Why Was Victorian Poverty So Horrific? | Secrets From The Clink | Absolute History
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2022
- Secrets from the Clink follows Len Goodman, Johnny Vegas, Michelle Collins, Mariella Frostrup, and Daisy McAndrew as they find out about the crimes their ancestors committed dating back to the Victorian Era and the punishments they received for the crimes.
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Horrible
@@dorenerussell2668it's easier to watch these things for free on YT but they shouldn't compare themselves to Netflix they're actually a little better and aren't making in accurate garbage and at least they probably could get Cleopatra correct 😂😂😂😆😂
From Sydney and studied our 1st fleet plus
Your video is CRAP 💩. No idea about the Victorian penal system / living environment. Why are your yuppy guests crying ? “Well done Henry “. “It terrible”. It was life back then - Grow Up !!
They never knew their criminal ancestors . Look at Fossy Jaw etc . Suffered by Victorian woman / Whitechapel prostitution, the ten bells etc
Sir Robert Peel started the police force in early Victorian times . He initiated Scotland Yard
The worse was being transported to Australia 🇦🇺. You must survive the transportation . Then even worse - port Arthur / port Macquarie , if further misbehaviour
Australia was by far the worse
Botany Bay was NOT a penal colony, Port Jackson / Sydney harbour was the 1st penal location .
Everyday was hard labour - no labour - the colony died . Governor Phillip was a great fair man .
Woman prisoners were part of a draft to penal marines - as a sexual partner
Bring back capital punishment
it really is just as bad as netflix! well done
Remnants of human rights violations.
"Prison is about making you a better person" is the funniest thing I've heard today
If it does for some, what you do say you?
@@kesakary the only thing prisons (at least in the U.S.) do is make you a better criminal and almost guarantee that you will need those skills because they also make it impossible for you to earn a good living legally.
In civilized countries, it usually does. Norway, Sweden and others are closing down prisons due to lack of occupancy. Maybe if the US would get a clue and stop being a profit system, it wouldn't be an international joke 🤷♂️
Is that how they think you do that? Being treated unhuman?
@@kesakary do we continue on a path that helps few and hurts more? Or do we fix a sytem that works for most?
I had a great grandfather who was imprisoned for stealing bread. He was only released because England was fighting with India, and they were scouring the Commonwealth to send soldiers to the Indian fronts. That's how my great-grandfather was released. They sent him to India, where he rode a horse in battle. What a life
And likely got to see many great monsters or beasts to the untrained eye- elephants!
@@delia_watercolors8186 No, war elephants weren't used by then. It was too easy to scare an elephant away, a few gunshots and the damn thing will turn around and trample everyone in the process.
i love geneology and learning about former century predecessors, i coild find nothing really interesting in my family, just boring 9(!) generations of farmers on the same farming property in a Bavarian village....i found it in a book someone wrote on each of the farms and houses in my village and which i accidentally came across on the web, was very interesting, even early-20th-century photographs of our farm where i grew up.
That my heart so sad
Wow! What a personality Grandpa must have had
So we have gone from for-profit prisons, to state run, and now back to for profit; to include debtors prison (can't pay bail, fine, or you have been sued out of existence with wage garnishment, to prison you go). What a world we live in.
That debtors prison would of turned a lot of previously good people into extremely angry criminals! Way to go society!
I don't know how more people don't draw a direct line between the living and working conditions of the European poor and working classes and the utter failure of the monarchy. Dynasty after dynasty, monarchs and their lesser aristocrats designed an entire system only to suit themselves- and having a permanent underclass a day away from starvation or homelessness was all part of the plan. Add in the English Parliament's failure to do anything on top of the failure of Queen Victoria- during this era- and you really have to wonder why the Brits didn't overthrow the entire system. Even now, they've crowned themselves yet ANOTHER pointless king. It defies reason. At least, now we know why so many people ran away from Europe to try and make better lives for themselves in the States. And we DEFINITELY know why labor strikes are the only way to exercise power against the ruling classes, as true today as it was then.
Debtors, prisons and criminals are fictional.
@@worldadventuretravelThe US is a whole other nightmare on its own with anglo cruelty foundations.
@@worldadventuretravel If we didn't have a king we wouldn't be the united kingdom, we'd just be the 52nd state, fuck THAT!
