Liquid Cooling is Dead. - Tech News March 3
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- Liquid Cooling is Dead. - Tech News March 3
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0:00 Welcome to Paul’s Tech News - March 3, 2024
1:38 Radeon RX 7900 GRE “Launches”
2:58 AMD confirms RX 7900 GRE bug, OC limit will be removed in future driver
4:26 Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Review: a massacre
5:46 MSI CLAW Intel gaming handheld now shipping, but why?
7:05 IBM's AI assisted SSD can block ransomware attacks
8:10 TECH BRIEFS PLATINUM
8:59 Which RTX 4080 Super to Buy your Butler
9:51 RTX 5090 Rumored to Be Up to 70% Faster Than the RTX 4090
10:52 Rockstar Games Asks Workers to Return to Office Five Days a Week
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Radeon RX 7900 GRE “Launches”
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Hardware Unboxed - • Were Mistakes Made? Ra...
Gamers Nexus - • AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE...
AMD confirms bug with recent Radeon gaming GPU - RX 7900 GRE overclocking limit will be removed in a future driver
www.tomshardware.com/pc-compo...
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Review: a massacre
www.tomshardware.com/pc-compo...
geni.us/fqu3VSc
MSI CLAW Intel gaming handheld now shipping, pricier and slower than competition
videocardz.com/newz/msi-claw-...
videocardz.com/newz/intel-bas...
IBM's AI assisted SSD can block ransomware attacks
www.forbes.com/sites/stevemcd...
www.pcgamer.com/ibms-ai-assis...
TECH BRIEFS PLATINUM
Which RTX 4080 Super to Buy
• Which RTX 4080 Super S...
RTX 5090 Is Rumored to Be Up to 70% Faster Than the RTX 4090
www.techradar.com/computing/g...
Grand Theft Auto’ Maker Rockstar Games Asks Workers to Return to Office Five Days a Week
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"Liquid cooling is dead"
"Btw. here is an ad on pc systems with liquid cooling. Buy now!"
ironic 😭
how dumb right
that one is a funny
Man u clicked? Yes . Then u know.
most pcs ship with liquid cooling because the weight on the motherboard tends to break things in shipping
Somewhere out there, Jayz2cents just felt a horrible chill run down his spine
Why?
@@Ladiozsomething about liquid cooling ? Havent see J2C for long.
Jay's thing is custom loops, not so much AIOs.
that happens to him every 6 months when he releases some form of misinformation
still needed if you want to overclock a 14900K, but other than that...
Nice little shout out to Techtesters. They consistently produce good content and deserve a far larger following than what they currently have.
Following them for some years now, as one day I got so fed up with some male techtesters showing closup shots of dirty, chewed off fingernails - I for some time preferred videos of female reviewers. And found Nada & her team (think it's her husband) to produce excellent reviews - esp for SSDs. And as fellow Europeans they also at least mention the energy aspect, which is more relevant with our higher energy costs (which luckily went back to an acceptable price by now). But they also go into other detailes like the fact, that the high-end NVidia cards have two video-decoders, which I only heared in Techtester's review.
Good for the tech-community Nada stopped torturing people and became a tech-tester 😉
Not to mention Nada is quite easy on the eye 😁
An invigorating Sunday morning poop while watching Tech News, life doesn't get much more satisfying
Very much the same 🤣👍
I’m actually watching this video while pooping, what a good Sunday indeed
Defecating to the tech news, downright glorious! -Johnny, Witcher 3.
This is so meta. The AI algorithm knows us well at this point.
I’m glad I’m not the only one
I took a nap for the Tech News. And now, I regret that nap but not the Tech News! Thanks again Joe & Paul!
Paul nailed it; air cooling has gotten good enough to make liquid cooling unnecessary and not worth the downsides for most builds. As long as the CPU isn't thermal throttling, it's cool enough, and lowering the temperature of a CPU that isn't thermal throttling will not make it faster. OCing might make it faster, and that would benefit from liquid cooling, but with today's CPUs, you're better of leaving them stock. If you need more CPU performance, buy a better CPU. And a better air cooler.
The truth is, it isn't just that air coolers have gotten better. There's been a whole leap forwards in terms of cases with far better airflow to give CPU coolers a boost!
