Why does every car reviewer immediately jump in to a luxury sedan, drive it like a race car, then offer insight as to why it's not as good as they think it should be - as a race car? When I get into a luxury car, I want everything i touch, feel, and see to be the best. I want the audio to be perfect, and I do not want to hear anything from outside. Basically, for a review of a luxury car, I want you to be stuck in traffic for two hours, or go on a 6 hour road trip and when you are done, let me know how you feel. I could care less about "Sport +", traction control in turns, etc. IT IS A BIG LUXURY SEDAN.
Hey Bob, I agree with you 100% and mate for that reason I have made a comprehensive review driving around town in the 2020 Lexus LS500 and EVEN whilst sitting in the back and getting driven :D. I've also made comparison videos of the LS500 vs the 2020 BMW 740Li, and even against the Mercedes Benz S-Class. Mate I would love to have your feedback along with anyone that shares your opinion. PS, I ofcourse do a test of the handling and performance but that is not the decision maker of the car's capabilities. Look forward to hearing from you in the comments, Serg
@@SergCarReviews I agree 100%! I miss the old days when Rolls-Royce would not declare their engine's power output, but rather stated the power and performance is "adequate". That's luxury. The power, handling, and performance is "adequate". Now, let's talk about fit, finish, materials, construction quality, opulence, options, etc. - that's luxury and Lexus gets it.
i agree, i hate it when reviewers judge a Luxury car's ability to turn a corner like ANYONE is trying to rip a corner in a car like that. you put it beautifully
Exactly! Why do I want to be drag racing around in a luxury car? I would rather be riding in a car that’s out of touch with the outside world,unless I roll the window down.. I want a luxury car to drive like a luxury car..
I've owned two LS models and currently have an LS430. Fantastic car. MB, BMW, and Audi make wonderful cars but there is a reason they depreciate so badly. The cost of ownership. Take care of an LS and it will pretty much run forever and won't break the bank.
I loved the ride on my LS 430. Only had two issues, one with the headlight beams kinda falling down and the trunk struts. All my Lexi were memorable for comfort and reliability.
@@waverunner7063 No one is buying the Lexus LS either...and havent in several years You wonder how Mercedes sells 3X-4X more S classes and at a much higher price
Three days ago, I took a brand new 2023 LS500 F-Sport for a test drive. I own a LS400. I am "The Target Demographic" for this car. I arrived ready to buy...cash! The driver position was excellent. The 10-speed transmission was invisible. The interior had the fake vinyl imitation leather, which was disappointing. The infotainment was identical to my RX, but without the mouse and with a touchscreen, something that is ok after you've set it up, but how many times have I had to "pull off of the freeway" to find something which caused a dangerous driving condition with the amount of driver focus required. My beloved CD player, which has been a part of this car since the LS400, is sadly deleted, R.I.P. But what was the "make-or-break feature" for pulling out my checkbook for a cash purchase? The test drive was down & back on the dealership's street...a beautiful, city street. "The Ride" consisted of a constant stream of tiny bumps in this non-bumpy city street. I repeated this complete route as soon as I got back into my own car, which felt ZERO small bumps in the road. This is a deal-breaker! Why? Why is the ride so bad after Lexus changed the suspension starting in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and today in 2023? How can so many changes result in such a bad result? Is this why Lexus sells about 200 LS500 cars/month in the US? That's a paltry 2,400 units/yr in the US. Why not fix the real problem: the runflat tires (extremely low profile tires with super, super thick sidewalls, which give no compliance). If you can not sell this car to me, as I am the target demographic, then who are you selling to??? Please, Lexus, listen.
I agree, very reliable, finesse, comfort, enough power, superior engineering (just love that), smooth ride (THAT is an understatement :)), amazing long distance car. Everything I care about
You have figured wrongly. The.+2018 Lexus LS gets a 1 out of 5(they don't award "0" for reliability), a 46 out 100 and vert last place in the segment Consumer Reports. The Lexus halo car has fallen so far!
If it’s truly unreliable as reported by CR. What are they reporting that’s faulty and why hasn’t there been an outpouring of complaints fromLs500 owners? No Lexus owner would be quiet if their LS was unreliable.
Lost my beloved ‘08 LS460 in an accident. Replaced w/ the ‘20 LS 500 F Sport in Atomic Silver. It gets better and better every time I get behind the wheel. I’m in love all over again, oh, and that spindle grille? It grows on you to the point where you’ll find it stunning!
Hi MotorMan, you should have also mentioned how the LS 500 would still be running like a new car when an S Class would be falling apart with mega service bills. All new cars are reliable when in warranty. The true test is when it's out of warranty and has done many miles. Love the show!
most people that buy these cars won’t be keeping them long term so the reliability doesn’t really matter. In every other category the Germans are better
this segment is tough... their customers are literally worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, so reliability is meaningless. they're all going to either lease a new one every 2-3 years, or theyll buy it and trade it in. the cost matters little. so they'll just buy a mercedes S class and call it a day. it's in the used market 10 years down the road that the two cars start to show their differences.
Hmm I think the buyers for this car are less wealthy than that and do care about longevity and reliability and great value for performance and engineering
@@captainkesh my girlfriend's father owns an s class and her mother owns a GLS. she was shocked when i told her these cars are known to be unreliable. they don't even burden themselves with knowing that info because they replace it everytime a new model comes out.