A friend of mine is from Sydney and got curious about her history and found out that nearly all of her ancestors were former British prisoners, which I don't think is all that uncommon but one of them was a young girl, 13-14 years old just like in this video. She was from a poor background and her family pretty much sold her into a life of servitude to a nobleman where she would work various jobs around the estate. I guess when you're poor and need the money, you just sell your children? Anyways, she was rebellious and angry about being sold, and also a child, children do dumb things, who knows, maybe she was being mistreated, no one knows, but she decided to set a bale of hay on fire. Well ... for some reason, I forget why but it WAS explained to me, but the burning of the hay bale was seen as an act of treason, which is of course a capital crime. The community was appalled that a 14 year old girl was going to be sentenced to hang, so they created a petition and her sentence was reduced to a life of labor in Australia ... I want to say
Woolloomooloo, in NSW where she met her husband. The husband was an odd story, his family was not poor, they were more upper middle class, dad owned several stores and the family was very well off. He put his oldest son in charge of a store but didn't pay him much, he's family, you shouldn't expect to get paid ... I guess. Well, he got tired of that and started skimming money and stealing product. In a misguided effort to teach his son a lesson, the father informed the police, thinking they might show up and scare him, might even arrest him and hold him in jail for a bit. Nope, charged with larceny and sentenced to the prison camp in Australia. But yeah, interesting story.
That's so interesting, thank you for sharing 🙏
Your story is worth a book!!
How’d she get out?
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Jared Diamond in his book Upheaval shares some similar stories in the chapter about Australia.
Slaves told of with that fiction?
I thought the story of Jean ValJean being imprisoned for 19 years for stealing a loaf of bread was an exaggeration. Now i realize it is not . This is so sad😔
5 years for what he did. The rest because he tried to run..
@@williamcarrion6895 yes 24601
@@williamcarrion6895 You are simply the best!😄
The play is literally called The Miserable Ones for a reason. I agree it's absurd and insane though, how human beings treat one another with that shit. Like literally, "have you thought about just not being poor?"
@@Eruanne yesss. Like they expected people who spent 20-30 years in prison to go out there and be able to afford food and a home and find a job immediately
The old man's perspective of his ancestor certainly changed during the course of this video. To see him go from rather stern and militant to compassionate towards Henry was really touching and encouraging. Sometimes, it just has to hit close to home to get through.
Empathy shouldn’t rely on personal experience.
@@daniig62 exactly. Empathy that has to rely on personal experience in order to exist doesn’t really qualify much as empathy whatsoever
@@crazycorgiladyus7418 why not? Who cares what it takes to learn empathy if it makes a better person at the end of the day.
@@daniig62 why not? We all have to learn empathy, we all have to grow. Isn’t it good that he gained an understanding and compassion for Henry over the documentary?
@@monarch3495 empathy doesn’t work that way. You either have it or don’t. You’re thinking of sympathy.
amazing how little has actually changed, but we've run out of prison islands. I met a guy once, whose family had started in Namibia, after a great, great grandfather had jumped ship and swum to freedom on the way to Australia
Chris Brown
Very true....the hypocracy of those times was stunning , and reflected in the words of a
certain Judge when he sentanced a poacher to be transported to Tasmania.
" You have had the temerity to adress the Bench without permission....and you have stated
impudently and slanderously, that the upper ranks of society care little for the wants and
privations of the poor.
I deny this positively upon a very extensive knowledge of subjects of this nature !
Indeed, there is not a calamity nor distress incident to the needy and the poor that is
not most deeply felt by the rich and well to do ( either of body or mind ).
It is they who humbly endeavour to mitigate or relieve such things in this Our Happy Land
which for its benevolence, charity and boundless humanity, has been the the admiration of
the rest of the world !
But I am not here to determine matters of social justice....I am here to decide the law !
By your crime you have forfeited these inexpressible benefits of your country.....
I hope that your fate will serve as a warning to others tempted to violate the Laws of Property...
You shall not see your friends and relations in this world again ! "
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Unbelievable how little has changed in regards to financial status…and that makes me so angry.
