Surely ALL these RTX 5080 rumors can't be wrong… - Tech News May 12
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► TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Welcome to Paul’s Tech News - May 12, 2024
1:26 NVIDIA RTX 50 Rumors - 5080 before 5090? 250W to 600W Testing
3:49 Intel Core Ultra “Arrow Lake-S” desktop lineup leak, including 24-core 285K
5:49 AMD Might Brand CPUs “Ryzen AI” - Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 Leaked By ASUS
TECH BRIEFS
7:41 New LPCAMM2 Memory Modules arrive for Laptops
8:25 Intel Panther Lake to feature up 16 CPU cores and 12 “Celestial” Xe3-Cores
9:04 VESA Rolls Out DisplayHDR 1.2 Spec
9:40 PCIe 6.0's new thermal throttling technique
10:20 ASUS unveils ROG Ally X
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NVIDIA RTX 50 Rumors Continue - 5080 before 5090? 250W to 600W Testing
www.tomshardware.com/pc-compo...
www.techpowerup.com/322284/nv...
videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ge...
wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-r...
videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ce...
Intel Core Ultra “Arrow Lake-S” desktop lineup leak, including 24-core 285K
videocardz.com/newz/intel-cor...
overclock3d.net/news/cpu_main...
AMD Might Brand CPUs “Ryzen AI” - Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 Leaked By ASUS
www.anandtech.com/show/21386/...
www.tomshardware.com/pc-compo...
TECH BRIEFS
New LPCAMM2 Memory Modules arrive for Laptops
www.anandtech.com/show/21390/...
• New Laptop Memory Is H...
Intel Panther Lake to feature up 16 CPU cores and 12 “Celestial” Xe3-Cores
videocardz.com/newz/intel-pan...
VESA Rolls Out DisplayHDR 1.2 Spec
www.anandtech.com/show/21385/...
PCIe 6.0's new thermal throttling technique
www.tomshardware.com/pc-compo...
ASUS unveils ROG Ally X
www.theverge.com/24152945/asu...
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Nice of intel and AMD to both swap to 3 digit names at the same time just to confuse all their consumerbase again
Well intel changed so obviously AMD had to follow.
Wait what? What did AMD do?
@@platinumsun4632 Followed intel with changing naming scheme and went a bit overboard
@@platinumsun4632 literally watch the video smh
Yet those Intel fools somehow seem to believe the Ultra moniker has chances against the AI buzzword.
Why not rename the whole company to AIMD while we are at it?
dont give them any ideas
Quality comment
nVidia, AiMD begets... APP le that is oddly correct gen their pension for App and limited editions. ASSus also may be a solid change.
@@EthelbertCoyotePerfect, yes.
More AAIMD "Advanced AI Micro Device" and "NvidAI"
The only thing we know for certain is that the next generation of cards from AMD and Nvidia will be too expensive for what they deliver.
I'm loosing interest in the new gpus and cpus. Finding it hard to even care. A lot of it is due to price and my lack of interest in any new game releases.
@@Killswitch1411 way to keep it loose
@@red5standingby419 Better keeping it loose than being uptight?
Yeah and the power draw will be absurd.
I very rarely run my 4090 at max power as it is so a 5090 is a big no no for me.
@@Killswitch1411 I can buy a prebuilt right now with a 4080 and a 14900k for chepaer than what it would cost me to build it new.. The prices are fine unless you're one of the ones who expect to get a high end machine for no more than $1000
VESA creating a solution to the problem they created... So they can double dip on monitor manufacturers... So monitor manufacturers can raise prices for consumers... Brilliant.
Everybody wins!
Who needs money anyway??
@@Stev-mi2fd xDDD
I'm so sick of "AI" being crammed into everything.
Buckle in. We’ve barely started scratching the surface of AI being added to everything.
@@MrTaylork1we are at the peak of "Ai" that doesn't do anything I to everything. Either they are going to figure out something useful for it to do. Or people are Going to start to get wise.
Get use to it lol
I'm barely recovered from NFT's and Metaverse taking over...
Too bad this is just the beginning.
oh great, a new Asus handheld for them to screw you over with when it comes to repairs and all that.
