Great Video as per normal. Like to point out... During OP Telic (Main Invasion of Iraq) - Our S10 Haversack was packed with all them items... But please note we had to carry two spare canisters in the Haversack not one! Also was issued with Nerve Agent Pre-Treatment Sets (NAPS ) Tablets (which was 1 tablet every 8 hours for 3 months); Plus before deploying to Kuwait in readiness of the Invasion we had series of Anthrax jabs too... We would carry Three Auto Injection Combi Pens (As you mentioned in the video). Gloves were to be in sealed packs in our Haversack with spare pair in my daysacks along with 2 Full Complete NBC Suits & 2 pairs of NBC Boots, again all in complete sealed packs... This was in event of NBC Attack so our NBC equipment wasn’t already contaminated or ripped..! I spent countless hours in my S10, to the point it became personal to me... You had to carry your S10 everywhere you went regardless. One evening we had to sleep with them on as the threat of NBC attack was high as Iraqi Scuds seem to be endless... Not experience I wish to reply!
Very interesting, thanks for all the information on NBC kit, always good to hear such details! I have to say I can't imagine NBC training or operating under a severe NBC threat being high up on anyone's list of high points in their military service...
We used to have to sleep in them on exercise in West Germany in the 1980s. Or perhaps I was the ONLY mug actually doing this... With the earlier S6, the original canister had a large hole in the centre of it (as used on Op Nimrod, May 1980). This was changed to the type with the cut vents at the perimeter because, we were told, people were rolling in their sleep and blocking the single central hole. You can imagine the rest, waking up in a tangled panic (think '58 dossbag with liner) or, worse, not sorting it out quickly enough. All said, I reckon no-one died, it was just an asphyxiation hazard. If it really had to be done in anger, troops could be dying from unmasking as they choked before they realised they were in a contaminated area.
Ahh, this brings back memories of endless running around in full kit and FM12 (Almost identical) respirator. Coincidentaly the one i was issued was made the same year and month i was born.
Watching this I realise now that we were issued S6 haversacks with S10 respirators, just checked your S6 vid to make sure and yes it definitely was the S6 bag as the material was shinier and thinner plus when drawing respirators from stores in TA inf (we took webbing home) for a weekend we had to faff around removing right ammo pouch in order to slide the ressy case onto the belt. This was late 80s and a NATO role batallion, home defence units still had S6s as well as turtle helmets
Great video! As you probably already know the drinking straw was inserted in the top of the water bottle which was tipped upside down to drink, by blowing into the bottle via the straw it would allow the water to come out easier. Only the soldiers personal auto injector would be used , the needle is then bent and put back in the haversack. This would then assist a medic if the casualty was suffering from atropine poisoning.
Interestingly enough, the FM12 went into Dutch military service taking over from the "re-badged" Canadian made C3 in the early '90's that was actually a "re-badged" British 1940's lightweight respirator. The evolution of respirators is quite interesting. Also the NBC Facelet, I was issued one in '86 and due to its resemblance to a pack of tobacco, most soldiers smoked back then, we christened it a NBC Baccy Pouch mk1.
The evolution of respirators is indeed interesting, as is learning the Dutch used the FM12, I wasn't previously aware of that. Nice little annecdote about the facelet too, I'll remember that!
hi mate i love your vids i am 14 and i find this realy intresting i have started a colection of ww2 british army bd uniform and equipment and you have given me some good knowlege and advice thanks rifleman keep making great vids, p.s sorry for bad spelling
Just watched this and found it very interesting I have a full set of First Gulf War equipment,uniform and helmet and did not think about a respirator,went on ebay straight away and found an unissued one dated 1990 its on its way,there were several on there but after watching this I know I have the correct one,thanks.
Had a bunch of these bags turn up on a surplus store in Norfolk, Virginia in the states. I just use them for a US m40 as i was able to find a spectacle kit for it on ebay. Unfortunately I have yet to see any actual British gas mask turn up in the states, let alone any spectacle insert for one.