Air cooling has always been enough. Water was nothing but enthusiasts being enthusiasts- even over clocked there was never a massive difference bc just water cooling you can never hit lower than ambient anyways. Aios are just making it easier for consumers to spend extra hundreds of dollars
In theory, would this new Thermalright be able to keep up with a 7950x that is only running stock? The numbers make me thing yes, as long as you're not doing anything batsh*t crazy even though you're running stock, but everyone talking about air coolers this good still make it sound like a CPU like the 7950x wouldn't be able to survive without thermal throttling at stock setting.
@@UnderageBeerHere Finding out might be worth the modest price. I suspect it will be fine, and if it isn't, you buy an AIO and still have a very good backup for the day the AIO fails.
@@UnderageBeerHere I have the DeepCool AK620 on my 7950X. It thermal throttles on all-core workloads on a well ventilated case. The problem with AMD is their thick IHS.
You really need close to ambient cold plates to reach those higher all-core boost clocks, which heat pipe air coolers cannot quite do since they rely on evaporation, even if the boiling point is very low in their vacuum environment.
I loved the garden hose analogy. It can be used in so many cases!
Yeah I have a lot of Hose problems as well. My Hose always seems to Bulge really big when it gets heated up.
Also tends to elongate quite a bit .
settle down Beavis
Thanks for the video.
What did I learn from news today, how to take care of your hose. Thanks Paul.
the reason why i dont want to go back into the ofice is the toxic office culture, disgusting and vile managers that ridicule employees and hire girlfriends for themselves who spend all their lunch breaks with them and constantly suck up to them without doing any work but of course they get promoted every year. since we started working remote my creep manager has been looking worse and worse and is soon going to be let go. working from home is a blessing
I’m curious. Where you are located?
My office experience was always great, sorry yours wasn't.
@@bothellkenmore it's not great for the vast majority of people; and objective data & studies shows vast majority of people have a better quality of life and productivity with WFH
@@bothellkenmore mine was good too, still don't wanna go back. not worth 1 hour drive every day.
Maybe consider getting a valued degree in a society and working for profitable companies. This kind of stuff rarely happens there.
The cooler I used for my first custom build was a Thermalright SK-7 with a Thermaltake SmartFan II. Always had a special place in my heart for Thermalright so its awesome to see their resurgence.
Just wanted to come back and thank you for suggesting the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Air Cooler. Just got it installed and it definitely does a great job keeping my 5800X cool, idle temps are now around 39C when they used to be 68C. The one thing I would caution people is check your clearances, this just BARELY fits into my Cooler Master NR600 mid tower case. There is about 18cm from the motherboard to front glass panel, after adjusting the front fan up a bit to clear the RAM it sits at 17.8cm. I guess I could put the front fan on the back of the cooler since the VRM's are much lower, but not sure how efficient it would be pulling the air through the cooler instead of blowing it through. Thanks again for the suggestion, works great and was really easy to install.
Was never a fan of liquid cooling stuff but I respect those who use one. I always just think silent fans are more practical than aio. The 4080 noctua gpu proves the technology is there. The only issue is gpu makers dont sell their gpus the same as cpu. In CPU you can easily buy and install the heat sinks and fans.
It would be great if we can buy a GPU with a good heat sink included and no additional fans and casing designs. you can just easily place 3 Noctua fans on it and youre good to go. Currently you can mod the gpus but thats a different task and your warranty might be voided.
I never had a problem with sound from my aio but on the other hand the fan coolers are the loudest during the medium and hot summers even with headphones. They sound like jet engines when playing games. I'm never look back to them after I got my aio.
Yep, spot on Paul. i just built a new mini itx pC and plunked a $23 Thermal right cooler into it because it was black and fit my color scheme, it fit in the case (NR200P) and it runs great and is quiet. My last 4 pC builds i went with air coolers and will not look back. One of my computers that was 7 years old had a liquid cooler that finally gave up the ghost due to pump failure and i replaced it with an air cooler and it continues to run like a champ.
If 20 USD cooler is enough for you...then you never needed water cooling in the first place. Cause actually powerful air coolers are in same price range as cheap 360/240 AIO`s with superior cooling.
Well done thanks. Your scripting is so well written, entertaining yet so informative.
