Making Lathe Tooling on the old Cutter grinder. Shop supply run.
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2023
- This week we make some lathe tooling on the cutter grinder, we also make a supply run to the welding gas store in the 1886 C30 crew cab dually named Johnny cash. Thanks to everyone who take the time to watch the videos.
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Well as Shakespeare once said "parting is such sweet sorrow"
I am 70 years old and a retired toolmaker. When I started my apprenticeship after sweeping floors,and emptying chip bends for several weeks my first time was spent learning how cutters worked, and learning to be a tool grinder. Thanks for the video
The wheel nut omission shows why I love YT vids. It's what happens in the real world....to all of us. You can't edit those things in real life and you shouldn't on UA-cam. Thanks for posting.
One of my favorite types of video! Practical application of supplies in a "real environment". Keep up the great work.
Loving those country roads shots in the beginning!
If nobody has told you lately...The production value of your videos, particularly noticeable in this one, is top notch! The different camera angles and different view points, the B-roll stuff with the dog, The voice overs in places, speeding up the monotonous parts, the sound quality, etc.... I'm not sure who does all that but They're doing a great job. I know how time consuming that can be. It used to take me many hours more than actually shooting the raw footage. Top notch channel. It's why I never miss one of your Saturday morning videos. Not to mention the awesome content for tinkerers like me. 🦾🦾
Thank you friend👍. Everything is adjusted or added in the editing. It takes me hours to edit a video like this one.
I would say 4 hours at least from start to finish to get the footage from individual clips to finished video. I wish I could say my personal editor does it all 😄.
For sure
@@SteveSummers I thought that maybe your wife was helping you out with that so I didn't want to assume it was all you. Great job! Most people don't realize just how much work it is to polish a video like this.
I agree with you.
Thx for to the ride along in Johnny Cash. Not sure how Elisabeth let you drive her truck, but that will be another video, hehe! Been awhile getting to watch, but the cancer treatments are kicking this ole Tx Bear's butt. Thx for a chance to hang out, Bear
Johnny Cash is on the job!😊
Fresh hair cut too!
Sorry I'm just drinking some cold snacks watching your videos but worry about how much you share 😊😊😊😊😊
Johnny Cash sounds pretty gos darn good.
"Parting is such sweet sorrow. ..." Wm. Shakespeare, Romeo & Juliet, Act II Scene II. Quoth Juliet. Oops, sorry, wrong kind of parting. Yet for some machinists, parting is not the most enjoyable tasks, truly, parting IS such sweet sorrow. Thanks for the video. Jon
Enjoyed, great discussions /demonstrations
Thanks for showing that tool grinding fixture. I always wondered how to do that with shaky hands.
Perhaps the wedge washer is missing off the tool steel holder?
Beautiful country
I love these videos and look forward to them each weekend. I also love Cora. She reminds me so very much of my 1st childhood dog, Fritz, approaching 60 years ago. I get a lump in my throat.
Being pedantic ... While argon is the 3rd most common gas in the atmosphere, it only represents 0.93% of the atmosphere.
Regardless, that gas is expensive. No matter how well-off one may be, It makes senses not to be wasteful.
Thanks Steve!
The main problem with all cutting tools is supporting the cutting edge. The standard parting clearance angles for our production tools: Both side clearance angles 3 degrees, front 5, vertical side clearance 1degree. Top rake varied from 5 to 15 degrees dependent on material. These tools would be used on our production, bar autos, at quite adventurous speeds
Hi everyone, from Dorset, UK 👋
Good afternoon from Lincolnshire 🇬🇧
The exhaust on your truck sure got my subwoofer chuffing! Sounds ace mate.
When your HSS holder was made tapered washers were a common item, one of those would have been used for bolting the jig to the table. Taper washers were mainly used for connections to the once common taper flange I beam.
Plus you can see all the years of the clearance for the HSS blank being too short, and it crashing into the base casting as well as making the tool correct.
Wow! I thought I lived out in the boonies!
What a great way to get a day going. A mission, cruise complete with tunes and Steve at the helm with Elizabeth as swamper. SWEET ! The rest of the post is great. Lessons on everything from welding, home made tooling and more. Thanks a bunch Steve. See you next post my friend.
