I attempted to attend WOFT back in 1985 under the High School to Flight School program. Passed the FAST test and Warrant Officer Board, only to be denied because of a vertical astigmatism that was "2 clicks" too far out of standard. Broken hearted, I decided to go Airborne Infantry Unassigned Ranger instead. Years later, as a Drill Sergeant, I found out during Summer Training for ROTC students, that if I had gone to OCS, I would have passed the standards for commissioned officer rotary wing pilot. Been retired now since 2002 and not sure what the standards are today, but keep this in mind if this is your dream and the same obstacle is put in front of you.
I was class 86-41 (WOC IERW) in 2011 it was discovered I too had astigmatism but somehow passed back then and through the years. I retired in 2015 and miss the flying... not the Army BS, just the flying and the people
I always tell people even though I'm just in college right now that if you are going into the military you need to be ready to make the recruiter work for you. Don't let them shoehorn you in and wind up just being another notch in their quota belt.
I was a Naval Aviator in the Marine Corps. One thing people should be aware of is that there is much more night flying today than there was for us in Viet Nam. NVGs were not in the inventory then.
So much more in the Navy. You had to be a college grad, right? Army warrant officers all you need is a high school diploma. Or that is what it used to be
I am sure it's changed since I was in 1969-1973, but they recruited me right out of my senior year of high school. I already had a helicopter license since I had been spraying crops for a while, but that's how I did it. No glamour, we knew right where we were headed. Vietnam.
I wish you were around in 2000 to tell me about WOFT. Great information! Well done and never forget "Above the Best". For those that don't know what that means we fly and fight above the skies to keep our ground heroes safe! Best Regards, CW4 Retired, Iraq, Afghanistan (Apache Pilot.)
Finding the right recruiter is probably the best advice in this video. Back in 1980 (the dark ages), I decided I would try for Army Aviation. The whole process was absolutely miserable. After I took the ASVAB, my recruiter called me and said "Well, you can have basically any job in the Army that you want that doesn't require a college degree (officer)." He already knew I wanted to go aviation so he set me up for the aviation aptitude test (what is now the SIFT). After I took the test, I waited, and waited, and waited. Finally he called and said "Bad news...you failed the test". Now, I had been an aviation buff for years...I knew a LOT about flying without having never actually flown. I knew the instruments, I knew the weather, etc. I told the recruiter "I have taken a LOT of test in my life...there is NO WAY I failed that test." He called me back a few days later and told me "I just found out that the scoring methods were changed....you passed the test". Next was the physical. I had some issues with vision, but the flight surgeon asked if was was planning on flying supersonic aircraft. I said no, so he signed off. I was scheduled for the Oral Review Board THE NEXT DAY....again, uninformed recruiters. After a 6 hour bus ride, I was told that my packet had not had time to reach the board and I would have to come back next month. A week later, I got a job offer that was too good to turn down, so I never went. I eventually got a Private Pilot license with a helicopter rating ( it cost me $12K and I never really got to make full use of it...). Having a knowledgeable recruiter is the most important thing you can do. Thanks for the video.
Its been 40 years...I recall a lot of pics of HSI’s and other flight instruments and the question would be “What’s the aircraft doing?” A lot of spatial orientation questions involving dots and lines. Weather questions as well. That’s about all I can remember.
Anybody watching this, I am currently an Army Recruiter. I am more than willing to work with you if you are wanting to participate in this program. I am currently in the process of putting my packet in as well. Just reply to this and let me know!! We always need pilots! You aren't just a number, your career path is vital. I wasn't told things by my recruiter and I'm trying to change that culture of recruiters being dishonest or lying to applicants. I'll post my number if people start to reply so you guys can ask questions!
@@CarlosAguilar-dj4ph No sir you do not need a bachelors degree. Your private license can definitely help, too! It's not a guarantee, but it definitely helps! One of the previous individuals that I've put in WOFT had his license (as well as other good things in his records)
Carlos Aguilar they check into your background as does any other position in the Army. However, they’re looking for obscene amounts of debt. They’re looking to see if someone would be able to exploit your debts to be able to take advantage of your position in the Army. Mainly they’re looking at credit card debt.
Glad the recruiter I found immediatly took action. He was glad that I knew what I wanted. All I said was 153M. Got to get a few more credits then I can take the testing. It's funny you mention the practice quiz. I scored high enough my recruiter siid I could do the ASVAB and SIFT in 5 days. Gladly the credits I need can be used for math. I told him I wanted to study and there's my time to do so. Cheers!
If you're in college or about to enter college, you can also check out the ROTC program. If there isn't one at your particular school, you can find one at another university and commute to the program. One reason why I recommend this is because ROTC is especially geared toward university students being groomed and trained to become commissioned officers. You'll get a look at leadership roles, team work and expectations. Some people enroll and then decide that military life isn't for them. There is no obligation until your senior year and you can apply for flight training at the end of your junior year. It's another avenue to explore.
100% FACT! Great video! Yeah, the recruiters are about checking boxes and getting their numbers. If the recruiter in your area is not helpful, go to another town. That is what I did. Had to drive two hours to find a good recruiter.
Be dope if you made a video about your life leading up to becoming a pilot and where you're at now. Great vid , I'll make it there someday but this information helps !
Went through WOFT back in 1989. The Army is certainly willing to take an inter-service transfer from another service then one of their own. Why? The Army isn’t losing a body, but gaining a body. However, if it’s your dream or drive to fly then go for it. So couple of years enlisted in another service then one year of flight school as a WOC and then it’s been a lifetime of excitement and memories. Thirty years ago today I was on “tree status” and only two weeks from pinning my bar and wings. Holy crap time flies. It is A LOT of work to apply and earn a selection in Army Flight School as a Warrant, but it is and was worth every minute of that work. An unknown path is the National Guard. That’s a great path as well and has benefits similar and yet different to being on active duty. Check out both.
Hey Micheal, I was doing some research and could find much on the national guards helicopter training.Would you mind giving me some information if you know any?
Awesome video, thanks. Former Air Force Officer and pilot that completed AF Initial Flight Training and had civilian hours before being told I would most likely end up in an RPA. Been out for a few years and looking to chat with someone about Army Flight School. Seems like Warrant is the way to go if I want to focus primarily on flying.