I prefer air cooling after many AIO solutions (I would never bother with a custom loop as I am far too lazy to maintain it). Air cooling is just so much simpler and in my case going back to air has been quieter than my AIO was and while my temps are higher I am happy to take that trade off
I have been VERY happy with air cooling, running a 5800X paired with a 3070 and the only time I had temp issues was right after my build before I had a chance to undervolt the CPU. I was getting swings over 90* under load. Once I undervolted I've been running for the most part in the 50*-70* range and under the heaviest loads CPU temp swings up to 83* (thermal throttle is 85*) so I run at a consistent 4.6-4.8 GHz. This is at ambient temps of 72*-82* F with a Scythe Fuma 2 Heat Sink and a Meshify C case with Noctua case fans. My 3070 is OC'd to just over 2 GHz and runs about 80*-81* under heavy load (thermal throttle is 83*).
@@dkindig Why use Celsius for CPU temps then switch to using the most idiotic temperature scale known to man - fahrenheit, for ambient temps.
@@mikehawk6918I live in the US, Celsius is relatable in terms of CPU temps but not so much in any other way.
Jokes aside, it's pretty obvious Rockstar is actually pushing return to office to get as many employees to quit as possible before doing layoffs. So, look forward to that.
Using a DeepCool Assassin IV with my 14700K. Was using AIO for about 6 years before that. I forgot just how quiet air cooling is vs liquid. I'm not just super impressed with the noise level but also my temps. Idles around 35C and games rarely get as high as 65C. I was damn impressed. My last Corsair AIO had games in 80C easily and it was a 360mm....
Case pb X
Why no GPU ?
14700 F, only 5% less fast as overclocked K
Not needing any fancy cooling solution.
@@lucasrem "less fast"... also known as "slower"
Next go around I'll get the biggest air cooler I can fit. I have a 9900k and a corsair 360mm aio. Gets too warm and too loud.
haha I had a corsair AIO, traded it last year for an air cooler, its cooler and quieter lol
@@MannElite thats corsair for you my nhd15 was shit compared to my aio.
Awesome job Steve and Joe!
I agree that liquid cooling is not needed in the majority of systems built as air cooling has gotten so much more efficient over the years.
As far as hand helds I just don't get this. Is this the 90's again? I use my phone to play what I want to play while waiting for whatever I'm waiting for. My pant pockets are not big enough to put a handheld into lmao.
Thanks again for sharing and stay well guys!!
Something fun I learned a few years ago is that a blower fan that plugs into the wall (Amazon "blower fan", used in workshops) will provide your PC with essentially unlimited cooling. The usual PC fans are very much limited by the small size and low voltage coming out of the power supply.
Money can't buy happiness... but it can rent it by the hour...
IYKYK!😂
Only reason I wont go to aired cooling is the fact I like cleaning my system often and it makes it near impossible to remove the newer CHUNKY gpus without putting a pencil or something in there to hit the release clasp
as a d15 user you're painfully right
@@bradhaines3142 like I know some newer boards have their release switch places elsewhere but it needs to become a standard across all board makers
Asus has a button that takes all that pain away on their Mobos.
I am ditching my 280mm aio for the thermalright phantom spirit 120 se, because I don't have to worry about it eventually dying and it performs close to a 240mm/280mm aio
where's the part the title refers to, referring to liquid cooling being dead? i just saw the tiny part about some reasonable air cooler releasing or something, but didn't explain how/why liquid cooling is dead or dying, or any numbers or opinions on that.
Radeon marketing department has been run by literal shitposters, like they can't be trying, they "can't" be this dumb, they must be trolls. Hope they get a grownup to supervise them in the near future.
😆😂🤣🙃
that may be true, I don't know, but what about Intel's marketing department ? I'd love to hear what you think of them ...
To be fair to Radeon, I literally feel that's almost all marketing branches. The constant lying, belittling competition, etc. all of it comes across as childish
@@richardconway6425they do their job, as shown by the results lol. Intel is far and away more popular of a name than AMD. That's marketing, baby.
Ethical marketing is an oxymoron.
The mentality of every employer having to "get everyone back into the office" is stupid. People don't work better, or more productively when they have someone breathing down their neck, when they are micromanaged or when they lose another 10 hours of their life to commuting and even LESS money in their pockets. This is a management problem, and a trust problem, not a people problem. Yes this is general, it's never going to be a one size fits all, but I've seen it time and time again, AND experienced it myself. Through 2020 and 2021 lockdowns, I was able to still significantly grow business, get more leads, receive more orders, and do all of my necessary tasks remotely. Yet I was forced back into an office, a place where I was bullied, uncomfortable and only ever had my time wasted with stupid meetings. I'm no longer with that company, what a waste of the last 13 years of my life.
