The Industrial Age in the mid-19th century also created an immense amount of misery. As they say, "desperate people do desperate things" Poverty literally piled up in London in the Victorian age, right along side of the growing elite Bourgeoisie
This channel is probably the best as far as long (approx. 1hour or so) - historical documentaries go. Beautifully done - PLUS - there is not one that got me bored. Very well done all of them.
Bless Johnny Vegas, he's such a sweet heart... Mariella Frostrup on the other hand, is completely unwilling to accept her relative was nothing but a thief, fraudster and conman. Strange how his "paralysis" soon cured itself ! - She's such a snob, she needs to get over herself.
What kills me the most about this is that the Victorians never asked WHY. Ann Haines the drunkard, was certainly an alcoholic. God knows what ever happened to her to make her the way she was. Henry, who attacked his father- most people don't simply strangle their parents out of nowhere. What did he do to him? It bothers me.
Even today, American and UK courts don't ask why. They still don't have to prove motive. The courts are there to judge if the crime was committed. If you can give the jury a motive, it absolutely helps, but it's not necessary. The courts are a cold, logical and ancient institutions. However, motive and situational influences are taken into consideration of the possibility of reform. That is directly related to the sentence and possibility of reoffending. When you criminalize poverty, there should be a solution to reform the person in my opinion. They now offer classes for GED and trades in prisons to those inmates that seem like better candidates for reform.
Timeline is my go to at bedtime. As a yank we didn't get the luxury of the older timeline series ... Wonderful show... (No ....you don't put me to sleep... You just make me drowsy thinking.)
"The law arrests the man or woman, who steals the goose from off the common, but leaves the greater rascal loose, who steals the common from the goose". Poem of the day when landowners were "stealing" common land during Victoria`s reign !
My great grandfather was born in prison, and most of my 19th century ancestors spent time in prison. Their crime was poverty and trying to survive. In the 18th century, they were quite rich, and then one generation became orphans, and after the orphan house, poverty stricken. I moved abroad to escape this vile UK obsession that the poor must be kept down, and poor forever. I did well abroad, where my accent didn't matter. Attitudes in the UK to the poor are still very obnoxious. I still read in the tory servile newspapers they are all scroungers.
O trust me americka is EXACTLY the same way. Christ do they detest the poor here….mainly of course it’s the rethuglicans otherwise known as Maggats or trumpy worshippers 🙄😂🤮 Sickening.
@@DH007-w2d I was gonna mention that. I don’t get why he thinks that somehow England is the ONLY country that hates the poor?! Not even close!!! Damb at least they have social programs there and HEALTH COVERAGE!!! Try America where we only got crappy insurance (Obamacare) in 2012! AND you can’t make more than $1,110 a MONTH or you’re cut off and no more insurance! Sooooo. Yea least you don’t have to lose all your teeth and have NO healthcare. 🤷🏼♀️ Guess he hasn’t been to India where poor have ZERO help and are shunned. So no it’s not only England and certainly not the worst AT ALL.
@@darylhoskins5696 EXACTLY, did the victims of the murder had a choice to be killed? That’s why I liked things in the olden times: you killed someone, you got hanged IMMEDIATELY. Sure a lot of innocent people were killed BUT…now a days convicted known killers are chilling in jail while their victims are 6ft under or never found/identified.
@@tamaramcrae4037 agree Tamara , and You know they closed all the Mental Institutions , so a lot of Mentally ILL on the Streets along with MILITARY vets with all kinds of Issue’s , God Bless YOU and Yours, stay safe!
I really enjoyed this, thanks Timeline. Imprisonment is such an interesting subject, particularly this Victorian model. I think it was handled really well. 🕊️
I dont know Vegas very well as Ive been living in canada for decades, but his story, was freaking so awesome, or rather his attitude was. I have some family history going back this far, and can completely relate to the horror s of victoiran mores. ugh
@@catman8670 i was born in one. Comunism collapsed when we discovered nationalism. Then we had five years of bloodbath. Tell me now,would you like to live in peace and prosperity under comunism,or die for "democracy"?
In some ways, they had it right. To the extreme for sure, locking up people who drink or steal a small amount perhaps to feed their families. But for hardened criminals the prisons and food at that time was fair. We spoil our prisoners today. They live better than some retired folks.