I'm curious how you see you no longer have debtor prisons, prisoners are no longer sentenced to hard labor, child labor laws have been enacted, you no longer have capital punishment or exile, you have social service systems that help house, clothe, and feed the poor, and yet you say things are just the same, I mean, you're surrounded by the changes, they're quite literally everywhere...I'm not saying everything's great, not by a long shot, but I fail to see how entrenching ourselves in a delusional state of learned helplessness by minimizing the accomplishments of people in the past, and gaslighting people into believing everything is just as horrific as it's always been will fix things...unless the point is to not fix things at all.. in which case, carry on, triggering collective trauma and repeating the propaganda of our so called helplessness, especially drilling it into the minds of young people is how you'd accomplish said conditioning.
Yeah, everyone is a virtuous victim
In a world were you had to work 12 hour days six days a week and more which didn't provide a living wage, I can see why people ended up "in trouble". That and outright slavery bought the huge mansions that your betters enjoyed.
How is that any different than today?
@@ExUSSailor It's not, but people sure are indoctrinated to love capitalism...
@@ExUSSailor Not really there is a vast difference given you live in the western develoed world
@@ExUSSailor Are you serious? How spoiled you are.
@@cjlooklin1914 That's not true, Berniac.
The grandpa was so dense.. Too rich and desensitized to empathize even with his own ancestor..
Thats just what wealth does to you now a days
Right!? I just wanted to smack him when he said it was easy to keep away from criminals and "stay clean"
Watch til the end.
Republicans want to bring back debtors prison, cut off all SSI, Medicare, and Medicaid. That’s what Mitch the bitch said.
Did you not see the end…?
Thank you for all the great videos. I watch everything you put out. I can say with 99% certainty that if I was transported back to these times I would be dead in less than a week. I am so grateful to my ancestors for making it thru. It was no small thing. Just to be a child in these times must have been horrific. These videos always fill me with gratitude for my comfortable life.
We'll all find out soon if we are worth our salt ourselves.
@@kiki_yagelovskaya What you talking about? That Ukraining thing isn't going to spin out of control since NATO is being smart in exercising constraint, and both countries are seeing progress in talks already too so it might be over relatively soon.
I'm going to my favorite Hungarian anime convention this weekend with my best friends there and a big free hug sign, hug everyone, make more friends, dance, life, and have fun. Life is good!
@@ukeyaoitrash2618 I envy your innocence.
@@ukeyaoitrash2618 oh so you think NATO and the UN want you to have a top-level quality of life, they blatantly say they want you to have nothing and be happy about it,,, enjoy your nonsense fair and you're free love I'm glad that at your age I was hustling and working and learning skills,, cuz if NATO doesn't drag us back to the medieval days the Sun is going to drive us back to the Stone Age
Well said
"Premature discharge from his long penal stretch"... and he said it without giggling
You're still punished for poverty. Not so outright, but you are still punished for poverty. It's just slavery revisited.
Drama Queen! Things are better now, even for the most poor, than ever before.
@@SchroderCat Does that mean it's great? or even that they live decent healthy lives?
@@SchroderCat Ignorance. So much ignorance.
@@dominicidejig You can get free housing through hud, foodstamps, monthly stipends, clothing vouchers all by just filling out paperwork lol
In my state, if you're homeless, they give you a free tent & free drugs.
Unsurprisingly, more than half of the homeless people here bussed in from other states.
I can’t imagine what our ancestors actually endured 😰
And several centuries from now how will our descendants think of us? So much physical labour when the technology of the future is so high they could go or have anything they want at the merest thought.
@@haweater1555 I still believe in a honest day’s work,even though some might think it’s out of the normal way of things I still can do manual labor even though I’m handicapped and I can still outdo those much younger than myself, and that what ticks them off 🤗
And it is all starting all over again today….. we have the rich and the poor and a vanishing middle class.
100 thumbs up...it's really a shame and politians are part of the game, they do not want to change the system because they also are winners...there should be a new "French Revolution"...
Not starting, in many places it has been happening for some time
that is nothing new
FDR saved capitalism and Reagan destroyed it. Americans haven’t had a real pay increase in 40 years when you factor inflation. While the top 1% have had a 322% pay increase. Trickle down my ass. It’s beyond evil.
The richer get richer. The poor get prison.
My ancestor, Thomas Brush, for whatever reason, came over to the New World and settled on Long Island in the mid 1600s. I was born there all those hundreds of years later. I can't imagine coming to a place that was still wild, sparsely populated, and hoping to start something. He did - the family farm is still there. I wonder what would have happened had he remained in England. They were a hardened people - able to manage cold, heat, grow or find whatever food they could, children born at home with maybe another woman to help her through that. And hopefully they avoided accidents, diseases, and conflicts. No doctors, no running water, no electric, dirt floors, wood fireplaces, cooking by fire, and a hole outside for the privy. They weren't but a few steps away from their stone or bronze age ancestors.