The only thing I'll say is your girlfriend or wife finds a man who goes into the office more attractive. Other than that all your points stand
FRESH tech news Yet again. Big Girthy Aircoolers are always nice, but i really hope that mounting them doesnt SUCK. NH-D15 Is great, but its AM4 Installation is horribad.
I had to swap out a corsair AIO after overheating started to happen on my rig, gonna go noctua from now on, my 2nd gen i7 from 2012 is still going strong with its noctua cooler
Most high performance "Air coolers" aren't really air coolers. They do use liquid for heat transfer too even though it's a small amount and going through a phase change and what not. Pumpless coolers?
Good point.
So did you just say "actually heat pipes have liquid"?
@@bothellkenmore yeah, a few drops of liquid are in there.
No way I'm going back to air cooling. I don't miss cleaning and taking those things apart one bit. I'll continue to buy AIO's for the simple reason of easier to clean.
But expensive to replace.
Subjective, $90-120 USD for a 240mm AIO isn't a big deal, and I have several that are going for 7 years now.@@techluvin7691
@@techluvin7691 a high end aircooler is the same price as an artic freezer 2... hardly cheaper to replace at all.
For my PC, the power draw peaks at 1100w with rog strix 4090 OC, i9 14900KF and asus rog thor 1600w titanium, when just doing the benchmarking. If they seriously crank up that performance that high with the next gen, I really hope it won't come with a huge increase in power draw to match it. I'm already afraid of hitting the limit of my fuses, since it's hard to find a fuse in the fuse box that's guaranteed to not cover more than just the computer. (The electrical details in the fuse box weren't exactly clear which fuse covers which outlet in most of the apartment.)
Also, Asuka is the best. Red goes faster.
7800x3D: 30-40 watts in game, it's so efficient even a stock wraith prism cooler would be enough. I got an AK620 which is very good value for the money and it's probably overkill. But there are a lot of great air coolers at really good prices right now, and you don't have to worry about a pump failing. Fan stops working after 5 years? Well, that's a $10 fix (or less).
I went the same with my 7800x3d..the AK620 is very much overkill. OCed stress test= gets up to~78 or so after 5 minutes.
A stock cooler with that CPU isn't enough in fact. But you're correct that a good air cooler, such as the Thermalright one mentioned, will do a good job with that CPU.
@@ObakuZenCenter I have a 7800X3D too. You're lying, or ignorant. This thing needs to be intentionally stressed to run at half of its TDP. A stock AMD spire/prism is rated to handle the actual wattages it uses. The thermalright coolers are beyond overkill. Under a CPU-heavy gaming workload that sort of cooling keeps mine at less than 140 at 2/3rd fan speed. This thing is rated for 192. Clearly you need to be educated in what a "fact" is.
70%? Bet it's software. I don't believe software like AI frame generation should be included in performance tests...because that's software...and we want to know how the _hardware_ performs.
It’s strange but I like how this man just doesn’t give a shit anymore and just goes through the motions
wut
is liquid cooling still louder than air cooling? I'm building a pc and I want it to be quiet at idle.
I picked up a £45 240 liquid cooler last week on amazon. I have a very cramped case, with a 5600 non x and a 3 fan rx 6900 xt. Even at 1440p my cpu is usually still the bottle neck. Basically i have the same case and motherboard from when I originally built a Ryzen 1400, rx 570 system (good old am4). The 5600 was getting around 80 degrees and also causing the gpu temp to rise. So i replaced my cheap id cooling air cooler with an equally cheap random brand liquid cooler. So far my CPU temps dont exceed 65c with the 5600 oc'd to 4.7ghz. Fingers crossed it will last.
I bought a thermalright $20 tower cooler for my i7-6700 and it's so overkill that I can't get the temp to go above 60 ever, even when stress testing for extended periods. it's so overkill but any cheaper and I would be in the "Offbrand intel cooler" range. only issue is that the fan died after a few months but I just got a new fan and it's good as new.
I'm ngl I think tower coolers look better in larger systems
Sunday morning Paul & Joe will sure cure my weekend cold and runny nose 😊
Does the longer hose reduce the likelihood of pump failure?
That thermaltake slip, no no. Dont worry that wasnt a mistake, thermaltake will clone that cooler soon enough.
Theyre more than capable and historically proven to copy designs.
I can't wait to see how the next gen noctua NH-D15 compares in the air cooler product stack...
Any news on its development? Last I heard it got delayed a few months
i picked up the 120 evo, keeps my 5700x3d nice and cool. Highest temps ive seen is 55c.