I see that the words prison and jail are used interchangeably in this presentation. Whilel most of the public does the same in US, legally there’s a big difference between prison and jail in the US and I’ve never met an inmate who didn’t know the difference in the US.
All they have to do is leave their comfortable countries and try to preach their righteous bulls**t. It would be funny to see how fast they realize how useless their ideology is
85,000 prisoners in Britain today. Wow. As an American, I have to wonder what lessons our justice system could/should learn from a country that can keep it’s prison population that low per capita.. (Low compared to the US anyway. )😕
are... are you.... are you an INSIGHTFUL... A....Aaa.... American?! You DO exist?! Oh my god!! I've gotta get proof of citizenship or something man! None of the other Canadians will EVER believe me!!
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface interestingly enough, I’m actually from the Canadian border area of northern Minnesota. Have lots of Canadian friends, so maybe their sensibilities rubbed off on me a bit 😁
@@Pretermit_Sound haha that's funny, I'm from Windsor ON. 5 min. across a river from downtown Detroit... so I'm not sure what that says about me? I was mostly kidding anyway, I'm the same, I have many friends from the states as well haha cheers brudda man
Prison didn't carry the stigma it does today. A person could actually get beyond their experience, and build a new life. Today, the stigma follows a person. New laws almost guarantee a person cannot escape their past.
To be fair you could also just become a new person far easier than today. Use a different name and move far enough away and you're pretty much good. That being said though you do make a good point!
I'm not saying whether I am for or against capital punishment, but the one thing I think the U.K. did right was, if you're going to sentence someone to death, well then do it. Either give them life in prison, or capital punishment. The business we have in the U.S., of sentencing people to capital punishment and then keeping people on death row for years and years is ridiculous. What's the point of it? It was interesting to find out why the called the guards "screws". I know they called them that in the movie Shawshank Redemption, and I always wondered about it.
So go over to PBS/BBC and watch those shows.. dont ruin our history docs with hours of mindless reality shows. It's great in moderation and it already exists.. so what are you missing?
No. There's already tons of digital information that is unrecoverable. People 1000 years from now will know more about the ancient Romans than about us.
WOW!!!! very interesting and usually history documents are so dry and boring but this kept me interested right until the end, hope there is a part 2, pity about that one lady Mariella (?) that just would not accept the fact and then the man called Johnny Vegas had a completely different attitude, would hate to have her in my corner when here is trouble
Now we have to spend millions upon millions on rehabilitation and where is the punishment? If there was more punishment there would be less repeat offending!
It doesnt work that way.U.S.A.has proved that..It is Rehabilition what Actually Works....We have discovered it in here(Finland and other Scandic Nations)We have 3500inmates.Thankyou
@@eunicestone838 no my friend. I’m referring to the Penitentiary in the heart of Philadelphia, Pa. Look it up, it’s really cool. Very old, castle-like structure with a rich history. The inmates there were subjected to solitary confinement most of the time. There was a code of silence, strictly enforced. I visited there when it was opened as a haunted prison attraction during Halloween season.
your minecraft picture tells me you have a vast pool ov experience to offer this profound and personal insight... pulled directly from news propaganda. have a great life!
Saudi Arabia still does all that, if that’s the kind of justice system you want. Just sayin’ 🤷♂️ violent crime has been steadily declining for many years in the developed world, but you wouldn’t think that listening to some people.
@@nunyanunya4147 Don't make snap judgements by a silly YT avatar. I'm 53, ex-Navy, was a trucker for 21 years, and now work in a factory. I've been broke and I've been homeless. I've never stolen a single thing and I've never been arrested. I've also never fallen into the trap of drugs or alcoholism. I was taught as a child that actions have consequences and that you're only rewarded if you earn it. My life isn't actually all that bad, all things considered. Thanks for the well-wishes, I hope you have a great life too!
It has been determined by the experts that the gloves, taking away a person's sense of feel, causes one to handle old documents a little more aggressively than is necessary, so they don't use them anymore. It seems they do mare harm than they prevent.
When she lost her husband she lost her income that was her problem not grief. I'm sure she grieved at the loss of her husband but the loss of that income would have been worse back then.
No time for grief when you struggle to survive. Grief supressed just to be able to funktion. Still a problem today if you have rent a apartement together and one of the cupple die - if you can't pay it allone - you goth envicted - - you can end up on the street that way.
