Gday Steve, I said a few choice words for you mate so don’t stress, you are a lot stronger man then me to hold back, very nice spline and a great way to machine the part, I picked up a shaper not that long ago and love it, only a small 11” stroke P K Douglas and it has open up a whole new world of things to make, loving the channel mate, please don’t stop. ATB Matty
Steve, what I was taught about brazing was to use a neutral flame, heat the part to dull red, then apply the alloy on the side opposite the flame. The part should melt the alloy not the flame then the alloy will follow the heat between the parts. You definitely are correct that you want flux only where the alloy goes. I brazed copper to copper, copper to steel and copper to brass for 14 years in assembly line conditions before I retired. Nice braze.
Just a reminder Steve, tripaning works best using the proper tool. I have made a many for working with inconel 718. The king of metals for sure. Mainly for coring work. Nice work fella with honesty showing how working in the machine shop really happens. Sometimes you are the WINDSHIELD and sometimes the BUG. Like you shop fella Peace V
Years ago I took a piece of 12" x 12' x 1/4" hot roll plate, cut a slot halfway across it, drilled and countersunk a couple of holes, and called it a table for the vertical band saw. It takes about a minute to install and remove it. For several years I used a shim between the table and the blade guide on the saw because it wasn't level side to side. I finally took a skim off or the blade guide to make it level. Works great. Unless you have your eyes on a Do-all, It's well worth the hour or two that it takes.
I just love the shaper. That indexing wheel was Mah-Ve-Lous! Those splines are spot on! What a great garden, you sir have a green thumb! Brazing that piece on, it shouldn't go anywhere! I enjoy your video's and thank you for sharing with us!
Outstanding video again Steve. Thank you for putting the time in to film stuff, it's so good to see. On the trepanning. It's not easy and it almost always breaks tools. I have found using an 1/8 round of HSS works a treat. Just grind the end the way suits the material. Towards the end of the mad plunge cut back out and finish on the bench:-)
Steve, i have had a indexer like that for years, got it at used tool store for tig welding round shafts, no idea it could be used like that so now I have to find a metal shaper to put my $80.00 indexer on, love the channel and always learn something, who says you cant teach old dogs new tricks.Thanks.
Nice video Steve. Made me feel a little better. I have been breaking 1/8" mill bits all last week. Saturday I finally got my speeds and feeds down! So I related to your frustration. I enjoyed the mix and learned a few things, watching, other than how to break tips! LOL. Thanks for the video.
Last week you made it look difficult, hence last week's comment which was not intended to be a why use a shaper but why use a shaper on that particular job, this week you made it look easy. Well done.
LoL. I believe other than broaching or Knurling the shaper and a setup similar to mine would be the fastest way. Last week was me just seeing if I could. This week was seeing if I can for a reasonable price with the equipment I have.👍 good to see you again
Enjoyed the video. I use the same stuff to do my brazing. The indexing wheel is a great idea. I built a CNC indexer to do gears, it would work great on the shaper to do splines. Cheers!
You can never go wrong making custom tools and fixtures. They will serve you well for life eh.This is just a real nice "How to" post today my friend. Many thanks fella !
Steve: regarding the trepanning, I had a thought or question that maybe others have tried. Same issue when cutting a branch under stress with a chainsaw. Start your cut, plunge I a ways then back out and widen the cut half a blades width so it won't bind the saw blade, or in this case bind and break the trepanning tool. Then repeat the process as you feed in, gives it just a little wiggle room
Try leaving more on the trappaning tool itll mean arc grinding on the outside edge and inside to match. The strength is in the tool bits geometry. Long arc long life. Enjoyed the video , garden looks good . Thanks
Great thinking on the index tooling. Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I'm with Badgermatt; in this extreme hot weather make us a couple a day! OK, we know you have to work to keep the family so just keep up the good work and videos, Greg.
Hi Steve, Nice job as always. I like the way you did the trepanning For as long as I've been a Machinist I could never get the tool right for that I usually have to use a hole saw in the tailstock chuck I cut a circle out like that. I've broken more tools than I can shake a stick at that's why I use the hole saw.lol
That will make doing splines MUCH quicker and more error-resistant, good idea especially since it may be that you may occasionally do production runs. Nice job on it!
