It’s actually a very clever system, whenever the LR4 thinks you need more light in the cabin it ingeniously lights up the check engine light. Brilliant !
I love that the justification is pure car people speak. “It’s the most reliable year” “it’s got a fresh engine” “I’ve thought this through and it’s perfect for us” lol
@@purwantiallan5089Truth. LR3 (more than the LR4) and LR4 are the more reliable cars Land Rover has made. Plenty above 200k miles with no major issues.
Thank you for keeping the "get-in helmet section with the i8" in the intro. Pls don't evenr remove it. It is one of the signature(TM) moments of the TH!
This whole video is the reason i love Throttle House. Thomas buying a JLR suv on its second engine, James making fun of said purchase, the truck throwing up codes like they're gang signs in Cental L.A. in the 90s, the prayer at the end. Absolutely incredible content boys. Hats off to y'all
Warning from a JLR tech, if you ever see that low coolant warning, DO NOT KEEP DRIVING. Have seen way too many of these engines cooked because the person kept driving. This engine overheats very quickly without coolant...
I'm worried that my gauge isn't reliable, it hardly moves. I tried adding an Insta-gauge and that lite up everything and put me in limp mode. I had to use my gap to clear everything.
*Thomas* : but I've been clever because this one is on a fresh engine. *James* : that just means it's on its 2nd engine...which already has a CEL. *Thomas* : 👀 I felt that.
Now I know why used Land Rover's (and BMW's) are so much cheaper on Craigslist than I ever expected them to be!! Thanks guys👍 Throttle House🏠 Rules!!!!! 😀
We don't mention that name over here, especially after they went on that fraud's podcast and said Throttle house stole their idea of, wait for it, Doing drag races. Never have I facepalmed myself so hard @@dewjustin
The problem is there is literally nothing out there in the market that ticks all the boxes of the LR4. Great windows. A unique third row with 3 split. Lays flat. Split rear tailgate. High ceilings. Great use of space. And it’s capable. It’s a great car to spend time in on the road. It has classic styling that ages really well. And here I find myself with a LR4 in the garage. Now you just need to start a campaign for a proper LS swap. The unicorn.
You're right except for the lr3 with a 4.4 Jaguar reliable V8 LOL a little bit less electronics an unnecessary ways but still all the luxury and capability. I mean it has a lot of electronics just not overboard like the LR4
@@elijahtuck9612Have you ever driven the LR4 and the Land Cruiser back to back? In my mind, the LC is simply a boring vehicle - certain old ones were reliable - newer ones; Not so much... I really don’t care if a car runs for 55 years and 200 million miles. I don’t want a boring vehicle!
I once had a tire warranty claim denied because the approval procedure the repair facility followed applied to weekends and this repair was being done on a week day. True story.
@@Snk13_tyJLR have very good engineers who like to do their own thing, so they are very capable cars that drive incredibly well. The problem is that they rush everything out too quickly, without enough money to do it completely right, and their manufacturing department has issues with building things right, or suppliers seem to give them substandard parts and they don't check them because they must assume the supplier did it right first time.
Having owned an LR4 for about six months (it was also on its second engine), this is....painfully accurate. Trepidation leads to excitement (oh look, mines not a lemon, yay!), leads to sadness, leads to despair. So, so many issues in six months. So many denied warranty repairs. Six months was my limit, and I've owned many patchy, leggy and somewhat unreliable cars - so my tolerance is high. It was sold and replaced with a Touareg. Not nearly as dashingly handsome, but much more reliable and actually just as capable. Still miss that cavernous interior, and the split tailgate - oh how I miss that split tailgate.
Im enjoying my Touareg. Sadly they replaced it with a FWD behemoth in the states and now dropped the VR6 engine. Looks like an x5 will be in my future.
@@DarthFurball old diesel touaregs have like a 1000 lb torque and aren't all that unreliable. VW just gets shat on because of stereotyping half the time. with JLR it's legitimately justified always.
I just helped rebuild one of these engines. Basically the oil change drips oil on the plastic water pipes and the coolant pipe fails, which then takes out the water pump and then the heads. Don’t let a Barney change the oil and if you ever get a low coolant light, don’t drive it until you swap out that pipe under the supercharger. The tank behind the engine could leak as well but that wasn’t the case on those RR. Fair warning, M8s.
This has immediately climbed to the top of my list of favorite videos from your channel. Keep the Disco 4 content coming and the revenue will pay for engine #3.
I recently purchased a 2012 LR4 HSE LUX with 149,000kms replaced the timing chains and just returned from a 12,000km road trip thru the US. Great road trip vehicle. I also own a 2010 Jaguar XF with 305,000 kms same engine. Timing chains replaced at 196,000 kms. Love driving both cars. Love your channel
The ‘Land Rover’s Prayer’ should come in every JLR handbook; I shall be reciting every time I get into our (now out of warranty 😬) Velar. Bless you gentlemen. 🙏🏻
Thomas really wanted one of these since he was looking at them for the ETH episode. Also, I seem to remember Top Gear using these as filming cars in the glory days of Clarkson, Hammond and May. Best of luck gents, you're gonna need it 😂
I bought a 2015 RRS LR494 SDV6 in 2022 March. Dropped the engine once to fix the leaks, changed the transfer case and 3 air suspension struts… but am loving everyday with it
I really do wonder how certain brands just can't get the basics right, it's like they're actively doing this. Every year they have a meeting going "so what do we need to do to make our cars more unreliable".
I think its planned so they can make continue to generate income from the repairs. If I owned one of these companies I would be embarrassed to have the worst reputation in the industry and would be on a mission to do a 180.
The main reason is that car manufacturers have to keep up with ecological standards and in order to do that, they have to make their engines more difficult in terms of engineering. For example, an old d4 from Toyota was using like 15l/100km and the new engine from jlr inline 4 2.0D has a fuel efficiency of 7L/100 Km. And it all comes down at a cost of reliability. I am pretty sure companies are not fond of having the "Unreliable car" company.