Isn't it about aristocraty ? In French, we have that "avoir le sang bleu". It was because high standard women would never get sun tanned as only peasant would live outside. So the Marie-Antoinettes were looking so pale that you could see blueish veins...
I'm thinking about it as well. We have had History Vault since it launched and it's finally starting to be updated more often, but not enough to fill my desire for historical content.
The English Royals, Governmen and middle class where so uncaring especially to their own country men the workers . Victoria's reign was like this throughout the country. She had a face that would turn a funeral around on the street.
How can the poor be said to have been punished for actually being poor. If that had been the case, and as there were tens of thousands of poor people at the time, there would not have been enough prisons to accommodate all of them.
What they mean was when poor people were arrested, they were treated worse then say a tradesman or some middle class sort. You see it nowadays where some jurisdictions really go after the homeless for being nothing more than homeless.
Some people just don't want to work. Rather lie about all day drinking. People weren't stupid. They knew what some people were about, and weren't taken in so easily as now.
Sick world we live in from the people committing the crimes to the people laughing about the hangings. Cruelty is not good of any kind. It’s a crazy world judgment day will come goddess king.
i am what the British government would call a " success story " i was sentenced to 5 years in 88 & never been back since .. i learnt not to get caught again ...
OH AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT WIFE OR HUSBAND BASHERS STALKERS BUGERLERS AND SCAMMERS TRITCH TAX DODGERS AND OTHER SO-CALLED WHITE COLLOR CRIME FINES FOR PTTTY CRIME
A Catholic Father I know who before he was a Clargyman went to Australia. They asked him for his visa and he said I did not know that was still a requirement (insinuating the criminal visa transportation). The Australian border guard did not like his English sense of humour.
evil...pure evil, how the poor and desperate were treated...why did they not have the prisoners work on farms, growing food and caring for the animals that could be used to feed the prisoners and extra food grown/slaughtered could be sold? I mean, what psychopath came up with this waste of effort?
Awful, that people saw that, as entertainment! Even today, you hear people, crying out for justice, that they want execute the punishment or witness the punishment! Reality, Jesus would want us to pray for their souls, that they be healed of the darkness they finthemselves in. Takes you back to Rome and the Gladiators, when Christian’s were thrown to the mercy of lions. Spectator Sport! Horrid, how low people can go!!
In those times, public execution served two purposes. Morbid entertainment, and as a deterrent/example. Basically, "this is what will happen to you if you break the law, so you better behave".
Harsh punishment was what punishment shoul be.This""poor" man starting to cry.Really ? What would he feel if someone stole all his pennies.Would he still be so underastanding.He can be glad he's not living in Old Testament times!!!!!
reason being is,not all are cumbant,most are illliterate,and who has the time to querie every minute detail bout every person and able bodied persons'.most off the time they could all be headless chooks running around...hardly any difference sometimes!
prison these days is a wlak in the park,well...well deserved such the affiar being how far along ancient civilization one would be in time through ones idea of matters other than thy self!bye.good day sir!g'day,g'e,g'a'g'night!
Come on this isn't fair for all the victims now we have modern descendants trying to change the perception that their ancestors are innocent or what they did is justifiable. Not fair.
The fact they decided a comedian was a good idea for a documentary about capital punishment. What's next you guys gonna have adam sandler talk about war veterans getting ptsd
You can have sympathy for the criminals subjected to this barbaric and dehumanizing system and have sympathy victims of their crimes at the same time. It's about what punishment is proper and acceptable in a "civilized " society, not whether criminals should be punished or not. At least that's how I took it.
@@catherinewilson9894 I understand, however, when is enough enough? Second time? Third? What if the small thing taken was of utmost importance to the victim? A quart of milk from a child? An adult? What difference does it make?
Seems mind numbingly stupid that nobody had the notion to use the prisoners for state labor, rather than pointless energy consumption? There has to have been some legislative reason behind the prisoners not being used to produce some kind of actual commodities, right?
The Industrial Age in the mid-19th century also created an immense amount of misery. As they say, "desperate people do desperate things"
Poverty literally piled up in London in the Victorian age, right along side of the growing elite Bourgeoisie
This channel is probably the best as far as long (approx. 1hour or so) - historical documentaries go. Beautifully done - PLUS - there is not one that got me bored. Very well done all of them.