Haha that's too true! I've driven and reviewed all of them for months at a time. The BMW makes the boldest statement, The Mercedes close second and the Lexus by far the least! But it's just so good to be so understated and driving on a cloud while getting my back massaged for me 😂
I have an LS 460, but I wouldn't buy an LS 500. An LC 500, yes. Also, I'm not buying any car where the stupid fake engine noise can't be turned off, and turned off permanently. Why would you design a luxury car to have a quiet interior, and then pipe in noise? That makes no sense to me.
Just love your reviews and point of view. I agree, they should continue with THIS. Absolutely stunning car. The suspension is a work of art. My wish will just be one thing ; V8. Thanks again, great video, as always
The loss of the V8 would be easier to take if the engine was no longer in production. But to build the V8 only to deny it for the Lexus flagship - downright painful! When this current generation of the Lexus LS was announced with V6 power only, I could almost feel the excitement drain out of the room. Even today, that lack of powerplant choice still haunts the LS 500
@@veeman2939 the lc500 is beautiful but they we are talking 2 door vs 4 door. You have to get the awd v6 to get close to the off the line jump of a rwd v8 but it is still not that close to the v8 to me
I agree. He said " it replicates " the V8 which to me means " fake V8 ". This car is supposed to be a luxury car but the interior is cramped, the sitting low, it is trying to " replicate " a sports car not an elegant luxury flagship sedan. No wonder it is not selling. Might as well get a Porsche Panamerica.
I too own an LS430 (to second Gary S. Cochrane). And Motoman, you really hit the nail on the head with your account of the 2020 LS interior. I sat in one at the dealership last year while having my 430 serviced, and to quote Ferris Beuller, "It is SO choice...If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up." Pictures don't do it justice. You can feel the quality and craftsmanship oosing out from everywhere the moment you plant yourself in the driver's seat.
I have owned a 1994 LS400, loved it! A 2005 LS430, really loved it! And now I own a 2010 LS460 and cannot think of any other car to own! The LS460 has the older style grill which I really like. I really hate the new LS500 from a style perspective. The grill is hideous looking but everything else is great. I am ready to upgrade but can't get pass the looks. So for now it's a eleven year old car for me.
You can’t beat a Lexus. It has everything one could want and will still be on the road in 10 years while their German rivals will be spending most of their time in the repair shops. Just a fact.
The title is spot on unfortunately. Lexus is one of the most popular brands here, but the current LS didn't take off despite the love for previous LS generations. I can count on my hands how many current gen LS I saw since it came out a few years ago. The inferior CT6 & generic A8 are more common for some odd reason. Lexus even introduced a $25k cheaper LS350 (N/A 3.5 kicking 310hp) to no avail. Anyway I digress, I know I say it every time you get an LS on the shoe, but man oh man, I love the Kiriko Glass trim. Kudos to the design and materials teams on that one. Now if only we can get Seiko to do something similar for their Grand Seiko line. I agree regarding the interior, the new screen is not good. The exterior has grown on me a lot since it first came & I like the finish on the F-Sport wheels. As always, excellent work, M.
There’s a big reason why most don’t buy.. the cost of a fully loaded LS500 RWD is about $98k and AWD is $100+k. Many people can find many other alternatives to buy when we’re talking cost north of $100k.
Definitely a superior luxury sedan no one buys. Own many a Ls400,Ls430,and a LS460. Amazing vehicles. Going to be buying a new LS500 soon. Can't wait. Also own a LX. A Amazing SUV that no buys.
Their interior game is top notch, I wish this design finesse trickled down more to Toyota interior design. *EDIT: That tacked on screen did ruin the wonderful first gen design of this interior.
Honestly I’d say Lexus has had a good sense of identity since 2013 my LS460 looks completely different from the S550 or 750i from when it was new… now about the V8 thing I don’t think that should be a thing on the F-Sport.. simply put the F-sport line is a visual and handling upgrade not a power upgrade the only way you’d see a V8 in the LS500 is if the LS got a full blown F model which won’t happen all though it would definitely get attention and be an interesting entry to the enthusiast market
The pre-refresh headlights with the trapezoid projectors and the DRL with the multiple points made the car look so much more distinct. The new headlights look very generic and what I presume to be the cornering light looks weird and tacked onto the headlight as an afterthought.
@Meer San the Lexus LS is a lover of a car and has never ranked well against the competition since 2018. Most of the reviewing media hate the LS for what it has become, complacent Toyota.
@@normt430 Are you insinuating that Toyota products no longer are reliable? That accusation somewhat sticks to the LS, but independent data sources like Consumer Reports' owner survey show that most Toyotas still hold up extremely well.
A very under appreciated car, the peace of mind this thing provides makes the idea of owning a luxury sports car attractive to a person who can’t afford to have their car in the shop every 6 months.
It’s hardly the most luxurious car on the road, but the fact that it’s a luxury car made by Toyota with their reputation for reliability is the true allure of these cars. They’re certainly capable as luxury vehicles, but if you’re comparing this to German luxury or even a Bentley or Rolls, it’s not quite in that league. But again, if you’re sold on Asian imports and reliability is valued over comfort because you don’t have a bad back, they’re more than serviceable. I just wish some cars would go back to the plush velvet interiors from 30 years ago. Leather is so tired. Some people don’t want a sporty car with leather seats. They want actual luxury. Every luxury car now brags about its horsepower and its handling. That’s not what a luxury car is about. It’s about comfort, convenience and class.
Well said. I specifically agree about velour upholstery, and not just on luxury cars -- a 2000 CR-V had high-quality velour. It's worth noting that the quarter-million-dollar flagship Toyota Century's seats aren't leather, they're wool.
