@@bjrnhalfhand2258 also add the fact that Russ was laughing his head off over the absurdity of the fight so his guard was down when the lion punched him
Just finished Wolfsbane, and honestly, I like how the book has a moment after the prelude in chpater one where a Space Wolf pulls Loken aside and is like: Dude don't call us Space Wolves, you'll sound like a noob in front of Leman Russ. Also don't call our fortress monastery the fang, some dumbass named it that, we call it the Aett. Also, I know you have no way to know this but we're honoring you, be grateful. Then he meets with Russ and Russ is like dude I need you to be honest, also drink, ok no I mean really DRINK BITCH. Russ: OK now that you're fairly intoxicated, can I kill Horus? Loken: NOPE. Maybe when he was Horus but definitely not now. Russ: haha you're drunk of course I can! Also I hate this spear. Let me spend a couple scenes remembering my hatred for it and trying to lose it because of those old space wolves books, and how some dumb author thought this would be a great weapon for me for some damn reason. Where Dan Abbnet and Guy Haley try and work to leverage Lee Lighter's work to reconcile the stuff William King wrote to make the Space Wolves a bit more dignified. They're still not the white scars but they are getting better.
Again very informative. I can only recommend the upgrade pack one! Good sculpts, especially the shields and the one torso. Ruleswise however so not equip your rout like FW as it would be illegal 😄. First Check the unit entry and go quantity with the Grey Slayers.
@@TheOuterCircle Not to mention you will dodge the entire Primaris replacement clusterfuck that GW has going for 40k. Your 30k army could actually end up being more value for money in the long run despite being resin.
Fair enough, deal. But in regards of the SW rules, while some are good on paper, the hole thing together is clunky, counter intuitive (You lose the Grey slayer's Warrior's mettle if a character joins them and at the same time you are forced to have more characters, granted, cheap power weapons, but you paid for a useless skill) , unimaginative, poorly costed (Varangyr, the Deathsworn, Rune priest its the same cost as a librarian but has -1 I for no reason, etc.) and stupidly restricted in the army building section, and i'm not talking about the ROW, they are more restrictive and some pretty bad (they are optional, so yeah).
"Kill their Warlord"....... Its not that easy, specially if the enemy knows his weakens. It's not that of blow. Don't get my wrong, it is. But still, army wide pinning + no sweeping advances... its kinda meh. If "kill the enemy Warlord" its the best tactics you can do, it can be easy counter play (try too snipe a Magnus surrounded with his sekhement before he wipes you sorry as with the D hahaha). Oh and "be a Word Bearer and play a quite meh ROW (granted, very good in this much-up).
If you want to say it's hard to kill Magnus and Sekhmet, I'd point out that it's no easier than killing Vulkan and Firedrakes, Horus and Justaerin, Lorgar and Gal Vorbak, Guilliman and Invictus Suzerin etc. But Thousand Sons characters if you're REALLY afraid of them, take a squad of sisters with grenade launchers, they will kill even a Psi-Warlord Titan in one turn, or use the Word Bearers Rite of War where all doubles are perils of the warp.... there's a few nasty tricks you can use. Of course, a lot of this comes down to the player you're facing, nobody has ever EVER complained about how I field my Thousand Sons because I don't make douche-lists. Also, you can find ways of exploiting their cults, and if you can drain warp-charge, especially by killing HQ's they're in for a hard time.
I look forward to all of them! Also, btw, I think Bligh (rip) mentioned that the restrictions on Space Wolves means that they cannot take certain ROW's. One interesting case in my opinion (that also demonstrates how fucking complicated the rules are) is that Russ makes veteran tactical squads and Varagyr squads troops, though I am not sure whether they can be taken as "compulsory" troops choices. This sort of layers in a really weird way with "ultra compulsory" grey slayers, the primarch's chosen ROW, and so on.
I came a bit late for burning of prospero and a lot of what I'm seeing on ebay looks a bit suspect. Also any chance (and you may have already done this) for a cross walk of 30K models to not obvious 40K versions? e.g. grey slayers close combat squads, what are they in 40K? Blood claws seem the closest but not really.
I decided to play wolves because it would be something different than my alpha legion. Then book 7 came out and we got the mess that it is. I run the rite of war Armored Breakthrough which odd when you consider rules. Luckily my play group plays for fun are not complete rule sticklers. Basically I have to run 2 squads of gray slayers and 2 predators, and i take a hq per 1000 points even if it takes me over the my legal amount of allowed HQs. We treat them like the old 3rd edition codex. FW really dropped ball i feel with the 7th ed book, maybe something to do with the death of Alan? Oh and yea that banana fur and upside down boltgun is the worst thing ever.
There is no Deathwatch yet. The legions killed Xenos just fine on their own back then. As in, exterminated almost the entire galaxy over the course of the Crusade.
So if you use 1 force chart and say play a 4k or 5k battle. You disregard the standard 1 to 3 hq slots and just go off the points as per 1k per hq. But the rest of the force chart stay the same. As well say you play a 2500pts game you have to round the points up to 3k for purpose for hqs. So you would have to take 3hqs then. For a 2500pts game and so forth.
