This is the number one reason I won't trade in on a new Harley. I found out the hard way about the quality of stock Harley parts. Harley-Davidson -"we are a premium motorcycle". Also Harley-Davidson - you'll have to replace a lot of non-premium parts. I'm hanging on to this one after putting a lot of work into it but Harley-Davidson is not going to fool me with that again. No more Harleys after this one.
156,000 miles on mine with Stock clutch basket and clutches by performing my own fluid changes. Remember Tony is a High Performance shop for guys who want to run at top speed and performance ie... burnouts, wheelies, drag racing etc. I have a friend who uses Tucker Speed Shop and is very satisfied with their quality work! Great video!!!
Great video, I just redid most of my primary installed a dark horse and Barnett clutch was pretty straight forward good point on measuring runout on the crank I got lucky on my 96” vtwin runout was at .003 I did this all before I completed my stage 2 on the bike next thing I’m buying is that baker attitude adjuster tensioner just ran out of $$$$ after getting all the S$S Camchest parts
Solid video with great choices. Man O War products are incredible. I consider their crankshaft to be mandatory for rebuilds or big engine builds. The motorsprocket is super smooth, durable, and serviceable. I love Rekluse products and have been totally satisfied with the performance. The only thing I used into the primary on my bike project was the primary chain tensioner. I really love the Southern Oregon Hotbikes hydraulic tensioner that I had installed. Thanks for a really good, informative and enjoyable video.
Unbelievable install on how easy you made it look , super pro bro ty:. Can’t wait to tackle this whole process.. Sucks Harley uses such crap on these parts you swapped..
15,000 miles on my 21 m8 cammed 107. Took the primary off to change clutch springs. Comp and ramp were in amazingly good condition. It seems like the dudes having issues are the ones doing huge big bore kits w lots of torque. I was told all the stock parts are good till about 150 ft-lbs. after that you’ll start breaking comp ramps and clutch baskets.
That's not entirely true. We've seen tons of bikes with just a cam or even just a pipe and air cleaner break stock comp ramps. It doesn't always happen, and I'm sure riding style and other factors will affect it but they can definitely break with far less than 150 ft-lbs, we see it happen all the time at the shop. If your bike has a cam and yours hasn't had any issues I would just consider yourself lucky.
Yes I agree with you on that. I have road glide st 117ci with woods 22xe no issues at all! I also believe it all comes down how you ride. If you beat down the clutch it going blow the primary area.
Harley warns against using an impact for the comp bolt. Evidently you could cause magnets on the rotor to come loose. A big breaker bar and a sprocket lock is safe. No sense taking chances. Other than that, great video....thanks.
@@matrix1171exactly what I was thinking when he was grinding away. On a stock bike with a stage 2 the OE clutch basket is more than sufficient, the compensator side is the weak link, has been for years.
Man O War comp to stiff your clutch basket will be your new comp.. Baker manual chain tensioner, best their is IF your crank is straight... Chain oscillation will kill bearings. Engine pulse that is not adequately absorbed will kill clutch baskets and transmission teeth... I know it's hard to hear but your stock comp with polished billet tool steel ramp and a zero run out, plugged and welded crank with proper service of spring pack is the Bugatti set up for smooth trouble free longevity... I also recommend Bell Ray heavy duty CONVENTIONAL ONLY ATF fluid for primary. 🛑(NEVER USE SYNTHETIC FLUID IN PRIMARY REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR CLUTCH MANUFACTURER TELLS YOU!!) 👀 Man O War comp would be great for competition, glued services only, bikes that are pulled apart regularly... The Man O War is a slightly softer version of a solid comp delete sprocket. 🏁🏁🏁
@Tucker Speed I have a 2021 Fatboy 114 , Is it true that the Baker armored Attitude Adjuster - Full Assembly 1120-0437 wont fit softails from 2018 and newer? if so what would you suggest.... I have been looking at the Hayden M6, what's your thoughts...