My English ancestors settled on Long Island 600 years ago, as well
❤️
In “Mosquito Cove”
Which is now known as Glen Cove
They were so many giant strides away from their stone and bronze age ancestors Christine. You are looking at it from a 'nowadays' perspective. Think about how things were different in the 1970s compared to now and things are much changed in just those 50 years.
It's crazy to think these videos discuss an era that wasn't even 200 years ago. This sounds like hell on earth, and for stealing something like a handkerchief? It's a little eye opening that the rich make the laws the common people follow today too, though. If you're rich enough you avoid most prison time as well. The conditions have thankfully changed, but some things never do it seems (I know conditions can still improve, but we have to agree that they are nothing like this.)
Don't steal handkerchiefs then.
🙄
The rich sometimes pay for their crimes. Check out the case of Alex Murdaugh, a wealthy former prosecutor in South Carolina. He's not been convicted or sentenced for his many crimes, but his life and career are ruined.
@@NashHinton I think the point is that for the poor, stealing a handkerchief will get their life fucked up. But a rich person can steal money, people's souls, whatever... and never be punished.
They havent changed in other countries. Children are sold for sex exchanged for food and people still live in barbaric prisons the rich stll rule
So sad. And sad that in many ways poverty is still criminalized in countries that consider themselves fair
Pretty sure we’re still punishing people for poverty today and the prison industrial complex is alive and well.
100%
“Oh, Henry! Stupid boy!” He was so invested in his ancestor’s life choices lol. Interesting video!
An ancestor, like your descendant, is still family :)
This is going on today too, all over the world. Is someone can't pay the debt, yes the person still goes to jail to this day. Why do you think they do a credit check? I have a house, they take the house, car, they take the car , money? I don't have any, off I go! Many people don't know that. Why do you think federal Marshall's knock on someone's door because of an unpaid student loan? The person doesn't get taken to Disney land, I don't think so. Education, food and health care should be free, elderly care, too.
Gosh, her compassion with tears for the victims does good for those who are exposed today too.
Interesting research, I wish I knew how to search for ancestry in neighbouring countries.
You mean the victims of crimes?
@@QUABLEDISTOCFICKLEPOThe ones that weren't really criminals but struggling to survive and live, and still got into prison. Like the teenage girl who didn't do anything but run away from a bad situation.did you hear the talk?
Yes, today's victims of white-collar crimes.
Thieves aren't victims.
But shes not crying for those struggling today
Just imagine the trauma we have inherited from our ancestors via epigenetics from these "crimes" that punished the poor and those with the poor accompanying mental health caused by the crushing poverty.
Still going on today!
probably explains the extreme hatred to rich people
you cannot inherit trauma 🤣
saying such a thing just takes away from the people who ACTUALLY experienced the trauma.
epigenetics is very real. do a bit of research before commenting.
@@TinFoilCat90 What they mean is that someone is abused by their parents and goes on to abuse their children. That's what generational trauma is
I've really enjoyed your Edwardian Farm series and picking my way through your Victorian Era videos. I've never been a big history fan but these are great videos, thank you.
I agree!
Same here
As an Aussie I’ve probably looked at Mary’s face a million times but had no idea who she was! But now I do! Mary the artful dodger..
Some strains of Christianity and capitalism are a bad combination they both reinforce the idea that some are blessed and worthy and the others are not. If you aren't making enough profit for your employer and slaving away your life you are a lazy sinner. This thought process is still pervasive in the USA.
I am a Christian and I do not believe that. The Bible says NONE of us are worthy and we are ALL sinners. The Bible does say a person is supposed to work to eat.
@@mlkirkl09 I’m sure you aren’t too self aware, and aren’t going to do much to stop the corrupt thinking and actions of many who use your religion to do sick things and harbor sick ideology that harms others. I grew up in part in an abusive and hateful christian family. I’ve seen the hypocrisy and the damage it does. There is a whole other world for you to see, and you will wake up one day and realize the hellish nightmare you are a part of and it will destroy you internally
@@mlkirkl09 teach a man to fish then?