My guess is definitely shop made, from a section of fairly large I-beam, as that base "looks" like it matches the taper of an I-beam flange. As another commenter mentioned, there are tapered washers made for this application. I've heard them referred to as "hillside" washers. Not sure if you'll find them in a box store hardware section, but I'm sure somewhere like Fastenal, McMaster, etc. will have them. Would be simple enough to make though.
If it was I-beam the part where the disk sits wouldn't be at an angle though. I think it used to either be a piece of thick angle iron or an originally square disk flange where the bottom side got machined to an angle. Bet the hole where the bolt goes through is at an angle as well. Would be good to have either an angled washer as mentionned, or a spherical washer with a conical seat. Those are even able to adapt to any angle, so very handy where you have to adapt for any kind of misalignment.
Comment for the algorithm !
Steve, use your diamond saw and chop out that chunk on parting blade, rather than turning it into grit on the bench grinder. Should be lots faster and put less heat into the remaining stock.
Retired now but for the last 10 years of work I rarely ground up any tools. Because I was involved heavily in CNC troubleshooting and prototyping nearly all my tooling was insert type. If I didn't have the insert the customer would supply me with the ones they were using. I built up a large collection essentially free and as a bonus for my own use they would let me take some out of the "scrap" carbide tub (In production they always changed the inserts regularly whether they were worn or not - last thing they wanted was a broken insert wrecking a job or worse).
If you ever get into one of those Mad Max Thunderdome type of scenarios those spiked front wheel rims are going to come in real handy! LOL.
Shakespeare "parting is such sweet sorrow" must have been a machinist at heart.😅
nice save!!!!
Parting is such sweet sorrow. somone said. I would use Stan's Anchor Lube btw
Must be lathe tool day...
You posted this & Quinn Dunki posted a rather good video on what all the lathe tools are for.
Cora now is one year with Steve.
Man those are some narrow lanes and you hate the ditch lol.
Shars makes a real nice insert parting tool that would fit your holders because I have the same Holder And I got the parting tool
Great stuff! I do need to aquire one of those vices!!!
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken!
I've been welding for nearly 20 years now. Not professionally or even properly trained, just an incidental of being a mechanic. But I was today years old when I realized that post flow means after. I knew it was how long after but I just never connected post and after. I don't think I'm explaining it right, but I hope you know what I mean.
You wait all week for your favorite Saturday Morning video and just like that, it's over. It's just very interesting with everything you do. Much enjoyed, so till next time, take care.
To rough out the cutoff bit, I'd use a .045 wheel on an angle grinder and cut the corner off instead of turning all that HSS into dust. The insert type of parting blades are a game changer and are very predictable where the HSS type can go along well, then SNAP!
Have to agree, a 1mm disc in an angle grinder would save time, easy enough to leave a grinding allowance for finishing so accuracy is not important just cut out a block.
Crikey, Steve! 29:50
Parting is such sweet sorrow!
That piece is shop made. Greetings from Germany.
Probably copied by an apprentice as a test piece from a commercially produced one. Greetings from Somerset, England.
Maybe the tool holder was redone once, giving it a shop made base to the remnant of the bought part with the indexing on it...
Nice explanations, even I could follow them...
😂👍👍👍
Biggest HSS tool blanks I have are 3/4" square as thats as big as I can go on my lathe, I mostly use carbide insert tools but a large pile of used hss is useful for special one off tools.
12" square lathe tooling is the biggest I have heard of existing.
Hey Cora!
Happy Saturday Steve, Cora, and Grits. Informative video. I find HSS Tooling more forgiving and much less expensive. Learned alot from you and Quin. Thanks for sharing, God Bless.
It takes a lot of energy to extract Argon from the atmosphere. They have to cool the air enough for the argon to become liquid. Lot of energy. Oxygen liquifies first at -297F. Then Argon at -302F Nitrogen is last at 320F.
I've been watching you for years I know you know better none of us gets that awesome of equipment just get handed to us but hey great videos I like watching them
Good Morning Folks. Have a good weekend Steve and Family.
Great information. Thanks Steve!
appreciate the extra time you've been putting into your content guys, really shows!
Kinda funny Steve, that u had run over the Yellow Submarine!! Making ur own Lathe Tooling saves u money.. lv ur Dog..
Please get a 90deg for the output on the grinder with a short extension and a metal bucket underneath you will be amazed at how much grinding dust you will keep from blowing around the shop.