Quit complaining about price and buy a previously owned LS500. Lexus Certified warranty is better than a new car warranty. Save tens of thousands like I did. We love our 2020.
Very good review entwined with great perspectives and detail. Just by a stroke of luck I stumbled onto this channel while seeking a comparison the two cars as I noticed a difference in the 2021 front bumper intake which now has grill coverings flush rather than recessed , the latter being my preference . Another detail which you highlighted which I think might be one update too many is the infotainment screen, when I saw it in the 2021 car I was distracted by the touchscreen and yes it does look better recessed rather than just sitting there . I can't help but think Tesla influence has creeped into the design boardroom in that particular area only difference being at least the former is not the size of a dinner tray.
This is a tough one for me. I really love what Lexus does and my wife drives an RX. The problem is that the Japanese are almost conservative to a fault. The reliability is off the charts, but the competition from the Germans and even the Americans is just so much better that the engineers at Lexus really need to step it up. I know that the refresh of the IS was very well done overall especially with the IS500 F Sport Performance line. If they put a V8 back in the LS which I think they will and call it the F Sport Performance line, I think it will sell better.
One day I will buy one if these in the used market. I was blown away on the quality and design when I sat in one. My family members are buying up LX570s like crazy and I just don't get it. They pay $100,000 for a truck with the interior quality of a $50,000 car. Even the land cruiser feels better built than the LX. They laugh when I say buy a LS.
Don't silence your inner designer. That new screen is ghastly and does indeed look tacked on--a trait far too common in modern cars. The previous design of screen was SO much better, it was integrated into the flow of the dash as it should be. It was the first thing I thought upon seeing the photos last year.
Had a 2006 LS 430 for 10 years (loved it), and I've now had my 2018 LS 500 F Sport for 2 years, and the 500 blows the 430 off the map. It's not even close. Stop pining for the V-8. 290 HP vs 416 HP, and night and day my friends. BTW, the exhaust note on the 430 was nothing special either.
Yesterday at a local carmeet I get to see this baby (2018 mode year awd version) in person and a quick drive at night. I love the ambiance and the styling of this car and the mark lev audio is the best ever put out so far with all the LS models.
Forreal....it looks so out of place for a car that easily costs over $80k. And let’s be real, nobody is trying browse their Spotify playlist with their hands going 80mph. Should’ve just kept the recessed screen for continuity. 😞
It makes me happy I bought mine last year. The trackpad is pretty awful but I barely need to ever use it. I think the recessed non touchscreen in mine is much better looking.
After testing out all the big luxury sedans, for price to luxury ratio, Lexus has it hands down. On top of that, they are the most reliable. I had the choice of the LS or the S class mercedes, coming from an E63s, and I have to say, for the daily driver, I really enjoy the LS500. For a weekend roar will be the E63s
I completely agree these cars are beautiful in the flesh stunning even and no one talks about it it’s the most beautiful sedan granted the rear is a bit more simpler then I would like but 90% of this vehicle is bang on.
@@Toyota4Life yes, 46 out 100 in Consumer Reports rankings and and 1 out of 5 in reliability and 2 out of 5 in owner satisfaction. Couldn't give me this over a CT6!
@@normt430 Lexus LS has never been a 40 out a 100. Always has been a excellent Quality automobile centers introduction. Also this car is 10x better build quality then any Cadillac especially the CT6
I start to like Lexus a lot, fit and finish and design is amazing. I would consider Lexus over BMW, if only they would have options in Norway with normal gasoline engines. I say thanks but no thanks you to hybrids. I like sedans and i agree, hope they will keep making them 🙏🏼 i do not want an SUV
awesome video and take. I love my LS460 with the naturally aspirated V8. It's not too much technology and so forth for me the car is just about perfect. by the way EXCELLENT driving on those roads. that was awesome, just wish there was another camera to capture you on those roads. I will go ahead and give you a follow on facebook!
Totally agree on the screen critique. That new design is very un-Lexus. These remain great cars although twin turbo engine as opposed to NA v8 is unfortunate.
All cars are reliable for the first 6 years and 95% of people that buy/lease new luxury cars won’t keep them for more than that. Reliability is overrated in new cars
Mate you and me both!! I love the IS and been driving them for a couple years (and ofcourse reviewed them as well) and I'm so annoyed Aus isn't getting it. Much needed to compete with every Tom, Dick and Harry who owns a C63!
For the price of that LS500, I can buy 4 Honda Civic 6MT Sedan, which will do a better job in racetrack conditions and comfortably haul 4 people for long distance trips. LS500 is a branding statement for the industry internals who are disconnected from real day-to-day driving. Better use of cash is to have a premium ES350 AWD Hybrid that looks and feel like an LS500....the old farts who are buying it wont know the difference or have brains too rotted to make the switch from the LS460.
@@kristians2704 CR puts the LS in last place in the lux sedan segment and only scores it a 46 out of 100, for one of the worst scores in modern automobiles!
You're right, it's better.the definition of quality is the ability of a product to last the test of time which equals only Lexus.When will you german fanboys learn that cars from europe and america are crap, you only paying for the badge.If it's not made in Japan, it's not made at all...
@@kovilanmoodley7464 when will these lexus fanboys understand that reliability doesn’t matter to 95% of people who buy/lease new luxury cars since almost nobody keep them for 3-6 years. There is a reason why no car reviewer talks about reliability. If you compare features, tech, performance, styling then Lexus almost always fall behind.
My only gripe with the car is that it comes with run flats. I personally hate run flat tires with a passion. For that amount of money, put some nice quiet touring tires on it and a spare tire in the trunk. I don't want to hear the excuse that they are saving weight by not giving you a spare. It's an almost 5k lb car. Who cares. Throw it in there. I digress.