But there is no FAQ on that, you can't just change the Force Org chart to suit, for example if you 'must have more heavy than fast attack' in an army, you can't just add more heavy slots in order to fill out your Fast. Realistically it's in dire need of an FAQ, but then, so much of book VII is in need of said FAQ......
Its the same rule in the original space wolfs codex. Except the original was 750pts instead of 1000pts. So stands to reason it would play out the same way as it was FAQ in that codex
Yes!! Thank you for this vid. Seriously looking into starting my first 30k army. ...Would u recommend space wolves or salamanders? Those are my two favorite chapters...
*Two sucker punches were thrown that day, only one Primarch walked away*
The Wayfarer The Lion was fresh as a daisy when Russ punched him. The Lions punch came after a long and exhausting fight.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 also add the fact that Russ was laughing his head off over the absurdity of the fight so his guard was down when the lion punched him
What a Vlka Femrika episode wow wouldnt expected that
You. Can. NEVER. Give. The Wolves too much.
Love your no bullshit attitude
"Space furries? WRAGGHH!" ~Magnus The Red
I'm not hating on the Space Vikings, but too many joke-oppertunities at their expense exist.
Just finished Wolfsbane, and honestly, I like how the book has a moment after the prelude in chpater one where a Space Wolf pulls Loken aside and is like: Dude don't call us Space Wolves, you'll sound like a noob in front of Leman Russ. Also don't call our fortress monastery the fang, some dumbass named it that, we call it the Aett. Also, I know you have no way to know this but we're honoring you, be grateful. Then he meets with Russ and Russ is like dude I need you to be honest, also drink, ok no I mean really DRINK BITCH. Russ: OK now that you're fairly intoxicated, can I kill Horus? Loken: NOPE. Maybe when he was Horus but definitely not now. Russ: haha you're drunk of course I can! Also I hate this spear. Let me spend a couple scenes remembering my hatred for it and trying to lose it because of those old space wolves books, and how some dumb author thought this would be a great weapon for me for some damn reason. Where Dan Abbnet and Guy Haley try and work to leverage Lee Lighter's work to reconcile the stuff William King wrote to make the Space Wolves a bit more dignified. They're still not the white scars but they are getting better.
Great video, my man!
~ Wolfbrother Methos
really enjoying this 30k series
Again very informative. I can only recommend the upgrade pack one! Good sculpts, especially the shields and the one torso. Ruleswise however so not equip your rout like FW as it would be illegal 😄. First Check the unit entry and go quantity with the Grey Slayers.
The HQ per 1000 points rule overwrites the force Organization and the compulsery HQ thing is that you need one of them
Dude you are killing me! So fast i love it!
Been working on my 40K Black Templars Army, but all your videos make me want to make a 30K army instead.
Do it. There's 30k Templars, I have an army of them, they are a sub-set of the Imperial Fists veterans and have their own units.
@@TheOuterCircle Not to mention you will dodge the entire Primaris replacement clusterfuck that GW has going for 40k.
Your 30k army could actually end up being more value for money in the long run despite being resin.
can´t wait for TS one next ! Hyped !
I LOVE THE HEADS ON THE GREY SLAYERS. THE MOHAWK, BEARD COMBO IS GREAT.
“Wolfy wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf.” Literly the entire 4th edition codex.
I love the Field Police idea they took from the RT Rulebook Marine Colour schemes..... to bad he didn't have a red helmet. Great read as usual Macca
You are salty for the SW rules (AEther runic Armour, legion rules, etc.) BUT, if I'm not mistaken, you play Thousand sons ? What?
Wait for that episode and see how I handle it.....
Fair enough, deal.
But in regards of the SW rules, while some are good on paper, the hole thing together is clunky, counter intuitive (You lose the Grey slayer's Warrior's mettle if a character joins them and at the same time you are forced to have more characters, granted, cheap power weapons, but you paid for a useless skill) , unimaginative, poorly costed (Varangyr, the Deathsworn, Rune priest its the same cost as a librarian but has -1 I for no reason, etc.) and stupidly restricted in the army building section, and i'm not talking about the ROW, they are more restrictive and some pretty bad (they are optional, so yeah).
Marc There's a whole video he's done outlining how to beat 1k sons.
"Kill their Warlord"....... Its not that easy, specially if the enemy knows his weakens. It's not that of blow. Don't get my wrong, it is. But still, army wide pinning + no sweeping advances... its kinda meh.
If "kill the enemy Warlord" its the best tactics you can do, it can be easy counter play (try too snipe a Magnus surrounded with his sekhement before he wipes you sorry as with the D hahaha). Oh and "be a Word Bearer and play a quite meh ROW (granted, very good in this much-up).
If you want to say it's hard to kill Magnus and Sekhmet, I'd point out that it's no easier than killing Vulkan and Firedrakes, Horus and Justaerin, Lorgar and Gal Vorbak, Guilliman and Invictus Suzerin etc.