Well that's great information for someone who has big money to buy big money welders but most of just get to set our regular and adapt and if there is too much wind then hello shield yourself from the wind hell I'm lucky to afford the shield gas I got I can't afford to play that game you was talking about I just adapt my welding to the atmosphere I'm working in
This is not understandable without punctuation! What are you trying to say?
The dog said 'I don't do math.
Thanks again, Steve.
I grind custom tools for boring all the time. That appears to be a realm that insert tooling has not approached much. Only bad thing about driving the crew dually is most places make it rather difficult to park.
Yeah, the type of work you do and the tooling you need for those often large and custom jobs often have to be made. Sometimes, a piece of HSS and a grinder is all ya need. Elizabeth has really started enjoying that crew cab lately. In the beginning, she was pretty nervous. Parking close and drive-through lunch are not happening 😄.
We both really like that old truck.
It's really good to see you
@@SteveSummers I take mine thru the drive through all the time but you better hit your marks or you going to be hitting poles and curbs! 😂
Just plug into the atmosphere a your problem is over 😂
Yeah….oops…that’s something I am guilty of all the time!!! You can’t crank on those wheels but you got to tighten them….a very fine line!
Well Steve, at least one person reads your video description... and spots the typo 🤪"1886 C30" Always a welcom Saturday pleasure to get one of your videos!
It's a very old classic 😄
You tell her that’s a Country Girl Cadillac
Thank you for sharing.👍
It's been a long time since I have done any machine work I do remember parting could cause headaches. (Especially for the inexperienced machinist). E.G., getting a cut without a burr, etc. Ran a Browne and Sharpe screw machine for while. Some setups used a powered carbide saw. It made a really nice cut It lost coolant flow, or I I did something stupid.
Good stuff
Thanks for making the cutter grinder work. I was just wondering about it.
Good to hear that parting off can be / is difficult after having demolished two parting tools!
Oh man those wheels nice
Thanks Steve
I noticed as you were using the grinder near the door there was a lot of sparks flying out the back if it, would it be an idea to put a 90 degree bend tube on the outlet so you're not firing thousands of hot, sharp pieces of metal over everything behind the grinder?
Fillin those tanks reasonable priced over there almost dibble that here
Dickson toolposts and holders are still made by the 600 group (Colchester Lathes etc) in the UK and should be available through Clausing in the US. though I couldn't see them on the Clausing website looking from here in the UK.
Bison make a licenced copy of the Dickson and the various toolholders for less money.
There are cheaper copies available from India but the quality is a bit hit and miss
Hi Steve. First ride for us in Johnny Cash! Sounds good and looks like it rides good. Too bad about the yellow line paint. Maybe some acetone on a rag would take that off the body. I think that fixture you showed was probably shop made. It seems a commercial one would have a brand on it somewhere. That, coupled with the way the through hole is angled, like you mentioned, it what I'm basing that on. Thanks for the video!
You could lock that little fixture down with a spherical nut. I use those on my mill most of the time because we have the same problem with fixturing clamps. The side on the part is supposed to be a bit higher than the side on the support, so regular fixturing nuts don’t sit flat. Pretty common. I buy mine from McMastercarr as with most stuff.
Wow. Grinding that much waste away on the bench grinder would drive me crazy! I’ve used an angle grinder to do that with a thin cutoff blade. If you’re halfway careful the blade will work well and much more quickly. I put the part in the vise and swipe it with a wet sponge.
Make sure your tanks say customer owned when you get them back . So you don't lose them to the gas company.
Love the vids, maybe the fixture was commercial but then altered to suit their needs? (The hole for example)
Nice HSS tool holder. First I think it was not a shop-made fixture. The angle base appears to be a casting with draft which makes me think someone was producing enough quantities to invest in casting parts. I also think there is a piece missing, the slotted wedge that goes under the base to adjust the side relief angle, 0-2 degrees (probably?). It works as-is but that’s a bit more side relief than needed. The angle on the mounting hole makes me think it’s oversized enough to suit about 2 degrees angular movement so the nut would seat flush. Maybe? It is an odd feature to an otherwise clever designed fixture. Thanks for sharing the details and I may just build a 3D model and print one to test the concept.
Another gas saver , MiG guns can be capped at the feeder end, allowing a further CFM drop.
I like a vinyl cap sized to the wire, over the liner end.