Don't stop making sedans in favor of (overweight, poorer driving, uglier, less efficient...except maybe for interior space) SUVs". I added a few of my own words to your request, Motoman, but we are definitely on the same page!
He is not kidding on the fact this car is not selling. Cars that way more expensive...the Mercedes S class out sell this Lexus 4X and the Mercedes is a design that is several years older than the Lexus
The Lexus LS is the best full size luxury sedan as far as build quality and reliability but I never found it aesthetically appealing. I’ve owned 3 Lexus vehicles and I never aspired to one day drive the flagship. MB, Audi, BMW are nicer looking but are a disaster to own past initial warranty. I keep coming back to Lexus because they’re solid reliable but I wish they were a little more sexy. 🤷🏻♂️
I wanted it . But it was just out of reach in price . I had to settle for the last GS F sport Blackline. It’s not the LS f sport . So let’s just say I got the Newest ,outdated car on the market. But I love it and Lexus. Maybe one day this one. Whoohoo
I love Lexus and have had several. My current one is a 2015 LS460 AWD. I absolutely love the vehicle and since experiencing the AWD in it now. I would not go back to a 2WD. I was interested in the LS500 and thought about upgrading. I even had one as a loaner once. Not impressed. Like many have noted, the V6 killed it for me. In a vehicle like this, I need the smooth push of the V8. I think they really hurt this vehicle with the V6 and will not buy one again until there is a V8 option again. Maybe that won't happen. One other thing I wish Lexus would do in the LS is bring out a super powerful version. Like the options of Mercedes and BMW with their M series and AMG with that power. Put it in the F Sport. I hope they update the LS or I may have to go with another manufacturer,
A stunning vehicle in person. I love the fact that there aren't many on the road. Understated luxury.
Why does every car reviewer immediately jump in to a luxury sedan, drive it like a race car, then offer insight as to why it's not as good as they think it should be - as a race car? When I get into a luxury car, I want everything i touch, feel, and see to be the best. I want the audio to be perfect, and I do not want to hear anything from outside. Basically, for a review of a luxury car, I want you to be stuck in traffic for two hours, or go on a 6 hour road trip and when you are done, let me know how you feel. I could care less about "Sport +", traction control in turns, etc. IT IS A BIG LUXURY SEDAN.
Hey Bob, I agree with you 100% and mate for that reason I have made a comprehensive review driving around town in the 2020 Lexus LS500 and EVEN whilst sitting in the back and getting driven :D. I've also made comparison videos of the LS500 vs the 2020 BMW 740Li, and even against the Mercedes Benz S-Class. Mate I would love to have your feedback along with anyone that shares your opinion. PS, I ofcourse do a test of the handling and performance but that is not the decision maker of the car's capabilities. Look forward to hearing from you in the comments, Serg
@@SergCarReviews I agree 100%! I miss the old days when Rolls-Royce would not declare their engine's power output, but rather stated the power and performance is "adequate". That's luxury. The power, handling, and performance is "adequate". Now, let's talk about fit, finish, materials, construction quality, opulence, options, etc. - that's luxury and Lexus gets it.
i agree, i hate it when reviewers judge a Luxury car's ability to turn a corner like ANYONE is trying to rip a corner in a car like that. you put it beautifully
You are 100% correct - that is why I bought a 2015 LS 600hL for the simple fact of cursing - comfortably.
Exactly! Why do I want to be drag racing around in a luxury car? I would rather be riding in a car that’s out of touch with the outside world,unless I roll the window down.. I want a luxury car to drive like a luxury car..
I agree 100%, Lexus' attention to detail and the fit-and-finish are second to none. Nice review!
The most underated car in history
I've owned two LS models and currently have an LS430. Fantastic car. MB, BMW, and Audi make wonderful cars but there is a reason they depreciate so badly. The cost of ownership. Take care of an LS and it will pretty much run forever and won't break the bank.
I envy you! Enjoy your awesome car dude!
No one buys the A8.
I loved the ride on my LS 430. Only had two issues, one with the headlight beams kinda falling down and the trunk struts. All my Lexi were memorable for comfort and reliability.
@@waverunner7063 No one is buying the Lexus LS either...and havent in several years
You wonder how Mercedes sells 3X-4X more S classes and at a much higher price
What year is your LS 430?
I love my 2014 lexus LS460L with 53k mi. When I win the lottery I will get an LC 500 convertible. Love the v-8.
why you need to win the lottery, your ls was not cheap. That means you can earn that 60-70k for a used lc500
Three days ago, I took a brand new 2023 LS500 F-Sport for a test drive. I own a LS400. I am "The Target Demographic" for this car. I arrived ready to buy...cash! The driver position was excellent. The 10-speed transmission was invisible. The interior had the fake vinyl imitation leather, which was disappointing. The infotainment was identical to my RX, but without the mouse and with a touchscreen, something that is ok after you've set it up, but how many times have I had to "pull off of the freeway" to find something which caused a dangerous driving condition with the amount of driver focus required. My beloved CD player, which has been a part of this car since the LS400, is sadly deleted, R.I.P. But what was the "make-or-break feature" for pulling out my checkbook for a cash purchase? The test drive was down & back on the dealership's street...a beautiful, city street. "The Ride" consisted of a constant stream of tiny bumps in this non-bumpy city street. I repeated this complete route as soon as I got back into my own car, which felt ZERO small bumps in the road. This is a deal-breaker! Why? Why is the ride so bad after Lexus changed the suspension starting in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and today in 2023? How can so many changes result in such a bad result? Is this why Lexus sells about 200 LS500 cars/month in the US? That's a paltry 2,400 units/yr in the US. Why not fix the real problem: the runflat tires (extremely low profile tires with super, super thick sidewalls, which give no compliance). If you can not sell this car to me, as I am the target demographic, then who are you selling to??? Please, Lexus, listen.