Hello friends, I recently purchased a complete big bore 132 kit with 550c cam. but I'm having problems with the camplate bushing. The motorcycle only traveled 200km and the cam bushing ovalized. I'm using all the s&s parts that came in the kit. valve springs, camplate, oil pump, lifters. I was unable to identify the reason why this happened and I would like help trying to resolve it so that it doesn't happen again. I measured de crank runout and was 0.003 mm . Now de crank ruout is 0.024 mm . My bike have 23000 km and i used 5000 With The original camplate , original Springs and wood cam 22xe With zero problems. I beliche The 550 cam was The problem because The first came is enormous and The Springs are too hard and they force exactly in this direction of The bushing. I think s&s have to review the quality of The bushing material for this cams . Bearings is The best way to run big cams. I probably Will adapt one rsrs
It's hard to say without looking at it and doing some digging. I would give S&S a call and see if they've had any experience with that particular issue.
@TuckerSpeed477 i decide today to reinstall the original camplate with the wood cam . I'm using the original crank with 0.024 runout . 60 km running and the camplate is fine until now . I Will test a few days . But i suspect the problem is the 550c cam .
@@fredericorosenzweig644 Hard to say for sure. We've run that cam in many builds with no problems. We have a bike in the shop right now that has 18,000 miles on the 550 cam with no problems.
Good info but also a sales pitch.........you're a business. You said a stock motor could break the OEM clutch basket. You neglected to say a stock motor will only break the stock clutch basket if you abuse your bike frequently, doing burn outs and wheelies and clutch dumps. There's no shortage of master builders easily found on youtube with many decades of experience that will tell you the stock clutch basket even on a stage 2 motor will hold up just fine for most people. Only the extreme abusers risk clutch basket failures and you know this. Just like the stock cam chest with late 2019/2020 and newer oil pump is more than adequate for stage 2 builds and many big bore builds. You have great how to videos for those that need it but your channel is also a sales pitch. I don't blame you as it's how you make your living, but so many people think they need everything you sell and most do not.
your right on there james Harley,s are way over priced and the m8.s are really having a lot problems for sure it all comes down to cheap parts china made probably Harley, s are getting to be like they were back in the amf days i ride a harley and have for 24 years i hate to see the company going threw this . but when you skip on quality you get crap when you spend 40 grand or more on a new bike you sure dont want to spend another 10 grand on it so you can ride it . the Tech did a great job by the way
It's not just parts. Look at the paint. I just finally upgraded from my beloved evolution platform. I got a deal on a 2016 streetglide I couldn't pass up. With the 2016 sitting next to any one of my evo bikes, the degradation of quality sticks out all over the bike. From the fender fit and finish to the paint work to the fairing and saddlebag ober all build quality to the exterior cylinder millwork and on and on and on. It's literally a crying shame. All I can do is shake my head
You forgot to mention the cheap rubber parts (foot pegs,grips ect)had a 2007 softail custom for 9 years no problem with the pegs or grips traded it on a 2016 breakout the rubber on the pegs is shot,hand grips are shot and other rubber bit are showing signs of wear I think they are cutting cost on the rubber they are using and don’t get me started on the number plate light on the Australia model (on the back off the rear fender)where you can not replace the globes have been told you have to replace the whole unit I cannot find any information on how to replace the globes any where
And THAT is why I do not own an HD. I cannot justify spending $20000-$30000+ for a motorcycle that I’ll have to spend $Thousands on, AFTER I BUY IT, to make it reliable and robust. My 2006 Kawasaki is bone stock (I’ve only done routine oil and tire changes) and it is very reliable. I like bikes that run instead of spending all their time in the shop.
@@TuckerSpeed477 I’m not “anti-Harley” but I am “Pro-Reliability” and “Pro-Best Bang for my buck”. If a little bit of dissent or questioning of HD is all it takes to “trigger” HD fan-boys, then my criticisms must not be too far off from the truth.
@@lancem4473 I'm not triggered at all. Doesn't really bother me, I just always think it's weird how much time people spend trying to tell us why Harley's suck. I like Harleys and am not really into metric bikes, so I spend zero time watching videos about Kawasaki's and trying to convince people why they aren't as good or why I don't like them. I just ride what I like and don't really worry about what everyone else is doing.