@@ML-jk3sz Exactly. That meeting is more like: "How stupid are our wealthy customers, are they still stupid enough to just keep coughing up whatever we ask, however often they need to pay our exorbitant repair bills even though we should've covered all of it under warranty?"
just last night I was talking to my wife that this is exactly the LR Discovery 4 I would love to buy! Not anymore...thank you guys! You are the most entertaining couple I know on the tube! Stay healthy and blessings 🙏 ❤ 👍 👏
I’ve not an SUV person, but I can see why people still buy older Rovers. They just look so nice and ride so well. I’m sure buyers think, this is amazing, and then decide to roll the dice, betting the worst won’t happen to them. Anyway, congrats on the Rover, boys! Please keep us updated on how it goes short- and long-term!
Advise! I have a RR l405 and my backup cam gets foggy too. Take a heat gun or hair dryer. The get condensation inside… heat it up a bit back there and it will get 100% better
I bought a used Pilot, drove it for 8 years with no major issues. Although the original battery only lasted for 11 years though. I used it to drive my friend to pick up/drop off his LR from the shop soooo many times, lol.
2005 LR3 290k miles. All original drivetrain. Even rear air bags. its my daily driver. I also have a 2001 D2 with 230k miles. Neither have ever left me stranded.
Owned a SDV6 Discovery 4 here in the UK for 3 years and never once had an issue with it. Ironically, one of the most reliable cars I've ever owned! Was an absolute dream to drive, and really really miss it! Would buy another one in a heartbeat!
Fantastic episode! Especially after many years of Top Gear where they preferred JLR over any other car, here the guys mentioned the poor reliability etc. as well as the positive aspects. And god, was I laughing. The prayer was gorgeous!!!
I fell in love with Land Rovers when I was stationed in the UK and worked my way through a couple SIIs, a SWB SIII, a LWB SIII, a couple of FC101s (LHD/RHD), and a 3-door SI Disco V8 with a manual. They were all SOOOO much fun. I would really like to own another one, but pretty much everything they've made since the Disco has turned to hot garbage, including the latest incarnation of the Defender. Every time I have the feeling I should buy another Land Rover, I go to UA-cam and remind myself how bad they've become. It makes me really sad, but it cures my need to own one again. Best of luck with your LR4, Throttle House!! May it not break...too often.
Lmao my family has a lemon W212 that somehow, despite having a transmission fault that no one can figure out, has gotten to about 205,000 miles. There is something seriously wrong with it has it vibrates every time you accelerate and shift gear, I pray it doesn't break everytime we drive it lmaoooo
I will say I've had my 14 LR4 for many years and 130k+ miles and of the two dozen vehicles I've owned, it has been hands down the most reliable, solid vehicle I've ever owned. It's never left me stranded and has never had a single issue beyond the coolant crossover pipes 50k miles ago and the rotary shift 40k miles ago. I've been very lucky and I still love it so much. I can't imagine ever getting rid of it
I wish I had this prayer 3 years ago when purchasing my wife's 2017 Range Rover HSE, at her request. My prayer was not as articulate, but just as fervent. Actually, ownership hasn't been too bad and my wife loves her Aintree green Rover with the same motor (though makes 380 hp in the HSE Big Rover). Happy wife, happy life.
Great video guys. Looking forward to all else this fine piece of British Engineering may surprise you with. 2 vehicles I often consider buying are either the Maserati Ghibli or the LR4 Lux. Both in every video and every owner I have spoken to seem doomed with never ending reliability problems. Really looking forward to see how this LR4 holds up. All the best . Keep the videos coming .
Ive owned a 2010 LR4 5.0 V8 for 6 years, replaced the Timing Chain guide rods and it's been running great and an amazing car for us. Taken if off road all over the country and has been super capable. Also a very comfy daily driver or road trip vehicle. It does have its quirks at times but we absolutely love it and hope to keep it forever!
Slowly but steadily Throttle House has become my absolute favourite car show and nowadays even tops GT for me. Thanks for your hard work and this glorious ending to the video 😂
Loved your video! I actually was looking at a cheap, used one of those…as a daily 😂😂😂. I thought…what can go wrong 😅. Thank you for this purchase to remind me 🤗 I prayed with you.
I have one of these, but with the HD package with the rear locking diff. It is a perfect vehicle. I even had the same mouse nest under the bonnet. If you ever need yours fixed, I'll do it. The only thing to worry about is the rear coolant crossover manifold, and any of the Ford accessories (I.e. water pump). Take care of it with 10K km oil changes and it will live forever. People who have problems with these just don't know how to take care of cars.
Okay… I don’t know what’s going on here, but I found a rodent nest in my LR4 engine after I bought it as well. Maybe the insulation is made of biscuits??
I'd love to see this guys to have own show in some streaming service. Now, when Grand tour is no more, these guys could really be the next generation of car shows. In their episodes, there is great mix of actual car enthusiasm and humor. Think, how funny special episodes there could be!
I love my LR4. Owned a 2015 for almost 5 years, only left us stranded once when the gear selector got stuck in park. Other than that, only been in the shop for annual services. No other car ticks all the boxes like this one - luxury long distance cruiser, off road capable, 3 rows, split tail gate, seats all fold flat, cavernous space, timeless looks. It’s the best car in the world 😅
Top Gear used those as film cars for many years! Also- the 5.0 V8 didn't just have random timing chain failure, Land Rover was recommending 16,000 miles between oil changes when these were new, lots of owners that stay on top of maintenance are still going strong on original chains
I really respect and admire you for buying this beutiful but undesirable car by most people, since you are serving us the vicarious pleasure. I hate some car UA-camrs buy BRZ/86/WRX and brag about it. Those might be reasonable and affordable choices, but they don't bring anything fresh or new to the table for viewers. We(viewers) will happily follow your journey to treasure and enjoy the iconic, unreliable masterpiece.