I agree, very reliable, finesse, comfort, enough power, superior engineering (just love that), smooth ride (THAT is an understatement :)), amazing long distance car. Everything I care about
You have figured wrongly. The.+2018 Lexus LS gets a 1 out of 5(they don't award "0" for reliability), a 46 out 100 and vert last place in the segment Consumer Reports. The Lexus halo car has fallen so far!
@@normt430 CR are apparently being paid to say nonsense like you are
@@dinobot_maximize CR is not-profit. They survey their subscribers who value reliability and value. This is neither.
If it’s truly unreliable as reported by CR. What are they reporting that’s faulty and why hasn’t there been an outpouring of complaints fromLs500 owners? No Lexus owner would be quiet if their LS was unreliable.
@@normt430 consumer reports 😆🤤🤤🤤🤤😆🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤😆🤤🤤 .... Ok
This lexus is a stunningly beautiful car particularly in that red colour.
I have a 2013 GS 350 AWD in "Riviera Red" with similar dark chrome wheels (Lexus calls them "Super Chrome"). It's a great color combination.
Lost my beloved ‘08 LS460 in an accident. Replaced w/ the ‘20 LS 500 F Sport in Atomic Silver. It gets better and better every time I get behind the wheel. I’m in love all over again, oh, and that spindle grille? It grows on you to the point where you’ll find it stunning!
Hi MotorMan, you should have also mentioned how the LS 500 would still be running like a new car when an S Class would be falling apart with mega service bills. All new cars are reliable when in warranty. The true test is when it's out of warranty and has done many miles. Love the show!
most people that buy these cars won’t be keeping them long term so the reliability doesn’t really matter. In every other category the Germans are better
this segment is tough... their customers are literally worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, so reliability is meaningless. they're all going to either lease a new one every 2-3 years, or theyll buy it and trade it in. the cost matters little. so they'll just buy a mercedes S class and call it a day. it's in the used market 10 years down the road that the two cars start to show their differences.
Very well put
Hmm I think the buyers for this car are less wealthy than that and do care about longevity and reliability and great value for performance and engineering
@@captainkesh my girlfriend's father owns an s class and her mother owns a GLS. she was shocked when i told her these cars are known to be unreliable. they don't even burden themselves with knowing that info because they replace it everytime a new model comes out.
@@wl2486 exactly that's how Merc drivers roll.
@@wl2486 that's kind of what I mean about Lexus drivers. There tend to be wealthy and practical but not crazy wealthy where money is of zero concern.
LEXUS LS 👌🏻 IT´S BEST LUXURY SEDAN 😎👍🏻
Love the LS. I love the S-Class too, but nowadays driving an S makes the driver look like a chauffeur! Thanks for the video Motoman!
Haha that's too true! I've driven and reviewed all of them for months at a time. The BMW makes the boldest statement, The Mercedes close second and the Lexus by far the least! But it's just so good to be so understated and driving on a cloud while getting my back massaged for me 😂
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Lol
I have an LS 460, but I wouldn't buy an LS 500. An LC 500, yes. Also, I'm not buying any car where the stupid fake engine noise can't be turned off, and turned off permanently. Why would you design a luxury car to have a quiet interior, and then pipe in noise? That makes no sense to me.
Easy fix. Just keep it in comfort or normal mode and you won’t hear the piped in engine noise.
Just love your reviews and point of view. I agree, they should continue with THIS. Absolutely stunning car. The suspension is a work of art. My wish will just be one thing ; V8. Thanks again, great video, as always
The loss of the V8 would be easier to take if the engine was no longer in production. But to build the V8 only to deny it for the Lexus flagship - downright painful! When this current generation of the Lexus LS was announced with V6 power only, I could almost feel the excitement drain out of the room. Even today, that lack of powerplant choice still haunts the LS 500
lexus wants you to upgrade to the LC 500 if you want the v8...
@@veeman2939 the lc500 is beautiful but they we are talking 2 door vs 4 door. You have to get the awd v6 to get close to the off the line jump of a rwd v8 but it is still not that close to the v8 to me
I agree. He said " it replicates " the V8 which to me means " fake V8 ". This car is supposed to be a luxury car but the interior is cramped, the sitting low, it is trying to " replicate " a sports car not an elegant luxury flagship sedan. No wonder it is not selling. Might as well get a Porsche Panamerica.
The twin turbo v6 performs like a v8, if not better
@@veeman2939 , to me... _downsize_ is *not* an upgrade
Definitely one of the best car-brands out there!
Love this car. There aren't many around, so when you see one it stands out.
Love the technical aspect of your reviews.👍👍
I too own an LS430 (to second Gary S. Cochrane). And Motoman, you really hit the nail on the head with your account of the 2020 LS interior. I sat in one at the dealership last year while having my 430 serviced, and to quote Ferris Beuller, "It is SO choice...If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up." Pictures don't do it justice. You can feel the quality and craftsmanship oosing out from everywhere the moment you plant yourself in the driver's seat.
What year is your LS 430?