Hi, Great video, just a quick question, Do you know if 3 of the L1 Facelets would be issued for the S-10 Kit or just one, Also i think it would be a great video idea if you were to do a video on the "Survive To Fight!" Booklets
Another item which we never had issued but it formed part of our NBC trg and we were told it would have been issued in wartime was diazepam tablets. These were supposed to counteract the symptoms of atropine poisoning, if someone mistakenly used atropine without actually having been subjected to a nerve agent.
hi there i love your videos rifleman i have started a collection of british ww2 militaria. thanks to you i have gained more knowledge on what to buy when starting out, just wondering coud you give me some advice on where to buy soldiers knitted items for a good price, stuff on ebay is ridiculous prices keep up the good work mate, this vidio was very intresting btw, cheers will
Thanks for the kind words! Soldier of fortune produces some reproduction items such as cap comforter and cardigan if they might suit? I think the quality is passable.
@Rifleman Moore - That does the CombiPen reset tool look like? I have the combi-pen and have been trying to reset the Pen without success. Gen up please bud. Thanks
Not sure if you covered this but the top of someone else's haversack needs to be opened secretly and stuffed with choc bar & sweet wrappers, empty screetch packets, used tissues etc so the wearer creates 'combat confetti' (all that rubbish thrown in the air by the rapid withdrawal of the respirator) upon the alarm "gas, gas, gas!" Also 'hilariously' loosen the respirator canister and watch your 'pal' scramble to retrieve the flying canister and fit it whilst being beasted for it. Cue Mutley laugh (and quick check of condition of one's own respirator. Trust no one.)
So the way I understood......The strap is a shoulder strap while that little cord is meant to be tied around the waist? But if we carry it on a belt, then that cord isn't used? We should put a leg strap right through that little loop at the bottom, right?
The strap can go over the shoulder or around the waist. When worn over the shoulder the string can be looped around the waist to stabilise the haversack. The little loop is to take a bungee, or a strap when the haversack is worn on the equipment belt. The PLCE pouches have the same thing. This is to stop the pouches bouncing around so much.
FOUR methods of carry: 1) Directly ON the waist belt, as per a W/B or Util pouch; 2) With the shoulder strap AS a waistbelt (CEFO worn or not), haversack hanging in a similar way; 3) Across the shoulder - think WWII RAF or civil police, and; 4) The "Alert Position" - on the chest. Option 4 requires you to shorten the strap and hang it around your neck only. The tape passes behind your back, through the "neck" strap then ties to the tape loop on the other side of the haversack. I never found any need to use the tape except in this mode. There's an open top pocket for stowing it. Looking for a pic as demo, I found this incredibly good resource: erenow.net/ww/british-military-respirators-anti-gas-equipment-two-world-wars/5.php The re-enactor (nearer the bottom of the page) has it EXACTLY right. Certainly in NI, the '42 Light respirator was used until superceded by the S6. I've seen pics of soldiers carrying the '42 Light Respirator case in the "alert position" in that "theatre".
I think that's very much an RN thing in this time period. I do have an RN issue S6 which retains an ID disc on the pull loop on the front of the haversack.
I have a 1983 Survive to Fight manual with a RN insert. Apparently they wear the sleeves over the gloves and have the smock cut off with scissors from behind.
@@RiflemanMoore An ID disc on the pull loop would make opening the haversack MUCH easier whilst wearing two pairs of NBC gloves so that makes sense. But in 2003, I visited a friend in HMS Nelson and his S10 had a jangly ID disc on it. That idea was new to me but it made sense. I don't know if it was SOPs or whether just something he did.
@@coldwarkitbag9104 *OVER* the gloves?! Less of a seal and liquid contaminants will run down the arms when the arms are raised. I imagine most sailors who get exposed to chemical agents would also be wet with sea spray (at least) and work with their arms predominately below shoulder height. The scissors idea makes sense, especially with the suits pre-Mk4. Scissors surely should have been carried at (army) section level - or perhaps the MoD never really expected soldiers to survive long enough to have to change NBC suits... In hindsight, if I had to train for this stuff again, I'd carry gaffa tape and elastic bands as part of my NBC kit. Just to improve seals around gloves and boots. I remember returning to billets after the CS gas chamber and polluting the air with CS in the billet as we changed out of our NBC suits. It was enough to start your eyes, nose and throat off, again. (I don't think the suits work as well as everyone made out)
@Kyle Swanson 0207 - "Will u do a separate video on turtle helmets?" Surely turtles don't need helmets - they just retract their heads into their shell... ;-)
also could you give me some advice on where to buy soldiers knitted items like cardigon, socks etc because i cant seem to find any that arnt ridiculous prices i saw a pair of woolen socks for 60 pounds im serious, so i would highly appreciate advise cheers, could you make a vidio on turtle helmets some one else asked to thanks ( :
Socks are reproduced by What Price Glory, I believe Soldier of Fortune reproduce the cardigan and cap comforter and quality is passable. As for the helmets, yes, at some point I certainly will!
