This is a brilliant trial that you have done, and its changed the way I will think about returning deeply hooked fish. Your thoughts of dispatching the fish and removing the hook is good. It may be a good idea to use the fish as bait or cut them into smaller pieces before putting them back in the sea. I do try and remove deep hooked fish through the gill flaps but it doesn't always work.
Thank you very much fpr the kind words. If the fish is over the size limit I’ll take it for the table more often than not, I don’t tend to use them for bait as I always seem to have more bait than I need with me. Fish welfare seems to be a low priority to some anglers, hopefully this might go a little way to change this. Thanks again Michael, tight lines.
Hi mate , very interesting. I usually go frew the gills n turn the hook and then pull it bk frew. Or use my t- bar for round fish. So I don't have that problem really. I do hate to see people struggling with flat fish n damaging them. When I have heard anglers saying its OK it will rust out in a couple of weeks I always 4ght surley it takes longer, as you have showed. All the best from GRIMSBY.
I remove hooks exactly the same way as you and have never left a hook in a fish. Removing hooks is quite a skill and takes practice. I’ve found UA-cam a good source of info in doing it properly . I hope this video might make a few people think twice before leaving a hook in. Thanks for watching and commenting Carl. Tight lines, all the best from NORWICH.
@@theangliaangler I learnt off fish'os chanel on you tube. Gutted he Don't film now as I learned alot off him. Like ya self fish care is no.1 . It duz take confidence to go frew gills but now it comes 2nd to none. Love ya chanel all the best from G.Y
A very useful trial, and I admire your dedication to a long-term experiment. The factors that aren't included are the wound reaction from the fish - the chemicals mobilised, the inflammation, and the movement of a living fish. The barb tends to corrode first - it's the thinnest point of the hook shaft. How quickly does the hook corrode enough for it to work it's way out of the flesh to be regurgitated? I have cut the line and returned fish in the past. But I do tend to now think along the same lines you do. If it's that deep hooked it is for the best to dispatch the fish. I find this is particularly a problem with the smaller dabs who sometimes ingest a bait (hook and all) fully into the stomach (beyond the point you can use the gill plate technique to reverse the hook). Counterintuitively this seems to be a worse problem the larger the bait. I think this is to do with the point at which the fish stops ingesting, closes it's mouth and feels the hook/line. Smaller baits require a smaller/shorter bite. Fish physiology also encourages larger baits to be taken deeper quickly - they can't chew.
I agree with everything you say. One of the reasons I did the experiment was that anglers who leave the hook in were just not that bothered about the consequences of doing so. If the video just makes people think twice I’ll be happy. Thanks for watching George and I appreciate you taking the time to express your views.
Something else I've realised reading the other comments. Seawater contains more than just sodium chloride, and the water in the bottles will have gone stale over the period of the experiment. It would be interesting to see if corrosion was substantially faster in natural seawater that was kept aerated and changed daily or weekly to maintain the dissolved oxygen content. Chloride ions assist the corrosion process, but oxygen is still required for rust.
@@George_Salt You are proberly right about the aeration etc. I did change the water a couple of times, it was only only thing I could control. As long as the video makes a few people think twice thats as much as I can hope.
I must admit I didn’t as I thought the only reason the hooks would corode was the salt. So just made sure the salt concentration was correct. The hooks might rust away quicker when in a living fish or its possible it might take longer. I just hope the video might make people think more about the consequences of leaving hooks in fish. Thanks for watching and commenting Ruby.
That was my intention, just to make a few people stop and think. So far every one who has commented has been in agreement that’s it better to dispatch the fish rather than leave the hook in. Thanks for watching Nigel and commenting.
Great to watch as always Sir :)
Many thanks for sharing and please keep posting. I always enjoy your videos .
All the best.
Cheers.
Robert.
Thank you Robert, I’ll do my best.
This is a brilliant trial that you have done, and its changed the way I will think about returning deeply hooked fish. Your thoughts of dispatching the fish and removing the hook is good. It may be a good idea to use the fish as bait or cut them into smaller pieces before putting them back in the sea. I do try and remove deep hooked fish through the gill flaps but it doesn't always work.