@@lancem4473 Also, your comparison doesn't really make sense. You said your bike is bone stock and you've only done oil changes and tires. Harley's are also pretty reliable if you leave them bone stock. But we are a speed shop and specialize in high hp motor builds and tuning. In the beginning of the video we mentioned that these are the weak links once you start increasing the hp. Any bike is going to have some kind of weak link once you start increasing power, so a bone stock Kawasaki is not really what we are talking about.
Can't they just build a reliable engine you don't have to dump a couple of grand into to fix their engineering ---k ups? Think cam chain tensioner from years ago.I think that affected the 96 cu.in. bikes.Happened to me.
Lol I saw the bikes you own on your channel, not too worried about your opinion 😂. But keep spending all your time looking for videos about Harleys so you can run to the comments and talk shit.
just the cast ramp compensator ... if your not increasing Horse Power (pistons size, cams, ect) everything else is fine . other than the standard upgrades of seat, shocks & handle bars...
Stop calling the dark horse man o' war a compensator it is not! The company itself does not label it one for a reason! While it may compensate slightly but nothing as much as the stock it is essentially a sprocket with hunks of polyurethane.
@@ccollins9981 Yes Sir!! Thank you for your service internet warrior. We need more people patrolling the internet and correcting everything they deem incorrect.
@@TuckerSpeed477 I don’t. I surf the videos to warn people about how over-priced they are, how they’re Chinese junk and how much money you need to put into a brand-new one just to give it acceptable hp/tq and some reliability. It’s my goal to put them out of business. I don’t actually watch the videos.
It's sad that you hate a product so bad just because your ugly old lady rode off on a harley because you can't afford put gas in one,idiot's everywhere 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
You just proved my point. Maybe if you put that energy into something you DO like or something positive you'd have better results. You aren't going to put HD out of business.
@@TuckerSpeed477 Yes. I wasn’t trying to disprove it. I won’t put HD out of business but if I can steer 100 buyers away from China HD, they won’t waste their money.
The last chain driven Automobile was a Nash. Why buy 1930s technology when you can buy a gear driven transmission on every Indian! Friggin stupid to buy HD and spend thousands of dollars to update it. There’s more to a motorcycle than paint! Just sayin!
Just want to give Jordan a shoutout for the amazing Videography. Killer work!!!
Thanks Bucky.
Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Thanks for watching!
I went with the evolution clutch and man o war comp. What an improvement! New comp bolt torqued per the manual is key. Cams and heads next.
This is the number one reason I won't trade in on a new Harley. I found out the hard way about the quality of stock Harley parts.
Harley-Davidson -"we are a premium motorcycle".
Also Harley-Davidson - you'll have to replace a lot of non-premium parts.
I'm hanging on to this one after putting a lot of work into it but Harley-Davidson is not going to fool me with that again. No more Harleys after this one.
156,000 miles on mine with Stock clutch basket and clutches by performing my own fluid changes. Remember Tony is a High Performance shop for guys who want to run at top speed and performance ie... burnouts, wheelies, drag racing etc. I have a friend who uses Tucker Speed Shop and is very satisfied with their quality work! Great video!!!
Great video, I just redid most of my primary installed a dark horse and Barnett clutch was pretty straight forward good point on measuring runout on the crank I got lucky on my 96” vtwin runout was at .003 I did this all before I completed my stage 2 on the bike next thing I’m buying is that baker attitude adjuster tensioner just ran out of $$$$ after getting all the S$S Camchest parts
Solid video with great choices. Man O War products are incredible. I consider their crankshaft to be mandatory for rebuilds or big engine builds. The motorsprocket is super smooth, durable, and serviceable. I love Rekluse products and have been totally satisfied with the performance. The only thing I used into the primary on my bike project was the primary chain tensioner. I really love the Southern Oregon Hotbikes hydraulic tensioner that I had installed. Thanks for a really good, informative and enjoyable video.
Agreed! Thanks for watching, glad you found it informative.
Great video.
Swap the attitude adjuster out for a spring loaded Hayden when it bends and you’ll have some super smooth power. 😁 good vid though,cheers
Do you have Rubber Grommets in the Clutch Basket that absorb torque under initial load - On my Japanese bike I change this has having too much play -
I didnt know we had to make sure about the chain slack, was under the impression that the tensioner sets the tension.
