate better. My sense is that this has been a females domain for so long, that men are just not welcome and would not be surprised if there were concerns of males being "interested" in young children as well.
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The generalized attack on masculinity has carried on so long, as to make it very difficult for men to defend the male role model. This is seen as aggressive or "toxic", because feminism has become a MASSIVE industry and there are too many voices willing to conflate masculinity with misogyny. In fact, I think it has gone so far as to be openly accepting of misandry and both the children and older males have been in many ways "cast out" of decent society.
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This has been a long time growing and fear it will take another generation or two, before society realizes what it has done to our males and recognizes that we must correct course 😿
@@NinjaKittyBonks as well as the fear around having men around children, I also suspect that the low pay and professional regard for teachers probably puts a lot of people off these days. It's still seen as acceptable for women to earn less so I think there must be a connection there. Also, it wasn't that long ago when the main career options for women were nurse, secretary or teacher. And these jobs are still massively underpaid...I wonder why...🙄
@@mandy3404 …. Underpayed...? By what metric are you using? Men and women who occupy the same position, with the same credentials and hours, are federally mandated to get the same pay. if we want to discuss "The Gender Pay Gap"... it simply does not exist, as it is being sold by the feminist movement. That $.73 on the dollar claim, was created by adding ALL jobs occupied by women, vs ALL jobs occupied by men. It does not take into account that, on average, women do not work as many hours, negotiate as strongly as males (vacation pay, bonuses for productivity and such) and a number of other factors. I ask that you do additional research on the Gender Pay Gap, because an employer CANNOT legally pay a female less than a male, for the same qualifications. Look up "Equal Pay Act" signed by POTUS Kennedy in 1963. The gender pay gap stats are presented in bad faith, in order to paint women as victims of a patriarchy. 🐱
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Yes... there is a fear of having men around children. Sadly, males can act in the identical manner as female, but what is seen as nurturing by her, will more often be seen as inappropriate by him. This is why I said that I would like to see BOTH a male / female teacher, in those early years, so as to better academically reach those students. This is not necessary for all grades, but up to around age 10 would be a good start.
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This would address a number of things and not the least of which, would be the absence of a male role model for addressing certain behaviors that lead to poor behavior by males, later on in life. If we had male teachers reinforcing proper behavior in those younger years, we would have less poor behavior in the later ones, when it is VERY difficult to address it. The second HUGE issue that would be reduced, is the number of teachers, both male and female, that we have seen far too much of teach inappropriate things. We see teachers who feel that these young students are "of the community" and is most often female teachers who are pushing s****** related issues (gender theory, LGBTQ) upon very young children. Having both a male and female teacher, combined with parents who must be WAY, WAY, WAY more involved in the public education system, we can begin to address the deeply systemic issues of state funded schooling.
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Absolutely #1 best thing we can do.... School Vouchers! This would nip a HUGE amount of this in the bud, because these teachers would then have competition and be forced to shape up or ship out!
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The feds are DEEPLY against any and all private education.... I wonder why... 🤔
@@NinjaKittyBonks You're right, it IS illegal to pay a man and a woman different wages for the same job. That said, many employers simply ignore the law, and make all employee salaries confidential. Managers threaten underlings with dismissal if they reveal their pay relative to the same or similar jobs in the same company. Unless the Feds pull a surprise audit (which almost NEVER happens in private businesses). The Feds know better. Large corporations are the Feds' bread and butter. The whole thing is a complete, obvious fraud for which there is no earthly remedy. Period. That's how things are.
@@maxalberts2003 …Wait.... what happened to your comment..? it vanished! Maybe it will return, as sometimes they do that.
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Yes, sometimes employers will pay less to ANY employee, for all kinds of reasons and not only because they are females. There are probably SOME exceptions for an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) for things, but there are no laws that prohibit an employee from discussing their salary with others. Not like an employer can set an illegal salary, require the employee to NOT tell anyone and then have a legal "out" to escape federal law, because the employer required them not to tell anyone.