There was a different variant of mask lens which better suited the spectacles (as required). I have the respirator but not the specs. These days, the facelet isn't half useful for going shopping or for travelling by bus! They'll surely be quite rare after this Coronavirus Covid-19 crisis...
Yes, I was just talking about the facelet with a friend in the US in relation to the current situation, wondering if they'd be bought up by people to use. They aren't exactly common to find as it stands.
Rifleman Moore - I’ve still got my S10 & Haversack complete with 3 x Facelet Masks plus the Head Strap that you needed to use the Masks. Due to the C-19 Climate we’re all living in, 1x Facelet Mask Plus Head Strap HAS been used when out shopping. One downside with said Facelet, especially during the previous Hot weather we had been having, it didn’t half get hot wearing one! Oh well, Safety First............. 😂🤣
@@RCWB74 When this Covid kicked off, I mobilised my S10 from the loft, tested it and my use of it. And it now lives next to my medic trauma kit, to hand in the sitting room, on standby. Ready for what, precisely, I'm not really sure. It seemed like a good idea at the time. I'd be too self conscious to use it in a public place which is ironic 'cause no-one would recognise me if I did...
The PLCE DPM version is basically the same as the later PLCE green, just camouflaged. On the later green respirator haversack, the brass C hook was replaced by a Nexus T bar within the belt loop and the snaps changed to the type you find on current Osprey kit.
From 80s to 91/92 S6 haversacks were used LH and RH variants still being issued in 1993. Then there was a sack with a C clip in OD, 2 versions of another OD sack with the belt T clips in metal , then the DPM version of the same. There's another lightweight carrying bag and another DPM that was a lot like the GPR field pack, made by Scott according to the bag mine came in. so 7 or 8 sacks for the S10. For my sins I own at least one of each. Missing any kind of trials versions and a third party khaki one. There could well be more variants for RN, RAF and SF / Police etc. I wish I'd never started when I realised you can't just buy one mask and one haversack.
I would guess that left handed masks became a bit of an oddity with the introduction of the L85A1 and everyone shooting right handed whether they liked it or not?
They were definitely making the S6 (also S10 till 92/93) RH Cannister Haversack (Right Handed Canister for Left Handed Shooters) in 1993, years after the SA80 was in service.
@@coldwarkitbag9104 Yes. I have BOTH S6 masks but only the standard haversack. I've NEVER seen the RH haversack. The S10 can be user switched to RH. You only need a flat headed screwdriver. I've heard of people modding for a canister on each side - but you'd have to cannibalise another respirator to obtain the screw thread parts.
Oh no, I collect this junk and you're going to spoil my day! Already, I'm looking out for a 1985 trials one. :-) All I know of is that there's the early 90 Patt green with "lift the dot" studs (as on '44 W/B Pouch) and brass C hook, the later green version that had snap studs and a metal T bar - then the DPM version of the latter. I'm guessing that the 2007 Pattern(?) Desert DPM "Field Pack" makes a 5th, I've never thought about that (I TRY to limit my collecting to 20th Century). Confused, I am! That's only *5*. I've seen a few on eBay, sold as trials but I've not seen any labels, etc, and they could just as well be Dutch. Please DO enlighten me!
The US Military had the M17A1/A2. Absolute pieces of shit! The British Military protective masks were way ahead in design and protection. First and foremost is quick changing of the filters. The M17 series had no provisions for quick change filters. After the First Gulf War the US Military finally caught up with the M40 design which is very British and much superior to majority of all previous US, German, and definitely Soviet designed protective masks. It took the US Military to get it's head out of it's ass 38 years to finally realize that this works and not the BULLSHIT M17 series. Great video. Just ranting about what Uncle Sam issued us during the Cold War era. I saw when I was stationed in Germany when we trained in the British BAOR sector the British Army had better masks.