I drive a 2012 Honda pilot touring with 240,930 miles. It starts every day. I also have been towing a box trailer across the USA 6 times. Blessed it never let me down. I love the Land Rover though, if I could afford one I would give one a shot.
Had a 2019 Passport and it was the most unreliable vehicle I’ve ever owned and I had a Jeep in the 80’s. The Passport had issue after issue and was at the dealer pretty much monthly. Even when it was running it drove like a tug boat. Never again.
Thank you... For reminding me why my Honda Pilot was such a rewarding, frugal, reliable, worry free decision while I lust for a Land Rover. Every time I think of trading "up" into a Disco etc I come across a story like this....
The sensible choices are 3 row 4 runner with a rolled down back window, or a LX with a flip up tailgate. But how will we get entertainment if those are chosen (like the Pilot). Thumbs up for the excellent guilty pleasure of cars. While you are at it, please consider the V10 M5 as a daily :)
Lol. I like the callback on the thumbnail. Thomas holding a sign saying James is a genius for buying a Century, James holding a sign calling Thomas an idiot for the Land Rover. In all seriousness, the Disco 4 is cool. Not reliable, but cool. My cousin has one (bought second-hand) and recently she had to fork out THOUSANDS after the twin-turbos on the V6 Diesel decided to not be turbos anymore. A week after then new turbos were installed, the car went into Limp Mode and a diagnostic cost another couple of thousand currencies and IT WASN'T EVEN THE ISSUE! But it's a nice car. Nice car...
Great content guys! Well done. All kidding aside about LR reliability reputation, the LR4 is an incredibly versatile and distinctive design. As for the failed water pump, that is perhaps the most common fault on these vehicles (anywhere between 50-80k kms). Once the water pump is repaired the 3.0 V6 SC engine is incredibly reliable from experience (and many others who have chimed in anecdotally on forums). I've been running two of these for a while now with either no or only minor issues. The latter of which I easily (and inexpensively) repaired on my own. The reality is that so many people, including Land Rover owners, love to joke about reliability issues but truth be told, my Land Rovers have been more reliable than the German-made vehicles I've owned (despite being models that were well rated for reliability!)
You guys are raising the bar for car reviews, it's not only about mechanics anymore, but about the fun (or sadness) of ownership. Keep going with the great content!
I’ll be honest… I have a 2009 LR2 with ~149k miles…haven’t had one issue and have done regular maintenance on it. Changed brakes a while ago, flushed fluids, replaced shocks once. Love it. I also have a 2015 RR sport SE with ~89k miles, had one issue with a coolant hose which was made of plastic so did cost a lot to pull and replace the parts..otherwise it’s been a rockstar.. not sure I’ve ever met anyone who’s had issues with LR but I always see tons of comments about poor quality.. to each their own I guess
We got a new 2016 disco back in 2016 and the interior just started falling apart. And then the fuel pump self destructed and the car locked up on my mother in the middle of an intersection. We sold the car the next day 😂😂
The LR2 is basically a Volvo with a Land-Rover developed AWD system. For sheer lack of pedigree and capability, it doesn't have the issues the larger Land Rover products do.
@@kyreerollerson im aware of what the LR2 is however it has the LR badge on it, so folks cant pick and choose their arguments and say "welll its not the same blah blah blah". All im saying is i have a large and a small.. both are superb for me. End of story
@@kyreerollerson kinda true, but I'd say is more of a Ford rather than a Volvo. Which is not very different since at the time Volvo was also owned by Ford. The AWD system also isn't fully made by LR, is mostly a Haldex controlled by LR software, which is a nice combination
9:02 My Dad owned 2 of these Pilots, after like 10 years we finally got him to switch to something else (Mazda CX-90). He still talks about the Pilot sometimes lol
My wife and I owned an LR3, it was a wonderful vehicle. We both loved it tremendously when it wasn't in for repair. It had the V8, and was so smooth and refined. At one point we were given an LR4 with the V6SC as loaner. Compared to the LR3 it was buzzy and uncomfortable. The seats were stiff and the power delivery was frenetic with a lack of low end. I'd love to have another one for an offroad toy, but the gamble is a real deterrent.
As an Indian, I would like to have one humble request with regards to the lettering on the bonnet. If possible, would you be so kind as to interchange the first letter of each word and just casually use it? Pretty please.
I can't complain because a Land Rover saved my life. I was tapped in a mountain blizzard; we were cold and didn't have any camping gear or even anything to start a fire. Thankfully that trusty Land Rover sensed that and conveniently started an electrical fire. It spread to the supple leather and burned all night, hell it even alerted rescue helicopters to our location. A Toyota Landcruiser wouldn't have done that!
Had an LR4 from new, left me stranded at 500km on the clock. Spent more time in the shop than I had it. Reason I’ll never touch JLR again. Loved the space…so nice inside waiting for the tow truck.
Guys let me know if u ever need help with this car for diagnosis repair info. I am a service manager at a Land Rover dealership. I bought a 2016 LR4 last year for $500 with a blown engine and installed a new one. Please make sure all of the plastic coolant pipes under the supercharger are replaced and that the engine cooling fan works. They both fail every 50k and that's how I ended up with my lr4 girl didn't want to pay 22k u.s. for a long block. If u overheat it the engine is done. That engine is the 5.0 bock with 6 cylinder heads. Also you should get solid bushings in the front control arms.
That's why I got the lr3 with a 4.4 Jaguar V8. Pretty much the same vehicle with slightly less electronics but still extremely luxurious and capable off-road and much more reliable
So did I but instead bought the RR Sport 2010 with the jaaag 5.0 supercharger extremely reliable btw ford actually copied and with small changes put it on the mustang boss.