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In general, Max... your entire comment is based on the assumption that companies have no interest in having employees who value their job and willing to screw them over. I was in a family business for over 30 years and you don't get ahead by screwing your employees, because they will just go somewhere else. The idea that there is this some collusion between feds and business, in order to tell workers to STFU and just do as your told, is a load of BS. No doubt some employers _will_ do such things, but that will come back to bite them. Whether it is through legal means OR those who work there will just get a job elsewhere.
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Max, you are painting women as victims of men and the patriarchy. Please don't perpetuate this idea that women are at the mercy of everyone else and must simply be treated like crap, because they are women.
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I'll answer what is gender. It is sexual stereotyping. What's more it changes over time. Men used to love wigs, make up, high heeled shoes and until the 1940s the colour pink. There is personality and that is all. Why do you think young gay boys are feminine? Many, in fact most women are nothing like that. Indeed most gay men are not " feminised" or camp at all. As for women staying at home and men going out to work that is again a very new societal set up.
U need medical intervention for homosexuals to have children. Homosexuality takes the opertunity to naturally have children.
Wow. People bubbles.
I know no one wants to look at it, but Deb at The Reason We Learn is neck deep in SEL and how it conditions kids to accept cult thinking.
@~1:18...The consequences of sex 'with wild abandon' are SO different for males and females that a blanket statement of identical behavior for both is absurd, not to mention DISASTROUS for females.
P.S. Benjamin, I love your style of patient listening which allows your guests to share so openly and enthusiastically.
56:36 Re the gender surgeon's apparent apathy/aloofness and low expectations wrt their patient's poor life outcomes after transition, you can't help but think of the lobotomy craze and the monstrous doctors doing that "procedure".
I think if you go back 40 years or so that even if the teachers were women, the principal would be a man or the priest would be involved and in charge of the Catholic school. And the women/nuns would have respect for the man's authority.
how are you not married to sasha already ben? the fact that she's already married and you're jobless (maybe homeless too) is no excuse ben.
1:16:26 yo what?
He's drifting further and further right. Not a criticism but he should own it
What do you mean? Is professing ideas not itself a profession of position? Or do you perceive him denying or disowning a political position? Or should he label each and every one of his positions on a two dimensional political axis that means too much to too many to mean that much of anything?
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Stella suffers from confusion around the semantic discussion of what “gender identity” means in mainstream trans ideology, which is odd given her speciality and concentration on gender issues.
Imagine putting yourself out there as someone who's looked into the issue and then mistaking the anus for the colon. Where do you think the patient would excrete from? Make a routine colostomy? And then to display your resistance to an operation from your stomach turning at the thought? What about reconstructing foreskins and vulvae for victims of genital mutilation? Are we allowed to use suitable donor tissue there, or animal skin grafts (also for burn victims) when that gives better results? or must the Spirit Realm Specialists first take a sniff to see if they can stomach us using the tissue that's medically speaking the best for the patient? Jesus. You really lost me there with the appeal to disgust.
Genspect is suspect.
I hate the way you all like to crap on "radical feminists." It is the one time I lose a little bit of respect for Stella and Sasha. S2 are doing the typical female thing of going along with the male to get his approval. Besides that, another good episode from all three of you!
Your all tallking from a were all educatated to the hills position ?
Here, have a ’
It’s called an apostrophe, and it’s for people of the uneducated valley too.
@@BenjaminABoyce you get my point though ? Even your reply is odd ? What's the meaning of" here have an ' . Was that something funny or for the uni educated to understand . I rarely comment but still I watch i learn I get ridiculed for asking ?
Just ribbing your grammar, Johnny.
I don’t understand what you mean by “educated to the hills position.” And would be happy to learn what you mean.
Nice smarmy answer well done ? Yes I'm not very well educated I worked from the age of nine left school at 13 have often thought of going to nightschool but had to put food on the table , nowadays I look around and think how lucky I was not to go back? I use your knowledge I support you I watch all your interviews and will continue to do so . Grammar never put food on my table it obvious matters more to you but if my grammar offends you I can't do anything about that. See you on your next podcast
@@bazkiller you weren't writing in a way that was understandable, mate. Write better.
Ghouls. The three of you.
Whom?
What makes you say that?