Well Done video. Thank You.
No problem! Thanks for watching.
How long did you put it in the oven and at what temp?
REMINDS ME OF.…AND JUST LIKE…THE "TWIN CAM" ISSUE OF TWENTY TWO YEARS AGO.
Unbelievable install on how easy you made it look , super pro bro ty:. Can’t wait to tackle this whole process.. Sucks Harley uses such crap on these parts you swapped..
This guy is freaking great!! I will have to visit Tucker speed sometime soon!! thanks for the video!
Thank you! Please do.
15,000 miles on my 21 m8 cammed 107. Took the primary off to change clutch springs. Comp and ramp were in amazingly good condition. It seems like the dudes having issues are the ones doing huge big bore kits w lots of torque. I was told all the stock parts are good till about 150 ft-lbs. after that you’ll start breaking comp ramps and clutch baskets.
That's not entirely true. We've seen tons of bikes with just a cam or even just a pipe and air cleaner break stock comp ramps. It doesn't always happen, and I'm sure riding style and other factors will affect it but they can definitely break with far less than 150 ft-lbs, we see it happen all the time at the shop. If your bike has a cam and yours hasn't had any issues I would just consider yourself lucky.
@@TuckerSpeed477 15k w a cam and zero issues. Comp ramp barely even showed any wear marks and I clutch dump the piss out of it lol.
Yes I agree with you on that. I have road glide st 117ci with woods 22xe no issues at all! I also believe it all comes down how you ride. If you beat down the clutch it going blow the primary area.
Harley warns against using an impact for the comp bolt. Evidently you could cause magnets on the rotor to come loose. A big breaker bar and a sprocket lock is safe. No sense taking chances. Other than that, great video....thanks.
Good point, a breaker bar / sprocket lock is a great way to do it just to be safe.
On the basket rivets rather than grind the heads off could you use an 4 flute end mill and drill press or just a drill bit and drill press ?
How much for this setup with you guys doing the work @@TuckerSpeed477
@@matrix1171exactly what I was thinking when he was grinding away. On a stock bike with a stage 2 the OE clutch basket is more than sufficient, the compensator side is the weak link, has been for years.
Question... Andrew at Darkhorse told me it was 1/2 chain defection. This was on my TC. It is different on the M8?
I have a 2023 Road King Special with 4,600 mi.’s. At what mileage should I consider installing these upgrades?
Man O War comp to stiff your clutch basket will be your new comp.. Baker manual chain tensioner, best their is IF your crank is straight... Chain oscillation will kill bearings. Engine pulse that is not adequately absorbed will kill clutch baskets and transmission teeth... I know it's hard to hear but your stock comp with polished billet tool steel ramp and a zero run out, plugged and welded crank with proper service of spring pack is the Bugatti set up for smooth trouble free longevity... I also recommend Bell Ray heavy duty CONVENTIONAL ONLY ATF fluid for primary. 🛑(NEVER USE SYNTHETIC FLUID IN PRIMARY REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR CLUTCH MANUFACTURER TELLS YOU!!) 👀
Man O War comp would be great for competition, glued services only, bikes that are pulled apart regularly... The Man O War is a slightly softer version of a solid comp delete sprocket. 🏁🏁🏁
Why do you prefer to grind the rivets instead of drill them?
1) Baker Drivetrain Armored Attitude Adjuster - Full Assembly
1120-0437
$299.00
2) Rekluse Billet Clutch Basket - 17 & Newer M-Eight
1132-1478
$499.00
3) Rekluse TorqDrive Clutch Kit - M8
1130-0307
$579.00
4) Darkhorse Crankworks Man O-War Motorsprocket (34T) system for 07-16 Twin Cam Engines
DH-MMS-A34-TC
$594.90
$1,971.90
In the oven...What temp? how long?
How much crank shaft run out is the limit on the manowar sprocket?
.008 thou
@Tucker Speed I have a 2021 Fatboy 114 , Is it true that the Baker armored Attitude Adjuster - Full Assembly
1120-0437 wont fit softails from 2018 and newer? if so what would you suggest.... I have been looking at the Hayden M6, what's your thoughts...
So you gotta spend thousands to get the primary up to par on a basically new bike???