GN ftw!
@ 3:47 No one under the age of 40 is going to get that " video clip " 🤣
My 7 year old intel i7 7700k CPU has already done away with hyper-threading all on it's own (via the blue screen of death). Ahead of it's time.
My 6700k is still a beast.
@@yugdesiral am surprised by it 2 have it already 7 years now wow
@@Oliver-sn4be 8 years now, just handed it down to my 5yo. The 980ti is still delightfully demolishing most games at 1080p.
@@yugdesiral hopefully you keep your 5 year old on single player only but i doubt it.
@@Joker-no1fz mostly single player yeah, if online i just turn off chat
The compression plate of CAMM being replaceable should be adopted by the motherboard cpu socket.
Probably more complicated for CPU but it could be cool to be a way to upgrade the CPU without replacing the motherboard (like Framework does).
Then while we are add it add both things for dedicated GPUs so you can upgrade both the GPU itself and memory, lol.
I would sadly think it will be too costly to do this for CPUs/GPUs to ever be practically done.
Big difference between a small piece with 200~ pins, and a CPU socket with close to a magnitude more, as we approach sockets with ~2000 pins. I don't think it would be practical.
New Intel management does not want their reign to be confused with previous management products.
Great intro Joe and Paul!
if all your Intel Core processors are "Ultra" what does Ultra even mean here?
There are also none Ultra. But they have rarely been talked about (maybe still haven’t been released in actual products).
Various people have often said new Ultra line up to talk about these new Intel tile based CPUs compared to old monolithic CPUs, possible that has made Paul just call them all for Ultra.
Edit: Possible the none ultra isn't tile based (at least not the current ones), which makes the new naming even more confusing when the point of new naming would be completely new design like tiles.
They do have non Ultra CPUs but they are more for OEM and lower end and not really loudly announced
So in summary: whoever proposed AND accepted the naming change should be fired
@@aerosw1ft they can't - that person is DEI hired...
Ultra confusing
Thanks for changing the background music Joe! 🙏
That Computex logo reveal was quite something. Good job, Joe.
I love watching these vids of new shiney tech, while my PC's specs in 2024 are:
i7-3770
GTX 1060
16 GB DDR3 RAM
Play my cards right, I might finally afford to get a 1080 Ti this year!
I have a 1080 and it is fantastic in 2024
Why you watch Paul than ????
Only hobby freaks need it, keep the old system, and stop watching the adss crab here !
@@lucasrem Just because I can't afford them, doesn't mean it's not fun to look at the shiney things.
Has the prices gone up again? I picked up a 1080ti for around $200 on ebay a year ago
That subtle Midsommer background was great.
Thanks for reminding me that "A Current Affair" existed.
Uh, nostalgia... Maury Povich "was the father" of that show, so-to-speak. It was definitely a better news show than what's around today.
Great video Paul! Always good to catch up on the Tech News.
I really like the intro 😉👍! You can make the episode worth watching even if the news are nothing to write home about.
Get ready for that crappy connection to melt yet again on the 5090s since Nvidia will not accept the truth that it’s a extremely bad connector for powerful cards.
Or at least transfer it to location where cable can be properly mounted. I mean, why would ANYONE put cable in place where it doesnt hit case, its obviously inferior design.
Also screw ASUS for not replacing those melted connectors.
DO NOT BUY ASUS!!!!!!!!
TOMS hardware news posted today as of 5/12/2024
Asus quotes ridiculous $2,750 fee to replace chipped GPU power connector- docs back up claims of egregious repair pricing for $2,000 RTX 4090 GPU
Much like avoiding OLED panels for risk of burn-in/image retention. Is the risk reduced? Yes. But it's still a risk. I'm not gonna buy a card with that 12VHP connector for that reason. My 3080trio looks fairly clean even with its 3x8pin connectors due my cable management. Even if I was lazy with my cable management, who is really ever gonna see it but me?😂
that intro alone warranted a sub... absolutely brilliant! :D
3:16 even further and more reasonable speculations..