One thing that I see would help if you made a bolt with a handle for your indexing fixture so you wouldn’t have to loosen and tighten a cap head bolt with an Allen key.
Hey Steve, Great video as usual! Had my ankle surgery on Thursday, got home yesterday, OUCH!!!! Next surgery in 6 weeks. I'm stuck in my recliner with my foot up, do me a favor and make a couple videos a day to give me something to watch ok??? LOL J/K
I wonder what y'all have tried to keep the slug from breaking the trepanning tool? It seems to me that either the slug has to be quickly moved out, or somehow fixed in place so it can't pinch/hit the tool?
Silver solder or brazing as you called it, is correct for attaching carbide as far as my experience go's. I was making some hand scrapers one day with some carbide inserts & some cold rolled steel. I referenced a UA-cam video & the guy used brass brazing rod. I tried it & it broke off in a short time. I tried silver solder at that point & it worked pretty good.
Good to skip the jack however if you stop on a dead center you both provide support and fix a length for multiple pieces. Anyway looking good and I hope you sell many of them.
Great job on the indexer plate. Sure is nice when you can come up with ideas and make the needed tooling to implement them. It's really nice when they work! Could a "spring pass" or second stroke have improved the finish? I do similar brazing jobs at my work and we use a flat braze stock. Comes on a roll. Just cut out the size you need. I do a lot of induction brazing. Just sandwich the parts find a coil that will fit and zap it and your done. Some of the missile parts are done in a vacum chamber to prevent contamanation. Govt stuff ya know.......
A small relief groove at the end of the spline, for the shaper to end the stroke in, will solve the burr issue, and help preserve your tool grind by letting the clapper to function better.
Man, that was cool! Make a tool for a tool,to make a part,nice to be equipped to do that. Good job,sure that shaper was straining to cut those spines,haha!
Nice work Steve. Be careful pushing that shaper hard like that - perhaps try it in two or three passes next time? ;-) I have had reasonable success with trepanning, but I only hand-fed, didn't have the guts to power feed it. Cheers, Craig
My shaper really struggled with those splines 😁. Trepanning like I did always seems sensitive to feeds and speeds. It's not easy no matter how you do it. Especially for someone who doesn't do it every day. Sometimes it's best to let the lathe feed itself . Just smoother that way. Next time take it slow and hit the power feed. If it breaks, it breaks.😁
Im not good at explaining things, but I can see how you could make a revolver like mechanism to autoindex the plate just like the cylinder on a wheelgun, except you know... Ram head actuated instead of booger hook on a bang switch.
Enjoyed the viedo I noticed that you were using a high carbon flame on the torch when you were brazing the carbide tip on the cutting tool is it necessary in this process I'm new to the carbide tip process and need to do this on some tools i have it's a learn everything over again process for me
13:04 A carbide deburring tool would come in handy here. Also, why go to the trouble of making that ratcheting mechanism? I'm surprised you don't have an indexing head.
If you could fashion a faster locking mechanism on your indexer, you could move the wheel in time with the stroke you set on the shaper. I bet you could get one cut per second or two. You could do a shaft a minute !
What was the time to do the spline? If this actually becomes a product you will be making (say 100 or so), would it be worth making an OD Broach? I know that would probably be more difficult, but time=money, and if the product is too expensive in the end due to your time investment...just curious. I don't even know if that part could handle having an OD Broaching done to it.
Just scrape off that RR in the Shop sticker, and put it there. LOL - Very nice solution to decrease production time of the splines. Did you think you would be using the surface grinder as much as you are? 'Til next time.
Hi ya Steve wouldn't a rotary broach do it even quicker? I know you would have to make a die but if you get the job for making loads then it would be well worth it.