It's absurd how bad public education reinforces clasist racist and mysogenist outcomes in the USA, the opportunity cost keeps even those who perform to the systems ridiculous expectations from getting to far higher than the place they were born into! Expecting people to begg for imaginary redemption just adds insults to manifest daily injury!!!
This isn't 1777 or the 1880s, not even 1984 you could do better and if it isn't sin to be born in a bad place it might very much be to uphold the things that keep people suffering.
Some strains of Christianity believe that for sure, but it’s not very biblical. We’re supposed to be servants to other people and help those who are not doing well, the widows and orphans and foreigners in a strange land. There is also a biblical culture of humility where, if you’re the grandest person in the room, you shouldn’t sit at the head of the table and assume you’re the grandest. Those who are the “least” should be honored.
L K, that passage you reference is about staying away from people who disrupt and take advantage of others. People who are able to work shouldn’t take advantage of other people through laziness. Think grown adult children who make their parents pay for everything when they are 100% capable of getting a job. It doesn’t apply to people who are in true need.
Can you say Margaret Thatcher?
I thought I clicked on a video about Victorian era English prisons but instead I got a video about the current US prison system minus the free trip to Australia
In 1840’s Ireland, millions were hungry.
In the 1840s millions were starved to death in India because the British wanted to grow indigo and non food cash crops. Farmers were not allowed to grow food crops under severe punishment if they did not produce enough indigo or cotton or opium bound for China
@@silentvoiceinthedark5665 I would love to see more absolute history discussing the country's history with India. Have they delved much into that? I typically only see mention of Australia.
@silent voice in the dark
All the countries of Europe that had Colonies, committed crimes against the local community I am Dutch and we treated the people who were from the Colonies in a horrible way.
Unconginable acts were committed by the European countries in those countries.
@@sandrastevens4418 - The British empire however had taken it to some pretty horrid levels. Made that much worse considering it lasted centuries and was worldwide. Yet they like to boast the high ground against NS Germany. Or in other words one massive national display of projection.
@@silentvoiceinthedark5665 Yes but also remember that the British got Indian consultants in the form of wealthy landowning classes and nouveau rich civil servants to collect indigo, opium and tea as they didn't have much experience to deal with local feudal structures in exchange for political security
There was a brutal system in Bengal where the peasant had to hand over a specified yield of indigo for being rented some land by the landlord. Such brutal practices pushed many farmers into debt and poverty. Also, remember this happened before the British traders destroyed the Bengali textile industry. The British came to India, primarily for trading textiles, apart from salpetre which was produced in Modern-day Bihar state. After they defeated the local Bengali rulers they tried to turn the textile artisans who often worked very slowly but produced very fine textiles like muslins, silks and calicoes into capitalist workers by setting fixed lengths of textiles to be produced in fixed amounts of time, and oppressed them to the extent that many of these artisans turned into wage slaves cut their thumbs to avoid working under the British. As the industry failed, many turned to farming and as the British sought to reduce growing Chinese influence they forced Bengali peasants to grow poppy(for opium), indigo and tea.
Not to mention the rich landowning classes the British used to collect opium, tea and indigo had no prior experience with civil administration apart from collecting rent and were very wealthy and corrupt, thus leading to many famines in Bengal during this period
Even to this day, poppy seeds(used for extracting opium) are an integral part of post-colonial Bengali cuisine, a trait not shared by any surrounding regions in the Indian subcontinent
And of course the British like to ignore their colonial past, as it would challenge the idea of the British Empire civilizing racially inferior peoples with western values and being on the right side of history in terms of geopolitics, if not for its treatment of its own lower classes.
Common lore of my mother's people is West Virginia, USA, was entirely populated by horse thieves and debtors, who came to hide out in the hills of the Appalachian Mountains, the "Land of Shadows".
People were punished, because they just tried to stay alive in a really unfair system, where rich people got richer and richer.
Worldwide this system hasn't changed much, only that nowadays most people can at least survive somehow and by "Bread And Games" they are muzzled.
But there are always people who want to gain everything the easy way (especially in countries where weapons are easily accessable). In those cases it's not a bad idea to make them work hard physically so that they are exhausted at the end of a day (just like "regular" people) and do not fight other inmates or form gangs and do more illegal stuff.
the love and hate the victorian period creating the system we have today while simultaneously creating the corrupt system we have today.