Nvidia is aiming for global launch with "Blackwell" architecture.
which is only possible if they release the 5080 first.. the card that is supposed to comply with U.S. export regulations
god i wish more companies would just adopt an annual revision of a product and literally just call it the "productname 20xx" so you can just easily reference how old it is and whether or not you ~might~ want to consider a new revision upgrade.
Re the ad,
One of those pins on the 4-pin fan connector is a speed signal, that goes back to the motherboard so it can see if the fan is dead or too slow.
If fans can be "daisy-chained" from just one connector on the board, which of the daisy-chained fans is being read? What about the others?
Another glorious tech news video to accompany my Sunday morning visit to the thunderbox. It's becoming a Sunday tradition for me, followed by roast beef and Yorkshire puddings for dinner.
If the 5080 release first, it will be as a test to see how many customers are willing to pay 4090-level prices for a 080 skew.
The answer, as far as I am concerned, will be: bring a 7800 XT to 500$ and NVIDIA can shove that useless AI back where the Sun don't shine.
If NVIDIA sticks with a $1,000 price tag for the 5080 people will buy it. A 4090 level of performance for $1,000 and with less power consumption people are gonna be grabbing that as candy.
@@laszlozsurka8991 If nvidia sticks to a $1000 price tag, then they will sell exactly the same number of units as they did in the previous generation.
@@laszlozsurka8991it won’t reach 4090 level of performance. It will probably be 85-90 percent most of a 4090 and maybe just 15 percent faster than current 4080S all for the low price of 1299.00 and people will bend over to take it from Jensen and love it
AIMD RAIZEN for AILL!
AI See what you did there!
faice palm
With a bag of raisins with Raiden on the front.
wowowowo the naming scheme change will be a very good one... going from 5diggits to 3 may be a big loss tho ahahahha thanks Steve.
and Paul as always, thanks
The intro music is both joyful and triumphant!
Thanks Paul !!! I hope you and your family are doing great.
Hi Paul.
Always enjoy your laconic delivery style.
Sometimes I even agree with your conclusions!
Keep 'em coming.
Mant thanks.
Does anyone know the PC case over Paul's right shoulder on his desk?
Oh boy a new PCIE standard, now they can catch fire on both ends!
The ROG Ally X is ASUS's way of admitting that the ROG Ally was a lemon of a device to start with without having to do a recall to replace all those busted devices. (Just ask Steve at Gamers Nexus.)
I'm surprised ASUS didn't simply classifying white shells as being out-of-warranty damage, and just automatically charged anyone sending in a white Ally for the "fix".
Lmao 😂 I have had mine since launch and have had no issues at all lol legion go has had their fair share of issues too lol 😂 the X is the same thing just more ram and better cooling.
@@BainesMkII But technically they did that with the Gamers Nexus Ally. There was a very small ding that didn't affect anything, but they tried charging GN $200 for a screen replacement, because the screen was permanently attached of the case.
I've owned an Ally since launch, and I have never had any problems with it. It's a well-known fact that you will have a small percentage of electronic devices fail in the field within the first 90 days of usage, due to "early failure" of components which tested fine right before the product shipped (the failure rate then drops precipitously, and slowly rises as the product ages). You might also have process problems in assembly, but I would assume that someone in the (laptop) business as long as Asus already has processes in place to fix these issues when they are detected. AFAIK, nobody who has actual data on failure rates has posted any statistics. Calling it a lemon based on 4 or 5 people posting about their device failures on the internet means ALMOST NOTHING if hundreds of thousands of units were shipped.
@@glenndoiron9317 It's not the failure rate that is the issue. ASUS has established a history of straight out scamming people through their repair process. This isn't just "normal" warranty/repair shenanigans either (though ASUS is guilty of that as well). Horror stories are everywhere, but a good breakdown of complaints along with their own absolutely absurd story can be found in the Gamers Nexus video "ASUS Scammed Us".
even advertisement looks interesting when Paul is talking :)
Good coverage.
Thank you Paul!
OMG, they're going to announce an upcoming announcement!