@@SteveSummers I got a genuine Rong-Fu from Harbor Freight like 25 years ago. It don't owe me a dime today. I made a larger plate like you did to cut on in the vertical position. I also made a speed jack screw to block up the vise when cutting short work in it horizontally. I got tired of scrounging up blocks whenever I did that. It's a great mod. Here's a write up about it www.instructables.com/id/4x6-Bandsaw-Vise-Jackscrew/
Gday Steve, I said a few choice words for you mate so don’t stress, you are a lot stronger man then me to hold back, very nice spline and a great way to machine the part, I picked up a shaper not that long ago and love it, only a small 11” stroke P K Douglas and it has open up a whole new world of things to make, loving the channel mate, please don’t stop. ATB Matty
Steve, what I was taught about brazing was to use a neutral flame, heat the part to dull red, then apply the alloy on the side opposite the flame. The part should melt the alloy not the flame then the alloy will follow the heat between the parts. You definitely are correct that you want flux only where the alloy goes. I brazed copper to copper, copper to steel and copper to brass for 14 years in assembly line conditions before I retired. Nice braze.
You are correct.
Nice job on the splines and parting blade. Nice fast method with the shaper.
Thanks Randy👍
Just a reminder Steve, tripaning works best using the proper tool. I have made a many for working with inconel 718. The king of metals for sure. Mainly for coring work. Nice work fella with honesty showing how working in the machine shop really happens. Sometimes you are the WINDSHIELD and sometimes the BUG. Like you shop fella Peace V
Years ago I took a piece of 12" x 12' x 1/4" hot roll plate, cut a slot halfway across it, drilled and countersunk a couple of holes, and called it a table for the vertical band saw. It takes about a minute to install and remove it. For several years I used a shim between the table and the blade guide on the saw because it wasn't level side to side. I finally took a skim off or the blade guide to make it level. Works great. Unless you have your eyes on a Do-all, It's well worth the hour or two that it takes.
A plate like he has takes no time to change. It's all you need too. Well, all most of us need at any rate.
Nice work. Much faster. Great tip always on your channel. Thank you for sharing.
I just love the shaper. That indexing wheel was Mah-Ve-Lous! Those splines are spot on! What a great garden, you sir have a green thumb! Brazing that piece on, it shouldn't go anywhere! I enjoy your video's and thank you for sharing with us!
Thanks for watching 👍😁
I like the direct indexing idea!
Outstanding video again Steve. Thank you for putting the time in to film stuff, it's so good to see.
On the trepanning. It's not easy and it almost always breaks tools. I have found using an 1/8 round of HSS works a treat. Just grind the end the way suits the material. Towards the end of the mad plunge cut back out and finish on the bench:-)
Steve, i have had a indexer like that for years, got it at used tool store for tig welding round shafts, no idea it could be used like that so now I have to find a metal shaper to put my $80.00 indexer on, love the channel and always learn something, who says you cant teach old dogs new tricks.Thanks.
Nice video Steve. Made me feel a little better. I have been breaking 1/8" mill bits all last week. Saturday I finally got my speeds and feeds down! So I related to your frustration. I enjoyed the mix and learned a few things, watching, other than how to break tips! LOL. Thanks for the video.
That's a great idea for indexing.
Last week you made it look difficult, hence last week's comment which was not intended to be a why use a shaper but why use a shaper on that particular job, this week you made it look easy. Well done.
LoL. I believe other than broaching or Knurling the shaper and a setup similar to mine would be the fastest way. Last week was me just seeing if I could. This week was seeing if I can for a reasonable price with the equipment I have.👍 good to see you again
Enjoyed the video. I use the same stuff to do my brazing. The indexing wheel is a great idea. I built a CNC indexer to do gears, it would work great on the shaper to do splines. Cheers!
You can never go wrong making custom tools and fixtures. They will serve you well for life eh.This is just a real nice "How to" post today my friend. Many thanks fella !
Steve: regarding the trepanning, I had a thought or question that maybe others have tried. Same issue when cutting a branch under stress with a chainsaw. Start your cut, plunge I a ways then back out and widen the cut half a blades width so it won't bind the saw blade, or in this case bind and break the trepanning tool. Then repeat the process as you feed in, gives it just a little wiggle room
Thanks for sharing. You will never fail if you never quit. Challenges and mishaps teach us what does not work. Nice job. Keep your chin up.