Pe-We has good toolposts.
I love my cutter grinder, but i have to say even with 4 large boxes of tooling and fixtures, i still need to make things for almost every job. my compound angle fixture does not have a vice, just a slot, so i think i will enlarge the slot and put in setscrews just like yours. Mine is out of the 20s, there must be something missing or it was made for a specific purpose, as i don't even see any marks from trying to mount things like a small vice, or clamp. Nice video!!
Someone show Vevor that grinding fixture so I can buy one next month!😜
The washer for the hold down could have been a wedge shaped washer that has been lost. That was fairly common at one time.
Hey if you would give a shot out to This N Thats garage. Be great to see you troubleshoot his Dads lathe and make a video
I have a dickson style tool post on my old lathe , i found when trying to part off the tool holder trys to nose dive so i made a support out of a bit of 1" by 2" bar that rests across the sadle for the toolholder to slide on, it makes it alot more rigid and i now have a lot more success parting off.(im still not brave enough to power feed)👍
It may be a common gas but extracting it is hard.
Argon is isolated by fractionally distilling liquid air. Liquifying air is no mean feat. Industrially, the Linde method is employed.
@@eliduttman315 I was aware of the principle in general terms and that it costs a fair amount of energy.
I think the fixture is shop made. Possibly with the inspiration of a National Acme Chaser Grinding Fixture.
Pretty country you live in Steve, evening from New Zealand
Well Steve.... Looks like you are taking a lot of heat on your lug nut dressing... I say.. Screw em.. Run what you like!
Interesting video by the way.. Thanks.
Russ
I don't mind if other people like them or not . Bring on the heat! 😄 Those spike lug covers were actually ordered by accident. I ended up waiting too long to return them. We wanted the acorn type covers.
Once we lose a few them, we can get the ones we wanted😄.
@@SteveSummersLOL that is something that I would have done.
Grinding the cutting blade, I wonder how a white mask would have looked at the end had you worn one.
They do not charge much for the Argon, they charge for removing everything else.
maybe at 1 time there was an angled plate or washer under the nut.
Where I live we can own 250 cf and 300 cf tanks and it’s more cost effective to buy as big as possible like a 125-150 cost 50$ to refill and 250 cf cost 60-70$ and 300 cost 75-80 of oxygen and prices are similar wjrh other gases be more you buy thr cheaper it is also you have to factor every time you get bottles swapped out they charge you a bunch of fees for handling no matter how many tanks you bring you you pay like 30$ in fees so it pays to fill up
As many at a time to save on fees
Wear your seatbelt, Steve! I've seen how Kentuckians drive. 🤣
Thanks Steve, as an amateur machinist I got a lot out of that. Is there a reason not to use a surface grinder to do the same job as the cutter grinder? As to gas cylinders, I thought they were adding gold dust to the argon the way they charge for it. Cheers mate, Stuart 🇦🇺
you could make a vouple of differeny size tool holders for that
Very enjoyable and educational video. Thanks. As to price of gases, hydrogen is the most plentiful gas in the galaxy and yet producing relatively pure hydrogen is such an expensive process that using it as fuel is unthinkable. As attractive as hydrogen vehicles appear they are unfortunately pointless due to the negative energy household of hydrogen, i.e. it takes more energy to produce a given amount of hydrogen as that amount can itself produce. This is similar to wind energy. The universe does not believe in free lunches.
So what you are saying is parting can be such sweet sorrow? ;)
Almost a case of where did you go loose wheel. Bench grinder really needs to be dressed as well, with that rounded over corner. But the first holder is nice, just needs to go to the mill, get held down by some clamps, and have that mounting hole counterbored the diameter of the washer, plus a touch of slack, so the nut is clamping evenly.
One of the things I do not understand is why so many are using a CO2 argon mix for MIG welding. You can get perfectly acceptable MIG welds on steel with straight CO2 which is much cheaper.
I have used both - the argon/CO2 mix is much cleaner. CO2 results in a huge amount of spatter all over my work, whereas the argon mix leaves hardly any.
Could there have been an angular cut washer that went the fixture?
Want a good ride? Replace rear spring shackles with Velvet-Ride joints; put a set on my '96 F350 DRW crew cab with Air Ride bags in '98 & never looked back.
I gotta check that out. I have an 05 f350 dually that I've restored...might be my next project if the wallet permits.