*The big.LITTLE era:*
*heat is a concern*
*stability issues*
*IMC issues*
*DDR5 tech issues:*
*heat is a concern*
*stability issues*
*The long and short of it is: You have to tinker like a MAD MAN in the BIOS and find the PERFECT mixture and tuning. Or... You have to make a sacrifice or two, to get a stable system.*
*ie: dial back your ram frequency and tighten the timings, ramp up the voltage and pray for hitting the lottery and get your advertised frequency running stable, upgrade AiO cooling or custom loop to something massive like a copper rad, 420mm setup (3x140mm fans), stronger pump, higher static pressure fans, etc.*
The New laptop So-DIM modules look interesting from a hardware perspective. Would love to try them out when the price comes down to universal consumption levels.
Super intro as usual, good way to start any Sunday
7:55 The C in LPCAMM2 stands for compression, not consumption.
I love that the Tough pro fan box is smashed at the top, cause its tough and it can take it.
Great video brother, keep up the good work!
When he was talking about Panther Lake, I thought I was hearing Cancer Lake.
I wasn't going to buy Intel in my next upgrade, but Intel's new naming scheme definitely guarantees I will go Zen 5, if their insistence on adopting the bulldozer no-hyper-threading and lots of little cores philosophy wasn't a "we're having trouble shrinking our process node" kind of red flag already.
Thanks for the news Paul! Some potentially cool stuff (grain of salt).
The 80 series makes the most sense to release first as they can sell the most cut down die that matches the 4090 for the biggest margins. What would have been a 70 series die in the past, but for current 90 series price tag
at 00:41 should have used overground pool w arrow stuck leaking :D
thAInk you Paul !
If HT is gone, does that mean they can now move a whole thread easily if something stalls? Do the pipelines have junctions to throw the thread to other pipes if stalled? Or are they saying modern software doesn't cause the stalls that were common that necessitated the HT solution?
It's just so that they can sell you the exact same CPU but with HT enabled, for the next "generation".
don't call me shirley
roger, roger
ok, donn
Ok... Shirley 😏
No, I’ve been nervous lots of times.
It's big building with patients but that's not important right now
I find LPCAMM interesting because it allows for previously non socketable memory to be socketable. LPDDR is different from SO-DIMM and is the kind of memory that previously was only possible to be soldered directly to the board.
CAMM and CAMM2 would be the one they're trying to replace SO-DIMMs with.
Paul, the efficient tech news thespian. Love this segment of Paul's hardware
MFG's will need to start replacing cases for high-end pc's with dorm refrigerators.
if only intel revives the extreme series cpu product line up....
Does anybody know what the advantage might be for removing hyperthreading from the processor?
thanks for kore fine work lad, and i love your approach and style the world needs more of this , cheers lad keep them coming .
I'm generally looking forward to get a new gpu after skipping the 40 series but seeing 250-600W ... what the hell nvidia, starting at 250W?
This rumor came up last gen. Probably engineering samples being pushed. With Amd not challenging the top end, they shouldn't push into higher watts. Who knows though.
Because they are not designing FE cooler for their low end card (like 4060).
Because this isn't the card wattage. This is the cooling capacity of the FE model. Nvidia overengineer their FE cards. The 4090's shroud is rated for 600W.
ikr! it should END at 250w
5080 350W. 5090 600W.
How expensive do we think the 5000 series cards are gonna be? 3080 RRP seems so long ago 😢
Scalpers tend to dictate prices at launch. Then again Nvidia were the scalpers for 4000 series, so I'd bet dollars to donuts that 5080 will be at least 1300USD.
Get that RTX 3090 for cheap ?
Depends if the scalpers will get them or if the demand will be high.
I still think we will eventually see CAMM sockets directly on CPU packages at some point. Especially now that glass CPU substrates are arriving.
Intel launches new "K"-series CPUs - everyone skips this part...
Your news are put together with so much love and the pictures are top notch! Thanks to you both.
Because that in itself isn't news? What did you think they were going to do, launch new CPUs without K models? THAT would be a bigger announcement.
Will the 5090 come with a fire extinguisher accessory option?