What brand is that little impact driver?
It's Snap-On.
Hello friends, I recently purchased a complete big bore 132 kit with 550c cam. but I'm having problems with the camplate bushing. The motorcycle only traveled 200km and the cam bushing ovalized. I'm using all the s&s parts that came in the kit. valve springs, camplate, oil pump, lifters. I was unable to identify the reason why this happened and I would like help trying to resolve it so that it doesn't happen again. I measured de crank runout and was 0.003 mm . Now de crank ruout is 0.024 mm . My bike have 23000 km and i used 5000 With The original camplate , original Springs and wood cam 22xe With zero problems. I beliche The 550 cam was The problem because The first came is enormous and The Springs are too hard and they force exactly in this direction of The bushing. I think s&s have to review the quality of The bushing material for this cams . Bearings is The best way to run big cams. I probably Will adapt one rsrs
It's hard to say without looking at it and doing some digging. I would give S&S a call and see if they've had any experience with that particular issue.
@TuckerSpeed477 i decide today to reinstall the original camplate with the wood cam . I'm using the original crank with 0.024 runout . 60 km running and the camplate is fine until now . I Will test a few days . But i suspect the problem is the 550c cam .
@@fredericorosenzweig644 Hard to say for sure. We've run that cam in many builds with no problems. We have a bike in the shop right now that has 18,000 miles on the 550 cam with no problems.
Anyone know what bag guards those are?
I believe they are from Santoro Fabworx.
Good info but also a sales pitch.........you're a business. You said a stock motor could break the OEM clutch basket. You neglected to say a stock motor will only break the stock clutch basket if you abuse your bike frequently, doing burn outs and wheelies and clutch dumps. There's no shortage of master builders easily found on youtube with many decades of experience that will tell you the stock clutch basket even on a stage 2 motor will hold up just fine for most people. Only the extreme abusers risk clutch basket failures and you know this. Just like the stock cam chest with late 2019/2020 and newer oil pump is more than adequate for stage 2 builds and many big bore builds. You have great how to videos for those that need it but your channel is also a sales pitch. I don't blame you as it's how you make your living, but so many people think they need everything you sell and most do not.
All this work to make a “fast” Harley…. Just learn how to ride
I called Dark Horse about the chain adjustment. Baker was 5/8”-7/8”. Man-o-War was 1/2”. Dark Horse told me to set it at 1/2”.
You didn't adjust the new clutches. curious why not
@@rickkoscielniak7873 hydraulic clutch. No adjustment necessary.
Amazing great job...
I got A 2019 m8 flhx.going to change pump and chest assembly.add a cam as well.but now?Harley should recall the whole damn motor.
Why take off derby cover if you removing the whole primary
Because you need it off to fill the oil after you reinstall the primary.
teflon?
your right on there james Harley,s are way over priced and the m8.s are really having a lot problems for sure it all comes down to cheap parts china made probably Harley, s are getting to be like they were back in the amf days i ride a harley and have for 24 years i hate to see the company going threw this . but when you skip on quality you get crap when you spend 40 grand or more on a new bike you sure dont want to spend another 10 grand on it so you can ride it . the Tech did a great job by the way
It's not just parts. Look at the paint. I just finally upgraded from my beloved evolution platform. I got a deal on a 2016 streetglide I couldn't pass up. With the 2016 sitting next to any one of my evo bikes, the degradation of quality sticks out all over the bike. From the fender fit and finish to the paint work to the fairing and saddlebag ober all build quality to the exterior cylinder millwork and on and on and on. It's literally a crying shame. All I can do is shake my head
You forgot to mention the cheap rubber parts (foot pegs,grips ect)had a 2007 softail custom for 9 years no problem with the pegs or grips traded it on a 2016 breakout the rubber on the pegs is shot,hand grips are shot and other rubber bit are showing signs of wear I think they are cutting cost on the rubber they are using and don’t get me started on the number plate light on the Australia model (on the back off the rear fender)where you can not replace the globes have been told you have to replace the whole unit I cannot find any information on how to replace the globes any where
Really? Do you think any Harley stock part is adequate for a stage 1 or 2.