It's amazing and touching, in a way, that these people are so expressive and emotional towards their ancestors.
Yes, I don't get it. They are getting upset about people who have long since gone to dust.
I am one of those people too. I feel a very strong connection to my ancestors. They are what made me. Without them, I would not be here.
People can be poor and not suffer.
Why when people advocate for easing the suffering, some of the wealthy think people just want a handout?
I'll never understand...
It’s because that’s the only thing everyone else in their lives want from them. Politicians, allies, friends, even beloved family members. You become all about your green number when you’re rich, and to be honest, that’s the only way the vast majority of rich people know how to resolve anything-throw money at it instead of ideas.
Rich people really aren’t that different from you and I-psychologically more than anything, and certainly not more morally good.
Some practices are still going on today. Look at journalist Julian Assange: imprisoned at Belmarsh for more than ten years without being charged. Insane. The brits have been brutal for centuries.
As America is plunging back into the system of for-profit prisons and debtor's prisons, they could learn a lot from watching this history
The portion of the slave system marketed with the fiction of America…
From 5 minutes and 45 seconds on, when she was describing small business insolvency and high inflation that's so 2022 right now globally.
I'm so glad debtor's prison is no longer a thing or I wouldn't be here to write this comment. But how people in poverty are treated now is not much better. The rich are disgusted by the poor, and more often than not the only 'solution' given is, "have you thought about just not being poor?"
My 3rd great grandfather was transported from England for bigamy in 1809.
My Four Times Great Grandma Charlotte Thorpe a Housemaid who stole half a dozen items of Clothing from Her Employers was Transported. But that was before the Victorian Times in about 1812 or 1813. My Four Times Great Grandpa John Oxley a British Explorer originally from Yorkshire would have been in Serious Legal Trouble these days. He sailed under Captain (later Governor) Lachlan Macquarie and was put in charge of Charlotte. By the time They arrived in Australia She was Pregnant with My Distant Great Aunty. They stayed together long enough for My Three Times Great Grandma Francis Oxley Waugh to be born. It would have been Career and Financial Suicide if He'd Married Her, but He took responsibility for His Daughters. He even sent them to England for an Education. He went on to discover Brisbane and was one of the first White People to set foot in The Blue Mountains, just outside Sydney. The Legendary Cricket Players "The Waugh Brothers" from the 90's share these Ancestors.
My great great grandfather was sentenced to 7 years in Australia, why, because he was unemployed, his parents had died and he was sure to be a burden on society! He had finished his apprenticeship at the other end of England and was stranded and sharing with other boys to save costs, one of them held up a man with a pistol and demanded his watch! My grandfather was the one identified by his housemates and a pistol found under his bed, although he was well educated and respected and of good solid character, he was ordered to be transported to New South Wales! He never saw or heard from any of his siblings, or returned to England again! After surviving two severe convict prisons - Norfolk Island and Macquarie Harbour - he was an indentured farm servant to a brutal retired soldier from St Helena! His previous career qualifications were selling interior fabrics, it was a harsh reality! He was not allowed to change his employer, work his own property, or marry his pregnant sweetheart! After his employer died he finally married his girlfriend and tried to take her and her widowed mother to the Victorian goldfields on a whaling ship to start a life, but he was found out and arrested again! Eventually he was free and found work in the timber industry (he was on 5'7" and covered in old wound scars) then he bought 200 acres of land, built a family legacy on hard labour and determination, had 10 children, educated all the locals, and was a highly valued member of the community as were his sons! Neither he, nor any of his family, ever committed a crime in Australia! So calling Australia the land of the criminals, is certainly untrue! Some were unwanted wives + American, African, French, etc! 🙁
Employment is fictional but so is Australia.
The original for profit prisons. Ah how history repeats
Private-run prisons are popular in the States to keep costs down and profits high. And they charge the prisoners for everything including linens and toiletries. Bob Barker, host of "The Price is Right" TV game show was said to make a fortune this way. For him I guess selling each item to the prisoners WAS set at the right price.
Prisoners are very costly to society not only did they commit crimes but the taxpayers are stuck paying for them, sorry I feel no sympathy for them (unless wrongfully convicted of course)
I heard that as well.