@@rafaeloreirorodriguez5278 I thought that that 5.0 was the one with the timing chain issues and the crossover pipe issues just like the LR4 but with the supercharger. Maybe I'm Wrong
Had a Disco 4, it stranded us on a motorway due to a faulty fuel level sensor. It thought that the tank was empty. It was not. Fantastically expensive to fix. Wonderful car to drive; comfortable, quiet, spacious and plush. But hard to resolve the constant knot in the stomach as you wait for the next thing to go wrong.....
I feel you ! I bought a fully loaded 2016 LR4 Landmark last August (HD pack + adaptive cruise included). I just had to ..there is nothing like it on the road now and JLR messed it up with Discover 5. Rides fantastic ..looks great! Had to get the gear knob shifter replaced 😁. I wouldn’t rev that engine…my heart skipped a beat when you guys were doing it. I am going to get a carplay upgrade soon..to make it ‘modern’.
Honestly I love my LR4 with the 5.0, like they said just knowing you can do stuff is the best part about it. Also i own a 2001 LX470 for the backup cause you know... you never know.
This was fantastic, big well done. Congrats lads to you new JLR purchase. I'm pretty sure it will defiantly give you a lot of great.....great....hmmm.....Content!? Yes, contents for sure! ...and maybe some grey hair.
Oh god that prayer at the end,... brilliant! LR 3 TDV6 owner here.. (on jack stands in the garage at this very moment). We LR owners are all sick in the head though I wouldn't hesitate one bit to have yours :)
FYI, the rotary knob shifter will still twist into gear if it doesn’t pop up. so if that happens to you just twist it in place, it won’t do any damage. Beautiful car great review as always Guys, congrats.👌🙏💯
How you guys are capable of sucking me in to a video, is kinda rare and special, keep being awesome. I could image LR exec's heads kinda spinnin after watching this, not knowing whether to love it or hate it, haha!
It’s actually a very clever system, whenever the LR4 thinks you need more light in the cabin it ingeniously lights up the check engine light. Brilliant !
Hahahahahahhahaha
incredible feature
Actually, all the lights turn on.
@@jaycho6747they should've kept the lights turned on for majority of the cars.
@@jimh8633it is basically feature perfect tho.
90% of all Land Rovers manufactured are still on the road. The other 10% have reached their destination.
👏 👏👏👏👏
What about the other 5 percent?
Took me 2 reads but I got there 😂
@@sajushtiwari No worries 🤣
Fantastic!
I love that the justification is pure car people speak. “It’s the most reliable year” “it’s got a fresh engine” “I’ve thought this through and it’s perfect for us” lol
The Land Rover LR4 surprisingly is very reliable car imo.
@@purwantiallan5089Truth. LR3 (more than the LR4) and LR4 are the more reliable cars Land Rover has made. Plenty above 200k miles with no major issues.
Thank you for keeping the "get-in helmet section with the i8" in the intro. Pls don't evenr remove it. It is one of the signature(TM) moments of the TH!
was getting worried when i saw the new intro and was very happy to see they kept that in lmao
Agreed. Never fails to bring a smile to my face.
@@Flat_6the LR4 looks like Range Rover Bowler 2.0.
I wasn’t expecting it… so I got to laugh really hard again 😂🤣😂
This whole video is the reason i love Throttle House. Thomas buying a JLR suv on its second engine, James making fun of said purchase, the truck throwing up codes like they're gang signs in Cental L.A. in the 90s, the prayer at the end. Absolutely incredible content boys. Hats off to y'all
This was the funniest analogy I've ever read
Hahahah! 😅
Warning from a JLR tech, if you ever see that low coolant warning, DO NOT KEEP DRIVING. Have seen way too many of these engines cooked because the person kept driving. This engine overheats very quickly without coolant...
The F'ing y pipe... no time for consideration.
I'm worried that my gauge isn't reliable, it hardly moves.
I tried adding an Insta-gauge and that lite up everything and put me in limp mode.
I had to use my gap to clear everything.
Actually those sensors just arent good just pop the hood and check your coolant so if its fine then you just have a bad sensor
SOMEONE BUY THIS MAN A BEER
........................AWESOME
These are supposed to cross fucking deserts.
“If the queen pulled up in this, you would only be surprised because she’s no longer alive”😂😂😂
I like how Thomas' expression immediately says, "I'm glad you said it and not me!"
The Queen was more of a Defender fan.
Wait, is Camilla dead?
@@Jabber-ig3iwmany fans of Land Rover Defender still love this Defender for sure.
😂😂😂
#1: Love the new intro! #2: Love the dealership callout #3: Love the prayer at the end!
I would rarther they call out the shady one who didn't honor the warrenty
Hopefully they kept the prayer at the end of videos in future Throttle House videos.
*Thomas* : but I've been clever because this one is on a fresh engine.
*James* : that just means it's on its 2nd engine...which already has a CEL.
*Thomas* : 👀
I felt that.
The land rover prayer was very funny...James idea I bet
The prayer at the end is why this is the superior Canadian car channel! 😂
I will argue that this is the superior UA-cam car channel, regardless of nation of origin.
Now I know why used Land Rover's (and BMW's) are so much cheaper on Craigslist than I ever expected them to be!! Thanks guys👍 Throttle House🏠 Rules!!!!! 😀
Straight pipes suckkk
@@dewjustin their jokes and style got old real quick
We don't mention that name over here, especially after they went on that fraud's podcast and said Throttle house stole their idea of, wait for it, Doing drag races. Never have I facepalmed myself so hard
@@dewjustin
You can go anywhere with a landrover....les jst say its not the same with the return trip
My neighbor's LR4 just keeps blaring its alarm in the driveway.
You can go as far as the car will take you
@@Tential1 If it starts, and if the suspension hasn't collapsed.
This is why the wise buy land cruisers
But they have way less comedy potential.
@@Tential1 Land Rover invented range anxiety before EVs were popular. Truly ahead of their time!