It's a shame as the M17 was very advanced in many ways but anything with cheek filters which simply cannot be changed whilst the mask is being worn is frankly a daft idea. If I remember correctly US chemical troops continued wearing the old M9 respirator throughout this period which speaks volumes... It has to be said that at least until recently British NBC kit has been pretty much at the cutting edge. I'm interested in picking up an M17 and M17A1 for interests sake at some point in the future.
Great Video as per normal. Like to point out... During OP Telic (Main Invasion of Iraq) - Our S10 Haversack was packed with all them items... But please note we had to carry two spare canisters in the Haversack not one! Also was issued with Nerve Agent Pre-Treatment Sets (NAPS ) Tablets (which was 1 tablet every 8 hours for 3 months); Plus before deploying to Kuwait in readiness of the Invasion we had series of Anthrax jabs too... We would carry Three Auto Injection Combi Pens (As you mentioned in the video). Gloves were to be in sealed packs in our Haversack with spare pair in my daysacks along with 2 Full Complete NBC Suits & 2 pairs of NBC Boots, again all in complete sealed packs... This was in event of NBC Attack so our NBC equipment wasn’t already contaminated or ripped..!
I spent countless hours in my S10, to the point it became personal to me... You had to carry your S10 everywhere you went regardless. One evening we had to sleep with them on as the threat of NBC attack was high as Iraqi Scuds seem to be endless... Not experience I wish to reply!
Very interesting, thanks for all the information on NBC kit, always good to hear such details! I have to say I can't imagine NBC training or operating under a severe NBC threat being high up on anyone's list of high points in their military service...
We used to have to sleep in them on exercise in West Germany in the 1980s.
Or perhaps I was the ONLY mug actually doing this...
With the earlier S6, the original canister had a large hole in the centre of it (as used on Op Nimrod, May 1980). This was changed to the type with the cut vents at the perimeter because, we were told, people were rolling in their sleep and blocking the single central hole. You can imagine the rest, waking up in a tangled panic (think '58 dossbag with liner) or, worse, not sorting it out quickly enough.
All said, I reckon no-one died, it was just an asphyxiation hazard. If it really had to be done in anger, troops could be dying from unmasking as they choked before they realised they were in a contaminated area.
Ahh, this brings back memories of endless running around in full kit and FM12 (Almost identical) respirator. Coincidentaly the one i was issued was made the same year and month i was born.
I notice you didn't say fond memories! These respirators do have a remakably long lifespan.
@@RiflemanMoore Try and go for a jog with a respirator and you'll see what i mean ;) Not so nice back then, but fun to look back upon!
Watching this I realise now that we were issued S6 haversacks with S10 respirators, just checked your S6 vid to make sure and yes it definitely was the S6 bag as the material was shinier and thinner plus when drawing respirators from stores in TA inf (we took webbing home) for a weekend we had to faff around removing right ammo pouch in order to slide the ressy case onto the belt. This was late 80s and a NATO role batallion, home defence units still had S6s as well as turtle helmets
Very interesting, thanks for the information!
Great video! As you probably already know the drinking straw was inserted in the top of the water bottle which was tipped upside down to drink, by blowing into the bottle via the straw it would allow the water to come out easier. Only the soldiers personal auto injector would be used , the needle is then bent and put back in the haversack. This would then assist a medic if the casualty was suffering from atropine poisoning.
Indeed so, the drinking method is shown in the video thumbnail! Thanks for the information regarding the auto injectors, makes good sense.
Interestingly enough, the FM12 went into Dutch military service taking over from the "re-badged" Canadian made C3 in the early '90's that was actually a "re-badged" British 1940's lightweight respirator. The evolution of respirators is quite interesting. Also the NBC Facelet, I was issued one in '86 and due to its resemblance to a pack of tobacco, most soldiers smoked back then, we christened it a NBC Baccy Pouch mk1.