One thing to consider, most Army Aviators are type A personalities. As a Warrant Officer, you will be ordered to do very dangerous tasks and perform those tasks without hesitation. It takes a lot of courage and the ability to ignore fear while flying the aircraft, regardless of the treat. My flight class was 71-1. I have logged over 900 hours of combat in Vietnam. You will never be more alive than when you are in combat, often taking fire while flying, with your life and others' lives at stake. Very few of you will ever get the chance to become an Army Aviator. One other thing, you need an IQ of at least 140. Good luck and God bless.
@trublu97 The 110 referred to the minimum ASVAB score for acceptance, not IQ. An IQ of 110 is marginally above mean, or average IQ for a given population, or a little higher than your IQ, I would guess 80 or so. As for your ability to understand what you read, well, not so much.
@trublu97 I graduated, WAR-WAC Class 71-1. First combat tour, Chu Lai, 1st Aviation Brigade, 116th AHC, call sign Hornets. Our Gun Platoon call sign was Stingers. The AO stretched from LZ English in the South of I Corp, on the coast to the DMZ, Qua Viet River. Me moved to Marble Mountain (DA Nang) when the 23rd ID, Americal Divion, stood down in October 1971. I flew UH1-H models, for over 900 hours of combat time. When the 116th stood down, I was transferred to the 62nd AC, call sign Royal Coachmen for the remainder of my tour. When returning home, I then went into the Reserves, transitioned into the OH58 A model, the AH-1F, Modernized Cobra, and the CH-47C, and D models. I flew D models in Operation Desert Storm, out of King Khalide Air Base, in 1990-1991. I retired from the Colorado Army National Guard, Buckley Air Force Base, in 1994 as a Senior Aviator, W-3. Why would I lie?
TheBlackTribe - you probably need to check with your career counselor as the scores change from time to time. That would be my best advice to you since I retired in 1991.
Looking to join the army and become a WO by going through the Highschool to Flight school route. Enlisting at the end of this semester, my recruiters seem to have told me the truth through the entire time so far. I'm re taking the ASVAB to get my GT score to a 110 (Currently a 102)
It is Warrant Officer Flight Training, for fixed or rotary wing. Once you qualify, you can go for regular airplanes or helicopters. I got my ratings in fixed wing, right on up to multi-engine, commercial and instrument ratings. Too many moving parts on those choppers and too many things can go wrong. Just my thought
Some SIMPLE STUFF: (1) Some recruiters are total slackers. If you run into one of those types, RUN, DO NOT WALK away from him/her! When you find the right recruiter tell the him (or her) that you want ONLY flight school or you're out the door! (2) Pass all the tests with MAX or very close to MAX scores. (3) Pass the flight Physical. (4) Go to Flight School and graduate number one in your class while having a total ball! While you are at it, learn how to "play the game". That will be valuable to you for your entire Army career whether it be only your several year obligation or you stay till you can retire.. As you go through the years and the Army asks you to leave being a Warrant Officer and become a Commissioned Officer, DON'T DO IT! No fun at all--no respect, and you'll wind up mostly "flying a desk"! That all worked for me and became an IP of many kinds, flew many kinds of Helos and many kinds of airplanes and LOVED it! Instructing at Ft. Rucker was a total kick in the *ss and I REALLY like that! Only mistake I made was taking a commission.....hated flying a desk! Retired as soon as I could after I got my Master Wings----Otherwise if I had stayed a Warrant, I would have stayed until they threw me out!!
@Aaron Rubinstein Aaron---I don't know how current info I have about getting into flight school would be, as I went more than 40 years ago and I retired from the US Army almost 30 years ago and I'm sure things have changed a bunch but I'd be glad to chat with you if it might help. Email me at doninreno@gmail.com
Army is the ONLY branch that you can be a pilot straight out of high school lol. All the other branches make you go to college first and commission as an officer. Yet, the army STILL has commissioned pilots as well. I don't get it lol
Get drafted, do basic, AIT, NCOC and OJT. Go to Vietnam as E6. Do your year in combat and Army wants you to fly Hueys or go to OCS. Go home and become civil engineer with a bit of regret not learning to fly.
I'm a Navy crewman on the MH-60S. Always wanted to be a pilot but dropped out of college. Knew about this program before I enlisted but was told I'd never make it... should of given it a shot. Now the Navy has gotten me way to dumb to become a pilot haha. Maybe I'll still give it a shot once my contract is done. God knows there's no way I'd go back to college and become a pilot in the Navy. Crazy to see you go street to seat like that, especially right into the Apache. Good luck out there, keep the bad guys' heads down for us!
Prior Navy (enlisted) myself, and I’ve been through training here at Rucker with plenty of people of people who got picked up from all of the other branches while they were still Active duty enlisted.. Just put together a packet now! Also you don’t need a degree to get picked up so don’t let that scare you away.. Any credits towards a degree will look good though! If you don’t get picked up just drop a packet again when you get out. Just make sure you do really well on the SIFT first time up because you only get two opportunities to pass and the first time you pass that grade is locked in and you don’t get a second opportunity to score higher. With your Helicopter experience you should do pretty well, but the SIFT specific study guides really teach you how to take the TEST itself well. I skimmed through the guide one time right before I took the SIFT and it really helped out. Best of luck Shipmate! (P.S. the Army is so much more enjoyable than the Navy!!!)
This is the method to be an army aviator straight from high school with no college, which is actually quicker. I went to college and took army rotc. They ask 3 jobs you want upon completion, I put helicopter pilot all 3 times. Complete college and go in army flight school at Ft. Rucker
Basically, with in the program, for working on then , and hand on the aircraft, Jp -4 ,jp-6 j -5 and other fuel, to keep jet engine , going , old school, sbg
Thanks for the info. Have you seen prior service (Marines) being a benefit to getting into the program? I've been out for a bit but have wanted to get back for some time. Aviation has always been a large interest for me but I just recently learned about the WO option.
Man thank you so much for posting these videos, they are extremely helpful. I was wondering do you know what they look for when they are doing the background checks? Ive tried looking everywhere and cant seem to find any specifics on it. I had gotten in trouble about 4 years but got PBJ so this past year i was able to get it expunged off my record. I wanna make sure it won't be a problem down the road. because this is something i seriously want to do but like you said don't wanna get to far in the process and find out i can't do it. Thanks for your time!
I have an asthma since I was born. It makes me useless for the Army. I always wanted to be an uh60 pilot, but with my lungs I can only pilot Skoda Octavia... : (
Your actual ASVAB score has nothing to do with the "110" score. The 110 is based off your GT score which is a score based off certain subjects within the ASVAB, which is, word knowledge, paragraph comprehension and arithmetic reasoning.
Army aviation is mostly helicopters, they do have some fixed wing aircraft, however, they are intelligence/electronic warfare or executive transport planes (Beechcraft variants, Citation variants, Gulf Stream variants)
The GAANG used to fly Mohawks out of Dobbins and Winder back in the 80's. Most of their pilots were RA guys who separated and went into the NG (they mainly had 58's and Huey's back then) and request a Fixed Wing transition. But you don't "choose" to fly Fixed Winged....you have know someone, who knows someone, who knows someone that can get you a slot for the transition.
I was an Army Aviator for 10 years. I would have much rather been an Air Traffic Controller. Just try to get a flying job when you get out. Ain't happening. Air Traffic Controllers are high in demand and make over $120,000 on the outside.
Hey dude, would kill for an update video on how things are going, etc. Also, was hoping someone with experience could weigh in on what the benefits and pit falls are of going flight officer vs WOFT?
@@tayvonwolfe2499 the highest you can make on the asvab is a 99. It's the line scores that reach over 100. Those show how you did in the individual categories of the test. My lowest line score was 112. I pretty much qualify for like 99% of jobs the army offers (excluding the ones that require you to be able to speak another language or be like really really good with computers). I already talked with my recruiter about my test scores so that's how I know all of this.
Haha same, my HS hosted a schoolwide ASVAB testing and I went in not having any interest in enlisting at all, made a 92 so I was hella surprised, 6 montys later and im now a apache helicopter mechanic haha
Is there any conditions that apply or change for prior service guys? I have six months left on contract for the Marine Corps and this program has grabbed my attention more than any other out there.
Can I still become a pilot if I wear glasses? I’m must say this video has changed my whole perspective on choosing an MOS. THANK YOU very informative man.
If you wanna rack up hours....go civilian, lots of jobs out there now if you're willing to move and no one will shoot you down...unless you fly over Chicago or L.A. ;)
Great info, Roxy. Thanks for this vid! I just dropped from Navy OCS because flying off ships is not something I want anymore, what with me pushing early 30s. Still, I haven’t given up on the likelihood of flying military. So, it’s either this or Air Force Officer Training School now.
if you have a ringing in your ears, do not tell any medical personnel if you wish to fly. Army Doc told me that if I wanted to fly, I had to change my answer on my medical form at Rucker as a Penguin. Yes, lie if you want to fly. That was what I was told.
Good Afternoon Sir, So would you be willing to do a interview and if you like what you hear give a LOR? I have 4 from civi but I'm told unless I get a current serving LOR then they don't mean anything. i have asked several times for the recruiter to try arrange something but that seems to be a dead horse.
my son wants to join CWO flight training and he has no prior service. He will approach the military with a private helicopter pilots license hoping that will help. How can I help him approach the army?
Is asthma an automatic disqualifier or can you get a medical waiver? I can be pretty active and outdoors all day long without any symptoms. It's just being in an enclosed area around pets which affects me
Good video. I enjoyed your enthusiasm for it. I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind. How long have you been in? About how many flight hours are you getting per quarter? What do you fly? Where are you stationed? And finally, how often are you really... REALLY using an E6B once you've graduated WOFT? Thanks 😁
I just passed the enlistment pt test at MEPS, 15R here with 153A as a horizon. My question is, by the time I apply while still being enlisted, will they do the whole pinch your balls and look up your ass thing again? Or do they just check your vision, hearing and important stuff?
Can you make a video or provide input for air force nco's trying to go warrant? I am not having good luck finding valuable information. There's a decent amount of info about personnel already in the army wanting to transition, but almost no interservice information. Can you bridge this gap? You'd be helping two TSgt's with 12 years each attain the dream of going to flight school.
Hey do you mind if I drop a link to your channel on my channel. I’m attempting to put out videos while in flight school here at Rucker so I don’t always have the time (as you already know) to ensure I have great quality videos about becoming a army pilot. I started my channel way back bc when I was doing my packet there was literally no info out there on becoming an army pilot except maybe a documentary from 1967 lol. But your videos have great info and quality so if you don’t mind I’ll leave a link to your channel on my upcoming videos.
Greetings Gentleman, I love your videos. May I ask you some questions offline, I'm currently in the guard w/ a passing SIFT score and 2 weeks left in AIT. I have some questions.
Alex Fisher Yes, I was also scared to fail it, but you eventually just gotta do it. I studied for a few months and got a 49 SIFT. Take the SIFT one step at a time and execute, starting with the ASVAB. Hit me up after you passed the ASVAB.
Alex Fisher "We don't rise to our level of expectations, we fall to our level of training." So, you have one chance left my friend, take it again and put some honest dedication behind it!! How bad do you want it my friend??
How did it go? What did you struggle with? What was the reading comprehension portion like? How complicated is the math? Am I allowed to use a crap piece of paper?
Hey Brother, I been thinking about the Warrant OFFICer program... I have questions.. since you were "street to seat" you had to go to boot camp and then flight school right? Also do you get to pick where you can station or what you can fly? How long is the application process IF EVERYTHING goes smooth....
ag23100 It can all be accomplished with due diligence on your part and being proactive in about six month from the time you start talking to a recruiter until you ship to basic depending on how board dates line up etc. Yes you have to go to Basic training to become a Soldier first, then ship to Rucker for all the officer and Flight training before your first unit. You do have some control over which aircraft you get to fly, if you get top of your class on the order of merit list you should be able to pick any aircraft in the Army. If you had the lowest scores you get whatever is left after your classmates select. You will not be disappointed with your aircraft, all of them are awesome and have a unique mission set. You will learn to love it even if you hated it prior. I’ve seen several times that that was the case. You do get to do a dream sheet of where you want to get stationed however if there’s not a need for the Army where you want to go, you won’t get sent to your first pick. However you normally will get to go somewhere on your top 3 choices. If you really want to pick your Duty station and the aircraft your going to fly, go Army national guard in the State of your choice and get picked up that way😉. Retirement system is different than Active Duty and most of the slots are part time though.. However for some people that is perfect.👌
Do you really want to spend four years as a mechanic? Flight time will make you more competitive, but it's not cheap and to a certain degree unnecessary. Just blow the ASVAB and SIFT out of the water, get solid LORs, get in shape (look at the APFT score charts and aim for the top), and be confident in the way you conduct yourself in front of the board.
No, enlisting first will not necessarily help. In some cases, it might make it harder. Flight time can help, it shows your dedication and willingness, but it is not the determining factor. The most important thing is demonstrating leadership, volunteering in your community, etc. Officers are leaders and the selection board is really going to focus on your leadership experience, skills and abilities. If you want to fly, then apply for the program. Don't join and do something else with the HOPE that you'll eventually go to flight training. That may never happen. I'd really recommend checking-out ROTC at university if you are in college now or about to enter college. If your school doesn't have ROTC, find a school that does, they'll let you attend ROTC there while you attend your main college. ROTC also allows you to get a peak into military courtesies, leadership roles and responsibilities and see if you even like it.
no!!!!don't do that by any means!!! listen to that young man said and STUDY! make sure you have the correct materials and put the work in it! if you really want it that is the only way to get it. but YOU have to do the work!
I was a mechanic first, and it worked out fine. My knowledge of aircraft systems also made parts of flight school easier. The board looks at your packet for less than a minute. Write down everything about yourself that can be read in a minute. Read it. If you aren't impressed, they won't be either.
Thank you, sir! This was helpful. However I am currently a student soldier medic in ait in fort Sam Houston. My recruiter was one that didn’t want to do all that extra work for me and convinced me to go for combat medic (still a great mos) my question is what does the process look like for applying for WOFT as enlisted? I know I have to wait at least 2 years until I can reclass but do you suspect my chances are higher due to my being in the army already?
You've mentioned you're pursuing your fixed wing certification, are you not planning to do 20? If so, why? I was enlisted for 5 and am really hesitant to get back in but the itch to fly isn't going away and I'm nearing aging out, so I want to hear all the major cons to see if I can talk myself out of it or if I need to do it.
Would you be able to help me out with a connection to the base or help me with the letters of recommendations, and thank you for your video as well it was very informational.
Hey I got a DWi in 2014 after separating from the Air Force. Does that automatically disqualify me? Did you have anyone in you flight class with a dui?
chances of you getting in are slim, it was 6 years ago and that is the only thing going for you right now but I highly doubt you will be selected over someone that has a clean record and established credible military service. A lot of people are trying to re class as O9W
My granddaughter wants to go to warrant officer pilot training she has apex 2 years college and a private pilots lisence 200 hours some twin engine hours worked for a FBO for 3 years . She has done some wrenching on warbirds restoration . But she is 25 and had aDUI at age 19.Does she have much of a chance?
The Sift Study guide that you posted has no reviews. I know that some of them have issues with materials being incorrect. Did you feel this book adequately prepare you for the test (SIFT)??
Hey! Getting you to respond to this is probably a stretch, but I would like some guidance from you. My name is Kyle and I have wanted nothing more than to be a 60 pilot since I was little. I have been studying your video along with a few others religiously for the last few weeks and took the first step of going to a recruited this morning. I want to connect with an aviator that has gone through this exact same program that can help me with tips on how and what to study, and help me set some goals to maximize my chances of getting selected for a flight training slot. In your video you mentioned how you kept in contact with an aviator while you were going through the selection process and drove out to meet him and get a letter of recommendation. I would like nothing more than to have that same relationship with you sir. If this is something you could help me with, I would love to forward you my contact information. I look forward to hearing from you!
I attempted to attend WOFT back in 1985 under the High School to Flight School program. Passed the FAST test and Warrant Officer Board, only to be denied because of a vertical astigmatism that was "2 clicks" too far out of standard. Broken hearted, I decided to go Airborne Infantry Unassigned Ranger instead. Years later, as a Drill Sergeant, I found out during Summer Training for ROTC students, that if I had gone to OCS, I would have passed the standards for commissioned officer rotary wing pilot. Been retired now since 2002 and not sure what the standards are today, but keep this in mind if this is your dream and the same obstacle is put in front of you.
krome2ez hooah
I was class 86-41 (WOC IERW) in 2011 it was discovered I too had astigmatism but somehow passed back then and through the years. I retired in 2015 and miss the flying... not the Army BS, just the flying and the people
“I need time to study because I’m not a good mather”
Felt that
Study for what exactly?
@@jaluntaylor4596 ASVAB/SIFT
Literally me right now🤣
Pro tip: watch movies at Kaldrostream. I've been using it for watching lots of of movies during the lockdown.
@Major Jason Yea, I have been watching on Kaldrostream for since december myself :D
I always tell people even though I'm just in college right now that if you are going into the military you need to be ready to make the recruiter work for you. Don't let them shoehorn you in and wind up just being another notch in their quota belt.
I was a Naval Aviator in the Marine Corps. One thing people should be aware of is that there is
much more night flying today than there was for us in Viet Nam. NVGs were not in the inventory
then.
We got our night vision looking thru the bottom of a pop bottle.
So much more in the Navy. You had to be a college grad, right? Army warrant officers all you need is a high school diploma. Or that is what it used to be
Is women are eligible
What if you don’t have your license but have about 30 hours??
@@nivedhabk4444 Yes
I am sure it's changed since I was in 1969-1973, but they recruited me right out of my senior year of high school. I already had a helicopter license since I had been spraying crops for a while, but that's how I did it. No glamour, we knew right where we were headed. Vietnam.
Thank you for your service sir
Do army pilots need to do the SERE training?
@@stephen7125yes
@@stephen7125Yes
@@stephen7125yeah
Currently looking to switch career paths and follow my childhood dream. Thank you for this directional video! looking forward to the future.
same here. im a software dev.
I wish you were around in 2000 to tell me about WOFT. Great information! Well done and never forget "Above the Best". For those that don't know what that means we fly and fight above the skies to keep our ground heroes safe!
Best Regards,
CW4 Retired, Iraq, Afghanistan (Apache Pilot.)
Finding the right recruiter is probably the best advice in this video. Back in 1980 (the dark ages), I decided I would try for Army Aviation. The whole process was absolutely miserable. After I took the ASVAB, my recruiter called me and said "Well, you can have basically any job in the Army that you want that doesn't require a college degree (officer)." He already knew I wanted to go aviation so he set me up for the aviation aptitude test (what is now the SIFT). After I took the test, I waited, and waited, and waited. Finally he called and said "Bad news...you failed the test". Now, I had been an aviation buff for years...I knew a LOT about flying without having never actually flown. I knew the instruments, I knew the weather, etc. I told the recruiter "I have taken a LOT of test in my life...there is NO WAY I failed that test." He called me back a few days later and told me "I just found out that the scoring methods were changed....you passed the test". Next was the physical. I had some issues with vision, but the flight surgeon asked if was was planning on flying supersonic aircraft. I said no, so he signed off. I was scheduled for the Oral Review Board THE NEXT DAY....again, uninformed recruiters. After a 6 hour bus ride, I was told that my packet had not had time to reach the board and I would have to come back next month. A week later, I got a job offer that was too good to turn down, so I never went. I eventually got a Private Pilot license with a helicopter rating ( it cost me $12K and I never really got to make full use of it...). Having a knowledgeable recruiter is the most important thing you can do. Thanks for the video.
Its been 40 years...I recall a lot of pics of HSI’s and other flight instruments and the question would be “What’s the aircraft doing?” A lot of spatial orientation questions involving dots and lines. Weather questions as well. That’s about all I can remember.
Your background music is a bit too loud relative to your voice.
Anybody watching this,
I am currently an Army Recruiter. I am more than willing to work with you if you are wanting to participate in this program. I am currently in the process of putting my packet in as well. Just reply to this and let me know!!
We always need pilots! You aren't just a number, your career path is vital. I wasn't told things by my recruiter and I'm trying to change that culture of recruiters being dishonest or lying to applicants. I'll post my number if people start to reply so you guys can ask questions!
Thomas Werner do you need a bachelor degree for this program? Does my private pilot license help at all??
@@CarlosAguilar-dj4ph No sir you do not need a bachelors degree. Your private license can definitely help, too! It's not a guarantee, but it definitely helps! One of the previous individuals that I've put in WOFT had his license (as well as other good things in his records)
Thomas Werner well that’s good news!!
How about credit score and history??
Carlos Aguilar they check into your background as does any other position in the Army. However, they’re looking for obscene amounts of debt. They’re looking to see if someone would be able to exploit your debts to be able to take advantage of your position in the Army. Mainly they’re looking at credit card debt.
Glad the recruiter I found immediatly took action. He was glad that I knew what I wanted. All I said was 153M. Got to get a few more credits then I can take the testing.
It's funny you mention the practice quiz. I scored high enough my recruiter siid I could do the ASVAB and SIFT in 5 days. Gladly the credits I need can be used for math. I told him I wanted to study and there's my time to do so. Cheers!
Credits for math?? What do you mean by that?
Got selected a few weeks ago, thanks for the helpful videos.
What were your ASVAB and SIFT scores if you don't mind me asking?
Awesome intro, bro!
If you're in college or about to enter college, you can also check out the ROTC program. If there isn't one at your particular school, you can find one at another university and commute to the program. One reason why I recommend this is because ROTC is especially geared toward university students being groomed and trained to become commissioned officers. You'll get a look at leadership roles, team work and expectations. Some people enroll and then decide that military life isn't for them. There is no obligation until your senior year and you can apply for flight training at the end of your junior year. It's another avenue to explore.
Need more guys like you to help young guys navigate the world of getting the right MOS. Thank you,
Bad ass ink. Man I wish I could pass a 1 class med. this was my life’s dream. There are other things but damn.
100% FACT! Great video! Yeah, the recruiters are about checking boxes and getting their numbers. If the recruiter in your area is not helpful, go to another town. That is what I did. Had to drive two hours to find a good recruiter.
Which state?
@@mekaela.farris NC back in 1984.
Be dope if you made a video about your life leading up to becoming a pilot and where you're at now. Great vid , I'll make it there someday but this information helps !
My son really wants to be an Army Helo Pilot and nothing else. Your video deff helped out a lot.
You motivated me to become a pilot.. make more videos.
Went through WOFT back in 1989. The Army is certainly willing to take an inter-service transfer from another service then one of their own. Why? The Army isn’t losing a body, but gaining a body. However, if it’s your dream or drive to fly then go for it.
So couple of years enlisted in another service then one year of flight school as a WOC and then it’s been a lifetime of excitement and memories.
Thirty years ago today I was on “tree status” and only two weeks from pinning my bar and wings. Holy crap time flies.
It is A LOT of work to apply and earn a selection in Army Flight School as a Warrant, but it is and was worth every minute of that work.
An unknown path is the National Guard. That’s a great path as well and has benefits similar and yet different to being on active duty. Check out both.
Hey Micheal, I was doing some research and could find much on the national guards helicopter training.Would you mind giving me some information if you know any?
Awesome video, thanks. Former Air Force Officer and pilot that completed AF Initial Flight Training and had civilian hours before being told I would most likely end up in an RPA. Been out for a few years and looking to chat with someone about Army Flight School. Seems like Warrant is the way to go if I want to focus primarily on flying.
Danny Hurd Nailed it, you should have no problem getting picked up with your prior experience as long as your qualified.🙂👍
One thing to consider, most Army Aviators are type A personalities. As a Warrant Officer, you will be ordered to do very dangerous tasks and perform those tasks without hesitation. It takes a lot of courage and the ability to ignore fear while flying the aircraft, regardless of the treat. My flight class was 71-1. I have logged over 900 hours of combat in Vietnam. You will never be more alive than when you are in combat, often taking fire while flying, with your life and others' lives at stake. Very few of you will ever get the chance to become an Army Aviator. One other thing, you need an IQ of at least 140. Good luck and God bless.
@trublu97 The 110 referred to the minimum ASVAB score for acceptance, not IQ. An IQ of 110 is marginally above mean, or average IQ for a given population, or a little higher than your IQ, I would guess 80 or so. As for your ability to understand what you read, well, not so much.
@trublu97 I graduated, WAR-WAC Class 71-1. First combat tour, Chu Lai, 1st Aviation Brigade, 116th AHC, call sign Hornets. Our Gun Platoon call sign was Stingers. The AO stretched from LZ English in the South of I Corp, on the coast to the DMZ, Qua Viet River. Me moved to Marble Mountain (DA Nang) when the 23rd ID, Americal Divion, stood down in October 1971. I flew UH1-H models, for over 900 hours of combat time. When the 116th stood down, I was transferred to the 62nd AC, call sign Royal Coachmen for the remainder of my tour. When returning home, I then went into the Reserves, transitioned into the OH58 A model, the AH-1F, Modernized Cobra, and the CH-47C, and D models. I flew D models in Operation Desert Storm, out of King Khalide Air Base, in 1990-1991. I retired from the Colorado Army National Guard, Buckley Air Force Base, in 1994 as a Senior Aviator, W-3. Why would I lie?
Facts
My cousin already fly's for the Army as a CWO 4 on Blackhawks and loves it.
I had to take the OCT test, FAST test and have a GT score of 110 or higher.
59 asvab gt 110 my lowest line score was 100 rest are 104 and above would I qualify?
TheBlackTribe - you probably need to check with your career counselor as the scores change from time to time. That would be my best advice to you since I retired in 1991.
@@bladeflapUH60 I looked at my job list officer and warrant officer are my top 2 on the list so I qualified. Thanks!
Thank you for the good help great video, i am starting the process going from 11B to warrant officer.
Yo I was looking for this video for a while! Just in time!
did not know you made your own channel! watched your videos form 2017 just found this ill give you a subscribe
Looking to join the army and become a WO by going through the Highschool to Flight school route. Enlisting at the end of this semester, my recruiters seem to have told me the truth through the entire time so far. I'm re taking the ASVAB to get my GT score to a 110 (Currently a 102)
any updates?
So what happened?
just enlisted as 15T hoping to become a WOC and a Pilot in the future.
Wish I had this info in 2012. It would of stopped me from choosing 19k Tanker. No regrets though lol maybe a lil. Still had fun. Great video.
I am an army air traffic controller... passed most of the stuff haha still workin on the pilot thing
It is Warrant Officer Flight Training, for fixed or rotary wing. Once you qualify, you can go for regular airplanes or helicopters. I got my ratings in fixed wing, right on up to multi-engine, commercial and instrument ratings. Too many moving parts on those choppers and too many things can go wrong. Just my thought
Super helpful! Thank you for making this
Some SIMPLE STUFF: (1) Some recruiters are total slackers. If you run into one of those types, RUN, DO NOT WALK away from him/her! When you find the right recruiter tell the him (or her) that you want ONLY flight school or you're out the door! (2) Pass all the tests with MAX or very close to MAX scores. (3) Pass the flight Physical. (4) Go to Flight School and graduate number one in your class while having a total ball! While you are at it, learn how to "play the game". That will be valuable to you for your entire Army career whether it be only your several year obligation or you stay till you can retire.. As you go through the years and the Army asks you to leave being a Warrant Officer and become a Commissioned Officer, DON'T DO IT! No fun at all--no respect, and you'll wind up mostly "flying a desk"! That all worked for me and became an IP of many kinds, flew many kinds of Helos and many kinds of airplanes and LOVED it! Instructing at Ft. Rucker was a total kick in the *ss and I REALLY like that! Only mistake I made was taking a commission.....hated flying a desk! Retired as soon as I could after I got my Master Wings----Otherwise if I had stayed a Warrant, I would have stayed until they threw me out!!
@Aaron Rubinstein Aaron---I don't know how current info I have about getting into flight school would be, as I went more than 40 years ago and I retired from the US Army almost 30 years ago and I'm sure things have changed a bunch but I'd be glad to chat with you if it might help. Email me at doninreno@gmail.com
Army is the ONLY branch that you can be a pilot straight out of high school lol. All the other branches make you go to college first and commission as an officer. Yet, the army STILL has commissioned pilots as well. I don't get it lol
Thanks for this video man for real
Get drafted, do basic, AIT, NCOC and OJT. Go to Vietnam as E6. Do your year in combat and Army wants you to fly Hueys or go to OCS. Go home and become civil engineer with a bit of regret not learning to fly.
Good Stuff Roxberry! Great info and your Tatt’s are looking excellent too! Hope your new duty station is treating you well bro!! 😉👍
While tats are ok, they won't stop a bullet, but might attract the watchful eye of a sniper. So, get lots of them.
I'm a Navy crewman on the MH-60S. Always wanted to be a pilot but dropped out of college. Knew about this program before I enlisted but was told I'd never make it... should of given it a shot. Now the Navy has gotten me way to dumb to become a pilot haha. Maybe I'll still give it a shot once my contract is done. God knows there's no way I'd go back to college and become a pilot in the Navy.
Crazy to see you go street to seat like that, especially right into the Apache. Good luck out there, keep the bad guys' heads down for us!
I thought the Navy had a flight training option for enlisted folks now? Probably difficult to be selected, but you should check into it.
Nope, doesn't exist
Prior Navy (enlisted) myself, and I’ve been through training here at Rucker with plenty of people of people who got picked up from all of the other branches while they were still Active duty enlisted.. Just put together a packet now! Also you don’t need a degree to get picked up so don’t let that scare you away.. Any credits towards a degree will look good though! If you don’t get picked up just drop a packet again when you get out. Just make sure you do really well on the SIFT first time up because you only get two opportunities to pass and the first time you pass that grade is locked in and you don’t get a second opportunity to score higher. With your Helicopter experience you should do pretty well, but the SIFT specific study guides really teach you how to take the TEST itself well. I skimmed through the guide one time right before I took the SIFT and it really helped out. Best of luck Shipmate! (P.S. the Army is so much more enjoyable than the Navy!!!)
This is the method to be an army aviator straight from high school with no college, which is actually quicker. I went to college and took army rotc. They ask 3 jobs you want upon completion, I put helicopter pilot all 3 times. Complete college and go in army flight school at Ft. Rucker
Great information, I'm looking to do this.
Basically, with in the program, for working on then , and hand on the aircraft, Jp -4 ,jp-6 j -5 and other fuel, to keep jet engine , going , old school, sbg
This helps a lot, Im pretty smart but i just dont exactly have the information to become a helicopter pilot
You're not that smart if you think you're smart.
@@cwdadvan7875 lol nice logic
Thanks for the info. Have you seen prior service (Marines) being a benefit to getting into the program? I've been out for a bit but have wanted to get back for some time. Aviation has always been a large interest for me but I just recently learned about the WO option.
how did that go? any updates? I'm in the same situation
Man thank you so much for posting these videos, they are extremely helpful. I was wondering do you know what they look for when they are doing the background checks? Ive tried looking everywhere and cant seem to find any specifics on it. I had gotten in trouble about 4 years but got PBJ so this past year i was able to get it expunged off my record. I wanna make sure it won't be a problem down the road. because this is something i seriously want to do but like you said don't wanna get to far in the process and find out i can't do it. Thanks for your time!