The problem is there is literally nothing out there in the market that ticks all the boxes of the LR4. Great windows. A unique third row with 3 split. Lays flat. Split rear tailgate. High ceilings. Great use of space. And it’s capable. It’s a great car to spend time in on the road. It has classic styling that ages really well.
And here I find myself with a LR4 in the garage. Now you just need to start a campaign for a proper LS swap. The unicorn.
Yes!!!
Hopefully in time they will be priced like the Pilot to compensate for the lifelong cost of ownership.
*Toyota Land Cruiser has entered the chat*
You're right except for the lr3 with a 4.4 Jaguar reliable V8 LOL a little bit less electronics an unnecessary ways but still all the luxury and capability. I mean it has a lot of electronics just not overboard like the LR4
@@elijahtuck9612Have you ever driven the LR4 and the Land Cruiser back to back? In my mind, the LC is simply a boring vehicle - certain old ones were reliable - newer ones; Not so much... I really don’t care if a car runs for 55 years and 200 million miles. I don’t want a boring vehicle!
That prayer at the end 😂😂😂
Amen
I almost died
Amen
Who art on the side of the road 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Haaaaahahahaaaaa
Hihihihihiiiiii!!!!
I was rolling hysterically…
Man i really love that new intro ❤
I am glad they kept the helmet scene
Yup
@@Raznakremoving the helmet scene could be a bad idea.
I once had a tire warranty claim denied because the approval procedure the repair facility followed applied to weekends and this repair was being done on a week day. True story.
As an owner of a Land Rover Discovery 3, that ending was spot on and funny as hell 😂 But we love our Disco. It's a costly happy family dog 💚
What is it about Land Rover that you like?
@@Snk13_tyJLR have very good engineers who like to do their own thing, so they are very capable cars that drive incredibly well. The problem is that they rush everything out too quickly, without enough money to do it completely right, and their manufacturing department has issues with building things right, or suppliers seem to give them substandard parts and they don't check them because they must assume the supplier did it right first time.
Having owned an LR4 for about six months (it was also on its second engine), this is....painfully accurate. Trepidation leads to excitement (oh look, mines not a lemon, yay!), leads to sadness, leads to despair. So, so many issues in six months. So many denied warranty repairs. Six months was my limit, and I've owned many patchy, leggy and somewhat unreliable cars - so my tolerance is high. It was sold and replaced with a Touareg. Not nearly as dashingly handsome, but much more reliable and actually just as capable. Still miss that cavernous interior, and the split tailgate - oh how I miss that split tailgate.
How low is the bar for reliability that even VW can clear it
@@andrewduong2740 Touareg at that.
Im enjoying my Touareg. Sadly they replaced it with a FWD behemoth in the states and now dropped the VR6 engine. Looks like an x5 will be in my future.
@@On2wheels94which are very reliable with the Zf/B58 combo!
@@DarthFurball old diesel touaregs have like a 1000 lb torque and aren't all that unreliable. VW just gets shat on because of stereotyping half the time. with JLR it's legitimately justified always.
The prayer at the end is the cherry on top as to why we love this channel
The ending is so funny actually 😂👍 17:48
I just helped rebuild one of these engines. Basically the oil change drips oil on the plastic water pipes and the coolant pipe fails, which then takes out the water pump and then the heads. Don’t let a Barney change the oil and if you ever get a low coolant light, don’t drive it until you swap out that pipe under the supercharger. The tank behind the engine could leak as well but that wasn’t the case on those RR. Fair warning, M8s.
overall would you recommend an LR4 5.0?
This has immediately climbed to the top of my list of favorite videos from your channel. Keep the Disco 4 content coming and the revenue will pay for engine #3.
I recently purchased a 2012 LR4 HSE LUX with 149,000kms replaced the timing chains and just returned from a 12,000km road trip thru the US. Great road trip vehicle. I also own a 2010 Jaguar XF with 305,000 kms same engine. Timing chains replaced at 196,000 kms. Love driving both cars. Love your channel
Are the timing chains on the front at least so you don't have to pull the engine to replace them?
I almost died choking on my breakfast hearing that prayer 😅
I spit my coffee💀😂
The ‘Land Rover’s Prayer’ should come in every JLR handbook; I shall be reciting every time I get into our (now out of warranty 😬) Velar.
Bless you gentlemen. 🙏🏻
Thomas really wanted one of these since he was looking at them for the ETH episode. Also, I seem to remember Top Gear using these as filming cars in the glory days of Clarkson, Hammond and May. Best of luck gents, you're gonna need it 😂
I bought a 2015 RRS LR494 SDV6 in 2022 March. Dropped the engine once to fix the leaks, changed the transfer case and 3 air suspension struts… but am loving everyday with it
I really do wonder how certain brands just can't get the basics right, it's like they're actively doing this. Every year they have a meeting going "so what do we need to do to make our cars more unreliable".
I think its planned so they can make continue to generate income from the repairs. If I owned one of these companies I would be embarrassed to have the worst reputation in the industry and would be on a mission to do a 180.
They think “They’ve been selling ok for decades, why change now? It would take effort to change.”
The main reason is that car manufacturers have to keep up with ecological standards and in order to do that, they have to make their engines more difficult in terms of engineering. For example, an old d4 from Toyota was using like 15l/100km and the new engine from jlr inline 4 2.0D has a fuel efficiency of 7L/100 Km. And it all comes down at a cost of reliability. I am pretty sure companies are not fond of having the "Unreliable car" company.
@@ML-jk3sz Exactly. That meeting is more like: "How stupid are our wealthy customers, are they still stupid enough to just keep coughing up whatever we ask, however often they need to pay our exorbitant repair bills even though we should've covered all of it under warranty?"
You can do that when your brand is just a status symbol. Most original buyers of these have it for two years and then move on to a new one.