That's because they're all documentaries made by BBC. These aren't UA-cam originals 🤣
As someone from Thailand told me long ago, "Nothing is boring; it's the person themself!"
💯🎯
Bless Johnny Vegas, he's such a sweet heart...
Mariella Frostrup on the other hand, is completely unwilling to accept her relative was nothing but a thief, fraudster and conman. Strange how his "paralysis" soon cured itself ! - She's such a snob, she needs to get over herself.
They should've sent him to Australia!
I understood it to be his own personal property.
What kills me the most about this is that the Victorians never asked WHY. Ann Haines the drunkard, was certainly an alcoholic. God knows what ever happened to her to make her the way she was. Henry, who attacked his father- most people don't simply strangle their parents out of nowhere. What did he do to him? It bothers me.
Even today, American and UK courts don't ask why. They still don't have to prove motive. The courts are there to judge if the crime was committed. If you can give the jury a motive, it absolutely helps, but it's not necessary. The courts are a cold, logical and ancient institutions.
However, motive and situational influences are taken into consideration of the possibility of reform. That is directly related to the sentence and possibility of reoffending.
When you criminalize poverty, there should be a solution to reform the person in my opinion. They now offer classes for GED and trades in prisons to those inmates that seem like better candidates for reform.
Nowadays we ask "why" too often and pity criminalist, forgeting about the pain he/she inflicted in victims
@@angelface925 Burden of proof? In the United States, you most certainly have to prove motive. Whether the case is decided by judge alone or by jury.
Ooh, this will make a perfect before bed documentary tonight! Thanks Timeline!
Timeline is my go to at bedtime. As a yank we didn't get the luxury of the older timeline series ... Wonderful show... (No ....you don't put me to sleep... You just make me drowsy thinking.)
saaaame.
i’m literally in bed watching this
Yap
I always get the craziest dreams when i watch this before bedtime
I love the Victorian era, but there is also no greater example of hypocrisy and willful ignorance than those above the people on the bottom.
@Riseagainst Theleft the outcome of the colonialism of that exact era?
Why is it that 150 years later we still believe that punishment and abuse are in any way reformative?
I agree. People like you need to take them in and reform them.
So we should just let criminals run wild? I don’t care if they’re reformative. Most of the people in prison were never properly formed to begin with.
"The law arrests the man or woman,
who steals the goose from off the common,
but leaves the greater rascal loose,
who steals the common from the goose".
Poem of the day when landowners were "stealing" common land during Victoria`s reign !
The Goose and the Common
Authors unknown - a number of versions©1700s
The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
But leaves the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from off the goose
The law demands that we atone
When we take things we do not own
But leaves the lords and ladies fine
Who take things that are yours and mine
The poor and wretched don't escape
If they conspire the law to break
This must be so but they endure
Those who conspire to make the law
The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
And geese will still a common lack
Till they go and steal it back
[Seventeenth century protest against English enclosures]
And this still holds true
Not much different today
We have the same thing today they're called billionaires who don't pay taxes and government to steal the common people's money through taxes
My great grandfather was born in prison, and most of my 19th century ancestors spent time in prison. Their crime was poverty and trying to survive. In the 18th century, they were quite rich, and then one generation became orphans, and after the orphan house, poverty stricken.
I moved abroad to escape this vile UK obsession that the poor must be kept down, and poor forever. I did well abroad, where my accent didn't matter. Attitudes in the UK to the poor are still very obnoxious. I still read in the tory servile newspapers they are all scroungers.
Hilarious.
Thanks for the chuckles😁
Rule Britannia😎
It's a world wide problem. Heard recently something like people do envy the rich when they fear being poor...
O trust me americka is EXACTLY the same way. Christ do they detest the poor here….mainly of course it’s the rethuglicans otherwise known as Maggats or trumpy worshippers 🙄😂🤮
Sickening.
@@DH007-w2d I was gonna mention that. I don’t get why he thinks that somehow England is the ONLY country that hates the poor?!
Not even close!!!
Damb at least they have social programs there and HEALTH COVERAGE!!!
Try America where we only got crappy insurance (Obamacare) in 2012! AND you can’t make more than $1,110 a MONTH or you’re cut off and no more insurance!
Sooooo.
Yea least you don’t have to lose all your teeth and have NO healthcare. 🤷🏼♀️
Guess he hasn’t been to India where poor have ZERO help and are shunned.