Inb4 the rtx5080 is $1500 MSRP and the rtx5090 is $2000 MSRP
= Nvidia gets no money at least from me. That's a pretty large increase, so not likely to be the price.
The midsummer screen shot and the coneheads clips. This is why I watch this channel
Listening to Paul while I try to salvage my brother in laws pc after he spilled coffee into it was a great way to start my Sunday. Thank you Paul!
According to MLiD at least the 5080 launch is because the 5090 will be restricted from being sold in China so NVidia will want to launch their "sanctions buster" GPU first.
Which means gamers in the US won’t see 5080 on shelves until 2025 if at all.😅
@@tringuyen7519 Yes. Paper launch only in US.
Call me out if we're wrong, but I don't think the 5080 will be sent anywhere in large quantities, not named China, for the first couple of months.
@@frommatorav1 in Europe the are gona rot 😂 to expensive if usa sell them for 999 here 1300 euro 😢 or more
@@frommatorav1 in Europe the are gona rot 😂 to expensive if usa sell them for 999 here 1300 euro 😢 or more
@Oliver-sn4be Even when the 5080 is available for me to get, I won't be buying it anyway. I was just telling the stock situation as it's been reported. I'm interested in the higher end gpu cards for technology sake but don't need one.
Saving up for a new build this year, waiting to see how the CORE Ultra stack up against the 1400 series
A bit lost on the need for it this year. I mean, what games is there to sell it with. We had like Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk games that helped sell cards, but what is there this year? Stalker 2 maybe?
Normally I go with each new release, but even I am struggling to see the need for 4090 owners to jump again so soon, even more so if there is no games that really need the 5090.
4070 Super just arrived, but if a 5070/80 is coming in 3-6 months, then it's going back. Currently Rx 470
Hello Paul, I always liked to use AMD Asus in my first PCs and I want to try Intel for, they are just as simple as configuring your system.
“Aggressive design”…
What does that even mean?
It punches you in the face as you pull it out of the box lol
"Like I did in college"...yep 😟...totally just in college 😨...definitely didn't use a box fan as side panel in my 30s😰...nope!
P.S. Sorry if any Gen Zers felt attacked with all my ellipses usage 👍
Why the hell is Core ultra 9 285K,Core ultra 7 265k & Core ultra 5 245K It doesn't make any sense? Shouldn't they be 295K,275K & 255K?
C'mon, you're being logical. This is Intel. It's not like AMD and Microsoft are known for good naming schemes, either. I thought the same exact thing, btw.
and how many connectors going to be melting with those ?
............................and here comes the 5080 at $2000 with a massive 8gb vRAM LOL
Soul patches and long side burns remind me of the 90's grunge rock scene and not 2024 post COVID-19.
i can't wait for the ROG Ally Zero, ROG Ally ZX, ROG Ally Legends, ROG Ally Battle Network, & ROG Ally StarForce
.... we don't talk about the ROG Ally X-Over
And the adult version with improved haptics... The ROG Ally XXX
I heard you say phoronix is developing a driver, rather they reported on intel developing the pcie6 driver
7:57 I thought LP-CAMM stands for Low Profile - Compression Attached Memory Module ?
No, seems to be "low-power" in fact.
perfect intro. This is anew high others should dare to surpass
I guess now you HAVE to revive Arctic Panther with Panther Lake CPU, whenever they actually come out.
Bro gets a like and a sub for the Current Affair throwback.
I would say in some regards it makes sense for Intel to do a new naming scheme given it is now tile based design for the new naming where it was monolithic before.
Thereby no need to drop the i and have Ultra for some products while not for others.
My best guess for AMD AI naming is they have 45+ TFLOPs (maybe some other measurement) NPUs which seems to be the requirement for Windows copilot to run on device, which is what the new Snapdragon has. But otherwise I would think it is still the same design by AMD and not new design like Intel’s tiles.
Then I do wonder if any of the current lineup with NPUs will even be useful when they dont seem to be powerful enough for copilot thereby a waste for people to have bought it specifically for such things (like Ryzen 8000 series basically just bit more powerful NPUs compared to 7000).