I tip my cap. Fellow LR4 owner. Love the thing! I put some KM3 mud tires on it because the fuel economy was too good. 🤷🏻♂️
I literally laughed out loud at the prayer segment when the video ended 😂😂😂
You guys kill me! Please give me a job working with you 🙌🏽
I'm so glad the helmet bump lives on. Such a great bit. Please never lose it.
just last night I was talking to my wife that this is exactly the LR Discovery 4 I would love to buy! Not anymore...thank you guys! You are the most entertaining couple I know on the tube! Stay healthy and blessings 🙏 ❤ 👍 👏
I’ve not an SUV person, but I can see why people still buy older Rovers. They just look so nice and ride so well. I’m sure buyers think, this is amazing, and then decide to roll the dice, betting the worst won’t happen to them.
Anyway, congrats on the Rover, boys! Please keep us updated on how it goes short- and long-term!
Advise! I have a RR l405 and my backup cam gets foggy too. Take a heat gun or hair dryer. The get condensation inside… heat it up a bit back there and it will get 100% better
Love how they channel some of the best from old Top Gear. All car fans need you guys!
I bought a used Pilot, drove it for 8 years with no major issues. Although the original battery only lasted for 11 years though. I used it to drive my friend to pick up/drop off his LR from the shop soooo many times, lol.
Exactly. 2013 EX-L owner here. Most reliable vehicle I've ever owned.
@@InfoSecTangSoomiss the old generation of Hondas. Nothing beats it
2005 LR3 290k miles. All original drivetrain. Even rear air bags. its my daily driver. I also have a 2001 D2 with 230k miles. Neither have ever left me stranded.
@@krover01which engine on the 2005?
Owned a SDV6 Discovery 4 here in the UK for 3 years and never once had an issue with it. Ironically, one of the most reliable cars I've ever owned! Was an absolute dream to drive, and really really miss it! Would buy another one in a heartbeat!
A nod of approval from a fellow 2012 LR4 owner. They are great trucks
Got a 2016 landmark edition 1.5 years ago - favorite car I have EVER owned -- this was after a 4 dr wrangler and a GX460 !
Fantastic episode! Especially after many years of Top Gear where they preferred JLR over any other car, here the guys mentioned the poor reliability etc. as well as the positive aspects.
And god, was I laughing. The prayer was gorgeous!!!
I fell in love with Land Rovers when I was stationed in the UK and worked my way through a couple SIIs, a SWB SIII, a LWB SIII, a couple of FC101s (LHD/RHD), and a 3-door SI Disco V8 with a manual. They were all SOOOO much fun. I would really like to own another one, but pretty much everything they've made since the Disco has turned to hot garbage, including the latest incarnation of the Defender. Every time I have the feeling I should buy another Land Rover, I go to UA-cam and remind myself how bad they've become. It makes me really sad, but it cures my need to own one again. Best of luck with your LR4, Throttle House!! May it not break...too often.
After the video, I went directly outside to my garage and knelt by my W212 E Class and said a similar prayer. Good luck gentleman.
Lmao my family has a lemon W212 that somehow, despite having a transmission fault that no one can figure out, has gotten to about 205,000 miles. There is something seriously wrong with it has it vibrates every time you accelerate and shift gear, I pray it doesn't break everytime we drive it lmaoooo
Dear ThrottleHouse... The check engine light is on to indicate that the check engine light works... Thank you 😂
THAT CONCERNED LOOK ON THOMAS’S FACE WHEN JAMES SAID HE HAD A CHECK ENGINE LIGHT 😂 1:01
I will say I've had my 14 LR4 for many years and 130k+ miles and of the two dozen vehicles I've owned, it has been hands down the most reliable, solid vehicle I've ever owned. It's never left me stranded and has never had a single issue beyond the coolant crossover pipes 50k miles ago and the rotary shift 40k miles ago. I've been very lucky and I still love it so much. I can't imagine ever getting rid of it
I wish I had this prayer 3 years ago when purchasing my wife's 2017 Range Rover HSE, at her request. My prayer was not as articulate, but just as fervent. Actually, ownership hasn't been too bad and my wife loves her Aintree green Rover with the same motor (though makes 380 hp in the HSE Big Rover). Happy wife, happy life.
The Land Rover prayer you guys came up with at the end should be a mandatory practice for every Land Rover owner anywhere in the world 💯🤣
We need An update on this Vehicle..
That prayer at the end was nice. We need it on a T-shirt for purchase please
Amazing show! You’re getting better and better over time! Which unfortunately can’t be said about the Land Rovers…
Fantastic, and the snot dripping out of James' nose at the beginning was hysterical. I will add you to my pray list.
I can never get over Thomas hitting his head with helmet on the i8 😭
Please don't ever think of taking it out
that was James
@@snupermoto723 He nearly got it
@@snupermoto723 after this purchase I'm starting to wonder if Thomas hit his head too
@@snupermoto723 At this point I don't know who is who
Oh I love it too, every time it happens I go “bink!”
Great video guys. Looking forward to all else this fine piece of British Engineering may surprise you with. 2 vehicles I often consider buying are either the Maserati Ghibli or the LR4 Lux. Both in every video and every owner I have spoken to seem doomed with never ending reliability problems. Really looking forward to see how this LR4 holds up. All the best . Keep the videos coming .
Ive owned a 2010 LR4 5.0 V8 for 6 years, replaced the Timing Chain guide rods and it's been running great and an amazing car for us. Taken if off road all over the country and has been super capable. Also a very comfy daily driver or road trip vehicle. It does have its quirks at times but we absolutely love it and hope to keep it forever!
how much do you spend a year to maintain it?
How many miles does yours have? How many when you got it? I’m thinking of buying one like in a day or 2
Slowly but steadily Throttle House has become my absolute favourite car show and nowadays even tops GT for me. Thanks for your hard work and this glorious ending to the video 😂
Loved your video! I actually was looking at a cheap, used one of those…as a daily 😂😂😂. I thought…what can go wrong 😅. Thank you for this purchase to remind me 🤗 I prayed with you.