So no it’s not only England and certainly not the worst AT ALL.
@@6Haunted-Days that is why I never, ever, complain about my life. I'm not rich but keep smiling as life don't last much...
It's funny most of us here in Australia have ancestors that were convicts in England, real characters that made this awesome Country what it is today!
cats don’t breed dogs
@@dandana4647 what's that supposed to mean?
Cats don't breed dogs.wtf?
@@mikehewitt2146 I know right! So confused.
It is a 'polite' way to say ' dont expect the acorn to fall far from the tree'-cowards punch,alcohol and drug dependancy,prostitution....
Seeing Johnny Vegas just made my day!! Thanks timeline!!
Really good. Very relatable. It's interesting of how things change but how also certain things stay the same.
I'm not a fan of capital punishment, but what I don't think 'works' is to confine a person to a small concrete box for years and years.
So what’s the Answer or option! Eye for an eye mate! Straight up!!
What do you want them in a luxury condo
@@darylhoskins5696 EXACTLY, did the victims of the murder had a choice to be killed? That’s why I liked things in the olden times: you killed someone, you got hanged IMMEDIATELY. Sure a lot of innocent people were killed BUT…now a days convicted known killers are chilling in jail while their victims are 6ft under or never found/identified.
@@tamaramcrae4037 agree Tamara , and You know they closed all the Mental Institutions , so a lot of Mentally ILL on the Streets along with MILITARY vets with all kinds of Issue’s , God Bless YOU and Yours, stay safe!
I really enjoyed this, thanks Timeline. Imprisonment is such an interesting subject, particularly this Victorian model. I think it was handled really well. 🕊️
No wonder the 20th century was even more brutal. With an environmental like this to live in, ww1 and two were only a matchstick away and it happened!
that's a pretty fair point man, good insight =)
Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future. -Oscar Wilde
@Mike will right on, the more people who hear it the better
Johnny vegas seemed to have good insight into his ancestor
I dont know Vegas very well as Ive been living in canada for decades, but his story, was freaking so awesome, or rather his attitude was. I have some family history going back this far, and can completely relate to the horror s of victoiran mores. ugh
Turning public hangings into a tourist attraction says a lot about people.
If the rich could still get away with this behaviour,they would.
Looks at American political class. Reports back nothing has changed.
Dude they get away with much worse now!
Not much has changed.. trust me.
Most Victorians were God fearing people. The shame of going to prison for most was enough to never ever go back.
I like all your documentaries, very academic, detailed and interesting, learnt a lot. I congratulate you in this venture.
The laws are today like then. The rich one haves a number of skilled attorneys and avoids prison. While the poor one serves both sentences
So move to some nice communists country 😎
@@catman8670 i was born in one. Comunism collapsed when we discovered nationalism. Then we had five years of bloodbath. Tell me now,would you like to live in peace and prosperity under comunism,or die for "democracy"?
In some ways, they had it right. To the extreme for sure, locking up people who drink or steal a small amount perhaps to feed their families. But for hardened criminals the prisons and food at that time was fair. We spoil our prisoners today. They live better than some retired folks.
We have gone to far the other way now. No wonder there is no respect for authority or each other anymore.
I love these documentaries. Real people. Real ancestors. Real stories.
Johnny Vegas is a bloody legend.
Politicians should serve jail time in those prisons, no mercy.
I see that the words prison and jail are used interchangeably in this presentation. Whilel most of the public does the same in US, legally there’s a big difference between prison and jail in the US and I’ve never met an inmate who didn’t know the difference in the US.
It's a UK thing, convicts also call prison "jail"
People who complain about being oppressed in 2021 should be sent back in time to live in those days.
Hear, hear...
All they have to do is leave their comfortable countries and try to preach their righteous bulls**t. It would be funny to see how fast they realize how useless their ideology is
"Dont do the crime, if ya cant do the time".
Beretta, 1975
And thats the name of that tune....
:D
Ole benny i wonder what his wife would think bout that 😜
X
"Forgive,and ye shall be forgiven."--Jesus,29 AD
@@bubbastill2040 We can certainly forgive people while they swing at the end of a rope.
The Old Bailey is something to behold!