I have owned a 1994 LS400, loved it! A 2005 LS430, really loved it! And now I own a 2010 LS460 and cannot think of any other car to own! The LS460 has the older style grill which I really like. I really hate the new LS500 from a style perspective. The grill is hideous looking but everything else is great. I am ready to upgrade but can't get pass the looks. So for now it's a eleven year old car for me.
You can’t beat a Lexus. It has everything one could want and will still be on the road in 10 years while their German rivals will be spending most of their time in the repair shops. Just a fact.
Germans are still better in every category aside from reliability
That twin turbo engine needs to find its way into a smaller lexus product.
Not a smaller one. Just a much lighter one. Like a thousand pounds less
That's the engine they should have put in the Toyota Supra not a crappy BMW V6
@@nathanlopez5667 you mean inline 6
The title is spot on unfortunately. Lexus is one of the most popular brands here, but the current LS didn't take off despite the love for previous LS generations. I can count on my hands how many current gen LS I saw since it came out a few years ago. The inferior CT6 & generic A8 are more common for some odd reason. Lexus even introduced a $25k cheaper LS350 (N/A 3.5 kicking 310hp) to no avail.
Anyway I digress, I know I say it every time you get an LS on the shoe, but man oh man, I love the Kiriko Glass trim. Kudos to the design and materials teams on that one. Now if only we can get Seiko to do something similar for their Grand Seiko line.
I agree regarding the interior, the new screen is not good.
The exterior has grown on me a lot since it first came & I like the finish on the F-Sport wheels.
As always, excellent work, M.
There’s a big reason why most don’t buy.. the cost of a fully loaded LS500 RWD is about $98k and AWD is $100+k. Many people can find many other alternatives to buy when we’re talking cost north of $100k.
Cant wait til the LSF with 660hp comes out. LS is an amazing vehicle.
Mr Moto Man: you do a great job with these reviews....love your stuff and sense of humor.
Thank you, Joe!
Definitely a superior luxury sedan no one buys. Own many a Ls400,Ls430,and a LS460. Amazing vehicles. Going to be buying a new LS500 soon. Can't wait. Also own a LX. A Amazing SUV that no buys.
Beauty !
Their interior game is top notch, I wish this design finesse trickled down more to Toyota interior design.
*EDIT: That tacked on screen did ruin the wonderful first gen design of this interior.
The new Toyota Mirai rides on the same platform as the LS just a shorter wheelbase version.
The interior doesn't make the vehicle. Especially in thr luxury segment where it places last with a 46 out of 100 in CR ratings and rankings.
Beautiful
Fun, Fast n Reliable
Work of Art inside and out! Great review as always! 👍
Honestly I’d say Lexus has had a good sense of identity since 2013 my LS460 looks completely different from the S550 or 750i from when it was new… now about the V8 thing I don’t think that should be a thing on the F-Sport.. simply put the F-sport line is a visual and handling upgrade not a power upgrade the only way you’d see a V8 in the LS500 is if the LS got a full blown F model which won’t happen all though it would definitely get attention and be an interesting entry to the enthusiast market
Bought a 2019 LS500 AWD w/lux package with 28k miles and couldn’t be happier 🤤 Kids love it when I take them to school. My little executives.
The old headlights were so beautiful 🥰 I miss them 😢
I can only encourage Lexus to keep up the good work. There's real integrity there. $98 grand, though ... ?
The pre-refresh headlights with the trapezoid projectors and the DRL with the multiple points made the car look so much more distinct. The new headlights look very generic and what I presume to be the cornering light looks weird and tacked onto the headlight as an afterthought.
For someone who actually notices a lighting tweak is sad for this last place in segment and Consumer Reports rating of 46 out of 100.
@Meer San the Lexus LS is a lover of a car and has never ranked well against the competition since 2018. Most of the reviewing media hate the LS for what it has become, complacent Toyota.
@@normt430 is a walking consumer report lmao
@@WatchKek oh, but Toyota reliability...notice that mantra is mentioned no more?
@@normt430 Are you insinuating that Toyota products no longer are reliable? That accusation somewhat sticks to the LS, but independent data sources like Consumer Reports' owner survey show that most Toyotas still hold up extremely well.
A very under appreciated car, the peace of mind this thing provides makes the idea of owning a luxury sports car attractive to a person who can’t afford to have their car in the shop every 6 months.
The LS is an exceptional vehicle. But I’m a V8 guy .
Those that compares Acura to Lexus its like comparing a slice of pie to the whole pie, Lexus is on another level!
It’s hardly the most luxurious car on the road, but the fact that it’s a luxury car made by Toyota with their reputation for reliability is the true allure of these cars. They’re certainly capable as luxury vehicles, but if you’re comparing this to German luxury or even a Bentley or Rolls, it’s not quite in that league. But again, if you’re sold on Asian imports and reliability is valued over comfort because you don’t have a bad back, they’re more than serviceable. I just wish some cars would go back to the plush velvet interiors from 30 years ago. Leather is so tired. Some people don’t want a sporty car with leather seats. They want actual luxury. Every luxury car now brags about its horsepower and its handling. That’s not what a luxury car is about. It’s about comfort, convenience and class.
Well said. I specifically agree about velour upholstery, and not just on luxury cars -- a 2000 CR-V had high-quality velour. It's worth noting that the quarter-million-dollar flagship Toyota Century's seats aren't leather, they're wool.
Nice Car I Love Lexus
the reason is right there, it looks exactly the same as the ES
The rear headroom is already not great. If they lowered the greenhouse they might need to do a bit of finagling.