I love my Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE with the AMD 7800X3D. Performance is better than more expensive coolers. I've been a fan of theirs since the mid-2000s. They always seemed to make great performing coolers that also looked good.
Also ppls if ur gonna use a big hsf, lap the bottom of the heatsink few different grits and ull lower ur idel and load temp. U can do the same to cpu or remove the lid but that has its own issues when mounting u risk killing ur cpu.
i got me an AK620 digital by deepcool and its nice to see those listings you posted, seems its done really well for itself. Glad i picked a good one. I'm also on the RTX 2080 and still waiting for a decent upgrade option. I play at 1080p still, 165hz. so I'm not really sure if it is still worth upgrading from, because everything runs so well. maybe the 6000 series
Thermalright is doing really well with the coolers. Even the mirror aio is pretty good.
I bought a thermal right phantom Spirit as soon as hardware canucks started raving about it! With the best single Tower RGB cooler my 5950 ex was running at average passmark speed (45.3k). When I installed the dual Tower phantom spirit (regular) the performance increased by 6% which is amazing (47.6k)! I didn't touch any parameters!
I never ever use liquid cooling it just introduces a high risk of something going wrong. That never happens on air cooler. You just know right away if the cooler isn't seated correctly or poor conductive thermal paste is used. If done properly it stays that way for years. No risk to anything. Also very quiet. I use Noctua but will use this Spirit Evo come next likely AM5 ZEN 5 9800X3D build. Unless Arrow lake is a winner.
That price is really good too. Basically half the price of a Noctua DH15 and Dark Rock.
The only problem with air coolers (and I know from my latest build), is make darn certain that the cooler is rated to FIT on your motherboard, NOT just the CPU socket. I tried a DeepCool air cooler on an ASUS M/B and it just wouldn't fit. I had to go with an aio.
And make sure it will fit your case, too. That Noctua is like 160mm (6.3 in) tall.
Always has been, at least price to cooling power and reliability.
im using thermalrights peerless assasin for my 5800x that killed a cheap 240mm aio at the start of the build, didnt know it would pull all 200w and had to watch 3 videos before I got the pbo right and undervolted the cpu!the assasin is maxing out at 60 degrees on heavy 4k video premiere pro rendering!bought a new one along with a tuf gaming x570 mobo for half the price on sale!getting the 5900x next month!
Is 200W what you're saying your cooling solution needs to be rated for? Last time I looked, my 5800X has a TDP of 105W.
I have now set it to 120w!@@dkindig
i got a DeepCool AK620 on 13500, i havent seen CPU going above 49c, on cP2077 where it draws around 70-90w..
Tested the PS 120 Evo on my 5950X with PBO drawing ~230W.
64°C above ambient, not bad...
Went back to my FC140 which, according to Hardware Canucks is soo much worse.
Same day, 30 mins later, same ambient temp (20.5°C): FC140 = 60°C above ambient.
Yes, the Frost Commander's fans are a tad louder @full speed in Cinebench &Co. but silent in idle and during gaming the GPU 'sfans are louder then the CPU's.
PS 120 Evo is a nice looking and really good cooler, but no danger for the big boys.
How exactly are you putting that cooler in an A4-H20?
what happened to the 4060 w/the M.2 drive allocation?
We hear so much about AI now because everything that ever had some sort of automation based on a script/program is now AI. Like those little robot vacuums are now ~AI~powered~!
Calling every program AI is like saying everything is racist, it has lost its meaning.
As someone who still does lan parties, liquid coolers and gpu risers are a blessing.
I can haul around my pc without the fear of motherboard damage due to weight hanging off of it.
Aesthetics have me staying with my AIO as I like to theme my builds. I am not real sure the larger air coolers would clear some of my GPU's when mounted vertically. They also can cover up some of the RGB Ram if you chose to go that route. You can do it on a budget as well. I paid 60 bucks for my Frost Notte and my temps are great at idle and under load on my 5800x. I will admit the pump can be a little noisy. I backed it down to 90% speed it was better. I usually wear headphones anyway.
Paul, i have a 2700x in an MSI x470 M7 AC Mother board , 16mb's trident Z 3200 RAM. Can i plug in a 5700X3D with just a BIOS update ?
Been saying that since I discovered chunks of aluminum work just as well, cost less and only have one failure point.. the fan! Which is easily replaced!