There are plenty of parts that hold up fine, you just have to eliminate the weak points.
Definitely not the Comp. Mine went out around 20-25k. I'm looking to do a similar replacement. Probably not this clutch or adjuster.
Hardly engineering at its best! 😂
And THAT is why I do not own an HD. I cannot justify spending $20000-$30000+ for a motorcycle that I’ll have to spend $Thousands on, AFTER I BUY IT, to make it reliable and robust. My 2006 Kawasaki is bone stock (I’ve only done routine oil and tire changes) and it is very reliable. I like bikes that run instead of spending all their time in the shop.
I'll never understand why so many anti-Harley guys spend so much time watching videos about Harleys.
@@TuckerSpeed477 I’m not “anti-Harley” but I am “Pro-Reliability” and “Pro-Best Bang for my buck”. If a little bit of dissent or questioning of HD is all it takes to “trigger” HD fan-boys, then my criticisms must not be too far off from the truth.
@@lancem4473 I'm not triggered at all. Doesn't really bother me, I just always think it's weird how much time people spend trying to tell us why Harley's suck. I like Harleys and am not really into metric bikes, so I spend zero time watching videos about Kawasaki's and trying to convince people why they aren't as good or why I don't like them. I just ride what I like and don't really worry about what everyone else is doing.
@@lancem4473 Also, your comparison doesn't really make sense. You said your bike is bone stock and you've only done oil changes and tires. Harley's are also pretty reliable if you leave them bone stock. But we are a speed shop and specialize in high hp motor builds and tuning. In the beginning of the video we mentioned that these are the weak links once you start increasing the hp. Any bike is going to have some kind of weak link once you start increasing power, so a bone stock Kawasaki is not really what we are talking about.
Great video but has annoying music running in the back ground
Can't they just build a reliable engine you don't have to dump a couple of grand into to fix their engineering ---k ups? Think cam chain tensioner from years ago.I think that affected the 96 cu.in. bikes.Happened to me.
And much its going to cost,approx. $2,000😮
Without labor ?
Why HDs people are always fixing their motorcycles.. bad engineering low quality are now made in India 🇮🇳 or Pakistan?????
Lol I saw the bikes you own on your channel, not too worried about your opinion 😂. But keep spending all your time looking for videos about Harleys so you can run to the comments and talk shit.
Why would you make a big bore and not change the parts you mentioned? They were never designed for that shit!!!
Wow, M8 is junk huh? I don't think I would bother with all this.
just the cast ramp compensator ... if your not increasing Horse Power (pistons size, cams, ect) everything else is fine .
other than the standard upgrades of seat, shocks & handle bars...
M8’s are great motors, spend your money on the valve train and compensator, it will then be pretty much bullet proof.
Stop calling the dark horse man o' war a compensator it is not! The company itself does not label it one for a reason! While it may compensate slightly but nothing as much as the stock it is essentially a sprocket with hunks of polyurethane.
@@ccollins9981 Yes Sir!! Thank you for your service internet warrior. We need more people patrolling the internet and correcting everything they deem incorrect.
Of course you’ve either had problems, or will. Why? Harley’s suck. They’re overpriced, cast aluminum, pathetic Chinese motorcycles.
I’ll never understand why all you Harley haters watch so many videos about Harley’s 😂.
@@TuckerSpeed477 I don’t. I surf the videos to warn people about how over-priced they are, how they’re Chinese junk and how much money you need to put into a brand-new one just to give it acceptable hp/tq and some reliability. It’s my goal to put them out of business. I don’t actually watch the videos.
It's sad that you hate a product so bad just because your ugly old lady rode off on a harley because you can't afford put gas in one,idiot's everywhere 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
You just proved my point. Maybe if you put that energy into something you DO like or something positive you'd have better results. You aren't going to put HD out of business.
@@TuckerSpeed477 Yes. I wasn’t trying to disprove it. I won’t put HD out of business but if I can steer 100 buyers away from China HD, they won’t waste their money.
The last chain driven Automobile was a Nash. Why buy 1930s technology when you can buy a gear driven transmission on every Indian! Friggin stupid to buy HD and spend thousands of dollars to update it. There’s more to a motorcycle than paint! Just sayin!