85,000 prisoners in Britain today. Wow. As an American, I have to wonder what lessons our justice system could/should learn from a country that can keep it’s prison population that low per capita.. (Low compared to the US anyway. )😕
are... are you.... are you an INSIGHTFUL... A....Aaa.... American?!
You DO exist?!
Oh my god!! I've gotta get proof of citizenship or something man! None of the other Canadians will EVER believe me!!
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface interestingly enough, I’m actually from the Canadian border area of northern Minnesota. Have lots of Canadian friends, so maybe their sensibilities rubbed off on me a bit 😁
Comme disait Victor Hugo : "Ouvrir une école c'est fermer une prison"...
@@DH007-w2d bien dit =)
@@Pretermit_Sound haha that's funny, I'm from Windsor ON. 5 min. across a river from downtown Detroit... so I'm not sure what that says about me? I was mostly kidding anyway, I'm the same, I have many friends from the states as well haha cheers brudda man
Hello I'm Dan Snow....
Always the beginning of something great.
Prison didn't carry the stigma it does today. A person could actually get beyond their experience, and build a new life. Today, the stigma follows a person. New laws almost guarantee a person cannot escape their past.
To be fair you could also just become a new person far easier than today. Use a different name and move far enough away and you're pretty much good. That being said though you do make a good point!
Wow ... great documentary and very insightful... is there an epidode 2??
I'm not saying whether I am for or against capital punishment, but the one thing I think the U.K. did right was, if you're going to sentence someone to death, well then do it. Either give them life in prison, or capital punishment. The business we have in the U.S., of sentencing people to capital punishment and then keeping people on death row for years and years is ridiculous. What's the point of it?
It was interesting to find out why the called the guards "screws". I know they called them that in the movie Shawshank Redemption, and I always wondered about it.
What's pathetic & tragic is how much our corrections/criminal justice system is so much like this still. We arrest
I dont understand. Did crime change since then? Cant send some to a resort for murder now, can we?
Developmentally and otherwise
Fabulous. More shows mixing history & real peoples lives like WDYTYA are very welcome!
So go over to PBS/BBC and watch those shows.. dont ruin our history docs with hours of mindless reality shows. It's great in moderation and it already exists.. so what are you missing?
it was called "trying to survive"
Thank you.
It was called "You owe me something."
The poor are still actively punished!
Awosome bro thanks for brilliant information🥰🥰
AHHHHHHHHHH THE WONDERS OF THE ENGLISH CLASS SYSTEM...
When timeline posts a new doc I click like when I start and never disappointed afterwards 😂
You guys really think our electronic records will be so accurate and durable for 150 years?
Not at all
No. There's already tons of digital information that is unrecoverable. People 1000 years from now will know more about the ancient Romans than about us.
@@valentinius62 Exactly my thought.
WOW!!!! very interesting and usually history documents are so dry and boring but this kept me interested right until the end, hope there is a part 2, pity about that one lady Mariella (?) that just would not accept the fact and then the man called Johnny Vegas had a completely different attitude, would hate to have her in my corner when here is trouble
Now we have to spend millions upon millions on rehabilitation and where is the punishment? If there was more punishment there would be less repeat offending!
It doesnt work that way.U.S.A.has proved that..It is Rehabilition what Actually Works....We have discovered it in here(Finland and other Scandic Nations)We have 3500inmates.Thankyou
The prisoners get college degrees some become attorneys now
People in some roughtimes times still.get themselves locked up. My brother used to go in in Nov/Dec and comes out in Apr/May. Lol
19th century was brutal
naaah, we're just pathetic softies today, most of us.
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface
You mean you? Of course you are
@@TihetrisWeathersby ooooo, clever boy! I don't think anyone would have been able to think up that wallop!! =) haha
Comparing to today? Yes.
Compared to any other century before it? Not at all 😂
@@jahjahjah213 haha well said
This is exactly what Eastern State Penitentiary turned out to be like.
In the UK ?
In ky? Eastern state here was turned into a state mental hospital.
@@eunicestone838 no my friend. I’m referring to the Penitentiary in the heart of Philadelphia, Pa. Look it up, it’s really cool. Very old, castle-like structure with a rich history. The inmates there were subjected to solitary confinement most of the time. There was a code of silence, strictly enforced. I visited there when it was opened as a haunted prison attraction during Halloween season.
"Prison was brutal, and prisoners were executed publicly. "
"Violent crime was rare."