Thank you very much fpr the kind words. If the fish is over the size limit I’ll take it for the table more often than not, I don’t tend to use them for bait as I always seem to have more bait than I need with me. Fish welfare seems to be a low priority to some anglers, hopefully this might go a little way to change this. Thanks again Michael, tight lines.
Hi mate , very interesting. I usually go frew the gills n turn the hook and then pull it bk frew. Or use my t- bar for round fish. So I don't have that problem really. I do hate to see people struggling with flat fish n damaging them. When I have heard anglers saying its OK it will rust out in a couple of weeks I always 4ght surley it takes longer, as you have showed. All the best from GRIMSBY.
I remove hooks exactly the same way as you and have never left a hook in a fish. Removing hooks is quite a skill and takes practice. I’ve found UA-cam a good source of info in doing it properly . I hope this video might make a few people think twice before leaving a hook in. Thanks for watching and commenting Carl. Tight lines, all the best from NORWICH.
@@theangliaangler I learnt off fish'os chanel on you tube. Gutted he Don't film now as I learned alot off him. Like ya self fish care is no.1 . It duz take confidence to go frew gills but now it comes 2nd to none. Love ya chanel all the best from G.Y
A very useful trial, and I admire your dedication to a long-term experiment. The factors that aren't included are the wound reaction from the fish - the chemicals mobilised, the inflammation, and the movement of a living fish. The barb tends to corrode first - it's the thinnest point of the hook shaft. How quickly does the hook corrode enough for it to work it's way out of the flesh to be regurgitated?
I have cut the line and returned fish in the past. But I do tend to now think along the same lines you do. If it's that deep hooked it is for the best to dispatch the fish. I find this is particularly a problem with the smaller dabs who sometimes ingest a bait (hook and all) fully into the stomach (beyond the point you can use the gill plate technique to reverse the hook). Counterintuitively this seems to be a worse problem the larger the bait. I think this is to do with the point at which the fish stops ingesting, closes it's mouth and feels the hook/line. Smaller baits require a smaller/shorter bite. Fish physiology also encourages larger baits to be taken deeper quickly - they can't chew.
I agree with everything you say. One of the reasons I did the experiment was that anglers who leave the hook in were just not that bothered about the consequences of doing so. If the video just makes people think twice I’ll be happy. Thanks for watching George and I appreciate you taking the time to express your views.
Something else I've realised reading the other comments. Seawater contains more than just sodium chloride, and the water in the bottles will have gone stale over the period of the experiment. It would be interesting to see if corrosion was substantially faster in natural seawater that was kept aerated and changed daily or weekly to maintain the dissolved oxygen content. Chloride ions assist the corrosion process, but oxygen is still required for rust.
@@George_Salt You are proberly right about the aeration etc. I did change the water a couple of times, it was only only thing I could control. As long as the video makes a few people think twice thats as much as I can hope.
ive never returned a fish with a hook in it started fishing at 14 now 57
Nice to know. Thanks for watching and the comment. Tight lines lucky man.
This is something I’ve wondered as well. I’m shocked it took that long to rust. Did you consider using actual sea water for this?
I must admit I didn’t as I thought the only reason the hooks would corode was the salt. So just made sure the salt concentration was correct. The hooks might rust away quicker when in a living fish or its possible it might take longer. I just hope the video might make people think more about the consequences of leaving hooks in fish. Thanks for watching and commenting Ruby.
@@theangliaangler Did the salt settle in your bottle at all?
@@rubythescooby4002 No, I did make sure it was fully dissolved.
I would not return a fish with a hook still in it.
Def makes you stop and think. Personally i do think its better to dispatxh the fish quick incase it suffers and use it as bait
That was my intention, just to make a few people stop and think. So far every one who has commented has been in agreement that’s it better to dispatch the fish rather than leave the hook in. Thanks for watching Nigel and commenting.