The evolution of respirators is indeed interesting, as is learning the Dutch used the FM12, I wasn't previously aware of that. Nice little annecdote about the facelet too, I'll remember that!
Is that the "duck mask" you're talking about there?
hi mate i love your vids i am 14 and i find this realy intresting i have started a colection of ww2 british army bd uniform and equipment and you have given me some good knowlege and advice thanks rifleman keep making great vids, p.s sorry for bad spelling
No worries, glad you enjoy my uploads!
Just watched this and found it very interesting I have a full set of First Gulf War equipment,uniform and helmet and did not think about a respirator,went on ebay straight away and found an unissued one dated 1990 its on its way,there were several on there but after watching this I know I have the correct one,thanks.
No worries, glad you're able to complete the set.
Great video mate,really enjoy your uploads.
Many thanks, more to come soon!
Rifleman Moore No problem!,looking forward.
Had a bunch of these bags turn up on a surplus store in Norfolk, Virginia in the states. I just use them for a US m40 as i was able to find a spectacle kit for it on ebay. Unfortunately I have yet to see any actual British gas mask turn up in the states, let alone any spectacle insert for one.
Hi, Great video, just a quick question, Do you know if 3 of the L1 Facelets would be issued for the S-10 Kit or just one, Also i think it would be a great video idea if you were to do a video on the "Survive To Fight!" Booklets
In 1986 I was issued an S10 respirator but in an S6 haversack! Does this later haversack integrate well with the pattern 58 webbing belt? TIA :-)
Thanks for sharing , always great content, atb 👍
Many thanks, glad you enjoyed!
Where would you wear the pouch, on your webbing, leg or seperate belt?
Another item which we never had issued but it formed part of our NBC trg and we were told it would have been issued in wartime was diazepam tablets. These were supposed to counteract the symptoms of atropine poisoning, if someone mistakenly used atropine without actually having been subjected to a nerve agent.
Ah yes, something I've come across before but, naturally something which can't be collected.
hi there i love your videos rifleman i have started a collection of british ww2 militaria. thanks to you i have gained more knowledge on what to buy when starting out, just wondering coud you give me some advice on where to buy soldiers knitted items for a good price, stuff on ebay is ridiculous prices keep up the good work mate, this vidio was very intresting btw, cheers will
Thanks for the kind words! Soldier of fortune produces some reproduction items such as cap comforter and cardigan if they might suit? I think the quality is passable.
@@RiflemanMoore you welcome, thank you so much for the help, hope your week goes well, (:
Agree 100%. And it should have been the FM12.
Yeah, a real shame they went for the GSR.
@Rifleman Moore - That does the CombiPen reset tool look like? I have the combi-pen and have been trying to reset the Pen without success. Gen up please bud. Thanks
It's a black piece, similar in size/shape to the grey end cap but it has two plastic prongs inside to engage with the mechanism and reset it.
Not sure if you covered this but the top of someone else's haversack needs to be opened secretly and stuffed with choc bar & sweet wrappers, empty screetch packets, used tissues etc so the wearer creates 'combat confetti' (all that rubbish thrown in the air by the rapid withdrawal of the respirator) upon the alarm "gas, gas, gas!" Also 'hilariously' loosen the respirator canister and watch your 'pal' scramble to retrieve the flying canister and fit it whilst being beasted for it. Cue Mutley laugh (and quick check of condition of one's own respirator. Trust no one.)
Noted for future reenacting events for that extra bit of realism...
@@RiflemanMoore your 'pals' will love you for it especially after protracted periods without sleep, am sure.
This is what I miss, now that I'm an old man...
So the way I understood......The strap is a shoulder strap while that little cord is meant to be tied around the waist? But if we carry it on a belt, then that cord isn't used? We should put a leg strap right through that little loop at the bottom, right?
The strap can go over the shoulder or around the waist. When worn over the shoulder the string can be looped around the waist to stabilise the haversack. The little loop is to take a bungee, or a strap when the haversack is worn on the equipment belt. The PLCE pouches have the same thing. This is to stop the pouches bouncing around so much.
@@RiflemanMoore Thank you so much :) So what's your recommendation? To carry it on a belt or over the shoulder?