Try leaving more on the trappaning tool itll mean arc grinding on the outside edge and inside to match. The strength is in the tool bits geometry. Long arc long life. Enjoyed the video , garden looks good . Thanks
Goodnight Steve im running really late but still manage to see your video great content. Removing the chance for errors is always worth time spent
Great thinking on the index tooling. Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I'm with Badgermatt; in this extreme hot weather make us a couple a day! OK, we know you have to work to keep the family so just keep up the good work and videos, Greg.
Hi Steve,
Nice job as always.
I like the way you did the trepanning
For as long as I've been a Machinist I could never get the tool right for that I usually have to use a hole saw in the tailstock chuck I cut a circle out like that. I've broken more tools than I can shake a stick at that's why I use the hole saw.lol
That will make doing splines MUCH quicker and more error-resistant, good idea especially since it may be that you may occasionally do production runs. Nice job on it!
One thing that I see would help if you made a bolt with a handle for your indexing fixture so you wouldn’t have to loosen and tighten a cap head bolt with an Allen key.
Excellent
great job,always enjoy watching
Looks awesome.
Hey Steve, Great video as usual! Had my ankle surgery on Thursday, got home yesterday, OUCH!!!! Next surgery in 6 weeks. I'm stuck in my recliner with my foot up, do me a favor and make a couple videos a day to give me something to watch ok??? LOL J/K
I wish I could 😁. I feel lucky when I'm able to put one out a week.
Steve I envision a automatic praw activated by the sharper arm to make that job go super fast .Great video as usual
It's good to know I'm not the only one who's had the same results with a tripanning tool....
I wonder what y'all have tried to keep the slug from breaking the trepanning tool? It seems to me that either the slug has to be quickly moved out, or somehow fixed in place so it can't pinch/hit the tool?
Good instructional video
Thanks Steve, great video
Quick wire brush on the rougher splines should polish them up great. As always, thank you for sharing.
Silver solder or brazing as you called it, is correct for attaching carbide as far as my experience go's.
I was making some hand scrapers one day with some carbide inserts & some cold rolled steel.
I referenced a UA-cam video & the guy used brass brazing rod. I tried it & it broke off in a short time.
I tried silver solder at that point & it worked pretty good.
Cool trick Steve 😎 as always another great video
Good to skip the jack however if you stop on a dead center you both provide support and fix a length for multiple pieces. Anyway looking good and I hope you sell many of them.
Great, I was just about to do a trepanning job today and I see this! lol Oh well, if it breaks it breaks :-)
Yeah! LOL
Nice setups and thanks
Good job
Good Job Steve now you can cut 31 spline axels too!
Great job on the indexer plate. Sure is nice when you can come up with ideas and make the needed tooling to implement them. It's really nice when they work! Could a "spring pass" or second stroke have improved the finish? I do similar brazing jobs at my work and we use a flat braze stock. Comes on a roll. Just cut out the size you need. I do a lot of induction brazing. Just sandwich the parts find a coil that will fit and zap it and your done. Some of the missile parts are done in a vacum chamber to prevent contamanation. Govt stuff ya know.......
good job
A small relief groove at the end of the spline, for the shaper to end the stroke in, will solve the burr issue, and help preserve your tool grind by letting the clapper to function better.
I do have a slot at the end James. It needs to be a couple thousandths deeper. 👍
Some good ideas end up costing tool breakage glad it all worked out.
Gotta love direct indexing 😁
Nice work
nice work, enjoyed the video, as always..
How about a piece of round in the groove to hold up with the jack? Regards, Matthew
i can see how this method would be much better for finer spline cuts than a mill.
Man, that was cool! Make a tool for a tool,to make a part,nice to be equipped to do that. Good job,sure that shaper was straining to cut those spines,haha!
Maybe you could show one time how do you align indexing head axis and ram axis to be parallel
Great Job Mate love you work you make it so easy but it not lol :-)
Thanks for sharing.👍
Thank You for sharing 👍 I wonder if 3d printed index wheel would work as well.