@@Kenna198 Stay in your lane
I really enjoyed how he was blatantly describing the way US prisons are set up and repeatedly stressed that it’s a corrupt system.
yea these Victorian prisons sound exactly like the current American Prison Industrial Complex. it's terrible :(
This has been a fascinating exploration by these families. Thank you.
If you think pre-Victorian prisons were exploitative, wait until you hear about current day prisons
The actor Alan Napier who portrayed Alfred on the 60s series Batman was a descendant of Charles Dickens and the blonde head kid Chris on the Partridge family is a another direct a double descendant of Dickens
Crazy cool factoids 😃
It’s incredible how much the Legal Expert related to Dickens actually looks like him.
Indentured contract servants sent by the ship load to America, Jamaica, etc. If you didn't complete the 10 year contract (slavery) it doubled or a death sentence. These were minor offense. Never recognized by the UK to this day.
They had such nice handwriting back then.
Being soothed and educated in the same moment is so nice. Thanks.
Love this channel, thank you for your content!
It's no wonder that the Aussie's are so tough. Look what they survived!
Yeah! Conquering natives isn't easy.
@@alexwilliams5799 grow up
@@unicornhollowhomestead grow up? Australia was founded on convicts that stole the land from native people.
@@alexwilliams5799 no, it was founded on convicts who were forced there and made to take everything for the sake of England.
@@miciarokiri5182 they were exiled to a penal colony. Most every was racist back then. I don't think anyone had to twist criminals' arms....
Things have changed...but they ain't changed all that much.
I like how prisons just scare people into being a better person, since you never would want to go back. But it doesn't really teach or rehabilitate people so they will come back eventually.
A wise man once said, "prison just teaches you to get caught less."
Or something like that.
This was a brilliant episode
I’m thinking about the Author V.Hugo book about the criminal that was chased by the police officer throughout his life while a revolution in France was happening.
Les Miserables
@@rainerw6622Yes
Yes Jean ValJean from Les Miserables . Imprisoned for stealing a loaf of bread
This channel never fails to inform. Thanks
u can find a lot of problems about modern society that stem from the 1800s. it was a very important developmental period and we're about at that point where bandages won't help anymore. what i mean is just a lot has changed, but stayed the same, which is evident
Great content!
It's very naive to think that punishment or aftercare solves things. It's the preemptive things that help: building a society that lessens the reasons for crime and conviction. Like cutting the vicious cicle a lot of families live in. If you've only seen crime and abuse from the day you were born, how can you be expected to live a different kind of live? You only live the way you know how.
But yeaaah, things are definitely better now than how they were in before 20th century 😅 I wouldn't had survived ._.
I would rather die. I don't understand the urge to breed into such a disgusting society. Twelve is the age of "consent" to help with recolonization? I would not consent to giving myself or anyone else heirs.
Oh WOW Dankeschön, dass ich endlich eure tollen Dokus mit Deutschem Untertitel ansehen kann! Das freut mich echt mega! ❤
If you think about it not a huge difference now I mean thing are better but still there’s still the same premise then as there is now
I'm so here for all this history, thankyou for such an amazing channel and content 💖
Have you watched weird history yet? Another awesome history channel on UA-cam check it out.
All probation does for released convicts is to charge them money and impose rules that a person has no idea how to follow since they dont provide any other form of rehabilitation. So you go to jail get locked in that environment for however long, then they throw you back into society and expect you to just be a perfect citizen. WhTever that even means. On top of that they want you to pay and go to probation and pay to do community service and pay to do drug tests in some cases as often as they decide.plus the fines. And if youre unable to fork over any of the money theyre demanding, you go right back. Its a setup for failure from the very beginning. And once they know your name, your life will never be the same because whenever they get a whim to harass you, you get arrested again and go back to jail. UNLESS by some miracle, and a hell of a lot of support, you manage to be 100 percent flawlesss and make a perfect turnaround.
The debtors prison just sounds like a mental hospital
A place some people actually end up in due to debt or poverty
Incredible stories
Exactly why- they had "Debtors Prisons" . They had them in America also.
With all that hard labor in the quarry, his ancestor must have been immensely strong.
"Punished for poverty" isn't that also known as everyday life?
That older gent having such compassion for young Henry and that lady with the ancestor on the 20$ Aussie note haha I bet she could play her in a movie 😊
a whole lot of this sounds like the american system.
As an American who lives in the Republican state of Texas- yes! Anything that helps reduce cost of living is incredibly ridiculed or illegal.