I have one of these, but with the HD package with the rear locking diff. It is a perfect vehicle. I even had the same mouse nest under the bonnet. If you ever need yours fixed, I'll do it.
The only thing to worry about is the rear coolant crossover manifold, and any of the Ford accessories (I.e. water pump). Take care of it with 10K km oil changes and it will live forever. People who have problems with these just don't know how to take care of cars.
Okay… I don’t know what’s going on here, but I found a rodent nest in my LR4 engine after I bought it as well. Maybe the insulation is made of biscuits??
My 2009 Discovery 3, 4.4L V8, has 360,000 km on it and still going strong! Good use, maintenance, original or OEM parts keeps it healthy.
this guys just pulled a L4 prayer🤣🤣
this thing is maaaad
Creativity 100000%🤣
I'd love to see this guys to have own show in some streaming service. Now, when Grand tour is no more, these guys could really be the next generation of car shows. In their episodes, there is great mix of actual car enthusiasm and humor. Think, how funny special episodes there could be!
1:30 I almost had a heart attack at the 30k
I love my LR4. Owned a 2015 for almost 5 years, only left us stranded once when the gear selector got stuck in park. Other than that, only been in the shop for annual services. No other car ticks all the boxes like this one - luxury long distance cruiser, off road capable, 3 rows, split tail gate, seats all fold flat, cavernous space, timeless looks. It’s the best car in the world 😅
Top Gear used those as film cars for many years! Also- the 5.0 V8 didn't just have random timing chain failure, Land Rover was recommending 16,000 miles between oil changes when these were new, lots of owners that stay on top of maintenance are still going strong on original chains
But but but Toyota!!!!
I really respect and admire you for buying this beutiful but undesirable car by most people, since you are serving us the vicarious pleasure. I hate some car UA-camrs buy BRZ/86/WRX and brag about it. Those might be reasonable and affordable choices, but they don't bring anything fresh or new to the table for viewers. We(viewers) will happily follow your journey to treasure and enjoy the iconic, unreliable masterpiece.
I drive a 2012 Honda pilot touring with 240,930 miles. It starts every day. I also have been towing a box trailer across the USA 6 times. Blessed it never let me down. I love the Land Rover though, if I could afford one I would give one a shot.
Let's hear it for the 2nd Gen Pilot community here! Felt personally attacked. Our 2013 EX-L hasn't left us stranded. Ever.
Had a 2019 Passport and it was the most unreliable vehicle I’ve ever owned and I had a Jeep in the 80’s. The Passport had issue after issue and was at the dealer pretty much monthly. Even when it was running it drove like a tug boat. Never again.
@@du3223A 2019 Passport is not a 2nd Generation Pilot. Two different platforms.
Thank you... For reminding me why my Honda Pilot was such a rewarding, frugal, reliable, worry free decision while I lust for a Land Rover. Every time I think of trading "up" into a Disco etc I come across a story like this....
Exactly!
The sensible choices are 3 row 4 runner with a rolled down back window, or a LX with a flip up tailgate. But how will we get entertainment if those are chosen (like the Pilot). Thumbs up for the excellent guilty pleasure of cars. While you are at it, please consider the V10 M5 as a daily :)
The sensible choice is to buy what you want if you can afford it. People need to quit compromising every facet of life.
I had an 05 lr3 and it was brilliant. Plows through snow and mud like a boss. I still miss it.
The ending … chefs kiss 👍
Lol. I like the callback on the thumbnail. Thomas holding a sign saying James is a genius for buying a Century, James holding a sign calling Thomas an idiot for the Land Rover.
In all seriousness, the Disco 4 is cool. Not reliable, but cool. My cousin has one (bought second-hand) and recently she had to fork out THOUSANDS after the twin-turbos on the V6 Diesel decided to not be turbos anymore. A week after then new turbos were installed, the car went into Limp Mode and a diagnostic cost another couple of thousand currencies and IT WASN'T EVEN THE ISSUE!
But it's a nice car. Nice car...
Great content guys! Well done. All kidding aside about LR reliability reputation, the LR4 is an incredibly versatile and distinctive design. As for the failed water pump, that is perhaps the most common fault on these vehicles (anywhere between 50-80k kms). Once the water pump is repaired the 3.0 V6 SC engine is incredibly reliable from experience (and many others who have chimed in anecdotally on forums). I've been running two of these for a while now with either no or only minor issues. The latter of which I easily (and inexpensively) repaired on my own. The reality is that so many people, including Land Rover owners, love to joke about reliability issues but truth be told, my Land Rovers have been more reliable than the German-made vehicles I've owned (despite being models that were well rated for reliability!)
You guys are raising the bar for car reviews, it's not only about mechanics anymore, but about the fun (or sadness) of ownership. Keep going with the great content!
I’ll be honest… I have a 2009 LR2 with ~149k miles…haven’t had one issue and have done regular maintenance on it. Changed brakes a while ago, flushed fluids, replaced shocks once. Love it. I also have a 2015 RR sport SE with ~89k miles, had one issue with a coolant hose which was made of plastic so did cost a lot to pull and replace the parts..otherwise it’s been a rockstar.. not sure I’ve ever met anyone who’s had issues with LR but I always see tons of comments about poor quality.. to each their own I guess
We got a new 2016 disco back in 2016 and the interior just started falling apart. And then the fuel pump self destructed and the car locked up on my mother in the middle of an intersection. We sold the car the next day 😂😂
@@brandonsenker8671 i get it.. weve all had some bad ones..or will eventually.. but for me and my house.. im buying Rovers
The LR2 is basically a Volvo with a Land-Rover developed AWD system. For sheer lack of pedigree and capability, it doesn't have the issues the larger Land Rover products do.