But Thousand Sons characters if you're REALLY afraid of them, take a squad of sisters with grenade launchers, they will kill even a Psi-Warlord Titan in one turn, or use the Word Bearers Rite of War where all doubles are perils of the warp.... there's a few nasty tricks you can use. Of course, a lot of this comes down to the player you're facing, nobody has ever EVER complained about how I field my Thousand Sons because I don't make douche-lists. Also, you can find ways of exploiting their cults, and if you can drain warp-charge, especially by killing HQ's they're in for a hard time.
YES, FINALLY. Now on to the really important question - when will we cover the Sisters of Silence?
Probably after I've done Knightly households, which is after Solar, Militia, Mechanicum
I look forward to all of them! Also, btw, I think Bligh (rip) mentioned that the restrictions on Space Wolves means that they cannot take certain ROW's. One interesting case in my opinion (that also demonstrates how fucking complicated the rules are) is that Russ makes veteran tactical squads and Varagyr squads troops, though I am not sure whether they can be taken as "compulsory" troops choices. This sort of layers in a really weird way with "ultra compulsory" grey slayers, the primarch's chosen ROW, and so on.
Yes, I didn't mention that problem as it's related to the Primarch and certain Rites of War, both of which are beyond the scope of 'getting started'.
When I went through the 1d4chan on the 30k legion list they name something call "Army of Dark Compliance" are you going to cover them as well?
Yes, after Militia most likely because then people will know both them and the Legions.
I came a bit late for burning of prospero and a lot of what I'm seeing on ebay looks a bit suspect. Also any chance (and you may have already done this) for a cross walk of 30K models to not obvious 40K versions? e.g. grey slayers close combat squads, what are they in 40K? Blood claws seem the closest but not really.
Hi, Im not too good identifying armor, it is Lukas valid to use as it is, in Heresy?
I would like to add russ if he is your armour may the space wolves terminator compulsory troop so that how you take pride of the legion
Hey Macca with this list having two heavy supports I take it you would not be using the Pale Hunters ROW? With that said which ROW would you run?
I’m surprised by how many of the legion symbols on the decal sheet face rightward. Isn’t that backwards on shoulder pads?
Neat.
Funny enough, I put helmets on all my space wolves. I'm weird though.
I decided to play wolves because it would be something different than my alpha legion. Then book 7 came out and we got the mess that it is. I run the rite of war Armored Breakthrough which odd when you consider rules. Luckily my play group plays for fun are not complete rule sticklers. Basically I have to run 2 squads of gray slayers and 2 predators, and i take a hq per 1000 points even if it takes me over the my legal amount of allowed HQs. We treat them like the old 3rd edition codex. FW really dropped ball i feel with the 7th ed book, maybe something to do with the death of Alan? Oh and yea that banana fur and upside down boltgun is the worst thing ever.
Question, in this series, will and when will the Deathwatch be covered? Or do I just have my lore backwards, and it doesn't exist yet in 30k?
There is no Deathwatch yet. The legions killed Xenos just fine on their own back then. As in, exterminated almost the entire galaxy over the course of the Crusade.
another reason to motar the living hell out of people
AOOOOoouuu!
So if you use 1 force chart and say play a 4k or 5k battle. You disregard the standard 1 to 3 hq slots and just go off the points as per 1k per hq. But the rest of the force chart stay the same. As well say you play a 2500pts game you have to round the points up to 3k for purpose for hqs. So you would have to take 3hqs then. For a 2500pts game and so forth.
But there is no FAQ on that, you can't just change the Force Org chart to suit, for example if you 'must have more heavy than fast attack' in an army, you can't just add more heavy slots in order to fill out your Fast. Realistically it's in dire need of an FAQ, but then, so much of book VII is in need of said FAQ......
Its the same rule in the original space wolfs codex. Except the original was 750pts instead of 1000pts. So stands to reason it would play out the same way as it was FAQ in that codex
Stands to reason and common sense are not phrases that autistic players know. You know 'that guy' is out there.
Doesn’t “regardless of the force organization chart” cover it? You ignore the 3 HQ limit and keep piling on the Praetors...
There are other FOC's such as the Zone Mortalis ones, which there are three of, and the 30k main ones, aka normal, Leviathan, Castellan, etc.
Macca, noob here; question please. Do you recommend acquiring Breacher Squads. for Zone Mortalis..? ~ Will
Yes. Especially if they are Thousand Sons, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands.
Thank you sir.
Yes!! Thank you for this vid. Seriously looking into starting my first 30k army. ...Would u recommend space wolves or salamanders? Those are my two favorite chapters...
I can't tell you the answer, you have to pick what you like.
The Outer Circle thank you for reply! When they get rid of the banana coats I’m definitely going Space Wolves first!!
FINALLY
Are you going to cover armies other than legions?
Yes, as soon as the Legions are done I'll keep on going.
So is the forge world recon squad worth getting?
It is, but as it's a 'non-compulsory' troop, it's not really helpful for a force when you're just starting out.
Fuck how does forge world fuck something up rules wise as easy as space wolf force organization?
Good lord those SW sculpts are horrendous.
FINALLY!!!!
You spelt Gaylord furries wrong
Space wolves SUCK! Lion all the way (: