Keystone 3 Pro - Air Gapped Defi Crypto Hardware Wallet (Cold Wallet) (Bitcoin, Ethereum)
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- An unboxing, setup and review of the Keystone 3 Pro, air-gapped cryptocurrency hardware wallet. This is the successor to the Keystone and supports things like Defi transaction verification, multiple seeds, fingerprint unlock and more.
Buy a Keystone 3 Pro: bit.ly/3RMbNnh
00:00 - Introduction
00:30 - Unboxing
01:51 - Device Verification
02:57 - Firmware Update
03:51 - Wallet Creation
05:04 - Overview of supported wallet software
05:41 - Using the Keystone with Blue Wallet
06:17 - Recieving Bitcoin with Keystone and Blue Wallet
06:39 - Sending Bitcoin from the Keystone with Blue Wallet
07:41 - Checking whether Keystone 3 works with Sparrow
08:22 - Using Keystone 3 with Metamask (Mobile)
08:59 - Sending Ethereum to the Keystone 3
09:20 - Sending Ethereum from Keystone 3 via Metamask Mobile
10:25 - Overview of supported chains/coins
10:46 - Wallet Settings & Features
11:11 - Adding and using Fingerprints
11:50 - Using Multiple Recovery Seeds on the Keystone 3
13:23 - General Device Settings
14:02 - Smart Contract Verification (Transaction Decoding)
17:49 - Note on Open Source Status...
18:01 - Summary and Conclusion - Наука та технологія
This is great, thanks! Also your hardware wallet comparison on your website is 🤯 Brilliant! 😁
Thanks, glad it helped :)
Amazing review. Thx for your work
Glad it helped
I really appreciate your in depth review. You’re the only reviewer I’ve come across that tested the smart contract feature.
Question: did it only work for you using the desktop version of the defi wallet? Or did it work using the mobile version as well?
Thanks. Basically the smart contract feature is totally independent of the software you are using, so will work the same on desktop and mobile.
Good content mate thanks. Just wondering can this model keystone be updated with usb on the mobile phone or is the desktop/micri usb still required? Cheers
You can just a mobile phone and MicroSD. The usb functionality should work with Android (but isn't fully launched yet)
Just out of curiosity, why is some of the text so dark? 12:05, under "Notice." Is it a color that isn't getting picked up on camera, or is it that hard to read on the actual device? Other than that question... I really like what Keystone is doing. Among mainstream wallets (in other words, excluding DIY stuff like SeedSigner and Krux, which is my favorite), Keystone is the one that I'm most impressed by.
P.S. Awesome content, as always!
The text is quite dark, but certainly readable in real life. (I boosted the brightness in a couple of shots where I wanted to highlight the dark text)
I agree that I think their approach is very good in that they are offering something unique in both the Bitcoin-Only and Multicoin Firmware. It's great that they have also pushed the price down with this hardware refresh at a time when other vendors continue to push the piece up.
Thanks for the encouragement :)
@@CryptoGuide Just got keystone 3 pro but nothing is working for me. Do I need sd card ? Because when I try to update via cable or bar code nothing is working. My desktop camera can't even scan barcodes???
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Good complete review. Passphrase not supported?
Yes it is, it's in the wallet menu :)
In video 10:47 you demonstrated that you can add a wallet. Does that mean that a person cannot only have a MetaMask mobile wallet, but also a BlueWallet and Rabby Wallet using only One Keystone 3 Pro device? Or are three Keystone 3 Pro devices needed?
I don't quite understand the question. You can use one hardware device with Rabby, Blue wallet and Metamask at the same time with accounts derived from the same seed.
How is the tamper resistance on this unit compared to the old keystone? I remember they had a premium version of the keystone which had an anti tamper feature where if you try to crack open the case it would brick or erase the device but the feature relied on an internal disposable battery that only lasted like 2 years so you’d have to keep replacing the device every 2 years it seemed like.
The tamper resistance is there, but the question of whether it relies on a batter will only be knowable once they release the full source which is apparently coming "soon"
Keystone added support for seed generation using dice roll in the latest update. Will you make a video for this?
I saw that, great that they are finally arriving at feature parity for the previous generation device.
That feature on it's own isn't really worth a video, but I will likely do one once the Bitcoin Only firmware arrives.
Hellos crypto guide what's your thoughts on the trezor safe 3 ? Will u be buying it and reviewing it in November
Yea I'll certainly pick one up. (But haven't got around to placing the order yet)
Generally it looks like a good improvement over the Trezor One and it's great to see that they are keeping the price point similar.
question. can i add 3 different wallet and i can attach as many as passphrases i want to each 1?
Yea basically it's three independent seeds and each of these could also have as many passphrases as you like.
Why you gave ellipal titan 2 a 37 score? I was thinking of buying it
Just click through to the detailed breakdown spreadsheet and you can see the features from which the scores are calculated.
Are you going to rank the Seedsigner among the other hardware wallets on your list?
Currently it is only retail options and doesn't include anything DIY. I'm inclined to make an additional list for DIY, as things like the build complexity, physical security, etc, vary dramatically.
Hi, I'm in Australia and need to use CoinSpot as my exchange any idea how to bind it with Keystone 3 Pro? Would I be able to see transactions on Keystone 3 Pro? Or do I have to use one of the supported apps? I can't find any info on this anywhere...Thank you in advance.
You just use the Keystone 3 with a wallet app for the coin/chain that you want, then use the same receive workflow that I demonstrated in the video to generate an address that it send the funds to.
Question? This Ledger hack that was done through dapps, since Keystone 3 Pro is connected to METAMASK is this a risk to Keystone pro 3 also?
In general, many/most browser based wallets are susceptible to the same type of attack. That said, the attack was also only possible due to blind signing, which is normal on Ledger and hard to avoid, but can be avoided on Keystone :)
When update firmware with Pro 3, are there any issues if i update without card reader?
Upgrading over USB is fine :)
What is the safest way to handle a big crypto wallet? Do you like having crypto in 2 or more wallets? Do you have. a 'cold' wallet which you never connect to uniswap/1inch etc? Or you have no problem to keep your crypto in 1 wallet?
Define big?
If you are doing Defi stuff then you probably want to have one account that is dedicated to HODL and another for transactions and stuff. (This can happen on a single device)
The main risk with splitting stuff up across multiple devices is that you then need to manage multiple backups... (Which makes it easier to mix things up)
@@CryptoGuide5 or 6 figures portfolio. Can I use the same seedphrase on a keystone 3 pro but with different passphrase? 2 wallets but same seedphrase separated by different pin
Passphrases aren't retained with Keystone, so you enter them each time you want to use it. (And can have an unlimited number of passphrases associated with a given seed)
would you recommend using the keystone 3 pro in conjunction with ian colemans tool to get dice rolls and all the goodies? Or could this cause issues down the road?
The keystone 3 supports dice in the more recent firmware releases, so just use that. I would generally advice against using it with tools like Ian Coleman's tool, as it just creates more ways to accidentally compromise the security of your setup. (Compared to just doing it all on the hardware device)
Would you still advise against using Ian’s tool in a live usb Linux environment offline?
That is the only place you should use it, though if your hardware device does what you want, you should just use that :)@@jameskent4902
Can you make a video explaining how hardened addresses work? Like those that are seen in Ian Coleman’s tool.
Do you mean hardened derivation? Basically this just means that the addresses aren't just derived from an extended public key, but require access to the private key. This could be useful in some more obscure configurations where you may need to share individual private keys from within an account in a secure way. (As with a normal wallet, if someone has the extended public key and a single private key, they can calculate all of the private keys for that account)
I noticed it does not support X M R. however there is also a form to submit a request to support a new coin.
Do you think they would actually add it based on companies history?
Also, do you think this is more Noob friendly than the Trezor model T?
Thanks for the review!
I’m looking for the absolute easiest to use device.
I would think that Trezor is actually more noob friendly as Trezor suite will guide you through most basic usage... Just be sure that if you use a passphrase with Trezor,that you back that up somewhere too
@@CryptoGuide thanks!
And the X MR?
No Montero at this time
Bit confused on a couple of issues,
1. I thought that since it uses third party apps that virtually any coin would be supported, is that correct. Just reading in comments that some coins are not.
Also, how can using third party apps be secure on an airgapped device?, isnt that connecting to the internet in a way? Is that really trustworthy?