Nice work Steve. Be careful pushing that shaper hard like that - perhaps try it in two or three passes next time? ;-)
I have had reasonable success with trepanning, but I only hand-fed, didn't have the guts to power feed it.
Cheers,
Craig
My shaper really struggled with those splines 😁. Trepanning like I did always seems sensitive to feeds and speeds. It's not easy no matter how you do it. Especially for someone who doesn't do it every day. Sometimes it's best to let the lathe feed itself . Just smoother that way. Next time take it slow and hit the power feed. If it breaks, it breaks.😁
Im not good at explaining things, but I can see how you could make a revolver like mechanism to autoindex the plate just like the cylinder on a wheelgun, except you know... Ram head actuated instead of booger hook on a bang switch.
Enjoyed the viedo I noticed that you were using a high carbon flame on the torch when you were brazing the carbide tip on the cutting tool is it necessary in this process I'm new to the carbide tip process and need to do this on some tools i have it's a learn everything over again process for me
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13:04 A carbide deburring tool would come in handy here. Also, why go to the trouble of making that ratcheting mechanism? I'm surprised you don't have an indexing head.
Morning Steve! Hey how about sending some of that dry weather east to me. It would be nice to cut the lawn dry once or twice this year.
Be careful what you ask for last fall I asked for him to send some rain my way and we had one of the wettest winters on record.
Eric Richards : I live just east of Steve in the same state. We've had flash flood warnings every week since May.
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PING!.... that's when the special characters come in handy...Aww ##$%@!!
Hi Steve,
Another interesting video and good idea.
Did you lock the clapper box for this job?
Thanks for sharing.
No, I didn't lock the clapper. 👍
If you could fashion a faster locking mechanism on your indexer, you could move the wheel in time with the stroke you set on the shaper. I bet you could get one cut per second or two. You could do a shaft a minute !
better every time keep going :) micky UK
takes half the time, but billed at the same price.
I doubt it.
Nobody would pay the price, if he was making them all like the first one.
I'm sure he's trying to get it down to a price people *will pay.
What was the time to do the spline? If this actually becomes a product you will be making (say 100 or so), would it be worth making an OD Broach? I know that would probably be more difficult, but time=money, and if the product is too expensive in the end due to your time investment...just curious. I don't even know if that part could handle having an OD Broaching done to it.
And now any diameter of shaft that'll fit in a 5c collet can have 31 splines cut into it.
Just scrape off that RR in the Shop sticker, and put it there. LOL - Very nice solution to decrease production time of the splines. Did you think you would be using the surface grinder as much as you are? 'Til next time.
Loking good I am putting you small item and put in the mail. Steve when I do a part lie that I drill and arbor it
GOOD JOB CHEERS
So your son will be cutting hundreds of splines soon?
Hi ya Steve wouldn't a rotary broach do it even quicker? I know you would have to make a die but if you get the job for making loads then it would be well worth it.
Yes, it would be faster.
do you have any videos of you setting up the harbor frieght bandsaw. Could use some insight to get mine running better.
No, I dont. I believe I've seen some on YT before. Most saws work in exactly the same manner.
@@SteveSummers I got a genuine Rong-Fu from Harbor Freight like 25 years ago. It don't owe me a dime today. I made a larger plate like you did to cut on in the vertical position. I also made a speed jack screw to block up the vise when cutting short work in it horizontally. I got tired of scrounging up blocks whenever I did that. It's a great mod. Here's a write up about it www.instructables.com/id/4x6-Bandsaw-Vise-Jackscrew/
Don't you just hate that "TING" sound when attempting a cutting operation on the lathe? DOH!!
Were it not for cursing, some days I would be totally silent.
FIFTH! 😎😎😎👍
Waddya say? Well shucks. (translation irrelevant.)
Shapers equals outdated machinery. Horizontal mill is the way to go.
Think about the cutting process for a second. Do you believe a horizontal mill would cut this faster than the shaper?