$1399 for 5080 FE that you won’t be able to get at that price and $1599 for other models that still will sell through… mark my words
I don’t even consider new gpus anymore, im more interested in the used market, i’l wait for a new gpu to be released so i can buy the previous gen at what it should’ve costed, my current rtx 3090 costed me 500 euros
supply and demand will be marked up.
You're thinking way too small. 1899 minimum for the 5080 and then it goes up from there.
@@Rubysh88yeah gpu’s are basically the new car. Most people don’t consider new vehicles either.
@@Rubysh88 I do just the opposite. Buy the new card at launch, sell for 3/4 the price I paid before the next cards launch. Timing is key of course, that and keeping your card and it's packaging in mint condition.
Trying to remain positive here, but at least none of the CPU & GPU naming conventions are getting anywhere near the monstrosities of monitor model names.
How can you not release summer when all students off school… buy buy buy. 😂
Hope everyone that complained about display port 1.4 will get a new monitor. There’s only 2 to chose from that I’m aware of
Perfect! I'll finally be able to buy an RTX 4080 at a reasonable price when the 5080 and 5090 drop.
Not really they gona be overpriced for 8 to 9 months
What would be a decent price?
@@Deathwish699 I can wait 8-9 months. I have a 3080 now.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 That all depends upon your own purchasing habits. For me personally, more that $600-$700 USD for a graphics card is too much.
Your delusional new 4080s will still be roughly the same price and second hand 4080s by people wanting to upgrade to the new 5000 series will still price them high.Your better off just getting a new 5000 series as it will have a longer lifespan and better performance.
I'm waiting for Intel's ErrorLake Ultra 666 CPU before I buy. (Not a typo)
I wonder if Intel is going to rush through Battlemage to get to Celestial's architecture improvements. I would imagine Celetial will have improvements based on what programmmers and developers have observed on Alchemist. So instead of spending toomuch time on the intermediate Battlemage, effort may be focusing more on Celestial with mobile being the initial test rollout.
Architecture improvements don't really work like that. CUDA cores are an insanely mature all-purpose parallel compute technology that is extremely well optimised from a software and hardware perspective. Tensor Cores are much more specialised FP32 linear algebra machines. It's been finely balanced in the consumer market but H100s are literally just tensor cores.
Intel's XE cores are literally just half 256 bit ALUs and half 1024 bit ALUs. It will get better in the next gen but the real breakthroughs are 2 to 3 generations away.
Whilst not as chaotic but an appropriate or equivalent example is infinity fabric. At first it was more of a hand brake on performance but in the fourth gen 7000 series - it's what is really making the difference. XE cores will likely experience a similar trajectory.
39 seconds ago is insane
Hi Paul and Joe
Oh good I'm not the only one who ran my PC with the side panel off and a fan pointed at it in college. 😂
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I feel me getting a "new" Master RTX4080 in a couple of years.
I bet AMD rAIzen CPUs could squeeze out a lot more performance for Wine on Linux if given enough time.
I would have been interested in the number of shaders of a RTX 5080. As I do have the 3080 as a water cooled eGPU with 8000 cores, it is great for AI models.
It would make sense if the 80 tier launched before the 90 tier. Ever since GTX was a thing the 80 tier has always been their first one to launch, even if a 90 tier was announced at the same time, the 80 tier would be available first. Good example is the 600 series, the GTX 690 was released after the 680 despite being announced in the same event.
4:40 they are moving from HT to a new concept of "Rentable Units" that Jim Keller came up with when he was at Intel a few years back. The rumors a while back where they couldn't get it working for Arrow Lake so it won't have HT because it doesn't exist anymore and RU are fused off. Or it was a planned transition that they want to make up with E-Cores (that seems weird though)
it's not weird when e-cores are way faster than HT slight bump. HT is very much legacy at this point, for either brands. and HT/SMT introduces security concerns too. And right now, Intel thread director allocates in priority to P-cores, E-cores, then P-core HT. So basically, hyperthreading should already be minimally used today.
OMFG!!! the best intro yet Joe and Paul!!! Damm good job! OH great!! Look mom I have AI in my pants!!! LOL
So, you're saying to wait on buying a GPU?