Third party apps only make use of functionality that already exists within the hardware device itself. (Some coins/chains work the same under the hood in terms of addresses, transaction signing, etc)
Third party apps are the same from a security perspective as those provided by a vendor. (And this has nothing to do with being air gapped) Private keys, seed phrases, etc, remain on the hardware device and are not shared with the applications that are running on the internet connected PC/Phone.
is it safe to import a seed phrase generated from keystone 2 pro to keystone 3 pro? or generate a new seed phrase on keystone 3 pro and withdraw to that?
You can just use your existing seed
Any chance you could do a video on burner wallets.
So what do you mean by that?
Great video mate, thanks. I think they open sourced there both software and hardware & they said they will make the audit report public very soon. Do you have any updates regarding this matter?
I just checked their GitHub and they now have all the source available for both hardware and software :)
@@CryptoGuide Great! Happy new year bro ☕
Happy new year
@@CryptoGuide The checksum displayed on my device and the checksum provided on the website is not matching (1.2.8) please help me i need your assistance.
Missed this one earlier, did you end up sorting this out?
Why didn't you update via usb plug? Seems easier but is it less secure?
The video was made a few weeks before the official release, so the USB update functionality wasn't working yet :)
What I still don't understand is how you add new coins who just came out recently?
You would need to update the firmware to the latest release, then newly supported stuff will be there.
Does it do Bitcoin Taproot? (Ordinals)
The latest firmware does support taproot addresses. (Though how well this would work with ordinals stuff would depend on the wallet software you are using)
One key touch vs keystone 3 pro. Which one u prefer? For holding alts and swapping on defi
The main question is do both support the alts that you want?
If so, the Keystone 3 is certainly better, especially for Defi, if you want to put in the extra work to enable smart contract verification. (It also supports things like SLIP39, which the Onekey doesn't)
@CryptoGuide the tutorial section in keystone website is saying coming soon for smart contract decoding. Is it the same with keystone 2 pro?
Smart contract decoding works already with the Keystone 3, I demo it in the video
@@CryptoGuide which file is the right one for the smart contracts on github? the one with 3 in the name?
@@CryptoGuidethey have released a second file with a 3 into the link.
Not a fan of the lack of removalable battery. It’s probably a lithium battery so what if it catches fire? There goes all your other important documents and seeds that you might keep with the device.
You shouldn't be storing either important documents or seeds with the device
@@CryptoGuide Yeah I know but some people will like in a safe deposit box
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I don’t have Bitcoin on any of the supported online wallets. I have it on Coinbase. Can I transfer it directly from Coinbase to the Keystone 3 Pro?
Yes
I did a test run where I transferred a small amount of Etherium from Coinbase Wallet to the device. Success. But I can’t transfer it back to Coinbase Wallet. The device says “Invalid QR Code.” @@CryptoGuide
So what are you trying to scan that gives you that message?
Keystone has now released the btc only firmware.
Yea I saw that, will have a look at it in the next few weeks :)
Coldcard mk4 and keystone pro i am confused please help me
I want secure wallet
Are you asking for a recommendation?
If so, will you be using it with a PC or mobile? Are you only storing Bitcoin or also other stuff?
@@CryptoGuide i am just store my btc
And I have pc and mobile
Basically the Keystone is a simpler interface and let's you operate via QR which can be much less fiddly when compared to operating via MicroSD. (Depending on your phone, the Cold card may work via NFC too)
my keystone 3 pro is not working and can't go into the wallet what could it be
So what does this mean? Did you forget the PIN or something?
@@CryptoGuide no i haven't forgotten my password, when i try to start keystone 3 pro it shows up on the screen 3 options to choose from 1. Restart, 2. Shut down and 3 Wipe the device
So did it previously work or is this a new device?
Did you try to what happens if a thief gets your keystone in his hands? What happens if he tries to break in? Did u test it? Does it wipe out?
Unless it's someone from the NSA, they would need the PIN to be able to do anything with it.
NSA hahaha good one. Fantastic thanks@@CryptoGuide
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Scrolling looks extremely laggy, is it like that in real life?
Yep, it's certainly not currently as smooth as the normal UI that you would see in a phone, but I find it to be just fine for other UI interactions.
Doesn't support Cardano?
Doesn't look like it
No longer support aaa 🔋?
Yea they went with in-built battery only. (No removable battery at all)
@@CryptoGuide besides the new coldcard q, is there any other wallet that support aaa 🔋?
Not that I'm aware of.
@@CryptoGuide i guess aaa is better & cheaper than li ion.
We can get it anywhere, and safer to use (remove after use).