I heard that it may get a twin turbo v8 sooo that’ll be really exciting
Quit complaining about price and buy a previously owned LS500. Lexus Certified warranty is better than a new car warranty. Save tens of thousands like I did. We love our 2020.
Beautiful car. Can’t wait to pick one up in 5-10 years when it depreciates 😎
lol yup by that time my gs will go to my daughter
lol yup by that time my gs will go to my daughter
Very good review entwined with great perspectives and detail. Just by a stroke of luck I stumbled onto this channel while seeking a comparison the two cars as I noticed a difference in the 2021 front bumper intake which now has grill coverings flush rather than recessed , the latter being my preference . Another detail which you highlighted which I think might be one update too many is the infotainment screen, when I saw it in the 2021 car I was distracted by the touchscreen and yes it does look better recessed rather than just sitting there . I can't help but think Tesla influence has creeped into the design boardroom in that particular area only difference being at least the former is not the size of a dinner tray.
Very disappointed to see traditional OEMs adopting for a moving car an inherently flawed UX design. Why is it inherently flawed? Safety.
You’re a master at this car review thing. Keep it up Motoman!
Thank you, Ced!
hey MotoMan just wait until you drive the 2022 Lexus IS500 Featuring 472 horsepower and 395 lb-ft of torque from its naturally aspirated 5.0L V8
...always next.year...
@@normt430 it comes out this fall, so not not next year...
@@2AbleFly yes, 2022.
This is a tough one for me. I really love what Lexus does and my wife drives an RX. The problem is that the Japanese are almost conservative to a fault. The reliability is off the charts, but the competition from the Germans and even the Americans is just so much better that the engineers at Lexus really need to step it up. I know that the refresh of the IS was very well done overall especially with the IS500 F Sport Performance line. If they put a V8 back in the LS which I think they will and call it the F Sport Performance line, I think it will sell better.
It's easy to be reliable when you don't take risks. Germans do, Japanese don't.
One day I will buy one if these in the used market. I was blown away on the quality and design when I sat in one. My family members are buying up LX570s like crazy and I just don't get it. They pay $100,000 for a truck with the interior quality of a $50,000 car. Even the land cruiser feels better built than the LX. They laugh when I say buy a LS.
Don't silence your inner designer. That new screen is ghastly and does indeed look tacked on--a trait far too common in modern cars. The previous design of screen was SO much better, it was integrated into the flow of the dash as it should be. It was the first thing I thought upon seeing the photos last year.
Had a 2006 LS 430 for 10 years (loved it), and I've now had my 2018 LS 500 F Sport for 2 years, and the 500 blows the 430 off the map. It's not even close. Stop pining for the V-8.
290 HP vs 416 HP, and night and day my friends. BTW, the exhaust note on the 430 was nothing special either.
Instead of lowering the back end (which would hurt interior room), I would rather make the tail longer
Makes me want to run to the dealership and have a look-see. Nice review.
They should make the executive package avaible with this and swap the v6 for the v8
This lexus will outlast any s class and 7 series.
BMWs nowadays can hardly last past the warranty My Lexus was trouble free
while that is true, does that matter for the first owner? Probably no.
Yesterday at a local carmeet I get to see this baby (2018 mode year awd version) in person and a quick drive at night. I love the ambiance and the styling of this car and the mark lev audio is the best ever put out so far with all the LS models.
Thank you for pointing out Lexus "tacked on" the touch screen. . . Ruined the design if the dash.
Forreal....it looks so out of place for a car that easily costs over $80k. And let’s be real, nobody is trying browse their Spotify playlist with their hands going 80mph. Should’ve just kept the recessed screen for continuity. 😞
It makes me happy I bought mine last year. The trackpad is pretty awful but I barely need to ever use it. I think the recessed non touchscreen in mine is much better looking.
After testing out all the big luxury sedans, for price to luxury ratio, Lexus has it hands down. On top of that, they are the most reliable. I had the choice of the LS or the S class mercedes, coming from an E63s, and I have to say, for the daily driver, I really enjoy the LS500. For a weekend roar will be the E63s
The active stabilizer bars should be standard on all LS trims.
I completely agree these cars are beautiful in the flesh stunning even and no one talks about it it’s the most beautiful sedan granted the rear is a bit more simpler then I would like but 90% of this vehicle is bang on.
But a 40% out of 100 is a fail and that is what Consumer Reports gives it.
@@normt430 think about that... Does that make sense to you ?
@@Toyota4Life yes, 46 out 100 in Consumer Reports rankings and and 1 out of 5 in reliability and 2 out of 5 in owner satisfaction. Couldn't give me this over a CT6!
@@normt430 Lexus LS has never been a 40 out a 100. Always has been a excellent Quality automobile centers introduction. Also this car is 10x better build quality then any Cadillac especially the CT6
@@Toyota4Life nah, a big miss for the halo model today.
www.motorbiscuit.com/the-lexus-ls-might-not-be-as-reliable-as-you-would-think/
I'm sure there's plenty of buyers out there
I start to like Lexus a lot, fit and finish and design is amazing. I would consider Lexus over BMW, if only they would have options in Norway with normal gasoline engines. I say thanks but no thanks you to hybrids. I like sedans and i agree, hope they will keep making them 🙏🏼 i do not want an SUV
If you're curios, I actually reviewed the LS500 vs the new 740Li. Feel free to watch 😃
awesome video and take. I love my LS460 with the naturally aspirated V8. It's not too much technology and so forth for me the car is just about perfect. by the way EXCELLENT driving on those roads. that was awesome, just wish there was another camera to capture you on those roads. I will go ahead and give you a follow on facebook!