Huh, perhaps rewarding criminals is counterproductive?
your minecraft picture tells me you have a vast pool ov experience to offer this profound and personal insight... pulled directly from news propaganda. have a great life!
Saudi Arabia still does all that, if that’s the kind of justice system you want. Just sayin’ 🤷♂️ violent crime has been steadily declining for many years in the developed world, but you wouldn’t think that listening to some people.
There are some criminals that just can't be rehabbed. Sad but true. They deserve nothing.
@@nunyanunya4147 Don't make snap judgements by a silly YT avatar. I'm 53, ex-Navy, was a trucker for 21 years, and now work in a factory. I've been broke and I've been homeless. I've never stolen a single thing and I've never been arrested. I've also never fallen into the trap of drugs or alcoholism. I was taught as a child that actions have consequences and that you're only rewarded if you earn it.
My life isn't actually all that bad, all things considered. Thanks for the well-wishes, I hope you have a great life too!
@@realityquotient7699 *SMILES IN EQUAL PARTS PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE*
What is it with these ''historians''handling old ,delicate ''artifacts''without white cotton gloves!
It has been determined by the experts that the gloves, taking away a person's sense of feel, causes one to handle old documents a little more aggressively than is necessary, so they don't use them anymore. It seems they do mare harm than they prevent.
Also some of those papers that we see on screen are copies of the originals.
It’s nice to see Len on one of these documentaries!! I know him from Dancing With The Stars!!
Watch the old move starring Joan Collins called. "Turn the key softly"
When she lost her husband she lost her income that was her problem not grief. I'm sure she grieved at the loss of her husband but the loss of that income would have been worse back then.
No time for grief when you struggle to survive.
Grief supressed just to be able to funktion.
Still a problem today if you have rent a apartement together and one of the cupple die - if you can't pay it allone - you goth envicted -
- you can end up on the street that way.
What does "blue blood northern" mean? Thought blue blood meant old money which is usually a southern thing?
Isn't it about aristocraty ? In French, we have that "avoir le sang bleu". It was because high standard women would never get sun tanned as only peasant would live outside. So the Marie-Antoinettes were looking so pale that you could see blueish veins...
I think you're thinking about American terminologies. That's generally a term used in that manner, mostly in the States.
Seems Mariellas great-great grandfather may have had a convenient case of psychosomatic paralysis.
Well the news goons haven’t changed at all
Ironic, these modern celebrities and entertainers, are descended from common jail birds.
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The English Royals, Governmen and middle class where so uncaring especially to their own country men the workers . Victoria's reign was like this throughout the country. She had a face that would turn a funeral around on the street.
BRITISH ..... and you talk rubbish.
@@shellc6743 Fed rubbish by the Brits.
My dad used to say "they were so ugly....it would make a freight train take a dirt road"
How can the poor be said to have been punished for actually being poor. If that had been the case, and as there were tens of thousands of poor people at the time, there would not have been enough prisons to accommodate all of them.
What they mean was when poor people were arrested, they were treated worse then say a tradesman or some middle class sort. You see it nowadays where some jurisdictions really go after the homeless for being nothing more than homeless.
Try reading Les Miserable. Or at least see the movie
Some people just don't want to work. Rather lie about all day drinking. People weren't stupid. They knew what some people were about, and weren't taken in so easily as now.
Sick world we live in from the people committing the crimes to the people laughing about the hangings. Cruelty is not good of any kind. It’s a crazy world judgment day will come goddess king.
You commit crime you get punished and maybe you won't go back!
i am what the British government would call a " success story " i was sentenced to 5 years in 88 & never been back since .. i learnt not to get caught again ...
@@wayneandrews9298 you learned not to get caught again or you didn't do crime anymore?
good
The Warden was giving excuses for what they did, but they were just sadistic
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Is there the following episode/s?
I'm impressed that old guy can read that tiny script with no glasses😄
Fabulous love these stories at bedtime 😱
And what were the rates of recidivism?
Grinding poverty .... still there when the prisoner is released.
SOMETIMES I THINK JAILS SHOULD GO BACK TO VICTORIANS TIME
OH AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT WIFE OR HUSBAND BASHERS STALKERS BUGERLERS AND SCAMMERS TRITCH TAX DODGERS AND OTHER SO-CALLED WHITE COLLOR CRIME FINES FOR PTTTY CRIME
A Catholic Father I know who before he was a Clargyman went to Australia. They asked him for his visa and he said I did not know that was still a requirement (insinuating the criminal visa transportation). The Australian border guard did not like his English sense of humour.