And it was incredibly rare that a person like her ancestor wasn't sent by ship to pay his debt which took 10 years in America.
California resembles this, in fact Oregon does almost as much. The Welfare State is California and treats homeless as criminals.
Portland City, Oregon, is the name of a biggest city with serious homeless situation, and no affordable housing for minimum wage earners, elderly on Social Security, Mentally ill, Handicapped, etc.
American system was based on this.
@@notavailable877 yes it was
What an opportunity…to have clarity about your ancestors and get to walk in their foot steps. I have so many questions.
Very cool!
How pathetic that Queen Victoria had never anything for the poor. The more I go over the real truth about history and of the monarchy the more I am appalled 😱
34 years on this planet, just to watch a documentary about poverty, and victorian prisons, and learn that the word ‘quadrangle’ exists haha 😂
There's so many similarities in names of cities and states that mirror the weather between the UK and the US
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Are there no prisons? - Ebenezer Scrooge :)
The rates of imprisonment are the same because the greed against working class people is mostly the same. It’s a shame on Western un-civilization that humans are seen as disposable to industrial wealth. It makes me feel sick.
This isnt addressing WHY The title should be "In what way was Victorian poverty horrific" or something along those lines.
How they can cry about all that such a long time ago is strange.
It is called love, empathy, suympathy and LOVE. ✝✝✝
“It makes you want to cry”….. lol
Im confused, the prisons they talked about dont sound so different from most modern prisons
Imagine what would happen if debtor’s prisons came back… practically everyone would be in the clink.
No lie. The facade of the middle-class lifestyle is, for many, achieved and maintained with credit and loans, while unpaid bills accumulate.
Honestly love your videos! Please make more shorts as-well👏🏽
Me: *screaming in rage because I live in America which definitely still notoriously runs on a privatized penal system after watching this video describe said system as 'Pre-Victorian' and modern systems consider their inmates free after serving half their sentences*
Transportation is like being stripped of one’s citizenship
Im so happy the age of adulthood isn't 12 anymore.
Heck yeah.
Victorians: we did it first
Aztecs: please!
A similar system to Debtor's Prisons existed in the US. My 2x great grandfather was the foreman and supervisor of the county poor farm of a county in Northern Michigan. He had the inmates make bricks and grow crops and sold them for a profit. Based on this system in America, a debtor could feasibly get out depending on how well the crops or bricks sold. In my ancestor's case, he was particularly nice to the poor of the county, and petitioned the locap government to provide better quality bedding and conditions.
I absolutely love everything Victorian and love learning about their history / culture . Does anyone know where did she get the information she was reading about her family or does she document where she got her information? Id love to be able to check it out and see that , very cool .
"Work Will Set You Free" hmmm where have I heard that before... 😐
The only advantage being the exconvicts ability to start over and not be stigmatized as a felon like today.
I'm struck by the empathy of those who learn about their family members' difficult histories. Although they have never known these relations from generations long passed, I wonder if they think, "there but for the grace of God go I".
My heart goes out to past victims of this system...shocking.......on saying that we need those prisons back for the truly hardened murders and child perpritrators.
You can see how easily the unfair system must’ve been accepted and enabled back then just by watching this video and realising that even his modern day relative called him a “stupid boy” for getting jailed again lol
And in 100 years they’ll look back at today like wtf
They just gave you a piece of land? Right where's that loaf of bread.
Makes me appreciate my life, such as it's been! 🌿
What a silly mindset. You don’t have to appreciate bad things that happened to you just because they weren’t AS bad as what some other people experienced in the past or present.
You must to take action for them don't commit this again....For starting to reinforce OUR Education System ( They Love the "Shallows" Robots they produce Todays ) and Keep History Alive Like This fine Persons Do...!!!
This is why so many people people fled the U.K. to America in the 18th century. Including my decendants.
Given the sagave capitalism, classism, and the same system of deep unfairness for profit in any gov institutions in america at the time... I'd say they went from the pan to the fire. The land of the free, where everyone is free to ba a slave
To then erect the same system? That's absurd.
Greed, selfishness, and fear of not having their own needs met.
The age of consent was twelve? That is just weird to me! A girl dosent even have hips at 12 years old!
Prison: Punishing the poor and destitute since time immemorial under the guise of making society safer.
Where should r*pists, sadists and murders go, then?