Totally agree on the screen critique. That new design is very un-Lexus.
These remain great cars although twin turbo engine as opposed to NA v8 is unfortunate.
Lexus makes you tired of not being broken. BMW makes you learn something about cars because you’ll be at service centers most frequently!
All cars are reliable for the first 6 years and 95% of people that buy/lease new luxury cars won’t keep them for more than that. Reliability is overrated in new cars
I wish the upcoming IS500 would come to Australia, and with a manual. Would have been my next car :(
Mate you and me both!! I love the IS and been driving them for a couple years (and ofcourse reviewed them as well) and I'm so annoyed Aus isn't getting it. Much needed to compete with every Tom, Dick and Harry who owns a C63!
Getting a 2019 f sport
For the price of that LS500, I can buy 4 Honda Civic 6MT Sedan, which will do a better job in racetrack conditions and comfortably haul 4 people for long distance trips. LS500 is a branding statement for the industry internals who are disconnected from real day-to-day driving. Better use of cash is to have a premium ES350 AWD Hybrid that looks and feel like an LS500....the old farts who are buying it wont know the difference or have brains too rotted to make the switch from the LS460.
LS500 is OverPriced
I never see these in Houston. When I do it just looks so big
Facts , you'll only see is250s all day everyday
The 2020 grill was MUCH BETTER LOOKING than the 2021. The vertical grill was stunning!
It's a car driven by rich geriatrics.
much prefer the headlights on the 2020
This car still isn’t as good as the S class, 7 series and A8
Yeah, Consumer Reports ranks everyone else much higher and gives Lexus LS the lowest rating.
@@normt430 who cares about consumer reports? I’m not talking about reliability btw
@@kristians2704 CR puts the LS in last place in the lux sedan segment and only scores it a 46 out of 100, for one of the worst scores in modern automobiles!
You're right, it's better.the definition of quality is the ability of a product to last the test of time which equals only Lexus.When will you german fanboys learn that cars from europe and america are crap, you only paying for the badge.If it's not made in Japan, it's not made at all...
@@kovilanmoodley7464 when will these lexus fanboys understand that reliability doesn’t matter to 95% of people who buy/lease new luxury cars since almost nobody keep them for 3-6 years. There is a reason why no car reviewer talks about reliability. If you compare features, tech, performance, styling then Lexus almost always fall behind.
The only Lexus line up that personally I prefer it without the f sport trim.
My only gripe with the car is that it comes with run flats. I personally hate run flat tires with a passion. For that amount of money, put some nice quiet touring tires on it and a spare tire in the trunk. I don't want to hear the excuse that they are saving weight by not giving you a spare. It's an almost 5k lb car. Who cares. Throw it in there. I digress.
Don't stop making sedans in favor of (overweight, poorer driving, uglier, less efficient...except maybe for interior space) SUVs". I added a few of my own words to your request, Motoman, but we are definitely on the same page!
Thank you for the keen legal work:)
Modern sedans are overweight too. How much do you think this full size Lexus weigh?
Nice car. Nice review.
He is not kidding on the fact this car is not selling. Cars that way more expensive...the Mercedes S class out sell this Lexus 4X and the Mercedes is a design that is several years older than the Lexus
My next car. 2022 LS 500
My 22 LS500 is amazing. It is truly the nicest car I have ever driven.
The Lexus LS is the best full size luxury sedan as far as build quality and reliability but I never found it aesthetically appealing. I’ve owned 3 Lexus vehicles and I never aspired to one day drive the flagship.
MB, Audi, BMW are nicer looking but are a disaster to own past initial warranty.
I keep coming back to Lexus because they’re solid reliable but I wish they were a little more sexy. 🤷🏻♂️
That stupid tablet screen ruins the interior!
My 2009 LS makes 385 HP and I only use 20-30% of it in my daily drives. 30 more HP is no big deal
F sport performance with v8 please
I’m getting the 2022 in burgundy!!!
Really good deals to be had on used ones.
Used and one year old demos!
Brilliant take on the best luxury vehicle in its class.
Until they get rid of that stupid toothless grin on the front, this car won't even be on my list.
I have a Lexus LS 500 I love it hat there aren’t many around. I rides like a dream 😴
Why is the best ?? Best fuel consumption?? Best gearbox?? Lies
Is there a chance for Maserati Quattroporte review? :)
And older video is fine. Quattroporte havnt been updated for the last 15 years.
I wanted it . But it was just out of reach in price . I had to settle for the last GS F sport Blackline. It’s not the LS f sport . So let’s just say I got the Newest ,outdated car on the market. But I love it and Lexus. Maybe one day this one. Whoohoo
I love Lexus and have had several. My current one is a 2015 LS460 AWD. I absolutely love the vehicle and since experiencing the AWD in it now. I would not go back to a 2WD. I was interested in the LS500 and thought about upgrading. I even had one as a loaner once. Not impressed. Like many have noted, the V6 killed it for me. In a vehicle like this, I need the smooth push of the V8. I think they really hurt this vehicle with the V6 and will not buy one again until there is a V8 option again. Maybe that won't happen. One other thing I wish Lexus would do in the LS is bring out a super powerful version. Like the options of Mercedes and BMW with their M series and AMG with that power. Put it in the F Sport. I hope they update the LS or I may have to go with another manufacturer,
Why not turbo the old 4.6L V8 on the LS?
beautiful car
What does Mr. Notaras say every time he bids us farewell at the end of each episode?
I'll not butcher the spelling of the original German, but it translates to "See you later."