Well now second degree murder is virtually legal in the UK with a small sentence, and life for 1st degree murder will be 15 or 20 years and parole.
Mariella is a bit of a drama queen, isn't she? She must get it naturally from her ancestor. 🙄
@JohnLaw JohnLaw Agree
You all must be desendents of the men who created such institutions. It's called empathy.
@JohnLaw JohnLaw keep punching the strawman Johnathan.
@@beigeturtleneck7511 something along the lines of "whoever named you must've been drunk the whole pregnancy" and that I was triggered lol
evil...pure evil, how the poor and desperate were treated...why did they not have the prisoners work on farms, growing food and caring for the animals that could be used to feed the prisoners and extra food grown/slaughtered could be sold? I mean, what psychopath came up with this waste of effort?
Awful, that people saw that, as entertainment! Even today, you hear people, crying out for justice, that they want execute the punishment or witness the punishment! Reality, Jesus would want us to pray for their souls, that they be healed of the darkness they finthemselves in. Takes you back to Rome and the Gladiators, when Christian’s were thrown to the mercy of lions. Spectator Sport! Horrid, how low people can go!!
In those times, public execution served two purposes. Morbid entertainment, and as a deterrent/example. Basically, "this is what will happen to you if you break the law, so you better behave".
Harsh punishment was what punishment shoul be.This""poor" man starting to cry.Really ? What would he feel if someone stole all his pennies.Would he still be so underastanding.He can
be glad he's not living in Old Testament times!!!!!
This system needa to be brought back and deportations to Africa, ASAP. RIP Len Goodman.
What kind of a very sick individual would have gotten entertainment from someone being put to death ?
The same ones who cheer for the Matador during the Bull Fights!
thankyou,i'm part of the aust audience of which may be some more c. m'c lachlan fans.offcourdse h'ramsy.thankyou too.
jolly good work there man!
now you show me yours,how else would i be able to know how i would know you as craig!
reason being is,not all are cumbant,most are illliterate,and who has the time to querie every minute detail bout every person and able bodied persons'.most off the time they could all be headless chooks running around...hardly any difference sometimes!
prison these days is a wlak in the park,well...well deserved such the affiar being how far along ancient civilization one would be in time through ones idea of matters other than thy self!bye.good day sir!g'day,g'e,g'a'g'night!
i'll stick around here,till master s'prescott sees' me off.that'll b' all and final for now dear lcy' belle.lucial ball.
eleventh.12th june tan suu, year od the ox 2021
Come on this isn't fair for all the victims now we have modern descendants trying to change the perception that their ancestors are innocent or what they did is justifiable. Not fair.
Good show good show
Psychopath nothing works on those types of crooks. Grinding men good? Grind them to madness
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The fact they decided a comedian was a good idea for a documentary about capital punishment. What's next you guys gonna have adam sandler talk about war veterans getting ptsd
It didn't say he had a stroke anywhere.
“Poor Man”? How about the folks he stole from? Typical of the acting profession.
You can have sympathy for the criminals subjected to this barbaric and dehumanizing system and have sympathy victims of their crimes at the same time. It's about what punishment is proper and acceptable in a "civilized " society, not whether criminals should be punished or not. At least that's how I took it.
@@catherinewilson9894 I understand, however, when is enough enough? Second time? Third? What if the small thing taken was of utmost importance to the victim? A quart of milk from a child? An adult? What difference does it make?
Seems mind numbingly stupid that nobody had the notion to use the prisoners for state labor, rather than pointless energy consumption?
There has to have been some legislative reason behind the prisoners not being used to produce some kind of actual commodities, right?
Trade unions complained I'm guessing.
Be nice if we could return to this age.Far to many scumbags running around.
The CC on this could not be worse
Prison works ,Mandelawas in prison for20 years for 13 years he never re offeded ,not even a parking fine.
Not damaged ALCOHOLIC .
The harsher the punishment,the less crime there would be.A good old recipe!!!
tales from the crypt in real like.
I think the guy was faking paralysis and it was very easy to do in those days!
Your empathy is notable 🙄
The one's doing the sentencing should have been the one's doing the time
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