I have an asthma since I was born. It makes me useless for the Army. I always wanted to be an uh60 pilot, but with my lungs I can only pilot Skoda Octavia... : (
Good stuff Rox.
Can i apply with hand tattoos? I cant find the policy atm. Im currently enlisted 18x and my finger tattoos were approved when i enlisted.
So I don’t get it, a maximum score on the Asvab is 99 but in order to be a pilot it’s 110 minimum. What?
Your actual ASVAB score has nothing to do with the "110" score. The 110 is based off your GT score which is a score based off certain subjects within the ASVAB, which is, word knowledge, paragraph comprehension and arithmetic reasoning.
how do i check my back ground to make sure i’m eligible before I put in my application.
ALSO, would you stay in in Army or consider other options when your contract is up? if do stay why? just curious.
what if you are already in the military???? could you get into the program????
ew a MAC
my flight board is next month and im stoked
Can u choose to fly fix wing?
Army aviation is mostly helicopters, they do have some fixed wing aircraft, however, they are intelligence/electronic warfare or executive transport planes (Beechcraft variants, Citation variants, Gulf Stream variants)
The GAANG used to fly Mohawks out of Dobbins and Winder back in the 80's. Most of their pilots were RA guys who separated and went into the NG (they mainly had 58's and Huey's back then) and request a Fixed Wing transition. But you don't "choose" to fly Fixed Winged....you have know someone, who knows someone, who knows someone that can get you a slot for the transition.
I was an Army Aviator for 10 years. I would have much rather been an Air Traffic Controller. Just try to get a flying job when you get out. Ain't happening. Air Traffic Controllers are high in demand and make over $120,000 on the outside.
Some people like myself have a preference for flying.
That book isn’t available on Amazon anymore do you know where I could get it?
Never wanted to fly but after watching this video...? I'm training my 4 years old girl to become an Army Aviator!
Hey dude, would kill for an update video on how things are going, etc. Also, was hoping someone with experience could weigh in on what the benefits and pit falls are of going flight officer vs WOFT?
Ran across this and thought it would be fun to say I got selected for WOFT Last month!
Can you do a video on SOAR?
Question: Did you take your flight physical at Fort Rucker after or before your board interview?
I’m coming in from the civilian side.
I got a 52. Not the best but not the worst.
I was told to study the asvab and didn't, I just went straight into meps and just kinda took it. I got an 83 so I guess I did well enough.
Jonah Barlow I’m pretty sure you need at least a score of 110 to become an army aviator
@@tayvonwolfe2499 the highest you can make on the asvab is a 99. It's the line scores that reach over 100. Those show how you did in the individual categories of the test. My lowest line score was 112. I pretty much qualify for like 99% of jobs the army offers (excluding the ones that require you to be able to speak another language or be like really really good with computers). I already talked with my recruiter about my test scores so that's how I know all of this.
Haha same, my HS hosted a schoolwide ASVAB testing and I went in not having any interest in enlisting at all, made a 92 so I was hella surprised, 6 montys later and im now a apache helicopter mechanic haha
Is there any conditions that apply or change for prior service guys? I have six months left on contract for the Marine Corps and this program has grabbed my attention more than any other out there.
Can I still become a pilot if I wear glasses? I’m must say this video has changed my whole perspective on choosing an MOS. THANK YOU very informative man.
If you wanna rack up hours....go civilian, lots of jobs out there now if you're willing to move and no one will shoot you down...unless you fly over Chicago or L.A. ;)
Great info, Roxy. Thanks for this vid!
I just dropped from Navy OCS because flying off ships is not something I want anymore, what with me pushing early 30s.
Still, I haven’t given up on the likelihood of flying military.
So, it’s either this or Air Force Officer Training School now.
Thanks, son working on it now !!
I’m already enlisted how do i go about doing this
Hey! Great video. I have a question.
What if I'm already an NCO?
I would apply for warrant officer status or limited duty officer. Then apply for helicopter school. I have several friends that took that route.
Super helpful. I am in Interested doing it in the cal guard. Any chance I could dm for more questions?
if you have a ringing in your ears, do not tell any medical personnel if you wish to fly. Army Doc told me that if I wanted to fly, I had to change my answer on my medical form at Rucker as a Penguin. Yes, lie if you want to fly. That was what I was told.
Good Afternoon Sir, So would you be willing to do a interview and if you like what you hear give a LOR? I have 4 from civi but I'm told unless I get a current serving LOR then they don't mean anything. i have asked several times for the recruiter to try arrange something but that seems to be a dead horse.
my son wants to join CWO flight training and he has no prior service. He will approach the military with a private helicopter pilots license hoping that will help. How can I help him approach the army?
Is asthma an automatic disqualifier or can you get a medical waiver? I can be pretty active and outdoors all day long without any symptoms. It's just being in an enclosed area around pets which affects me
Good video. I enjoyed your enthusiasm for it.
I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
How long have you been in?
About how many flight hours are you getting per quarter?
What do you fly?
Where are you stationed?
And finally, how often are you really... REALLY using an E6B once you've graduated WOFT?
Thanks 😁
What are the books that you studied to help you pass the test?
Do you have to sign your contract before knowing if you get into flight school? Basically do you sign first then wait to see if you got accepted?
I just passed the enlistment pt test at MEPS, 15R here with 153A as a horizon. My question is, by the time I apply while still being enlisted, will they do the whole pinch your balls and look up your ass thing again? Or do they just check your vision, hearing and important stuff?
Can you make a video or provide input for air force nco's trying to go warrant? I am not having good luck finding valuable information. There's a decent amount of info about personnel already in the army wanting to transition, but almost no interservice information. Can you bridge this gap? You'd be helping two TSgt's with 12 years each attain the dream of going to flight school.
I want to fly a lot I'm currently a uh60 repairer or will be idk I'm leaving this November for basic
Would a governor of a state be a good letter of recommendation or no?
Hey do you mind if I drop a link to your channel on my channel. I’m attempting to put out videos while in flight school here at Rucker so I don’t always have the time (as you already know) to ensure I have great quality videos about becoming a army pilot. I started my channel way back bc when I was doing my packet there was literally no info out there on becoming an army pilot except maybe a documentary from 1967 lol. But your videos have great info and quality so if you don’t mind I’ll leave a link to your channel on my upcoming videos.
What if you want to fly, but you are already enlisted?
Greetings Gentleman, I love your videos. May I ask you some questions offline, I'm currently in the guard w/ a passing SIFT score and 2 weeks left in AIT. I have some questions.