The right side can house up to 420mm aio radiators?
my d15 has been cooling my amd4 cpus since 2017. 1700,2700x,3900x,5900x and finally the 5800x3d.
Same and even beyond... My D15 did cool pre Ryzen my AM3+ FX8350 too...
My headcanon is that Nvidia had solid plans for a 4090 ti/Titan/whatever, then they scrapped those plans when the 12VHPWR connectors started melting at less than 600W. A full AD102 would have 18,432 cores, 568 tensor cores and TMUs, and 142 RT cores. The 4090 has about 90% of this. A full die variant should be pulling ~500W, with transient spikes much higher, before any sort of overclocking or playing with power/temp sliders.
If a 450W card is melting connectors, will you need dual 12VHPWR connectors for a ti variant? Seems pretty silly to have to double up on "the new standard" already.
I swap to air cool after one of the best aio on the market that cost 5 time more died in a year1 installed properly
GPU speed isn’t the real limit right now, the DisplayPort or HDMI interface is. That hypothetical 5090 must have DP 2.1.
So if I do not liquid cool what should I used today?
I bought one of the phantom spirit 120 evo after reading that article, and it is shocking how good it is. On a 12600K it doesn't break 52 degrees C in all core cinebench run pulling 125W, which means the fans don't even ramp up = Quiet PC under all workloads. $42 is such great value
I've never heard of an air cooler leaking liquid, but there are plenty of cases of liquid cooling making a mess like that. My brain doesn't want to go there. I think it is good to see tower coolers improve and of course it is good for the end user to see Noctua get a little competition.
What I like most about Paul's presentations, is that not only does he tell you what you WANT to know about what what's going on; but then goes on to tell you what you NEED to know about things you didn't know about : ALL in a thoroughly satisfying manner:) THUMBS UP!!
Watercooling still has benefits. If you have a mini PC, it makes sense to use watercooling so you keep the heat out of the case away form other components like RAM that would be taking in the excess heat. The same with the GPU if its in the same area which will heat up the CPU and vice versa. If you have a tower PC, it makes more sense to just stick with air cooling and avoid the extra hassle of install.
Another rarely discussed benefit of watercooling is thermal shock. If you run a high performance app, that leads to a big spike in temperature which watercooling absorbs quickly, this results in a gradual temperature curve which can increase the lifespan of your CPU.
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I'm still using a Noctua NH-D15 chromax Black, Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (140mm, Black) on my Ryzen.
Some creepy feeling crawls down my spine and whispers to me that the 5090 die will be very much cut down to the percentage level of 4090D.
Loving "One percenter" Paul. Needs to be a regular segment.
I picked up the Phantom Spirit Evo, after trying out the new liquid freezer iii. The PS Evo is amazing. It's so much quieter and outperforming the liquid freezer iii 240mm. I feel like I need to send someone at thermalright extra money.
AMD website states:
"Thermal Solution (PIB) Cooler Not Included, Liquid Cooling Recommended"
But I opted for a NH-D15 to cool R9 my current 3950x - 4 years later no pump fails or water leaks. Just good temps in R6 define case. When I upgrade to another CPU/socket etc and if noctua support a mounting-kit for it. I mite transfer the cooler, now that what I call VFM CPU cooling
AIOs are kind of hit or miss.
I've gone through one 360mm AIO on my TR 3960X, my 2nd one MSI replaced under warranty seem like its slowly dying too.
My TR 2990WX runs phenomenal on my dual fan Noctua U14S TR4-SP3, keeps it cool that I was able to mess around with the overclocks to get it fully tuned. I could not do this with an AIO.
Why people keep setting up radiators with the hoses in-out on the top of the radiator, when mounted vertically ?
You know even if i am a H2O enthusiast doing it since before it was something you just buy.
Well at times i have used a good heat pipe cooler( Thermalright ) , my Opteron 170 ( Denmark ) for instance it ran just fine with a heat pipe cooler and at 2500 MHZ
What’s the projected 5090 release window?
wait a minute!! so are yall saying i need to take the corsair hyrdo 105 aio i got on a 5800x3d off?? but why wld i take it off? its outlived 6 different cpu's and 4 gpus. rip 1080ti, rx590,rx5700xt, and the most recent 7900xtx. as for cpu's its enjoying cooling an amd 1600x, 2700x, 3600, 3900x, 5600x, 5800x, and now its got a 5800x3d. most of which were on an asus x470 prime pro. longest mobo ive ever had, but the new x670e ahs been nice.