FOUR methods of carry:
1) Directly ON the waist belt, as per a W/B or Util pouch;
2) With the shoulder strap AS a waistbelt (CEFO worn or not), haversack hanging in a similar way;
3) Across the shoulder - think WWII RAF or civil police, and;
4) The "Alert Position" - on the chest.
Option 4 requires you to shorten the strap and hang it around your neck only. The tape passes behind your back, through the "neck" strap then ties to the tape loop on the other side of the haversack. I never found any need to use the tape except in this mode. There's an open top pocket for stowing it.
Looking for a pic as demo, I found this incredibly good resource:
erenow.net/ww/british-military-respirators-anti-gas-equipment-two-world-wars/5.php
The re-enactor (nearer the bottom of the page) has it EXACTLY right. Certainly in NI, the '42 Light respirator was used until superceded by the S6. I've seen pics of soldiers carrying the '42 Light Respirator case in the "alert position" in that "theatre".
@@simonsignolet5632 Thank you so much Simon :) That was so helpful. Much appreciated :)
I THINK a third ID disc ("dog tag") would be attached to the respirator on operations. That might just be RN SOPs.
I think that's very much an RN thing in this time period. I do have an RN issue S6 which retains an ID disc on the pull loop on the front of the haversack.
I have a 1983 Survive to Fight manual with a RN insert. Apparently they wear the sleeves over the gloves and have the smock cut off with scissors from behind.
@@RiflemanMoore
An ID disc on the pull loop would make opening the haversack MUCH easier whilst wearing two pairs of NBC gloves so that makes sense.
But in 2003, I visited a friend in HMS Nelson and his S10 had a jangly ID disc on it. That idea was new to me but it made sense. I don't know if it was SOPs or whether just something he did.
@@coldwarkitbag9104
*OVER* the gloves?! Less of a seal and liquid contaminants will run down the arms when the arms are raised. I imagine most sailors who get exposed to chemical agents would also be wet with sea spray (at least) and work with their arms predominately below shoulder height.
The scissors idea makes sense, especially with the suits pre-Mk4. Scissors surely should have been carried at (army) section level - or perhaps the MoD never really expected soldiers to survive long enough to have to change NBC suits...
In hindsight, if I had to train for this stuff again, I'd carry gaffa tape and elastic bands as part of my NBC kit. Just to improve seals around gloves and boots. I remember returning to billets after the CS gas chamber and polluting the air with CS in the billet as we changed out of our NBC suits. It was enough to start your eyes, nose and throat off, again. (I don't think the suits work as well as everyone made out)
Do the uk still making this
I have the haversack but it came with an N10 mask
Will u do a separate video on turtle helmets?
I certainly plan on doing a video on more helmets in the future, yes.
Thanks there my favourite type👍👍
@Kyle Swanson 0207 - "Will u do a separate video on turtle helmets?"
Surely turtles don't need helmets - they just retract their heads into their shell... ;-)
also could you give me some advice on where to buy soldiers knitted items like cardigon, socks etc because i cant seem to find any that arnt ridiculous prices i saw a pair of woolen socks for 60 pounds im serious, so i would highly appreciate advise cheers, could you make a vidio on turtle helmets some one else asked to thanks ( :
Socks are reproduced by What Price Glory, I believe Soldier of Fortune reproduce the cardigan and cap comforter and quality is passable. As for the helmets, yes, at some point I certainly will!
@@RiflemanMoore thank you verry much, cant wait for your your next upload.( :
There was a different variant of mask lens which better suited the spectacles (as required). I have the respirator but not the specs.
These days, the facelet isn't half useful for going shopping or for travelling by bus! They'll surely be quite rare after this Coronavirus Covid-19 crisis...
Yes, I was just talking about the facelet with a friend in the US in relation to the current situation, wondering if they'd be bought up by people to use. They aren't exactly common to find as it stands.
Rifleman Moore - I’ve still got my S10 & Haversack complete with 3 x Facelet Masks plus the Head Strap that you needed to use the Masks. Due to the C-19 Climate we’re all living in, 1x Facelet Mask Plus Head Strap HAS been used when out shopping. One downside with said Facelet, especially during the previous Hot weather we had been having, it didn’t half get hot wearing one! Oh well, Safety First............. 😂🤣
@@RCWB74
When this Covid kicked off, I mobilised my S10 from the loft, tested it and my use of it. And it now lives next to my medic trauma kit, to hand in the sitting room, on standby.