Alex Fisher depends on your aptitude. I had never taken geometry, so I had to teach myself. Put in the work!!!
Alex Fisher Yes, I was also scared to fail it, but you eventually just gotta do it. I studied for a few months and got a 49 SIFT. Take the SIFT one step at a time and execute, starting with the ASVAB. Hit me up after you passed the ASVAB.
Alex Fisher checking in to see how your studying is coming along
Alex Fisher "We don't rise to our level of expectations, we fall to our level of training." So, you have one chance left my friend, take it again and put some honest dedication behind it!! How bad do you want it my friend??
Alex Fisher you have to take the ASVAB again then. It's there bro, you gotta want it.
I’ll be taking the SIFT this Friday (Oct 11th). If y’all have any questions you’d like answered I’ll be happy to after this test.
How did it go? What did you struggle with? What was the reading comprehension portion like? How complicated is the math? Am I allowed to use a crap piece of paper?
How was it? Any recommendations?
must you have a pilots license or flight hours before you can qualify ?
Hey Brother, I been thinking about the Warrant OFFICer program... I have questions.. since you were "street to seat" you had to go to boot camp and then flight school right? Also do you get to pick where you can station or what you can fly? How long is the application process IF EVERYTHING goes smooth....
You'll go to basic, WOCS, and a few more schools before flight school that are required for pilots. Ask around! Hope this helps
ag23100 It can all be accomplished with due diligence on your part and being proactive in about six month from the time you start talking to a recruiter until you ship to basic depending on how board dates line up etc. Yes you have to go to Basic training to become a Soldier first, then ship to Rucker for all the officer and Flight training before your first unit. You do have some control over which aircraft you get to fly, if you get top of your class on the order of merit list you should be able to pick any aircraft in the Army. If you had the lowest scores you get whatever is left after your classmates select. You will not be disappointed with your aircraft, all of them are awesome and have a unique mission set. You will learn to love it even if you hated it prior. I’ve seen several times that that was the case. You do get to do a dream sheet of where you want to get stationed however if there’s not a need for the Army where you want to go, you won’t get sent to your first pick. However you normally will get to go somewhere on your top 3 choices. If you really want to pick your Duty station and the aircraft your going to fly, go Army national guard in the State of your choice and get picked up that way😉. Retirement system is different than Active Duty and most of the slots are part time though.. However for some people that is perfect.👌
can i do flight training and then go sf as a beret or ranger after. maybe do national guard after 5-6 years of sf, for flying
What could make me competitive would enlisting first to helicopter mechanic make me more competitive or some flight time?
Do you really want to spend four years as a mechanic? Flight time will make you more competitive, but it's not cheap and to a certain degree unnecessary. Just blow the ASVAB and SIFT out of the water, get solid LORs, get in shape (look at the APFT score charts and aim for the top), and be confident in the way you conduct yourself in front of the board.
No, enlisting first will not necessarily help. In some cases, it might make it harder. Flight time can help, it shows your dedication and willingness, but it is not the determining factor. The most important thing is demonstrating leadership, volunteering in your community, etc. Officers are leaders and the selection board is really going to focus on your leadership experience, skills and abilities.
If you want to fly, then apply for the program. Don't join and do something else with the HOPE that you'll eventually go to flight training. That may never happen. I'd really recommend checking-out ROTC at university if you are in college now or about to enter college. If your school doesn't have ROTC, find a school that does, they'll let you attend ROTC there while you attend your main college. ROTC also allows you to get a peak into military courtesies, leadership roles and responsibilities and see if you even like it.
no!!!!don't do that by any means!!! listen to that young man said and STUDY! make sure you have the correct materials and put the work in it! if you really want it that is the only way to get it. but YOU have to do the work!
I was a mechanic first, and it worked out fine. My knowledge of aircraft systems also made parts of flight school easier. The board looks at your packet for less than a minute. Write down everything about yourself that can be read in a minute. Read it. If you aren't impressed, they won't be either.
Thank you, sir! This was helpful. However I am currently a student soldier medic in ait in fort Sam Houston. My recruiter was one that didn’t want to do all that extra work for me and convinced me to go for combat medic (still a great mos) my question is what does the process look like for applying for WOFT as enlisted? I know I have to wait at least 2 years until I can reclass but do you suspect my chances are higher due to my being in the army already?
You've mentioned you're pursuing your fixed wing certification, are you not planning to do 20? If so, why? I was enlisted for 5 and am really hesitant to get back in but the itch to fly isn't going away and I'm nearing aging out, so I want to hear all the major cons to see if I can talk myself out of it or if I need to do it.
Tom MacDonald I went back in after six years. I couldn't shake that itch.
Would you be able to help me out with a connection to the base or help me with the letters of recommendations, and thank you for your video as well it was very informational.
What are the names of the sift book/ study guides I should buy
Hey I got a DWi in 2014 after separating from the Air Force. Does that automatically disqualify me? Did you have anyone in you flight class with a dui?
chances of you getting in are slim, it was 6 years ago and that is the only thing going for you right now but I highly doubt you will be selected over someone that has a clean record and established credible military service. A lot of people are trying to re class as O9W
My granddaughter wants to go to warrant officer pilot training she has apex 2 years college and a private pilots lisence 200 hours some twin engine hours worked for a FBO for 3 years . She has done some wrenching on warbirds restoration . But she is 25 and had aDUI at age 19.Does she have much of a chance?
They are not looking for drunkards!
The Sift Study guide that you posted has no reviews. I know that some of them have issues with materials being incorrect. Did you feel this book adequately prepare you for the test (SIFT)??
Hey! Getting you to respond to this is probably a stretch, but I would like some guidance from you. My name is Kyle and I have wanted nothing more than to be a 60 pilot since I was little. I have been studying your video along with a few others religiously for the last few weeks and took the first step of going to a recruited this morning. I want to connect with an aviator that has gone through this exact same program that can help me with tips on how and what to study, and help me set some goals to maximize my chances of getting selected for a flight training slot. In your video you mentioned how you kept in contact with an aviator while you were going through the selection process and drove out to meet him and get a letter of recommendation. I would like nothing more than to have that same relationship with you sir. If this is something you could help me with, I would love to forward you my contact information. I look forward to hearing from you!
Would it be bad if all 3-6 letters of rec were all military? Would it matter if they were all from one branch?
Thanks bro very helpful