In a computer, the major heat source is always the CPU, and the end cooling medium is always air. Water cooling is just an inbetween stage because what cools the warm water? Answer the air. The higher the difference or differential in temperature will give you the best efficiency.
Good stuff as always Mr. Paul and Mr. Joe!
Cant find these charts on toms hardware website. Does it have paywall?
Paul, you always give advice worth following, but this time it is advice I already follow. I always keep my hose clean and in a fresh pair of tech briefs....... Otherwise things can get quite rank and drafty...........
Sad to have missed the tech briefs
I agree with this but, all my tubes and cool glowing liquid is just so nice to look at. However, I'm starting to get tired of these huge cases. I have a LIAN LI RAZER ED OD11 Dynamic and I have a creator board in it. Great room just don't think I need that anymore since I'm not messing with stuff that needs a system like that so much anymore. I just need to play games decently.
I have an unopened PureLoop 2 I bought and need to install. It has been waiting for many a month. One day, one day...
The NH-U14S is still available new, but nobody has it in these cooler reviews. I wish people would throw it in at least some of these air cooler comparisons. It's actually within a couple degrees of the D15 in most situations and far cheaper.
Hey Paul, Question you could maybe cover in a video.
This past week i happened to see a few questiones around the internets that were similiar.
Should i buy a4k or 1440p monitor? and is there a real difference ? seems like a straight forward question but every answer seemed to ignore first half and talk only about second half.
not one answer asked What video card do you have? are also buying a new video card to go with new monitor?
Just how much video card do you need (tier) to push 1440p and what FPS can you expect as a minium.
What tier do you need for 4k 60fps or 4k 120fps
and if you can only upgrade 1 piece at a time it seems the GPU would have to come before the monitor or that shiny thing on your desk won't output much with that 3060 or 6600 you picked up.
or would it and i am just over thinking the problem. Just seems odd nobody mentions the GPU when talking about 4k monitors
Great video and exactly what i was looking for my dual xeon e5 2699 v3 as video encoder and 3d rendering farm. 90 bucks for 2x those Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO vs 400 bucks for 2x Corsair h150i and same performance while air Thermalright will be good for lifetime system and corsair until the water pump dies.
P.S.: out of those UA-camr marketitors with over 1 million subscribers - you are the number one in terms of value and then Nexus Gamers and then the rest garbage. Good job Paul - I officially recommend you.
...Why someone even buying this overpriced crap? Corsair AIO`s are not good in any way, you can get 5 cheap AIO`s for same price, that will do about as good, if not outright better.
Regarding the work from home... I can't wait for my employer to force a call back. Since working from home I, and my coworkers work on average 12hr days, often more. There is no reason a meeting can't start a 6AM or earlier with Europe, or 7PM or later with China, Korea, Japan. At least when I was in the office there was a general understanding about reasonable time to get into the office and leave
Same experience. Somehow work takes more time to do much less, how do they even do that?
Really great show, Paul. Your cadence was spot ON....
My M2 Mac Studio Ultra running Stable Diffusion gets slightly warm with its copper fins and air cooling. My i9 Corsair Vengeance tower with RTX 3080 Ti running the same models with water cooling still gets red hot, and the fans scream. It depends on the Tech involved, I guess.
Air cooler gang! Only reason I down currently own a Thermalright is because when I built my latest system MicroCenter was out of stock, been happy with my DeepCool AK620 though. Have a Noctua in another system that's been running problem free for years now.
Funny thing is that there's actually still liquid in just about any good "air" cooler, inside the copper heat pipes, there's just no pump, and everything is welded in, making it very unlikely to leak, and they don't really require any maintenance aside from being cleaned every once in a while, and having the fans replaced when they eventually fail, which could easily take more than a decade with good quality fans.
So a good air cooler should be sufficient for a 7800x 3d for gaming with a good case / good chassis ventilation, right?
The 7800x3d is so efficient in games that a decent air cooler will have no problems. I have a Noctua NH-D15 and it is complete overkill.
A "good" air cooler is already overkill for a 7800X3D.
Definitely need to clear my calendar and get some shit done
I work in tech. The failure rate on pre-built AIO coolers is staggering. If the fan on an air cooler fails, you just replace the fan. The stack of metal on top will never fail, and most people don't overclock to the extent that they need water cooling. I would never recommend water cooling to anyone.
Its never sat right with me haveing an aio sitting above a 4090.