@@kyreerollerson im aware of what the LR2 is however it has the LR badge on it, so folks cant pick and choose their arguments and say "welll its not the same blah blah blah". All im saying is i have a large and a small.. both are superb for me. End of story
@@kyreerollerson kinda true, but I'd say is more of a Ford rather than a Volvo. Which is not very different since at the time Volvo was also owned by Ford. The AWD system also isn't fully made by LR, is mostly a Haldex controlled by LR software, which is a nice combination
I bought an even older Land Rover Disco. I absolutely love it. It has had annoying problems but they don’t out weigh how enjoyable it is.
9:02 My Dad owned 2 of these Pilots, after like 10 years we finally got him to switch to something else (Mazda CX-90). He still talks about the Pilot sometimes lol
We currently have 2 😂 one bought new in 2012, and another 2012 bought last year
My wife and I owned an LR3, it was a wonderful vehicle. We both loved it tremendously when it wasn't in for repair.
It had the V8, and was so smooth and refined.
At one point we were given an LR4 with the V6SC as loaner. Compared to the LR3 it was buzzy and uncomfortable. The seats were stiff and the power delivery was frenetic with a lack of low end.
I'd love to have another one for an offroad toy, but the gamble is a real deterrent.
As an Indian, I would like to have one humble request with regards to the lettering on the bonnet. If possible, would you be so kind as to interchange the first letter of each word and just casually use it? Pretty please.
am i the only one to think that this car looks insanely good from the front
I can't complain because a Land Rover saved my life. I was tapped in a mountain blizzard; we were cold and didn't have any camping gear or even anything to start a fire. Thankfully that trusty Land Rover sensed that and conveniently started an electrical fire. It spread to the supple leather and burned all night, hell it even alerted rescue helicopters to our location. A Toyota Landcruiser wouldn't have done that!
Had an LR4 from new, left me stranded at 500km on the clock. Spent more time in the shop than I had it. Reason I’ll never touch JLR again. Loved the space…so nice inside waiting for the tow truck.
Guys let me know if u ever need help with this car for diagnosis repair info. I am a service manager at a Land Rover dealership. I bought a 2016 LR4 last year for $500 with a blown engine and installed a new one. Please make sure all of the plastic coolant pipes under the supercharger are replaced and that the engine cooling fan works. They both fail every 50k and that's how I ended up with my lr4 girl didn't want to pay 22k u.s. for a long block. If u overheat it the engine is done. That engine is the 5.0 bock with 6 cylinder heads. Also you should get solid bushings in the front control arms.
Wow 500? You proper had her pants down. How much was a new engine to you?
That's why I got the lr3 with a 4.4 Jaguar V8. Pretty much the same vehicle with slightly less electronics but still extremely luxurious and capable off-road and much more reliable
So did I but instead bought the RR Sport 2010 with the jaaag 5.0 supercharger extremely reliable btw ford actually copied and with small changes put it on the mustang boss.
@@rafaeloreirorodriguez5278 I thought that that 5.0 was the one with the timing chain issues and the crossover pipe issues just like the LR4 but with the supercharger. Maybe I'm Wrong
Had a Disco 4, it stranded us on a motorway due to a faulty fuel level sensor. It thought that the tank was empty. It was not. Fantastically expensive to fix.
Wonderful car to drive; comfortable, quiet, spacious and plush. But hard to resolve the constant knot in the stomach as you wait for the next thing to go wrong.....
How can that leave you stranded? The engine doesn't just switch itself off when fuel gauge reads zero
The ding was a hoot. Always enjoy your reviews.
Do older V8 Land Cruisers not exist in Canada?
They don't, we got the Sequoia only.
@@williamsaad6833what about their Lexus equivalent?
@@Xale-ytthat has a decent amount of less ground clearance. ✅ but I heard they are alright
@@Xale-ytYes, we got the Lexu LX 570 and LX 600
I feel you ! I bought a fully loaded 2016 LR4 Landmark last August (HD pack + adaptive cruise included). I just had to ..there is nothing like it on the road now and JLR messed it up with Discover 5. Rides fantastic ..looks great! Had to get the gear knob shifter replaced 😁. I wouldn’t rev that engine…my heart skipped a beat when you guys were doing it. I am going to get a carplay upgrade soon..to make it ‘modern’.
Hahaha you bought an LR4? I own a 2014 Honda Pilot AWD touring with 140,000 miles and 0 issues. Good luck boys
im so disappointed in you guys for playing with the Lord's Prayer
It was hilarious!
What a wuss...
Honestly I love my LR4 with the 5.0, like they said just knowing you can do stuff is the best part about it. Also i own a 2001 LX470 for the backup cause you know... you never know.
This was fantastic, big well done. Congrats lads to you new JLR purchase. I'm pretty sure it will defiantly give you a lot of great.....great....hmmm.....Content!? Yes, contents for sure! ...and maybe some grey hair.
I love the Land Rover Our Father Prayer at the end, good luck gentlemen! Godspeed! It’s a nice rig!
Amazing!!! Just when I think you guys cannot outdo yourselves…… I laughed my freaking ass off when you do the prayer.!!!! Well done gentlemen!!
Oh god that prayer at the end,... brilliant! LR 3 TDV6 owner here.. (on jack stands in the garage at this very moment). We LR owners are all sick in the head though I wouldn't hesitate one bit to have yours :)
This was Ultimate. Love you guys. Funny, and informative. PERFECTION
You actually topped the support group featuring the RX7 with the closing prayer. Awesome
This is saying a lot; but this could very well be the funniest TH yet. Still have tears in my eyes from that final prayer... :D
FYI, the rotary knob shifter will still twist into gear if it doesn’t pop up. so if that happens to you just twist it in place, it won’t do any damage. Beautiful car great review as always Guys, congrats.👌🙏💯
It’s the “implication.” Very good Dennis reference.
Never change Throttle House. Never change. 😂
There was a famous line in a movie I heard once “Good Luck”! I believe this applies here. 😂
How you guys are capable of sucking me in to a video, is kinda rare and special, keep being awesome. I could image LR exec's heads kinda spinnin after watching this, not knowing whether to love it or hate it, haha!