Ready for what, precisely, I'm not really sure. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
I'd be too self conscious to use it in a public place which is ironic 'cause no-one would recognise me if I did...
I think my s10 is more recent it has a woodland Dpm bag do you know the difference?
There isn't a great difference I'm aware of. The haversack is in essence the same too.
The PLCE DPM version is basically the same as the later PLCE green, just camouflaged. On the later green respirator haversack, the brass C hook was replaced by a Nexus T bar within the belt loop and the snaps changed to the type you find on current Osprey kit.
From 80s to 91/92 S6 haversacks were used LH and RH variants still being issued in 1993. Then there was a sack with a C clip in OD, 2 versions of another OD sack with the belt T clips in metal , then the DPM version of the same. There's another lightweight carrying bag and another DPM that was a lot like the GPR field pack, made by Scott according to the bag mine came in. so 7 or 8 sacks for the S10. For my sins I own at least one of each. Missing any kind of trials versions and a third party khaki one. There could well be more variants for RN, RAF and SF / Police etc. I wish I'd never started when I realised you can't just buy one mask and one haversack.
@@coldwarkitbag9104
Man, I should have scrolled through all the comments before I wrote my comment above (two days after).
I would guess that left handed masks became a bit of an oddity with the introduction of the L85A1 and everyone shooting right handed whether they liked it or not?
Indeed so, as you say an option which really arrived with and then died a death with the SLR, in the British military at least.
They were definitely making the S6 (also S10 till 92/93) RH Cannister Haversack (Right Handed Canister for Left Handed Shooters) in 1993, years after the SA80 was in service.
@@coldwarkitbag9104
Yes. I have BOTH S6 masks but only the standard haversack. I've NEVER seen the RH haversack.
The S10 can be user switched to RH. You only need a flat headed screwdriver. I've heard of people modding for a canister on each side - but you'd have to cannibalise another respirator to obtain the screw thread parts.
Don't talk to me about S10 Haversacks, there's 7 that I know of and then there's the aftermarket variants to confuse you.
Oh no, I collect this junk and you're going to spoil my day! Already, I'm looking out for a 1985 trials one. :-)
All I know of is that there's the early 90 Patt green with "lift the dot" studs (as on '44 W/B Pouch) and brass C hook, the later green version that had snap studs and a metal T bar - then the DPM version of the latter. I'm guessing that the 2007 Pattern(?) Desert DPM "Field Pack" makes a 5th, I've never thought about that (I TRY to limit my collecting to 20th Century).
Confused, I am! That's only *5*. I've seen a few on eBay, sold as trials but I've not seen any labels, etc, and they could just as well be Dutch.
Please DO enlighten me!
GAS GAS GAS lol once you done it you never forget it lol number name rank .....
You must show how to open parts this thing 😔
The US Military had the M17A1/A2. Absolute pieces of shit! The British Military protective masks were way ahead in design and protection. First and foremost is quick changing of the filters. The M17 series had no provisions for quick change filters. After the First Gulf War the US Military finally caught up with the M40 design which is very British and much superior to majority of all previous US, German, and definitely Soviet designed protective masks. It took the US Military to get it's head out of it's ass 38 years to finally realize that this works and not the BULLSHIT M17 series. Great video. Just ranting about what Uncle Sam issued us during the Cold War era. I saw when I was stationed in Germany when we trained in the British BAOR sector the British Army had better masks.
It's a shame as the M17 was very advanced in many ways but anything with cheek filters which simply cannot be changed whilst the mask is being worn is frankly a daft idea. If I remember correctly US chemical troops continued wearing the old M9 respirator throughout this period which speaks volumes... It has to be said that at least until recently British NBC kit has been pretty much at the cutting edge. I'm interested in picking up an M17 and M17A1 for interests sake at some point in the future.
BFT.... :-/
In full NBC kit?
@@RiflemanMoore Yeah...Catterick