Do you think so too ? Wonder why very few hardware wallets have this feature
I think it's a few reasons. Firstly, I think it's just cheaper to have a lithium battery built it. Secondly it would be a better user experience overall, as using low quality AAA batteries can cause weird bugs on the device. Finally (and cynically) having a battery built in puts a fixed lifetime on the device...
Cant keystone 3 pro bind keystone app?
They don't seem to pushing their own app anymore, but rather supporting 3rd party ones.
@@CryptoGuide sad hear that i make question to cs keystone n he said nothing plan to connect again keystone app
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Yea they are certainly a bit all over the place in terms of changing the hardware/software stack.
In fairness their app is why I don’t use my existing Keystone at all. The weird “stick with our app, or only have BTC forever” is a weird dealbreaker.
I’ve got two, I’ll move away from their app and go to BTC-only eventually.
Yea I avoid their vendor supplied software entirely, even with the older Keystone devices.
Mine only charges to 92%. Does anyone else have this problem?
How does the battery life go? (Despite it topping out at 92%)
Mine seemed to charge fine but I'll charge and discharge it a few times and see how it goes.
Mine goes to 89. Keystone 3 pro is cheaply made in China. I knew I should went with trezor
They are fundamentally different offerings, but Trezor is a great option too.
@@DFP5 @CryptoGuide They changed the charging curve in one of the firmware updates which fixed the charging problem.
Battery life isn't great but it isn't terrible either. Never tested it, but I feel like I could get 6-8 hours of transacting out of it.
I still cannot switch to it as my main wallet because it still does not support signing BTC transactions over USB (while it supports signing EVM with Rabby Wallet over USB).
Nice, thanks for the update
1:14 no french?😢 (should be in top 6...)
Nope, not in the cards. The firmware also currently only supports English, but that will likely expand over the coming months.
When purchasing, I did not check whether Keystone supports basic currencies such as XLM or XRP. It turned out that in addition to not supporting them, it also did not support the ones I was interested in, e.g. XDC and QNT. Be sure to check this before purchasing, as Keystone has a strict "no refund" policy. Very poor service and lack of support for important cryptocurrencies are very serious disadvantages. I warn against purchasing. I primarily use ISO20022 complient currencies such as XLM, XRP, QUANT, XDC, CSPR, IOTA and others. Most of them are not supported by this wallet. So for me Keystone Pro is more like "just a stone", a $100+ brick. I do not recommend.
Yea unfortunately checking coin support is required for every wallet
Does NOT support native XRP...useless...
Apparently not
Support is coming in November they need to implement every coin again because of the new os system they build
This isn't surprising as XRP is a very simple Bitcoin clone under the hood, so won't be difficult to add.
That’s because XRP is also useless
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Every new keystone hardware wallet firmware update only last 4 years or less. Is not worth buy keystone 3 pro.
Yea the whole Cobo Vault -> Keystone -> Keystone thing is certainly pretty lame as far as longevity goes :/
@@CryptoGuide I have my ledger nano s over 8 years still have new firmware release every 5 months.
I agree but it's worth noting that Trezor and Ledger and exceptions to the norm here and that almost no-one has supported hardware as long as they have. (Which is commendable for them)
No Bitcoin only firmware is a BIG red flag
It's really too soon to say, as they will simply be going to market with what can sell the most units to the largest audience from day one. Will need to keep an eye on it over the next few months. (Particularly once they open source everything)
@@CryptoGuidethey will launch a BITCOIN ONLY DEVICE in 2024, upcoming the Halving. Unfortunately, I cant wait .
Yea unfortunately if you need the Bitcoin only features like Multisig today, Keystone don't have a good option. (Unless you are happy to track down a Keystone 1)
They have a Bitcoin only firmware for the KS 2 Pro as well. Who says they will not create one for the KS 3 Pro too?
I am more concerned about the USB and Bluetooth connection on an airgapped device.
@@DanielNeubauer they said that to me: "we will lauch a bitcoin-only device in 2024". That is the reason!
What's up with Keystone? They will ship it to Afghanistan, Mongolia or even Hamas's headquarters in Gaza, but not to New Zealand! Crazy!
Best bet is to just email them, might be an oversight. ;)
They are not even delivering in my country India 😂
Best bet is to just email them ;)
Does it support trc 20?
Looks like it works with XRP toolkit